Granddaughters Of A Nazi And A Holocaust Survivor Share A Journey
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- Опубликовано: 18 дек 2017
- Julie's grandfather was an SS officer. Rachael's grandmother, a Holocaust survivor. Both women came together with the common mission of finding out more about the past.
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Oh my goodness, Rachael looks SOOO much like her grandmother! It's obvious she's still around telling her story through her granddaughter.
I'm deeply touched by these two women😔
I admire these two ladies. God bless the two of you!
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Its a blessing how these people turn on their families and embrace the dark past of strangers.
Much Admiration and Respect for these two ladies coming together!
The world NEEDS more of the same!
You can choose your friends but you can’t choose your family
These two set an example for being open and honest about very difficult issues.
Rachael looks like her grandmother
They must as well be twins...striking resemblance
I know!
This is really healing the transparency of their sharing. I had 2 encounters with family of nazi soldiers (soldier criminals). The first was at a Buddhist monastery in France and one of ladies there who was practicing buddhism told me her grandfather was a nazi soldier. I told her my family were Jewish and many died in concentration camps. When I mentioned how a family member of was shot at (yet they missed, she survived) before falling into a large hole full of other naked dead victims, and how she climbed over so many dead bodies and lived and survived somehow, there was no emotion I felt from the lady. As if she did not even hear what I said. She didn't respond. She changed the subject and said that her grandfather was put in a truck (I assumed during the liberation) and many threw rocks at him and how she felt so bad for him. I then was stunned. I was just visiting the monastery to meditate there for a week but she shaved her head and wanted to live this lifestyle of finding peace and redemption. I hope she finds it because at that moment it seemed to me that blocking what really happened, not being able to feel how gruesome their actions were, was maybe a way to make her grandfather the loving man maybe he was to her, not sure. But this kind of interaction happened again. With a patient of mine. From Austria. After treating her for many months, she became really close to me, and appreciated our kinship. One day she told me out of nowhere that her dad was a Nazi soldier. I thought. Let me tell her about what happened to my family and just see. She did the same thing. No emotion. No response. She only talked about how hard it was for her family after the war, about how food was limited and how they couldnt take the train like before etc. But no acknowledgement of the atrocities that occurred. It was literally shocking to me I guess many have to see their loved ones as loved ones, without recognizing the monstrous acts they committed because maybe if they did, they wouldn't see them in the same light. So hearing from this girl, how she was looking to see if her grandmother carried remorse etc.. showed me that some are willing to look deeper. It's a delicate topic i know. But gosh. This has made me sensitive all around. Being around my dad growing up and how hardened/affected he was by all of this. I have even chose to lead a vegan diet because of the things I've seen done to animals which feel barbaric. All life is important and sacred. All life.
you know this type of attitude I have seen in my own family, not accepting or not wanting to see the mistakes of your loved ones knowing the damage they cause to others, but they condemn your mistakes in an exacerbated way, it is pure cowardice, cynicism, hypocrisy and double morality, my maternal aunt says that she hates my father who was a drunk, womanizer and unfaithful, but her husband harasses me, humiliates me psychologically, emotionally and verbally and gets into judging my personal and physical life and she only acts coldly, without emotions or remorse and I can see in her eyes the contempt, hatred, selfishness, jealousy and envy she has for me, for being my father's daughter and she says that my blood is dirty and contaminated unlike her husband who her family is special and morally superior and it is that my mother sent packages with things from the USA for me and my brother, but she gave them to her children, because according to her, we did not deserve it and that is why my father was there to give us everything and he lied to my mother telling her that he didn't We wanted nothing, saying that we did not like the things that my mother sent us and that we were ungrateful to her and the worst thing is that my aunt has always known how to control and manipulate my mother and it is hard and disconcerting that my aunt victimizes herself, a Once I went to her house for a few months and her husband looked at me with a lot of hatred and contempt and he liked to yell at me and tell me that if no one had broken my arm or a foot, he would do it and if my father never punished me, he would do it, because for him women have to be corrected and kept under their feet and it was better for me to leave that house and I couldn't take it anymore and the worst thing is that they are evangelicals.
Naomi I am so sorry you went though that 'stonewalling', even twice. Clearly these ladies had NO ability to relate to you, or show compassion.
Her behavior sounds 💯 like spiritual bypassing to me. Wow, astonishing.
What a poignant, educating story of facing the past and of reconciliation with one another. Thank you for sharing this story.
Both women are amazing.
" History is not there for you to change it or alter it , History is there for you to learn from if History offends you then that is a good thing, perhaps you will not make the same mistakes "
I just wish that one day all human beings and all the peoples of the earth, we can forgive and reconcile and heal our wounds. What a moving, tragic and painful shared story of these brave ladies, who have the courage to face their past, I only wish that something like this never happens again. never again.
May light be with you & your grandmother Rachel !
This is amazing, just educating and sharing I have alot of respect never stop
Seeing those old pictures of her grandmother:) Rachael looks so much like her.
They're right. They're not on different sides. They are not guilty of their grandparents' sins.
May Jew and Gentile live in peace together with the infinite blessings and mercy of Almighty God
Amen
She looks so much like her grandmother
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Julie seems like a nice and thoughtful woman. Her Grandparents were not.
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I always love when children/grandchildren become different from very contemptible people
I wish more folks would watch this video with an open heart & as a reflection on today’s society.
Please find more stories like this.
I admire what you are trying to do.
If this had happened in 1955 , it might have mattered more . By now , the world is hurtling towards a nuclear armaments cliff . Only the triumph of universal love and respect across national , religious and racial boundaries can save the human race . Yet it is the opposite trend that is gathering the most massive support . It will be a miracle if the world is not a heap of rubble within 10 years .
Firstly I would like two thank you both for this very moving extract of your life's. And I would like to think that you both are kindred spirits, friends and then working towards the peace project. Because if you weren't friends first you wouldn't be able to do what you do. God bless you both as you definitely are working with his spirt in you both.
God bless you both.
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Beautiful story
A true inspiration.
This issue is intresting very much especially recent years.
I thought who is this to be with grandparents of other side of this.
Still a lot of hard questions not being asked about that period,
My grandfather was a bomber pilot for the US military and a pow in german for 7 months
Thank you so much for sharing. My grandmother grew up in Nazi Germany.
I know a older mennonite Lady who is orginally from Germany and was married into her faith. She was very young when the war ended and actually she was born in a different country. I wish I had the talent to document her story. Her's is a story never told. After WW2 and Germany had lost ALL Germens where kicked out of the country they where in no matter what side they where on. Kicked out into a sort of death March in the middle of winter. She talked if starving and cold, seeing dead bodies on the side of the road from people who gave out. The Germans living in Germany, where forced to take them in by the Government. And These people taken in where generally overworked and underfed. She talked about how being very young sneaking into a neighbor's coop and sucking Raw eggs to help her hunger. Her whole Life she has felt guilty that she stole those eggs to survive. Her family, being in a different country where technically German, but not really, and she never said it, but I believe they where on the Allies side. I wish someone would tell that side of the story. There are people like her that still carry a side of history never taught. It would make a great documentary or book on the story of those people in post war Germany. Thankfully her life did get better, she went to college in the US where she met her future Husband. After alot of back and forth they got married and she has had a very happy life. She is a very Jolly, Good Natured women, she is a joy to be around! As far as I know she doesn't really talk about her past that much, only in the presence of a certain group. Sadly we haven't seen her for a couple years now, But Last I heard she was doing fine.
Never forget!!!!
We should all look at those who have different pasts and beliefs and see one another , not oppose.
how are Rachel & Julie goung now in 2023?
As a Catholic I find that this is an important part of Holy Week and respecting Passover. Their decision is important I wish it could have been their full conversation. After watching Operation Eichmann It gives a special emphasis.
@@shadowbane7401 was that a positive or a negative response to my comment?
Jews hate you
I'm technically a Catholic. But the hypocrisy of the Church made me stop attending the Mass. I also learned that the Vatican has something to do with the escape of most of the Nazi leaders. Shame
How many times do you guys have to apologize?
anais You completely missed the point. The reference was to modern day Germans. They had nothing to do with it.. Move on. The horse is dead.
anais Forget No. Ashamed. Yes, of course. The key word is the “past” Move on. It is their country now.
the germans will have to apologize in the name of the german people that executed the holocaust forever, exactly as the jews will remember it forever. this is not something that can be forgotten/forgiven, what they did is beyond anything even the devil could think about, if it was your people i guess your perception was different, people unfortunately dont connect to things not related to them
@@MT-tu8qd apologize for life..we don't forget the evil you did to others.
@@gili41 very good response
I'm a Gentile who was placed with an Orthodox Jewish family, who agreed to help me even after knowing I was directly half German and that my dad was born in Germany in 1930.
I was against being in another foster home so I told her she won't want anything to do with me after she finds out I'm half-German.
I thought that Children';s Services was trying to force me to be Jewish by giving me a Jewish foster mother. But she told me a person "can't convert to Judaism. You have to be born to a Jewish mother."
Interesting - I know two people who claim to be Jewish and I know for a fact their mothers are not Jewish. Both are related.
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That’s nice. However I will note that it is possible to convert to Judaism; it just takes a while of study and approval by a rabbinical court.
Great video. That´s the way to go... and move on...
Very much so. Learn from the past so it is not repeated.
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they are definitely on opposite sides of the fence here
Majority of people have the ability to be cruel
What were the main reasons why the Nazi appeared? Did Bismarck or the Kaiser planted the seed of this social upheaval or was it because of the harsh conditions imposed by the winning side of WWI?
The Nazi party (or national socialists as they were also called) came into power gradually after the stock market crash in 1929. Before that however, Germany was pinned with around 380 clauses of responsibility out of the 420 that was written after WW1 ended to reconstruct Europe. Because of these clauses Germany was hugely in debt for wartime reparations, making the Reichmark worse than worthless to the common people. Because of the financial situation at the time the then government, also known as the Weimar Republic, began to weaken and was very in effective at making any real improvements for the German people. So when the world market crashed in 1929, things went from bad to even worse for Germany, leading to a multitude of social groups wanting to attain power in government. The two most prominent at the time were either the communists or the national socialists, as they both sought for radical and rapid change for Germany. However, the people were heavily dismayed with the idea of a communist government being established since the USSR was already becoming well known for its brutal political purges of opposition as well as the man-made famine in Ukraine caused by Stalin. So because of this, the Nazi party became quite attractive, even moreso after Hitlers’ speeches started to become more published and broadcasted over radio within Germany. After one of his most largest speeches before coming to power the Nazi party received a huge boost of membership applications as well as votes to become a more legitimized faction in German politics. Finally, after years of build up and sway of popular opinion, President Paul Von Hindenburg appointed Hitler as vice chancellor of Germany, even despite him not wanting to but having to abide by the new constitution of Germany. After Hindenburgs death, Hitler appointed himself as first Chancellor of Germany, becoming the singular legitimate leader of the nation. Sometime afterwards, the Reichstag was set on fire by an unknown assailant - some say it was a member of the communist party, others say it was self sabotage or maybe it was just a random arsonist. Because of this, Hitler declared martial law and suspension of several rights involving freedom of press, speech, and assembly. A little afterwards, Hitler finally declared the National Socialists of Germany as the main and domineering party in parliament, and himself Dictator of the nation. Fallowing several very discreet and secretive purges of Communist sympathizers and party leaders, the Nazi’s were able to attain complete control over every facet of the German nation with no opposition arising or being tolerated.
@@sethwoll6240 I'm from the "3rd side" of this story. You tell the history very well. I'm afraid we are headed towards something similar at the moment.
My great grandfather was a communist and was fighting against the Nazis, underground. He was trying to stop the holocaust by accounts from the family, but wasn't a Jew nor a Nazi- of course the KPD as you say had their own agenda for control - he was eventually killed by Gestapo when my Nana was 5 years old (found hung in shed, my Great Aunt says the Gestapo did it). If you search up on google "Stolperstein - Bohnhoff, Heinrich Friedrich August" you can find a short article about him. I am in Australia xx
Decades long racial nationalism pumped into the minds of the population culminating in a movement of thieves, occupiers, mass murders and bloodthirsty fanatics.
Seth Woll it makes a change to find someone who has actually studied and understood the plight of the German people after ww1, the more I studied the plight of the German people the more I respected and understood the whole situation and I think the German people have been treated wrongly and harshly for a century.
@@brucegibson7478 Germans started both WW. So how they treated other people.???
Read history.
its good to see that new relationships between jews and Germans are built but i dont think the jews will ever forget or forgive for the brutal genocide that has happened, its just impossible, as someone that wasn't in the holocaust and didn't loose any family members( because they weren't in europe) i still cant visit germany, i once did because of my work and couldnt handle the vision of the forests or anything else, the holocaust jumps to mind immediately unfortunately
If those two had been accidentally switched at birth and given to other parents this story would not exist.
They should be more concern about the returning of nazi ideology nowadays in Europe, rather to talk nostalgically about the horrors of 80 years ago. Nazism must be confronted today, because it still alive.
Do you fear us or the truth, Erasmo? Even your son will someday join our legions. Accept fate.
what about dictators - Hitler style, in the world ?
Since the period of King Zog, tens of thousands Jews were able to enter Albania freely, even without registering at the border, so that they could leave no traces. When the Italians came here, they did not actively persue the deportation of jews. Once the Nazis invaded Albania, the Jews had all but disappeared among the population, disguised as Albanians and equipped with Albanian papers.
Even after the Nazis had full control, those who were harbouring them never gave them up
love isreal from albania 🇦🇱🇮🇱
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I mean that I understand how hard it was for you to say that!?🕎♊️✡️
She produced Mischlinge
Don't we all?
I often think when I see these ancestral meetings, whether theres a very faint feeling of superiority on the German side, as it was their ancestor that held the power of life and death and dominance . But then I think one reason why these two people with two different family histories can get on was , because there actually was no victory, of one over the other. The Nazis won briefly but lost the overall power, But so did the Jews. They lost everything at that time.
If anything, it is the Jewish people who can feel like winners. Actually, just recently I heard that Israelis are in serious negotiations about selling some air defence missiles to Germany. Who would have thought that possible 80 years ago?
Oy vey :__(
Before joining any movement, one should ask God and not other fellow citizen.
I hope the Americans also soon apologize to the Japanese and the British to the Indians
You’re joking right
Americans need to apologize to a lot of people not just the Japanese
Nahhh
@@luchko3936 are you serious?
@aard apel civillians died too.
Young Lady, the polarization is not perceived. It is a real & present danger. Jan. 6th was only the beginning.
Now if it was sharing and teaching, then it would be good. But it is not sharing and teaching. In truth, it is about blaming the German people for all eternity. The German must feel guilty! All politics since 1945 aims at that. This has to stop because it's very dangerous. There is a saying in Germany: Once your reputation is ruined, you live completely unashamedly.
Furthermore, I would like to make my Jewish friends aware of the Bible and tell them not to sin!
Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be on him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be on him.
Keep getting this PROPAGANDA shoved in my face
Same