Still a matte panel though, nothing will change that. Personally glossy's picture quality will always look better for my eyes, unless you have the sun shining directly at the screen.
Surprised how most other reviews missed the overprovisioning and pixel shifting this monitor has, that's probably the most important anti burn-in measure in my view and should be present on any OLED display for PC use.
This issue will never be really solved in organic LEDs. So unless if you have lots of money to spare, I would wait for non-organic LEDs, which can do much better without all the nonsense about the dimming of corners, pixel-shifting and other measures.
It is available and enabled by default on pretty much any consumer OLED display, be it TV or monitor. Current TV's just don't have the overprovisioning, so a few pixels can be cut off.
@@juancampuzano4841 every alternative looks promising... Nothing is even announced it could be a very long time. We've been hearing about fusion power and new battery tech for decades. It's always just 10 years away in the lab.
Mine is arriving tomorrow. I’m already in a room with minimal lighting and I know to disable energy saving so wasn’t worried about peak brightness at all. Really can’t wait
This review came at a good time. Monitor is coming in today, and I'm excited about it again. For a while I was worried it's not going to be as good as I had imagined but I think the people who are disappointed got the monitor for the wrong reasons. I'm just excited to be back on a technology that can get close to rivaling the response time to CRT monitors. Playing FPS games on those was so immersive.
It is great. I was just upset I can't calibrate it at all in HDR mode on consoles. I also got flickering in Battlefield 2042 at 150-200fps. Wound up returning it, but I might pick it up again if the price goes down. It left quite an impression on me.
@@yoitsmegabe so does hdr look bad on this monitor if connected to ps5 or Xbox series s/x? To justify purchasing it had to also be good for hdr console gaming, not just a pc gaming monitor..
Thank you for hitting on some important items as I'm considering this. I agree with others, you're a great channel and resource for your area of expertise. You're also hilarious when you inject your dryer than the Sahara humor.
Been waiting on this.. I have a 27GR95QE for reference & everything he says is spot-on. Gaming, it’s a masterpiece. 240hz, super low input lag, buttery smooth. Trouble comes in a few different factors: When there’s too much light due to lower brightness. Calibration isn’t the best, but Gamer 1 gets close enough for most. HDR dimming does get annoying, but manageable. Overall, I’m happy with my purchase so far. I can’t wait to see if BFI will get introduced via software in the future. Chief of BlurBusters does say that this monitor is very software BFI-friendly, so we’ll see.. Definitely have a light-controlled room for this one.. Context: Also have a 42 C2. I play competitive on monitor, 4K eye candy single player on C2.
Can I ask, in very low (or NO) lighting room conditions, is the picture quality as good as the C2? I don't mean resolution, I'm more specifically talking about the blacks (and contrast)......do they seem as deep as they do on the C2/oled phones with their glossy coatings?
@@thepadster123 I’ll be honest, glossy will be a tad bit better, even in low to no light rooms, but think it’d be something you get used to. It’ll vary person to person. Me personally for my use case, doesn’t bother me at all, I just like 4K for non-competitive, story games.
Been waiting for your review of this. Other comments mention: your review details (especially things other reviewers missed such as overprovisioning) are top-notch. I've been using my 27GR95QE for a few weeks now and love it. My only major complaint (after fighting windows to get text rendering suitable) is the color banding I get on HDMI with a 10 bit or 12 bit signal in SDR content. Quantization errors, banding, whatever it is, it's jarring and noticeable, especially on RUclips. Did not have the issue when using DisplayPort and an 8bit signal with this display. (I forget if I had the issue on HDMI 8bit). Of course DP1.4 cannot do 1440p240hz 10bit w/o DSC, and DSC was appalling; so I use HDMI 2.1with a 12 bit signal. Oddly enough, 12 bit seemed to error less extremely than 10 bit.
@@jgvtc559 yeah I'm just going to assume you didn't read or didn't understand what was said. No worries. As mentioned/implied, DP1.4 cannot do above 8bit for 1440p240hz. You have to use hdmi if you want above an 8bit signal without using DSC (compression that doesn't work well at the absolute limit of connector bandwidth). I also said I tested both DP and HDMI. So clearly I had a DP cable on-hand. The display (and Nvidia GPUs) doesn't/don't have DP2.0.
@@jgvtc559 They just explained that; DP can't do 1440p 240hz at 10-bit without needing to use DSC (compression). Apparently HDMI 2.1 can even do it at 12-bit. We're in an awkward spot in the industry where cards like the 4090 can push crazy FPS, but they still use Displayport 1.4 which caps at 1440p 240hz 8-bit, or 4k 120hz. This can be increased with DSC, but it's lossy compression that's best to avoid. Cards as powerful as that _really_ need DP 2.0 which can even handle 4k 240fps without DSC.
Strange, for me, same TV, my 4090 has banding at 10 bit, while my former 3090 had none (well far more gradients), I guess it has to do with a lot of stuff I don't understand
Got one of these for competitive games, and I love it. While it's the same refresh rate as my Odyssey Neo G9 (which I'm planning on replacing with the LG G3 when it releases) it just FEELS so much faster, probably due to the 0.1 ms pixel response time compared to the 1-2 ms response time of the G9. Another excellent video, and I hope to see one on the G3 when it releases
@@I_Am_Hateful The PG27AQN is better for competitive games. I had both, and while the OLED looked pretty, it just didn't hold up compared to the 360hz IPS, not even in motion clarity. Once OLED can break 240hz, then I think it'll be better.
@@Masoch1st i have a hard time pushing content 360 fps on call of duty with my 4090 and 13 gen i9. i will probably going with oled instead of 360 or 500 hz ips for now. hopefully with 3d cache 7000 series ryzen or better ddr 5 ram can break the fps berries for me and get a higher refresh rate monitor than 240
@@qupeter1224 COD is very poorly optimized so yeah in your case an OLED will be better for that game specifically. But a 4090 at 1440 seems like a waste in the first place. You can't even get 360fps in 1080 in cod so it's nothing to do with your gpu
@@Masoch1st i already have a 4k 144hz hdr monitor as my main monitor to game on triple a game, planning on buying an end game monitor for cod since i spend most of my time gaming on cod and i try on my razer gaming laptop and found out even with only 240ishi is nice on 360hz monitors but motion clearty wasn’t great on my lab top screen
Thanks for your great review, Vincent. This new gaming monitor from LG has impressive performance, and I'm glad to see that it doesn't cost an insane amount of money. Later this year, during Black Friday sales, It will be intriguing to see how deeply LG may discount this monitor from its introductory price of $999.99. I'll add that I'm still waiting for LG - or any other manufacturer - to release the monitor of my dreams, which would essentially be LG's all-purpose 42" OLED TV/monitor but in a 32" size and at a reasonable price. A display of that type currently does not exist on the market.
I am so glad they added pixel over provisioning for pixel shift. I ended up turning off pixel shift for my LG C1. At first, I created my own custom res where I removed 20 pixels from each edge to do my own pixel provisioning, 3800 x 2120, and this worked pretty well for MOST games. But not all games work will with custom res, so I ended up just turning it off. I kept wondering why they didnt just make the panel 3880 x 2200 to fix this problem.
pixel density of this display (27" QHD) should be same as a 42" 4K TV so MLA is used primarily to prolong lifespan and lower power consumption. Is this indirect confirmation that a 42" MLA OLED will be coming in the future though 🤔
I know what you said at the end about how it would compare to a 360/480hz LCD is true. But it would sure make a great video! Would you consider actually comparing 240hz oled vs something considered to be the one of the fastest esports monitors in motion handling and responsiveness and such?
I love learning the super super technical stuff cause I can’t measure these things with anything other than my heart and soul :). I did notice the dimming which I thought was tpc.
Interesting review. Hardwareunboxed was not able to acheieve anywhere near this accuracy in their review, using either the LG software or calman ultimate.
it is MLA but less heat spearing result in image retention especially white, while asus use the same panel but better in clearing image retention since they add thick heat spreader at back
I thought monitors unboxed did a good job reviewing this display but you blew it out of the water you have been super busy testing this in every imaginable way and considering every single detail. Fantastic job also how has no one mentioned this monitor does not support h g I gaming that is a huge oversight for consul owners and some p c video game
Heya. I dont understand that line, that game consoles do not output HDR10 metadata. I thought, that it is there. Static with HDR10 and dynamic with Dolby Vision on XSX. Can you explain it more please?
I would love to buy one of these, if it was glossy and much brighter. I use a XL 2720 With Strubing For really good motion clarity. When OLED is bright enough for strobing I will gladly jump on board
LG is making sure to protect its brand by having as much protection from burning. I hear what you're saying but there's a reason they're playing it so safe with all of these measursz
Wow, LG really thought this through. Glad someone knows and can explain "Why?" for a lot of this stuff. Other youtubers I watched are pretty clueless...
@Exeile brightness is ok imo. I see alot of people complaining about how it's dim to a glossy panel but I never play with a bunch of lights around me so it doesn't bother me.
One of the arguments you hear against 240hz is that most games cant run at 240fps. Well, there are clear benefits in smoothness even if you are running the game at a lower fps. Running for example Elden Ring in 120hz with 60fps looks much better than 60hz+60fps. G-sync introduces input lag and its really annoying when you dont have stable fps, so i never use it.
@@Rebelscum264 No, im perfectly aware of diminishing returns. I am using a LG C2 120hz and its a big upgrade from 60hz. Heck, even going from 60hz to 72hz is a big difference. Going from 120hz to 240hz will not be that big of a upgrade, but it will still be a slight upgrade in smoothness aka true image resolution with fast moving pictures.
I have this monitor and I’m definitely thinking about returning it. Don’t get me wrong, it’s absolutely beast of a monitor for competitive gaming but it’s just not bright enough for me. I’ve turned the power saving mode off and the brightest mode let alone would be Vivid mode yet sadly DAS is turned off. You can’t enable it without Gamer 1, Gamer 2, FPS and RTS mode which those are so dim. It’s absolutely worth picking it up if it’s on sale but not worth 1k. I only have this week to return it to Best Buy so hopefully so one can grab a good deal out of it.
@@Aftershock416 No I was not near any sunlight or at the shades. I have my ceiling fan lights and that’s the only thing that shines it which was doable but it’s more with the lights off or a dark room that you can see the display.
Good job again in reviewing this gaming monitor not only for how it performs at gaming but also how it performs at displaying text. What you revealed about its mediocre text performance (not to mention the matte finish) will keep me away from considering it as my next monitor.
Awesome video! Your channel always has super informative videos. I actually have this monitor and really enjoy it so far. PC use only here, but I'm very curious about why the XBOX HDR Calibration doesn't work correctly and wonder if that extends to PS5 as well, and also if Windows HDR Calibration works correctly (I think the answer is yes, but I'm curious as to why). I think this would make a very interesting deep dive for a video as well as more detailed workaround options for those wanting to use a console with a monitor like this in HDR. Just a thought - thanks as always for the informative videos! You also confirmed what my eyes were telling me that Gamer 1 in HDR is the most accurate mode.
Yea the Xbox series x will only detect HDR if the console’s resolution is set to 4K, 120hz is accepted. I tried other setting options and this is all that works. Still performs really well however.
@@W1Z_38 Interesting to know! I more meant what he said about the HDR not calibrating properly because the display doesn't support HGiG. I guess I'm not clear on the reason for that and what else it would affect. I'm sure if you can dial it in, consoles can really look nice on this tho'.
After one ☝️ week iv realized that the one’s crying about peak brightness have either never owned a OLED before or previously used a bright washed out IPS panel. I absolutely love this monitor and it is incredibly FAST 💨
Bright and washed out can be mutually exclusive, especially with the numerous large zone count FALD lcd monitors out today. Its brightness is absolutely a con when compared to such monitors, especially since it is priced to compete with them. Ones crying about peak brightness complaints have clearly never compared or owned a good FALD lcd.
to be fair to lcds they can be good. i own an lg 42 c2 and a 27" gigabyte lcd. the gigabyte is better for brightness. im sure this will get better over time. the c2 doesnt have mla which should help. i also have a samsung qd oled tv and thats about the right amount of brightness and color. just need to put that puppy into a monitor and good to go.
Ah Master Vincent with his review been waiting for this thats all i need to know worth the price as it has last panel form LG thanks for the good work !
OLED is generally the FPS players dream. 240hz needs 4.16ms or faster pixel response. General LCD gaming monitors cannot hit these numbers in full start to stop pixel response times (don't care for "industry standard" 10-90, its 2023 not the 1960's....) Generally gaming monitors full pixel response is upwards of 6-8ms averages. Meaning because pixels are the limiting factor, refresh rates that look "perfect" would be 125hz to 166.67hz (8ms = 125hz, 6ms = 166.67hz). The OLED monitors (qd-oled, and now this panel) have sub 1ms pixel response with HDR disabled (99.9% of video games on the market don't have HDR) which means IN THEORY, OLED is the only display capable of doing true 1000hz displays (granted, the display has to support 1000hz and your pc needs to be capable of outputting 1000fps which is really hard to do). Thusly, this 240hz OLED will be THE FIRST 240hz to exist that can display "perfect" 240hz thanks to its insanely fast pixel response. I can't wait to see people put 240hz OLED side by side to the best typical LCD 240hz displays, and show people in person how much smoother the OLED will be. Sadly my QD-OLED is limited to 175hz.... and even worse, BOTH OLED are missing out on black frame insertion, which helps further improve motion clarity.... THE DAY we get a 240hz OLED that includes proper scan line style black frame insertion is the day we FINALLY overcome the legacy of CRT for FPS gaming. New age gamers don't realize that CRT with its native 60hz mode actually looks better in motion clarity than today's 240hz LCD's. The 240hz OLED will be the first to get close, but still need BFI to "beat" CRT motion clarity. For those that don't know, a CRT is analog so there is 0 input lag. And then for the "pixels" that get "scanned in" with the electron gun, it can paint a "pixel" in about 0.2ms and by 1ms more than 80% of that "pixel" has faded away to black. This effect in our human eyes causes motion clarity to be extremely high. I say "pixel" with quotes because CRT's don't have pixels in the sense of an LCD. The phosphor coating on the glass is excited with said electron gun which creates a "blotch" of color. Which is technically a pixel, but not actually a pixel. I could go into more detail but I wont, this is simple enough for most of you reading this. TLDR CRT is still the best for FPS gaming due to insane motion clarity. And the funny part is, 60hz CRT's weren't all there was, we had 120hz CRT's which were even more insane in terms of motion clarity. I feel bad for people today who never experienced the joy of CRT FPS gaming.... it was "next level" and we downgraded for smaller/lighter screens aka LCD. Anyway, super high fps displays are generally useless ONLY because pixel response isn't fast enough. SECONDARY wise if you can't get the fps, then the high refresh rate is also useless. People buying 360hz gaming displays, which cannot actually display 360hz properly (pixel response too low thus motion blur) and then they run freesync or gsync because they only get 80-150fps in next gen gaming titles.... And they don't realize the biggest failure of LCD is that they are tuned for max refresh rate, when you run a 360hz LCD with g-sync at about 120hz average, your pixel response LOWER, becoming EVEN WORSE than at 360hz.... which can really break low refresh rate gaming (more motion blur). Meanwhile OLED doesn't suffer that issue, any refresh rate, doesn't matter, pixel response remains exactly the same from the highest refresh rate to the lowest.
Vincent: THIS YEAR - is the year I'll be purchasing a new PC monitor. It will be the battle between LG META & Sammy's QD-OLED. And YOU! Your reviews will be the deciding factor!
This monitor still being WBGR is somewhat perplexing - is this just purely the fact that these panels are taken from the exact same production lines as the TVs? Even then, I don't know why you'd ever want to choose a BGR subpixel arrangement versus RGB but 🤷♂ Realistically, this is something that can be fixed in software, but whether it will be any time soon idk. The variable text rendering methods employed on Windows don't help matters.
> is this just purely the fact that these panels are taken from the exact same production lines as the TVs? most likely. Saving costs is a pretty big reason to do something imo.
It's clearly using the same technology, but it doesn't mean it's cut from the same mother-glass IMO. It has roughly the same pixel density of the 42 model, but the 42c3 doesn't have the MLA layer like this does. I don't know how the MLA layer is applied, but I would assume it's done to the mother-glass pre-cut rather than after. As for why they chose a WBGR layout, there is probably some engineering reason why it makes sense to do so, and when the manufacturer controls the underlying OS they can code the subpixel rendering to accommodate it so it isn't a problem for them. Hopefully someone at Microsoft becomes and OLED enthusiast and devises a way to windows to be more accommodating of different subpixel arrangements.
@@Your_Paramour I'd like to know that engineering reason. I just can't think logically why it makes sense. PenTile and whatever else is well understood but I haven't seen the WBGR layout explained anywhere yet.
@@Razyre I'd like to know the engineering reason as well since I can't really find anything on the topic. It does seem like BGR is the general norm for TV's, while desktop monitors it is RGB. The fact the reason isn't easy to find leads me to believe it's a very esoteric reason born out of the very early days of LCD tv's and monitors, and it's just something that's carried on for 20 years or something.
I’m confused on your PS5 HDR recommendation. So if I don’t follow the PS5 instructions on this monitor, then what should I set the PS5 HDR brightness at on gamer 1? Starting from 0, how many times should I press “up” on the d-pad? I think you said to target 650 nits, but I don’t know exactly what that should look like since I don’t have any equipment for it.
Yes. Horrendous. Who on earth who has the money for such systems does not also have a super dark controlled room? No one. I have the money to buy both a rtx 4xx whatever and an oled screen. I can afford window blinds. I also do not play much at noon. I am working. I have a 100% glossy LCD. It is wonderful for text and image clarity.
Most people have bright light in the room they use computer… In living room watching movies… it may be possible to dim lights, but at plase where you work… The lights are bright!
Hi Vincent, I found something really interesting with this panel. I was hoping you could help explain it. It has to do with tone mapping and values reported in the service menu. I looked around in the service menu (using the service remote that work for LG OLED TVs like the C1), and I found something VERY interesting. I thought you may be interested too. This panel actually shows you the current tone curve that's being used as well as the currentmaxcll that's being output by the content. Below is a link to an AVSForum thread I created if you'd like to take a look. I'd be super interested to hear your thoughts. For example, one interesting thing I found is that the panel reports cyberpunk 2077 using a 500 nit tone curve? Also, autoHDR games and games that respect the system level calibration on win11 say "603" for the tone curve, which I suspect means no tone mapping applied. Other games show a 1000 nit curve. I wanted to reconcile this with your review since you mentioned that it follows the PQ curve with a sharp roll off at 650 nits (same as Monitors Unboxed explained). Would you be able to let me know if these values are accurate, and if I should be looking at them? I listed a few more games in the threads and what the panel reports. I'm trying to figure out which values to set in games for peak brightness that do not respect system level calibration. www.avsforum.com/threads/i-wanted-to-share-some-interesting-things-ive-found-by-going-into-the-service-menu-of-a-27gr95qe-b.3273378/#post-62498695
I own this bought it online from Best Buy last week it's pretty Epic it's not too dark like everyone says I just use HDR on it have the gamma turned down to 80 in Nvidia control panel I'm coming from a 24.5 inch Asus VA I owned 1440p before Asus Swift and a Dell 24.5 but this monitor is really nice zi wish the stand came down like two inches lower but I just raise my Serta chair. I did experience eyestrain growing pains for a few days just trying to get used to it but I have real sensitive eyes to light. Makes games more fun due to less glaring led light.
Another thing to keep in mind is that LG's hardware calibration enabled image modes, as well the factory tuned sRGB mode, come with a significant processing latency penalty as per Rtings testing, which makes them really suboptimal for gaming. I don't know if it's standard behaviour (at least for sRGB mode) for WCG displays (I really do hope it's not), but for me this is a huge concern since I'm very sensitive to both color accuracy and input lag, and the main reason I was extremely disappointed after getting incredibly enthusiastic about LG's model. I wonder if Alienware models show the same behaviour with their sRGB (Creator) image modes.
I hope they make a MLA version of the 42 inch Oled Flex as well. Yes, it's stupid expensive compared to a C2, which is the exact same panel as far as I know. But personally I find the ability to go flat or curved very usefull when using it as a desktop panel.
How is it the exact same panel with a different subpixel layout, different aspect ratio, curve, different resolution and twice the refresh rate ? Its almost like saying a VW Polo 1.0 TSI is the exact same car as the Ferrari 812 GTS...i mean both are technically a car and both use gasoline but thats about where similarities end. 😂
@@ThirdLife86 oled flex is a 42 inch 4k panel 120hz, same as C2, though with a different top layer for the flexibilty. I think you are referring to the 3440x1440 flexible panel with the sub par ppi because of its size. 😉
Hdtvtest, can you guys make another OLED vs plasma video. That video is your most viewed video by far and there would be a lot of interest in another comparison. Acquire a Samsung F8500 this time as it was the brightest plasma TV ever made, twice as bright as a conventional last generation flagship plasma TV. It would truly be a better comparison vehicle than what you last used which was a ZT60. Maybe do a blind test in a dark room and take a vote in which TV people think looks better displaying identical content. I'm sure you can come up with a fun and creative plasma vs OLED video. Your audience would love this and It doesn't need to be about which is better. Of course OLED measures better with instrumentation but there is still a whole lot of people who think plasma looks better using eyes as the judging criteria. This would be such a fun video.
@@jarosawwrobel5010 The magic of plasma TVs can largely be attributed to the use of incandescent light in each pixel, which creates a color palette that is warmer, more nuanced, and simply better than OLED LED light output. Specifically in a light controlled environment. The colors produced by plasma displays are amazing, with a natural and organic quality that cannot be matched by LED light. The warm and inviting glow of the incandescent light creates a saturation that is both deep and vibrant, providing images with a sense of depth and texture that's cannot be matched on other display technologies. It's truly unique. Each pixel on a plasma display is like a tiny glowing ember, a miniature glass capsule filled with ignited gases that produces a very high quality of light i.e. plasma. While OLED displays may produce brighter and more intense colors, they lack the natural warmth and texture that plasma displays provide. They have a cold and artificial nature that feels flat and lifeless in comparison to the warm, rich, and natural colors produced by plasma. Ultimately, it is the unique use of incandescent light in plasma displays that sets them apart. This is the very reason why so many people still consider them the best. The true measure of what is good is not decided with a meter but rather with what we see with our eyes. These qualities of plasma incandescent light are what what most current OLED owners used to love about plasma TVs so much. The irony is that most have now switched to LED technology, the very thing they used to hate. Also motion handling is very important and OLED really falls short in that regard. I recently demoed a a80k, C2 and even a qn90b, they all got returned and my plasma remains. I think OLED is great but it is missing a quality that plasma provides. I'd have probably kept my C2 but the motion handling literally made me feel sick. It is so inferior to plasma motion handling. I also felt that in a dark room my flagship plasma utterly destroyed the OLED. Even SDR vs HDR. You can see the comparison videos, search " Plasma is better than OLED 2023" and you will find several... crappy comparison videos I shot. They still convey what I am talking about nonetheless.
It's been up for pre-order in Germany the past few weeks .. They even had 20% discount on the pre-orders. They are being shipped out within the next few days.
So similarly to QD-OLED it isn't gonna suffer from banding? So this is LG's answer to QD-OLED it seems given it covers more color volume as well. Can you confirm that this will also solve VRR's overbrightened gamma issue as well like QD-OLED?!
Which one has better oled panel this LG or samsung OLED Odyssey G8? I don't know what to do. I prefere 21:9 but I want 240hz. Can you compare both? Which one would you go for gaming only.
After all the negatives from other reviewers, I keep on thinking I got a very good copy (whatever the complete opposite of lemon is). While I am still waiting for a professional calibration tool, I am sticking with vivid.
Nice, but we gotta wait for LG C4 42" to use this. Really bad that they didn't implement this in time for LG C3 42". I know im not the only one using the 42" WOLED as a desktop monitor.
Really try out the screen at the local store if possible before you decide to buy. I decide to return this monitor due to the unclear fonts, it makes me really dizzy by staring at those blurring words…..
thanks for the great review, as an oled tv owner I will never buy another lcd monitor and was 1 click away from ordering a 42"tv as monitor last year but it was just too large, couldn't care less about HDR it's a bad gimmick I've seen 542 movies in HDR AND SDR next to each other 9/10 an upscaled 1080p sdr looks better on a 77" oled 4k tv than the 4k hdr
I don’t understand what HDR brightness on PS5 needs to be set to if I don’t have a calibration tool. How many times should I press *up* on the d-pad starting from 0 on all the screens?
@HDTVTest you compare this to 360 and 480hz monitors but what about LGs own 240LED? I program for a living so this being my main monitor and having text issues is a problem for me and the 240LED is of course cheaper. Have you reviewed that and have an opinion on the 2 comparatively?
Do you ever think we will get a 27" 4k oled? I don't think I can ever go back to 1440p after gaming in 4k, even at 27" 1440 seems so much more blurry than 4k. I heard the oled for a 4k at 27" can't be done.
@@Mr.Technicality i never said it's not fine, but 32" is way better. 1440p on 24" won't look as good as 1080p. these are facts. 4K 27" is just a marketing strategy to sell the monitor. for most people a monitor that is 32" and above will be big, but a 27" is more acceptable. that's why they sell 4K 27" inch.
I wish you went over color settings for the best colors, but maybe you don’t typically do that? I’ve seen it from 3 places where they recommend changing the color temp to “C1”, but idk if they’re just parroting each other.
Vincent, is it possible to write calibration profiles to this monitor, rather than have a software "middleman"? I use DisplayCAL - and I love it - but in the ideal world, the monitor would take care of the calibration.
So as a software developer who will 100% be looking at their monitor with somewhat static IDEs web browsers that sort of thing, for certainly unhealthy amounts of time, and who has a seperate monitor for the locked bar/task bar, would this be a monumentally stupid purchasing decision due to burn in? I typically expect my monitors to last 5-10 years.
Awesome video! I am assuming you were using an HDMI 2.1 port for your input lag testing. Do you have any idea if the DisplayPort port would have similar results?
240Hz is good, with gsync you don't really want to go over the refresh rate of your monitor, you just want a stable fps under the max refresh rate, so if you lock your fps to 160, you get 160, instead of "wasting" the extra frames if your max refresh rate only was 144...
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It's not only you're vast technical knowledge, it's you're contagious excitement for all the newest advancements in our hobby.
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It's crazy when you can hear the excitement over a monotone voice. He's holding back which makes it even more interesting.
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@@saint9487 Beginners.
NOT beginers.
Finally the review I was waiting for. A lot of people got this monitor wrong saying a lot of wrong stuff. Thank you Vince!
Right, i=I seen one dude gloss over response times and be extremely excited and spend a bunch of time on how good the RGB light implementation was.
Still a matte panel though, nothing will change that. Personally glossy's picture quality will always look better for my eyes, unless you have the sun shining directly at the screen.
Only other reviewer that’s very thorough is Monitors Unboxed
@@Tike22 Yup. ☝️☝️☝️
@@denisruskin348 Yup.
Glossy panel > Matte panel.
FInally, a review made by someone who actually knows what he's talking about! Many thanks, Vincent!
english teachers after they realize their monitor panel isn’t in MLA format
My teacher was lecturing because someone switched the class and date placement once
take a picture of the screen and say see...its MLA format...look at those sub pixels if you can =)
Perchannce
12:27 trash 8000-9000k color temp on lg oled
Surprised how most other reviews missed the overprovisioning and pixel shifting this monitor has, that's probably the most important anti burn-in measure in my view and should be present on any OLED display for PC use.
This issue will never be really solved in organic LEDs. So unless if you have lots of money to spare, I would wait for non-organic LEDs, which can do much better without all the nonsense about the dimming of corners, pixel-shifting and other measures.
@@StrangerHappened You could wait a decade and still not have Micro-LED. Meanwhile OLED users will have superior gaming monitors...
It is available and enabled by default on pretty much any consumer OLED display, be it TV or monitor. Current TV's just don't have the overprovisioning, so a few pixels can be cut off.
@@peterscott2662 Nano Led looks promising
@@juancampuzano4841 every alternative looks promising... Nothing is even announced it could be a very long time.
We've been hearing about fusion power and new battery tech for decades. It's always just 10 years away in the lab.
The definitive review I was waiting for 👏
Yep. The other reviews can erase themselves from the internet now.
@@Pullo83 like monitors unboxed?
Mine is arriving tomorrow. I’m already in a room with minimal lighting and I know to disable energy saving so wasn’t worried about peak brightness at all. Really can’t wait
@@Takashita_Sukakoki Nah, I was having fun. I just trust Vincent a whole lot.
@@Pullo83 this channel, monitors unboxed and rting are THE only real monitor/tv reviewers out there.
This review came at a good time. Monitor is coming in today, and I'm excited about it again. For a while I was worried it's not going to be as good as I had imagined but I think the people who are disappointed got the monitor for the wrong reasons. I'm just excited to be back on a technology that can get close to rivaling the response time to CRT monitors. Playing FPS games on those was so immersive.
It is great. I was just upset I can't calibrate it at all in HDR mode on consoles. I also got flickering in Battlefield 2042 at 150-200fps. Wound up returning it, but I might pick it up again if the price goes down. It left quite an impression on me.
@@yoitsmegabeyep and this is why a Gsync module still exists despite some saying it's unnecessary
@@yoitsmegabe I just turned HDR off for my PS5
@@yoitsmegabe so does hdr look bad on this monitor if connected to ps5 or Xbox series s/x? To justify purchasing it had to also be good for hdr console gaming, not just a pc gaming monitor..
@Not_Hotdog I used to use the BenQ monitors with DYAC, and this monitor looks just as clear as those so you wont be disappointed.
Best TV guy out there, by miles.
One the couple I like to follow. I like that he uses metrics and objective measures.
@@georgejones5019 any other recommendations?
@Agent Orange LTT does TVs and monitors. KitTechGuru, PC monitors. TechteamGB, PC monitors as well. Rtings isn't bad for general configurations.
@@agentorange2618 I like Hardware Unboxed for monitor reviews.
@@agentorange2618 Tech Giant
Thank you for hitting on some important items as I'm considering this. I agree with others, you're a great channel and resource for your area of expertise. You're also hilarious when you inject your dryer than the Sahara humor.
Always nice to see a new review by Vincent.
This is the best review of this monitor, much much better than Hardware Unboxed/ Monitors Unboxed.
You’re the only RUclipsr that said anything positive about the mat screen coating, everybody just slams it down, it’s not even that bad
I am not sure what we would do without you Vincent.
Been waiting on this.. I have a 27GR95QE for reference & everything he says is spot-on. Gaming, it’s a masterpiece. 240hz, super low input lag, buttery smooth.
Trouble comes in a few different factors: When there’s too much light due to lower brightness.
Calibration isn’t the best, but Gamer 1 gets close enough for most.
HDR dimming does get annoying, but manageable.
Overall, I’m happy with my purchase so far. I can’t wait to see if BFI will get introduced via software in the future. Chief of BlurBusters does say that this monitor is very software BFI-friendly, so we’ll see.. Definitely have a light-controlled room for this one..
Context: Also have a 42 C2. I play competitive on monitor, 4K eye candy single player on C2.
I really hope qet get BFI, I cant stand motion blur
Can I ask, in very low (or NO) lighting room conditions, is the picture quality as good as the C2? I don't mean resolution, I'm more specifically talking about the blacks (and contrast)......do they seem as deep as they do on the C2/oled phones with their glossy coatings?
@@thepadster123 I’ll be honest, glossy will be a tad bit better, even in low to no light rooms, but think it’d be something you get used to. It’ll vary person to person. Me personally for my use case, doesn’t bother me at all, I just like 4K for non-competitive, story games.
@@CarnivoryHODL Thank you 🙏
Can you adjust color settings like the white balance and set the temperature
Been waiting for your review of this. Other comments mention: your review details (especially things other reviewers missed such as overprovisioning) are top-notch.
I've been using my 27GR95QE for a few weeks now and love it.
My only major complaint (after fighting windows to get text rendering suitable) is the color banding I get on HDMI with a 10 bit or 12 bit signal in SDR content. Quantization errors, banding, whatever it is, it's jarring and noticeable, especially on RUclips. Did not have the issue when using DisplayPort and an 8bit signal with this display. (I forget if I had the issue on HDMI 8bit). Of course DP1.4 cannot do 1440p240hz 10bit w/o DSC, and DSC was appalling; so I use HDMI 2.1with a 12 bit signal.
Oddly enough, 12 bit seemed to error less extremely than 10 bit.
Why would you use hdmi on these types of monitors makes 0 sense whatsoever
You splurged on the monitor couldn't get a display port cable
@@jgvtc559 yeah I'm just going to assume you didn't read or didn't understand what was said. No worries.
As mentioned/implied, DP1.4 cannot do above 8bit for 1440p240hz. You have to use hdmi if you want above an 8bit signal without using DSC (compression that doesn't work well at the absolute limit of connector bandwidth).
I also said I tested both DP and HDMI. So clearly I had a DP cable on-hand.
The display (and Nvidia GPUs) doesn't/don't have DP2.0.
@@jgvtc559 They just explained that; DP can't do 1440p 240hz at 10-bit without needing to use DSC (compression). Apparently HDMI 2.1 can even do it at 12-bit.
We're in an awkward spot in the industry where cards like the 4090 can push crazy FPS, but they still use Displayport 1.4 which caps at 1440p 240hz 8-bit, or 4k 120hz. This can be increased with DSC, but it's lossy compression that's best to avoid. Cards as powerful as that _really_ need DP 2.0 which can even handle 4k 240fps without DSC.
Strange, for me, same TV, my 4090 has banding at 10 bit, while my former 3090 had none (well far more gradients), I guess it has to do with a lot of stuff I don't understand
how is it so far im scared about Burn in
Got one of these for competitive games, and I love it. While it's the same refresh rate as my Odyssey Neo G9 (which I'm planning on replacing with the LG G3 when it releases) it just FEELS so much faster, probably due to the 0.1 ms pixel response time compared to the 1-2 ms response time of the G9. Another excellent video, and I hope to see one on the G3 when it releases
went from a PG279QM to this and it was night and day
@@I_Am_Hateful The PG27AQN is better for competitive games. I had both, and while the OLED looked pretty, it just didn't hold up compared to the 360hz IPS, not even in motion clarity. Once OLED can break 240hz, then I think it'll be better.
@@Masoch1st i have a hard time pushing content 360 fps on call of duty with my 4090 and 13 gen i9. i will probably going with oled instead of 360 or 500 hz ips for now. hopefully with 3d cache 7000 series ryzen or better ddr 5 ram can break the fps berries for me and get a higher refresh rate monitor than 240
@@qupeter1224 COD is very poorly optimized so yeah in your case an OLED will be better for that game specifically. But a 4090 at 1440 seems like a waste in the first place.
You can't even get 360fps in 1080 in cod so it's nothing to do with your gpu
@@Masoch1st i already have a 4k 144hz hdr monitor as my main monitor to game on triple a game, planning on buying an end game monitor for cod since i spend most of my time gaming on cod and i try on my razer gaming laptop and found out even with only 240ishi is nice on 360hz monitors but motion clearty wasn’t great on my lab top screen
This is the best monitor review I’ve seen on RUclips ever.
The greatest at work!! Thanks for all the research and hard work!!
Thanks for your great review, Vincent. This new gaming monitor from LG has impressive performance, and I'm glad to see that it doesn't cost an insane amount of money. Later this year, during Black Friday sales, It will be intriguing to see how deeply LG may discount this monitor from its introductory price of $999.99. I'll add that I'm still waiting for LG - or any other manufacturer - to release the monitor of my dreams, which would essentially be LG's all-purpose 42" OLED TV/monitor but in a 32" size and at a reasonable price. A display of that type currently does not exist on the market.
I am so glad they added pixel over provisioning for pixel shift. I ended up turning off pixel shift for my LG C1. At first, I created my own custom res where I removed 20 pixels from each edge to do my own pixel provisioning, 3800 x 2120, and this worked pretty well for MOST games. But not all games work will with custom res, so I ended up just turning it off. I kept wondering why they didnt just make the panel 3880 x 2200 to fix this problem.
Glad that you remembered the password to your RUclips channel, you got us worried for a bit. 😂
pixel density of this display (27" QHD) should be same as a 42" 4K TV so MLA is used primarily to prolong lifespan and lower power consumption. Is this indirect confirmation that a 42" MLA OLED will be coming in the future though 🤔
I know what you said at the end about how it would compare to a 360/480hz LCD is true. But it would sure make a great video! Would you consider actually comparing 240hz oled vs something considered to be the one of the fastest esports monitors in motion handling and responsiveness and such?
I love learning the super super technical stuff cause I can’t measure these things with anything other than my heart and soul :). I did notice the dimming which I thought was tpc.
Interesting review. Hardwareunboxed was not able to acheieve anywhere near this accuracy in their review, using either the LG software or calman ultimate.
Probably panel variance my OLED monitors also had trouble getting the colors right as well
Monitors Unboxed you mean.
it is MLA but less heat spearing result in image retention especially white, while asus use the same panel but better in clearing image retention since they add thick heat spreader at back
32in 4K high refresh OLED monitor will be the end game. Until then, this is a welcome addition.
Don't forget glossy screen instead of mat.
@@emilioriofrio7858 Personally owning the matte, isn’t as bad as people make it out to be. Glossy better, sure, but can live w/ either or.
Prepare to wait a while then lol
@@figgyswift8754 Lol, right. My guess is by 2025.
Nah. 4K Ultrawide (5120 x 2160) is more endgame than this monitor.
I thought monitors unboxed did a good job reviewing this display but you blew it out of the water you have been super busy testing this in every imaginable way and considering every single detail. Fantastic job also how has no one mentioned this monitor does not support h g I gaming that is a huge oversight for consul owners and some p c video game
Heya. I dont understand that line, that game consoles do not output HDR10 metadata. I thought, that it is there. Static with HDR10 and dynamic with Dolby Vision on XSX. Can you explain it more please?
I would love to buy one of these, if it was glossy and much brighter. I use a XL 2720 With Strubing For really good motion clarity. When OLED is bright enough for strobing I will gladly jump on board
Why would you want it glossy though?
@@Rebelscum264 inproves sharpness and contrast. I am careful about controlling ambient light so matte doesnt add a benefit for me
I have an lg g2 tv and the gloss anti reflective coating is fine in a somewhat bright room. So don’t see why it can’t be an option on the monitor
LG is making sure to protect its brand by having as much protection from burning. I hear what you're saying but there's a reason they're playing it so safe with all of these measursz
great video, what happened to the asus oled? (pg27aqdm) It's still doesn't even have a product page..
Wow, LG really thought this through. Glad someone knows and can explain "Why?" for a lot of this stuff. Other youtubers I watched are pretty clueless...
Just got this monitor and loving it so far.
How is the brightness? I have a C2 42 is it worth getting since I only play FPS
@Exeile brightness is ok imo. I see alot of people complaining about how it's dim to a glossy panel but I never play with a bunch of lights around me so it doesn't bother me.
What is the reason for BGR?
One of the arguments you hear against 240hz is that most games cant run at 240fps. Well, there are clear benefits in smoothness even if you are running the game at a lower fps. Running for example Elden Ring in 120hz with 60fps looks much better than 60hz+60fps. G-sync introduces input lag and its really annoying when you dont have stable fps, so i never use it.
Lol. No one cares about 240hz. You will be saying 480hz FTW soon 😂
@@Rebelscum264 this. No game is realistically running at these frame rates aside from super rigs running light or aged games like LoL.
@@georgejones5019 So you just completely ignored my point. 60fps + 120hz is better than 60fps+60hz.
@@Rebelscum264 No, im perfectly aware of diminishing returns. I am using a LG C2 120hz and its a big upgrade from 60hz. Heck, even going from 60hz to 72hz is a big difference. Going from 120hz to 240hz will not be that big of a upgrade, but it will still be a slight upgrade in smoothness aka true image resolution with fast moving pictures.
@@Rebelscum264 lol nope no gear on the market and not for a while can do that consistently 🤦🏻
I have this monitor and I’m definitely thinking about returning it. Don’t get me wrong, it’s absolutely beast of a monitor for competitive gaming but it’s just not bright enough for me. I’ve turned the power saving mode off and the brightest mode let alone would be Vivid mode yet sadly DAS is turned off. You can’t enable it without Gamer 1, Gamer 2, FPS and RTS mode which those are so dim. It’s absolutely worth picking it up if it’s on sale but not worth 1k. I only have this week to return it to Best Buy so hopefully so one can grab a good deal out of it.
Did you use this monitor in front of a spotlight or in direct sunlight or something?
@@Aftershock416 No I was not near any sunlight or at the shades. I have my ceiling fan lights and that’s the only thing that shines it which was doable but it’s more with the lights off or a dark room that you can see the display.
If OLED monitors can consistently get 300 nits full-field, it will be a huge landmark
This guy is awesome, wish i understand half of the technical stuff he says
2.4 ms is the input lag you'd expect from a 400 hz+ display (at best). That's sub-refresh rate latency. DAS really showing its strength here.
Exciting to finally see monitors like this but seems to be a lot of 1st gen nit picks. Think I'll wait for more to come out and some 2nd gen ones.
Sadly if 1st gen don't sell you will probably never see a 2nd gen.
Vincent, when will G3 be available for purchase?? Fall or earlier??
I’d really like to purchase this, but a 2 year warranty on a 1K USD monitor is unacceptable to me.
When can we get this with glossy screen?
so does 45-inch LG UltraGear OLED also has MLA?
Yes it does!
Good job again in reviewing this gaming monitor not only for how it performs at gaming but also how it performs at displaying text. What you revealed about its mediocre text performance (not to mention the matte finish) will keep me away from considering it as my next monitor.
Because you would buy a "gaming monitor" to "play text" or what ?😂
Awesome video! Your channel always has super informative videos. I actually have this monitor and really enjoy it so far. PC use only here, but I'm very curious about why the XBOX HDR Calibration doesn't work correctly and wonder if that extends to PS5 as well, and also if Windows HDR Calibration works correctly (I think the answer is yes, but I'm curious as to why). I think this would make a very interesting deep dive for a video as well as more detailed workaround options for those wanting to use a console with a monitor like this in HDR. Just a thought - thanks as always for the informative videos! You also confirmed what my eyes were telling me that Gamer 1 in HDR is the most accurate mode.
Yea the Xbox series x will only detect HDR if the console’s resolution is set to 4K, 120hz is accepted. I tried other setting options and this is all that works. Still performs really well however.
@@W1Z_38 Interesting to know! I more meant what he said about the HDR not calibrating properly because the display doesn't support HGiG. I guess I'm not clear on the reason for that and what else it would affect. I'm sure if you can dial it in, consoles can really look nice on this tho'.
Can you please tell us how to setup our hdr settings for the ps5 for sony x90j clicks for the best hdr
HD never responds back but we asking him questions and he can't answer what's up with that HD
After one ☝️ week iv realized that the one’s crying about peak brightness have either never owned a OLED before or previously used a bright washed out IPS panel. I absolutely love this monitor and it is incredibly FAST 💨
Bright and washed out can be mutually exclusive, especially with the numerous large zone count FALD lcd monitors out today.
Its brightness is absolutely a con when compared to such monitors, especially since it is priced to compete with them.
Ones crying about peak brightness complaints have clearly never compared or owned a good FALD lcd.
to be fair to lcds they can be good. i own an lg 42 c2 and a 27" gigabyte lcd. the gigabyte is better for brightness. im sure this will get better over time. the c2 doesnt have mla which should help. i also have a samsung qd oled tv and thats about the right amount of brightness and color. just need to put that puppy into a monitor and good to go.
MLA was supposed to give a 30% increase in brightness. Compared to a C1 this monitor doesn't show that improvement.
@@georgejones5019 Because of the higher pixel density due to cramming more pixels in a smaller screen size.
MLA isn't magic.
Nice video, very professional. I like your glasses
Ah Master Vincent with his review been waiting for this thats all i need to know worth the price as it has last panel form LG thanks for the good work !
Did you even watch the video? The brightness is weak.
OLED is generally the FPS players dream. 240hz needs 4.16ms or faster pixel response. General LCD gaming monitors cannot hit these numbers in full start to stop pixel response times (don't care for "industry standard" 10-90, its 2023 not the 1960's....) Generally gaming monitors full pixel response is upwards of 6-8ms averages. Meaning because pixels are the limiting factor, refresh rates that look "perfect" would be 125hz to 166.67hz (8ms = 125hz, 6ms = 166.67hz). The OLED monitors (qd-oled, and now this panel) have sub 1ms pixel response with HDR disabled (99.9% of video games on the market don't have HDR) which means IN THEORY, OLED is the only display capable of doing true 1000hz displays (granted, the display has to support 1000hz and your pc needs to be capable of outputting 1000fps which is really hard to do). Thusly, this 240hz OLED will be THE FIRST 240hz to exist that can display "perfect" 240hz thanks to its insanely fast pixel response. I can't wait to see people put 240hz OLED side by side to the best typical LCD 240hz displays, and show people in person how much smoother the OLED will be. Sadly my QD-OLED is limited to 175hz.... and even worse, BOTH OLED are missing out on black frame insertion, which helps further improve motion clarity....
THE DAY we get a 240hz OLED that includes proper scan line style black frame insertion is the day we FINALLY overcome the legacy of CRT for FPS gaming. New age gamers don't realize that CRT with its native 60hz mode actually looks better in motion clarity than today's 240hz LCD's. The 240hz OLED will be the first to get close, but still need BFI to "beat" CRT motion clarity. For those that don't know, a CRT is analog so there is 0 input lag. And then for the "pixels" that get "scanned in" with the electron gun, it can paint a "pixel" in about 0.2ms and by 1ms more than 80% of that "pixel" has faded away to black. This effect in our human eyes causes motion clarity to be extremely high. I say "pixel" with quotes because CRT's don't have pixels in the sense of an LCD. The phosphor coating on the glass is excited with said electron gun which creates a "blotch" of color. Which is technically a pixel, but not actually a pixel. I could go into more detail but I wont, this is simple enough for most of you reading this. TLDR CRT is still the best for FPS gaming due to insane motion clarity. And the funny part is, 60hz CRT's weren't all there was, we had 120hz CRT's which were even more insane in terms of motion clarity. I feel bad for people today who never experienced the joy of CRT FPS gaming.... it was "next level" and we downgraded for smaller/lighter screens aka LCD.
Anyway, super high fps displays are generally useless ONLY because pixel response isn't fast enough. SECONDARY wise if you can't get the fps, then the high refresh rate is also useless. People buying 360hz gaming displays, which cannot actually display 360hz properly (pixel response too low thus motion blur) and then they run freesync or gsync because they only get 80-150fps in next gen gaming titles.... And they don't realize the biggest failure of LCD is that they are tuned for max refresh rate, when you run a 360hz LCD with g-sync at about 120hz average, your pixel response LOWER, becoming EVEN WORSE than at 360hz.... which can really break low refresh rate gaming (more motion blur). Meanwhile OLED doesn't suffer that issue, any refresh rate, doesn't matter, pixel response remains exactly the same from the highest refresh rate to the lowest.
At least 50% of the games right now have hdr support dude !
Vincent: THIS YEAR - is the year I'll be purchasing a new PC monitor. It will be the battle between LG META & Sammy's QD-OLED. And YOU! Your reviews will be the deciding factor!
G3-77 day one purchase only waiting on that panel this year
In between this and the C2 is the LG 48GQ900-B, which I have been frustrated with.
This monitor still being WBGR is somewhat perplexing - is this just purely the fact that these panels are taken from the exact same production lines as the TVs? Even then, I don't know why you'd ever want to choose a BGR subpixel arrangement versus RGB but 🤷♂
Realistically, this is something that can be fixed in software, but whether it will be any time soon idk. The variable text rendering methods employed on Windows don't help matters.
> is this just purely the fact that these panels are taken from the exact same production lines as the TVs?
most likely. Saving costs is a pretty big reason to do something imo.
It's clearly using the same technology, but it doesn't mean it's cut from the same mother-glass IMO. It has roughly the same pixel density of the 42 model, but the 42c3 doesn't have the MLA layer like this does. I don't know how the MLA layer is applied, but I would assume it's done to the mother-glass pre-cut rather than after. As for why they chose a WBGR layout, there is probably some engineering reason why it makes sense to do so, and when the manufacturer controls the underlying OS they can code the subpixel rendering to accommodate it so it isn't a problem for them. Hopefully someone at Microsoft becomes and OLED enthusiast and devises a way to windows to be more accommodating of different subpixel arrangements.
@@Your_Paramour I'd like to know that engineering reason. I just can't think logically why it makes sense. PenTile and whatever else is well understood but I haven't seen the WBGR layout explained anywhere yet.
@@Razyre I'd like to know the engineering reason as well since I can't really find anything on the topic. It does seem like BGR is the general norm for TV's, while desktop monitors it is RGB. The fact the reason isn't easy to find leads me to believe it's a very esoteric reason born out of the very early days of LCD tv's and monitors, and it's just something that's carried on for 20 years or something.
@@Your_Paramour I hope not but you could well be right 😅 If anyone could find out, I'm sure HDTV Test could!
great review, thank you!
so, this is the monitor to get?
I’m confused on your PS5 HDR recommendation. So if I don’t follow the PS5 instructions on this monitor, then what should I set the PS5 HDR brightness at on gamer 1? Starting from 0, how many times should I press “up” on the d-pad? I think you said to target 650 nits, but I don’t know exactly what that should look like since I don’t have any equipment for it.
A tutorial would be very helpful.
I like how he destroys every perception of "better frame rate is always better no matter what" in like 5 seconds a the end of the video 😂
Vincent, where is that test pattern at 2:49 from? Really like it
I have this monitor and it’s great but the uniformity issues are very noticeable IMO.
Poor Grey or white uniformity ?
For me big mistake Panasonic did not go with QD-OLED
that anti glare coating killed it.
Yes. Horrendous. Who on earth who has the money for such systems does not also have a super dark controlled room? No one. I have the money to buy both a rtx 4xx whatever and an oled screen. I can afford window blinds. I also do not play much at noon. I am working. I have a 100% glossy LCD. It is wonderful for text and image clarity.
Exactly, like what the hell??
I feel like I'm one out of 5 gamers in the world who want a glossy panel for use in a pitch black room.
@@doriangray2347 in their mind gamers are gaming in the studio or office with tones of lighting.
Most people have bright light in the room they use computer… In living room watching movies… it may be possible to dim lights, but at plase where you work… The lights are bright!
Hi Vincent,
I found something really interesting with this panel. I was hoping you could help explain it. It has to do with tone mapping and values reported in the service menu. I looked around in the service menu (using the service remote that work for LG OLED TVs like the C1), and I found something VERY interesting. I thought you may be interested too. This panel actually shows you the current tone curve that's being used as well as the currentmaxcll that's being output by the content. Below is a link to an AVSForum thread I created if you'd like to take a look. I'd be super interested to hear your thoughts. For example, one interesting thing I found is that the panel reports cyberpunk 2077 using a 500 nit tone curve? Also, autoHDR games and games that respect the system level calibration on win11 say "603" for the tone curve, which I suspect means no tone mapping applied. Other games show a 1000 nit curve. I wanted to reconcile this with your review since you mentioned that it follows the PQ curve with a sharp roll off at 650 nits (same as Monitors Unboxed explained). Would you be able to let me know if these values are accurate, and if I should be looking at them? I listed a few more games in the threads and what the panel reports. I'm trying to figure out which values to set in games for peak brightness that do not respect system level calibration.
www.avsforum.com/threads/i-wanted-to-share-some-interesting-things-ive-found-by-going-into-the-service-menu-of-a-27gr95qe-b.3273378/#post-62498695
So why is the brightness not very impressive
Will we see a 32” too?
WHEN!?
@@zoeshadownow!!!
I own this bought it online from Best Buy last week it's pretty Epic it's not too dark like everyone says I just use HDR on it have the gamma turned down to 80 in Nvidia control panel I'm coming from a 24.5 inch Asus VA I owned 1440p before Asus Swift and a Dell 24.5 but this monitor is really nice zi wish the stand came down like two inches lower but I just raise my Serta chair. I did experience eyestrain growing pains for a few days just trying to get used to it but I have real sensitive eyes to light. Makes games more fun due to less glaring led light.
If only this was 4k, 32 inch, and glossy. But hey we are getting closer.
Another thing to keep in mind is that LG's hardware calibration enabled image modes, as well the factory tuned sRGB mode, come with a significant processing latency penalty as per Rtings testing, which makes them really suboptimal for gaming.
I don't know if it's standard behaviour (at least for sRGB mode) for WCG displays (I really do hope it's not), but for me this is a huge concern since I'm very sensitive to both color accuracy and input lag, and the main reason I was extremely disappointed after getting incredibly enthusiastic about LG's model.
I wonder if Alienware models show the same behaviour with their sRGB (Creator) image modes.
I hope they make a MLA version of the 42 inch Oled Flex as well. Yes, it's stupid expensive compared to a C2, which is the exact same panel as far as I know. But personally I find the ability to go flat or curved very usefull when using it as a desktop panel.
How is it the exact same panel with a different subpixel layout, different aspect ratio, curve, different resolution and twice the refresh rate ? Its almost like saying a VW Polo 1.0 TSI is the exact same car as the Ferrari 812 GTS...i mean both are technically a car and both use gasoline but thats about where similarities end. 😂
@@ThirdLife86 oled flex is a 42 inch 4k panel 120hz, same as C2, though with a different top layer for the flexibilty.
I think you are referring to the 3440x1440 flexible panel with the sub par ppi because of its size.
😉
I own this monitor and let me tell you it’s worth every penny
Hdtvtest, can you guys make another OLED vs plasma video. That video is your most viewed video by far and there would be a lot of interest in another comparison. Acquire a Samsung F8500 this time as it was the brightest plasma TV ever made, twice as bright as a conventional last generation flagship plasma TV. It would truly be a better comparison vehicle than what you last used which was a ZT60. Maybe do a blind test in a dark room and take a vote in which TV people think looks better displaying identical content. I'm sure you can come up with a fun and creative plasma vs OLED video. Your audience would love this and It doesn't need to be about which is better. Of course OLED measures better with instrumentation but there is still a whole lot of people who think plasma looks better using eyes as the judging criteria. This would be such a fun video.
The answer is Simple. New Generation of OLED destroy plasma in everything except motion
@@jarosawwrobel5010 The magic of plasma TVs can largely be attributed to the use of incandescent light in each pixel, which creates a color palette that is warmer, more nuanced, and simply better than OLED LED light output. Specifically in a light controlled environment.
The colors produced by plasma displays are amazing, with a natural and organic quality that cannot be matched by LED light. The warm and inviting glow of the incandescent light creates a saturation that is both deep and vibrant, providing images with a sense of depth and texture that's cannot be matched on other display technologies. It's truly unique.
Each pixel on a plasma display is like a tiny glowing ember, a miniature glass capsule filled with ignited gases that produces a very high quality of light i.e. plasma.
While OLED displays may produce brighter and more intense colors, they lack the natural warmth and texture that plasma displays provide. They have a cold and artificial nature that feels flat and lifeless in comparison to the warm, rich, and natural colors produced by plasma. Ultimately, it is the unique use of incandescent light in plasma displays that sets them apart. This is the very reason why so many people still consider them the best.
The true measure of what is good is not decided with a meter but rather with what we see with our eyes. These qualities of plasma incandescent light are what what most current OLED owners used to love about plasma TVs so much. The irony is that most have now switched to LED technology, the very thing they used to hate.
Also motion handling is very important and OLED really falls short in that regard. I recently demoed a a80k, C2 and even a qn90b, they all got returned and my plasma remains. I think OLED is great but it is missing a quality that plasma provides. I'd have probably kept my C2 but the motion handling literally made me feel sick. It is so inferior to plasma motion handling. I also felt that in a dark room my flagship plasma utterly destroyed the OLED. Even SDR vs HDR. You can see the comparison videos, search " Plasma is better than OLED 2023" and you will find several... crappy comparison videos I shot. They still convey what I am talking about nonetheless.
now i just need this display on an ultrawide 34 to 36" and im heaven.
When will it come to EU? And at what price point?
Not sure about EU but you can pre order from Overclockers in the UK now. £999. Shouldn't be long before it hits EU markets.
just wait for asus rog version i think its £1100 but better.
It's been up for pre-order in Germany the past few weeks .. They even had 20% discount on the pre-orders.
They are being shipped out within the next few days.
So what’s the pixel shifting modes? Like which of the 1-4 modes are technically best?
Id like to know the same thing!
So similarly to QD-OLED it isn't gonna suffer from banding? So this is LG's answer to QD-OLED it seems given it covers more color volume as well. Can you confirm that this will also solve VRR's overbrightened gamma issue as well like QD-OLED?!
hello! If you have done calibration, could you share your game mode and picture adjust value in OSD?
I would like to se a 32" curved 4k version!
so does 45gr95qe also has MLA?
Trying to set the HDR on PS5. If you don't follow the ps5 hdr on-screen instruction, how do you know when you are hitting 650nits?
Which one has better oled panel this LG or samsung OLED Odyssey G8? I don't know what to do. I prefere 21:9 but I want 240hz.
Can you compare both? Which one would you go for gaming only.
After all the negatives from other reviewers, I keep on thinking I got a very good copy (whatever the complete opposite of lemon is). While I am still waiting for a professional calibration tool, I am sticking with vivid.
Nice, but we gotta wait for LG C4 42" to use this. Really bad that they didn't implement this in time for LG C3 42". I know im not the only one using the 42" WOLED as a desktop monitor.
They didn't implement what? Mla?
C series is not high end. Have not been for years. A = Entry level. B and C = Mid-end. G and Z = High-end. G beats C year after year after year.
@@UnbearableBearsad Nah, only 55" and up gets it.
And only the G series…
which one is brighter overall, aw3423dwfw or 45gr95qe?
Really try out the screen at the local store if possible before you decide to buy. I decide to return this monitor due to the unclear fonts, it makes me really dizzy by staring at those blurring words…..
thanks for the great review, as an oled tv owner I will never buy another lcd monitor and was 1 click away from ordering a 42"tv as monitor last year but it was just too large, couldn't care less about HDR it's a bad gimmick I've seen 542 movies in HDR AND SDR next to each other 9/10 an upscaled 1080p sdr looks better on a 77" oled 4k tv than the 4k hdr
My biggest concern is text clarity as I use the monitor for work and games.
I’ve legit never noticed the color fringing or thought the text wasn’t clear enough, and I was also worried about it
I don’t understand what HDR brightness on PS5 needs to be set to if I don’t have a calibration tool. How many times should I press *up* on the d-pad starting from 0 on all the screens?
Can we please get some information about the cooling fan inside the monitor? Does it make any noise?
Only when I turn my computer off do I hear the monitor fan on before it goes into standby so the room has to be dead silent.
Is it really impossible to fix the cleartype issues with the new 27" oleds?
@HDTVTest you compare this to 360 and 480hz monitors but what about LGs own 240LED? I program for a living so this being my main monitor and having text issues is a problem for me and the 240LED is of course cheaper. Have you reviewed that and have an opinion on the 2 comparatively?
How about txt clarity on this new panel ?
Do you ever think we will get a 27" 4k oled? I don't think I can ever go back to 1440p after gaming in 4k, even at 27" 1440 seems so much more blurry than 4k. I heard the oled for a 4k at 27" can't be done.
27" is not that good for 4K. 27" is good for 1440p and 24" for 1080p. for 4K the best option is 32" and above.
@Sapia Ntomata 27" is fine for 4k. I've got both a 27" 4k and 27" 1440 and the difference is night and day.
@@Mr.Technicality i never said it's not fine, but 32" is way better. 1440p on 24" won't look as good as 1080p. these are facts. 4K 27" is just a marketing strategy to sell the monitor. for most people a monitor that is 32" and above will be big, but a 27" is more acceptable. that's why they sell 4K 27" inch.
@@SapiaNt0mata I find 32" way too big when sitting at a desk. With a 27" I can focus on the entire screen at once. I'd rather a 4k 27 over a 4k 32
I wish you went over color settings for the best colors, but maybe you don’t typically do that? I’ve seen it from 3 places where they recommend changing the color temp to “C1”, but idk if they’re just parroting each other.
I tried C1 and was not happy with it. I did the following:
Gamma 2
R 51
G 51
B 46
Gamer 1
Windows/games HDR On
Vincent, is it possible to write calibration profiles to this monitor, rather than have a software "middleman"? I use DisplayCAL - and I love it - but in the ideal world, the monitor would take care of the calibration.
So as a software developer who will 100% be looking at their monitor with somewhat static IDEs web browsers that sort of thing, for certainly unhealthy amounts of time, and who has a seperate monitor for the locked bar/task bar, would this be a monumentally stupid purchasing decision due to burn in?
I typically expect my monitors to last 5-10 years.
I really hope theres a 32 inch 4k version
What’s the point you might as well just buy a oled tv at that point
@@JamieRobert_ cause a 42 inch tv won't fit on my desk
Praying they are working on a 32" 4k version
Awesome video! I am assuming you were using an HDMI 2.1 port for your input lag testing. Do you have any idea if the DisplayPort port would have similar results?
Saw in another video that HDMI 2.1 is superior to DP in terms of input lag and produces better colors in combination with 12bit.
240Hz is good, with gsync you don't really want to go over the refresh rate of your monitor, you just want a stable fps under the max refresh rate, so if you lock your fps to 160, you get 160, instead of "wasting" the extra frames if your max refresh rate only was 144...