Think All Methamphetamine Is Illegal? Desoxyn: The FDA-Approved Methamphetamine
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- Опубликовано: 19 апр 2024
- When you hear 'methamphetamine,' you likely think of illicit drug use and crime dramas. But did you know there's a legal, FDA-approved form of meth called Desoxyn, prescribed for ADHD and obesity?
In this video, Dr. Sanil Rege sheds light on this powerful stimulant's dual role in modern medicine, exploring its potential benefits and serious risks. Discover why Desoxyn is used as a last resort in severe cases of ADHD and obesity and why its high abuse potential makes it heavily regulated.
This comprehensive video delves into Desoxyn's mechanism of action, dosage, and treatment protocols. Dr Rege also discusses why this drug is rarely prescribed, even though it offers hope to those with treatment-resistant ADHD and obesity. The discussion expands to explore how methamphetamine's unique ability to temporarily open the blood-brain barrier could pave the way for innovative cancer treatments, such as chronic myeloid leukaemia and glioblastoma.
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I went from dropping out to a 4.0 grade average in about a year because of this medication.
That’s really good to know. What made the doctor prescribe this? How long ago was this?
I got so smart I dropped out anyway 😂
@@PsychiatrySimplified5bucks😂
So truly, out of curiosity how long ago was this? How long ago was this that you were drop out and became a 4.0 intelligence and still dropped out anyway. About how long ago was all this if I may ask??
Oh wow really?? Well God bless you hun. I haven't watched the video yet. I just wanted to read thru sum of the comments first
I have used and been addicted to drugs for about 24 years. First pain killers, then cocaine then crack then meth. Since i was a tiny kid i never felt right. I am always super depressed and really uninterested in anything. Dont really want to be around people or leave the house. Feel super tired all the time and can sleep for 24 hrs like its nothing... I have used drugs because they make me feel normal and make other people like me. When im sober everyone thinks something is wrong with me but when i am high everyone finds me normal and likeable. I really dont get high for fun but really to keep living... The problem is all the side effects and the on and off supply, purity and reactions i have to things. But now approaching 40 i really just want to find out what is wrong with me and maybe find a treatment so i can live a half way normal life. If not and i have to feel and exist like this than i do not want to keep going. Every day is torture practically.
I have this too, and just deal with it, but the frustration of baring this reality, gets old fast. hang in there I am on this quest along side you!
Coming from someone greatly identifying with you... Stoping use is your only answer. Note, years of use = years to repair. That combined with CBT(Cognitive Behavioral Therapy) and extreme vigilantes are the only true way to heal.
@@RobertKrouse-nf4we i hear you. I just can't get through to a point where I feel anywhere close to bearing it. I've gone 1 year and was sort of doing ok. But the minute I went back to work the stress of it made me turn back to using. Right now I am working 6 nights a week and I have gone about the last week and a half without anything. It's terrible. I'm laying in bed right now tossing and turning. Just want this nightmare to end! I live in a very rural area and don't have access to hardly anything. Let alone people that understand I'm not some sort of demonic piece of garbage. I don't lie, cheat or steal and I work full time manual labor factory jobs... I do the best I can. But I just don't think I will ever be clean and feeling normal. Every day has been a struggle and just terrible for years on end now.
@@RobertKrouse-nf4we vigilantes??,……those pesky vigilantes!
Exact replication of my life story.. keep positive, there are people who understand fully, don’t get discouraged by those in your life that can’t grasp the perspective difference enough to be able to empathize or see between the hazy lines of ‘’addiction’’ and the factual differences between being unbalanced and when we feel ‘’normal’ under this substances effects. The stigmas we face are unfortunately our own doing due to the usual thing we have in common and that’s the years of abusing substances trying to find the fill to that hole that makes us feel not normal. Our loved ones get programmed to seeing the ‘’addict’’ self we often have been to and around them that the idea of this substance can be used medicinally if the patient is in the stage of life and self awareness to be able,to manage the self control. I can see from their shoes why it is so hard . Years of being a liar, or manipulator caused by the drive to feel at base level ‘’normal’’ vs the sincere post the stereotypical recreation stage of life. Some people never grow out of the recreation, some never meant to and some like myself and what sounds like you do and have. I don’t use to get high either. My dosage is roughly and no more than $1.00 a day or roughly a 1/10th gram a day if broken by weight. Because my desire to simply inebriate for the recreational ‘’high’’ for fun is phasing out my perceived tolerance I don’t even really notice. I’m no longer chasing to feel but using to maintain the lowest perceived feeling of normal. I try to maintain acclimation and I typically only feel a high is during a lapse of use such as few days without using for whatever reason. If the supply was/is steady I can maintain the acclimation, get/maintain a schedule where I actually eat , sleep and am able to keep up with my responsibilities to self like working ect. Unfortunately and where I’m going to leave this is remember the perspective of your loved ones and the ‘’I’m assuming like mine’’ years of recreational addiction they had to witness and live to love you through. Be patient and if you are sincere I bet on a prayer maybe you could prove with time and action. It’s hard to undo the things they’ve been programmed ‘’by us’’ to believe about meth as not only a substance people can abuse but also a chemical one if with respect and responsibility can be medicated to the inner personal perception of our personal belief of our own base line balance , whatever that is to you , only you could know where you feel normal, your task now is to teach them what that/ where that is. Good luck. -similarthoughtbox
I could just about write that myself, I have never been real comfortable in my own skin, I have been in counseling for the last three years, and what we discovered is I had many instances of childhood trauma.
Getting a doctor to prescribe any kind of stimulants is tough. If I microdose once or twice a day (3 rips on a bubbler) I feel more “normal” and go about my day just fine. I don’t want to get high from it, I just want to be ok.
I recently stopped using, and it’s fine until I have an attack and I get so wound up inside, I can’t stand it and the only thing I know that immediately relieves is the shit in that glass pipe that we all hate. I’m 64, trust me it just keeps going. Hang in there man, you’re not alone. I love it being out of my system, until I can’t stand it being out of my system.
To an addict, that all made sense, to a normy, probably not so much 😊 Remember always, suicide is not an option, call someone
Yes it started to feel normal around others that would make fun about how I spoke,how I sounded when I spoke…it started in 7 th grade p.E.class where the teacher called me slow -mo.and would moation his arms at me .,then the other kids would start in….in high school it got worse they even had a dress up day ,to dress like me for that day…. I hated it ,,then one day going to class I was stoped by some students and they stoped me laughed in my face doing the slow mo thing then they said why are your eyes so red ,you look so wasted ..I just out of the pool from swimming laps before classes ,I was on the swim team all four years .,. And then when ever my moms sister would visit she would say to me ,your on drugs ,yes you are I can tell… I didn’t do drug until I got so fed up with her causing me of being on them when I wasn’t. After awhile I said fuck this is driving me crazy ,I guess I’ll do the stupid drugs ,after I started she really never said that to as much…..to day I look back knowing what I know today would have controlled myself better but other problems out of my control came into play and I just through everything my family wanted to hear me told me just go away you amount to nothing,you’ll be nothing your dreamer when you going to grow up and hang up your surfboard and get areal job and make something of your self….? I got married to my beautiful wife Jeanne and talked to me and told me just because you used drugs doesn’t make you a bad person you know right from wrong ,your a fabulous husband and I’m so sorry you had Togo through this…I love you for you your an angle sent from heaven oh yes you are.
Mike i feel the same and am right there with you in micro dosing. We share alot of the same burdens. God bless you
The stigma can be more deadly than the actual drug.
My mom took this stuff for years! She has fibromyalgia and one of the issues with it is fatigue. It was fine. She never abused them nor did it change her personality. It's all about the individual's mindset. She never saw it as anything other than her medication.
Thanks for sharing. Yes when used appropriately it can make a big difference. Prescribed doses are different from the varied doses with street meth. Also mode of administration affects the speed of release
That's why I use it. My fibro.. It helps
This is true ! It has all to do with Personal Responsibility. Those just looking for a High’ or a Kick’ will find a Dead End !! Everything which exists and is made has a use ! Make certain you are Educated and know what you are doing to yourself and others.
Addiction has nothing to do with "mindset" or willpower.
Too much of anything isn't good for you Moderation is key
That's what my Grandma would always say and it's very true!
@@caraRd203 my grandmother is who said this to me as well great minds think alike
This is one of the absolute most informative and educational videos about Desoxyn I’ve ever seen.
Appreciate the feedback 🙏🏻
Well stated Sir.
The surprise at the end was actually very surprising. Great video with tons of information. Keep them coming!
Thanks! 🙏🏼
My best friend did meth while she had cancer because the pain meds did help with her pain didn't even touch her pain she'd do a little bit in the morning and be able to get up out of the bed and move around not a lot but she was able to get up and watch her kids graduate from high school she was able to spend her last few months with her family pain free because of meth She still passed as way but them last few months Meant more to her than anything her whole entire life.
I can see the rationale. With pain in general - Dopamine and Noradrenaline are important in pain reduction .im sorry for your loss
Had no idea it could help with chemotherapy in those situations or any at all tbh. Fascinating. Thanks for getting the word out there that stigma shouldn't dictate our medical decisions
As a cancer patient in some cases such as breast cancer addicts with cancer had no growth while using but the rest of the body in most cases high end ok the body took a tremendous toll.
How lucky are those who have never experienced being prescribed such a stigma.
Those of us who have, God bless you
Desoxyn was a blessing for me. It was the only ADHD medication that worked for me.
@@Gojisan1954thats really good to know. Do you still take it?
My stigma was religion. No worries, I kicked the habit. It's not so much about the stigma as much as about the stigmata. But I just decided to run over the dogma w my karma.
Oh and lord forbid you chronic pain. Everyone is an addict that needs medication.
Prescription meth can also help with current addicts who use the illegal stuff
There are plenty of amphetamine based drugs already on the market for ADHD, you can take such as Adderall.
@@user-qx1qs8kc4l maybe
@@user-qx1qs8kc4l All are bad.
No it doesn't. It replaces a similar drug and makes it easier to have a fix consistently.
I'm ADHD and for some reason the Drs never gave me the medicine I have need so I self medicate with meth and I don't steal , use any other drugs and I have been using it for 20 years and people would not know that I use because I am 65 yrs 5ft 9in wt 230 and I have never experienced any of those symptoms that you are talking about
Thanks for sharing. There are many who have mentioned the same the ability to function and no significant harmful effects. If you don’t mind sharing how often do you use it? How do you use it? And do you generally tend to buy it from a place where you are aware of the reliability in terms of contamination or other things added because it does seem like your story is maybe more of an exception than the rule
Walking same road.
I pray sociaty nvr getts hold ov u cause they will makem happen
I've always been a big adult. 5'8 250ish. I am not a lazy person but no matter what diet or excercises I can't seem to lose weight. Not even with meth. I'm the only person I personally know that gained ⁴⁰lbs when I started using. But it does help with my pain and helps me keep my thoughts not so erratic. Still not really happy with my life, but I already know I would be MISERABLE without it.
In my hospital, we easily have 3-5 deaths per month from alcohol. Patients are usually in their 40's. We may have 1 death per year from meth.
Alcohol is such a huge market worth billions of dollars, so it's just easier for doctors and government officials to hide the truth and spread misinformation.
Yeh they just look dead 😂 walking dead!
Wow really, that many deaths from alcoholism? Wow I knew it was bad but I didn't think it was quite that bad. So there is about as many people dying from alcoholism as there is from heroin abuse or they're probably more just from heroin than alcoholism? Isn't there? But very interesting to hear that there's only one or two deaths per year from meth or methamphetamine? Very interesting.
Home Cooked’ Meth we call it (Krank) ! That Is a potential Poison !! See Your doctor ! Not the street dealers of krank ! and know yourself! If you have a propensity for get (fused -up on drugs ! Stop taking Them !!
Iv had this prescription before and it was really good. I don't care for the likes of of it or anything like it anymore. Which is great
Had it in the 5’s and 10’s. Rode that wave 🌊 for about nine months then dialed back to Vyvanse and have been on that since. Great video ! Have a day!
Thanks for sharing!
Yellow 15 are best
Y did u go back to Vyvanse? Also what dose
"Desoxyn. It'll knock your socks off."
I'll stick with nitazene and keep my socks on🤣
@@christopherprisco8690dont worry, they'll remove your socks after you die
“Where’d my socks go??” 😂
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There not going to tell they have been giving this to FIGHTER PILOTS.....since WW2
Pretty common knowledge
Oh oh I like you ,that sounds like a comment id make lmao
For years this drug has been in the kits’ of Many military and medical Personel !
Excellent video Doc, as always. 👍🏼 Thank you!
Thank you 🙏🏻
First RUclips Video about Desoxyn, that i’ve seen. Desoxyn should be used to treat stimulant addiction, just like Methadone treats Heroin addiction.
MAT-Medication Assisted Therapy works. Look at the dozens of peer reviewed papers that show its efficacy. It works so why don’t we use it?!
I was a Ritalin child For 6 years I was raised by the state of California
Praying for you, Cali kid & Ritalin child
Wow I can't believe I found this channel!!!
Way over 30 years
I still work full time and don't ever do it with anyone.
What an amazing amount of reassurance that there are still sane humans on the planet somewhere.....
Thank you for your feedback
@@PsychiatrySimplified Speaking honest straightforward facts saves lives.
Here in my sixties I know the war on drugs was started because of fear.
It's refreshing and I look forward to watching your videos, thank you!!
I found that meth opened my mind's creativity and clear thinking also a higher level of concentration or focus
Absolutely right on! You are !
You're partially correct, it is a schedule 8 in Australia. The only reason it is unavailable, is because there's no pharmaceutical companies that manufacturers or distribute it here.
😮 Remember we we were getting dead rocks and backing this lake 70s. Are the 80s and nobody knew about it? And you could get it easily and it was so clean and pure. It was the best thing you could. Do you felt great even after you were done?
I personally grew up in a house full of meth addicts meth dealers and meth Cooks I've never seen a legitimate good outcome from any use of it
In life, some of the most unfortunate experiences people have, end up teaching them the greatest lessons they’ve learned in their lives. How we interface with our pain results in whether it serves or enslaves us!,…we make that choice, no one else does.
We can either utilize our past to build our present & future, or stay stuck in old abandoned spaces that no longer really exist,..we choose to become better people for ourselves, our kids, our grandkids & our friends & communities.
It’s sad, but yeah, most of the time that is the outcome. Most people simply use too much and damn that has some really adverse side effects. Nothing worse than being around a bunch of people that are too high.
@@mikenilson6744 Agreed. People who learn to blame everyone else & everything else as causal to their problems in life conflate, demonize & scapegoat the drugs they use. They target drugs as the primary reason for all their troubles. Those “troubles” started LONG before they ever used drugs.
It's really crazy is I actually have ADHD but my parents never take me to the doctors for it and so I started using and felt pretty normal that's how I got hooked on it. Now my daughter has ADHD she just got diagnosed a few weeks ago. I was nervous about the Ritalin but she's showing huge improvement so I've kind of seen both sides of the story. Still not too fond of the idea
Well you grew up with the worst of the worst...@BushyHairedStranger
I am medicated for adhd ss a 38 year old and i am finding my tolerance is increasing rapidly
Drugs like ritalin then concerta have proved to be just a temporary fix only working for a few weeks before I need to go up in doses
Please have a listen to this video where I discuss the reasons for this - ADHD isn’t just about stimulants. Hope this gives you some guidance. ruclips.net/video/9QbBu-vDqUY/видео.htmlsi=h5cIoLGawVZ6Yxg_
You need to take days off. Also wait till later in the day some days to take your dose. If you can get a real nights sleep your meds will work again.
Also amphetamines deplete vitamin B. Take vitamin B
@@mikegeary8056 that's true 😀 I used to take some days off my Dexamphetamine tabs
I’d suggest getting blood work done to determine if you have a metabolic issue as far as the Amphetamine tolerance. A Peak & Trough blood test will confirm exactly your body metabolizes the medication. I wouldn’t suggest taking more of anything without knowing wtf is going on within your body. Metabolism changes as we age so a blood work up including a CBC(complete blood count), a Comprehensive metabolic panel & the Peak & Trough will answer those questions. Tolerance is one thing and can be addressed easily with dose restrictions. Metabolic changes are another issue all together and may require a change in medication, in dosage prescribed or any number of things..
Desoxyn is the only ADD medication that is very rarely if ever prescribed. I’ve never personally had it so I can give an opinion on it. Adderall did wonders for me but it was so habit forming. I haven’t taken it since 2009 when I came off all my meds. I’m one of the fortunate few that beat my ADD/ADHD cause most people like me that were diagnosed at childhood end up taking meds for the rest of their lives in adulthood
When you realize where most of your customers end up it’s only smart to lobby for a “legal form” only available through the same people that introduced you to it at 7yo
Amazing presentation.
Glad you liked it!
I have ADHA and I've always wondered if methamphetamine would slow me down. I stopped taking my medication when i was 12 and switched to weed.
I had some friends that would do adderal when i was an older teen. They peer pressured me to do some. I told them it doesn't do the same thing to me. They had a party i took a nap.
Ive been prescribed many many amphetamines. All of them are downers for me. They turn me into an emotionless zombie.
Ive thought for a long time that meth would put me to sleep and not get me all speed up.
But i dont know. Because cocaine speeds me right up.
Cocaine is extremely addictive especially for people with ADHD. You’re better off doing Meth but not homemade lab cooked cause it’s dirty and nothing like Adderall
if it isn’t this, it’s alcoholism I don’t want people to feel addicted to anything. I’m sharing this to social media because I feel this video is all more relevant too my colleagues,friends, and family than there able to admit atp
From what I understand, this medication is prescribed one in like a million, I once saw a pharmacist post something somewhere that in over like 20 or 30 years of being a pharmacist he's seen maybe one prescription of desoxyn
Yes it’s rare - more in the US likely
30 million Americans are using Adderall. Thers the Real shocking Fact add to it 50% ofAmerican Adults are Alcholics
I did take that for a few months until insurance stopped paying for it. Had to get it ordered. It worked for my ADHD. I had to go back to Adderall
@@mikesniadecki1205 thanks for sharing
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It can also be used for the treatment of drug addiction if really very carefully monitored....
sounds a lot like fire against fire to me
I knew none of this, glad to have it pop up on my feed. Ordinarily, I only go looking for something when I need or want to learn something, but this was unsolicited. With the drug craze changing from meth to fentanyl in the news, this explanation of meth's uses in a clinical setting is not well known, if at all by the majority of Americans
Prescribed Desoxyn for Meth Addiction is a “best practice use” Desoxyn-as a replacement therapy for Methamphetamine Addiction or -MAT-Medication assisted therapy would STOP crimes of addiction based desperation-theft, it would immediately arrest the Drug Cartel trafficking, improve addicts mental health & well being allowing them to maintain medical treatment & gainful employment & housing.
Methadone is a MAT protocol used for Heroin Addicts. The MAT protocol serves to benefit those with addiction. So we should use Desoxyn for Meth addicts.
With alcohol being legal and killing more people each year then EVERY single drug combined. Meth in any form shouldn’t be controversial.
@dirge4july definitely alcohol is a lot more harmful,but the cops get 70% the money that is made from the illegal drug trade,they bust most of the dealers & the cops are hooked on the cash
Have you tried it in any form?? I don’t think you can claim that if you haven’t. I also think if you have that you would not be saying that. I was addicted to it for 10 years. It wrecked my life while enjoying every second of it even though it made me miserable. Doesn’t make sense I know but-- it is one hell of a drug.
Yes bro well Said n it's so fn true but no body sees this
@@STARRANISE-cv5qt I was hooked on it for 7 years Been clean for 1 year. It makes you do what don't need to be done. Tear everything apart including your life. Crystal mess is a heck of a drug. That wasn't a miss spelling It really is a mess
All I know is I started doing meth when I was 11 and stopped using when I was 19 I can personally tell you it's the f****** devil
I used Meth for 20 years and people told me giving it up would be the best for me,
Lets see Ive been clean 4 years I can't get out of my own head they told I've got ADHD and OCD mixed with the rest.
Yet for past two years I have spent $1500. Had all the test but no one. Will evern give me an appointment.
Life feels like hell and its so hard not good bad. The down side is it might cost me my relationship.
Say this has helped. Just q voice in the void
Best wishes
Hope everything gets better!! One day at a time.
@@mellowpepper4784 it does thanks. Best wishes and enjoy your day
Maybe you need a script since you have adhd
@@Hlozano24 Yeah, I think the same. I've been trying to get an appointment for the last year. They told me maybe November, I waited half a year for the wrong place. So I hopefully this place helps
@birdsandthingsbeachandbush1064 hope so too 🙏🏽
Been on this med for 3 years 5-10mg daily. 24 years old. Go to the doctor for blood work monthly and also eat well & work out daily.
That’s really good to know. Was this chosen first line ? Or because others didn’t work. It would help for me and others to learn how the decision was reached to consider desoxyn. Thanks.
@@PsychiatrySimplified ive been using it for a year or more and it's helped me find focus in computer programming. made more money while on it then off.
Sounds nice vs me absolutely ruining my own life with the evil street version, do I have safely sourced legal help sounds good compared to infections and sores and cops and jails and they like it this way though, an absolute villain if they even mention the word meth. The USA is sick
@@PsychiatrySimplified I’ve been on medications for adhd since a child and tried every other medication and alternative treatment under the sun. After being on Desoxyn I can finally manage my tasks for work/home. Everything from my relationships to my work life has improved ten fold. I’m under strong supervision and get monthly tests done to make sure everything’s going all good in my body🙏🏼. I also have no issue with appetite and eat 3 meals a day.
@@ScottDenesen-py3tk
There is no legitimate reason that doctors shouldn’t prescribe Desoxyn for those who want it, whether for ADHD, euphoria, weight loss, focus for school, etc…
I wish I could get it. I can’t even get out of bed due to no energy and no motivation sense I retired
Hey mate I noticed at the start you said that desoxyn isn't available in Australia just wanted to let ya know that it can be prescribed under The Special Access Scheme allows for the importation and supply of an unregistered drug for an individual patient under the supervision of a medical practitioner, on a case-by-case basis.2 This is the most common scheme used by GPs.
True it can be under SAS. think there would be not many though on Desoxyn ? Considering the availability of others under PBS .
Most likely fk all people would be actually prescribed to it. I used to be mates with a bloke who was though that's why I found ya video interesting, they did not work out well for him though mainly because he already had a history with addiction, it was only marijuana but he was not in control of that and he spiralled out of control very quickly.
Mind you I have been a functioning ice user for almost 10 years, I'm 30 healthy have a full time job and I have no underlying conditions also have all my teeth haha
@@geoffreycollins2789 ive know a lot of people who use with a responsible attitude so they can operate normally in society,they function with employment, relationship,friendships,family commitments,hobbies & commitments,they are trustworthy,I simply choose not to associate with weak willed people who don't have honest morals & fail to control there behaviour,
30 yrs ago I was addicted to meth. I found out I was self medicating for undiagnosed ADHD. I got clean 29 yrs ago and had a Career as a truck driver so I couldn’t take prescribed medication but I retired in 2018 and for the past year I’ve been taking vivance for a year now and have not felt the want or need to abuse them. I think with the right doctor and therapist it can help ADHD.
I actually was prescribed desoxyn back in the early 90's because I had treatment resistant depression.
Wow. Did it make a difference ?
Yes, if we use the medicine as medicine at a prescribed level it will do good to that extent. Thank you.
Yeah I need some
Prohibition doesn't work.
You would think that the powers that be would have figured this out, maybe they have, that’s a scary thought
I've used meth for thirty years and still have every tooth in my head and go to work each day. I'm not advocating use but it just comes down to how you prioritize things in life. It can't be more important than personal hygiene and health.
There are multiple variables at play so variation of effects and consequences in individuals as well
Its actually suggested to be prescribed as the most, i quote, "the most gentle of the adhd medications" in patients who have troubles sleeping with the traditional meds.
But its never going to be a choice you'll make because even if prescribed your insurance won't cover it and it cost around $1500 a month.
Interesting
@@PsychiatrySimplified Generics could destroy that $1500 a month instantly.
@@Burnt-ve8bv Desoxyn is only expensive based upon pharma name branding. The Methamphetamine Molecule itself is not under Patent. So if the DEA & FDA would get off their lobby supported asses and actually start working for the U.S. Citizens for once! they’d see that Regulating Methamphetamine and supporting M.A.T would immediately save hundreds of thousands of American lives. We have the data to prove it & the DEA knows it. N.I.H. & N.I.D.A paid for the studies!!
@@BushyHairedStrangerdo you mean you friendly neighborhood meth dealer?
Well that is absolutely intriguing and very interesting. I have had people tell me where this actually did exist and for some purposes but just didn't make sense to me was something of this caliber could ever be FDA approved. Now that I have the opportunity to listen to you and hear how the whole thing works it makes a great deal of sense. I got to say thank you for this video that you did cuz now it completely makes sense, now I don't have to look at these people as bullsh*ters and /or crazy as it seams like thay didn't know what they're talking about, though I now know that they kind of did. Although they hadn't really know the whole purpose to it, as you do, it is very very intriguing on how the whole situation about the drug and how it works, and the future possibilities of taking on certain problems and most of all, certain cancers sounds fantastic I can only hope that it is so true on being able to take on certain cancers or any cancer for that matter anything that can take out cancer is a fantastic thing. Thank you again for the greatly informidable and very truthful straight up honest to the point video. Have an AWESOME YEAR. Thank you very much for sharing your complete research and knowledge and the true straight up honesty on it. You are definitely a gentleman and absolute scholar. Many thanks. May Karma graciously wink with the smile of satisfaction upon you.
Thanks for the effort in sharing your views in the message. I appreciate it. 🙏🏼
My great grandfather was Dr. Benjamin Rush
Wow!
It uses to be on every shelf and check out counter across America. It was called Contac cold medicine and Mini thins, to name a couple. ClaritinD is available directly from the pharmacist with your ID. It's limited, but available. thats all im gonna say.
Yeah I'm self medicating with sudafed since doctors won't help me. It helps me do stuff and get out of bed.
All forms of ADHD medicine is a form of methamphetamine. I don’t care what people say. My kids were on many different kind. I did take them off of it because of the effects I should be on something but because it has a tendency to become addictive or anything I just deal with it and let people think I’m weird
12:50 exactly what you said, it's the amount and frequency of use that's bad. Not so much the drug itself.
Thanks for such a comprehensive video on this drug! Perhaps you can answer one question for me, as my neurologist didn't have enough info about desoxyn to do so...
For some background first, I have severe, med-resistant narcolepsy with cataplexy. In nearly every other circumstance, my treatment has coincided with the average adhd (which I also have) treatments, just with an amplified dosage. I currently take armodafinil (maxed) and Adderall tablets as a booster to that (also maxed), but this has become insufficient like all the other combinations I've tried over the years. After hearing about this med, i got excited and asked my Dr about it. He said it's actually contraindicated for treating narcolepsy 😯!
Could you please explain to me why that is? I'd very much appreciate your input🙏🏻
That is incorrect however Desoxyn is not commonly prescribed. I would reccomend listening to the video where I discuss Stimulant stalemate - often simply working along the stimulant pathway leads to tolerance or a loss of response as many symptoms are mediated by other mechanisms. In a week or two I will release a video on how does one think through mechanisms when a stimulant / s stop working. But here is the reference for narcolepsy and desoxyn. There are also individual studies showing benefits but it’s not routinely prescribed as other aspects are usually sufficient to address this. narcolepsynetwork.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/NN-Medication-Brochure.pdf
@PsychiatrySimplified thank you for responding so quickly☺️. I'm definitely going to check out the other aforementioned videos you suggested, but the issue (according to my neurologist atm), is that I have N with cataplexy. My brain no longer produces orexin on its own, which is also why it
becomes med resistant. My brain begins to tolerate stimulants much sooner than it would if I were, say, neurotypical🤷♀️. It honestly sucks, for lack of a more profound adjective lol. I've HAD to find creative new coping strategies to help me adjust to this new state of being. Thank God for all my previous years of impactful work with therapists, cuz I've definitely been tapping into that mental resource for this, and it's a tremendous help. ... but I really do miss the active luxe I once had, and I especially miss being able to drive. I had to hang up my car keys when I (thankfully) woke up and took ownership of the extreme risk it was to not just my life, but the potential danger to others. My sleep attacks have almost become aggressive over the last couple years.
It has been a few years since u asked my Dr about it (it was fairly new to the US market atm), so it certainly would hurt to ask again. Perhaps there's new research indicating that it is safe for me now🤷♀️.
Sorry for this lengthy msg btw, lol, I tend to get pretty chatty, the more sleep deprived that I become🙄😜😵💫
Thanks again for taking time to read all this🤗. I'm digging your channel, for sure!
@@aprilwills6777back in the 70s-80s i had an uncle who took desoxyn for narcolepsy and now that I am getting older I am getting symptoms similar to what he was having but I take opioids for chronic pain so very doubtful that I could take any type of stimulant and I can sleep for 12-15 hours straight and I am still feeling exhausted and sleepy, I know it is not the pain meds because I have been on them for over 10 years and these symptoms have been happening for maybe 2 years and I have not increased my pain meds this wanting to just sleep all the time and no energy sucks wish there was something that would help coffee just makes me feel crappy and still want to sleep
Highly recommendable channel for professional quality factual unbiased interesting educational & entertaining content,unfortunately the reason there's massive illegal drug consumption & addiction is our governments do very little to provide educational anti illegal drug information for youths that would be very helpful to reduce the use of illegal drugs,the lack of focus on rehabilitation,detox centres to help individuals to overcome the very powerful processes of addiction that keep many chained to the habit,if there was more willingness to produce informative detailed research & information by the government there would be a drastic reduction to illegal drug use
Thank you for your feedback 🙏🏻. Yes education can do more
I am prescribed methamphetamine hcl (generic Desoxyn) by my psychiatrist. I absolutely cannot find one single pharmacy to fill it. It's so frustrating. I live in middle ga. If you can help me find a pharmacy or have any suggestions they would be appreciated. Thank you
They stopped selling those inhalers that we used to make bathtub speed out of.
Vicks? Or Something else
Another solution to my life long deppresion thats just out of reach because someone else knows better what helps me. And I slowly continue to die inside while they continue to save me from myself.
Without a doubt, it's clean,long lasting,seems easy on the body, without the intense crash and burn.
Well done
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I used to use Ds as we call them in the 80s yes ,it is better than any speed today.
Have they tried using Desoxyn to help people get off meth? Starting with a dose that is like the street drug and lowering the dose over time without letting the user know when the does goes down other than maybe letting them know they are at the half way mark. It really could not hurt and it would actually be better for them because of the poisons used to make it on the streets not to mention the risk of fentanyl.
Good question. There are no trials for this purpose although I will be doing a video on potential substitution therapy soon. The challenge is being able to implement it in the correct framework.
not a bas idea
We should get all this information and like FREE adults, decide for ourselves and not spend 20,000,000,000 a year on it and feed the ppl instead of putting shackles literally on them
Will a methocyclone or methoanticyclone help me have better focus at completing tasks and aid in controlling my severe over-emotionalism? Asking for a friend…
Relived my pain for 25: yrs...but its changed on the street
What would your opinion on using this to aid someone in the quitting of using illicit street crystal methamphetamine be, for someone who has absolutly no history of abuse with prescription drugs?
It’s not been studied but I believe that it could be used like a maintenance medication like methadone is used for opioid use disorder maybe desoxyn would like used for methamphetamine use disorder. I think it has good potential to be used for methamphetamine addiction. This is just my opinion.
Its quite possible but studies are needed before it is considered. Lisdexamphetamine has been studied for this purpose with some benefit.
@@thirdeyek5155 I totally agree,it would be very beneficial to help to reduce the unpleasant experience when detoxifying,to have a reduced dose to maintain energy levels to function daily would reduce high failure rates with addiction
When you have been diagnosed with addiction, you can forget getting medicine like this to make your life more manageable. I've never been addicted to any drug , have just been self medicating my entire life with alcohol then marijuana and then meth. I diagnosed myself with ADD because being on meth made me feel calm, helped immensely with my road rage, I just quit my psychiatrist because he is a DM 5 dumbass like every other mental. health doctor . Guess I'll stay home in bed until I've had enough of this misery and blowy brains out.
Qualitatively there is little difference, aside from dose, between Dexedrine, Adderall, Desoxyn, and street crystal meth (assuming high purity and no cuts).
On the other videos on stimulants and meth the comments suggest a significant variation in experiences - but yes it’s difficult to know at dose equivalence whether the differences are minimal. Pharmacologically though we do know that meth is more potent in terms of DA , 5HT release. But how this translates to response may differ
@PsychiatrySimplified I remember reading that Adderall had a small amount of methamphetamine and was pulled out so now it was just amphetamines
@@patrickday4206well your wrong
@johnbeil3581 wrong about what that it has amphetamines in it? Wrong that it used to? Dumb response to just say I'm wrong maybe you just meant morally? Hahaha
@@patrickday4206Adderall never had meth in it. It’s got different enantiomers of amphetamine and d-amphetamine.
The only effective ADHD medication that works for me
Wow they still prescribe desoxine Abbott pharmaceutical made it back in the day stuff was fantastic !
yep it was
Was it called Yellow Bird back in the day?
Were they Black Beauties. Those were delightful.
I think the dezoxin is what the legal name was. It was around the same time as Praludin (this isn't how it was spelled I don't think but how we pronounced it.) Quaaludes were still A thing so some 30-40 years ago. Life was certainly much nicer that many years ago. People and atmosphere was outstanding. (sorry Doc for getting off topic)
@@edie4321 those were killer too
Dr, I am prescribed Adderall. Ive tried stronger but my dr gives me Adderall not for adhd. But it helps my mood, sometimes it gives me energy and sometimes just slows my mind down . Ironically, doesnt make my heart race or any of that. I can't use cannabis because it makes my heart pound and get paranoid and feel sick. Adderall and other amphetamines dont do that though. I have ptsd, autism and bad anxiety ive had my whole life. I do take more than prescribed due to tolerance but I'm just trying to get through the day. How much is considered toi much adderall? Because i dont want to die overdose. I act normal on it. helpe me a lot though. Been on Adderall for 4 years now. . Tried Ritalin twice but prefer Adderall. Is it common to help anxiety -its hard to explain.
I really don't think the docters dont prescribe desoxin any more.
Yes it's very rare if at all
Curious to know your thoughts on the work and extensive research done by Dr. Carl Hart.
In what way? I generally look at overall research and apply it to clinical practice - here is an overview i wrote - psychscenehub.com/psychinsights/the-neuroscience-of-addiction-application-to-clinical-practice/
I struggle with depression. The only thing that helps me is meth . I have no choice ....moderation is key..God help us all...stay strong my sisters and brothers
, how many users for 14 years 36 years old it's been rough life
Also there's a pill called Phentermine synthetic methamphetamine
It does not have a methyl group - so not methamphetamine - That's used for weight loss - Duromine. Prescribed in primary care here
Had a gf show me a bottle of literal prescription meth after I told her I was prescribed Adderall for years ... Fuckin wild
Wow!
Had it NYC 1976 speeding in the city yes the best at the time
🔴the thing that really trips me out is the fact that this stimulant or any other is approved for weight loss/obesity all the way down to 6 yrs of age. I mean, cmon, everyone knows that treating obesity and weight loss by being stimulated is the wrong way to go about it because once you stop taking it the Hunger comes back with rage! Not only that but because the feel good effects are no longer there youll eat more to "feel good" in general. Meth shouldnt be approved for weight loss at all.
I understand where you are coming from. Ultimately it’s a risk benefit analysis and this is prescribed in rarer circumstances ( one hopes) - where the benefits outweigh the risks . For weight loss it is a short term treatment.
But a treatment that works effectively, no doubt.
I done Desox back in the late 70's it was good.... I got first off 30 cooking for 2 days on the lamp, up for 2 days wide open....but found that drugs r bad. but they was fun
I was told meds like rittlin and addetal are lesser versions of meth too. Is this true?
Have a listen to the other video on the difference between amphetamine and methamphetamine Breaking Bad: 5 Crucial Differences between Amphetamine vs. Methamphetamine | Exploring the Impact
ruclips.net/video/LZOxU7wUQDE/видео.html
And there is another video on difference between Dexamphetamine and Ritalin ( methylphenidate)
@@PsychiatrySimplified thank you so much. I've been a recovering addict sober for the last 4 years and I've strongly felt my addictions started when I was forced to the strongest daily dose of rittlin on day one when I was 7 and was immediately taken off at the age of 14 when my mom found out kids were having heart issues and everything felt like it went downhill even further. It would be great to learn more about this so thank you for making these videos. It means alot to me.
I'm a recovering meth addict. I've been recovering since 2006. Although my asthma problems were never a problem while I was doing ice. Now that I'm sober I have a lot of asthma problems my drug addiction started when I was in grade school when I was given Ritalin for attention deficit hypertension disorder
So sorry to hear. Was this IR ? And did it start after it stopped or while ?
@@PsychiatrySimplified I've had asthma all my life since I was a little kid. Although now it's turned into emphysema
Sorry I meant addiction. Asthma / allergies are usually highly comorbid with ADHD and dopaminergic potentiators like stimulants can usually reduce the frequency of attacks or treat it . Dopamine is anti-inflammatory.
I was given cylert as a kid awful terrible thing caused lifelong insomnia. I've taken Adderall on and off it helps my adhd i have zero desire to take it i can suddenly stop after years just makes me depressed for awhile. I like being able to function better but don't like the side effects.
If the side effects are activating side effects r.g anxiety, insomnia then consideration of agents such as clonidine can make a difference. See the videos on ADHD is not all stimulants and videos on clonidine and Guanfacine
I think they probably don't make it with all the chemicals and nasty stuff like the bad kind. People like me who have chronic fatigue this actually might help
One doesn't need desoxyn for CFS as other stimulants can be used. Please have a look at the range of videos I've done on CFS / Long covid etc
Vivance is good too
He’s not responding to the chemo what do we do now doctor? Try mixing in some crystal
:sorry to hear . Answer is no however as The information related to chemotherapy is at research preclinical stages only. There is currently no evidence for this approach. Please discuss any clinical aspects with the doctor. The information on this channel is educational only and should not be used to make clinical decisions
Vyvanse is no joke. I had a seizure the very 1st time I took it. I didn't even know I had epilepsy. Now it's become a daily struggle. No thanks l.
So sorry to hear . You didn’t have a family history or a previous history of seizures ?
@PsychiatrySimplified I was adopted, so I'm not too sure about my background. I was in my 30s when this happened, with 0 seizure experience.
I think it would be a good idea to require physicians to experience addiction and overcoming that addiction before they are allowed to prescribe that drug to any patients if it is classified as an addictive drug. For sure would make them think on another level before prescribing them willy nilly without much concern about the addictive side of the coin. You can study addiction in med school but will never understand it without experiencing it yourself
In one way yes - as doctors its difficult to experience the true extent of it and hence we try to learn through patients but yes it won’t be the same
Don't worry Dr psychiatrysimplified has tested the product in the name of scientific exploration to advance mankind,very honourable
JFK, one of America's best presidents was using a prescribed amount of meth while in office
Oh really! I know he had addison’s disease.
@@PsychiatrySimplified Yeah, I believe that's what Dr Feel-good used it for. JFK didn't know it was meth at first. Drunk History did a hilarious episode on it.
I’ll check it out
Duromine wouldn't be any different?
I was prescribed this and the generic is called methamphetamine so that is what my pill bottle read and dosoxyn is sold in 10mg white round pills I was on 60mg per day
Wow that’s a high dose. How did you find It? If you don’t mind sharing
@@PsychiatrySimplified 60mg per day is not unheard of for narcolepsy.
Could you please tell me the difference between meth and Adderall are because doctors and a lot of them like to say that it is not an amphetamine but it literally says it right on the side of the pill, M.amphetamine
Here is a video where I cover this - they are not the same ruclips.net/video/LZOxU7wUQDE/видео.html
They prescribe it for narcolepsy also.
How do I get prescription? I asked my Dr and they said they can’t prescribe it. ???
Probably needs to be a psychiatrist
Desoxyn is rarely prescribed because it’s not profitable for big pharma. Adderall is a big seller
That's because they don't want to
the problem is trying to convince your DR to prescribe it ..reply if you live in central florida and know a good doctor im tired of getting no results from adderall
When one says ‘results’ one has to be clear about what that means. Please see the latest video on when stimulants don’t work. If one is looking for the ‘boost’ this is something that will always desensitise which means it can be evaluated as the medication not doing much . ADHD treatment and stimulants are meant to improve cognition and activity with better impulse and emotional control. It’s not about feeling but rather a move towards optimum functioning. Hope that helps. But I cover it in the latest video
What if I told you that good decision making is scheduled to be made illegal
Yes I really trust a Dr with a RUclips channel .
Best to evaluate the content 😃. But here is more ‘professional’ education if you are looking for that academy.psychscene.com
@PsychiatrySimplified You're doing a great job. RUclips is full of skepticism, just watch an astronomy video, there will be people in the comments vehemently claiming everything said is wrong and the earth is flat...
How Dow you approach a dr for it
Its not commonly prescribed. There are very specific indications and only in the US
So if you have ADHD, and Obesity, and allready take Adderall. I only have limited benefits from Adderall. Shouldnt this be an option for me?
How do you take this seriously with breaking bad references every 40 seconds
There are two max ?
What about trading bipolar disorders in schizophrenic
OMG and now I just heard you say that it's okay to give it to children as long as they're over 12 years old. It doesn't matter how much the doses they're going to get addicted to it. And then they will just get it on the streets because then they're going to up the dose and up the dose and they're just going to be like every other meth head. And I am speaking from experience I have been there I've done that and you don't know what you're talking about.
I didn't say its ok to give - its FDA approved - doesnt mean its given routinely if at all
Ive been saying for years that meth should be more studied for medicinal use. I believe we are all made so differently that it affects each person differently according to how their body metabolizes chemicals, vitamins, nutrition, fats, etc. What i am trying to say is for example, we all have that one friend who can eat cake all day and not get fat and the other friend who eats one piece and gains 5 lbs. Ive watched a group of people smoke thr same stuff out of the same pipe and each one act so differently from the person next to them. Some "tweak", some "geek", and some actually relax and act "normal". Not all meth addicts are out there stealing, dealing, squealing. Some have full time jobs and are very productive people. Nice, generous, intelligent. Without it, they cant get out of bed, very anti social, depressed, suicidal. Now with street meth, you dont know what you are getting. Especially with fentinynal being mixed in. Its a roll of the dice. I believe this definitely should be more looked into, more studied, and more prescribed.