I just did that Rak 8 dBi inside the attic at the peak. I then ran LMR 400 from the antenna to the miner in the house, fishing it down through the wall. I doubt the M1 would survive very long in a Florida attic. I used an online calculator to figure my loss/drop with the cable run and adapters. I'll eventually move it outside after I get some data from it being inside the attic. I have a custom mount built into my chimney for a tv dish I don't use anymore but it's not as high as the attic peak inside. This was a great subject to cover!
@@DoItJustinKace very informative. I just bought a 8 DBI antenna before seeing this video. I feel like I was asking myself many of the things you brought up. Thanks for the confirmation. Forget the snowflakes.
When I got my MNTD miner I put it in the corner of my kitchen (~5m high) and it made ~$2-5 a day with the included antenna. When I swapped out an 8dBi antenna in the same position it made ~$7-10 a day. Going to do a roof mount at ~10m once I get the proper materials in, and I expect I'll yield an even greater return. This is such an interesting source of income, I can't help but get exciting trying to keep on top of it all and maximize my earnings.
I went looking and every cell around me seems to be up to a year ago (some a couple months to the 1y) and 30d is around 3-40 dollars. That is a pretty bad ROI. I have a ton of 100 foot tall trees where I live how bad will that affect this LoRa stuff?
@@DoItJustinKace Nice. I found a nice 9db antenna and would stick that up on the chimney, but no miners available until late spring to early summer. Sad thing is I can't use my credit card for the fraud protection it offers so couple those with needing 50GB per month (until lite hits) this is a dead project for me. I was getting elated since I can't find any GPUs to mine with either (that doesn't cost what a used car costs). I think Crypto is dead right now.
Ok great video with numbers supporting. I moved my miner from a congested area to a low miner population at the beach in its own hex for 1.0 BUT doesn’t reach anything so thinking of putting in attic and your video confirmed good choice. Thanks! Just hope you aren’t on the MNTD payroll! 😜
So glad I took your advice and got the 8db antenna and put it on the roof. I live in an over saturated hotspot city so scaling rewards are low. This antenna witnesses further hotspots with better scaling. Earnings have gone way up so I’m not regretting buying the hotspot anymore.
@@KoLecnac back when I made that video is probably different from what I’m getting now. I mean I used to get 1.6 HNT a day and now it’s like .4 HNT. So it would be a pointless comparison.
Hi, I started mining Helium with a Bobcat Miner with the OEM antenna in a window on the 3rd floor (20m) of an office. I live in a very flat, low height, very populated city and I made no gain adjustments with that setup. I was averaging about 0.30 HNT per day and achieve a personal best of 0.44 HNT superbowl Sunday. Sunday evening an hour before the new UTC day I installed a new 8 Dbi antenna (Bingfu) on a magnetic base (Bingfu) that has a 10ft RG58 cable. I noticed a drop in activity over the course of the super bowl so 5 hours later I changed the gain to 6.2 which accounts for the attenuation for this setup hoping to increase the power sent to the antenna by the minor. The first full day UTC day using the new antenna setup and the combination of gains, yielded my worse performance to date of 0.21 HNT. Any ideas with what's gone wrong. I'm going to let the current setup 8 dbi antenna with 6.2 gain ride for another couple of days but I'm thinking the Bobcat antenna setup might be the better choice. Although, according to every source my 8dbi setup such have increased my witnessnessing significantly. PLEASE HELP!
Are earnings still down? A possible reason would be that your antenna is now reaching miners in more populated locations, so while you're reaching more of them, your rewards are scaled down because they're in dense locations. I've also not heard of setting the Dbi in the app by subtracting your loss. I think you're simply supposed to input what your antenna Dbi is by default, and possibly the network or app does the rest of the calculation work.
@@favorites1484 yes, earnings and witnessing were down steadily for three days. Yesterday at 20:00 UTC I switch back to the stock bobcat antenna and immediately you could see the increase in activity. As of close of day, I’ve had my second most profitable day. I believe the BIngfu brand antenna (Amazon choice) is crap quality and doesn’t deliver what is actually stated in the description. You should adjust the antenna gain for the the attenuation or you’ll be under powered. Say you have a 8dbi antenna with a 3 dbi attenuation. You set the gain to 8dbi instead of 5dbi. The miner in the US only sends 27dbm of power to the antenna and will adjust you down. So and setting of 8dbi the miner sends less power because of fed rules. 6dbi get more power. It’s all about the your total power is 27dbm-attenuation+antenna dbi.
Where I live, the 2.3 that came with my GoldSpot was good. I had 16 witnesses after full sync. I then upped it to a 4db (current) and now I have a steady 24 witnesses in which the furthest is 59km away. I'm waiting on my 8dbi to test yet again and see how well I do. I'm in a valley, 2800ft above sea level, so tweaking is fun.
Even if it's a narrow angle. Let's say you place the antenna at a 10m altitude. The 8dbi antenna has a Vertical Beam Width of 27 degrees. We may assume other antenna's aren't placed on the ground, but let's keep it low at a 2m altitude. This leaves us with +/- 8m height difference and an angle to that point of 13.5 degrees. That would mean that you only can't see those other antenna's within +/- 33.5 meters, which in suburban areas might be just 5 houses further.
lmfao! I finished my antenna in the dark, on a two story house, with a steep roof pitch, in the rain!!! I'm working 6/10s right now and had to get it done 🤷
Great video! #1 Height! My 5.8db antenna is performing much better at 25 feet with 100ft LMR400 and a lightning arrestor (4.3 db loss) than my 4db antenna sitting in my window at 3 feet up (0db loss). Get your antenna up high people, as high as you can regardless of antenna! (properly ground it if outside installation). I run ham radio and my antennas are all in the attic, they reach 20-30 miles UHF. If you want to keep your antenna indoors with a shorter coax run and no lightning arrestor the attic is great and will greatly outperform your antenna a few feet above the ground in your room (as long as you don't have radiant barrier or metal roof/shingles). I am going to swap my 5.8 with the 8db though as I really have no obstructions and want to get a bit further.
would i have to worry about static electricity with no lightning arrestor in the attic? my goal is to run a 15' Cable outside and keep my miner inside. I would then add an arrestor. My problem is i am in the Midwest and we can get below zero temperatures , so an outside box is not likely or else i would do POE.
Wow you have 2 gold spot miner. Just subscribe. Thank you for the informations it helps a lot. Mine is a bobcat 300, hoping to arrive it as soon as possible. LOL
Avoid studs, avoid aluminum siding but if it's drywall and plaster or thin facing brick you may find a better signal as opposed to some windows that are coated , double paned or has inaccessible screens .. just food for thought. Also those numbers look a bit high for some materials..I guess it's better to er upwards
Man I tried for a hour for the mntd drop today. Didn’t get any. Have nebra and syncrobit still on way. Only have my rak lol tried installing the 5.8dbi antenna. But the network is down
Amazing Job bro, I was going to get a 5.8dbi one but this video made me change my mind. I live in a 3rd floor and have no way to go to the roof. Is it ok if I mount the antenna outside next to my window or in the balcony?
I currently live down from you and my mntd communicates with yours. I am going to try moving my antenna to the attic if not the roof. Plus I'm upgrading from 3dbi to 8. Hope to improve our neighborhood earnings
It’s no wonder why my the set up I have at my mother in law house isn’t making any money .. it’s literally 6 sides of brick and I can’t mount it outdoors !
Currently running 5.8 dbi @ 39 meters to a blue tooth miner 824% gain running lrm600 50ft I think there's one equation everyone needs to consider no homes in general are at sea level this system is like being a pilot you need to work elevation as the ctow flies . 5.8 dbi I sm reaching 400m away. Also lightning arrestor cost is 200.00 do not buy on Amazon. Supply electrical only ul rated 200 to 300 volt. Your loss is awesome. I am going to design my own antenna I am going to use 4 gage solid core stretched wire at 18" long it should create 8 dbi with an omni it won't be in fiberglass but in carbon fiber. You have to account for loss to get 120 to 824 percent gains Lrm 400 works fine at 35 ft of cable Also if you want to utelize two antennas with a powered Gain you can set it to .02 gain to a .06 positive gain . How much does it cost 450.00 for the antenna
@@DoItJustinKace hello, why would helium decrease the transmit power on a higher gain antenna. It doesn't serve their purpose if they want deployment and coverage
@@williamjonson6845 Well, I would just lie then. All a moot point since I can't get any and by the time that I could, will be no profit from it. Besides I don't buy anything with crypto as I like by fraud protection my credit card offers.
Hey Justin, I live in Colorado up in foco and was excited to see your videos! Great job! Im new to this and wanted to get your thoughts on recommended router and antenna for this area that won't take forever to ship. I appreciate your expertise and help. Thanks brotha!
I'm thinking of getting into this but there are only 4 Hotspots in my area and they are all brown. The blues are almost 100km away. Is it still worth while? How can I help get the Hotspots in my area to be blue so we can all earn more?
instead of trying to punch thru building walls, why not go over the building? im new to this thing but i think i will try the 5.8dBi first. living in apartment is really bad for mining.
To add to your list. Double glazed argon gas filled windows uv protection is impossible to get thru. Not sure what ingredient from the windows is worse but Closed window no witnesses for a week. I opened my window for 8 witnesses that day. With a 5.8 dbi antenna 10 meters up with no no line of sight obstacles
Hi Justin always a pleasure watching your content. Definitely one of the best and informative out of all helium you tubers and I’m subbed to quite a few. Your take on 8dbi for every scenario has got my attention since I thought in the suburbs a 3 or 5 dbi was optimal thru youtubers ive listened to. Not 1 has ever said 8 dbi by the window. Do you use the cable that came with the 8dbi or do u buy the lmr400 in the attic set up. Cause I’ll be putting mine in the attic. Thx buddy
I'd do your own testing, I gained two witnesses switching from 8dbi to 6dbi. And that pigtail is about .9dbi loss which equates to about 10 percent of the transmit power to your antenna, my 25 ft LMR 400 cable has 1.1dbi loss for reference. That's the reason people get the shorter ones or switch to LMR cables. You might not need LMR400, LMR240 for shorter runs is actually a better choice. Find a good antenna, RAK is OK, Rokland has better performace on paper and of course there more expensive ones. I picked Rokland for performace, price and shipping timelines. For my situation elevation is the main objective but I live in a flat area and overpasses stop my signal. Both my 8dbi and 6 dbi reach the same hotspots at 40 miles. Good luck gents! www.timesmicrowave.com/Calculator
Good stuff, man. Thanks! My miner is a few km away and is witnessing yours. We should probably set up a meetup of Arvada miners or something... :) I would love to connect and chat.
@@DoItJustinKace My replies keeps disappearing... maybe because I'm trying to propose ways we could connect and chat and youtube wants to keep us here. :)
would love to know exactly how you have that antenna set up back there, with the miner hooked to the side(how?), and the fan that i see. thank you! great video!
New subscriber and new to mining in general. I just purchased my first helium miner, FreedomFI 5G, and was looking into purchasing my first antenna. Right now I'm looking at the McGill omni 6 dbi 915 and LMR-400 Antenna cabling for an exterior mount at the peak of my inverted V shape roof, roughly 23-30 ft. from the ground level with eve side mounting pole when all said and done. My question to you is I haven't decided the location to place the miner just yet but was considering two options. Option 1) My bedroom where my home and ISP routers reside OR option 2) the attic. If I place the miner in my bedroom my Anttena cabling length will be 25-30 ft with an efficacy of 79.3% (roughly 80%). If I place the miner in the attic near the ventilation port my Antenna cable run to the outside eve location will only be 4-5 ft. with a rating of 95.6% according to McGills calculator (lots of work/home modification going this route). My problem is there is no electricity or internet connection in the attic and all that has to be run before getting my minor setup for that. On paper, these percentage differences seem like a huge reduction of signal loss but wasn't really sure if my laziness to just run the cabling from my bedroom where power and internet reside would cost me much in witnessing profitability. I plan on getting on board with the 5G when it's running. That's going to be costly taking a look at all that's involved in the investment aspect. Hoping that I can mine enough now to cover a portion of that. Basically, the antenna I purchase now will be useless in the future when I move to 5G, but I suppose I could reuse it if I purchase a second minor and place it at a different grid location (family/Friends House). I'm also hoping that when 5g comes about that I can take advantage of living 1 block away from the mall and all the restaurants and businesses around it (planning ahead). Also just for informational purposes, do you know if there is some loss in signal strength when joining two short cables together with a barrel connection to make one longer antenna cable? Can't seem to find any documentation on that. I haven't received my minor just yet, should be here tomorrow but with that said below is my competition within my Hex. Can you let me know how If I'm going about this right with all that I have laid out. Soft Pearl Hyena High Parchment Rooster Melodic Lilac Pony Thanks for your help, loving your content.
I CHANCE MY ANTENNA ON MY BOBCAT HOW MANY HOURS IT WILL NEED MY NEW ANTENNA TO START MAKING WORK I AM 7 HOURS WITH 0 HNT AFTER I CHANCE MY STOCK TO 8 DPI IS NORMAL?
About 150’ of cable. But if I use PoE that means placing miner off the ground and if I ever need to get to miner I have to have pay a company to go get it. Owner of tower will not let me on it do to safety and liability.
Good video and I am looking to swap out my 5.8 for a 8dbi however won’t the 8 overshoot all the hotspots closer to me? Most people steer away from a 8dbi for this reason. I want to try one but am reluctant at the same time.
The McGill antennas are "optimized" - do you have any idea what that means? Do you own one? If you DO own one does it make more HNT than the previous antenna that you were using?
I know I'm super late to this video, but just getting into helium and checking everything out. Was just curious what kind of stick stand is that you use for the antenna and miner?
So do I understand it right? I should place the miner inside in the attic and the antenna on the roof? Moreover, the best thing would be if not only my antenna ranges a8 dBi, but also all the others that I witness or witness me. Thank you.
Hey Justin, cool channel, happy to see your success. Just wondering if you think us Canadian could get into helium mining, I looked up my address and there isn’t many green helix around me. Does it mean my area isn’t profitable or it could be an opportunity
I hard to say. Depends on how many houses you can get into. I say if you can get 18 hotspots in 18 houses over 300m apart and able to beacon each other, then you have a huge opportunity. But if you just have one hotspot and no others around you, it’s not worth your time.
So how are you setting up these arrangements? Are you splitting the coin with them or paying them a fee for having it in their house or just selling them the devices and installation?
Justin, thank for the nice content, am in Europa here antenna gain here for POc v11 is 4, 1dbi, but my Problem is the nearest Hotspots to me is about 14km upward to 60km, what can you can u suggest in this Situation? And you send me the links of antena lost through Glass, brick and wall etc as u Shown in your video;-) greetings from Germany
Hello, I am really thinking about getting one. I live on the 7th floor in a building. I am not sure which antenna would be the best for me. Could you please give me some recommendation? Thanks
@@DoItJustinKace it’s in my home, window of 7th floor. There are like 2 half inch glasses. The miner is inside of the window. Just sitting on the end of the window.
Already I worry about that much glass. Never heard of a 2” glass window tho. Sounds heavy. You there that’s not just triple pane or something? Maybe try an 5.8 being in the second floor.
Depends on the size of the building and 'line of sight'. E.g. if there are several walls between, the signal will definitely not go through it. Then you can only send and receive in a certain direction. When there are tall buildings in front of you on one side, that again will block your signal and could mean a directional antenna could be better for you. And, if possible, place the antenna on the outside of your window.
Possible dumb question, but hey I don't know. Can you spray paint the Antenna for a blend in color would it affect the signal at all? Also, I wonder how it would work with the Bobcat miner that is currently coming to me soon. Thanks in advance.
Do you sell the cooling fans? I may want to know how I can get one from you since I want to place my miner up in the attic and in Florida it gets hot and humid during the summer. Please advice.
Hi Justin, I live on the third floor of an apartment building. I Currently have a bobcat miner with the stock antenna and I have no witnesses and I'm only earning about $10 a week. Can I use the Rak Wireless antenna with the bobcat miner? Is Rak Wireless better? Let me know what you think.
@@DoItJustinKace It seems like a nice setup as is. I really like the idea of a tripod style stand so I can center the antenna in the open area of the attic and not have to worry about attaching it to the wood.
I would appreciate it so much if you can answer this question for me it would mean the world. When you update your antenna in the helium app when you switch it to a custom antenna but keep it in the same location does it affect your routers productivity or no?
I just did that Rak 8 dBi inside the attic at the peak. I then ran LMR 400 from the antenna to the miner in the house, fishing it down through the wall. I doubt the M1 would survive very long in a Florida attic. I used an online calculator to figure my loss/drop with the cable run and adapters. I'll eventually move it outside after I get some data from it being inside the attic. I have a custom mount built into my chimney for a tv dish I don't use anymore but it's not as high as the attic peak inside. This was a great subject to cover!
how has your rewards changed? Looking to upgrade my 4dbi Bobcat to an 8dbi
@@ryansauer9938 Give me a week to collect a little data and I'll reply back. I'm just getting resynced since the network outage.
Thanks for the advice. Was able to snatch one of the MNTD today so exited
Nice! So many of us failed! Me included!!!
Thank you...by far the best Helium antenna video I have seen.
Thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
I got 2 today from MNtd, gonna follow this man!🙏🏽
Glad to hear it!
"You gonna cry a little bit, go call your mom..." LOL!
Not funny to insult the audience. Thumbs down for that remark.
Glad you enjoy my humor. I guess some do not.
Too many sensitive weenie babies
That was funny....
@@DoItJustinKace very informative. I just bought a 8 DBI antenna before seeing this video. I feel like I was asking myself many of the things you brought up. Thanks for the confirmation. Forget the snowflakes.
When I got my MNTD miner I put it in the corner of my kitchen (~5m high) and it made ~$2-5 a day with the included antenna. When I swapped out an 8dBi antenna in the same position it made ~$7-10 a day. Going to do a roof mount at ~10m once I get the proper materials in, and I expect I'll yield an even greater return. This is such an interesting source of income, I can't help but get exciting trying to keep on top of it all and maximize my earnings.
I went looking and every cell around me seems to be up to a year ago (some a couple months to the 1y) and 30d is around 3-40 dollars. That is a pretty bad ROI. I have a ton of 100 foot tall trees where I live how bad will that affect this LoRa stuff?
@@generalawareness101 This isn't 2.4ghz. LoRa was designed to punch through branches. You're good.
@@DoItJustinKace Nice. I found a nice 9db antenna and would stick that up on the chimney, but no miners available until late spring to early summer. Sad thing is I can't use my credit card for the fraud protection it offers so couple those with needing 50GB per month (until lite hits) this is a dead project for me. I was getting elated since I can't find any GPUs to mine with either (that doesn't cost what a used car costs). I think Crypto is dead right now.
@@generalawareness101 there always the scalper market.
@@DoItJustinKace SOB, the scalpers are selling these too? Oh, well I refuse to pay a terrorist. Thanks though.
This is one of your best videos. It is very clear and well documented.
Thanks. I didn't have any of that data directly in front of me for shooting, so I was a little worried I was going off on a tangent.
Wow, thank you!
"Raining in the dark" sooo funny ... that being said good luck with all your miners 👍
Thanks for the insight ! I have come to the same conclusion as well with my living circumstances.
Just found this and your channel, much appreciate your explanation/information.
Ok great video with numbers supporting. I moved my miner from a congested area to a low miner population at the beach in its own hex for 1.0 BUT doesn’t reach anything so thinking of putting in attic and your video confirmed good choice. Thanks! Just hope you aren’t on the MNTD payroll! 😜
That was fun Justin
So glad I took your advice and got the 8db antenna and put it on the roof. I live in an over saturated hotspot city so scaling rewards are low. This antenna witnesses further hotspots with better scaling. Earnings have gone way up so I’m not regretting buying the hotspot anymore.
Good stuff! Glad I could help!
Any specifics on how much your returns improved?
@@KoLecnac back when I made that video is probably different from what I’m getting now. I mean I used to get 1.6 HNT a day and now it’s like .4 HNT. So it would be a pointless comparison.
Like your videos! I can't wait until tomorrow MNTD.
That was yesterday. And it was a bad day for most :(
I payed the scalpers for a used miner on ebay. Great content, subscribed.
Awesome! Thank you!
i thought it was funny when you showed the 8dbi antenna on camera. that thing was huge! lol
You seem to be knowledgeable and give great information! I just subscribed. Thanks for the info! I also have a Rak MNTD
This is beautiful, thank you for this upload! def smashed the like and subscribed
Thanks for the sub!
Hi, I started mining Helium with a Bobcat Miner with the OEM antenna in a window on the 3rd floor (20m) of an office. I live in a very flat, low height, very populated city and I made no gain adjustments with that setup. I was averaging about 0.30 HNT per day and achieve a personal best of 0.44 HNT superbowl Sunday. Sunday evening an hour before the new UTC day I installed a new 8 Dbi antenna (Bingfu) on a magnetic base (Bingfu) that has a 10ft RG58 cable. I noticed a drop in activity over the course of the super bowl so 5 hours later I changed the gain to 6.2 which accounts for the attenuation for this setup hoping to increase the power sent to the antenna by the minor. The first full day UTC day using the new antenna setup and the combination of gains, yielded my worse performance to date of 0.21 HNT. Any ideas with what's gone wrong. I'm going to let the current setup 8 dbi antenna with 6.2 gain ride for another couple of days but I'm thinking the Bobcat antenna setup might be the better choice. Although, according to every source my 8dbi setup such have increased my witnessnessing significantly. PLEASE HELP!
Are earnings still down?
A possible reason would be that your antenna is now reaching miners in more populated locations, so while you're reaching more of them, your rewards are scaled down because they're in dense locations.
I've also not heard of setting the Dbi in the app by subtracting your loss. I think you're simply supposed to input what your antenna Dbi is by default, and possibly the network or app does the rest of the calculation work.
@@favorites1484 yes, earnings and witnessing were down steadily for three days. Yesterday at 20:00 UTC I switch back to the stock bobcat antenna and immediately you could see the increase in activity. As of close of day, I’ve had my second most profitable day. I believe the BIngfu brand antenna (Amazon choice) is crap quality and doesn’t deliver what is actually stated in the description. You should adjust the antenna gain for the the attenuation or you’ll be under powered. Say you have a 8dbi antenna with a 3 dbi attenuation. You set the gain to 8dbi instead of 5dbi. The miner in the US only sends 27dbm of power to the antenna and will adjust you down. So and setting of 8dbi the miner sends less power because of fed rules. 6dbi get more power. It’s all about the your total power is 27dbm-attenuation+antenna dbi.
Where I live, the 2.3 that came with my GoldSpot was good. I had 16 witnesses after full sync. I then upped it to a 4db (current) and now I have a steady 24 witnesses in which the furthest is 59km away. I'm waiting on my 8dbi to test yet again and see how well I do. I'm in a valley, 2800ft above sea level, so tweaking is fun.
Can that antenna connect to my bobcat?
@@alfredo209ful It should. My kit out of the box came with everything I needed.
Update?
@@JoshTVids nothing too crazy, increased my witnesses but not gains
Even if it's a narrow angle. Let's say you place the antenna at a 10m altitude. The 8dbi antenna has a Vertical Beam Width of 27 degrees. We may assume other antenna's aren't placed on the ground, but let's keep it low at a 2m altitude. This leaves us with +/- 8m height difference and an angle to that point of 13.5 degrees. That would mean that you only can't see those other antenna's within +/- 33.5 meters, which in suburban areas might be just 5 houses further.
lmfao! I finished my antenna in the dark, on a two story house, with a steep roof pitch, in the rain!!! I'm working 6/10s right now and had to get it done 🤷
Great video! #1 Height! My 5.8db antenna is performing much better at 25 feet with 100ft LMR400 and a lightning arrestor (4.3 db loss) than my 4db antenna sitting in my window at 3 feet up (0db loss). Get your antenna up high people, as high as you can regardless of antenna! (properly ground it if outside installation). I run ham radio and my antennas are all in the attic, they reach 20-30 miles UHF. If you want to keep your antenna indoors with a shorter coax run and no lightning arrestor the attic is great and will greatly outperform your antenna a few feet above the ground in your room (as long as you don't have radiant barrier or metal roof/shingles). I am going to swap my 5.8 with the 8db though as I really have no obstructions and want to get a bit further.
Height is key for sure.
would i have to worry about static electricity with no lightning arrestor in the attic? my goal is to run a 15' Cable outside and keep my miner inside. I would then add an arrestor. My problem is i am in the Midwest and we can get below zero temperatures , so an outside box is not likely or else i would do POE.
@@droneographyfromthegroundu8653 How often do you get lightening in your attic? Never! Nothing to worry about.
Thanks so much for this video. Makes perfect sense, and I don’t want to deal with lightning here in South Florida I guess the attic it is lol
Glad it was helpful!
Wow you have 2 gold spot miner. Just subscribe. Thank you for the informations it helps a lot. Mine is a bobcat 300, hoping to arrive it as soon as possible. LOL
Good stuff. Thankyou!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I've got hurricane impact windows, block construction, with a metal roof. I need to get up on my roof and hope for the best.
Attic work IMO.
Just wanted to point out that you may get better penetration mounting to a wall as opposed to windows..just something to consider..
Avoid studs, avoid aluminum siding but if it's drywall and plaster or thin facing brick you may find a better signal as opposed to some windows that are coated , double paned or has inaccessible screens .. just food for thought. Also those numbers look a bit high for some materials..I guess it's better to er upwards
I’m going to assume the attic would be a no go for a roof that has solar panels.
Man I tried for a hour for the mntd drop today. Didn’t get any. Have nebra and syncrobit still on way. Only have my rak lol tried installing the 5.8dbi antenna. But the network is down
Nice vid!
Amazing Job bro, I was going to get a 5.8dbi one but this video made me change my mind.
I live in a 3rd floor and have no way to go to the roof. Is it ok if I mount the antenna outside next to my window or in the balcony?
Hey Justin can you make a video of your rak set up - located behind you ;)
Not sure what you mean. That’s just something I 3D printed.
You’ve convinced me fuvk the 4 dbi
Yep. Upgrade! Made a new video on it today!
@@DoItJustinKace I can update since I made that comment I have 2 8dbi antennas at 5 and 10m now thanks 🙏🏽
Love your video. So tired of hearing all the Helium experts talk about over shooting. Lol
Those guys are definitely not experts. And I live in places with hills and valleys so I agree it's important to know what you are aiming for.
I wondered how you can be so focused in every video. I see the case of Mountain Dew behind you. I wonder no more.
I currently live down from you and my mntd communicates with yours. I am going to try moving my antenna to the attic if not the roof. Plus I'm upgrading from 3dbi to 8. Hope to improve our neighborhood earnings
Sounds like a plan. Do you you witness me or do I witness you?
POE will solve your power issue like you said at the end
I am trying to put my attena up a bit higher and I hope its going to get me more rewards
Hi there …thanks for all the info on your videos…questions: If I place the antenna inside the attic…..it has to be grounded ? Thanks 🙏🏻
It’s no wonder why my the set up I have at my mother in law house isn’t making any money .. it’s literally 6 sides of brick and I can’t mount it outdoors !
Attic!
Currently running 5.8 dbi @ 39 meters to a blue tooth miner 824% gain running lrm600 50ft I think there's one equation everyone needs to consider no homes in general are at sea level this system is like being a pilot you need to work elevation as the ctow flies . 5.8 dbi I sm reaching 400m away.
Also lightning arrestor cost is 200.00 do not buy on Amazon. Supply electrical only ul rated 200 to 300 volt.
Your loss is awesome. I am going to design my own antenna I am going to use 4 gage solid core stretched wire at 18" long it should create 8 dbi with an omni it won't be in fiberglass but in carbon fiber.
You have to account for loss to get 120 to 824 percent gains
Lrm 400 works fine at 35 ft of cable
Also if you want to utelize two antennas with a powered Gain you can set it to .02 gain to a .06 positive gain .
How much does it cost 450.00 for the antenna
got two 8dBi from RAK yesterday. now just waiting for my miners
Perfect plan!
@@DoItJustinKace hello, why would helium decrease the transmit power on a higher gain antenna. It doesn't serve their purpose if they want deployment and coverage
@@williamjonson6845 I know it makes no sense, and better yet how do they even know or do they get too good of a signal and drop your output power?
@@generalawareness101 you have to enter type of antenna
@@williamjonson6845 Well, I would just lie then. All a moot point since I can't get any and by the time that I could, will be no profit from it. Besides I don't buy anything with crypto as I like by fraud protection my credit card offers.
I'm thinking about doing an attic antenna install, do you recommend it? I live in the city not sure if it's worth installing outside. 5.8dbi
Where did you get that gooseneck clamp stand and your stands in the background?
Hey Justin, I live in Colorado up in foco and was excited to see your videos! Great job! Im new to this and wanted to get your thoughts on recommended router and antenna for this area that won't take forever to ship. I appreciate your expertise and help. Thanks brotha!
I'm thinking of getting into this but there are only 4 Hotspots in my area and they are all brown. The blues are almost 100km away. Is it still worth while? How can I help get the Hotspots in my area to be blue so we can all earn more?
instead of trying to punch thru building walls, why not go over the building? im new to this thing but i think i will try the 5.8dBi first. living in apartment is really bad for mining.
To add to your list. Double glazed argon gas filled windows uv protection is impossible to get thru. Not sure what ingredient from the windows is worse but Closed window no witnesses for a week. I opened my window for 8 witnesses that day. With a 5.8 dbi antenna 10 meters up with no no line of sight obstacles
Thanks for the information. I assume that's a window at at your work and not a window at your house? I'll definitely research it.
Hi Justin always a pleasure watching your content. Definitely one of the best and informative out of all helium you tubers and I’m subbed to quite a few. Your take on 8dbi for every scenario has got my attention since I thought in the suburbs a 3 or 5 dbi was optimal thru youtubers ive listened to. Not 1 has ever said 8 dbi by the window. Do you use the cable that came with the 8dbi or do u buy the lmr400 in the attic set up. Cause I’ll be putting mine in the attic. Thx buddy
Thanks for your comments. I use the pigtail that comes with the antenna. I know some people choose to buy shorter ones of possible less than 12"
I'd do your own testing, I gained two witnesses switching from 8dbi to 6dbi. And that pigtail is about .9dbi loss which equates to about 10 percent of the transmit power to your antenna, my 25 ft LMR 400 cable has 1.1dbi loss for reference. That's the reason people get the shorter ones or switch to LMR cables. You might not need LMR400, LMR240 for shorter runs is actually a better choice. Find a good antenna, RAK is OK, Rokland has better performace on paper and of course there more expensive ones. I picked Rokland for performace, price and shipping timelines. For my situation elevation is the main objective but I live in a flat area and overpasses stop my signal. Both my 8dbi and 6 dbi reach the same hotspots at 40 miles. Good luck gents!
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@@JBennett530 So your saying the LMR400 cables are better and you end up losing less DBI by using them?
Good stuff, man. Thanks! My miner is a few km away and is witnessing yours. We should probably set up a meetup of Arvada miners or something... :) I would love to connect and chat.
Lets do it. What miner is that? We should get a bunch of people to meetup in downtown Arvada.
@@DoItJustinKace My replies keeps disappearing... maybe because I'm trying to propose ways we could connect and chat and youtube wants to keep us here. :)
Why not a 12 dbi? Isn’t that better than a 8dbi?
Small towns is where its at.
Agreed! Farming community might be awesome.
Can you do a video of your mounting setup behind you?
would love to know exactly how you have that antenna set up back there, with the miner hooked to the side(how?), and the fan that i see. thank you! great video!
My fullkit design www.thingiverse.com/thing:5102429/files
New subscriber and new to mining in general. I just purchased my first helium miner, FreedomFI 5G, and was looking into purchasing my first antenna. Right now I'm looking at the McGill omni 6 dbi 915 and LMR-400 Antenna cabling for an exterior mount at the peak of my inverted V shape roof, roughly 23-30 ft. from the ground level with eve side mounting pole when all said and done. My question to you is I haven't decided the location to place the miner just yet but was considering two options. Option 1) My bedroom where my home and ISP routers reside OR option 2) the attic.
If I place the miner in my bedroom my Anttena cabling length will be 25-30 ft with an efficacy of 79.3% (roughly 80%). If I place the miner in the attic near the ventilation port my Antenna cable run to the outside eve location will only be 4-5 ft. with a rating of 95.6% according to McGills calculator (lots of work/home modification going this route). My problem is there is no electricity or internet connection in the attic and all that has to be run before getting my minor setup for that. On paper, these percentage differences seem like a huge reduction of signal loss but wasn't really sure if my laziness to just run the cabling from my bedroom where power and internet reside would cost me much in witnessing profitability. I plan on getting on board with the 5G when it's running. That's going to be costly taking a look at all that's involved in the investment aspect. Hoping that I can mine enough now to cover a portion of that. Basically, the antenna I purchase now will be useless in the future when I move to 5G, but I suppose I could reuse it if I purchase a second minor and place it at a different grid location (family/Friends House). I'm also hoping that when 5g comes about that I can take advantage of living 1 block away from the mall and all the restaurants and businesses around it (planning ahead).
Also just for informational purposes, do you know if there is some loss in signal strength when joining two short cables together with a barrel connection to make one longer antenna cable? Can't seem to find any documentation on that.
I haven't received my minor just yet, should be here tomorrow but with that said below is my competition within my Hex. Can you let me know how If I'm going about this right with all that I have laid out.
Soft Pearl Hyena
High Parchment Rooster
Melodic Lilac Pony
Thanks for your help, loving your content.
To answer your question - yes there is more loss thru the connectors that are added when you "join" to short cables together.
I CHANCE MY ANTENNA ON MY BOBCAT HOW MANY HOURS IT WILL NEED MY NEW ANTENNA TO START MAKING WORK I AM 7 HOURS WITH 0 HNT AFTER I CHANCE MY STOCK TO 8 DPI IS NORMAL?
So I’m placing antenna on a 100’ tower. Going with LMR600 and a 8dbi antenna. Placing router and miner on the ground so I can access easily.
How much LMR600 cable would that be?
Maybe a 5.8 dbi antenna at that height and a PoE setup for internet and power would be better.
About 150’ of cable. But if I use PoE that means placing miner off the ground and if I ever need to get to miner I have to have pay a company to go get it. Owner of tower will not let me on it do to safety and liability.
@@DoItJustinKace see comment below. Didn’t hit reply.
What about a metal roof?!
Good video and I am looking to swap out my 5.8 for a 8dbi however won’t the 8 overshoot all the hotspots closer to me? Most people steer away from a 8dbi for this reason. I want to try one but am reluctant at the same time.
Are the new LITE Miners worth getting and available? Where? Do they earn half what a Bobcat would at the same location (since they cost half as much)
Were you able to get in on the job today with MNTD!?
how do you keep the miner cool on hot summer days in an attic? Also wouldn't LMR-600 have even less loss?
What do you think about McGill antennas, they are better optimized and higher quality. It's sayd to earn 7% more HNT.
The McGill antennas are "optimized" - do you have any idea what that means? Do you own one? If you DO own one does it make more HNT than the previous antenna that you were using?
Anyone have numbers on the before/after returns when moving from inside to the roof?
How bad is it to start in an area where you are the first to do it and the next hotspots are like several miles away? I'm from the Philippines.
I have got a 12 dbi live in the uk thinking bigger is better will the system lower it to 9 dbi automatically
@HODLHelium Great video! Would recommend a 8dBi antenna for an antenna mounted outside of my condo balcony door window on the 5th floor?
Nice stack of mntd miners, wish the order process was better. Sat there for the drop just to not get one. Anyone else in the same boat?
Everyone. Including me.
I know I'm super late to this video, but just getting into helium and checking everything out.
Was just curious what kind of stick stand is that you use for the antenna and miner?
What antena u choose on 20 and 30m high roof with clear view?
So do I understand it right? I should place the miner inside in the attic and the antenna on the roof? Moreover, the best thing would be if not only my antenna ranges a8 dBi, but also all the others that I witness or witness me. Thank you.
3 hours? I've waited 7 damn months for my bobcat miner. not a damn thing.
Hey Justin, cool channel, happy to see your success. Just wondering if you think us Canadian could get into helium mining, I looked up my address and there isn’t many green helix around me. Does it mean my area isn’t profitable or it could be an opportunity
I hard to say. Depends on how many houses you can get into. I say if you can get 18 hotspots in 18 houses over 300m apart and able to beacon each other, then you have a huge opportunity. But if you just have one hotspot and no others around you, it’s not worth your time.
So how are you setting up these arrangements? Are you splitting the coin with them or paying them a fee for having it in their house or just selling them the devices and installation?
help me decide if i should get a 8 dbi or 10dbi rokland antenna? thanks in advance
Sell me one of those GoldSpot Miners, tried twice and no luck so far.
Ha! $1500!
Justin, thank for the nice content, am in Europa here antenna gain here for POc v11 is 4, 1dbi, but my Problem is the nearest Hotspots to me is about 14km upward to 60km, what can you can u suggest in this Situation? And you send me the links of antena lost through Glass, brick and wall etc as u Shown in your video;-) greetings from Germany
Does having a solar panel lessens the gain?
Where you got the stand from
I don't want to die.
Window it is.
Does this work for Freedonfi miners also?
Hello, I am really thinking about getting one. I live on the 7th floor in a building. I am not sure which antenna would be the best for me. Could you please give me some recommendation? Thanks
Is it just in the window on the 7th floor? Or on a balcony? At work or home? How thick is the glass?
@@DoItJustinKace it’s in my home, window of 7th floor. There are like 2 half inch glasses. The miner is inside of the window. Just sitting on the end of the window.
Already I worry about that much glass. Never heard of a 2” glass window tho. Sounds heavy. You there that’s not just triple pane or something? Maybe try an 5.8 being in the second floor.
I need 8 Dbi Omni Directional Antenna I'll place above 14th floor roof top. IND 865 Mhz
Depends on the size of the building and 'line of sight'. E.g. if there are several walls between, the signal will definitely not go through it. Then you can only send and receive in a certain direction. When there are tall buildings in front of you on one side, that again will block your signal and could mean a directional antenna could be better for you. And, if possible, place the antenna on the outside of your window.
Possible dumb question, but hey I don't know. Can you spray paint the Antenna for a blend in color would it affect the signal at all? Also, I wonder how it would work with the Bobcat miner that is currently coming to me soon. Thanks in advance.
Justin! Benta ka ng sarili mong accessories?
Do you sell the cooling fans? I may want to know how I can get one from you since I want to place my miner up in the attic and in Florida it gets hot and humid during the summer. Please advice.
I received my Freedomfi miner and has only minder $1.20 in three weeks. Do these antennas work for Freedonfi 5G miners as well?
think solar panels on the roof would cause any signal issues for me mounting in the attic?
In the direction of the solar panels for sure.
How much you lose with longer cable than 5meters LMR400 ? Or can you suggest any cable from which is not losing that much dBi if it's 5-10metters
I dont know how to use the referral code
Bro how do I get a MNTD in the US??
Hi Justin, I live on the third floor of an apartment building. I Currently have a bobcat miner with the stock antenna and I have no witnesses and I'm only earning about $10 a week. Can I use the Rak Wireless antenna with the bobcat miner? Is Rak Wireless better? Let me know what you think.
What do you have mounted on your tripod to attach your antenna? Do you have a link of the product? Thanks from the Netherlands
Where can I get those stands behind you? Wanting to place mine in the attic, and something like that would be great. Thanks.
I was working on a new version of them. One where the RAK didn't need to be screwed into place. Would that make more sense?
@@DoItJustinKace It seems like a nice setup as is. I really like the idea of a tripod style stand so I can center the antenna in the open area of the attic and not have to worry about attaching it to the wood.
Is 8 dbi 4 meter is good or i should be at 6 or 7 meter height?
Are the cables that I buy LMR-400 on your link?
You have any miners you want to sell? I can’t find one anywhere.
No, I have 6 potential locations still. Trying to make them happen.
If I have an 8dbi antenna and want to dial it back to 5.8, would that work or would I have to buy a tuned 5.8?
If my house is very densely populated w other miners, would upgrading the antenna help at all? Right now it is at just 1.2dBi.
I would appreciate it so much if you can answer this question for me it would mean the world. When you update your antenna in the helium app when you switch it to a custom antenna but keep it in the same location does it affect your routers productivity or no?