@@brianbrian4016 Very true. It would be suicide for Voyager to try to destroy the Voth ship with them still inside. With the Voth taking down their primary and secondary power systems so quickly, Janeway and her crew wouldn't have time to come up with a plan B that would destroy the Voth ship and keep Voyager intact.
Some of my favorite episodes are the ones where they encounter races that are WAY more advanced and outmatch anything Starfleet ever came up with. Kinda hope the Voth return in one of the new series in some form.
@@Javier-rm6ql I _wanted_ to like Discovery, but it seems purposely designed to suck all the soul from the original Star Trek spirit. Too dark, too depressing, no hope, & even the lighting is made to look dim & uninspiring. 'Living Dead Guy' Productions indeed. With fans of Star Wars, The Marvel/DC Universe, and other classic franchises basically echoing the same issues, it's hard not to think Hollywood is doing it deliberately.
@john smith the ships in Star Trek aren't reliant on being armored for dealing with debris or weapons fire. That's what they have the Deflector, the Warp Field and the Shield for. It would make perfect sense not to specifically bother with armoring the hull at all, but rather using materials that offer other properties, such as being easy to replicate or manufacture, possibly being lightweight and offering other properties such as low conductivity, radiation resistance etc. The ships are probably made mostly of plastics, ceramics and specific lightweight alloys.
The best thing about this episode is it subverted expectations. You expected Tom Paris to blow a hole in the side of the city ship with the torpedo over ridge, you expected Chakotay to make a speech and for the Voth to consider the lineage and you expected Voyager to find some last minute way out of the situation. All of these expectations were proven false, for once Voyager was totally at the mercy of a technologically superior race and only by doing something human like the scientist falling into line saved them.
@@waltersumofan I don't think having Space Dinosaur Galileo join the crew would have solved anything. Leaving your people behind just because they can't see the forest for the trees due to fears that the truth will threaten their power is a very poor message. Better to stay in the hopes that your theories someday reach more open minds than to leave and take your knowledge with you so that no one will _ever_ benefit.
@@danielyeshe in a way its fitting. I mean after all to them, primitive space monkeys who still can't comprehend how to phase partial in and out of the space time continuum, really can offer one thing - the different technologies the voth may have missed during their ascend.
At least the Klingons still carry Bat'leths. In Star Trek: First Contact, phasers were completely useless against the Borg but Worf was able to kill them with just the rifle-butt.
Except that the phaser is not meant as a weapon of war like the p90 or terror like the staff. It was used as defense or when absolutely necessary. While I admit a projectile weapon would be useful in these situations, they didn't happen that often and would probably just be a waste of space otherwise. You could say these weapons could be replicated, however usually it is too late like this situation, nearly everything was inaccessible.
@@guyincognito7308 I guess that's because they tested that beore the Voth ship appeared... And I guess the power source from that cloak was a part of the cloaking device.
At this stage of the game, the Borg have assimilated so much knowledge that adapting to the Voth would not be difficult at first, but they would eventually do it.
Voth: “There is nothing wrong with your vessel. Do not attempt to adjust the controls. We are controlling your ship. If we wish to make it faster, we will bring up the warp drive. If we wish to make it slower, we will put it into impulse drive. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the transporter, make it flutter. We can change reality to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: There is nothing wrong with your vessel. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to... The Outer Quadrant.”
Even crazier, afterwards the EMH program would be left all alone (again!) to retake Voyager. Then recalibrate himself to be the *permanent* Emergency Command Holoprogram.
Amazing, they come across this race that can shut down all power on their ship, and their first response? grab weapons that use precisely the same technology as the stuff in your ship.
The weapons probably were design to shield against power dampening shields. It was mention in DS9 in the find the murderer episode where the assault rival design was abandoned because of progress in shielding energy weapons from dampening fields.
They didn’t shut down all power on the ship, there were still lights and computer systems running. It’s not unreasonable to think your shielded weapons would work.
Imagine the Borg:"You will be assimilated!" ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiipppppppppppppppppp Borg:"Yikes. Looks like we have been assimilated!"
I loved the premise of this episode. One of the best of the early Voyager episodes. The Voth were a missed opportunity. They could have been the Dominion for this series, instead we saw the Borg get watered down due to plot armor.
They kind of did that in STO. But that isn't in the same cannon as the show here. Makes you wonder why they never saw any of the Voth again. Given their technology, you'd think they'd have a presence all over the Delta Quadrant. But I guess the budget was limited, they'd already set up the Borg a few episodes earlier and were spending money for the Borg set peices....which they go their moneys worth from. The borg were the flavour of the decade in 90s Trek. Fans wanted Borg, the movie First Contact was out and it seemed a better bet to focus on a species already established as "scary" But. In retrospect, we have hindsight of years to look back and ask why they didn't use the Voth more. Why didn't they do this or that. They just had to appease the board at paramount and get more sex appeal and viewers...whu g equaled money.
@@Tylerpierre99 There have been other times as well in Star Trek where we saw really advanced species that, so far as I remember, are never heard of again. One was the Organians in TOS. One was the hermit species the TNG Enterprise encountered in which only Data ends up with a memories of them, as they erase everyone else's memories. And the Cytherians I think they were called in that episode when Barclay becomes really smart. So far as I know, not another word on any of those.
Gee, I wonder where this episode is going from here. Since Tom Paris evaded capture, I bet that little cloaking device thing he was playing with just might play a role in their escape.
A construct by Einstein, The current view we have of our section of the multiverse. Both space and time are united. They both are bendable. Which is kinda interesting. Every decision we make, every action we take is frozen in time. If we could step out of that timeline we could see every event in stop motion. Also every decision we don't make IS also. Which is kinda neat from a theological stance.
@@brucewelty7684 There is no such thing as a "multiverse" scientifically. That is just a cheap sci fi term for writers that can't maintain a continuity.
Distant Origin was one of the few really well written episodes of the Voyager series. I really liked how they made it clear and obvious that the dinosaurs didn't speak English unlike with all the other aliens they encountered and how primitive humans were compared to the Voth.
I always envisioned an episode of them saving or helping Earth when the Borg invade or something like that well i guess they never thought of that idea oh well
truthhurts101 not sure what you mean by that. If you mean ship size Star Wars has way bigger ships. Hell darth Vader a flag ship is literally twice the size of this voth ship voth ship in this video=citadel class dreadnought AKA voth city ship which is a little over 8km long. Vaders flag ship=executor class super star destroyer which was 19km long.
@Hazardous An actual Voth City Ship is the size of Ireland. Another example of a monumentally vast vessel/structure from Star Trek is the Iconian/Solenae Dyson Spheres, which can teleport to other Galaxies. They are so big the inner surface of their spherical hull contains land and sea equivalent to 250 million Earth's. Actual numbers given in-setting. Also, Star Wars technology levels are vastly lower than Star Trek's, with the exception of AI and the fact that Star Wars uses Hyper-Lane Travel, rather than FTL, which is a lot faster, but requires mapped lanes. In Star Trek, the Hyper-Space equivalent travel is called Underspace and was used by the Vaadwuar to make lightning fast strikes on their enemies, further adding credence to how much faster Hyper-Space travel is.
V-GER and the Whale Probe were MASSIVE. Even Star Destroyers would be dwarfed by them. Not to mention the Dyson Sphere encountered in TNG Season 6. Granted the latter couldn't necessarily be counted as a ship, it would still dwarf even the Death Star.
@@hazardous8301 The Voth ship is much bigger than the Executer. The Executer is longer but it's not as wide and it's flat compared to the voth city ship. Also, the Voth schip is tiny compared to the Dyson Sphere or the Doomsday machine.
@@alphanerd7221 lol this comment shows how little research you do. The Doomsday machine is less then half the size of the voth city ship at only 2,700 meters long. That’s barely bigger then a standard Imperial II Star destroyer 😂. As for your nonsense about the both city ship, it’s literally HALF the length of the Executor. The executor also has the same length to height ratio as the City ship. I will give you that voth city ship has a larger width to length ratio then the Executor, but you’re absolutely delusional if you think that one ship having a wider width to length ratio makes it over all even comparable to a ship twice it’s length, when both ships are longer then they are wide. I’ll give you the Dyson sphere. But stuff like the Dyson spheres, is more of the exception then the reality, given that as I’ve already proven with the whole doomsday machine issue, even ships considered massive in the Star Trek universe, are pretty standard size for Star Wars capital ships.
Yeah. After Star Trek: First Contact (where phasers were useless but bullets from a Tommy gun can shoot through Borg force-fields), you'd think that Starfleet would start equipping their more primitive weapons like AK-47s or Tommy guns just in case. At least the Klingons carry Bat'leth's aboard their ship.
geonerd I seem to recall an episode of Babylon 5 where Mr. Garibaldi had an old revolver that came in very handy. Though I don't recall the situation. Perhaps it was in a place where the phased plasma gun would be detected.
Tanuki Man he used the bullets via bake off in the hidden floor to take out an alien that was used by a cult to kill people. Not remember him ever actually using a revolver.
Despite how mind-bogglingly advanced the Voth appear to be, the Federation was probably still catching up to them technologically. Remember, if they left Earth millions of years ago, then that means they had that much time to get to where they are now. I can see Starfleet matching them in maybe a century or two.
makes me wonder, if we can build aircraft that can carry huge warships, and land in open ocean, that makes the aircraft carriers look like childs play.
Everyone says 'if only they had old-fashined firearms'. I'm sorry, but would that just have gotten them killed? I'm no fan of surrender and there are cases where going down fighting is the only option left, but in this case, when you are so hopelessly outmatched and the opposite side clearly wants something from you, why risk it?...What was Janeway's plan in case that rifle had worked? 'Oops, I thought this wouldn't work. Can we still talk about you teleporting my ship back out of your huge dreadnought, which probably also has more firepower and shields and faster engines? No?'. It was a gut decision, and a logical one (Tuvok fired too!) but as the viewer, I got to say, this would have been Voyager's last mission had that rifle worked.
Yes the thing with phasers is they can put it on 'stun' mode - if it had worked the Voth wouldn't have minded so much that a fellow brethren was knocked out for a few hours. But if one of them actually killed then under Doctrine I wonder what the punishment would be...
To be fair they have had millions of years to advance their society. The borg only became the borg about 1000 years ago. In a million years the borg would be more advanced.
@@alphanerd7221 The way the Borg operates they are more likely to be aggressive against a superior target and only ignore the inferior species with nothing to add. Still, they'd probably first use a tactical sphere to gain Intel and capture individuals in smaller ships before approaching the city ships. If they assimilated enough individuals with basic knowledge of their technology it could prepare them for a full assault.
@Koowluh The Voth are one of the most advanced races in Star Trek, it seems inconceivable the Borg didnt know about them. They've assimilated hundreds of species in the delta quadrant and not one ran into the Voth? Seems impossible.
on top of all the technology, the Voth could have the equivalent of a futuristic SWAT team in bullet proof, unpierceable suits, shields, etc. And just gas, or electrocute everyone or overwhelm them in SO MANY ways (one GREAT example: turn the gravity generator up so high your opponent can't even move). As their technology would have surpassed humans centuries ago.
This is why you have replicated melee/projectile weapons in a cargo bay. Voth: "We have rendered your technology worthless" Janeway: "My Vulcan doesn't care" Tuvok: "Capta..." Janeway, spooling up minigun: "Not you." Voth: *concerned beaming off ship*
Fuzzy Duo From what I can tell, no Voth tech seems to be wielded by the Borg. I'd say there's a fair chance that they are currently unaware of each other. I would LOVE to see that first contact.
Yeager123123 plus Star Trek online and you can. It takes place around 30 years after voyager and picks up the storyline. It a fully sanctioned game and at its current story arc it's already felt with the iconians. Before that however the borg voth and undine were the main enemies. They all hated each other and were always at each other's throats but for the most part the voth were the most dominant of the 3.
Line up in the kitchen...Neelix hands out knives! And forks...spoons for late comers. Seriously, in the age of energy shields, a bayonet is king it seems. Or a bat'leth.
Not seen in this particular clip, I like how that one Voth officer (later in the episode) just smirks and shrugs at one of the threats of the Voyager crew. 🤣
For all those advocating for projectile weapons remember, this is a 24th century ship. In those days it was all about shields and structural integrity fields, the hulls might as well be made of paper. I wouldn't feel safe firing any projectile weapon in that.
Aliens from Independence Day: You have to watch it with these humans, they can ruin your whole fleet with just a Mac book and a line of code. Voth: That's cute.
Them having a shield is not established. And tho I agree with Darqe, they really would have taken the ship and it's neural technology apart. We also don't know what the walls are made of, you could shoot a .308 from one end of the ship to the other! Or it could just bounce rounds all over that 10' hallway like a pinball game and be murder for everyone. :D It's also safe to say that people with that much of advantage could have had them dead without boarding.
It's all so 20th century infantry combat with better guns and nothing else. There were those aerial combat drones in that TNG episode and they could easily fire widespread beams in all directions. They could beam a few around each crew member even. Paradigm shifting technology and all.
Or the TR-116 rifle armed with bullets (used on Deep Space Nine), Klingon Bat'leths or Picard with a Tommy Gun. I mean heck, a sharpened broomstick or plank would also be more useful against the Voth and Borg than phasers.
This is a tremendous achievement for us - in our entertainment no less, that we decide to use it to imagine a civilization far superior to ours and see beyond our own culture, and recognize in it our own positive and negative attributes. As a Catholic I fully appreciate this episode's indictment of how the Catholic Church handled the Galileo Galilei case, which was outside the authority its own teachings give it(it has no legitimate political or civil authority to punish even an errant scientist or a deceiver, and no faithful Catholic could defend its secular actions, such as military incursions and civil/political interference). While it assumes the single-source theory of evolution, fiction is free to imagine many things, reasonable and unreasonable - what was important about the episode was the relationship among truth, power, and well-being, and the playing out of these elements both rings true, and speaks for itself. I know people will count this a not-so-great episode of Voyager and the current generation will not appreciate it except as an elevated form of ammunition for anti-religious sentiment, I couldn't care less that most of it was people standing around and talking, because of what they were talking about. If there was more time, maybe there could have been more action to demonstrate the discussion, but you only have 45 minutes a week, and why can't it be a shootout one week and a philosophical debate the next, and a combination of both throughout?
The problem is I find it difficult to accept that a race that holds to doctrine so rigidly and is so resistant to new ideas and endeavors could ever have achieved their level of technological development. You're telling me they can make this tech but they don't have the collective maturity as a species to accept that they originate from Earth, and their sense of identity is so fragile that accepting they are related to mammals would destroy it? It just doesn't make sense. How much do you think we could have evolved if we allowed the Church and other religious groups to continue persecuting scientists instead of telling them where to stick it and minding our scientific business? My bet is, not much. It's difficult to make advancements when you're worried that the next idea you propose might get you burned at the stake by religious authorities that don't know their proper place and insist on keeping everyone ignorant and even constantly in danger of dying of some infectious disease if it means their precious little doctrines won't be challenged.
@@carmensavu5122 that's the anti-religious sentiment I'm talking about. You've been indoctrinated. The Church was the repository of scientific knowledge and logical investigation. People in the Church were the scientists who studied and developed our current theories. I recommend you check out the episode of South Park that sends Cartman to an atheistic future, only to find out that conflict and authoritarianism are a symptom of human nature, not of religion.
Basic solid propellant firearms or melee weapons should be by this time a standard cache in weapons lockers on all starships. When reports like this come back to Starfleet head quarters and after action reports are read and discussed, these types of things should be implemented.
Would have been good to have seen a Voth mothership... 65 million years of evolution must have produced Billions by the 24th century even if they had a one child policy!
this is why if i were a captain i d keep a full supply of good ole fire arms and melee weapons on board and make sure the crew had regular training with them,
I will never understand why Captain Janeway at the end of this episode didn't ask the Voth if they could give Voyager a ride home being their ship was inside of a ship capable of traveling at trans warp speed? I mean it's like can you at least help us out here?
What makes you think they would've helped in any way. The Queen-like old lady told Chakotay in kind words that she never wants to see of them again. Ticking her off she may have hurled Voyager in a transwarp tunnel in the opposite direction of their path to Earth. She was pretty vindictive and had exhausted her tolerance of humans.
"This device pushes the object out of phase!" "A cloaking device!" .......uhhhhmmm...... more like a subspace field? I thought _the wunderkind helmsman of Starfleet_ would know the difference between cloaking and subspace displacement!
Never understood why there couldn't be at least a few M16's and/or AR15's available for High Ranking Starfleet Security Officers for the rare situations such as this when the Phasers became useless. I get that it's all about the Technology but I remember thinking about this in my early teens seeing the BORG for the 1st time watching TNG. Finally in the Movie Picard used a Tommy Gun against the BORG proving that bullets are better sometimes, but I guess it's beneath Starfleet to use ancient artillery like that even if it can still get the job done. I know if I was a Captain or in Security I'd have a few guns replicated & ready for those just in case moments lol
The Voth weren't they the dino people that left Earth when that comet was coming and decided to colonize another planet doesn't seem to make sense that they would travel so far from earth.
It's speculated/implied the City Ships were created by their ancestors as Ark ships to carry their people to a new home. I don't think we know why they went so far.
I thought about this episode during the 2016 election. Tom Hanks was interviewed and said something along the lines of Donald Trump won't be president until Dinosaurs fly down in spaceships wearing red capes. I immediately thought of this episode. So, I did a simple video edit of him saying that then put in the scene of the voth ship flying in and then jumped to the elder dinosaur lady wearing the red cloak saying "Now, we shall proceed". I'm not the best editor but I thought it was funny, in my little world it was anyways. I never uploaded it anywhere, I don't even know where it is now.
I've always wanted to see Star Trek Online follow this arc. Here is how I envision it. Your doing something on Earth, when suddenly a Worm-Hole opens in orbit. This is amazing because holy shit a Worm-Hole. From it, a damaged Voth fleet emerges, asking for help. Before you can properly respond, more Voth ships come through and open fire on the first group of ships, it's Voth vs Voth. After a battle, more Voth ships come through, but they too are damaged, but they belong to the faction the second group belonged to. Then, Borg ships start emerging from the Worm-Hole. You team up with the Voth to fight off these Borg and are told about a civil war taking place amongst the Voth. The Voth Empress decided to reveal the truth to the citizens, that they hail from Earth. This caused quite a bit of confusion, but was eventually accepted by the majority of citizens, and plans for a pilgrimage to Earth began. However, the Inquisition did not like this, and tried to depose the Empress, created two warring factions, as the Inquisition tried to quash all ideas of them originating from Earth. However, the Voth millitrary leader accepted that they came from Earth, but he did not want a peaceful pilgrimage, he instead wanted to conquer the Earth, and a third faction was created. When you travel through the Worm-Hole you find a planet under siege. Voth loyalists(who embrace the truth and wish peaceful pilgrimage), defend a new capital they were kicked to by the Inquisition, from the invading Inquisition, which was itself blind-sided by opportunistic Borg, who have decided to attack their ancient enemies - The Voth. So now this world is clamped between two hostile factions in the Voth Inquisition and The Borg. This planet would become a Space and Ground Warzone for players to take part in. The Worm-Hole created was a test for a new technology developed by the Voth Loyalists , which the other factions try to capture. They close the Earth Worm-Hole and open a new one in a different location, since Voth and Borg pouring into Earth space is really bad.
Instead of Nemesis have the Picard arc a Voth mother ship returning home would have been an awesome storyline... Especially if they found that Earth was too over crowded and decided to Terraform Venus!
Kevin Howard what about all the technology. I was thinking how amazing their transporters are. Star Fleet can beam people, the Voth can beam ships. There isn't a number to count all the atoms that need to be kept track of so that you can put the ship back together
"we've been beamed inside the ship"
"Excellent, fire in all directions"
"we've been beamed inside the ship"
She should be like:"what? not again"
Time for disco lights and Saturday night fever. XD
Kim: "Uh... Captain, weapons are off-line."
Janeway: "And this is why you'll always be an Ensign."
Cannot do that. Weapons are disabled and even if they were online, at close proximity, both ships would go down.
@@brianbrian4016 Very true. It would be suicide for Voyager to try to destroy the Voth ship with them still inside. With the Voth taking down their primary and secondary power systems so quickly, Janeway and her crew wouldn't have time to come up with a plan B that would destroy the Voth ship and keep Voyager intact.
Some of my favorite episodes are the ones where they encounter races that are WAY more advanced and outmatch anything Starfleet ever came up with. Kinda hope the Voth return in one of the new series in some form.
I hope not. The new series are horrible.
@@Javier-rm6ql I _wanted_ to like Discovery, but it seems purposely designed to suck all the soul from the original Star Trek spirit. Too dark, too depressing, no hope, & even the lighting is made to look dim & uninspiring. 'Living Dead Guy' Productions indeed. With fans of Star Wars, The Marvel/DC Universe, and other classic franchises basically echoing the same issues, it's hard not to think Hollywood is doing it deliberately.
@@Javier-rm6ql SNW and Picard are probably THE best Trek I have EVER watched , you need to get a life and stop being a stick in the mud .
A few P90s would've been perfect here.
Jaffa KRE
The Voth would simply beam the bullets out of the magazine.
P90s would make a mess of the hull of the ship. It's like using a P90 on a submarine. Not exactly a good idea.
@@Ananamitron Assuming they knew to do so, High tech alien Hubris is a classic plot point that it seems the Voth would fall prey too.
@john smith the ships in Star Trek aren't reliant on being armored for dealing with debris or weapons fire.
That's what they have the Deflector, the Warp Field and the Shield for. It would make perfect sense not to specifically bother with armoring the hull at all, but rather using materials that offer other properties, such as being easy to replicate or manufacture, possibly being lightweight and offering other properties such as low conductivity, radiation resistance etc.
The ships are probably made mostly of plastics, ceramics and specific lightweight alloys.
The best thing about this episode is it subverted expectations. You expected Tom Paris to blow a hole in the side of the city ship with the torpedo over ridge, you expected Chakotay to make a speech and for the Voth to consider the lineage and you expected Voyager to find some last minute way out of the situation. All of these expectations were proven false, for once Voyager was totally at the mercy of a technologically superior race and only by doing something human like the scientist falling into line saved them.
unfortunately it was a cheap ending that robbed the series of a new crewmember and made the Voth a one off character rather than a recurring species.
@@waltersumofan I don't think having Space Dinosaur Galileo join the crew would have solved anything. Leaving your people behind just because they can't see the forest for the trees due to fears that the truth will threaten their power is a very poor message. Better to stay in the hopes that your theories someday reach more open minds than to leave and take your knowledge with you so that no one will _ever_ benefit.
One of the most awesome races in the entire series. One race I wish would play a far bigger role in Star Trek!
They really should have been more than just bad guy of the week!
Check out Star Trek Online.
@@danielyeshe in a way its fitting. I mean after all to them, primitive space monkeys who still can't comprehend how to phase partial in and out of the space time continuum, really can offer one thing - the different technologies the voth may have missed during their ascend.
This is why Projectile weaponry is still a good option.
At least the Klingons still carry Bat'leths.
In Star Trek: First Contact, phasers were completely useless against the Borg but Worf was able to kill them with just the rifle-butt.
JTN Yep if that kills a Borg drone just think what an anti-material rifle could do?
exactly a point Stargate made
Except that the phaser is not meant as a weapon of war like the p90 or terror like the staff. It was used as defense or when absolutely necessary. While I admit a projectile weapon would be useful in these situations, they didn't happen that often and would probably just be a waste of space otherwise. You could say these weapons could be replicated, however usually it is too late like this situation, nearly everything was inaccessible.
High Guard Force Lance, best option for ranged and close quarter combat
I mean, they deadass transported the WHOLE SHIP into their hangar like it was some chunk of space debris. The Voth were centuries ahead in technology
makes you wonder what would happen if the Voth and the Borg went at it
@@mikeb6902 , the Voth and Borg were in the same quadrant, so it stands to reason that the Borg avoided the Voth.
Eons ahead.
@@mikeb6902 The Borg would be like Bees to the Voth.
@FlyingMonkies325 No species that ever warred with a bipedal species could stand up to the Voth for so much as a second.
You would have thought that, after the Borg, Starfleet would have invested in some old fashioned guns.
Shooting a bullet inside a space ship is usually a bad idea. You don't want it going through a bulkhead
Since a phaser doesnt do that I doubt a bullet would. Even if it did they have emergency force fields.
phoenix1985
Phasers arent often shown to punch a hole through things. Put a bigass burn wound on their chest, but not pierce.
They can disintegrate things. I call that a bit more than punching a hole.
They could just replicate them. The technology should be no problem... we can 3D print guns already.
I loved this episode and the Voth. I wish they'd done more with them.
Gravity never goes out when all the power is drained!
Would've been a nightmare to set that up all the time but it would've been nice to see a few times.
The Voth dampens power across all systems on Voyager. Artificial gravity somehow remains active.
while the tricorders didn't work either so how did Tom maintain the power for the cloak?
@@trl2151but voyager power was..the tricorders and phasers won't work without the computer...just like TNG where Rasmusen found that out...
One can assume the Voth maintain artificial gravity on the ship so they can board it.
Probably because of the voth ship.
@@guyincognito7308 I guess that's because they tested that beore the Voth ship appeared...
And I guess the power source from that cloak was a part of the cloaking device.
And I thought Borg cubes were big and intimidating! The Voth must view the Borg like mechanized insects to be squashed if they get in the way!
Pretty much.
Voth Vs Borg , now that would be an epic movie
At this stage of the game, the Borg have assimilated so much knowledge that adapting to the Voth would not be difficult at first, but they would eventually do it.
Its happen in the books before Borg don't fair so well.
@@RealBadGaming52 Voth vs Borg vs Species 8472 battle happens in Star Trek Online ;)
Well, now I have to watch the rest of the episode.
A Dominion-Voth war would be interesting. Despite Changelings, I think the Voth would utterly wreck them.
If the federation could contend with the Dominion don't think the Voth would have any issues.
@@JBatJJ it looks like the voth is more advance than the Borg ... Even Borg couldn't take down voyager that easily
@@badboy-gn8futhat’s because the federation knows how to handle the borg after many encounters, they just encountered the voth for the first time
Voth: “There is nothing wrong with your vessel. Do not attempt to adjust the controls. We are controlling your ship. If we wish to make it faster, we will bring up the warp drive. If we wish to make it slower, we will put it into impulse drive. We will control the horizontal. We will control the vertical. We can roll the transporter, make it flutter. We can change reality to a soft blur, or sharpen it to crystal clarity. For the next hour, sit quietly and we will control all that you see and hear. We repeat: There is nothing wrong with your vessel. You are about to participate in a great adventure. You are about to experience the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to... The Outer Quadrant.”
Hey i recognise that song ;)
The Outer Limits...
Wouldn't it be crazy if they only beamed the ship and left the crew in space. Hell of an easy way to take a ship.
That's like a aircraft carrier captain killing a crew just to take a wooden row boat.
Well, maybe the carrier captain really wanted a boat to go fishing with the kids on the weekend...
@@absboodoo xD
If the wooden boat has the only replicator in the delta quadrant on it, you'd totally do it.
Even crazier, afterwards the EMH program would be left all alone (again!) to retake Voyager.
Then recalibrate himself to be the
*permanent* Emergency Command Holoprogram.
One of my favourite episodes of Voyager.
What is the season and episode?
Distant origin in season 3
@@troyterry6919 A classic episode.
Where's a Klingon with a Bat'leth when you need one?
Or Picard with a Tommy gun.
nah, a Kirk with plain fist fighting is enough :)
Ah, the famous Kirk Jump Kick....
Knocks down both your opponent, *and* yourself, completely negating its effectiveness....
Don't forget, there are two Vulcans and neither is carrying a lirpa. Don't even get me started on a shipful of humans with no longsword or katana.
Or crazy Asian with a sword.
It seems that the Voth got their ships at the same store as the Spaceballs...
And MEGA MAIDE armed with...
VAC-
U-
SUUUUUCCCCCKKKKKK!!!!!
(All together now)
suck
Suck
SUUCCKK!!!!
"We break for nobody"
We brake for no mammal.
She's gone from suck to blow!
Am i the only crew member when the voth take over who wudda just hunkered in my quarters with a bottle of wine and a good book?
Amazing, they come across this race that can shut down all power on their ship, and their first response? grab weapons that use precisely the same technology as the stuff in your ship.
We come in peace - shoot to kill
The weapons probably were design to shield against power dampening shields. It was mention in DS9 in the find the murderer episode where the assault rival design was abandoned because of progress in shielding energy weapons from dampening fields.
They didn’t shut down all power on the ship, there were still lights and computer systems running. It’s not unreasonable to think your shielded weapons would work.
@@Milamberinx Life Support as well.
@FlyingMonkies325 I’m afraid Voyager didn’t know about the Dominion War at this point.
Imagine the Borg:"You will be assimilated!"
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Borg:"Yikes. Looks like we have been assimilated!"
The Borg are a done for race by 27th century earth ships all have anti borg wepons. Plus the Borg themselves turn from foe to freind
@@peterevans3504 Says who?
I loved the premise of this episode. One of the best of the early Voyager episodes. The Voth were a missed opportunity. They could have been the Dominion for this series, instead we saw the Borg get watered down due to plot armor.
They kind of did that in STO. But that isn't in the same cannon as the show here.
Makes you wonder why they never saw any of the Voth again. Given their technology, you'd think they'd have a presence all over the Delta Quadrant.
But I guess the budget was limited, they'd already set up the Borg a few episodes earlier and were spending money for the Borg set peices....which they go their moneys worth from.
The borg were the flavour of the decade in 90s Trek. Fans wanted Borg, the movie First Contact was out and it seemed a better bet to focus on a species already established as "scary"
But. In retrospect, we have hindsight of years to look back and ask why they didn't use the Voth more. Why didn't they do this or that. They just had to appease the board at paramount and get more sex appeal and viewers...whu g equaled money.
@@Tylerpierre99 There have been other times as well in Star Trek where we saw really advanced species that, so far as I remember, are never heard of again. One was the Organians in TOS. One was the hermit species the TNG Enterprise encountered in which only Data ends up with a memories of them, as they erase everyone else's memories. And the Cytherians I think they were called in that episode when Barclay becomes really smart. So far as I know, not another word on any of those.
They were the first space fearing race! One of my favourite episodes 👍🏽 Distant Origins.
"Sorry Tuvok the dampening field is effecting my fists and boots, i'll just jump in this Jefferies Tube."
I would have LOVED to have seen an expanded story about this race. They are thousands of years ahead of starfleet and the borg. So good!
Millions, not thousands.
Go play Star Trek Online then, their lore is expanded upon.
Gee, I wonder where this episode is going from here. Since Tom Paris evaded capture, I bet that little cloaking device thing he was playing with just might play a role in their escape.
Where's the stone knives and bear-skins when you *really* need them....
After all these years I still don't know what the space-time continuum is but it sounds good every time they say it with deadserious faces
A construct by Einstein, The current view we have of our section of the multiverse. Both space and time are united. They both are bendable. Which is kinda interesting. Every decision we make, every action we take is frozen in time. If we could step out of that timeline we could see every event in stop motion. Also every decision we don't make IS also. Which is kinda neat from a theological stance.
It means all matter and energy, like a more scientific way of saying "all creation."
@@brucewelty7684 There is no such thing as a "multiverse" scientifically. That is just a cheap sci fi term for writers that can't maintain a continuity.
Damn that apple looked good!
Paris is fanning Tuvok heavy with that phaser.
Must have attended the Alec Baldwin School of Weapons Safety.
I liked the irony of the episode, two species that originate from the same planet fighting
“Primitive humans!” say the Voth!😮 Humans: “Primitive dinosaurs!”😂
A civilization so advanced they can turn off your technology would likely be able to detect primitive guns and just beam them out.
Oh if Hollywood had actually been that advanced.
Unless...
They forgot about primitive weaponry
In Doctor the Sontarans stop guns by melting the bullets in the guns.
@@danielyeshe what if they don't use a projectile?
@@lordorion5776 What else might they use?
Distant Origin was one of the few really well written episodes of the Voyager series. I really liked how they made it clear and obvious that the dinosaurs didn't speak English unlike with all the other aliens they encountered and how primitive humans were compared to the Voth.
I love the Voth!🙂 The Borg wishes that they would have this kind of technology 😋
a personal cloaking device ....
.... more advanced than any cloaking device that I've ever seen.
(now THAT is saying something)
It's probably similar to the experiment from the Pegasus, definitely more advanced than your average lieutenant would have seen.
Imagine if the hold of the Voth ship had been a giant junkyard littered with broken Birds of Prey and scrapped Borg cubes! An opportunity missed.
I always envisioned an episode of them saving or helping Earth when the Borg invade or something like that well i guess they never thought of that idea oh well
That's what I love about 'Trek. They think in very big terms!
truthhurts101 not sure what you mean by that. If you mean ship size Star Wars has way bigger ships. Hell darth Vader a flag ship is literally twice the size of this voth ship voth ship in this video=citadel class dreadnought AKA voth city ship which is a little over 8km long. Vaders flag ship=executor class super star destroyer which was 19km long.
@Hazardous
An actual Voth City Ship is the size of Ireland.
Another example of a monumentally vast vessel/structure from Star Trek is the Iconian/Solenae Dyson Spheres, which can teleport to other Galaxies. They are so big the inner surface of their spherical hull contains land and sea equivalent to 250 million Earth's. Actual numbers given in-setting.
Also, Star Wars technology levels are vastly lower than Star Trek's, with the exception of AI and the fact that Star Wars uses Hyper-Lane Travel, rather than FTL, which is a lot faster, but requires mapped lanes. In Star Trek, the Hyper-Space equivalent travel is called Underspace and was used by the Vaadwuar to make lightning fast strikes on their enemies, further adding credence to how much faster Hyper-Space travel is.
V-GER and the Whale Probe were MASSIVE. Even Star Destroyers would be dwarfed by them. Not to mention the Dyson Sphere encountered in TNG Season 6. Granted the latter couldn't necessarily be counted as a ship, it would still dwarf even the Death Star.
@@hazardous8301 The Voth ship is much bigger than the Executer. The Executer is longer but it's not as wide and it's flat compared to the voth city ship. Also, the Voth schip is tiny compared to the Dyson Sphere or the Doomsday machine.
@@alphanerd7221 lol this comment shows how little research you do. The Doomsday machine is less then half the size of the voth city ship at only 2,700 meters long. That’s barely bigger then a standard Imperial II Star destroyer 😂. As for your nonsense about the both city ship, it’s literally HALF the length of the Executor. The executor also has the same length to height ratio as the City ship. I will give you that voth city ship has a larger width to length ratio then the Executor, but you’re absolutely delusional if you think that one ship having a wider width to length ratio makes it over all even comparable to a ship twice it’s length, when both ships are longer then they are wide. I’ll give you the Dyson sphere. But stuff like the Dyson spheres, is more of the exception then the reality, given that as I’ve already proven with the whole doomsday machine issue, even ships considered massive in the Star Trek universe, are pretty standard size for Star Wars capital ships.
Too bad they didn't have some antique guns.... ;)
Yeah. After Star Trek: First Contact (where phasers were useless but bullets from a Tommy gun can shoot through Borg force-fields), you'd think that Starfleet would start equipping their more primitive weapons like AK-47s or Tommy guns just in case.
At least the Klingons carry Bat'leth's aboard their ship.
geonerd I seem to recall an episode of Babylon 5 where Mr. Garibaldi had an old revolver that came in very handy. Though I don't recall the situation. Perhaps it was in a place where the phased plasma gun would be detected.
Tanuki Man he used the bullets via bake off in the hidden floor to take out an alien that was used by a cult to kill people. Not remember him ever actually using a revolver.
Thst sounds right. Great memory there!
Janeway never had it so good as when she was storming her own ship, deck by deck, with a good-old fashioned Colt 1911.
Despite how mind-bogglingly advanced the Voth appear to be, the Federation was probably still catching up to them technologically.
Remember, if they left Earth millions of years ago, then that means they had that much time to get to where they are now.
I can see Starfleet matching them in maybe a century or two.
Your logic doesn't make sense
makes me wonder, if we can build aircraft that can carry huge warships, and land in open ocean, that makes the aircraft carriers look like childs play.
Everyone says 'if only they had old-fashined firearms'. I'm sorry, but would that just have gotten them killed? I'm no fan of surrender and there are cases where going down fighting is the only option left, but in this case, when you are so hopelessly outmatched and the opposite side clearly wants something from you, why risk it?...What was Janeway's plan in case that rifle had worked? 'Oops, I thought this wouldn't work. Can we still talk about you teleporting my ship back out of your huge dreadnought, which probably also has more firepower and shields and faster engines? No?'. It was a gut decision, and a logical one (Tuvok fired too!) but as the viewer, I got to say, this would have been Voyager's last mission had that rifle worked.
Yes the thing with phasers is they can put it on 'stun' mode - if it had worked the Voth wouldn't have minded so much that a fellow brethren was knocked out for a few hours. But if one of them actually killed then under Doctrine I wonder what the punishment would be...
Philip Chen Paris did knock one of them out with a phaser rifle. Used it as a club.😀
Swords are more awesome anyway.
@@XCrawlFan especially wielded by a crazy shirtless asian
That's one race that's clearly superior to the Borg. Imagine if they got assimilated?
Depends on how many ships they have.
To be fair they have had millions of years to advance their society. The borg only became the borg about 1000 years ago. In a million years the borg would be more advanced.
How on earth would the Borg assimilate them?
@@alphanerd7221 The way the Borg operates they are more likely to be aggressive against a superior target and only ignore the inferior species with nothing to add. Still, they'd probably first use a tactical sphere to gain Intel and capture individuals in smaller ships before approaching the city ships. If they assimilated enough individuals with basic knowledge of their technology it could prepare them for a full assault.
@@Elliandr The Borg couldn't assimilate any of these people. It's like you are saying an ant could beat a human at chess.
0:02-1:30 *Voth invisibility technology, and the Voth's "City Ship."*
You would think the Borg would send an armada to hunt the city ship down. That's some valuable tech there.
@Koowluh The Voth are one of the most advanced races in Star Trek, it seems inconceivable the Borg didnt know about them. They've assimilated hundreds of species in the delta quadrant and not one ran into the Voth? Seems impossible.
on top of all the technology, the Voth could have the equivalent of a futuristic SWAT team in bullet proof, unpierceable suits, shields, etc. And just gas, or electrocute everyone or overwhelm them in SO MANY ways (one GREAT example: turn the gravity generator up so high your opponent can't even move). As their technology would have surpassed humans centuries ago.
Looks kinda like a Xindi Aquatics ship
NoSleepForCranky Model is based off one another
it also looks remotely like the Destiny on Stargate Atlantis.
Pace Web Designs Stauffer You mean SG Universe? Yes it has that same giant wedge shape.
This is why you have replicated melee/projectile weapons in a cargo bay.
Voth: "We have rendered your technology worthless"
Janeway: "My Vulcan doesn't care"
Tuvok: "Capta..."
Janeway, spooling up minigun: "Not you."
Voth: *concerned beaming off ship*
energy weapons or dirty harry guns.... those dino-nauts probably out numbered the voyager crew at least 50 to 1.
Heed My Warning that's even a estimate giving the voyager crew the benefit of the doubt 😂
Literally more like 50,000 to one.
It's amusing - the Voth outclassed Voyager faster than the Borg.
Just send those guys after the Borg, the collective would be proper fucked if they met.
Fuzzy Duo From what I can tell, no Voth tech seems to be wielded by the Borg. I'd say there's a fair chance that they are currently unaware of each other. I would LOVE to see that first contact.
Yeager123123 plus Star Trek online and you can. It takes place around 30 years after voyager and picks up the storyline. It a fully sanctioned game and at its current story arc it's already felt with the iconians. Before that however the borg voth and undine were the main enemies. They all hated each other and were always at each other's throats but for the most part the voth were the most dominant of the 3.
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Dealt* I'm getting really sick of autocorrect
I too loved this scene. And a pretty awesome race of aliens as well.
Line up in the kitchen...Neelix hands out knives! And forks...spoons for late comers.
Seriously, in the age of energy shields, a bayonet is king it seems. Or a bat'leth.
Not seen in this particular clip, I like how that one Voth officer (later in the episode) just smirks and shrugs at one of the threats of the Voyager crew. 🤣
In my top ten of Star Trek episodes.
Ridiculously overpowered enemy. Not even the Borg would stand a chance against these creatures.
Janeway: Q !!!!! HELP!!!!! Dinosaurs have finally gotten us. Jane Way: By the size of this ship it must be the T-Rex's descendants.
Would've have liked to see the Voth fight the Borg.
God I miss the 90s star treks
For all those advocating for projectile weapons remember, this is a 24th century ship.
In those days it was all about shields and structural integrity fields, the hulls might as well be made of paper.
I wouldn't feel safe firing any projectile weapon in that.
Aliens from Independence Day: You have to watch it with these humans, they can ruin your whole fleet with just a Mac book and a line of code.
Voth: That's cute.
A few M4's could really have helped them out there. You can't shut down a simple combustion reaction.
shields
Them having a shield is not established.
And tho I agree with Darqe, they really would have taken the ship and it's neural technology apart.
We also don't know what the walls are made of, you could shoot a .308 from one end of the ship to the other! Or it could just bounce rounds all over that 10' hallway like a pinball game and be murder for everyone.
:D
It's also safe to say that people with that much of advantage could have had them dead without boarding.
It's all so 20th century infantry combat with better guns and nothing else. There were those aerial combat drones in that TNG episode and they could easily fire widespread beams in all directions. They could beam a few around each crew member even. Paradigm shifting technology and all.
Or the TR-116 rifle armed with bullets (used on Deep Space Nine), Klingon Bat'leths or Picard with a Tommy Gun.
I mean heck, a sharpened broomstick or plank would also be more useful against the Voth and Borg than phasers.
If they have the technology to disable individual phasers from a distance I'm sure they are no strangers to projectile weapons and have a counter.
1:00 If I didn't know better, V'Ger must have passed by the Voth on its way to Earth and "left behind"
some schematics.
Time for some old school gunpowder weapons aboard starships.
*an antimatter tipped crossbow bolt would be really useful right about now*
This is why you use projectile weapons. Always reliable when it comes to advanced civilisations.
This is a tremendous achievement for us - in our entertainment no less, that we decide to use it to imagine a civilization far superior to ours and see beyond our own culture, and recognize in it our own positive and negative attributes. As a Catholic I fully appreciate this episode's indictment of how the Catholic Church handled the Galileo Galilei case, which was outside the authority its own teachings give it(it has no legitimate political or civil authority to punish even an errant scientist or a deceiver, and no faithful Catholic could defend its secular actions, such as military incursions and civil/political interference). While it assumes the single-source theory of evolution, fiction is free to imagine many things, reasonable and unreasonable - what was important about the episode was the relationship among truth, power, and well-being, and the playing out of these elements both rings true, and speaks for itself. I know people will count this a not-so-great episode of Voyager and the current generation will not appreciate it except as an elevated form of ammunition for anti-religious sentiment, I couldn't care less that most of it was people standing around and talking, because of what they were talking about. If there was more time, maybe there could have been more action to demonstrate the discussion, but you only have 45 minutes a week, and why can't it be a shootout one week and a philosophical debate the next, and a combination of both throughout?
The problem is I find it difficult to accept that a race that holds to doctrine so rigidly and is so resistant to new ideas and endeavors could ever have achieved their level of technological development. You're telling me they can make this tech but they don't have the collective maturity as a species to accept that they originate from Earth, and their sense of identity is so fragile that accepting they are related to mammals would destroy it? It just doesn't make sense. How much do you think we could have evolved if we allowed the Church and other religious groups to continue persecuting scientists instead of telling them where to stick it and minding our scientific business? My bet is, not much. It's difficult to make advancements when you're worried that the next idea you propose might get you burned at the stake by religious authorities that don't know their proper place and insist on keeping everyone ignorant and even constantly in danger of dying of some infectious disease if it means their precious little doctrines won't be challenged.
@@carmensavu5122 that's the anti-religious sentiment I'm talking about. You've been indoctrinated. The Church was the repository of scientific knowledge and logical investigation. People in the Church were the scientists who studied and developed our current theories.
I recommend you check out the episode of South Park that sends Cartman to an atheistic future, only to find out that conflict and authoritarianism are a symptom of human nature, not of religion.
1:12 Janeway's face was not half this tense when she saw 18 Borg cubes coming her way...
This was a really creepy scene, one of the best in voyager
"we've been beamed inside the ship" , "Flush the sewage system"
Janeway . . ''my rifle didn't go ''phew phew''.
Why was the warp bubble never weaponized? Surely those gravitational forces could rip anything to bits 🤷
Basic solid propellant firearms or melee weapons should be by this time a standard cache in weapons lockers on all starships. When reports like this come back to Starfleet head quarters and after action reports are read and discussed, these types of things should be implemented.
sir two of our boarding party have been killed.
Okay we played nice, beam the crew off the ship and in to space,
Would have been good to have seen a Voth mothership... 65 million years of evolution must have produced Billions by the 24th century even if they had a one child policy!
this is why if i were a captain i d keep a full supply of good ole fire arms and melee weapons on board and make sure the crew had regular training with them,
A couple of slug throwers would do nicely in this situation :)
"Really? Take this upload... We learned that from Independence Day"
Actually, a ship that size will be a village ship. Centennial Ship. Retrofit every sixty years.
I will never understand why Captain Janeway at the end of this episode didn't ask the Voth if they could give Voyager a ride home being their ship was inside of a ship capable of traveling at trans warp speed? I mean it's like can you at least help us out here?
I know right but it would have hurt the show
What makes you think they would've helped in any way. The Queen-like old lady told Chakotay in kind words that she never wants to see of them again. Ticking her off she may have hurled Voyager in a transwarp tunnel in the opposite direction of their path to Earth. She was pretty vindictive and had exhausted her tolerance of humans.
This would expose their people to the proof that the distant origin theory was valid - which is the last thing the religious authorities wanted.
One Intrepid versus a Citadel Dreadnought? Piece of cake.
Welcome to the infinite Bazar! You've got one our, don't get lost!
Thierry has been awfully quiet since this dropped
If the Voth turned aggressive the Federation would have no chance.
"This device pushes the object out of phase!"
"A cloaking device!"
.......uhhhhmmm...... more like a subspace field? I thought _the wunderkind helmsman of Starfleet_ would know the difference between cloaking and subspace displacement!
That is a hell of a large transporter pad. 😂😂😂
"I was refering to a bio-cylinder... But the fruit will suffice" - Tuvok during last call at a gay night club.
You win. That's hilarious. My hat is off to you good sir. Pon Farr memories...
@uh wot bio-cylinder(penis) and fruit(banana) I'm guessing...don't quote me but!!
@uh wot "Fruit" is an insult aimed at gays. Jef is basically making a joke worthy of most sexually insecure 6th grader boys.
@@hermeticallysealed1 Never heard of that. How can that be an insult when it is not a thing?
I say you project.
@@mariusraab9076 "It can't be real if I never heard of it! Herp derp!" Luckily, the real world doesn't give a shit. You can easily look it up to see.
That's why a good old fashioned gun would help lol
Never understood why there couldn't be at least a few M16's and/or AR15's available for High Ranking Starfleet Security Officers for the rare situations such as this when the Phasers became useless.
I get that it's all about the Technology but I remember thinking about this in my early teens seeing the BORG for the 1st time watching TNG. Finally in the Movie Picard used a Tommy Gun against the BORG proving that bullets are better sometimes, but I guess it's beneath Starfleet to use ancient artillery like that even if it can still get the job done.
I know if I was a Captain or in Security I'd have a few guns replicated & ready for those just in case moments lol
A chemically-propelled projectile weapon was featured in the Deep Space Nine episode "Field of Fire".
The Voth weren't they the dino people that left Earth when that comet was coming and decided to colonize another planet doesn't seem to make sense that they would travel so far from earth.
It's speculated/implied the City Ships were created by their ancestors as Ark ships to carry their people to a new home. I don't think we know why they went so far.
When energy weapons won't do switch to the old reliables, Tommy guns!
I thought about this episode during the 2016 election. Tom Hanks was interviewed and said something along the lines of Donald Trump won't be president until Dinosaurs fly down in spaceships wearing red capes. I immediately thought of this episode. So, I did a simple video edit of him saying that then put in the scene of the voth ship flying in and then jumped to the elder dinosaur lady wearing the red cloak saying "Now, we shall proceed". I'm not the best editor but I thought it was funny, in my little world it was anyways. I never uploaded it anywhere, I don't even know where it is now.
That would make a great curb meme 😂
PLEASE upload that video. I would love to see it.
Right about now is when you wish you has some of those good old fashioned chemically powered ballistic weapons.
Seems they have gotten around the issue of transporting more than a teaspoon of antimatter at a time
This is pricelessly when it's good to have Jayne on your side.
Alex M jayne ? Janeway ? Or someone else , who’s Jayne?
The guy in the bunk.
The man called Jayne with Vera.
I don't remember ever seeing this episode. what season / episode is this?
AndyAndromedaArt Distant Origin
I thought the same and watched the set plenty, I love finding an episode I’ve not seen
Does anyone know the season and episode name. I cant seem to find it.
Season 3 Episode 23 Distant Origin
The Voth embrace the distant origin theory and decide they want to go home.
I've always wanted to see Star Trek Online follow this arc. Here is how I envision it.
Your doing something on Earth, when suddenly a Worm-Hole opens in orbit. This is amazing because holy shit a Worm-Hole. From it, a damaged Voth fleet emerges, asking for help. Before you can properly respond, more Voth ships come through and open fire on the first group of ships, it's Voth vs Voth. After a battle, more Voth ships come through, but they too are damaged, but they belong to the faction the second group belonged to. Then, Borg ships start emerging from the Worm-Hole. You team up with the Voth to fight off these Borg and are told about a civil war taking place amongst the Voth.
The Voth Empress decided to reveal the truth to the citizens, that they hail from Earth. This caused quite a bit of confusion, but was eventually accepted by the majority of citizens, and plans for a pilgrimage to Earth began. However, the Inquisition did not like this, and tried to depose the Empress, created two warring factions, as the Inquisition tried to quash all ideas of them originating from Earth. However, the Voth millitrary leader accepted that they came from Earth, but he did not want a peaceful pilgrimage, he instead wanted to conquer the Earth, and a third faction was created.
When you travel through the Worm-Hole you find a planet under siege. Voth loyalists(who embrace the truth and wish peaceful pilgrimage), defend a new capital they were kicked to by the Inquisition, from the invading Inquisition, which was itself blind-sided by opportunistic Borg, who have decided to attack their ancient enemies - The Voth. So now this world is clamped between two hostile factions in the Voth Inquisition and The Borg. This planet would become a Space and Ground Warzone for players to take part in.
The Worm-Hole created was a test for a new technology developed by the Voth Loyalists , which the other factions try to capture. They close the Earth Worm-Hole and open a new one in a different location, since Voth and Borg pouring into Earth space is really bad.
Klaus Toth don't forget, they have Q on their side.
Instead of Nemesis have the Picard arc a Voth mother ship returning home would have been an awesome storyline... Especially if they found that Earth was too over crowded and decided to Terraform Venus!
@Klaus Toth Not bey the time of STO. By then the federation had transwarp/slipstream and could fight voth ships on a nearly even keel.
I cant even imagine how long it took the Voth to construct that ship.
Kevin Howard what about all the technology. I was thinking how amazing their transporters are. Star Fleet can beam people, the Voth can beam ships. There isn't a number to count all the atoms that need to be kept track of so that you can put the ship back together
Bet they wished they had a few .45 acp's and a few M16's at that moment.