Batik Air used to be an actual full service with hot meal service on 1 hr domestic flights. Ever since the pandemic they downgraded quite badly now only serving bread and water. The IFE is also hit or miss. Sometimes it works sometimes it don't.
Speaking of the runway issue in Jakarta, it was quite bad back then. GA used to operate flights to Europe but had to stop at Singapore. Today the runway has been mostly upgraded but the issue still exist, currently GA operate flights to Amsterdam non stop but the flight is not that full. There’s also examples of the runway issue taking an effect on European Carriers serving Indonesia. Back in 2011, Lufthansa launched flights from Frankfurt to Jakarta via Singapore or Kuala Lumpur using either the A340 or the 747. Air Framce operates their Triple 7 via Singapore back then and KLM operating via Kuala Lumpur. So yeah the runway issue is really a big issue here, but the goverment just loves to do corruption and delay everything. So yeah..
i'm illiterate to this kind of business but is it possible they just intendedely not upgrading to favor the rute/transit from other nation thus the "corruption/lobby from other nation"?
Indonesia…so many possibilities, so many missed opportunities….I have flown Batik Air a couple of times now, nothing special, but never had a bad experience. Thank you for the review 🙏🏼
That rating you spoke about, GA flew all their routes to Europe via Singapore. Back in the day, it was not uncommon in the evenings to see several GA 747-200s parked in Changi on their way to Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Munich. I'm pretty sure they made one more stop in Dhahran as well then. I've personally flown this sector with Batik in business. So I got to experience the full works of lounge access, priority boarding, meal was decent as well.
I agree that that's not really full service. I recently flew KLM from SIN to DPS, and with SIA from SGN to SIN to CGK. On all three of those sectors, I selected the window seat I wanted, and was served a full hot meal. That's full service.
I flew Batik domestic recently because I have no other choices, and when my friend mentioned that "Batik is a full service" I was really really shocked like, "THAT WAS FULL SERVICE??? Jeez I wonder what budget looks like LOL" 🤣🤣🤣 I also got the the same snack as you, and the same ticket price (or slightly more expensive despite it's a local route) 😩. Tho I'm glad the flight attendances were nice and super helpful.
Have tried Batik air (back when it was still called malindo air) for Singapore to India via KL, business class fares were close to Indigo economy. their reliability is hit and miss, frequent delays but if you dont mind that, is pretty value for money for a budget business class experience, comparable to scoot.
Yeah, to my knowledge I believe Garuda is flying nonstop to AMS at the moment, but my guess is they need to do so with a decent chunk of seats unoccupied to make the trip.
Anyway, dont you think that Batik Air is in the same category of most US (full service carrier) like American, Delta, United? You will not get a complimentary meals on those US carrier in coach class for flight duration less than 5 hours, correct?
Kemayoran Airport is not the first commercial airport in Dutch East Indies, let alone Jakarta (or when it was called Batavia). Halim Perdanakusuma Airport is actually the first commercial airport in Batavia when it was opened in 1924, then it was called Vliegveld Tjililitan after the area where it was located. Commercial traffic moved to Kemayoran in 1940, and interestingly the international traffic moved back to Halim in 1974 when Kemayoran was deemed to small. Tjililitan Airport for some time was the terminus of the world's longest flight, Amsterdam to Batavia, before Qantas and Imperial Airways started the London to Australia flight.
Wild you don't get to choose your seats. I flew Batik at the start of the year. I absolutely chose my seats. Can never get bored of that landing in singapore airport xD.
i flew Batik Indonesia from DPS to DMK 3 weeks ago, and i could choose the seat upon web check-in. even the domestic flight, seat selection is available upon web check-in for most of the route
Batik air has been one of those airlines that I always wanted to try, but always miss due to timing and other stuff. Also technically batik is a "hybrid" airline anyway - they have pushed that messaging since week 1 I think.
I agree they are a hybrid, but everything I've ever read about them has pointed to them (and formerly Malindo) as being a full service carrier. To my knowledge Lion Group only changed the tune on this a short while ago when they changed the in flight food offerings.
Yeah, I consider Batik a hybrid carrier more than anything, but I guess that’s what’s price sensitive country that needs a ton of air service, like Indonesia, needs. They don’t need and probably can’t afford Garuda all the time, so a hybrid airline that meets in the middle is great. Those seats at least looked a hell much nicer than Super Air Jet. Also, that check-in agent that discouraged you from upgrading, shows they are smart in ensuring you become a repeat customer… 😂
I've flown Batik from Perth to Bali and back last year. They're actually not bad. On-time performance is good, and pretty good seats. Only thing is that some aircraft don't have IFE. Apparantly this is due to the IFE manufacturer going out of business, but then getting a new one around 2018, but not bothering to retrofit their older aircraft, but their oldest aircraft do have it. I flew to with PK-LUG which didn't have IFE, just a moveable placeholder, and flew back with PK-LUZ, which did. But tbh they barely had anything in them anyway. Basically a roll of the dice whether you have it or not. Also they only had buy on board available. Not even water for free. And cash only as well. Ordered a coke and it was warm. Tasted disgusting. Overall it was good-ish. Definitely inconsistent in terms of IFE, and not even accepting card? What year is it. But otherwise good flights. They're definitely not 'full service', but they're the closest you're gonna get for PER-DPS. Only carrier to offer business class as well. Until Garuda/Qantas/VA offer flights to/from Bali from Perth (which I expect they won't do anytime soon), they're your best bet if you want a 'no frills' experience.
Hmmm yeah… well at least you got there safely Kevin.. They had a short stint of flying ex Adelaide to KL which I travelled on in business which I thought was more than respectable but MH has really cornered that market daily so it ended - great video as always and that traffic !! What the hell was that .. looked like the COVID era
Great review Kevin!!, anyway i flown Batik Air internationally once and it was horrible, a 3-hour flight with no inflight entertainment like yours had (they had it built in, but didn’t bother to turn it on) and just a classic bread and water.
Last year I had a round-trip flight between Jakarta and Singapore with Boeing 737-800 instead of Airbus A320-200 operated by Batik Air. Such a rare opportunity
Their service has declined in the past year. They used to be a full-service airline, but now they seem closer to a hybrid between full service and low cost. When I flew with them in 2023 to Medan, they only served us bread and nothing else. Since then, we haven't flown with them again and have chosen Garuda instead. In contrast, we flew to Bali with Garuda in June and they provided a hot meal on both of our flights. We're interested in trying TransNusa, though. I've seen videos about them, and they seem to be improving steadily, potentially competing with Garuda in the future.
Youre lucky you got IFE. Most of the time you will probably end up in one of their plane that was like ex Cathay or ex Garuda which has IFE, but is not functioning anymore.
Lack long haul route is more due to Indonesian Airlines focus more on Domestic and regional routes. Garuda try to expand long haul routes in 90's or even last decade. Not really work out. Lion Group has no intention so far to move more then regional routes. You can't become hub for long haul destinations if your own airliners did not want to do it. Dubai has Emirates, Singapore has SIA, Istanbul has Turkish Airlines, and Doha has Qatar Airlines. You need your own domestic airlines to invest on long haul to bring the demand volume, if not no point for the Airports invest on Long Haul infrastructures. Direct routes to Euro zone and North America is not simply big enough (from Indonesian domestic demands) relative to Regional Asian-Australian routes. Yes there're thousands of Indonesian that goes to Europe and North America but the volume is small compare to those Indonesian that goes to Asia-Australian routes. Which's why Garuda prefere to do code sharing with Turkish, Emirates or SIA for routes to Europe and North America.
No, it is the issue due the runway. Still remember when Garuda tried to serve route Jakarta - London. At that last minute, they have realized that Soekarno Hatta' runway is not strong enough to hold full weight of Garuda' plane served Jakarta to London So, this reason why Garuda still opened route Jakarta London but make little adjustment with transit in Amsterdam. As runway cant handle full fuel to make journey Jakarta London.
Runways restrictions is part reflection of lack long haul demands for direct routes to Europe and North America. Even to Amsterdam only been done by Garuda, while KLM doing it with stop over in KL. For Airport it is chicken and egg dilemma. They don't want to invest on better runway grade if there's no enough demand for the flight routes that deemed justified the investment. Jakarta to London direct routes has been taken. However the load is not big enough, that Garuda then decide to add Singapore stop over. Thus it is still shown the runway can do London direct routes, even with some restrictions. Then again the airport then will not going to invest more if they don't see enough demands for longer direct routes from Jakarta. So it is in the end Chicken and Egg dilemma stories. It is Investment justification on there.
I'm glad you had a reasonable experience although yes the lack of seat selection is really annoying. We recently flew their ex Malindo Air service from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur in Business Class. It was going really well until just before landing I realised there had been no food or meal service. When I asked the answer was confusing and when I emailed to ask what happened they told me that they had been round every passenger and I had declined food and drink 😐 Good video 👍
Batik Air used to be a full service airline which provides heavy meal in flights, however since covid Batik Air started to change and became a "hybrid" airline which somehow still provides meal but then only bread and water.
Another airline I've never heard of before!I believe that Singapore and Malaysian are the only south east Asian airlines I have been on.Oh forgot one Royal Brunei!
Indonesia's national airline is Garuda Indonesia which struggles financially but it's very pleasant to fly on. Garuda has a good LCC called Citilink. A major LCC is Lion Air which has this "full service" subsidiary Batik.
Not sure if the in-video comment about CGK runways not being able to handle 777 is correct. In fact, Singapore Airlines regularly used 777 for CGK route before their fleet switchover to 350.
@@tfft Garuda Indonesia as late as October 2019 managed to operate 777 flights from Jakarta to London nonstop , and considering it can take planes as far flung from Istanbul with Turkish A350s, Jakarta seems capable for those ultra long haul arrivals. It's just that not a whole lot of airlines bother flying to CGK when there's more potential in nearby SIN, not to mention the only airline that could realistically operate said flights would be Garuda, an airline that is still trying to recover (and failing) from their losses.
@@tfft Ah, but the Hajj flights each carrying 400+ pax (typically using leased 747) fly out of CGK every year to Saudi Arabia - surely these are heavy flights. I get that CGK may suffer from missed opportunities. I do think that has more to do with the quality (and safety) of Indonesian airlines, which are sadly not up to par with regional powerhouses like Singapore Airlines.
I flew Batik Air from Jakarta to Perth earlier this year, and got the same “full service”, on a 4 hour flight. Not even any additional water offered throughout the flight. Although the flight only cost around $120USD, so hard to complain really.
try 'batik air' service between DPS and BKK. for 4hrs flight you will get the same bread and water. no other service. they have sales on board but food is limited to cup noodle and only cash in rupiah is accepted. also the IFE dont work at all.
Stop teasing us with the Park Hyatt Bangkok review in the intro. I’m looking forward to that one since we were considering staying there, but opted for the Kimpton (also based on your review).
Had you flown the barrage of second-hand planes that Batik Air had...I would surely think that your experience might not be as pleasant. Some have Lumexis IFEs, some have Safran Rave IFEs, one has Thales IFEs, some have no IFEs at all and...they basically chunk in any kinds of seats. Collins Pinnacle, Collins Spectrum, Recaro CL3510, Safran Z85/3134, and more. They're just too inconsistent as a FSC. I even consider them to be Indonesia's Jetblue at best...
Landasan pacu soekarno hatta sudah diperbaiki dan dikuatkan saat pembangunan Runway ke 3. Namun permintaan rute penerbangan jarak jauh Eropa, Amerika, Afrika sangat kecil. Berbeda dengan Bali, banyak maskapai Eropa ingin terbang kesana. Namun untuk mendapatkan jadwal sangat susah karena jadwal yang padat. Faktanya sebelum pandemi Covid. Lion air group mendominasi jadwal Bandara Bali. Sehingga maskapai Asing seperti Emirates, Qatar tidak bisa mendapatkan jadwal yang bagus bahkan sulit mendapat jadwal terbang. Maskapai Asia, Eropa, India, Eropa, Timur Tengah sekarang banyak membuka penerbangan ke Bali. Karena Lion Air Group Mengurangi jadwal karena kekurangan pesawat saat pandemi Covid dan insiden Boeing Max 8. Padahal saat itu Lion Air Group memesan banyak Boeing Max 8, 9, 10 untuk expansi bisnis dan menggantikan pesawat 737-800/900 tua mereka.
Nice content but I have to say I disagree with your information about Indonesian traveling abroad mostly prefer connecting flight, long haul flight demand in Indonesia is very low, Air France and Lufthansa fly here but they ended up terminating the route because of the load factor. Those folks in Singapore Airlines may argue about that but statistics make the picture more clear, you will hardly meet Indonesian in Europe, the American continent, Africa, Indonesian diaspora mostly found in neighboring ASEAN countries, Hongkong, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, also some Middle Eastern countries such as Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Egypt, they can also commonly found in Australia, you can also see a big Indonesian community in The Netherlands, but outside of these countries I mentioned, you will hardly find Indonesian community, I was living in Italy for 3 months and I only met Indonesian at the embassy in Rome. So yeah, the demographic of Indonesian diaspora really explained why the demand for long haul flight from Jakarta is utterly low.
Similar to PH, foreign carriers often have trouble operating to Indonesia bc of VFF style yield much more so than load factor. They could fill the planes quite easily if they wanted to- but likely not for the revenue they’re looking for.
@@tfft I also need to add a point that the reason why terminal 4 hasn't started yet is because the airport hasn't reached its capacity, at the moment you fly out of there, 3 sub terminals are actually close, in terminal 1, only terminal 1A and in terminal 2, only 2E and 2F operating in which terminal 2F now serving international LCC flight. This is also somehow what makes Batik Air doesn't feel like a full service is because they fly out of Terminal 2 instead of 3. So with terminals 1B, 1C and 2D are closed now for refurbishment with no exact deadline, it's obvious the airport doesn't need a new terminal.
Jakarta is slowly sinking this may be a reason why the runways have a poor rating, there are being a new capital city for Indonesia on Borneo but its behind schedule.
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Nice description of the Jakarta runway quality issue. Not something other youtubers would care to know much about.
Appreciate that!
Batik Air used to be an actual full service with hot meal service on 1 hr domestic flights. Ever since the pandemic they downgraded quite badly now only serving bread and water. The IFE is also hit or miss. Sometimes it works sometimes it don't.
Are you trying to get the collection of the Lion Air group infinity stones... I mean airlines
Something like that lol
Speaking of the runway issue in Jakarta, it was quite bad back then. GA used to operate flights to Europe but had to stop at Singapore. Today the runway has been mostly upgraded but the issue still exist, currently GA operate flights to Amsterdam non stop but the flight is not that full. There’s also examples of the runway issue taking an effect on European Carriers serving Indonesia. Back in 2011, Lufthansa launched flights from Frankfurt to Jakarta via Singapore or Kuala Lumpur using either the A340 or the 747. Air Framce operates their Triple 7 via Singapore back then and KLM operating via Kuala Lumpur. So yeah the runway issue is really a big issue here, but the goverment just loves to do corruption and delay everything. So yeah..
i'm illiterate to this kind of business but is it possible they just intendedely not upgrading to favor the rute/transit from other nation thus the "corruption/lobby from other nation"?
Indonesia…so many possibilities, so many missed opportunities….I have flown Batik Air a couple of times now, nothing special, but never had a bad experience. Thank you for the review 🙏🏼
Yeah, that sums them up well!
That rating you spoke about, GA flew all their routes to Europe via Singapore. Back in the day, it was not uncommon in the evenings to see several GA 747-200s parked in Changi on their way to Amsterdam, Frankfurt, Munich. I'm pretty sure they made one more stop in Dhahran as well then. I've personally flown this sector with Batik in business. So I got to experience the full works of lounge access, priority boarding, meal was decent as well.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
I agree that that's not really full service. I recently flew KLM from SIN to DPS, and with SIA from SGN to SIN to CGK. On all three of those sectors, I selected the window seat I wanted, and was served a full hot meal. That's full service.
Exactly.
I flown on their domestic flights from Jakarta to Bali in business class. Got a semi hot meal, but the quality is lacking.
I flew Batik domestic recently because I have no other choices, and when my friend mentioned that "Batik is a full service" I was really really shocked like, "THAT WAS FULL SERVICE??? Jeez I wonder what budget looks like LOL" 🤣🤣🤣 I also got the the same snack as you, and the same ticket price (or slightly more expensive despite it's a local route) 😩. Tho I'm glad the flight attendances were nice and super helpful.
Have tried Batik air (back when it was still called malindo air) for Singapore to India via KL, business class fares were close to Indigo economy. their reliability is hit and miss, frequent delays but if you dont mind that, is pretty value for money for a budget business class experience, comparable to scoot.
Yah, they are still a separate airline from Batik Indo, from what I've seen Batik Malay is a bit more reliable.
I was just watching your video on Super Air Jet and saw you uploaded this 9 min ago. What a coincidence 😂
As Lion Air intended lol
I love your videos so much
Explains why even KLM flies to CGK via KUL despite the cultural and colonial links.
Yeah, to my knowledge I believe Garuda is flying nonstop to AMS at the moment, but my guess is they need to do so with a decent chunk of seats unoccupied to make the trip.
right that kinda hurts 🙂 since British don't fly to jakarta
Thanks for the background information, really adds to the video! Enjoying these ones
genuinely loved and appreciated the crash course on Indonesian aviation and restrictions on CGK
thanks Kevin
Glad you enjoyed!
Anyway, dont you think that Batik Air is in the same category of most US (full service carrier) like American, Delta, United? You will not get a complimentary meals on those US carrier in coach class for flight duration less than 5 hours, correct?
I used them in summer several times. Were great. Just a bit weird with online seats, checkin , as u say.
Yeah, you'd think such a big airline group would be... good at the online experience.
Kemayoran Airport is not the first commercial airport in Dutch East Indies, let alone Jakarta (or when it was called Batavia). Halim Perdanakusuma Airport is actually the first commercial airport in Batavia when it was opened in 1924, then it was called Vliegveld Tjililitan after the area where it was located. Commercial traffic moved to Kemayoran in 1940, and interestingly the international traffic moved back to Halim in 1974 when Kemayoran was deemed to small.
Tjililitan Airport for some time was the terminus of the world's longest flight, Amsterdam to Batavia, before Qantas and Imperial Airways started the London to Australia flight.
Wild you don't get to choose your seats. I flew Batik at the start of the year. I absolutely chose my seats. Can never get bored of that landing in singapore airport xD.
Curious if you flew Batik Indo or Malay?
i flew Batik Indonesia from DPS to DMK 3 weeks ago, and i could choose the seat upon web check-in. even the domestic flight, seat selection is available upon web check-in for most of the route
Batik air has been one of those airlines that I always wanted to try, but always miss due to timing and other stuff. Also technically batik is a "hybrid" airline anyway - they have pushed that messaging since week 1 I think.
I agree they are a hybrid, but everything I've ever read about them has pointed to them (and formerly Malindo) as being a full service carrier. To my knowledge Lion Group only changed the tune on this a short while ago when they changed the in flight food offerings.
Singapore and Changi is the top of my bucket list. Maybe 2026. Great vid Thanks Kevin!
Agree with the ‘long haul connectivity’ part of soekarno-hatta.
Appreciate that!
Yeah, I consider Batik a hybrid carrier more than anything, but I guess that’s what’s price sensitive country that needs a ton of air service, like Indonesia, needs. They don’t need and probably can’t afford Garuda all the time, so a hybrid airline that meets in the middle is great. Those seats at least looked a hell much nicer than Super Air Jet. Also, that check-in agent that discouraged you from upgrading, shows they are smart in ensuring you become a repeat customer… 😂
Thanks for watching 🩴
Awesome sunset takeoff!
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
That looked and sounded like a very very smooth landing!
It was!
I've flown Batik from Perth to Bali and back last year. They're actually not bad. On-time performance is good, and pretty good seats.
Only thing is that some aircraft don't have IFE.
Apparantly this is due to the IFE manufacturer going out of business, but then getting a new one around 2018, but not bothering to retrofit their older aircraft, but their oldest aircraft do have it.
I flew to with PK-LUG which didn't have IFE, just a moveable placeholder, and flew back with PK-LUZ, which did. But tbh they barely had anything in them anyway. Basically a roll of the dice whether you have it or not.
Also they only had buy on board available. Not even water for free.
And cash only as well. Ordered a coke and it was warm. Tasted disgusting.
Overall it was good-ish. Definitely inconsistent in terms of IFE, and not even accepting card? What year is it. But otherwise good flights.
They're definitely not 'full service', but they're the closest you're gonna get for PER-DPS. Only carrier to offer business class as well.
Until Garuda/Qantas/VA offer flights to/from Bali from Perth (which I expect they won't do anytime soon), they're your best bet if you want a 'no frills' experience.
Thanks for sharing ✈️
Hmmm yeah… well at least you got there safely Kevin.. They had a short stint of flying ex Adelaide to KL which I travelled on in business which I thought was more than respectable but MH has really cornered that market daily so it ended - great video as always and that traffic !! What the hell was that .. looked like the COVID era
Great review Kevin!!, anyway i flown Batik Air internationally once and it was horrible, a 3-hour flight with no inflight entertainment like yours had (they had it built in, but didn’t bother to turn it on) and just a classic bread and water.
I probably would have preferred the classic bread lol
I challenge myself to press the like button before you remind us! 😊
Thanks for that!
Last year I had a round-trip flight between Jakarta and Singapore with Boeing 737-800 instead of Airbus A320-200 operated by Batik Air. Such a rare opportunity
Their service has declined in the past year. They used to be a full-service airline, but now they seem closer to a hybrid between full service and low cost. When I flew with them in 2023 to Medan, they only served us bread and nothing else. Since then, we haven't flown with them again and have chosen Garuda instead.
In contrast, we flew to Bali with Garuda in June and they provided a hot meal on both of our flights. We're interested in trying TransNusa, though. I've seen videos about them, and they seem to be improving steadily, potentially competing with Garuda in the future.
What a magnificent sunset 🌅
are you flying a british airways 787-10 in first class from london heathrow to kuwait city?
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Youre lucky you got IFE. Most of the time you will probably end up in one of their plane that was like ex Cathay or ex Garuda which has IFE, but is not functioning anymore.
Another great info video!
Thanks for watching 🩴
Thank You ✈️
Lack long haul route is more due to Indonesian Airlines focus more on Domestic and regional routes. Garuda try to expand long haul routes in 90's or even last decade. Not really work out. Lion Group has no intention so far to move more then regional routes.
You can't become hub for long haul destinations if your own airliners did not want to do it. Dubai has Emirates, Singapore has SIA, Istanbul has Turkish Airlines, and Doha has Qatar Airlines.
You need your own domestic airlines to invest on long haul to bring the demand volume, if not no point for the Airports invest on Long Haul infrastructures.
Direct routes to Euro zone and North America is not simply big enough (from Indonesian domestic demands) relative to Regional Asian-Australian routes.
Yes there're thousands of Indonesian that goes to Europe and North America but the volume is small compare to those Indonesian that goes to Asia-Australian routes. Which's why Garuda prefere to do code sharing with Turkish, Emirates or SIA for routes to Europe and North America.
No, it is the issue due the runway.
Still remember when Garuda tried to serve route Jakarta - London. At that last minute, they have realized that Soekarno Hatta' runway is not strong enough to hold full weight of Garuda' plane served Jakarta to London
So, this reason why Garuda still opened route Jakarta London but make little adjustment with transit in Amsterdam. As runway cant handle full fuel to make journey Jakarta London.
Yeah, Garuda has flown to Europe more ways I can count to get around the runway restrictions.
Runways restrictions is part reflection of lack long haul demands for direct routes to Europe and North America. Even to Amsterdam only been done by Garuda, while KLM doing it with stop over in KL.
For Airport it is chicken and egg dilemma. They don't want to invest on better runway grade if there's no enough demand for the flight routes that deemed justified the investment.
Jakarta to London direct routes has been taken. However the load is not big enough, that Garuda then decide to add Singapore stop over. Thus it is still shown the runway can do London direct routes, even with some restrictions. Then again the airport then will not going to invest more if they don't see enough demands for longer direct routes from Jakarta.
So it is in the end Chicken and Egg dilemma stories. It is Investment justification on there.
I'm glad you had a reasonable experience although yes the lack of seat selection is really annoying. We recently flew their ex Malindo Air service from Singapore to Kuala Lumpur in Business Class. It was going really well until just before landing I realised there had been no food or meal service.
When I asked the answer was confusing and when I emailed to ask what happened they told me that they had been round every passenger and I had declined food and drink 😐
Good video 👍
Batik Air used to be a full service airline which provides heavy meal in flights, however since covid Batik Air started to change and became a "hybrid" airline which somehow still provides meal but then only bread and water.
Beautiful sunset
Another airline I've never heard of before!I believe that Singapore and Malaysian are the only south east Asian airlines I have been on.Oh forgot one Royal Brunei!
Oh there are loads more in the region haha.
Indonesia's national airline is Garuda Indonesia which struggles financially but it's very pleasant to fly on. Garuda has a good LCC called Citilink. A major LCC is Lion Air which has this "full service" subsidiary Batik.
Perhaps you've heard of Malindo? Same airline.
oh u must be 9 years old
How much was the fare difference between batik air and superairjet? I understand that they were different segments.
Not much at all, exact price for each is in their respective descriptions.
Not sure if the in-video comment about CGK runways not being able to handle 777 is correct. In fact, Singapore Airlines regularly used 777 for CGK route before their fleet switchover to 350.
Didn't say they can't handle a 777, said they cannot handle a fully loaded 777 (i.e. with 14 hours of fuel on board).
@@tfft Garuda Indonesia as late as October 2019 managed to operate 777 flights from Jakarta to London nonstop , and considering it can take planes as far flung from Istanbul with Turkish A350s, Jakarta seems capable for those ultra long haul arrivals. It's just that not a whole lot of airlines bother flying to CGK when there's more potential in nearby SIN, not to mention the only airline that could realistically operate said flights would be Garuda, an airline that is still trying to recover (and failing) from their losses.
@@tfft Ah, but the Hajj flights each carrying 400+ pax (typically using leased 747) fly out of CGK every year to Saudi Arabia - surely these are heavy flights.
I get that CGK may suffer from missed opportunities. I do think that has more to do with the quality (and safety) of Indonesian airlines, which are sadly not up to par with regional powerhouses like Singapore Airlines.
@@henkyagusleo3761We've had A380s land here. I think it just can't handle constant use
So cool, btw recently terminal 2 International have more many tenants
I flew Batik Air from Jakarta to Perth earlier this year, and got the same “full service”, on a 4 hour flight. Not even any additional water offered throughout the flight. Although the flight only cost around $120USD, so hard to complain really.
try 'batik air' service between DPS and BKK. for 4hrs flight you will get the same bread and water. no other service. they have sales on board but food is limited to cup noodle and only cash in rupiah is accepted. also the IFE dont work at all.
Had no idea about the runway rating system and that the bad situation at CGK was one of the reasons that there are not more longhaul flights
May I suggest you to review Yotel Hotel Orchad. thanks
I stayed at Yotel in Orchard last year. It was OK for the most part
If you want an Indonesia full service experience go garuda, the other indonesian airlines often can't be consistent with the term full service.
Stop teasing us with the Park Hyatt Bangkok review in the intro. I’m looking forward to that one since we were considering staying there, but opted for the Kimpton (also based on your review).
I prefer Terminal 2. It's just so much nicer than Terminal 3. Looking forward to seeing Terminal 4 and hoping it has a better design
7:10 Where Did You Get That Information?
Gonna have to be more specific than that lol
Sorry batik air, i think now only garuda Indonesia serve full service airlines in Indonesia😅
To think 35 years ago Garuda flew to Jo’burg and Los Angeles!
no matter how bad lion group reputation is.your experience seems normal,unlike previous 2 with qantas.😂
Had you flown the barrage of second-hand planes that Batik Air had...I would surely think that your experience might not be as pleasant. Some have Lumexis IFEs, some have Safran Rave IFEs, one has Thales IFEs, some have no IFEs at all and...they basically chunk in any kinds of seats. Collins Pinnacle, Collins Spectrum, Recaro CL3510, Safran Z85/3134, and more. They're just too inconsistent as a FSC. I even consider them to be Indonesia's Jetblue at best...
CGK punya runway baru apa itu masih grade D
Grade C, apparently
Better than some US airlines for the same distance. No water, no even peanuts.
I love ur videos so much
Thanks very much 🙏🏻
Sadly since your trip Batik/lion no longer fly from ADL.
"Sadly"?!
you usually said CGK airport is always always always very hot 😅😅, but not in this video
Always until the end, and the ads too!
Landasan pacu soekarno hatta sudah diperbaiki dan dikuatkan saat pembangunan Runway ke 3. Namun permintaan rute penerbangan jarak jauh Eropa, Amerika, Afrika sangat kecil. Berbeda dengan Bali, banyak maskapai Eropa ingin terbang kesana. Namun untuk mendapatkan jadwal sangat susah karena jadwal yang padat. Faktanya sebelum pandemi Covid. Lion air group mendominasi jadwal Bandara Bali. Sehingga maskapai Asing seperti Emirates, Qatar tidak bisa mendapatkan jadwal yang bagus bahkan sulit mendapat jadwal terbang. Maskapai Asia, Eropa, India, Eropa, Timur Tengah sekarang banyak membuka penerbangan ke Bali. Karena Lion Air Group Mengurangi jadwal karena kekurangan pesawat saat pandemi Covid dan insiden Boeing Max 8. Padahal saat itu Lion Air Group memesan banyak Boeing Max 8, 9, 10 untuk expansi bisnis dan menggantikan pesawat 737-800/900 tua mereka.
You forgot to mention to like, subscribe etc etc..wonder if you've begun to edit this bit from your videos..😂
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Full service airline you say 🤔
Is Batik an indeonesian for Boutique? they mispel English words when they have no word like Presiden, Informasi, etc
this aint google dude, open ur google
Batik is an Indonesian clothing pattern
But, is it a hub, though? 😁😁😁
It's where most aircraft of Indonesian airlines are based but Indonesian airlines mostly operate with a point to point structure
when planning Jakarta stay where you need to be.
Naah... Batik always have 30 inch+ legroom... its one of liners i tolerate outside citilink and garuda
Nice content but I have to say I disagree with your information about Indonesian traveling abroad mostly prefer connecting flight, long haul flight demand in Indonesia is very low, Air France and Lufthansa fly here but they ended up terminating the route because of the load factor.
Those folks in Singapore Airlines may argue about that but statistics make the picture more clear, you will hardly meet Indonesian in Europe, the American continent, Africa, Indonesian diaspora mostly found in neighboring ASEAN countries, Hongkong, Taiwan, Japan, Korea, also some Middle Eastern countries such as Saudi, UAE, Qatar, Egypt, they can also commonly found in Australia, you can also see a big Indonesian community in The Netherlands, but outside of these countries I mentioned, you will hardly find Indonesian community, I was living in Italy for 3 months and I only met Indonesian at the embassy in Rome. So yeah, the demographic of Indonesian diaspora really explained why the demand for long haul flight from Jakarta is utterly low.
Similar to PH, foreign carriers often have trouble operating to Indonesia bc of VFF style yield much more so than load factor. They could fill the planes quite easily if they wanted to- but likely not for the revenue they’re looking for.
@@tfft I also need to add a point that the reason why terminal 4 hasn't started yet is because the airport hasn't reached its capacity, at the moment you fly out of there, 3 sub terminals are actually close, in terminal 1, only terminal 1A and in terminal 2, only 2E and 2F operating in which terminal 2F now serving international LCC flight. This is also somehow what makes Batik Air doesn't feel like a full service is because they fly out of Terminal 2 instead of 3.
So with terminals 1B, 1C and 2D are closed now for refurbishment with no exact deadline, it's obvious the airport doesn't need a new terminal.
Never took a batik air
Thanks for watching 🩴
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Thanks for watching 🩴
@@tfft aaw, so nice of you to even answer my low effort lazy comment!
@@FelixNeumann-m8s excuse me? are u saying my comment is effortless??? u decided to follow the train 💀☠
One must immediately seek counseling therapy for taking too much Lion Air Group flights
They brand themselves as full service on the other hand Batik air Malaysia calls themselves hybrid 🤷
Wad ? I thought they r full of b738
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If your brand is "First commenter"... then why is it edition 2.0? lol
@@tfft cuz this is my second acc :)
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Not even hybrid. Sounds like BS service to me.
Jakarta is slowly sinking this may be a reason why the runways have a poor rating, there are being a new capital city for Indonesia on Borneo but its behind schedule.
Tf u fast forward the take off and landing forrrrrrr 😢
Stupid extra apps. But, Burt Reynolds.
Stupid extra apps 😂😂😂😂😂😂