@@drainfafnir4465 ok but standard changes very easily and is always different, modern is more resilient to changes so it feels like you're playing the same things over and over for years
I personally just try and build a deck that is good for my local FNM environment. Honestly the sweaty tournament grind makes the game alot less fun in the long run.
We went from a 40 deck format where any deck could win a major tournament to a 5 deck format, if you don't play one of those decks you won't get anywhere past fnm lol.
Basically any deck can play The One Ring - that’s my issue with it. I can handle the stupid Grief package, but when any and every deck just gets all of this card advantage with very minor downside is incredibly annoying.
Something others have said I want to stress: Nadu is much better in paper than on mtgo simply because of the clock and clicking. Every day I see content from many decks where people lose to the timer in situations where they'd be winning. Nadu is in this category by virtue of being a nondeterministic combo that relies on drawing your entire deck multiple clicks per card, one card at a time.
A huge factor that people seem to forget is...people hate playing nadu online. It's boring and eats up the clock. The numbers it's putting up online doesn't reflect the actual playability of the deck. You then see things like the NRG this past weekend and 15 of the top 32 were Nadu, and half the top 8 was nadu, and again, nadu won. Very similar to the Pro Tour. Also, Wizards has stated they don't want a single card to dominate a format so much to the point that it's in so many decks. The meta right now is: Play nadu (with or without one ring), play something that's not nadu with the one ring, play mono black which can also go with or without one ring, but generally uses it, OR play something to get under these decks like boros energy. I don't feel like that's particularly diverse for a card to see such a metagame share. The One Ring, Nadu, and Grief should all go. That's the only way to diversify the format again.
Nope. I LOVE the MH sets. 😁 Wizards extortion and greed pushed me out of Magic entirely. That and the fact that since Wizards doesn't bother to support anything other than Commander now, I can't find Modern, Pioneer, or even Standard tourneys within 45 minutes of where I live. The sets have been great. The insane price hikes for cardboard and ink has been awful. The lack of support for the 1v1 competitive formats is even worse.
I used to play modern from around 2015-2019, back when it was the format where “you buy the deck once and you can play it for life”. When the first Modern Horizons set came out, I couldn’t afford to keep up. 2 MH sets later, and now not only can I not afford to keep up, but my thousand dollar decks completely rotate every other year. I’m exclusively a commander player in paper now. If I want to play MTG 1v1, I stick to Arena Standard.
I think my main argument for banning one ring over grief isn’t because of power level but more because grief needs to be somewhat built around while every control deck just spams ring. Diversity in modern is key and the one ring is being playing twice as much as grief right now.
I’d like The One Ring banned over Grief. I have an argument to make though… TOR is colorless and saw play in 49% of decks at the pro tour. It’s overplayed, and able to see play in any deck. Much like Copter in Standard - which was banned. At least Grief is black and has weaknesses like Leyline or Sanctity.
I rather have One Ring banned then Grief. Drawing is way more powerful then discard. Grief isn't even being shown in most of the top decks. But the One Ring is in a tone of deck. The One Ring should be banned if we have to pick between the two.
Nadu numbers are likely suppressed due to people being unwilling to invest in a deck that many assume will be hit with a ban in some form. Not to mention modern has some significant player entrenchment with decks, so numbers are not always a perfect representation of strategy dominance.
I love one ring, its flavor is awesome. MTG just needs to make more flexible removal. if you make a path of exile that can also hit artifacts it becomes a 4 mana trade for a 1 mana. instant solve.
the issue is that the one ring still gets to draw a card when it comes down so you might be trading up on mana, but youre getting two for oned in card advantage which is arguably more important
In modern, The big difference between grief and one ring is one is way easier to interact with the other. And considering not every deck can out an indestructible artifact that give you protection for a turn and will draw you three extra cards in addition to your draw by tapping it twice. At least grief ends games the one ring keeps games going. Leading to a lot more time in rounds. Theirs one card that’s in almost every modern deck and guess what it’s not grief. Hell more decks have the other elementals featured then grief. Like grief exists primarily in reanimation strategy’s which have a lot of answers.
Also you have to kinda build a deck around grief. You have to have a number cards useful enough to be used in the deck while useless enough to be pitch fodder for grief, Thoughtseize is honestly easier to slot in because of that (4 Grief, 4 Not dead after all vs using just 4 thoughtseize and 4 cards that could be used for something else).
its not grief currently because nadu is the most played deck... but what happens when the format reverts back to rb scam? then itll be all grief all the time all over again and also the one ring... dont get me wrong when i say this... neither of the cards are healthy for the format but yeah... they honestly need to both go....
the few times i have run into the one ring it was use as protection then as a card draw and modern games end faster then the one ring can give the player lots of value
Another thing is that TOR is more polarizing than grief. Before the TOR grief wasn’t an issue and still isn’t. It does create feel bad moments but that’s way less than TOR
IMO one of the main issues of The One Ring is accessibility, which will only worsen with time since reprinting it might prove difficult due to IP conflicts.
I went 3-1-1 with Storm at my store on Sunday. Played against Tron, Zoo, Yawgmoth, Amulet Titan and Gruul Prowess. Only one Nadu player out of 16. I think its quite healthy!
I mean I like how "control" is represented as a viable deck but, as a longtime control player. I cant find myself willing to spend over 600$ for One Rings and Phlages
The problem is that they (Nadu players) are siding in Time raveler . So not only are they combining off but doing so with out interaction. So if threeferi sticks, there is nothing you can do but hope for a wiff.
Well this is a complete lie. My friend has several turn 1 or turn 3 win decks that blow Nadu and other 'staple' decks out of the format, but fold to my toolbox creature modern deck. The truth is that you're just not building good enough decks. But you are correct on the first part. Just not the second.
@@johnsmith-dn8kv i agree I am not building good enough decks. The barrier for being good enough has raised too high is what I meant. I've been priced out. Before I could lose every match and have fun because I had a chance to win. I no longer think that rogue decks have that real chance to win. When I say rogue decks not only is it something non standard but also it's something less optimal because of budget restrictions.
Yeah on the MH is rotation thing, I remember a lot during MH2 era modern when aspiringspike would call out someone in chat talking about how bad the modern metagame was with ragavan and stuff. And he would just talk on how the format is more diverse, open, and competitive than ever. A lot of old decks (like boomer jund) are long gone, not even pretending to be a part of the meta anymore. But if you leave your emotional attachments, and old decks at the door and succumb to the MH cards then you can find a wide swath of decks to play.
Nadu is a problem. Grief is a even bigger problem. But, what we are lacking here is power crip because we are skipping standard in process. Taking standard into consideration while creating a format smoothes every highs into less, let's say, absurd levels
Grief does not need to be banned in Modern. Not only is it currently underplayed with the advent of MH3, it doesn’t win the game. The One Ring will draw you into everything, supports more decks than it doesn’t (more than Grief by far) and can’t be destroyed with a lightning bolt. I don’t want the One Ring banned either but it’s a far better card, and the meta shows that by how ubiquitous it is compared to Grief.
They''ll ban Nadu 100%, the card is insane and brings many logistical inconveniences to competitive tournaments, given that a round can be able to persist more than 10-15 minutes (like the old Eggs). Necrodominance and The One Ring are a huge problem due to the big oppressive disadvantage that they give to opponents. Grief scam creates just nonsense games, it's stupid and unfair play pattern that should not exist.
Grief is fine imo. You can't Grief into another Grief. You can however draw w/ The One Ring into another The One Ring. Sure you can double Grief, but you need 1 more card for that. The One Ring is a problem because you only need 1 card, The One Ring. Edit: And you don't even take the damage for The One Ring until your next upkeep. Sure I'll draw 5 and potentially draw into another Ring and NOT take 5 damage.
are aggro decks actually meta anymore? the two aggro decks i can think of are burn and prowess, burn hasn't been seeing many results at all, and prowess is maybe tier 2. i think calling boros energy 'aggro' is misleading
I finally played against Nadu. I bought the stores Shuko just as generosity since im quite sure this will be banned in the near future. So yeah we were playing 3 player commander. Dude dropped a pair of greaves. Everybody just scooped. Also that creature that taps to untaps target creature. They forgot to say other than itself. I gotta say MTG is getting kinda silly.
Grief is the least fun card to play against. I hate it enough that playing against it makes me want to quit magic all together. Losing 2 of your best cards before your first turn and then having to play against a 4/3 menace.... just horrible.
idk i feel like if they made nadu only trigger on friendly targets instead of also removal. it just feels so incredibly bad to get 2 or 3 for 1'd even if u have the answer on instant speed
people were saying the same thing for ragavan i would just give it time id like pref less banning and more answers like how storm has so much hate maybe add more creature removal and creature hate like that 2/2 that removes all text from creatures and make those answers better
Heck, We just got many removal spell spoiled for Bloomburrow including one that is a 2 Mana Instant Speed Destroy creature with either Power or Toughness 4 or greater. The matter is to get creative and start to look for solution rather than complaining
Hear me out, i propose this for modern: Ban grief, ban one ring (or restrict in all formats, chaining protection from everything is stupid), and errata nadu to lands entering tapped. Now the only problem is necrodominance, but i don't know how to solve that
Phlage is better than Kroxa, mmm I think it depends on the time; because Kroxa used to be really good for a while particularly when we had Lurrus around, it was massive!
I went 6-3 in the challenge with living end. Played against far far more phlage decks (Boros, jeskai, mardu) than nadu. That said nadu is significantly better in paper than on mtgo
I think keep Nadu, ban shuko, there are many good replacements but I think those targets are just slightly less good, and that may be enough to adjust it, just a hair, into being a fair deck.
I think modern would be in one of the best spots it’s ever been in if wizards just ban the 3 obvious cards. Nadu, One Ring, and Grief. These cards simply create bad play patterns (double grief, double protection) and take a lot of diversity out of the format. I don’t wanna play with or against control decks that all play the same cards its just dumb.
Idk bud but it seems like you’re forgetting the interface of mtgo and Nadu. The Nadu mtgo pilots are playing the watered down version of the deck and is still doing consistently well says a lot about it.
If wrath of the skies and the whole energy package didnt exist jeskai control wouldn't even be in the top 16 ( i have been playing jeskai control since our wincon was ajani vengeant so trust me i'm well informed)
@@kylejoly577 he spoke of modern basically being modern horizons block constructed, which my comment affirms by control was dogshit before this energy package was introduced. Didn't know I had to lay it out in the exact context like that. I assume you cast goblin guides
@@cdude665 UW had the odd result online from strong pilots, and I know jeskai had none. Pretty easy to infer that it only is viable due to the new cards. Its just so plain to see that its hardly worth pointing out. Nice 'dunk' dude you really got me!!
Yeah, I worry now with the continuing power creep that Grief may be the only thing that will keep combo and other broken stuff in check. Like, I’ve beaten grief decks with 7 land Saga hands, TOR decks - not so much.
@tkdarton I think there just doesn't need to be any combo police 😈 But an actual answer: Counterspell, Thoughtseize, FoN and then depending on the combos: GY hate, Pithing Needle/Stony Silence type effects, etc.
@@taylorbates4742 I hear that. after cards like Force of Vigor I just always worry that lock pieces will get nuked, but I’d love to see them do work - very 2019 magic 🥲
Grief IS absolutely a format warping problem card. I mean, Thoughtseize was very heavily played ever since its first printing, and grief is a force of will equivalent of the same effect, with no life loss, and can be abused with flicker/blink/reanimate spells, even for one mana. I was saying thoughtseize needed to be banned instead of faithless looting back when that was happening. Thoughtseize effects are THE BEST way to deal with almost any problematic spell your opponent can have. If we printed a 1 mana destroy target nonland permanent before it was cast, it would be thoughtseize; and that's not even mentioning the information you get from looking at your opponent's hand. (I swear, if I see some idiot in the comments saying "yeah well it doesn't see the card you draw" - topdecking a good card is an out to every situation, assuming that good card is in your deck. there is no argument to be had concerning the weaknesses of thoughseize effects; they have so few it doesn't matter) Grief IS busted, and anyone who doesn't think so does not understand mtg very well. it IS a format warper in modern, PERIOD. Thoughtseize warped the format somewhat but grief is just braindead busted by comparison.
Grief is busted but having to choose between drawing cards or discard. The ring is more powerful. Drawing cards is always better and will always be stronger. It's the same reason Uro was banned and Kroxa wasn't. drawing cards. I know Discard feels bad and drawing feels good, but discard isn't that strong when you draw 10 cards off One Ring lol
Grief is very oppressive in Legacy, absolutely, but what is it actually doing in Modern? I guess it sits in the mono-black shell but the broken card fuelling that deck there is clearly Necrodominance. Maybe WOTC bans grief just so they don't have to ban Necro but if they do I think that would be absolutely silly.
TOR is far worse than grief. I dont play either, I play against both, often. Getting double griefed turn 1 aint fun, sure. But putting in turns of work to get somewhere for TOR to give ya opponent all the advantage they need to win soon as it comes in, aye, that AINT FUN. Also, after seeing a few of your other vids, its seems obvious you're quite anti-discard. Yet play mill.... Mill is far worse than discard. There is literally nothing that can be done against mill. Theres basically no mill hate at all. Especially if you're playing Tashas. Like outside of being a fellow blue boy, you can do nottin against Tashas Oh and final opinion, counter magic is THEE most busted, ridiculous thing in Magic. Hence yano half the community hating on blue. Nobody ever said "dirty green player" yano? 😅
Grief scam has never been good~ the feign death malakir has been in when the grief first came with mh2. Trading 3 cards for 2 cards with a creature on the board was not very spectacular when everyone just went for midrange and grind for value. It is now people try to go for combo ~~~ that it felt a little more oppressive. However, it is just a phase~~~
A card being expensive is not a legitimate reason to ban it in a Competitive format like Modern. Even if The One Ring was $10,000 it shouldn't be banned in Modern.
nadu loses a lot of its power in online play because... of time limitations
and I think that's funny
My hatred comes from modern rotating faster than standard
@@miller1172 you mean every 3 year after the horizon sets? Seems not that fast to me
@@vizzerdrix2747 standard rotates every 3 years now.
@@drainfafnir4465 ok but standard changes very easily and is always different, modern is more resilient to changes so it feels like you're playing the same things over and over for years
@@vizzerdrix2747 OP was complaining about modern rotating too fast though.
I personally just try and build a deck that is good for my local FNM environment. Honestly the sweaty tournament grind makes the game alot less fun in the long run.
We went from a 40 deck format where any deck could win a major tournament to a 5 deck format, if you don't play one of those decks you won't get anywhere past fnm lol.
Hush bot maybe not you if you don't know how to play 😂
Basically any deck can play The One Ring - that’s my issue with it. I can handle the stupid Grief package, but when any and every deck just gets all of this card advantage with very minor downside is incredibly annoying.
Wasn’t this why Lurrus was banned too? Like… The One Ring feels more powerful than Lurrus, but maybe I’m nuts.
When this is true, why aren‘t all decks playing Ring?
@@Bombasonnebecause it costs 4 mana
@@tkdartonOne ring is definitely weaker. Replaying your best cards, a decent body, and being a free card in your starting hand are so much better
@@tkdarton its very good, but you're crazy
Something others have said I want to stress: Nadu is much better in paper than on mtgo simply because of the clock and clicking. Every day I see content from many decks where people lose to the timer in situations where they'd be winning. Nadu is in this category by virtue of being a nondeterministic combo that relies on drawing your entire deck multiple clicks per card, one card at a time.
Just force nadu to play it through~~~ they will give up after 5games.
A huge factor that people seem to forget is...people hate playing nadu online. It's boring and eats up the clock. The numbers it's putting up online doesn't reflect the actual playability of the deck. You then see things like the NRG this past weekend and 15 of the top 32 were Nadu, and half the top 8 was nadu, and again, nadu won. Very similar to the Pro Tour. Also, Wizards has stated they don't want a single card to dominate a format so much to the point that it's in so many decks. The meta right now is: Play nadu (with or without one ring), play something that's not nadu with the one ring, play mono black which can also go with or without one ring, but generally uses it, OR play something to get under these decks like boros energy. I don't feel like that's particularly diverse for a card to see such a metagame share. The One Ring, Nadu, and Grief should all go. That's the only way to diversify the format again.
Big agree. Any deck not running one of these three just gets blown out.
MH sets actually pushed me away from playing MTG, I wonder if anyone else doesn't play modern for that same reason.
Nope. I LOVE the MH sets. 😁
Wizards extortion and greed pushed me out of Magic entirely. That and the fact that since Wizards doesn't bother to support anything other than Commander now, I can't find Modern, Pioneer, or even Standard tourneys within 45 minutes of where I live.
The sets have been great. The insane price hikes for cardboard and ink has been awful. The lack of support for the 1v1 competitive formats is even worse.
Yes, modern is dead all around, it has maybe 1/10 of the playerbase it had 6 years ago.
I used to play modern from around 2015-2019, back when it was the format where “you buy the deck once and you can play it for life”.
When the first Modern Horizons set came out, I couldn’t afford to keep up. 2 MH sets later, and now not only can I not afford to keep up, but my thousand dollar decks completely rotate every other year. I’m exclusively a commander player in paper now. If I want to play MTG 1v1, I stick to Arena Standard.
I think my main argument for banning one ring over grief isn’t because of power level but more because grief needs to be somewhat built around while every control deck just spams ring. Diversity in modern is key and the one ring is being playing twice as much as grief right now.
Exactly! Colorless 4 mana goodstuff card needs a ban.
I agree Baxter cardamone!
I can't wait in 3 years where they print a card that makes Nadu look fair.
u thnk itl take 3 years? thats basicly 40 sets between now and then ofc they will they dont actualy have any1 workign in rnd its a scam
@@RLGMiniMe any set going straight into modern has a chance to break modern. Final fantasy for an example
I would like to see both grief and one ring get banned.
I’d like The One Ring banned over Grief.
I have an argument to make though… TOR is colorless and saw play in 49% of decks at the pro tour. It’s overplayed, and able to see play in any deck. Much like Copter in Standard - which was banned.
At least Grief is black and has weaknesses like Leyline or Sanctity.
I rather have One Ring banned then Grief. Drawing is way more powerful then discard. Grief isn't even being shown in most of the top decks. But the One Ring is in a tone of deck.
The One Ring should be banned if we have to pick between the two.
Nadu numbers are likely suppressed due to people being unwilling to invest in a deck that many assume will be hit with a ban in some form. Not to mention modern has some significant player entrenchment with decks, so numbers are not always a perfect representation of strategy dominance.
I love one ring, its flavor is awesome. MTG just needs to make more flexible removal.
if you make a path of exile that can also hit artifacts it becomes a 4 mana trade for a 1 mana. instant solve.
the issue is that the one ring still gets to draw a card when it comes down so you might be trading up on mana, but youre getting two for oned in card advantage which is arguably more important
In modern, The big difference between grief and one ring is one is way easier to interact with the other. And considering not every deck can out an indestructible artifact that give you protection for a turn and will draw you three extra cards in addition to your draw by tapping it twice. At least grief ends games the one ring keeps games going. Leading to a lot more time in rounds. Theirs one card that’s in almost every modern deck and guess what it’s not grief. Hell more decks have the other elementals featured then grief. Like grief exists primarily in reanimation strategy’s which have a lot of answers.
Also you have to kinda build a deck around grief. You have to have a number cards useful enough to be used in the deck while useless enough to be pitch fodder for grief, Thoughtseize is honestly easier to slot in because of that (4 Grief, 4 Not dead after all vs using just 4 thoughtseize and 4 cards that could be used for something else).
its not grief currently because nadu is the most played deck... but what happens when the format reverts back to rb scam? then itll be all grief all the time all over again and also the one ring... dont get me wrong when i say this... neither of the cards are healthy for the format but yeah... they honestly need to both go....
Grief still has to go, both card are 100% miserable to be on the receiving end of, I do not play modern because of Grief.
the few times i have run into the one ring it was use as protection then as a card draw and modern games end faster then the one ring can give the player lots of value
Another thing is that TOR is more polarizing than grief. Before the TOR grief wasn’t an issue and still isn’t. It does create feel bad moments but that’s way less than TOR
IMO one of the main issues of The One Ring is accessibility, which will only worsen with time since reprinting it might prove difficult due to IP conflicts.
Even if the one ring was 1 cent I still want it banned
Actually in 2024 lord of the rings became public domain
I went 3-1-1 with Storm at my store on Sunday. Played against Tron, Zoo, Yawgmoth, Amulet Titan and Gruul Prowess. Only one Nadu player out of 16. I think its quite healthy!
I mean I like how "control" is represented as a viable deck but, as a longtime control player. I cant find myself willing to spend over 600$ for One Rings and Phlages
Healthy in Wizard's eyes equals "we have printed cards that COULD make you viable." Your wallet isn't considered.
I think the metagame is actually fine. We honestly could do with some unbans so people could play their cards
The problem is that they (Nadu players) are siding in Time raveler . So not only are they combining off but doing so with out interaction. So if threeferi sticks, there is nothing you can do but hope for a wiff.
You can’t shortcut nadu on mtgo it’s underrepresented.
The fact that there is always something to ban in modern now is just too much for me. I had to give it up, there are no rogue decks anymore
Well this is a complete lie. My friend has several turn 1 or turn 3 win decks that blow Nadu and other 'staple' decks out of the format, but fold to my toolbox creature modern deck. The truth is that you're just not building good enough decks.
But you are correct on the first part. Just not the second.
@@johnsmith-dn8kv i agree I am not building good enough decks. The barrier for being good enough has raised too high is what I meant. I've been priced out. Before I could lose every match and have fun because I had a chance to win. I no longer think that rogue decks have that real chance to win.
When I say rogue decks not only is it something non standard but also it's something less optimal because of budget restrictions.
Yeah on the MH is rotation thing, I remember a lot during MH2 era modern when aspiringspike would call out someone in chat talking about how bad the modern metagame was with ragavan and stuff.
And he would just talk on how the format is more diverse, open, and competitive than ever.
A lot of old decks (like boomer jund) are long gone, not even pretending to be a part of the meta anymore. But if you leave your emotional attachments, and old decks at the door and succumb to the MH cards then you can find a wide swath of decks to play.
Nadu is a problem. Grief is a even bigger problem. But, what we are lacking here is power crip because we are skipping standard in process. Taking standard into consideration while creating a format smoothes every highs into less, let's say, absurd levels
Mill playing the ring proves further it shouldnt be there
Grief does not need to be banned in Modern. Not only is it currently underplayed with the advent of MH3, it doesn’t win the game. The One Ring will draw you into everything, supports more decks than it doesn’t (more than Grief by far) and can’t be destroyed with a lightning bolt.
I don’t want the One Ring banned either but it’s a far better card, and the meta shows that by how ubiquitous it is compared to Grief.
You should try Leyline if Sanctity or Leyline of the Void vs Grief-scam - depending on build!
They''ll ban Nadu 100%, the card is insane and brings many logistical inconveniences to competitive tournaments, given that a round can be able to persist more than 10-15 minutes (like the old Eggs). Necrodominance and The One Ring are a huge problem due to the big oppressive disadvantage that they give to opponents. Grief scam creates just nonsense games, it's stupid and unfair play pattern that should not exist.
ANY of the decks that you talked about in modern, had Grief.
Nadu, Tron, Boros, Jeskai, Mill....
Grief is fine imo. You can't Grief into another Grief. You can however draw w/ The One Ring into another The One Ring. Sure you can double Grief, but you need 1 more card for that. The One Ring is a problem because you only need 1 card, The One Ring.
Edit: And you don't even take the damage for The One Ring until your next upkeep. Sure I'll draw 5 and potentially draw into another Ring and NOT take 5 damage.
Grief is not fine for modern or legacy, it is always a miserable experience to be on the receiving end of, it must be banned
The one ring is also miserable to face but slightly less so than grief
Both are not fine and must be banned along with nadu
are aggro decks actually meta anymore? the two aggro decks i can think of are burn and prowess, burn hasn't been seeing many results at all, and prowess is maybe tier 2. i think calling boros energy 'aggro' is misleading
I finally played against Nadu. I bought the stores Shuko just as generosity since im quite sure this will be banned in the near future. So yeah we were playing 3 player commander. Dude dropped a pair of greaves. Everybody just scooped. Also that creature that taps to untaps target creature. They forgot to say other than itself. I gotta say MTG is getting kinda silly.
I think you ban Grief in Legacy and in modern. The One Ring can be reprinted like the godzilla cards were so the price gets a little bit lower.
@@Erik_Sjostrom they might not be able to. It's a different companies IP and we don't know the contract between them
I think the best thing that could happen, is that modern horizon set is a rotating set.
Damn jeskai control is a control deck I would have never guessed
Phlage gaining life really makes a huge difference.
Grief is the least fun card to play against. I hate it enough that playing against it makes me want to quit magic all together. Losing 2 of your best cards before your first turn and then having to play against a 4/3 menace.... just horrible.
Personally, I would like to see all the Evoke Elementals (except the blue one maybe) banned before The One Ring
idk i feel like if they made nadu only trigger on friendly targets instead of also removal. it just feels so incredibly bad to get 2 or 3 for 1'd even if u have the answer on instant speed
people were saying the same thing for ragavan i would just give it time id like pref less banning and more answers like how storm has so much hate maybe add more creature removal and creature hate like that 2/2 that removes all text from creatures and make those answers better
Heck, We just got many removal spell spoiled for Bloomburrow including one that is a 2 Mana Instant Speed Destroy creature with either Power or Toughness 4 or greater. The matter is to get creative and start to look for solution rather than complaining
Hear me out, i propose this for modern: Ban grief, ban one ring (or restrict in all formats, chaining protection from everything is stupid), and errata nadu to lands entering tapped. Now the only problem is necrodominance, but i don't know how to solve that
Phlage is better than Kroxa, mmm I think it depends on the time; because Kroxa used to be really good for a while
particularly when we had Lurrus around, it was massive!
Next ban announcement should ready "No changes"
I went 6-3 in the challenge with living end. Played against far far more phlage decks (Boros, jeskai, mardu) than nadu. That said nadu is significantly better in paper than on mtgo
TOR is just bad design. Practically every deck can use it
I think keep Nadu, ban shuko, there are many good replacements but I think those targets are just slightly less good, and that may be enough to adjust it, just a hair, into being a fair deck.
I think modern would be in one of the best spots it’s ever been in if wizards just ban the 3 obvious cards. Nadu, One Ring, and Grief. These cards simply create bad play patterns (double grief, double protection) and take a lot of diversity out of the format. I don’t wanna play with or against control decks that all play the same cards its just dumb.
Idk bud but it seems like you’re forgetting the interface of mtgo and Nadu. The Nadu mtgo pilots are playing the watered down version of the deck and is still doing consistently well says a lot about it.
I think it would be cool if wotc would put the TOR to 1 rather than out right banning the card, its a broken card though.
If wrath of the skies and the whole energy package didnt exist jeskai control wouldn't even be in the top 16 ( i have been playing jeskai control since our wincon was ajani vengeant so trust me i'm well informed)
Well - it exists. Not sure what you're getting at
Wrath of the Skies is a fucked up card. I think that's more deserving of a ban than TOR 😂
@@kylejoly577 he spoke of modern basically being modern horizons block constructed, which my comment affirms by control was dogshit before this energy package was introduced. Didn't know I had to lay it out in the exact context like that. I assume you cast goblin guides
@@cdude665 UW had the odd result online from strong pilots, and I know jeskai had none. Pretty easy to infer that it only is viable due to the new cards. Its just so plain to see that its hardly worth pointing out. Nice 'dunk' dude you really got me!!
I agree!!
Grief > The One Ring
I just want to see Nadu deleted.. I don't want to sit across the table from that thing in any format.
Nadu should play the pickaxe
Grief is fine, one ring is not
Yeah, I worry now with the continuing power creep that Grief may be the only thing that will keep combo and other broken stuff in check. Like, I’ve beaten grief decks with 7 land Saga hands, TOR decks - not so much.
Strongly disagree.
@@taylorbates4742Maybe the combo police will be Force of Negation? Idk. What do you think?
@tkdarton I think there just doesn't need to be any combo police 😈 But an actual answer: Counterspell, Thoughtseize, FoN and then depending on the combos: GY hate, Pithing Needle/Stony Silence type effects, etc.
@@taylorbates4742 I hear that. after cards like Force of Vigor I just always worry that lock pieces will get nuked, but I’d love to see them do work - very 2019 magic 🥲
Grief IS absolutely a format warping problem card. I mean, Thoughtseize was very heavily played ever since its first printing, and grief is a force of will equivalent of the same effect, with no life loss, and can be abused with flicker/blink/reanimate spells, even for one mana.
I was saying thoughtseize needed to be banned instead of faithless looting back when that was happening. Thoughtseize effects are THE BEST way to deal with almost any problematic spell your opponent can have. If we printed a 1 mana destroy target nonland permanent before it was cast, it would be thoughtseize; and that's not even mentioning the information you get from looking at your opponent's hand. (I swear, if I see some idiot in the comments saying "yeah well it doesn't see the card you draw" - topdecking a good card is an out to every situation, assuming that good card is in your deck. there is no argument to be had concerning the weaknesses of thoughseize effects; they have so few it doesn't matter)
Grief IS busted, and anyone who doesn't think so does not understand mtg very well. it IS a format warper in modern, PERIOD. Thoughtseize warped the format somewhat but grief is just braindead busted by comparison.
Grief is busted but having to choose between drawing cards or discard. The ring is more powerful. Drawing cards is always better and will always be stronger. It's the same reason Uro was banned and Kroxa wasn't. drawing cards.
I know Discard feels bad and drawing feels good, but discard isn't that strong when you draw 10 cards off One Ring lol
Grief is very oppressive in Legacy, absolutely, but what is it actually doing in Modern? I guess it sits in the mono-black shell but the broken card fuelling that deck there is clearly Necrodominance. Maybe WOTC bans grief just so they don't have to ban Necro but if they do I think that would be absolutely silly.
Grief is miserable in modern unhealthy play patterns that makes everyone on the receiving end want to rage quit the match
@@voluntarism335 you can't really ban cards based on them being annoying. If that's your deisng philosophy then get rid of Counterspell.
i can still play domain, this is all i care abt
Click that page down to the last 14 days instead of the last 30 lol
Great video!
ocelot pride > ragavan in boros energy.
Boast creativity but tron has been around 15 years. Mtg player base are such babies.
Way not print a one card to nadu?
Nadu will just get erratta’d
Good bye midrange. I’ll stick to premodern tournaments. Wotc garbage
Mill has never been bad~ it is just not fun.
Why hate Grief now, its not that good anymore
The one ring suck so bad, feelbad all around
TOR is far worse than grief. I dont play either, I play against both, often. Getting double griefed turn 1 aint fun, sure. But putting in turns of work to get somewhere for TOR to give ya opponent all the advantage they need to win soon as it comes in, aye, that AINT FUN.
Also, after seeing a few of your other vids, its seems obvious you're quite anti-discard. Yet play mill.... Mill is far worse than discard. There is literally nothing that can be done against mill. Theres basically no mill hate at all. Especially if you're playing Tashas. Like outside of being a fellow blue boy, you can do nottin against Tashas
Oh and final opinion, counter magic is THEE most busted, ridiculous thing in Magic. Hence yano half the community hating on blue. Nobody ever said "dirty green player" yano? 😅
these mtg players wants to ban grief and ring coz they dnt have one haha. nadu should the one to be banned only and we are all good.
I feel you are just coping
About mill I mean
Grief scam has never been good~ the feign death malakir has been in when the grief first came with mh2.
Trading 3 cards for 2 cards with a creature on the board was not very spectacular when everyone just went for midrange and grind for value.
It is now people try to go for combo ~~~ that it felt a little more oppressive. However, it is just a phase~~~
Stop coping about Mill it's gone
UW mill just won the MTGO Modern Super Qualifier
The fuck you mean Mill is gone? Gone to moon? Cause it's legit been insane in modern for years LOL
Mill is truly dead.😔😔😔
the one ring needs to be banned its same price as the mana crypt.
A card being expensive is not a legitimate reason to ban it in a Competitive format like Modern. Even if The One Ring was $10,000 it shouldn't be banned in Modern.
Why not all three? Yolo.
Nah. Nadu and grief first, then the ring.