Hell Anxiety | Overcoming the Fear of Eternal Torment
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- In this episode, we explore hell anxiety and ask ourselves three important questions to help spark the deconstruction of the indoctrinated belief in hell;
1. Is this fear rational?
2. Is hell a just punishment for sin?
3. What do we believe about god?
Please keep in mind that all everything I say here is my subjective opinion, and is intended to deconstruct fundamentalist/evangelical/conservative Christian ideologies from an ex christian perspective
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Sadly, the most dangerous thing about Hell is traumatizing children with the fear of it
How about babies not born yet. They will never ever be in Hell.
Good news is God does not want anyone there, and he would not send an infant for example too Hell who is not at a level of awareness and accountability for our sinful nature, and need for a Savior.
I'm gonna use this... lol
@@vampirehunter533 Babies of the future who are never born yet are the very extremely lucky ones who will never be in Hell, tormenting forever and ever, even if the parents are actually Muslims, Buddhists, etc.
@@vampirehunter533, "God does not want..." I am amazed at the number of people who tell me that I cannot understand the mind of god and then they tell me what god wants. Are you too dim to understand the stupidity of that is?
If we are afraid and in a state of anxiety we are already in hell
Fear of a God we could no longer recognize caused "Adam & Eve to hide from God. He doesn't want us to be afraid of Him. He wants us to let Him love us. Peace!
Thank you. Such truth
@@ianalan4367love us so much he blames us for his son being beaten beyond recognition and killed so he could "forgive" us. How disgusting.
KARENboomboomROXX - Hello Karen. I appreciate your making that comment and would be grateful to have serious consideration to my reply.
I do not know where or how you came to such a conclusion regarding the crucifixion and the ascension. I can assure you that is not what I believe nor has it ever been the official teachings of the religion of Jesus Christ. In fact, it is darn near the opposite of what we believe. There is a lot to this, certainly more than we could sufficiently cover here, but God does not ‘blame us’ for the sacrifice of Christ, He willingly stretched out His arms for us. This signifies a God who loves us and wants to redeem us into that love, not a wrathful vindictive God seeking to punish us.
Please know I would never try and force my beliefs upon anyone and I darn sure would never tell you what to believe. That is your choice and all existence (in a Christian view) including loving God is predicated upon our freedom to make such choices. I do think it is critical though to understand the choices we make in life. I would not ‘tell you’ to be a Christian. For all I know you may not even believe there is a God. We don’t have to believe in something though, to understand what others actual believe. To not believe in something (or object to something) without actually understanding what we are objecting to isn’t actually an objection. It’s a misunderstand. If you are interested I would be humbled to offer you resources as to what Christianity has always claimed of the resurrection that is in stark contrast to what you stated. That way you can (if inclined) make objections to what we actually believe as opposed to a distortion of it.
I respect your freedom of choice more than you realize, so, I will only do so if requested.
Peace to All!
@@ianalan4367 I'm good. I spent over thirty years in many churches and reading the Bible, praying, going to bible studies. I'm all filled up on all the conflicting views and obvious narcissism of the " Lord God" spoken of in the Bible. 😎
I remember being a kid, sobbing at night because I was terrified of hell, but also afraid to be baptized because there was no way I could live up to the expectations. Later in my life, my dad also left the “One true church” and the fear is hell, the “ What if I’m wrong?” came up a lot. It was good to have him to talk to.
@mcr9822 I think you missed the point of being baptized and what salvation means, it’s not saying I’ll never sin again or making a commitment to perfection if that’s how it was told to you then im sorry, it’s a public profession of faith to be baptized and your sins are forgiven by the power of Jesus as soon as you ask, the reason Jesus died was because you couldn’t keep the law nor can anybody else at least to the standard God has. You needed only repent the work Jesus started begins when you repent and finishes when your before him only then are you made perfect, if you truly believe then you will sin less than before and as you continue your walk you would become more holy and there would still be times of bountiful fruit and times of lil to none but you would still be saved because of your faith in Jesus would credited to you as righteousness
this is the sickest thing religion has done, psychologically traumatizing children. Detestable. I'm glad you and your father are finding ways to recover.
It is understandable and that is what a lot of people think of Hell. They think it is a terrible place to spend eternity suffering in a way that is worse than death. I wonder how many children had nightmares about it and needed therapy to get that wickedness out of their heads.
Hell was not originally prepared for man. It was prepared for Satan and his angels (Matt 25:41). Jude 6 states that fallen angels are placed in chains awaiting judgment. Yet, when men and women join the devil in his work and live in servitude to him, they must suffer the same fate that will befall Satan. If a person ends up in hell, he is lost by his own free choice, not God's arbitrary decision. Such a person has no one to blame but himself. Many see no need to be interested in spiritual things and are indifferent to the pleas of the gospel. Others refuse to obey the gospel or submit to the will of God. Some refuse to believe. Others just love sin more than righteousness. Some, though once obedient, have become unfaithful in service. Many put off obeying until it is too late.
Hell is real. The suffering of it is waiting for the sinful. You can escape the torments found there by giving obedience to Christ now. He will wash away the guilt of your sins and grant you hope of a life of eternal bliss in His presence. All you need to do is humble your heart, ask for forgiveness, and trust in Him, and You dont have to go to hell. Its easy, its free, and its worth it! Why take any chances? The Gospel is good news, why would you be against it? God sent Jesus to save us because God loves each one of us (see John 3:16-17). Jesus prayed for His followers, including us, to be protected from evil and to be one with Him and Heavenly Father. This life is short. Its temporary. You never know when your time is up. Its not about religion, or going to church. Its just between you and God. One on one relationship, through the Holy Spirit, who is given to you upon salvation. The Holy Spirit is the difference. You wont regret it, and you will peace in your heart, and mind, knowing you have assurance of where you will go once your time is up. So please think about it. Its never too late until your life is over, then there is no turning back. So today is the day for salvation. Dont wait! Be blessed!!
@@wanderer44-xr5si All BS. The name came from the Goddess Hel and her domain. It's not even in the original manuscripts. Hades was what they used along with other Greek mythological terms because Christianity is just Pagan Judaism. Of course, even Judaism is pagan in origin. Please stop telling people to follow your BS religion that is newer than all the other religions that came before Judaism and many others. Thanks.
"They know the most effective tool for getting you to stay where they want you to stay, think and believe what they want you to think and believe, is FEAR.
And if they can make you afraid. They can make you do almost anything they want you to do."
True 💯
There is no “Christian conspiracy”. There is no “they”. People believe in God because they have had a PERSONAL EXPERIENCE with Him. A relationship. A sonship. Like I said before you’re afraid because you should be.
@@productamadeus8745if I have to believe in my creator and praise him or he will throw me into a pit of fire for eternitythen I want nothing to do with that creator
@@carterfamoly That’s strange coming from another human. Cause you never want to be told thank you. Or, when you’re the boss somewhere….you just let your employees do whatever they want! Any boss that thinks he’s gonna come on here and tell ME what to do is EVIL. You are never in control in any of this. If you don’t believe in Christ, it has nothing to do with not choosing him. It has EVERYTHING to do with He didn’t choose YOU!
@@productamadeus8745 dude reread what you just said, it made absolutely no sense I stated the fact that if I have a “creator” and I have to follow his rules and his ways or I will be punished I don’t want to be part of the “game of life” it’s like a parent telling you what to do and if you don’t do it they will throw you in the basement and light you on fire does that sound fair?
@@productamadeus8745Get a fucking hobby.
If you have to feel afraid of YOUR god torturing you for eternity, how could you possibly love or respect that god at all?
That’s exactly the point i came to in thought.
It’s really nothing but blackmail and Stockholm’s syndrome.
Its better and much more luckier for those wombs who are not able to be born. They won't end in hell and suffer forever and ever.
@@sootuckchoong7077 that's not even a good thing. Your "God" BTW is the beast.
They teach you about the carrot before they take out the stick.
God doesn't torture you its Satan and his angels when you are cast in hell you are separated from God because the actions and decisions you made here on earth. This lady is a liar and is trying to dissuade people from believing in God. Their souls are on her hands because what "ex Christian" would post something like this??? The bible says "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom" Her videos are very insulting
I find it comforting to come here and know that i am not alone in my experiences of leaving the faith.
@christinawoodard6252 Absolutely. A terrible reason to do anything. It had a profound effect on me though. By the time I left I was convinced I was a terrible person and a terrible human being. It's been over 2 years now and on occasions I still think to myself ' wonder if I now feel like this because the spirits which left me have now come back and made me worse' or 'I wonder if i dont feel compelled to do things because God now sees me as an illigitimate child and is leaving me to do what i want'. It may take a while to think like a normal person.
@christinawoodard6252there is a whole lot that has been said on this subject, look it up. The subject is called the pascals wager. This idea of doing something, ie being a christian, because it is not that bad compared to the consequence of being wrong, ie going to hell. Generally speaking, the pascals wager is considered a logical fallacy. Secular people use the same trick to manipulate people as well. Taking the shot from a well established criminal, ie pfizer, is not that bad compared to being wrong and infecting/killing your whole family. Fear is a weapon used against you. If you are unable to control your fear, it will control you and others will control you.
There is a thin line between bravery and stupidity, but it is less of a problem if you do something stupid sometimes, then if you never do anything because of fear. That is why those that are trying to control you always try to make the alternative to believing them seem horrible. Like you will burn forever if you do not do what i say or you will kill your family if you do not obey me. F all of them! ✊🏻
Hell is real, and you dont want to go there. Only Jesus provides the way to be right with God and to be assured of going to Heaven. Hell was not originally prepared for man. It was prepared for Satan and his angels (Matt 25:41). Jude 6 states that fallen angels are placed in chains awaiting judgment. Yet, when men and women join the devil in his work and live in servitude to him, they must suffer the same fate that will befall Satan. If a person ends up in hell, he is lost by his own free choice, not God's arbitrary decision. Such a person has no one to blame but himself. Many see no need to be interested in spiritual things and are indifferent to the pleas of the gospel. Others refuse to obey the gospel or submit to the will of God. Some refuse to believe. Others just love sin more than righteousness. Some, though once obedient, have become unfaithful in service. Many put off obeying until it is too late.
Hell is real. The suffering of it is waiting for the sinful. You can escape the torments found there by giving obedience to Christ now. He will wash away the guilt of your sins and grant you hope of a life of eternal bliss in His presence. All you need to do is humble your heart, ask for forgiveness, and trust in Him, and You dont have to go to hell. Its easy, and its worth it! Its a relationship with Jesus through his Holy Spirit, not a religion. Has nothing to do with church. Its between you and God. Religion will only disappoint. All you need to do is repent, which means to turn from sin, and trust in Jesus, by asking Him to take control, and live for Him. Its easy. And when you do that, He sends His Holy Spirit to come live on the inside of you, and transforms your heart and mind. The Holy Spirit is the Key and the difference between religion, and a relationship. It changed my life for the better. The Holy Spirit is Gods seal of salvation, and your evidence you have been truly changed, and are going to heaven. All its takes is faith. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. Trust me, hell is very real, and you do not want to end up there and realize you were wrong, and its too late. Look around you, Jesus is real. You may try and convince yourself hell is not real, but deep inside, your heart tells you the truth. Jesus loves you, and wants to give you eternal life in heaven. We are only here on earth for a short time, but eternity is forever. Please re-think about it, and give Jesus a chance. Humble your heart before its too late. We are not guaranteed another day. All you need to do is simply, humble your heart and pray with faith, I repent of my sins, and I turn to You. You said in Your word that if we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus,, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, we shall be saved. I ask You Father to forgive me of all my sins, and ask You to fill me with the Holy Spirit, and take control of my life. it with peace and joy like you never had before, as well as eternal assurance in heaven when your time is up. God bless
So true. I’m surrounded by people in fear and they don’t realize what fear mongers they have become themselves
are you 100% certain of that? I dont think so. Nobody can be 100% certain. But if you are wrong, its gonna be too late once your time is up. Are you willing to take that chance? eternity is a long time to be wrong. There is still time to ask Jesus into your life. He cares for you, and does not wish for you to leave this world without Him. Not trying to create fear in you, just letting you know you dont even have to worry about it at all if you just put your trust in Jesus. He cares for you, and wants to give you eternal life in heaven. Its a great message. He did it for me. He completely changed my life, and I know He will do the same for you. Believe me, its worth it. All you need to do is simply, humble your heart and pray with faith, I repent of my sins, and I turn to You. You said in Your word that if we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus,, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, we shall be saved. I ask You Father to forgive me of all my sins, and ask You to fill me with the Holy Spirit, and take control of my life. Its not about the words, its about your heart, because God knows your heart, and your true intentions. So if you truly want to live for the Lord and have assurance of salvation, then He will respond, and create in you a new heart and love for Him. I left a quick video to guide you if necessary. Will pray you have a change of heart, and put your trust in Jesus 100%, because He cares for you, and He has a special purpose for you. Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Will pray for you. Be blessed. ruclips.net/video/qYFWsIvvZdc/видео.htmlsi=YB4uPKrZaIRbKobv
This fear has kept me paralyzed since I left a cult I was born into at 17, unable to live my life or make any kind of decision, just lock myself up in my room, terrified. I feel somewhat better now. Thank you for this.
Faith over fear of hell. God is love! He doesn’t save us to lose us❣️
Dude it's so painful
İ am not Christian bro but i can understand what kind of feeling is that
I have told people my main goal in life is to be completely free of this fear by the time I'm on my death bed. Excited to listen to this now!
Thank you for that.. One way of thinking about is asking where you were before you were born. The answer to that is the same as the answer to "where will I be after I die?".
Repent while you still have time!!!!
Same honestly
Thats a delusional goal 😂😂 and a heartless one
@@vadouis-rt3of and you are delusional or dum by choice or I said words you didn't like so you automatically deny what I say cuase you can't think?
"Religious Trauma Syndrome" is a real thing. Rejecting one's religious indoctrination is difficult. Following your own mind and heart in opposing belief/believers requires great courage in the face of fear.
She can't even make it past creation. The 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics show creation couldn't happen on its own, it had to be supernatural and at some point.
So Hell is probably the main reason I still "believe" and go to church (well, other than I like the music and also makes me think for an hour a week about being a better person). I am with Pascal who basically said, worth it to just be a believer just in case you are wrong and hell really does exist. A giant insurance policy. Which probably won't save me from hell anyway...sigh. There is an atheist channel where he analyzed hell in 5 different major religions and asked what would get him sent there. Turns out Jewish hell is the best, it's only 1 year long and it's mainly to improve you so you're a better person/soul at the end...I feel it's time for a conversion...
@@erbiumfiber you're right, just 'believing' as an insurance policy won't do you much good. If you don't believe in your heart, as it says in Romans 10:9, but just act as if you do 'just in case,' I doubt it's doing you much good. "Hell" is actually the lake of fire. It's not eternal. It's the punishment for sins unbelievers will be thrown into and once their punishment for them is done, they will no longer exist.
@@erbiumfiber I don't think there is a literal hell. Most references like that in middle eastern writings refer to mental anguish, which can be hellish enough. 😱
“Hell is not a place, no, but a state of the soul. That begins here on earth. Just so paradise dwells in the heart of man. It is in this life, in this earthly form, that we may first touch the Divine.”
- St. John Maximovich
My wife who was never a serious believer still struggled with the idea of hell for years. Its not only in the religions its in the culture
The struggle of what happens when we die is something that most people feel the need to resolve in some fashion. Personally, I never understood why. It seems perfectly satisfactory to me that we just die and cease to exist in any meaningful way.
It's a HUGE choice. You don't even care to see how clear the bible made things clear. By freedom of choice, certain events required a redeemer. By that freedom of choice, a redeemer fulfilled the requirements for the gift of salvation to all. Satan lost so all that is left is for him to deceive. You're happy with being deceived and passing up salvation offered in Romans 10:9. You will not have an eternal burning, you will though have to pay the price for your sins since you chose not to be saved by them. Once that is done, you will no longer exist, not even in memory. All by your choice.
@@2fast2block That's fine. That's what I think is going to happen anyway. I'd rather not spend eternity with a psychopathic narcissistic tyrant, or be tortured forever for not believing ridiculous nonsense. I'd rather just die and stay dead.
@@2fast2block the bible is awful front to back and what isn't horribly violent is such nonsense most insane people would say that's cra cra. My choice not to bang my head against a wall till the bible makes sense is a good choice
Jesus said (“Most assuredly, I say to you, he who hears My word and believes in Him who sent Me has everlasting life, and shall not come into judgment, but has passed from death into life.
John 5:24 NKJV)
Hell is the second death, where people who chose to be unholy go. They can't be with God because he is holy. God is long-suffering not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Even after deconstructing, I ask myself 'what if I'm wrong' often. Your content has been a great help and really helped my anxiety. Thank you so much!
That is the same thing I have an issue with.
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I know what you mean this life is only temporary eternity is for ever does anybody have 100 percent proof god is not real
@@dr.c9461 Do you ever wonder whether you are wrong about Yamaloka? Or about Helheimr? How about Hades?
I never once thought about being wrong about any of those just the way I never thought about being wrong about christian hell.
@@joshconner79 That's just an abriged version of Pascal's Wager. What if Shiva was the correct god and believing in the christian god enrages him? Suddenly your "eternity" gets a whole lot bloodier.
The thing is: We can't possibly know any of that. And if there is a god, it knows that perfectly well. From here there are a few options. This god could reward/punish us based on our merits. So living a good, honest life should suffice. It could also torture us forever for not being born into the correct religion. Which would make that god an immoral monster not worthy of worship.
Or literally anything inbetween. All this is guesswork and our current best understanding of the matter is that we simply cease to exist after death.
This has to be the single most helpful thing I've heard in my journey to heal from this fear. Thank you.
I grew up with super-fundamentalist parents. I was indoctrinated with literal hell at an extremely young age. When I was 3, they took me to a “realistic” dramatized movie about hell on a big screen. I was genuinely moritfied by that experience. Throughout my childhood, I said the “Sinner’s Prayer” probably hundreds of times privately because when I would inevitably sin, I felt so guilty and scared of hell that I had to do it again…and again…and again. Years ago, I stopped believing and my life has improved greatly. But I still have anxiety and depression and I’m convinced it’s attributable to my toxic childhood existence.
The repetitive “sinners prayer” was incredibly relatable. I have a lot of moments In my life where I think I might die like getting shot on the street and instantly try to “repent” or pour my heart out. I have no idea what to say or what is true to me anymore so I spend countless hours trying to find My truth. It’s a very ocd cycle and I wish for my heart to be filled with love and not fear.
Since young, I never had any fear of hell! Thinking that, since I'm already a Christian, I'd sure end up in heaven!
@@sootuckchoong7077that was me till I was told that I could be a lukewarm Christian 😭
For fundamentalist Christians the only truth is their interpretation of what they believe to be the inherent word of God, the Bible. Anything outside of that is "of the devil"
I feel sorry for your childhood, but am relieved that youre doing better
As an ex-muslim I can assure you that it is as hard for me to let go of the fear of Hell (islamic hell) as it is for you ex-christians. However, It never occurs to me that I will be standing in front of Jesus when I die, because that's not what I have been programmed to believe.
O.k. standing in front of Allah, just as terrifying!!
@@williamkinkade2538 And just as nonsensical.
@@HolySpiritIsSatanOfSinDethHell Bla, bla, bla. All you have is claims and nonsense. The bible is a crappy book of hate. And you are making excuses for it.
@@HolySpiritIsSatanOfSinDethHell Most Christians do a crap job of following the Bible anyways. If Heaven and Hell were actually real, you can be assured that Hell is mostly stocked with Christians, just due to the disgraceful failure to live up to even the most basic tenets of their own religion. Random atheists and followers of other religions just randomly get more of it right than most Christians do.
Is people becoming Muslims because of fear? But people becoming Christians is because of love!
I just wanted to say that watching your videos has helped me so much with deconstructing my faith and resolving my fears of Hell. I felt very alone in the beginning of this journey but YT has a great atheist community and you're one of the best! ✨ thanks for all you do! 😊💜
I'm so happy my videos have helped! Happy to have you here :)
You're not alone. Stay strong
It’s the concept of sin that is so emotionally and psychologically damaging for me. I hate what fear does to people..,Thank you for this.
The idea of some actions being bad is damaging?
@@andrewwilson9183 The idea of burning eternally just because you have done bad stuff when you were alive and that you will never be able to repent in hell for some shitty reason is
@Nick-gy6edyess and on top of that normal human emotions and feelings are considered all sinful.but somehow for “god” those feelings and even worse actions and emotions are ok??
@Nick-gy6ed well why don't you repent here then, also he'll isn't eternal in the first place hell will be cast into the lake of fire to be destroyed alongside death. You don't burn forever and ever the wicked don't get eternal life, its good to read the Bible first so you can have the right framework to go off of Romans 6:23
King James Version
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
If you can keep a mass of people both Ignorant and Afraid, you can rule them for the rest of their lives.
Yes, I really was hungry for God and gave it my best shot. Several years ago I was kicked out of a church, and upon reflection of this incident, I theorize that it may have been because I kept asking some very hard questions regarding the bible. Nowadays, I can honestly say that I'm almost an atheist. Strangely, it seems more liberating and life is much more precious now.
That's not strange, it's actually quite logic.
Believers can't wait to die and get to the supposedly better afterlife, therefore they do not consider life precious.
Atheists have nothing to die for, for them life is the most precious thing imaginable.
You left a controlling system and religion of man. God didn't kick you out..man did.
You were freed from that system because you sought the truth..and that truth set you free.
@@thomasg627 Believers can wait to die. Trust me. Life is very short.
@@theboombody Christopher Hitchens once pointed out the enormous effort the Jews are putting into accumulating ever more land around Israel, because they believe if they gather ALL the Jews there, that's when judgement day and the end of the world comes. Of course only the radicals are behind this, but unfortunately those are in the government and if they had time to wait, they wouldn't rush things and kill as many Palestinians as they do.
Totally agree about how precious life feels after leaving Christian belief behind
I just came upon your channel and I have to say, it’s so. refreshing to hear all of the conflicted feelings I’ve had since childhood described in such a clear and intelligent way.
Thank you!
Religion twisted my mind. My 1st step to recovery FROM R was to understand biases and cognitive dissonances that kept me from finding truth and logic.
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You have to deconstruct before you can reconstruct. Brilliantly said by you, thank you.
Love the way your mind works, Kristi!
I was a fundamentalist Christian for my first 20 years. But questioning basic tenets, as you suggest, brought me to a state of agnosticism. I was too afraid at first to declare myself an atheist, but I knew the god of the Bible was internally inconsistent and monstrous, therefore not likely to be real. Overcoming the fear of hell (because it's a cruel and stupid idea and at odds with justice and reason,) despite deep indoctrination, allowed me to overcome the more general fear of death, which greatly improved my life-even while I searched for some smidgeon of truth about my childhood god or a reasonable facsimile of a personal god like it who cared for me. Didn't find one. It took me another 28 years to finally admit I'm an atheist who is willing to become a theist if there were even a trace of evidence for some sort of god. There has been none.
So I happily live my life, being good just because it's the right thing to do, without anxiety about hell or heaven. I like Mark Twain's quote: "I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it." Eternity may or may not be real, but I'll not be around for it, so I don't worry about it. When I die, I figure I'll slip into that great void I came from, not as punishment, but as the natural order of things. I try to make the moments I have count. It's all I can do, and I'm at peace with that.
Yes. You pointed out why people need not worry. I often wonder if those preachers who focus on hell are not actually people who love pulling wings off flies in their spare time.
Most of those preachers are nothing more than misanthropes in nice business suits. John MacArthur comes to mind.
Shocker! Some "Men of God" are hypocrites. Is that your point?
Well. After the World Economic Forum have changed the world economy. If you are asked to have some kind of mark, like on the hand or forehead, don't do it!!!
@@timmyholland8510
I can remember about 50 years ago when plastic cards were being introduced for such things as banking and shopping. Religious fundamentalists and conservatives were advising the rest of the world to steer clear of them because they were associated with Satan's mark of the best. I can remember a decade or so later when people were pointing to the birthmark on Mikhail Gorbachev's head and saying "Look, the anti-Christ".
People have been seeing the Mark of the Beast and the anti_Christ for millennia.
@@Lerian_V
Hypocrisy is not my point. Rather it's that if a preacher is something of a sadist by nature then with the concept of hell, he has a great tool for psychologically hurting people.
This one hit home hard especially for my wife. Thank you so much for this! You’ve helped the both of us especially her, you are a true blessing❤
Good job Kristi.
The *threat of hell* has been a very *effective tactic* used to convince people to *join the religion* and to *keep that person in the religion..* and also *abide by its doctrine.*
Although a fairly *simplistic strategy,* it has served the religion and its authors well, and is one of the *big reasons it has become so prevalent* in the world..
..But the worst or 'best' part about the *"hell threat",* is that it tends to cause *anxiety* in *children.*
Later in life, when they should be able to *outgrow it,* many *can't let it go.*
I had no concept or fear of Hell when I first encountered Jesus Christ. In the decades since no one has ever threatened me with Hell. I remain a Christian because I am help i held by the love of God.
Hell is like prison. You should be scared of prison, but that’s not its purpose. It exists to uphold justice, to keep things fair for those who do things wrong. You do not have to worry about going to prison because you haven’t broken the law. You should be scared of Hell, but you don’t have to worry about going there. I trust that Christ’s sacrifice is sufficient enough for me *(Romans 5:1-2, 8:1, 8:31-34, Matthew 19:26, 1st John 5:11-13),* and I’ve also examined myself and I’ve ticked every box required to be a Christian *(Galatians 6:4, 1st Corinthians 11:27-31, 2nd Corinthians 13:3-5).* We know that God never lets us down *(Psalm 27, 145, Deuteronomy 31:6, 31:8, Luke 1:37).* We know that he never lies *(Psalm 111:7, Numbers **23:19**, Hebrews 6:13-20).* We know that he is very wise *(Proverbs 2:6, Romans 11:33, 16:27).* Finally, we know that his nature is unchanging *(Malachi 3:6, Matthew 24:35, Hebrews 13:8).* Finally, you do good for the sake of doing good and not out of fear of going to Hell *(1st John 4:19).* Although prison exists, it is not meant to scare you into being good. It is just to uphold justice, and it is the exact same with Hell. It is so much simpler than you realize. I have a friend who is a former Christian and he had the exact same worries about Hell. We debated over it and I proved to him with these verses that his worries were completely baseless. He quietly stopped responding to those points during our debate, so I assume he agreed with me. This video is no different to the arguments that he presented.
@@Mere_Christian And again: what would attract me to a religion that says I should either be fearful or lose infinite love?
What would attract you to Christianity is this:
God created you to live a morally perfect life and rule over a blissful creation, but you broke his holy Law and therefore deserve punishment. However, God still loves you and sent Christ to endure that punishment for you so that if you repent of your sins and trust in his penal substitution, then you’ll be saved. You will have complete assurance that your sins are forgiven as demonstrated in *1st John* and you follow his Law out of natural desire *(1st John 4:19).* Through his death and resurrection, Christ redeems you and can make you morally perfect through sanctification, which enables you to bring about that blissful creation.
You have not been following, have you? God, to judge by the bible, is not a morally admirable entity - promoting slavery, committing genocide, drowning the whole world including all the innocent animals because he wasn't happy with the humans he created, encouraging just one family to multiply ( incest) and on and on ...Why would any one want to follow such an immoral example? @@Mere_Christian
I love it that you encourage people to do their own research. I do too as a Lutheran pastor
some help with your research, past0r:
"To lie in a case of necessity or for convenience or in excuse - such lying would not be against God; He was ready to take such lies on Himself"
- Luther (who somehow "knew" the sex/gender of the g0d)
by the way, how does the math work here? Do you expect more or less donation when you lie to children? I mean, yes, they are easier to manipulate into Middle Eastern magic, but they are often so noisy.
@@istvansipos9940 God refers to Himself as a male. I agree that lying in self defense is not a sin, neither is killing someone in self defense. As far as donations go, I have nothing to do with them, as no pastor should. We pastors should only be focused on spiritual things, not money, which distracts from spirituality.
@@larryhoyt143 "God refers to Himself as a male."
God doesn't do anything. The backwards primitives who wrote the bible and thought women were property created a male god in their image because that was part of their culture. That's why this god is constantly angry, jealous, wrothful, genocidal and sexist.
@@larryhoyt143 GOD doesnt ID as male. He uses the male pronoun but GOD never affirms to have a gender.... oh my gooness! another deluded pastor
@@istvansipos9940 you assume lie to children ... hell is a warning and not a threat and yall lie to the children 24/7 because satan wants yall in hell with those children too
I absolutely love listening to you. I have never been involved in religion, but always believed in God and reasoned exactly what you've said. Why would God make me ME and then turn his back on me for being me. To much "love one another" and then "but not them..." people claim to live 'Christ-like' while condemning everyone. Keep these messages coming 😊
Your airwaves is saturated with modern/Protestant version of Christianity. If you want to understand authentic Christian beliefs, look into traditional Christianity.
God has not turned his back on you. Jesus died on the cross for you, and offers you the same forgiveness from son he offers everyone else.
@@ChrisSmith-xh9wb Hi. Are you thinking you sound smart or something when you say that❓
Ok, PREACHER guy, see if you can handle this question...... What happens if a person DOES NOT go along with 'forgiveness' as you said ⁉️ 🤔😨
HINT:::::: It seems to be the main subject matter of this video‼️😬
@@Lerian_V Yeah sure b/s is still b/s
@@Cuffsmaster I agree, b/s is still b/s.
It began to happen when I was like 13. I remember then many hours and days I spent thinking, asking people, researching and I just couldn't find a satisfying answer.
I'm still somewhat afraid of course, but not as much, and I think I owe it to rational thinking like those exposed by this lady. Thank you so much.
Hell is only a fear mongering tactic it is what the christian church to keep people trapped in their cult you are an open minded woman always find your videos interesting
I agree! And thank you
@@jezebelvibesNo : thank you!!!!❤
@@jezebelvibes I stay the hell out of churches and you are just adding to the deception. The bible made things clear. By freedom of choice, certain events required a redeemer. A redeemer fulfilled the requirements for the gift of salvation to all. Satan lost so all that is left is for him to deceive. You're happy with being deceived and passing up salvation offered in Romans 10:9. You will not have an eternal burning, but pay the price for your sins since you chose not to be saved by them. Once that is done, you will no longer exist, not even in memory. All by your choice.
@@jezebelvibesdo you have an email?
@@MikeRivera-hp1hjLeave her alone. She's married.
Kristi, your videos are inspiring and thought-provoking. Thanks for making us think critically.
Thanks so much for the kind words ☺️
@@jezebelvibes You are not kind in your deceiving. You also will have no excuse at your judgment as Romans 1:20 says. Play your silly game but it makes matters worse for you, not better.
@@2fast2block tell it like it is chosen one!
they are deception and not critical thinking she fears engaging me because i crush atheism 24/7
@@j919orYou are harassing people in violation of the RUclips Terms of Service.
You have shown what a fragile coward you are with your threatening messages targeting people who are having a conversation that never invited your petty hatred.
1 Corinthians 13:11 “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”
One of the things the bible got right!
well quoted!!
@@mauricemenard2243 I do not understand what you are trying to say. "Every day you make sacrifice to your god meaning yourself..." I do not know about anyone else, but I do not think of myself, or any other, as a god.
As far as killing things to stay alive, if believers are correct, it is some deity that created a world where living things must die so that another living thing can live. I certainly would not have made a world like that!
@familyportsmouth God created a perfect world, he gave us free will and provided options to exercise our free will, we chose at pretty much at every turn throughout the Bible to reject God the same as your doing now.
He gives you logic to know he exist, don’t believe me ?
When’s the last time you saw a house erect itself ? You could have all the materials perfectly arranged and ready and unless somebody picks up a hammer it ain’t being built, you wouldn’t argue that but as soon as it becomes a discussion of a complicated universe that dwarfs our greatest endeavors lol suddenly everything can put itself together ? Do yourself a favor repent to God and thank him for the air in your lungs and the universe he created and have allowed you to inhabit
@@aaronstanley474 I am sure that I answered this before, but it is not showing up.
"When’s the last time you saw a house erect itself ? "
When is the last time you saw god?
@familyportsmouth I haven’t seen him but I also haven’t seen many things with my own eyes, surely your beliefs don’t hinge on what I’ve seen ? I’m flattered truly that you put me in such an authoritative role in your life, but I think your own brain and logic would serve you better, you haven’t seen anything build itself without a catalyst.
I just can’t get behind all these people going to hell for believing differently or that every else’s experiences are just demons tricking them. I’ve met so many kind people that didn’t have religious beliefs but were wonderful people. I have a Buddhist friend as well. And even if they do have faults I would never imagine torturing them forever.
You are experiencing exactly what the Bible teaches.There is wisdom in your words, with your understanding of (1 Corinthians 13) which demonstrates God's love.
That Jesus is the savior of all humanity, no exceptions and no exclusions.
• The restoration of all things.
• The reconciliation of all things.
• He will win every battle.
• He will make all things new.
God's sole purpose is to reconcile all back to God through the sacrifice of Christ in this way.
• Those godly who are transformed from the old man to the new man with belief in the one that rose again.
• “He who overcomes shall not be hurt by the second death.” (Revelation 2:11)
• The ungodly, when they die, will be tested, purified, refined, and corrected until they came to a point where every one would willfully submit to the authority of Christ and confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of the Father. This is called the second death.
• With the crucible and furnace of gold, the Lord tests the heart. (Proverbs 17:3). The lake of fire is not literal, it is symbolism to overcome the second death, demonstrated by the process of a crucible with a body of fire.
I remember as a child back in the 60's sitting with my mom and grandfather (her father-in-law) on our front porch and they were talking about religion. My mom asked him what he thought about hell and he said that he didn't think about it. He said that if god created a worse place for a black man after he died than America he'd rather be there than spending eternity with the thing that created either. That comment and many others like it from the only man on earth that I admired more than my dad started making me question both the concept of hell and the ethics of a god that would create one. That made an easy path to atheism at a very young age.
Gigachad Grandpa.
Then be an atheist with NO evidence to support you. 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.
This is deep
@@haitianqueen4218 she's anything but deep. 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.
He sounds like my Grandpa who died recently. He said he didn't want to go to church and have people judge him.he said Christians were hypocrites.
Before I became an atheist, I had just a much fear of “existing” for eternity in heaven. If you meditate on just how long eternity would persist, even the best version of heaven would become a hell of monotony.
In Heaven you're supposed to be with God, who has everything you need. In this world we are never satisfied because we're not in Heaven yet.
@@mariemunzar6474 Can you see how that might be used by people to manipulate other people? "You'll never be satisfied anyway, so it's okay for me to make you miserable so I can have more money and power."
@mariemunzar6474 It might even make people crave death because they feel that the world they live in is not as perfect as the Heaven their bible describes.
I became a christian when I joined an essentially fundamentalist church at about 16 years old. Our teenage Sunday School teachers (beautiful elderly couple) taught us a lesson on eternity one Sunday. This was the illustration:
Imagine a huge steel ball as big as the Sun. And every thousand years a dove flies by it and brushes it with the tip of its wing. When that dove's wing finally wears that huge steel ball down to nothing, eternity will have just begun.
That terrified me, and that continued throughout my adult life until I became post christian. It really didn't matter to me if it was hell or heaven. It terrified me. The idea still does.
In order for Heaven to work, we would have to become something so different from what we are now that it would be, in effect, no different from death.
I went to church each Sunday having been raised in Indiana. However, I never took to Christianity but Hell definitely sunk in. I devised a "prayer" of sorts that I would chant to calm me down.
"Dear God, please forgive everybody past, present, and future so no one goes to hell." Then I believe "god" granted my prayer. It is not just fear for oneself, but everyone else in your life. I would say I didn't really shake the fear of hell until I was 18 or so. Chanting or repeating something can be soothing.
Thank you so much for this video and your good work. As I’ve been deconstructing and moving on my new path, I have still been feeling myself get pulled back with fear and guilt, especially about angering God and hell. This video and your others make me feel so much better. Keep doing what you’re doing. ✨💕
Years ago a woman judged me and told me I was going to hell. My answer was, okay maybe you believe there are workshops at the north pole too. She stopped arguing with me. It takes just as much faith to believe in both.
It also takes faith to pursue doing and not believe . Since our brains are finite how can we be objective about anything ?
What about the workshops at the North pole?😯....they're still ok aren't they?...I've worked loooong and hard to get off of that Naughty List!😨
@@RocketKirchnerwith that attitude their would be no hard sciences...
@@brettrobinson2901 Maybe that's why science is changing all the time?
Hooray! I binged pretty much everything you’ve uploaded in the first week after finding you, Kristi, and I’ve been looking forward to more. Great content!
If you believe what she says,you will be condemned-you read the Bible to understand God’s word-there’s many organized religions that don’t speak the truth-there is a Hell and sinners will be destroyed,but they don’t burn forever-I have scripture that backs it up. I hope you read the book and come to your own conclusions
@@alexharvey452 I did read it. Cover to cover. The Bible is one of the primary reasons I’m an atheist, because it’s so clearly mythology.
u love deception
You have no idea how this video means so much to meeee. I literally cried while watching this.
I'm so sorry for what you've experienced but really happy this video could help 🫶
@@jezebelvibes the next fear i have to overcome i guess is the fear of demons and satan, and unironically Jesus specially when he was crucified. I never felt the "love" on the cross all it did to me was traumatized me even dreaming creepy things like Jesus falling on the cross, etc. Right now, as a 25y/o adult, thr film Passion of the Christ still gives me the creeps.
I agree it’s traumatizing and not love. I had a dream that Jesus was a zombie that people were ordering to attack other people they didn’t like or agree with. He looked so creepy and disturbing, even more than the cross depictions, I couldn’t look at Jesus the same way again. I think the message was clear too…
@@gleameygabionza3471 It's a gruesome story. There's a reason why, under the recent book-bannings over pornography and violence, the Bible qualified as a book to be banned in Utah. Unfortunately religious zealots won the day and made an exception for that violent, pornographic, betrayal-filled book.
@@reneets5729 Wow, the message in that dream really WAS clear.
I’m so glad I came across your channel. You have shed so much light into this moment for me. Things I’ve been searching for, for years. Thank you so much for making this channel. I’m on the verge of tears. But tears of joy. Thank you again ❤sending love ❤
That be-leavers have to struggle with this after walking away is a testament to how abusive and traumatizing that "teaching" is.
Jesus came bearing good news and said the kingdom of HEAVEN is at hand . Believe it and get off the subject of hell . It’s a non starter
@@RocketKirchner "Good news! You're going to Hell!"
-Jesus "Christ" Bar Joseph
@@RocketKirchner No sale.
Also, let me be the first to tell you what you seem to have never figured out on your own:
Everyone you have ever told about Jesus' "good news" absolutely hates you because of it.
Online, I personally try to just view your lot as formerly human zombies who had the misfortune to be infected with the disease that makes you really stupid and really repetitive! I just can't even imagine how angry I would be at my parents if they had spread this contagion to me like yours had done to you, saddling you with this burden that had wasted so many hours & years of this existence, the only life you will ever have, already mostly over, with the curse that makes you always act stupid while serving no purpose except repeating the same lame attempts that have failed 1000s of times before, one more futile attempt to spread your bullshit problem onto your much superior fellow humans, who definitely absolutely fucking hate you, you waste of oxygen.
But that only works online, in person I must caution you to never evangelize to me, because I find it touches a nerve that makes me unable to control my emotions.
It’s not abusive. Hell is just.
Teaching children that 'condemnation shall come because some prefer darkness rather than light, because their deeds are evil' is abusive?
Anybody who is content in their faith, I say keep on believing and doing what you must. However, some of us are not able to just have faith. We need discrete evidence. Do us the courtesy of letting us live as we must. Kristi, I'm glad and grateful you are doing this channel. Those of us who are surrounded by church people and have to bite our tongues to keep the peace, maybe even to keep our jobs, need a space to not feel alone.
You do NOT go by evidence. 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.
Your evidence is inside of you. Don't try to believe until you see yourself for real. We are just a spirit locked in a body. Let every thought pass by. To stand alone in stillness is the only place that's real. All the best, I wish you "perfect love" (which is not physical)
@@jasfan8247 "Spirit" is just a more poetic way of describing our very recent human attribute of self-awareness. It is not a separate religious entity, just as "soul" is not.
Yes, the thing that seperates us from animals whatever it is. I think "religions" and "fashions" come from it. In short: everyone can make up their own but it will run out after a while. Then questions come.....
@@jasfan8247 As I showed, Kristi and her followers, don't go by evidence.
I love this, very relatable. I have had these nagging fears ever since I left the religion. But I'm simply not interested in living in irrational fear.
My anxiety is subsidizing, not so much about hell, just when things are going wrong I think I’m being punished. Also thinking I need protection and help. I finally have to look at it and realize it has to be my years of indoctrination. It’s kept me in that destructive relationship with Christianity, a vicious cycle. I’m getting more free every day, and I had to learn how to live free. Getting out of a dysfunctional relationship with it was tougher than I thought it would be. Keep making videos, any bit of information is appreciated.
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are you 100% certain of that? I dont think so. Nobody can be 100% certain. But if you are wrong, its gonna be too late once your time is up. Are you willing to take that chance? eternity is a long time to be wrong. There is still time to ask Jesus into your life. He cares for you, and does not wish for you to leave this world without Him. Why dont you humble your heart sometime, and just ask Him to reveal himself to you? He just might respond. Be blessed
@@Outsider4JC I pass. Had enough people create fear in me so that they could play on them. Just like you.
Not trying to create fear in you, just letting you know you dont even have to worry about it at all if you just put your trust in Jesus. He cares for you, and wants to give you eternal life in heaven. Its a great message. He did it for me. He completely changed my life, and I know He will do the same for you. Believe me, its worth it. All you need to do is simply, humble your heart and pray with faith, I repent of my sins, and I turn to You. You said in Your word that if we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus,, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, we shall be saved. I ask You Father to forgive me of all my sins, and ask You to fill me with the Holy Spirit, and take control of my life. Its not about the words, its about your heart, because God knows your heart, and your true intentions. So if you truly want to live for the Lord and have assurance of salvation, then He will respond, and create in you a new heart and love for Him. I left a quick video to guide you if necessary. Will pray you have a change of heart, and put your trust in Jesus 100%, because He cares for you, and He has a special purpose for you. Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Will pray for you. Be blessed. ruclips.net/video/qYFWsIvvZdc/видео.htmlsi=YB4uPKrZaIRbKobv
@@Outsider4JC just had a conversation with a fanatic down at Walmart over this, he had a side arm since this is an open carry state. I’m not really impressed. Need a gun to force the sky fairy belief on people. I wasn’t intimidated, after two tours deployed . Told him that he was full of 💩.
YOU ARE BEING OF GREAT HELP TO HUMANITY. Keep up, never give up. I’ve been done with the bible for some time, but I have always thought some one needs to do something about it, and you are doing it pretty well.
Only Jesus provides the way to be right with God and to be assured of going to Heaven
Q - How do I get right with God through Jesus?
While the religions of the world falsely require you to do something like be a good person or observe certain rituals/ traditions to get right with God, Jesus already did what’s necessary on your behalf. What He did was pay the penalty that God, who is holy, justly requires for sin which is death.
Rather than you needing to die and stay dead for your sins, you can ask God to substitute Jesus’ death in place of your death so that the sin penalty is satisfied.
It’s as easy as ABC.
Admit you’ve sinned against God. Tell Him you are sorry and ask Him to forgive you.
Believe [trust, rely/depend on] that Jesus’ death on the cross was in your place and satisfied God’s penalty for sin.
Confess that Jesus is your Lord and Savior
When you do this you’ve put your trust in what Jesus did on your behalf. God says it this way in Romans 10:11 of the Bible, “Anyone who trusts in Him will never be put to shame.” It means being saved from the shame that would have resulted from foolishly not accepting Jesus’ offer to satisfy God’s sin penalty on your behalf. Its a relationship, not a religious experience.
Teaching kids about hell is child abuse. You are doing great work!💐
Teaching children the truth isn’t abusive. Hell is real and teaching your children about it to make them understand what happens when we sin against God and turn our backs on him is not abusive.
What do you think Hell is?
@@juliabriggs1141ok prove that hell exists....you can't.
Well, evil definitely has consequences in this world. Most drug dealers don't live long, full lives. That right there is something good for kids to know for sure.
@@theboombody that's a good point but drug dealing is usually a consequence of something that came before...it's good to teach kids worldly consequences such as dealing drugs usually equals prison plus the affects it has on others lives. But it has nothing to do with teaching them hell.
It is morally abominable to expose children into these irrational beliefs before their brains are developed enough to rationally evaluate them for themselves.
Completely agree. Hell doctrine is mental, emotional and spiritual abuse.
This video would make Ray Comfort cringe x100. Lol
Would you teach a child to avoid prison before their brain isn't developed enough to rationally evaluate it for themselves? Is that morally abominable? Fact is the child is going to face a lot of evil in this world. Is teaching them the dangers of drugs morally abominable? How about avoiding strangers? Should we not tell them about the dangers of getting in a car or van with strangers because it might scare them? How about adults touching them inappropriately? Is it morally abominable to warn them about that?
In your opinion, hell is an irrational belief. Fine, don't teach your children about it. But if a parent believes it's real, do they not have a moral obligation to teach their kids about it?
Penn from Penn and Teller is an atheist. He tells the story about how someone witnessed to him about hell. Here's a quote from Penn
"If you believe that there is a heaven and hell and people could be going to hell- and you think that, well, it's not really worth telling them because it would make things socially awkward ... How much do you have to hate somebody to not proselytize? How much do you have to hate somebody to believe that eternal life is a possibility, and not tell them that?"
Penn Jillette
?? have you not been following. Prove that what you say is true "Jesus and the bible are truth" . What is 'truth'? I hope Kristi will help you to escape your indoctrination. Keep on watching her videos. She is a good, honest person.@@HolySpiritIsSatanOfSinDethHell
I didn't know who this Ray Comfort is. I have now checked him out and I so agree with you!!@@LoveWins777fsh
Kristi I have been struggling with these Christian issues most of my 77 yrs. I have given up on Christianity because to believe in it was causing me anguish and pain, not to mention confusion and frustration. You are not just another agnostic/atheist, you have a real passion for truth and a sense of reason and intellectual depth which is rare. You are in touch with the essence of living....to question, to learn. You have the special gift of being able to teach others difficult concepts. I really like your passion and your sense of genuineness. Keep up the good work. You are very special.
Me too the fear of hell is terrible because this is how we were raised as children.
People are taught about hell in religion class or Sunday school.very true. Fear is a powerful motivator. Hard to shake off because of lingering doubt
@@johngriebel5509 I agree John, the stick part of this is awful for people to wake up from. Most never think about the carrot.
Eternally worshiping the same deity forever. Yuk I am not a fan of that either.
@@alicedeen720 The carrot seems more like : take my abuse, then I'll give you a really nice present.
@@sundayoliver3147 The idea of believing what other people told you was true, while you were too young to think for yourself, about this old book 'or else' is truly messed up.
Especially if the 'or else' part is eternally burning through no fault of your own. This is hideous from an alleged 'all-loving', invisible, and totally silent dictator.
I say "through no fault of your own" because a person cannot just start to believe a claim without first being convinced of that claim.
You either need to be too young to know any better or convinced with some good evidence to take on and believe any old claim people simply 'assert' to be true.
It really is messed up nonsense from the men that scribed these documents 2K+ years ago while trying to control others through their messed up misogynistic thinking.
There is no good evidence for any god(s) in any 'so-called' holy books.
The best the believers have is,
'This book is true because that book says it is true.
Alice
I can’t thank you enough for this video. It’s exactly what I needed to hear today and I really hope you know that you are saving lives ❤
shes not saving lives, she is the devil in disguise, leading people to hell, right along with her.
Your videos are on point and pertinent. I have to come to terms with the fact I've lived thinking believing was all I needed to do for the next life only to realize the life that matters is happening before me now. I am so sympathetic to your POV. Thanks for posting.
I still have some lingering fear that I’m wrong and will go to Hell considering that I was raised Christian and only de-converted about a year ago, but it was actually the idea of Hell that made me deconstruct in the first place. I not only questioned the idea that a God that is good/merciful would torture people for eternity, but I also realized that it’s the perfect manipulation tactic. I realized that the anti critical thinking and anti nuanced nature of many organized religious groups conflicted with my values. I still believe in a higher power, and have had my own spiritual journey though. Quitting religion allowed me to discover myself in so many ways, and address some relationships problems I’ve had with my father and self image/identity issues I’ve had since childhood. Overall I’ve become a better person, and those fears of Hell have been muffled to a major degree.
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Best wishes for your explorations, f.
if you are wrong, there is an ALL loving g0d. You know? The g0d so many humans just cannot stop ranting about. All loving entities never build torture chambers. I mean, you are not all loving. There are things you don't love, I bet. And you still haven't build a torture chamber. (I hope :- ))
Kristi nor anyone else can help you at your judgment. The bible made things clear. By freedom of choice, certain events required a redeemer. A redeemer fulfilled the requirements for the gift of salvation to all. Satan lost so all that is left is for him to deceive. You're happy with being deceived and passing up salvation offered in Romans 10:9. You will not have an eternal burning, but pay the price for your sins since you chose not to be saved by them. Once that is done, you will no longer exist, not even in memory. All by your choice.
@@2fast2blockuhhhh why doesn’t your god go ahead and lock Satan in hell TODAY if he “already lost”?????
For some reason your god ALLOWS Satan to continue to deceive people, and then punished them for being victims of deceit.
A smart all powerful god would just stop or get rid of the bad guy if he actually cared about the victims
This is such good content. I wish I had this when I was growing up. Thank you for posting this and keep up the good work!
I wish I did, too! I always feel like I'm just talking to my younger self when I make these videos ☺️
@@jezebelvibesThere is no age for learning, specially whole life is for this purpose ❤❤❤
you love to be deceived
Hell is like prison. You should be scared of prison, but that’s not its purpose. It exists to uphold justice, to keep things fair for those who do things wrong. You do not have to worry about going to prison because you haven’t broken the law. You should be scared of Hell, but you don’t have to worry about going there. I trust that Christ’s sacrifice is sufficient enough for me *(Romans 5:1-2, 8:1, 8:31-34, Matthew 19:26, 1st John 5:11-13),* and I’ve also examined myself and I’ve ticked every box required to be a Christian *(Galatians 6:4, 1st Corinthians 11:27-31, 2nd Corinthians 13:3-5).* We know that God never lets us down *(Psalm 27, 145, Deuteronomy 31:6, 31:8, Luke 1:37).* We know that He never lies *(Psalm 111:7, Numbers **23:19**, Hebrews 6:13-20).* We know that He is very wise *(Proverbs 2:6, Romans 11:33, 16:27).* Finally, we know that His nature is unchanging *(Malachi 3:6, Matthew 24:35, Hebrews 13:8).* Finally, you do good for the sake of doing good and not out of fear of going to Hell *(1st John 4:19).* Although prison exists, it is not meant to scare you into being good. It is just to uphold justice, and it is the exact same with Hell. It is so much simpler than you realize. I have a friend who is a former Christian and he had the exact same worries about Hell. We debated over it and I proved to him with these verses that his worries were completely baseless. He quietly stopped responding to those points during our debate, so I assume he agreed with me. This video is no different to the arguments that he presented.
@@j919or Better than deceiving to "love".
I'm glad that I freed myself of this worry. I know that some people spend their entire life tormented by this fear - some never have a happy moment. They are already in hell before they even die. It is a terrible waste of a life and many of them become evangelists in order to placate God but, by doing so pass the fear on to a new generation. Some Catholic priests specialise by hanging around in hospitals and hospices trying to get converts. They prey on those who are near death by playing on their fears. It is a ghoulish occupation.
Thank you for mentioning Recovering From Religion. That site was really helpful for me, especially the Secular Therapy Project where I found my current therapist 1.5 years ago. It's an invaluable resource and I second your recommendation.
External heaven doesn't make a whole lot of sense either, are we just going to hang out, watch tiktoks and talk to the same people forever? Reincarnation seems like the best choice between heaven and hell. Or better yet, become one with the force!
Reminds me of an old “Far Side” cartoon where a guy is sitting in Heaven with his wings and harp and says, “wish I would have brought a magazine”.
Definitely. 😂😂😂
When people say they will be in heaven listening to the angels sing and being everyday in peace I’m thinking, man, you’re gonna get bored pretty soon 😂
The idea of heaven is equally scary as the idea of hell, just with different temperature!
Reincarnation seems a lot more plausible, but we will see 🤷♀️
@klingonsexyOh my god, I saw a similar one, they die and they got into a “waiting room” with horrible music, to realize later this was eternal 😵💫
@@kerynl.sanchez9891you grew up JW
@@FamilyIsGone No, catholic school. That was enough hell lol
One of the ways I as a former Christian and now atheist got over the fear of Hell was learning about its origins. Hell, specifically hell-fire, is based on the outdated idea of geocentrism (as opposed to the heliocentrism of Copernicus). Geocentrism says the earth is at the center of the universe and that the sun revolved around the earth, where at sunset the sun would descend into the underworld, travel through the underworld, get to the other side of the underworld where it would rise the next morning, then travel throughout the sky, and then have another sunset where the process repeated itself. When the sun was in the underworld (i.e. Hell), the heat from the sun set the underworld on fire, hence the idea of hellfire and torture. We now know that geocentrism is incorrect, which means that hellfire is incorrect. The second thing that got me was realising that hellfire was based on volcanoes. Also, when you look at Greek mythology and how the Gospels were written in Greek, you realise that the Christian idea of Hell was influenced by Tartarus, which was the torture pit in the underworld in Greek mythology/religion. Also in Greek religion, Elysium was similar to Heaven, and the Asphodel Meadows was similar to the Catholic idea of Purgatory. As for Satan or the Devil, Satan originally appears in the book of Job, which has parallels in the Babylonian myth called Ludlul bel nemeqi", which is about the nobleman Shubshi-meshre-Shakkan and the supreme Babylonian god Marduk. When the Jews lived in the Achaemenid Persian empire, they came into contact with the Zoroastrian idea of Angra Mainyu, an evil figure in that religion. They also came into contact with the Persian idea of daevas, which were demons from Persian mythology, which is where the word "Devil" comes from. The Persian daevas are related to the Hindu Devas, which were basically gods. After Alexander the Great conquered the Persian empire in the 330s bc, the Jews came into contact with the Greek underworld god Hades and the Greek half goat/half man god Pan, which is where we get the idea of Satan as a goat figure. The Devil's pitchfork comes from the Greek god Hades' bident, a two pronged weapon similar to the Trident/fishing spear weapon of the Greek sea god Poseidon, who was a brother of Hades. Poseidon and Hades formed a trinity with the supreme Greek god Zeus, whose weapon was a thunderbolt. The Roman god of the underworld was Pluto, who was also a god of wealth, which is probably the origin of the idea of "if you make a deal with the Devil, he can make you rich". This is not surprising because valuable precious stones and metals come from beneath the earth. This is also related to mines and mining.
Thank you! I love context, and a lot of this I didn't know about. To me, context reveals truth. It doesn't TELL you what the truth is: it just reveals it.
As a 15 year old who came to universalism a few months ago here's my story :)
6 months ago, I went on vacation, and even before vacation started, I was suffering some serious scrupulosity, just "is dirty jokes a sin" "is this a sin' "is that a sin" etc etc, I have had heard about universalism before but I DID NOT bother to look into it at all, after all the self debating on ahat is wrong and right and looking for loop holes and just fearing burning for ever I got tired, I eventually looked into universalism, AND THE THOUGHT OF IT made me so happy, I felt proper joy, and I went into the universalism sub reddit on reddit, and all the theology and everything presented there help me break free of this horrible idea of ECT, I'm so happy, I felt really free the past 6 months, I didn't have to overthink cuz either ways fod mercy will save me and alll my peers, it's just, thinking about it, why would God create everybody and create a framework where people he love has to be BURNED
And if I feel bad for them, does that mean I am more just than God, totally not I thought, so many other thoughts too like "And why would he let people be born fully knowing they'd burn for ever?"
Ms. Burke, good work you just articulated better what I butchered trying to Tell my brother few years back. Thanks. 👍
Thank you for much and many things to think about Like you I was indoctrinated at a very young age and am stepping out of the madness. I choose to be free from this craziness.
Using hell as a tool to convert people through fear has a long history...and one sermon canonized into American culture "Sinners in the hands of an angry God" by Jonathan Edwards 1741... was taught in my American Literature class in high school...
I remember too as a child under 10, witnessing people from my congregation approaching the the pulpit, the pastor playing god and sending some to heaven and others to hell...after being condemned they ran screaming out the side door of the sanctuary....
Indeed the trauma remains...
Yikes. What a teaching method. I just don't get how fear and love are conflated in religion -- not just Christianity, either.
You approach this stuff with such gentleness and kindness I would say you come across more “christian” than many of the actual Christian’s I know. The hardest part is finding others to talk to about your questions and thoughts pertaining to religious beliefs many of the people I have always been closest to are not super supportive of asking questions although I have a couple friends who are on similar paths as I am at the moment. Fear of being ostracized, fear of hell and by extension death itself, fear of abandonment and rejection and loneliness all have played a major role in my life and still do. I thank you for doing what you’re doing. It seems to me you are all about promoting good and love and joy in life rather than simply attacking a religion out of what seems like anger like I have seen some people do. You seem to do it out of love and compassion for yourself and for others so again thank you it means a lot to people like myself who are questioning a major part of our life.
Hell was not originally prepared for man. It was prepared for Satan and his angels (Matt 25:41). Jude 6 states that fallen angels are placed in chains awaiting judgment. Yet, when men and women join the devil in his work and live in servitude to him, they must suffer the same fate that will befall Satan. If a person ends up in hell, he is lost by his own free choice, not God's arbitrary decision. Such a person has no one to blame but himself. Many see no need to be interested in spiritual things and are indifferent to the pleas of the gospel. Others refuse to obey the gospel or submit to the will of God. Some refuse to believe. Others just love sin more than righteousness. Some, though once obedient, have become unfaithful in service. Many put off obeying until it is too late.
Hell is real. The suffering of it is waiting for the sinful. You can escape the torments found there by giving obedience to Christ now. He will wash away the guilt of your sins and grant you hope of a life of eternal bliss in His presence. All you need to do is humble your heart, ask for forgiveness, and trust in Him, and You dont have to go to hell. Its easy, its free, and its worth it! Why take any chances? The Gospel is good news, why would you be against it? God sent Jesus to save us because God loves each one of us (see John 3:16-17). Jesus prayed for His followers, including us, to be protected from evil and to be one with Him and Heavenly Father. This life is short. Its temporary. You never know when your time is up. Its not about religion, or going to church. Its just between you and God. One on one relationship, through the Holy Spirit, who is given to you upon salvation. The Holy Spirit is the difference. You wont regret it, and you will peace in your heart, and mind, knowing you have assurance of where you will go once your time is up. So please think about it. Its never too late until your life is over, then there is no turning back. So today is the day for salvation. Dont wait! Be blessed!!
@@wanderer44-xr5si I appreciate your concern. I’ve been told this my entire life I just don’t know that I believe it anymore. Maybe things will change but much of what I was taught I’m beginning to realize was bull crap and the fact that so few people are willing to engage in conversation about tough things in the Bible does not help. For me I have a real problem with the character of god as evidenced by the numerous atrocities committed in his name referenced to in the Bible let alone our own much more recent history through out the years. I mean we had witch trials, inquisitions, crusades, slavery, the practical annihilation of entire societies and their cultural remnants in the americas. I just don’t know that I can get behind all that anymore. On top of that modern Christianity at the very least is full of fear and shame and guilt from my perspective especially around sex and nonbelief and a plethora of other things. I appreciate the view of Christianity as I’ve grown up Christian my entire life but there are too many things that seem to be highly contradictory to what is proclaimed both in the Bible and in the world. One such example is the fact that most prolife organizations are against better quality sex ed and greater access to contraceptive measures which would be the number one way to eliminate most of the abortions from ever even being desired in the first place. The fact that so many Christian’s are now hypocritical of so many things such as this at least in America and probably elsewhere causes me some serious doubts. Along with that I’ve never felt god in my life never felt his love that I can recall none of my prayers that I can ever recall have ever been answered. The only one that I thought was answered caused me so much pain and suffering I don’t understand how that could have been from a loving god and not myself simply trying to make sense of things as I had seen them. I’m not against faith I hope one day I may find something that will reinstill that hope in me but for now I’m not sure that that will ever happen. Again I appreciate your concern and wish you the best in your endeavors wherever they may lead you.
I love the scripture you quote to prove your point. Something a Universalist Christian might say.
Something ‘universal Christians may say’ but apostolic Christians would object to. It’s a distortion of Scripture.
Kristi!!👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼 You are so beautifully well spoken and so very smart. You’re helping SO many people on their journey. I’m old,😂, so I’ve been on this path for a long time, but I learn something new from you every time I listen. Thank you so, so much!❤️❤️❤️❤️
@@HolySpiritIsSatanOfSinDethHell Her conversation about indoctrination can be accurate but the sad thing is, that is not what the Truth is. You can memorize every verse and debate it with others but if you never Know God through the Spirit He gives us You will not have faith. Many never Know the God they were taught about, that is the sad truth. Thank you, blessings.
@@HolySpiritIsSatanOfSinDethHellbut presumably you of course think you do!!😅😅😅'
It has to be done step by step. When I was leaving Religion, a guy named Carlton Pierson suffered for saying that he no longer believed in hell. That helped me early in my deconversion
It is easier to disregard hell if one looks at all these religious beliefs as legitimate human mythology. We no longer believe in Niflheim (Norse) or Hades or Mictlan (Aztec), which were once the accepted religious ideas of the times, but are now seriously studied as mythology, the same as one ought to study christianity.
Come Sunday is a good movie
This is possibly the most important work you’ve done yet. I wish that every believer in the Abrahamic God could see this. Thank you!
Thank you so much for your Chanel. I began my journey of deconstruction during the covid lockdown. It began with my deep concern for the souls of my children who are all not at church . I felt that heaven would not be a paradise if they were being torched endlessly in a finery hell. I began to struggle with the idea that God woul
d even do it to His children !!. Am so glad I came across your channel. Thank you so much .
Happy you're finding freedom!
Define freedom
@RocketKirchner Not being enslaved by unreasonable beliefs . I now find the concept of eternal torture as in that category. Infinite punishment for finite crimes ? Just couldn't believe that I was enslaved with that teaching for 62 years of my life.
Don't blame God for the awful churches. They chose not to follow God. See the vid....What Does the Bible Say About Hell? (Part 1 of 2).....by Spirit and Truth
@@2fast2block without the idea of God, awful churches wouldn't exist and the globular earth would be a far better place.
It was a very real fear for me too. I was always asking myself: "What if...." Then one day I decided, if all this is real, it would have been much clearer. How can I be judged for not understanding something that was never explained properly or never made real sense?
A wise man wrote many centuries ago that the answer to " where was I before I was conceived," is the same as the answer to the question "where will I be after I die?"
I will explain it properly to you:
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.
John 3
It is very clear how It works. It is up to you to make your choices in life and cope with It’s eternal consequences
You will answer: it doesn’t make any sense to me.
You’ve already made your choice, but it is still time to change
@elucidativo7 - No, actually I won't answer "It doesn't make any sense to me". But I will answer "No, that comes out of the new testament, a salvation plan that is vastly different from the old testament and not hinted to once in all scripture." I will also add, the OT said if anyone preaches another God that Israel didn't know, he is preaching a false God.
@@SFCDV Do you people ever even read your bibles? In what Christians call the "old testament" it CLEARLY states that the Messiah is a man born of Solomon's LITERAL seed who will be the LITERAL king of the Jews. Not a god man who is without sin who will be crucified but an actual man. It even says that "if he does wrong, Yahweh will punish him." That is proof that Yahweh was not going to make him "without sin." He will rebuild the temple, bring the remnants Jews back to Israel, end war and suffering, and bring back sacrifices. People of other nations will come to the Jews to learn about Yahweh. THAT is what it says. IF THAT DID NOT HAPPEN, THEN THE MESSIAH DID NOT COME. If you deny this and say it is not true, then you deny the words of your god. You turn your back on the words on your god. You are now a liar in your god's eyes.
It’s haunted my dreams since I was 4 years old (some of my earliest memories of life.) I’m now 33 and still have reoccurring nightmares.
Maybe you should repent ,then the night mares will stop. Truly ask Jesus Christ to take them away and give him your love and devotion and I garuntee the night mares will go away, back to hell.
@@RedwinKemp-h4x did that my entire childhood and most of my life. The nightmares got better as I realized cult based religion was wrong. The more I believed, the worse the nightmares. I still have spiritual beliefs, but it’s beliefs that I truly feel, not what someone tells me is right and everyone else is wrong.
So sorry. And , with gentle tending, those things can be unraveled. You aren't doomed to live this way, just because you got it young. Cheering you on your journey.
i really hate when People use words like, repent, rightonuess, holyness, godliness, hell , depart, cast out, in a Christian context, it right about sums up what christiniaty is on its own terms, Thore words Mean nothing when the bible talks about babies having there skulls crossed, and Virginsbeing raped by war vilians etc. then all Those words have no meaning.. repent from your wicked ways? exhause me, babies having there skullz crossed, and now repent from your wicked ways? god dammit i hate my programming .. i wanna lave christiniaty and the bible, the sick immoral book of horrors and fear etc. but just repent, god is good, and one day you will burn, he reslly loves you, but unfourtnaly he just have to cast you to hell, cause you rejectex the bible and its moral of babies bening tourtourede.. what goodness, priser jesus for killing babies.. Nice cognitive dissonance, holy baby murder, my god,god can get awsy with anything. we cant, imagine Any body smashing a baby agsinst a rock? lets just smile and be warm in our heats, cause god os for such tings, at least its in the bible . tjene god van look at us and say, and say yes my wor is true. i had my reason for doing the worst Thing possible.. a Strange reason, we possible cpuldnt understand
there is a whole dimension of wisdom into why gods holy People smashes bsbies against rocks. woulndt you do. i Mean god can get easily mad for asking such questions..so you better repent before he will condem you for statens that whats in the bible is Horse shit and not ti be followed, plzz wake up now. tje christiniaty mind bible control os strong.
i for one am SO proud of you. keep going!!! the nightmares will likely stop for good once you've gone deeper into your subconscious (body memories) of the fear an released those through somatic practices. you've absolutely got this!!! screw the brainwashers.@@MikesGarage96
Kristi, you've explained Hell better and more logically than any pastor /priest/ apologist I've ever heard in my life, thankyou so much for this video.
As a person who’s never been coerced into any real degree of religious belief, this hasn’t ever been an issue for me.
Thank you for explaining this 😊
I was never religious or go to church on a regular basis but I do live in the bible belt and even though I never considered myself a Christian, I've had to deconstruct religion that simply imbedded into our lives here but yeah I never feared death. I can't imagine growing up like that
yep same here. I never understood how any sane person could believe any of that rubbish.
What she explained is her own version of Chrisitianity having little to do with any official teachings of the religion of Jesus Christ.
@@ianalan4367 because there are no "official teachings of the religion of Jesus Christ" because there are 3000 christian sects and they are all full of sht.
@@mauricemenard2243 get meds
When I was a teenager (I was a very good girl) a pastor told me I was not of God and kicked me out when I did nothing to no one. I was born again at the time and still was told that I was the spawn of the devil in all seriousness. There was no joking around. He meant what he said. And I knew he meant it. There was no question. Since then I have had this irrational fear of death and dying that sometimes prevents me from falling asleep at night. I am 51 yrs old now. Last summer I just couldn't wrap my newly educated mind around how an all knowing loving compassionate God would even think of sending his creation to a tortuous place for eternity. Human parents would never do that even if their kids were horrible monsters so how could a perfect God do it? For about a year now I've been trying to shed the doctrine of hell and to stop the fear that has become so much apart of my personality that it is a default setting. Long ago I had vowed to uproot fear in my life. This is the final battle. I will be keeping this video at my fingertips to watch every day if I have to. Thank you, Kristi.
Churches are messed up. Stay away from them. Still, you have no excuse for not finding out what hell truly meant. You whine about things but don't take action in getting answers. See the vid....What Does the Bible Say About Hell? (Part 1 of 2).....by Spirit and Truth
@@2fast2block You know what's messed up? Your reply. You don't say anything that isn't being preached in thousands of conservative and fundamentalist churches across America every Sunday.
One way to control people is to dehumanize them. I've been told that "of course I'm a demon" because I'm a Democrat. The funny thing is, that really hurt, so I had to excavate -- I finally realized, oh: the doctrine of original sin. I don't believe it intellectually but in both secular and religious life we get the repeated message that we are born wrong and have to do everything we can to make up for it -- prove ourselves.
I so agree about the cognitive confusion about the "all-loving god" who is fine with torture, rape, and destruction-- as long as it's done by the "righteous' people. Or by god, who of course has the right to commit whatever horrors god decrees to be okay.
@@sundayoliver3147 *the doctrine of original sin. I don't believe it intellectually but in both secular and religious life we get the repeated message that we are born wrong and have to do everything we can to make up for it -- prove ourselves.*
Exactly - this is the other stronghold that needs to collapse like the famed walls of Jericho. Yeah, it's basically being punished for being born.
I am a Christian and never had any thought of hell and heaven ever. The thing which i feared most is this world itself. I had anxiety of this world only
@@Picked_toez yes I do believe
@@isaacvipinso what you’re saying is “as a Christian you don’t fear hell because you believe you’re going to heaven while non-Christians aren’t”?
My deconstruction journey started when I was 21, sitting in a Church History course (circa 50 CE to the Refornation) in a Pentecostal (Assembly of God) seminary, taught objectively by one of the staff theologians. I wandered in a desert for around 8 years, then finally shedding Christian belief altogether. I appreciate your channel.
Kristi you do a great job of logically deconstructing your arguments, kudos to you. Imagine a God that gives you a rational mind. A mind capable of using reason to escape the treacherous jungle and create tools for entertainment, exploration and for understanding how the universe works. Then he decides that your reward of eternal life depends on your choosing to remain ignorant, to remain
blind to facts and evidence and to basically not utilize your higher faculties??
What helped me was when I researched NDE's. Testimony is what we do in religion when we have something good to say about what Fod did for us today. Testimony is what we use to judge people in court. Testimony is what we use to tell history. So peoples Testimony when they tell us they died and have a story to tell about the other side, must be believed. To me it's either these testimonies are all actors reading a script or there is something to it. Cause there are similar ties all through the narrative told. The stories I heard, is what helped me understand what happens when we die and that we are all here by choice to gain experience. I don't believe in any religion yet I believe all religions have a purpose and is necessary. We all need to strive for unity and food nature. Religion forces us to seperate based on who's in or not but it also brings peace to people's heart. Its all derived from culture. So do what you need to bring peace. Believe what you want. Just don't force others to believe in what you believe just testify and leave it there. Love everyone cause love is the only thing that matters no matter what. Love is the key.
@@HolySpiritIsSatanOfSinDethHell Is that meant to be a loving remark?
Kristi, you are so articulate. Thank you for your videos.
I'm so glad I was brought up with very little religious exposure and I decided I am an agnostic atheist. I remember telling a girl in my social group that I didn't believe in god when I was 11 years old. She was so shocked.
I am literally 30 years into my deconstruction. The guilt has never left because the propaganda is so pervasive and it was designed to make you question everything. Those 30 years have taught me human manipulation of spirituality seeks only power over others, and this is all I think religion was ever built to do. What keeps me going, spiritually, and have been the most powerful things for me are that a) everything about the universe that I am a part of is rational; b) our best life is lived when we choose to put positive energy into the world around us; and, c) if God truly is jealous, irrational, and chooses to put negative, destructive energy into the universe, then I have come to terms that I don't want anything to do with that God, ever.
Totally with you on this. i do feel that rationality is more limited than you do but I'm with you on the "put in positive energy' premise - something which religions often seemed designed to stop. As physicist Steven Weinberg said, "“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.”
Same for me. I still have this fear occasionally, but not as bad is it was. I remember having restless nights worrying about going to hell. My deconstruction started when I realised my prayers were never getting answered. This all happened in my early teens. I was blamed and told that because I wasn't praying hard enough, reading my bible without fail, we didn't have food in the house. The old "you just need to have more faith". And at first, I believed it. But eventually those scriptures about "Seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well." and "the Lord does not let the righteous go hungry" when I was literally starving and eating just bread daily, made me understand that probably nothing was out there. It was crazy to see the manipulation tactics used against me when I voiced my thoughts. Some of those cliche "thought stoppers" they used against me, "God works things out for his glory, in god's timing, all things work together for good, etc., etc." I'm now an agnostic.
Have you ever experienced God and his love ?? Born again?
@@Max_G43 I was for 18 years of my life. As for God's love, what does that really mean? How do you know what you're feeling is God or not? It could easily be your mind playing games with you.
You're awesome, Kristi. That was great!
I've been listening to you for a long time Kristi and I'm done with fear based religion. Thank you for sharing your journey.
Currently deconstructing and grateful for your material.❤
I run the 100 m in 9.99 seconds. No magic, no world record. Just a good sprint. In top level races, not even a guaranteed gold medal. Still, the religi0us (and everybody) are skeptical about my sprint. Although I have this written source here and 777 wintesses in Cserkeszőlő, Hungary. Trust me, bro :- )
then the religi0us rant me about 1 type of Middle Eastern magic, while rejecting all other types of magic, becuause magic ain't real. What can I say, I am skeptical = I have no reason to accept their CLAIMS
I hope this helped. Or maybe it just did not hurt :- ) Have a safe walk towards rationality, my fellow Earthling
@@istvansipos9940 i have solid evidence that u are going to hell,,,you won't face it and now u cant claim ignorance as an excuse
I grew up Lutheran and worrying about going to Hell. I think that is why I had a dream where it was Judgment Day and God said to me, "Find your soccer ball or you go to Hell."
I looked all over and couldn't find my ball. I was panicking and yelling, "I can't my find my soccer ball and I am going to Hell!" Then I woke up. Thanks, religion.
Well, at least that dream made it clear how petty a lot of religion is...
Well stated. The entire premise of Christianity is conquest by fear. It is not about following the loving example Jesus set for the people of his time, it's about kissing his butt so that you are not punished. They also tend to forget that Jesus was considered a radical rebel by the conservatives of his day. I truly believe that he would be appalled by what the church has been doing all this time while using him as an excuse.
He wouldn't be appalled. He knew it was going to happen and warned us that it would. I'm glad people are waking up to how the Bible has been mishandled.
Matthew 24:11 KJV
And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
@@monical2840 Oh, look, kiddies: another person who is still quoting from the ARCHAIC version ever! No reason to use that version anymore. I don't give a rat's ass if King James authorized it. Do YOU use that kind of English when speaking to people? I think not. So why keep reading and quoting from it?
He was very much a radical: The Roman appointed rulers in Jerusalem saw Jesus as a seditionist. His saying he was the "King of the Jews" was considered a direct threat to Roman rule. He was crucified for sedition. Then there was the corrupt priesthood; they saw him as a threat to their livelihood and control of the Temple. They charged him with blasphemy because he said he was God. Now here's the thing about that: According to Jewish law, a blasphemer was to be stoned to death. So sedition against Roman rule was a far more serious crime than blasphemy.
@@monical2840 Pastors are not prophets. Nor is Kristi. She and they are not prophesying.
@@johntiggleman4686
Taken from Strong's Greek Concordance:
4396. prophétés: a prophet (an interpreter or forth-teller of the divine will)
Original Word: προφήτης, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: prophétés
Phonetic Spelling: (prof-ay'-tace)
Definition: a prophet (an interpreter or forth-teller of the divine will)
Usage: a prophet, poet; a person gifted at expositing divine truth.
I never claimed that Kristi is a false prophet. The church leaders who indoctrinated her may have been, however.
i’m so late but i just wanna say you ate this up and left no crumbs ma’am, it felt like you were genuinely speaking directly to me. i’m so thankful that i’m going on this journey in this day and age with so many resources available like your channel!
I grew up southern baptist and the fear of going to hell, as well as other things in the church, traumatized me as a child. Omg. I never would want any person, let alone a child, to feel the way I did. Constantly afraid that what if I sinned and god didn’t forgive me. Not to mention the fear I had for my family and friends if they didn’t believe. I left Christianity and religion as a whole, 10 years ago. But it wasn’t until about 5 years ago that I fully stopped believing in the idea of hell and eternal punishment. I am a good person, who does good for others. I am happy and content on my life. And if there is a god, and he sees fit to send me to a place like that for doing nothing wrong in my life, then so be it. I don’t want to worship him anyway.
Doing nothing wrong? Even one lie is enough to separate you from a holy God , so that's why Jesus was punished for your sins if you place your trust in Jesus you will be wiped clean from all the laws you broke
We all have done wrong in our life, but it isn't just for god to condemn someone to hell for just disbelieving in him
Thank you so much for making this! I’ve been struggling with this lately 😭
Kristi is not a truth seeker, nor are most churches. Learn for yourself. See the vid....What Does the Bible Say About Hell? (Part 1 of 2).....by Spirit and Truth
@@2fast2block thank you i will definitely watch and support 💕
@@Sirsonia I used to just believe many things I was told and were shown verses to support it. At that time, MANY years ago in my life, I didn't put much effort to rightly divide the word as in 2 Timothy 2:15. In my early 20's that really started to bother me so I most certainly put forth the effort since then.
This video helps me out alot.
Ive been haunted for years with anxiety/fear of my mistakes and "Hell".
Thank you for making this video.
The realities of eternal damnation, eternal hell, and eternal punishment are frightening and disturbing. But it is good that we might, indeed, be terrified. While this may sound grim, there is good news. God loves us and wants us to be saved from hell. But because God is also just and righteous, He cannot allow our sin to go unpunished. We are not like God. He is Holy. He hates sin, and we love to sin. Therefore, we need forgiveness. Salvation is a free gift. The problem is, we dont want to give Him control, and live apart from sin, and the desires of this world. Its actually not as bad as you might think, because when you do humble your heart and ask for forgiveness, God sends His Holy Spirit to live on the inside of you, so its not like you are still the same person as you were before. The Holy Spirit radically transforms your mind and heart. You suddenly have a whole new attitude and desire. He fills you with this amazing feeling of peace, love, and joy like you never had before. And you dont even know why you feel so good, because your life might not even be so great. But its something you can only understand when you actually come with faith and call upon His name. Its a wonderful message of salvation, and once you truly invite Him into your life, you will know what I am talking about. Its awesome! Its a supernatural change that occurs the moment you become born again. Nothing to do with church. Its just between you and God. The Holy Spirit is the key. So I would really encourage you to think about it, and I pray you find it in your heart one day to give Him a chance. Once you seek Him and truly experience what He has to offer, then you are going to say, I was right. God is good, and I want to thank Him, and praise Him the rest of my life. All you need to do is simply, humble your heart and pray with faith, I repent of my sins, and I turn to You. You said in Your word that if we confess with our mouth the Lord Jesus,, and believe in our hearts that God raised Him from the dead, we shall be saved. I ask You Father to forgive me of all my sins, and ask You to fill me with the Holy Spirit, and take control of my life. Its not the words, its about your heart. Will pray the Holy Spirit touches your heart, because He cares for you, and He has a special purpose for you. Draw near to God, and He will draw near to you. Be blessed.
@@Jesuslordoflords-y4m i believe in god and have a fear of what he can do but i dont believe the "creator of everything" would follow a human like process like that.
Im sorry but the idea of a "eternal loving" god sending a human to be tortured/punished in a frightening hell for eternity for a lifetime of mistakes seems illogical to me.
A humans life is an atom on the scale of eternity maybe even smaller.
What kind of "loving" god would punish a human that he/she made and knew would be a sinner.
I believe that following god is important but in my opinion i think people get too caught up in the fear of being tortured in hell rather than focusing on loving, thanking and following God.
@@Jesuslordoflords-y4m Respectfully you do not know that and no one on Earth does until they die.
If i am wrong then i believe that a"eternal loving" God will forgive me for being wrong.
I try my best to live my life according to Christ but our ideas of hell are different.
I had been deconstructing for a few weeks now and when I looked up in RUclips, Leaving religion..your channel came up. I watched your story and watched your video on God is not kind. It enlightened me and why should I continue worshiping a God that is not all loving. I had an Aunt that was a Lesbian and my church was teaching me that they are evil sinners that God doesn’t love. I had thought Jesus loved all regardless of your sexuality. It made me question if they are supposed to be loving all like Jesus, why are they cherry picking people and not loving all.
I fear Hell as I was taught as a child that if Jesus wasn’t in my heart I would be sent straight to Hell. I don’t think that is right and I am happy that you are informing people to think differently and to let them know that it isn’t fallible that everyone goes to hell.
Thank you and hugs to you. Keep up what you are doing as more people are questioning and you are helping us find answers to heal .
It's amazing how much long lasting damage the idea of a hell can cause when it is drilled into an impressionable child by a parent or someone they trust. If someone tried to teach an adult about heaven, hell and the magic sky wizard, they'd laugh out loud. Great video Kristi! Keep them up. You're doing god's work! 😁
Why are adults converting to Christianity?
I am not watching this anymore, this Kristi knows the whole truth of the old testament and the gospel of the new testament, ... She just playing y'all to keep that viewers money coming.
@@RedwinKemp-h4x Good-bye. Thank you for announcing your departure.
@@familyportsmouth I didn't say I was departing anywhere, I said it doesn't make sense listening to her trickery on the bible. But I see lots of people online longing for real truth. Any way she,s just obeying the orders of her master.
@@RedwinKemp-h4x If you are not watching anymore, then how can you make a serious rebuttal to what she has to say? You cannot, so why stay?
So, what is the real truth about your god? That slavery is OK? That you can beat your slave to death because the slave is your property? That if a girl is raped the father is entitled to 30 pieces of silver and if the rapist does not want to be stoned, he has to marry his rape victim. Notice that there is nothing about the girl mentioned because she is not as important as a man.
How about that the entire universe was created in six days about 6,000 years ago? Is that the bible truth that you are talking about? Maybe you were thinking of talking serpents, dogs, and donkeys?
So much absurdity, I chuckle every time I think that as a child, I believed any of this. I chuckle because unlike many others, I stopped believing when I was very young.
Wait!
1 Corinthians 13:11 “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”
Now there is a biblical truth!
I keep thinking of the Movie - The Bronx Tale, the kid Calogero asks Sonny the mob boss whats more important if his soldiers love or hate him. His answer was love was nice but it's fear of him is what controls them . Same with the threat of hell.
Then I would point out another movie, The Godfather. Vito was respected and loved. Michael was feared and respected, but not loved. Vito died with his family, Michael died alone.
Keep up the good work Kristi!
If some Christian ask me if I rather go to hell when I voice my doubts, I’m just going to assume they’re only “Christian” because they’re afraid of hell they don’t actually live God. Believing in a “loving” God who would watch you be tormented for life because you had doubts or unbelief then He isn’t loving at all.
hit it right on target. Most people that go to a revival and alter to get saved are not going because they love God. They are going out of terrorism from the preachers and have no love for him. They go because of the ever torture teaching.
This is the most heavy subject that religious trauma affects me most. I always looked around wondering why other people didn’t have the same fears or existential crises as me as if everything were fine. I think this community of ex “believers” or people challenging beliefs are the only people in the world who will truly understand the trauma of religious fear. These are all the thoughts we’ve suppressed.
This video is the biggest comfort, and I can finally breathe in that I’m not alone.
Edit: I’m not joking, my favorite show called “the good place” genuinely gave me the biggest comfort I’ve ever had and insight into religion than anything else I’ve seen/heard. I recommend anyone with religious trauma to watch the whole thing.
THANK YOU THANK YOU! i watched it and this show gives me comfort. And i agree looking around and wondering why No one else is in constant fear is stopping me from living. Im still terrfied of hell and i dont know How to stop but this show was a good start!
I gave up religion when I realized all I was holding on to was the fear. Fear is such a strong tool that it is the main tool of religion and the government. You are expected to simultaneously fear and love god... Impossible. At least for me it is. I was a believer, but I realized one day that I never felt anything. How is that possible?
Something I learned is that the fear does fade if you don't give yourself over to it. I used to lose sleep over it. Now it's been 2 years since I stopped believing and it's getting better.
I hope i get to this point! I spend hours crying about this everyday, i dont want me and my Family burning forever. Glad you got out🙏
A loving God wouldn't do that to you and your family.💙
My wife died of cancer 10 years ago
She was in serious pain for months.
Even the Morphine didn’t touch the pain.
Her main concern was ( er, I’m I going to eternal torment)
She was mentally tormented by it, even the last few hours.
Although she was a really lovely person.
sorry for your loss, and i'm sorry she went through that pain.
This is absolutely not talked about enough. My family is still very fundamental and I grew up in a fundamental Christian school, church, and home. I was taught about hell in graphic ways as young as 4 years old in Sunday school. It was terrifying! I would cry if anyone I knew who wasn’t Christian died because I thought they’d be in hell. I’m 29 now and still have hell anxiety even though I’ve left the church for about 8 years. Something I thought about even at a young age was what is the cutoff regarding people sent to hell? What age is the cutoff of being cognizant enough to “accept Jesus” and, if you don’t and die, you’ll be sent to hell? How could God send an infant, a child, a special needs person, someone who he allowed to be born somewhere where they’d never be told about God to hell? This was a big reason for the beginning of my deconstruction and decision to leave the church. Thank you for talking about this!
What if I am wrong about the tooth fairy being a myth? Will I suffer eternal toothache after I die?
Lmfaaooo 😂😭 I’m stealing this!
As long as you still believe in the fluoride fairy, you’ll be fine. 😁 (sorry - actual dentist here, I had to 😜).
@@CharlesPayetActual dentist...as a RABID ANTI-DENTITE!...I say AWAY WITH THEE...MOUTH GOUGER!😡...SERENITY NOOOOOOOOOOWW!!!
It's one of life's great mysteries!