Another interesting thing is that it took the serpent like six verses to talk Eve into eating the apple. It took Eve one sentence to talk Adam into doing so.
@@NikoBGCSL everyone in WESTERN culture is fascinated with breasts. Read some anthropology. Gee...I wonder why western men have that problem...maybe you were all weaned too early poor babies....by the way...gay men don't really care about breasts either.
What always bothered me about that story is, how can one be expected to understand the concept of something being forbidden, without already having knowledge of good and evil in the first place?
I've always wondered that, too. On a similar note, what good would it do...to threaten them about eating the fruit, that they would die? These are people who have only been alive a short while...and nothing had died yet. They had no real experience, with almost everything. They had no adolescense...no childhood...its doubtful they even had navels! Some threat that would have made
@@travishofer8051 but if they had no knowledge of good or evil, they had no concept of whether eating the fruit would be bad or not. Supposedly. And if God knows everything, including what's going to happen in the future, he knew what was going to happen before hand. It would not have been a surprise. Which kind of makes it his responsibility. He set it up to happen knowing it would happen beforehand. So why would they be punished for carrying out his plan? Especially if they had no knowledge of good and evil. Why not teach them the difference between good and evil? Why immediately go to eternal punishment? The whole story doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
And it should! Original sin is not on Earth, but it WAS in Heaven (Rev 12:7-9). Church is not a building (Matthew 18:20). Authority did not exist until the fall of mankind (Genesis 3:16b). Women are not to be viewed less than (1 Corinthians 11:11-12). The Bible warns about false Christians and false churches teaching false doctrine. Matthew 7:15-20 “15 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”
@@FamilyIsGone Psalm 146:3-4 “3 Do not put your trust in princes, in human beings, who cannot save. 4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground; on that very day their plans come to nothing. Matthew 11:28-30 28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
A lot of people have been raised with this as their framework for interpreting reality. It can be hard to get past that, especially for less intelligent people.
I love your take on Adam and Eve and your analogy with a baby in the playpen. It’s like a father putting toys in the playpen and a loaded gun and telling the baby not to play with the gun. I’d love to hear the father’s defense when the police show up because the baby fired the gun. “It’s not my fault. The baby has free will, officer. When I placed the gun in the playpen, I told him not to play with it but he did anyway. What a bad and awful baby! I’m throwing him right out of my house! Officer, why are you putting those cuffs on my wrist? I didn’t do anything wrong. It’s all that evil baby! I know how to fix this. I’ll crucify my other son, so that then I can forgive this baby for firing the gun. Oh, Jesus, can you come down here for a minute? Wait, officer, let me go! Where are you taking me?”
Exactly lol. Gawd made sin and evil in its impossible magical complex complicated image to destroy it for existing and knowledge and torture us for da fun of it to realize how God waz probably da villain to deny and know it all dis time of God evil.
@BeefStew-kv9vq I agree totally with your first statement, but I don’t agree that makes it pointless. Trying to take it literally is what makes it pointless IMHO!
Whenever I hear this story, I can't help but remember the quip, "Adam blamed Eve; Eve blamed the serpent; and the serpent didn't have a leg to stand on."
Another thing that's funny is that it's completely a fictional story so if we can break it down and it makes God look bad that's pretty sad because they could have just made up their fictional story to make God look good LMAO otherwise we're on here breaking it down as if we believe it really happened but we just disagree with the way God handled it
Thirty years ago, in my early 20s, I was feeling guilty about normal human desires, and I concluded that perhaps I didn’t really have a good grasp of my faith, so I agreed to submit to a Bible study with some older women in my congregation as if I was someone off the street learning my religion. I now know that I was very depressed, and rightly so. But at the time I thought the study would “fix” me. So we reviewed the story of Adam and Eve, and this sweet, nurturing woman beamed at me and said, “Aren’t we so fortunate to have such a loving, patient God, who instead of killing Adam and Eve immediately, allowed them to live and have children, so that we exist today?” My response completely surprised myself, and absolutely astounded my “teachers.” I said, “I am not thankful! I’m not appreciative! I’m miserable, and supposedly it’s all Adam & Eve’s fault? If God had destroyed them, life would not be so terrible and humans would not be suffering! I don’t think that’s loving at all!” That was the first original thought I had ever had, and I had no idea that I was capable of having thoughts that opposed the official story line. It still took me 15 more years to break away from Christianity, but that was the beginning of thinking for myself. When I left my religion, it wasn’t because I no longer believed. I totally believed, and I was positive that I was choosing eternal death. But I had decided that I’d rather be dead than pretend to love the god of the Bible any longer. Only later was I able to decide that I don’t need to believe things that don’t make sense, and so I’m no longer Christian. Although I kind of think the Christ of the Bible was not a bad dude, and that MAYBE if the religion were REALLY based on him, it would actually be a pleasant world. But I doubt it.
You can feel better to know that The bible was written by anonymous authors who never met Jesus. Paul/Saul never met Jesus. There's no historical evidence of Jesus or Moses. How many times has the Bible been altered? Over 30,000 changes were made, of which more than 5,000 represent differences between the Greek text used for the Revised Version and that used as the basis of the King James Version. Most of the other changes were made in the interest of consistency or modernization. King James I of England (1566 - 1625) Young as “the most prominent homosexual figure in the early modern period.” Married to Anne of Denmark, James is thought to have had relationships with several male courtiers - most notably, George Villiers, whom he made the Earl and later the Duke of Buckingham. ... See the hypocrisy? It's all a tool for manipulation
Its written in John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son”. God wants to save you not condemn you but are u willingly to accept that.
@@trooperslayer5910 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things. [8] Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
Adam was standing there SILENTLY thinking of himself "let her eat from that tree, if she dies, then I'll not eat. If she doesn't die, then I'll eat too". He wanted to test that tree on the expense of Eve. Then when he screwed up he threw Eve under the bus blaming her and God for his mistake. If there was any evil in that story it was Adam.
@@mikeymik2 seriously? Nothing states that Eve was talking to herself either. It clearly states she was talking with another being, not with her "consciousness" lol. How else did God punish the SERPENT and made it without legs if she was talking to herself. Adam was standing right next to her, unless he was deaf or brain dead he heard her talking to the serpent and knew exactly from which tree he is eating.
To be technical - Eve was deceived. Adam transgressed. The offense of Adam brought condemnation to all men, but the righteous act of Christ brought justification of life to all. The righteous act was not the Savior’s life or His keeping of the law, but rather His substitutionary death on Calvary. This is what brought justification of life-that is, the justification that results in life-and brought it to all men. Romans 5:17-18 KJV For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) [18] Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
i had not thought of that possible angle. nowhere does the kjv narrative directly state WHERE ADAM WAS at that moment. he could have been there. Threfore inaction on his part would have made him arguably guilty of a sin of omission. even if "sin" wasn't even invented yet.
This is like a parent setting out all kinds of things in the kitchen and including a bowl of candy and telling your kids that you can eat any of this but not from the bowl of candy. And the kid eats from the candy. And the parent's immediate response is "Uh-oh! Someone's gotta die!" Punishment doesn't really fit the crime. Set someone up to fail and then punish them.
The crime?... Big crime ... I'll tell you why. It took a lot of time, thought, and effort to create Adam. Adam was God's gift to this universe. Perfect, immortal, and in God's image. Adam was basically king. God gave him freewill by telling him to name the animals. Long story short. Adam changed god's perfect universe by introducing duality. When he bit into the fruit, consciousness was expanded, allowing one to fear, to shame, to know what death meant.
@@danhtran6401 Why was Adam punished for doing what god supposedly already knew he would do? If god is supposedly omniscient, he already saw exactly what would happen. So god sets the dominos in motion anyway but then punishes Adam for doing what god already knew he would do? Where is the justice in that? How fair is that? And at the time Adam ate the fruit, he had no knowledge of good and evil. He wouldn't have know it was wrong to do what god told he and Eve not to. That came after the fact. So he gets punished for doing something wrong when he didn't even have the understanding of what wrong was. And then all of humanity gets condemned too? What nonsense. Very grateful the whole scenario is a work of fiction.
@@stevenhogenson4880 because up to that point, God provided everything for Adam. He had nothing to do but inherit God's creation. This universe is apart from others, ruled by Adam. The only way for Adam to appreciate what God has done is he must learn. Like Lucifer, the ultimate punishment was not being able to be in God's presence....
@@danhtran6401 you dont get it,,, If god is an all knowing god, he knew Adam would do exactly as he did... so it was all a set up....as Kristi is saying...
Preach sister. I came to this conclusion as a small child when I asked my mom what was the reason God created Adam and Eve? She said to take care of the animals, then I said why don't you and dad do that? That's when I realized people cherry picked what rules they wanted to follow and that the Bible was inherently impossible to follow as wrote.
Read the Bible. he created human beings for fellowship. That's why he was walking in the garden: He walked with Adam and Eve and spent time with them, until they rebelled against Him. Personal fellowship with God is at the very heart of our purpose for being.
IMO the Eden story makes most sense if you assume it was the answer given to a child who was continually asking "Daddy, why do you have to go to work? Daddy, why is the ground hard? Daddy, why is mummy in pain? Daddy, why dont snakes have legs?"
@@raysalmon6566 if you're referring to "Daddy, why do you have to go to work?" and ,"...,why is mommy in pain?" then you are correct children ask that frequently primarily because they just want to spend time with their parents and not see their parents in pain. But only the truly inquisitive children ask about the ground and the snakes, the rest don't. And even fewer children take the time to figure it out themselves, or just understand. But most children don't.
You are a breath of fresh air. Animated and interesting. Asking many of the same questions I have asked myself. Going straight to the important questions, "It was a set-up from the beginning. WHY?"
German writer and philosopher Friedrich Schiller (1759-1805) argued, that this was the beginning of mankind. God planted the tree because he wanted them to eat in order to really be free. And later he pushed them out of the garden so that they really would get to know the whole world. Why create a whole world when they are only inside their private paradise? Though I don't know what Schiller thought about the misogyny in the story. Maybe he noticed like Kristi that Eve is really the strong one here. :)
[EDIT: The comment you're reading is false doctrine, this is corrected in my replies to follow.] God didn't create that tree, so definitely could not have placed it in the middle of the garden. In Genesis 2, all of the trees are written to have 2 characteristics. In Genesis 3, the one tree being offered to the woman by the serpent is written to have had 3 characteristics. That means that particular tree was not God's, so He did not put that there.
@@cfudgy2 I have heard this assertion before, but a plan and a happening cannot co-exist. One must be chosen...was it a plan that God set in place, or was it something that God let happen? Legitimate question I want you to consider. It can't be both.
I must correct myself@@cfudgy2. When the Bible says God made everything, it is referring to origin. God created angels of light and life, the fallen angels used their free choice to reject these which only means they must become of darkness and death. If it were not for God giving them the option to accept or reject Him, they would not have been able to become something else. Darkness is the absence of light, so light must exist first...darkness has no origin. Death is the absence of life, so life must exist first...death has no origin. So, they are not originators...just recreators. When the Bible says God created everything it includes those "recreators" in the sense of origin...it doesn't mean creation in the all-inclusive (literal) sense.
But I apologize,@@cfudgy2, my OP is a false teaching and a misspeak altogether. The tree in the middle of the garden is being recreated in the eyes of the woman by deceptive words from the serpent. It does have two characteristics, but the serpent has convinced her he has another characteristic to offer her (that God is "keeping from her"). That tree is from God just as all the others were, but the recreational view of it that led to a recreational use of its fruit...is not of God, but the serpent.
one day my mother, an evangelical lady, told me in our many discussions about the bible, god and religion that "to be a christian you need to follow everything blindly, without questioning" and that made a lot of sense. this is why i am no longer a believer because i refuse to live by rules that make no sense to me and the more i learn about christianity the more i find it so controversial. this video is a gem! i'm glad that youtube recommended it to me! long live your channel 🙌🏻
Did your mother ever consider how easy it would be for the devil to impersonate God if she never asked questions? Shouldn't God want her to ask away because he has nothing to hide?
Well that was simply your choice from hearing something your mother shouldn't have really said, I honestly don't know why she told you to just blindly follow it, I choose to look deeper and find proof in the religion
Your mother was and is right. My mom was the same, and I thank God for it. Do not let the society change your feelings and views about your true Father.
What's really funny is that since it's a completely fictional story couldn't they have at least made it so that it doesn't make God look bad LOL so their own BS didn't even accomplish making their God look good. Otherwise the way she breaks it down is almost as if she believes that it all really happened but she's just disagreeing with the way God orchestrated and handled it
You hit all the points that I’ve questioned since I was young. It’s like a game: the game designer set up the rules so that the players would fail. And then blamed the players for failing. Excellent assessment on your part!
It sounds like you've never studied the story before, just like Kristi hasn't. It didn't happen like that at all. It was not a setup, and she is nowhere close to the truth. When the Bible says God made everything, it is referring to origin. Darkness is the absence of light, so light must exist first...darkness has no origin. Death is the absence of life, so life must exist first...death has no origin. God created angels of light and life, the fallen angels used their free choice to reject these which only means they must become of darkness and death. If it were not for God giving them the option to accept or reject Him, they would not have even been able to become something else. So, they are not originators...just recreators. When the Bible says God created everything it includes those "recreators" in the sense of origin, not literal formation.
The tree in the middle of the garden is being recreated in the eyes of the woman by deceptive words from the serpent. It has two characteristics, but the serpent has convinced her he has another characteristic to offer her (that God is "keeping secret from her"). That tree is from God just as all the others were, but the recreational view of it that led to the recreational use of its fruit...is not of God, but the serpent. Proof is provided for you below. Genesis 2 9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground-trees that WERE [1] pleasing to the eye and [2] good for food. Genesis 3 6 When the woman SAW that the fruit of the tree was [1] good for food and [2] pleasing to the eye, and also [3] desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.
Not a set up. Adam and Eve were given choices. They effed up. Would you love to live in a world with no choices? You'd want to shoot yourself at some point in that scenario.
I remember being a kid and learning about Adam and Eve and asking my mom “But I didn’t do anything wrong.. why do I have to have labor pains??” I wasn’t buying it even then 😂
You would've done the same had you been in Eden. We all would. That's why it's fair to us. God gave them perfect conditions and only one rule to follow but they still sinned against Him. It was very serious and they were not children. God sent us a redeemer. Satan sought to kill two Innocents. God didn't send him a redeemer.
@@timothybuckley7317 Well first of all, the story of Adam and Eve is just that: fiction. But if you want to take this literally, you should be clear that you are trapped in a structure of thought that is very difficult to break out of and that can negatively influence your whole life.
Except they didn't know it was perfect. They hardly knew anything. They did not... know... good, from evil... or stakes to other lives. If they did - you prove it, son. Or maybe go ask them? Call up, the Witch of Endor - if you must. I am not convinced, that 99.9999 percent of us, would, if they had both obeyed... even EXIST, in fact. If nobody ever dies, and a few more get born, for a while... then how many humans, do you need, to actually SUBDUE and till the Earth? Surely, a lot less, than the dozens of billions born to this point? And there was no 'us'. We might have made the same choice... but only based on how we were designed. Like, one third of every 'happy' angel, in heaven... was designed? Clearly, several feathers, short of a wing... or carets, short of a halo? At very least, in Satan's case. Also, Eve, did not... die... in 'the day'. Genesis 3:22, admits it. Openly. And Satan could keep powers... and roam about. And come up, to talk silly points, about Job. And can be released AGAIN, post Tribulation... and after, a 1000 year Kingdom, too? Also, I assume, the Holy Spirit... did not Like, the comment you posted... So presumably, you did...? Just a hunch.@@timothybuckley7317
Growing up I was always taught that Samson was some sort of biblical hero. Then I happened to watch a Darkmatter2525 video telling the story showing Samson to be a jerk. I remember thinking no way, that can't be true. So I went to the source and sure enough Samson was a lying cheating murdering jackass. Not at all like he was portrayed in Sunday school.
Huh. I'd actually learned what he was like from Sunday school and was pretty surprised to learn he apparently was written as someone who'll be saved in the long run, considering he was, to quote my father, "a He-Man Womanizer" (not said as a compliment).
The account of Samson was about a judge who was meant to punish the Philistines for oppressing Israel. They bullied Israel. Samson trusted in his strength but every time that he established friendships with the Philistines , they betrayed him again and again. But every time that he got even with them , they devised plans to harm him. His eyes lusted after the ungodly woman Delilah. The moral of this account was that God used Sampson to punish the Philistines for oppressing Israel , but used the weakness of a woman to take away his strength. His eyes that caused him to sin were put out , but in the end he repented before bringing down more Philistines in his death than ever before.
Oh yes, when I saw that Samson cartoon in Darkmatter, my mind blew😅how shameful was believing this book stories! Just this Samson cartoon could be enough to wake up😂
You are absolutely right KB. I remember as a child having so many questions here - especially, asking why "having the knowledge of good and evil" was a BAD thing; a state to BE AVOIDED. I was shushed. For years. Until I was old enough not to be so easily intimidated.
Yeah, JT - for a conservative Christian fundamentalist / evangelical, the main thing was that Adam and Eve disobeyed God, and that was the core or essence of their sin. But conservatives in general are really into the whole obedience thing, and look to external authority figures or institutions, like the church, to structure their lives and tell them what they can and can't do. Those of a more liberal persuasion are more open minded, and more inclined to follow their own inner principles and convictions.
AWF, you have just shown me through your written reply that you could not be more ignorant, even of the basics or fundamentals of English spelling and grammar. it's YOUR answer - your is the possessive pronoun, with you're being a contraction of you are! I'm sick and tired of people who are only semiliterate, and who really need to go back to school to learn their abcs trying to write a coherent, legible response to anything. Looking at your reply again, it fails to make any logical sense either, as I do not see exactly what you are accusing me of being ignorant of - you fail to adequately communicate that in your reply. All I can figure out is that you see yourself as a woman freed, and that you have somehow - I can't understand exactly how - demonized me as the patriarchal enemy, which I am not. I accept that the Adam and Eve story can be viewed and interpreted from a feminist perspective, and that is valid as far as it goes, but that there is a deeper significance to why it was a woman who got the karmic ball rolling. Interestingly enough, it was also a woman in the myth of Pandora's Box, which is the classical Greek myth about how sin and evil came into the world - and there is a case to be made that the classical Greek culture was much less patriarchal, and more gender balanced, than the Judaic. I'm afraid that it is you, AWF, who is the ignorant one, who has failed to grasp the finer subtleties inherent in my original comment. You remain stuck in the dualism of good versus evil, us versus them, matriarchy versus patriarchy, and are blind to anything that transcends it. And by the way, I think that there is a widespread misunderstanding of exactly what karma is, that it is the Hindu equivalent of sin or evil,, which it is not. There can be good karma as well as bad karma. Karma is related to the English word, "create" - in other words, that your actions and choices are creating inevitable effects or consequences - it's the basis for all notions of personal responsibility in life. It fell upon Adam and Eve, as the first humans, to get the whole cause and effect sequence of events in human life and history rolling. This ain't god or bad - it just is what it is.
@@naiman4535I would argue that a knowledge of good and evil isn't what saves us from mortality but Gods' union with us through spirit. There is nothing wrong with the tree of knowledge of good and evil, other than to eat from it thinking that it is a ticket out of mortality is delusional, a guarantee of death (the consequence of being mortal). Our hope of transcending mortality has to lie in God Himself, the tree of life. That God Himself will finish His creation. The lie the serpent told was, "you won't die", i.e., you are not really mortal, you already have life inherent in you. God is one, and we either trust our part in that oneness or we don't. It is God's union with us that makes us like God, not our knowledge of good and evil. Our knowledge of good and evil comes through, God in us, our hope of glory, not the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Me and the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is a road to nowhere.
Great video! My husband and I were just discussing this a few weeks ago, and our exact words were “they were set up for failure and then punished for failing!”
We must be careful about that concept because it is quite false and a bad mishmash of different elements. While we see it as a certainty looking back and God knew what they would do with foreknowledge, etc. He didn't cause them to disobey them and we can rightly expect them to take full responsibility for what they decided to do.
@@hj925 It's a good thing that human made Gods and religions aren't real and that people can wake up out their indoctrination. You likely don't worry about disobeying any other God's from other religions, that is a big clue.
@@annemurphy8074 You need to say that if you are the complete unbeliever you sound like, but while that is often true, it's a very foolish stand when there is evidence that demands a verdict. Saying that, it's your choice and guilt is a dangerous thing to base Christian faith on in any case - awareness of sin and separation from God should not be expressed in the kind of guilt that you are talking about because true Christianity should neutralise your likely sort of guilt. But one piece of advice in relation to Burke. If you were told the same as her then you were misinformed about some important truths. More importantly, she really still has little idea of the subject. For example, her interpretation post-flood of God "apologising" is deluded or genuinely ignorant. Not someone to take any notice of either way
@@hj925 There is zero evidence for Gods of any of the thousands of religions in the world. I'm not a "believer". I do my best go go with facts and try my best to think critically. I pretty much realized it was all fake when I was a kid when I would get in trouble for asking questions at church. It took much longer to really deconstruct what others had tried so hard to plant in my mind. You're not there yet but if you ever deconstruct, as so many have and the way Kristi has, then there can be a meaningful dialogue. She is doing wonderful work along with so many others helping people come out of their indoctrination and gain real freedom from the chains that were installed on their minds. So many people have been enslaved by so many various religions and cults. Religion isn't bad on it's own, it's just stories, it's the way it is used to control and abuse people that is despicable.
You are right...and it is true about both Chrstianity and Donald Trump. If your intelligence won't suffice...USE YOUR LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE! And your lack of either one does not make fairy tales the only other option.
I came to the realization that the whole story about Adam and Eve was just a way for the patriarchy to justify why they thought women are lesser, after I took women’s history It all just made sense to me. Thank you because you’ve put my thoughts into words.
I don't see how a man and a woman being setup justified the amount of suffering men go through in war etc. I think if you think men rule the world you are mistaken.
Yes. Cuz they always say eve eve, i was sadly one once too. But when i read it finally is when i learned. Adam butt was told first but he did it anyway. Then blamed eve n god gave her worst punishment. I learned bible is crap n the whole god n belief
Congratulations! You had to come a long way. And consider this: there is an older story about the Garden. In Sumeria, the Goddess reigned, Queen of Heaven, Mother of All. There is a depiction of her sitting by the Tree of Life, with her sacred companion the snake, symbol of renewal because it shed its skin, and possessor of ancient wisdom and secrets because it could hear with no ears and smell with no nose. (The much smaller figure of the man is tending the garden.) The Canaanites still believed in her, many of the Israelites had joined in, so the author of the story of Adam and Eve (whose name in Hebrew, I’m told, means Mother of All, how about that) was intent on stamping out this worship and all it implied, so in his story trees are forbidden, snakes are flattened, and women are subjugated. End of story.
If I remember correctly, there is actually this other tree, the tree of life ALSO in the garden and also forbidden. (Edit: not forbidden, but god throws them out before they could eat from it and live eternally - so on top, Adam and Eve were never immortal after all if I read this correctly, because they did not eat from the tree of life.)
The bible says that eve was called eve because "she was the mother of all living". Her name "chavva" is similar to "chaya", meaning "living". So, it is "living", not "mother", that her name is supposedly related to.
My mother always told me I could drive her car when I got a driver's permit or a drivers license. I was 10 when I started asking her if I could drive her car. Among her other answers she gave me I thought she didn't love me every time she said No. That didn't sound like a loving mother who's supposed to love her child, telling me no. But as I grew up I understood more of what she was telling me.
Glad I found u Kristi, just subscribed. U make allot of sense like me. People might think I worry everything is conspiracy. But I question everything. When things don't add up makes me doubt everything I was told.
Simple question, if Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil, how did God expect them to obey? How were they supposed to understand that eating the fruit was wrong?
you can teach a dog to obey, but a dog has no knowledge of good and evil. This knowledge is far beyond morality and is more like the ability to consciously create and destroy, like how humans made an atomic bomb. That's quite the godlike power, to make that bomb. Dogs cannot do that. But some dogs are super obedient simply because they love their owners.
@@JoaquimRaminhos "And the Lord God commanded the man, 'You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.'" Sounds pretty clear to me. Scientifically speaking, it was a psychedelic plant that humans ate. There's no turning back evolution to a time before humans wore clothes and made rituals from psychedelics. We are stuck with this whether you like it or not. What the Bible presents is a solution. Reject the Bible and you are rejecting the solution, but are still stuck with the problem.
@@JoaquimRaminhos Then AFTER THAT god decides he needs to start over, but not from scratch. Everything is evil so he needs to kill everything with a flood. We will have a boat built and save a few of these rebellious little creeps. Just starting from scratch would be easier and more complete.
Was the serpent evil? Because we’re often told evil came into the world at the time of the fall. But if the serpent was evil then evil existed in this “perfect world” before the fall
@@miltondavison-hc4ue yup fallen angels were created and develop the idea of pride so first it was necessary for them to have the capacity of feel pride, ie emotions and feeling are located in brain areas, brain damage or low development can interfere with abilities of feel certain emotions, so how angels came alone with the idea of pride, because god created them with that capacity but he got mad when they show it
When i was about 19 my Christian girlfriend took me to a bible study where the pastor was preaching the story of adam and eve. My take was exactly the same as yours and we got in a pretty heated debate. I wasn't invited back to bible study.
Another thing that's funny is that it's completely a fictional story so if we can break it down and it makes God look bad that's pretty sad because they could have just made up their fictional story to make God look good LMAO otherwise we're on here breaking it down as if we believe it really happened but we just disagree with the way God handled it
Yes! Happened to me too. It was a different question, but I asked it really looking forward to understand God’s point of view, not mine. I was told that my question is interesting and needed to be studied more from a theological perspective, but never received an answer. Ah, but when I “sinned” the same person that never gave me an answer repented me and said many Bible verses to show me how wrong I was. 🙃
@@luisaalmontevega2016 mine just walked away after he said that. I would have respected him if he had just said "I honestly don't know", but because I challenged him, he caught a hissy fit instead. Jerk!
What I can say is that after 54 years of being manipulated and lied to by establishment religious institutions, I can really appreciate it when people are able to clearly articulate the erhical and logical problems with the Bible. Thank you Kristi, for your courage and intellect in making these vedios. Whoever God is, if He exist, the Bible is absolutely not His infallibil word.
I think you're taking it all way too seriously.....people just go to church for the community. Youre just latching on to the few nut jobs on the other end of your spectrum. IMO you all are as crazy as a bunch of Baptists.
I talked to my mom about this exact thing. Like if your grandson did something wrong, would you punish him, his kids, their kids, their kids, and so on for all time? HOW DID THIS EVER MAKE SENSE?
Right? Why punish a child for the crimes of their father? Specially when said crime ISN'T EVEN AN ACTUAL CRIME TO BEGIN WITH, they just ate a fucking fruit!
Sin is in the blood and it transfers always and cannot stop until all is dead. It is like plague that spreads and kills all and one person is enough to have it and transfer to all humanity just like Adam and Eve did and as it is written we shall surely die
I agree. This is brilliant. I hope this beautiful young lady is a teacher and an advocate for freedom from tyranny and suppression. The skill to communicate so efficiently may save our United States from the downward spiral toward a fascist society. I love people like this who use their beautiful mind to view the world with clarity and coherence.
Its written in John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son”. God wants to save you not condemn you but are u willingly to accept that.
Kristi is where she needs to be...doing what she needs to be doing. But that doesn't mean there are not others in place doing what they Also are cAlled and prepared to do. Keep listening...keep thinking...and keep waking up! You will get there!
Amen!! Such a refreshing look at the story we believed so blindly.. it’s frustrating that I even believed and never reasoned it out rationally for 15 years.. but glad we are seeing the trickery now. That’s true freedom! Thank you again!
One thing that always amazes me is that nothing happened when Eve ate the forbidden fruit. I honestly think that the story of that situation when he ate the fruit and both realized that they were naked is a metaphor of Adam feeling ashamed for knowing the truth and not liking his human nature and instinct. Pretty much how religious people are. And what’s funny is that most of them, one way or another, commit the most sins. I witnessed that in my church. Adultery was the most I saw.
Is it not obvious that most Christians aren’t true Christians? This is the epitome of modern ignorance in terms of people who don’t dare to learn past basic ideas, principles and religious fundamentals. Being Christian does nothing for you if you don’t actually care and change your life. Most Christians will claim their Christian due to their family claiming Christian lol. Being Christian means you (singular) have a personal relationship with God, your family being Christian does not save you. Being an actual Christian does but you won’t see many actual Christians in the modern would full of sin and instant gratification at your finger tips. And on average Christians are very ignorant in terms of what they believe. Because most don’t study nor understand theology, Psychology and how to interpret or read the Bible correctly nor do they understand the complete history and timeline of the beginning of the Bible to the end. So yay does it not make sense that most Christians aren’t actually Christian? Because if you write down what a Christian actually looks like It’s extremely hard to be a true Christian, Jesus was the only human to ever be a true Christian. But that isn’t an excuse to not fight against sin daily and to not fight against evil. It’s that intrinsic battle and trusting God that is honorable. Those who do wrong and repent over and over will not be saved. They are just so ignorant they don’t understand that concept. Those who are truly saved and actually understand their religion will sacrifice and fight against sin their whole life’s. Because they actually are serious about the claim of being Christian. That’s the difference on average most Christians are not serious just like every other religion. It’s due to human nature we are very objective based and tend to only care about the now. And how do you expect a kid to have any clue about what they actually believe? In order to figure out if you actually believe in Christianity or not just comes down to how much you have actually studied and learned, which means you’ll need to study bias and non bias people and books. Otherwise you don’t understand it enough to make such a big decision. For those who are capable it’s our duty to come to a conclusion about what we believe religiously which means you listen to debates and you read the texts and Books etc What I find funny is that on average the majority of people who are dying and or sick seek God during those Tims. Yet They don’t seek God fully when they are living the life they want. And that’s the majority of human beings that do that. But you’ll find through hardship you grow closest to God and there’s a reason for that but it would be to long to explain it here.
@@undrwatropium3724That’s not how Christianity works it’s very clear on that. But modern people like to think they can Repent and be forgiven over and over and that’s due to false modern teachings. Most people don’t actually read or study the Bible, if they did they would understand it doesn’t work like that. How many people do you think actually actively fight against their sins and truly try daily to not sin? The right answer is Very little actually try mostly because it’s extremely hard but also because most modern people on average don’t care enough. We live in a world of instant gratification and a time where misinformation is the majority of information people hear. To know truth you must understand the prerequisite for truth itself which is as far as we know the Bible. It’s is the original author of moral morality making God the true moral authority, so without that we wouldn’t understand morality anyway lol and psychology and theology completely agree on that. But simply put If your heart is of pure intentions and you are trying not to sin yet you still fall short and sin well God is the most gracious and God knows what is truly in your heart so you can be forgiven. But if your a false Christian and you actively seek out sin and don’t fight against it. well I’d say good luck trying to be forgiven for living a life of sin while being actively aware of your sins. It’s hypocrisy especially if you go around claiming your Christian all day that’s a sin that is going to be very hard to gain forgiveness for that’s very clear. To sum it up Claiming your Christian is nothing special Being Christian is something else. And you can objectively see the difference pretty clearly in those who are truly Christian and those who only claim the title of Christian.
Adultery is what Eve did...why do you think it says "their eyes were opened and they realized they were naked"? And then her punishment is "pains in childbearing"? She's pregnant with Cain......
I love the Adam and Eve story. You can really pick it apart in so many ways that reveals the silliness of it. One way, that I've never heard anyone consider is time. How long were they in the garden before this event happened? Now at first it might seem irrelevant or meaningless to ask that question, but if you really consider it, there is more silliness that arises. It's actually a very important question to ask because it can change a lot on how the story is viewed.
Great point. Like your in the presence of an all powerful GOD for days? Weeks? Months? And you do the one thing he tells you not to do 😭 Also god created the serpent and knew it would tempt his creation thus dooming the billions that comes after them.
@@AnonymousCommenter. Yep exactly. Imagine they were in the garden for a few thousand years before the partaking of the tree of knowledge occurred. I think one reason time is never brought up is because it changes the feeling of the story. If it had said they were there for hundreds of years and then this event happened, many questions start to pop up in your head. It also comes down to the "child" will break a rule eventually given enough time.
They fell the same day. That is why 6 is number of men. They never entered into God rest which is seventh day of Creation because of their disobbidience
I'm 100% serious when I say I had the same idea! A caring parent won't put a knife in the playpen of toys and say choose wisely or surely die. It's so bizarre. It's so interesting to hear you speak because i totally understand! What's your tiktok?
Yes n christian would bash the parents too. Like when leave a gun unlocked n not on safety. They call out the parent for being un responsible and for even having something dangerous there. Like gear your self case closed
i once left a box of doughnuts on a table in a room with young children,i told the kids" now dont eat those doughnuts!" later the babysitter arrived and told the kids "sure you can have a doughnut!"its easy to guess what happened to that box of doughnuts....
When I heard the question "Why did God put the tree in Adam's garden", a thought came to my mind. What if the garden was never for Adam? What if it was God's garden, belonging to him and designed for him, while Adam was no more than an additional pet, a puppet, an alive piece of furniture for God to look at? God doesn't want his pet to know good and evil - he wants it to be thoughtless and ignorant, doing silly things for God's amusement. He creates Adam first, so this intent of his is reflected in Adam exactly how God wants. However, after some time God understands: pet is alone - pet is bored - pet isn't doing as much silly things as it could've been; and here's when he makes Adam a companion, Eve. But Eve isn't made only by God himself - Adam's rib is also involved in her making, somehow lessening the influence of God's intent to see his pets thoughtless. Thus, Eve gains intuition and curiosity; and while Adam is out there rolling on his back or doing whatever he can for God's amusement, Eve goes exploring the garden and finds the tree. Adam, still being completely thoughtless, comes after her and just stays there while she talks to the serpent. The serpent's intent is hard to define - maybe it wants humans to become something better than just another kind of pets in God's garden, maybe it even hopes for them to overthrow God one day, or maybe it just wants pets to get smarter and more interesting to watch. However, it does tell them the truth about the tree - unlike God, who plays on their primal fear of death to keep pets away from the table, I mean tree (because, again, he wants pets to stay silly) - and Eve, having acknowledged the usefulness of it, takes a bite and offers Adam to do the same. Adam, being as thoughtless as God wanted him to be, takes a bite too. They understand good and evil, and also understand that now they aren't silly anymore. Some time later God walks through his garden, calling his pets in a "kitty-kitty" manner, and when they finally show up and turn out to be too smart to amuse him, he gets angry, throws a tantrum and curses everyone. Eve gets the hardest punishment because she's the most independent, and angry God wants to break her spirit; Adam is put above her for the same reason (maybe God did fear a possibility of being overthrown, huh?), and the serpent is most likely deprived not only of his legs, but also of his intelligence, becoming a new silly belly-crawling pet for God, like Adam once was. And at the end God sends Adam and Eve down to Earth, where he from now on can see - and stage - the most emotional and intricated spectacles he could ever imagine. With all the evil and all the suffering. Again, for his selfish amusement...
This is imaginative, but it presumes that God is as petty and malevolent as most of the tyrants who have ruled this world. The challenge is not in creating a docile and obedient pet. It is in parenting a child until it becomes a spiritual adult. As humans we have been given opportunities to participate in that process and learn what it means be good examples to our offspring. Not the same as being God, but close in principle, as can be evidenced by Jesus calling God by the name "abba" or spiritual "Father." I'd consider any entity who interferes with the best efforts of loving parents to be a true villain. Wouldn't you?
Another thing, why did God allow or create a serpent to have a voice like a human, it sounds ludacris, imagine all animals or creatures having a voice 😅, Lucifer transformed into a snake
eh, seems kinda speculative and agenda based. if we still assume god is all powerful and everything why not just take back the knowledge they gained from eating the fruit? why not just put them on chains or something, try to discipline them like how you do with pets cuz they don't always follow you. what's the point of putting one above the other if you're just gonna banish both of them from the garden anyway? i mean i'm all for desconstructing and thinking about this story but this ain't it chief
@@xaevius5319 You are right and the problem is the agenda. Most people are quick to point the finger of blame at anyone others than themselves. God cannot offer free will and still keep control of the outcome. People ASSUME that God is in full control and fail to realize that they are each captains of his/her own ship. Instead of seeing that Adam and Eve were deceived into making bad choices, they prefer to blame God for setting up mankind. Do they fail to see that things were going pretty well until the serpent slithered out of the grass? Perhaps the word "punish" raises an immediate red flag in the minds of the Sheeple who are too ignorant to appreciate the gifts that God gave them.
You explain this so well and is an example of exactly what started me to question my indoctrination… and ultimately leave religion and no longer believe. It reads like a failed experiment and the test subjects were punished for the experimenter’s failure.
I've always found telling people who don't understand the difference between good and evil not to do something super weird. How would they know that disobedience was a "bad" thing if they needed to eat the tree to know the difference between good and evil.
They did know that they should not eat of this tree and that it would be bad because they would die if they did. So they did this knowing that is was against what God told them and they decided to listen to the serpent instead of God.
@@wesleywillis5933 but this contradicts itself then because they had at least SOME knowledge of good and evil because they not only knew disobedience to God was bad but also knew death was bad, something I don't know to this day, to me, death is neutral. What was the purpose of the tree if they already knew what was good and bad for them?
@@bluester7177 God did not set up Adam and Eve sis. The reason God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden, forbade them to not eat the fruit of it and let the serpent tempt them, it’s because God wants Adam and Eve to love him by their obedience, actions and choices. If God gave us free will and didn’t give us choices, wouldn’t that make him an unfair God?
It is not about intellect, that's why@@bluester7177. Most people dont actually understand the story as well as they think they do. It wasn't a tree, it's just a title. I can explain if you want.
I think one of the best books I ever read was "The Diaries of Adam and Eve" by Mark Twain. It is funny, insightful, and sad all at the same time. The ending brought me to tears. It's only around 40 pages, and well worth the read.
@@bonnie43uk The copy that I have, is part of a compilation titled "Letters from the Earth". I'm not sure if the diaries are available separately. Twain himself never published any of that book, as it would likely have landed him in legal hot water, at the time. It's a great book, that I highly recommend.
I’ve been triggered by scripture (and the reading of) for many years. You are helping me be able to hear all of those words again, but with a healed ❤️. Best perspective change if my lifetime!! Thank you so very much for that!! 🥰🥰🥰
You will never understand the Genesis story of Adam and Eve without Divine guidance, which I've been given. (I'm the prophesied return of the biblical prophet Elijah.) For example, "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" - the tree of knowledge of Go(o)d and (d)evil - does not supply knowledge at all. For, when you believe that GOD (good) has competition, when you believe that there is a power other than GOD, its because you have LOST all knowledge! The tree of knowledge of good and evil is the tree of IRRATIONAL knowledge: IGNORANCE. We all partook of this irrational idea, which is why we are experiencng this world of LIMITATION. But the "GOOD NEWS" is that this is only temporary, and "GOD our Savior...will have all men (and women) to be saved and come unto knowledge of the truth." (1Timothy 2:3-4) Yes, when GOD says "good news," GOD means GOOD NEWS! All mysteries have been revealed. Click and ye shall find.
I'm currently deconstructing Christianity and just found your channel today. Loving the content! This was the first big doubt I had that eventually led me to begin deconstructing. Couldn't have said any of this better myself!
Love that I randomly found this channel after I started doing my unpacking, literally last night I was writing and this is the exact thing I was saying, that he is the the first tempter, he put the tree there and made it tempting, he made it appealing to us and allowed this to take place, he allowed the serpent to talk to eve, he allowed them to eat the fruit and then comes out guns blazing throwing curses at the creation that he loves so much. We never introduced sin into the world, he’s the creator of everything, including sin, satan wasn’t the first sinner, it had to exist for him to do it, but somehow they’ve manage to twist this blame game and take the blame from the one who made everything the way it is. It’s not a gift if you’re the one who gave me the problem
I'm 13 now, I grew up strictly catholic, I hated it. I'm 2 years into deconstruction and you have helped me understand so much more about the church, I love your channel
look up Genesis 28 about the stone of Jacob. then look up Gen 49.10. then look at the coronation chair of King Charles and you will see that same stone under the chair. then look up the heraldry signs of the 13 tribes and you will see Charles is from Judah house of David. so the most wicked people rule the world
Kristi has decided that God's test of Adam and Eve was God's fault because he knew in advance that they would both eat of the forbidden fruit. God created Adam and Eve in his own image , then placed them in a garden. They had a sinless nature , but Adam chose to sin against the commandment to not eat the forbidden fruit. They were both sinless but had to resist sin to keep what they had , and come into maturity and holiness. Once their eyes were opened , they were once again offered to choose between good and evil and life or death. The perils of life served to remind them that not ever knowing anything but the good was God's first choice for them..
@@narcissistinjurygiver2932 God is not willing that any should perish but that all would come to repentance. Jesus was the second Adam who came from heaven. He lived a sinless life and shed his blood on the cross to pay for our sins in full and redeem us from eternal torment and offer is eternal life.
Something I have been thinking a lot about lately that Kristi mentioned briefly is that God supposedly knows everything, including what's going to happen in the future. Which means he knew before he even created Adam and Eve, that they were going to sin, and he was going to punish them. Which means it was his plan from the beginning. So why would they be punished for carrying out his plan? If he wanted things to turn out differently he could've designed the system differently. He knew how it would play out, and that makes it his responsibility. He also supposedly knew that he would send Jesus someday, so why didn't he sent him right away? Why did he first wait until Noah build the ark and everyone in the world was killed, including children and babies and grandmothers? God knows the future so he knew that Flood wouldn't work and that eventually he would send Jesus to save people from their sins. Then why did he wait thousands of years to do that? I think people see questions like this as attacking God which is a big no-no because he is supposedly perfect. The questions are about the validity of the stories. And pointing out the ways that they don't make sense. True believers are not allowed to question. But if you sit back and think about the stories, you start to see no they don't make literal sense, but they are set up to control the masses and gather followers who will obey blindly.
Another question I often ask these religious nut jobs is, if God is going to send back Jesus to fix everything, Why didn't he do it in 1985 or 1945 or 1543 or 1288 or 1097?... Does he enjoy watching people suffer?
No matter when Jesus was send it applied to all people who loved God by their obidinece in every era. Those are the dead who got ressurected immadietly after Jesus. As for other questions I will respond later
I remember as a child....reading educational books and watching videos that are also educational was considered "satanism" I immediately took the Holey Trypophiliac book and sent it straight to the garbage can. *THAT'S SATANISM* There was one time before that I was in bible study and I mentioned Charles Darwin...the whole church went silent. True story
Brilliant job. Perfect analysis. You don't need to be a scholar to see the stupidity of this shit story. It's ruined so many lives. It needs to end now..
Also was the serpent satan? If so why was he in the garden of Eden? Could animals talk before the fall? If Adam and Eve were in the presence of god why weren’t they worshipping him (just like how Satan didn’t even though he was in the presence of god also). And why did god have to find them when they were hiding? I thought you can’t hide from god
The serpent was Satan in disguise. It would have been after he was thrown out of heaven. He couldn't destroy God so the next best thing was to hurt people because people are made in God's image and he hates God. Knowing that people are in God's image, the devil deceived Eve by saying she would be like God if she ate from the one place they were told not to. The thing is, they were already like God, and God wanted to give them a choice to listen and they didn't. Eve knew they were told not to and even brought that fact up, but let herself be deceived anyway. The devil also lied to her and said eating it would not really kill her----so she did. Then she told Adam who also knew better and then God came along knowing where they were, knowing they were hiding because they did what they did and didn't want to be punished. He was testing them knowing how they'd react. They were supposed to listen but they didn't. Eve blamed the devil. Adam blamed Eve. Nobody took responsibility. They thought they could hide from God but of course you can't. After they were punished, God gave them animal skins for clothing. The innocent death of an animal, the animal skins, represented Jesus's future sacrifice for mankind for their sins. Animals were unfairly punished alongside humanity. They didn't deserve it. Jesus didn't either. Fortunately, the Bible does say animals do benefit from humanity's redemption and are also waiting for things to be made right by Christ again. That's an aside though. Back to your question. They were cast out at some point. Remember how I said the devil said they wouldn't die? The sad thing is he lied. They died spiritually that day and much later on, a physical death too. As far as animals talking, they cannot. In Numbers 22, when the evil man is driving his female donkey through the field and vineyard, an angel of death appears down the path that the man cannot see. However, the donkey can see it naturally and avoids it, seeing danger. The man doesn't understand and beats the donkey savagely. God speaks through the donkey regarding this savage abuse and the donkey is unaware. I imagine the man himself is terrified by his response but I can't be sure. Right after this his eyes are opened and he can see what the donkey could all along. Keep in mind the angel of death was probably scary to look at. So, no, I don't think animals could ever talk, but that chapter in Numbers does reveal they can see angels whenever they are present (dunno how often that is but I don't think we are meant to be nervous/uncomfortable about it). As a quick note, keep in mind the angels now in heaven are the elect. Like Satan those left have some will of their own, but angels are not saved because they are much higher than us and more intelligent than us.
God was walking and couldn’t see them as this was the anthropomorphic J source Canaanite god - not the P source Babylonian god of Genesis 1 nor the omnipotent god that would develop in the Second Temple period. The snake was just a snake with the idea it was Satan not being introduced until around 90 CE in a line by John of Patmos in Revelation which is purely symbolic. There are instances of talking animals later in the Bible such as the story of Balaam’s donkey.
Also a talking Donkey (Balaam in Numbers), talking eagle in Revelation (warning of the wrath of God) and a talking lion that spoke to David. Seems animals talked on a regular basis back then
Hearing Adam and Eve as a kid soooo many times is one of the reasons I stopped going to church and identifying as Christian in the 5th grade. I couldn't shake the feeling Christianity as a religion didn't like girls. I even had the feeling that because of the story, everyone would feel like girls suck and are the reason everything is bad in the world. So why would I want to be in a religion that hates me and blames me for everything? I recently looked at Adam and Eve from a fresh perspective just a few weeks ago and I was so mad when I realized God LIED about what the fruit did. Isn't lying a sin? So if anyone introduced sin into the garden, it was God, not us! I felt like I had been gaslighted my entire life. 😤 And the reason they ate the forbidden fruit was BECAUSE of the lie. God also ordered them to multiply and be vegan but never gave a reason for that. So had he just said not to eat it without giving a reason then they might not have. But like you said, I thought it was so appropriate when I realized the snake never actually did anything wrong. All the snake did was tell the truth and was punished for it. Even better, the snake is described as basically more intelligent than other animals. So God punished someone for being HONEST and SMART. Yeah....that sounds like religion all right. 😩
The YT algorithm did something right and suggested your channel. Yay! I really like the way you articulate these religious issues. Ever since I started to think about bibical literalism I've thought that the story of Adam and Eve was a set-up job that served to maintain a patriarchy.. I mean ,A & E didn't know they sinned until AFTER they ate the fruit so basically god was punishing toddlers. I also hadn't thought of Adam being so weak. So the patriarchy wants us to know that smart women are not to be trusted. Good job and I'm now a subscriber with notifications turned on.
You can't even make it past creation. 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.
@@2fast2block The Adam and Eve story requires the supernatural but a supernatural creation doesn't validate the Adam and Eve story. The thought that an entity capable of creating the universe would then engineer the "fall of man" defies credulity.
@@malundy Adam sinned because he chose not to obey Gods commandment to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Giving him a choice to not eat from that tree and live was all on Adam , not God.
Your deconstruction is fascinating! You raise these issues as you actually go through the process resulting in a disarming and refreshing frankness - this is a precious thing, don't lose it.
She hates to think. 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.
@@2fast2block If creation had to be done supernaturally the bible doesn't, and never could, describe it. When you look at the historicity of the bible you find it grew out of the polytheism that preceded it. That polytheism presumably is posited as the source of your universe.
@@paulreader1777 "If creation had to be done supernaturally" Meaning you're not convinced, meaning you're stuck, meaning you can't even follow science, so you put in a blah blah hoping that will make you look smart.
@@2fast2block On the contrary I am an evolutionary biologist with a minor in biophysics but I accept that neither the origin of life or the origin of the universe has been adequately explained. Positing a god of the gaps is as good an explanation as any other for now. I am merely pointing out that creation, as described in the Hebrew/Christian bible, has its origins in polytheism and is not a good explanation.
And they are also the ones who blame women for "tempting" them. Projection, projection, projection. From weak little men who don't want to learn any responsibility or self-control.
It's refreshing to see somebody who has reached the same conclusions as I have. I have been feeling depressed and alone after realizing how absurd my life long Christian beliefs were and turning from them. I came to this realization on my own after reading 2 Peter 2:20-22 and feeling like I must be condemned after all, even though I was a believer, because of my sinful addictions. This started me down the path of taking an objective look at the idea of hell and Christianity and no longer turning a blind eye to the things that didn't make sense. I now see Christianity as a sweater and hell is the forbidden loose thread, which if tugged on will unravel the whole thing. I have realized for some time now that if the Bible were true, then God orchestrated the fall of man. Why create Lucifer? Why create this magical tree? Why put both of these into the garden with susceptible man, tip toe off, let things play out, and then come back and say, oh, what happened? I've also realized that the moment God created Lucifer, he did fully intend for us to fall. The moment he created hell, he did fully intend for us to go there. If you are all wise, all knowing, all powerful, and unlimited, then you don't make mistakes, everything you do has an expected and purposeful outcome. Why put flaws into your creation unless you fully intend for it to fail? Why would a loving father not take better care of his children? If you know of a danger that could hurt your children, wouldn't you do everything in your power to protect them from it? Maybe even remove the danger? Maybe give them a more thorough and detailed warning? Maybe keep an eye on them and stop them if they even came close to it? Would you put your child in a building, and give an arson access, and even provide the arson with gasoline and matches, then say, it's all good because now I'll invent burn cream; but my child has to jump out of the window and trust that I'll catch him and mend his burns if he does. If not, then he can just stay and burn in the fire. I also have to ask how Lucifer could possibly sin in heaven. Who tempted him? Did the tree used to be in heaven and did he eat from the tree first? Why would 1/3 of the angels follow him in rebellion instead of being deathly afraid of the wrath they would share with him for it? What were they rebelling about? Why would they find fault with God? Maybe it was a semi forced situation like Judas betraying Jesus and like Pharo having his heart hardened. Why does God even need angels? How could there be a war in heaven? Why would angels need to guard heaven? Is God weak? Is he not all powerful? Instead of trying to rehabilitate man, God feels like he made a mistake in creating them and decides to wipe out all but 1 man and his family in a world wide flood? So of all mankind, Noah was the only one to maintain faith in God? Really? God could only convince 1 single person and his family to keep believing in him? Then God felt bad for what he did and decided to make up for it by creating the rainbow to perpetually remind us that he pinky swore not to do it again? So the combination of light and water mist didn't have the prism effect until that moment? Aside from the Bible, I feel that outer space also calls things into question. If there's a god, then what was the point in creating the vast expansion of space with the countless galaxies, solar systems, black holes, stars, planets, asteroids, meteors, and recently discovered a possible super earth? So in all of that creation out there, we're on the only planet capable of sustaining life? There really aren't other life sustaining planets? We're the only planet God decided to pay any mind? Why doesn't the Bible cover more than a few Greek mythology constellations as far as space goes? With all the seeming chaos of asteroids and meteors flying around randomly smashing into the moon and planets, the oddness of earthly metals and gases also existing in outer space...it just seems like there's nothing but the laws of physics and magnetic fields at play controlling it all rather than an organized god. I sometimes wonder if there actually could be aliens out there and if they have anything to do with our existence. Who knows? I think discovering life outside of earth would make everyone's jaw drop, but religious people's jaws would fall the hardest. They'd have some 'splaining to do 😉.
She clearly doesn't understand the bible. Remember Jesus was communing daily with them and they were also afraid so Jesus use this way to relate to them
This is the worst breakdown. It shows she literally has no idea what actually happened only three chapters into the Bible. If someone gets a book wrong before chapter four…you should not trust them as a reference.
God sounds like a perv. Just creating people to watch them in the nude doing whatever. And when they dress up, he gets mad and kicks them out. Sleezy. ;-)
I was raised Catholic and have no great knowledge of the Bible. I grew up in the 70s, and had a nun hit me over and over with a ruler, screaming at me that I was a “child of Satan” because 6 year old me made the sign of the cross with my left hand. Now in my 50s, I’m a Pagan and a Witch. I enjoy dissections of how messed up and toxic Christianity is. Helps me shed my trauma and pain.
This is so brilliant. As a recovering former Christian I am so grateful when someone can so eloquently explain and point out the flaws in these stories we've taken for granted. It seems like it doesn't take much more than looking at a slightly different angle to see how false and disgusting these messages we learned as kids and into adolescents were. Thank you for putting yourself out there, for opening up yourself to the horrible attacks from fundies in comments to help us all learn and recover more thoroughly and healthily. We appreciate you.
Isn't it so facinating how just shifting your perspective and reading the story from a different angle completely changes how you interpret it? I'm always amazed by how indoctrination can make these wild stories believable and palatable. Thank you for your kind words and support
@@jezebelvibesGod created Adam and Eve sinless in a garden that provided everything that they needed to live. Adam clearly disobeyed God's command , and when his eyes were opened , he then knew shame and guilt , and his nakedness made him self conscious. God knows the end from the beginning. Adams one sin was the cause of everyone else sinning , but God intended to offer redemption for those who would faithfully follow him in spite of having a sinful nature.
@@brianjones2384 here's one for you, why not just let the people who don't want to follow god have their own universe where they can live like we happy atheists do, and leave it at that, if god is merciful and great and he can do anything he please, why not just accept he can't make everyone like him and give us our own universe to live happily in? what's so vital about punishment and burning people alive? why does there have to be a hell? it's because it is MYTHOLOGY. you nit.
@@gardener3017 I totally respect your beliefs & opinions. I'm here to tell you that Almighty God & His Word/Bible(if properly translated, 100 English language Bibles)are Reality.
I was having Bible study with this older woman and we were talking about this story because I was like “how is Jehovah walking through the garden?” She said it was figuratively. 😐
@@danielvargas9100If he is everywhere at the same time, and observes everything we do....why would He need to go anywhere...and call out, asking where they were?
@@darylp8564 Because God speaks to us on our level. For example, he asked Cain in Genesis 4:9 "Where is your brother Abel??" God knew exactly where Abel was, but He asked Cain regardless because that's how he makes sense of things to us... Cain talked to God right back after that question. Cain didn't say, "You're God you should know that already, lol. Come on, use a little logic.
@@danielvargas9100 Logic applied to biblical subjects, is like Kryptonite to Superman. Lol that one. You didn't answer my question, as to why a being who is everywhere has a need to travel. I'm expecting an apologist answer, if I get one at all.
@@darylp8564 You are on a youtube channel that is talking about biblical topics. What else would you expect me to do? Not use logic? Anyways, here's how it works. And remember, this is GOD we are speaking of. It's GOD....... Ok. In Genesis (in the beginning), God the Father is on His throne, while SIMULTANEOUSLY on earth as a Spirit, hovering over the waters (Genesis 1:2). So, it's not like he got off the throne to travel to earth. He is on the throne while SIMULTANEOUSLY on earth as a Spirit. It's tripped out, but its GOD remember? Another example. When Jesus (His Son) was on earth while getting baptized in water, his Father from the heavenly throne said "This is my Son who I am well pleased," and at that moment, the Holy Spirit came onto Him like a dove. ALL GOD. The Father NEVER left his throne, while His Son was on earth, while the Spirit descended into Jesus. This is complex. This is GOD. Trying to understand how GOD can morph, put on skin, be in the form of a burning bush, dwell in a temple, ALL WHILE NEVER LEAVING THE THRONE is BEYOND ME. But it makes sense because ITS GODDDDDDDDDDD. GOD can do whatever the flip He wants, and however He wants. The laws of physics CANNOT STOP HIM. So, if its too far fetched for you, that's normal. We are worms compared to GOD. Intellects on earth are dumbasses compared to him. Lastly, this is the same GOD that made your soul easily. He made the dirt you live on, and it was easy for Him. He set up the sexual system for humans so that you can exist. That's GOD.
Its amazing to see that you are awake Kristi. The way you express yourself is like a weight fall off your shoulder Free mind free thinker Im struggling also with my Christian religion and questioning everything Keep up the good work on this amazing channel
Just 'found' your channel - I usually run like hell from anything that even hints about the hateful, abusive childhood I endured in a Fundie church. THIS - this is the outlook I needed in my teens. (a long, long time ago). Thank you! I made a frenzied dive for the 'subscribe' button.
When we try to understand the mind of God and the plan of God for mankind, it always leads to confusion, anger and apart from Him. I would not try to analyze the Scriptures to "prove" that Christianity is fake.
OMG WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN!! I'm so glad to have found your channel! I finally feel like someone gets it! I've thought these things and said/shared some of them and it's never gone well.. I left the church and blindly believing in the doctrine years ago, but I'm still deconstructing. I still believe in God(or a Creator), just not the way I was taught. Ultimately, I'm just trying to figure out my belief system overall. An I thank you for what you're doing. It is timely, insightful, and helpful.
I think it's a story about slaves in a Babylonian garden. The rules for such slaves allowed them to eat from most trees, but the rare and particularly mature trees were off limits to slaves. Perhaps they were kids brought up in slavery from a very early age, forced to work nude and perhaps they didn't know better because it had always been that way. The Lord was the lord of the manor or garden. OT was written during the Babylonian Empire, and they were very famous for their gardens, which were also sort of zoos for exotic animals (think about Noah's Ark). Maybe it was a Blue Lagoon situation, and they realized they were naked when they had sexual awakening. There is a doublet of the creation story, and one states that the lord needed slaves to tend his garden, so he created them. When I look at the creation story through this lens, it starts to make a little sense.
There is this thing in psychology, it's the chick in the egg thing. Imagine a chick in an egg. That egg has been its entire universe for it's entire existence, but it is outgrowing the egg, and it is put in this situation where it must begin to destroy the very egg that has protected it. Once outside the egg, there is a lamenting for the way things were. Some psychologist say there is a penchant in us to blame ourselves for the destruction of the halcyon days of our youth. I heard this described to me about 30 years ago, but then read about it again around 2000 in a book titled "Bush on the couch" - where a psychologist attempts to examine George W. Bush. By the way, I saw an interview with Matt Damon and Robin Williams on the Charlie Rose show, where Damon, who wrote "Good Will Hunting" said, that the protagonist is confronting a similar situation - whether or not to grow beyond his tight little world with his friends in his neighborhood.
@@kaneinkansas yes. I think the ancient Hebrew religion struggled with the transition from hunter/gatherers into more permanent settlements. The story of Cain and Abel illustrates that they believed their god preferred the blood sacrifice of an animal to valuable grain and vegetable. I think the push to monotheism has to do with the difficulty of supporting so many animal sacrifices, particularly after Josiah’s reforms. It’s fun to plug the stories into the actual history and figure out the story that was meant to be told.
As an equal opportunity omnipotent flawless in perfection creator God. I'm sure there was a parallel biblical story that must have been an Adam & Steve story. Eating a rainbow hue apple 🍎 🌈 Because 'original sin' opens your eyes to inate sexuality, desires, and mortality. There was no 'sanctioned' sexuality over another. No even by one man, one woman. Because God forbid 🚫 that fruit.
@@troysierra5228 the perfect omnipotent god idea didn’t come about until MUCH later than these creation myths. The god who created (El) in the Hebrew Bible and the patron god of Israel (YHWH) are two different gods. El is the kindly father type deity, whereas YHWH is depicted as a furious storm god with a big ego, a bad temper, and genocidal tendencies.
The first Bible in English, 1535 - The first complete Bible in English was published abroad, most likely in Antwerp, in 1535What does the Bible say about hitting a pregnant woman? "If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
You are so right, when you speak about the Church's expectations of us: blind obedience. And not only that, they use the blind obedience to oppress its members, and brain wash them into believing that they're happy in their ignorance. I was raisied in an Evangelical church, and at the age of 16-ish, I began to truly question this blind obedience requirement, and left the church. I was condemned for my questions, and judged sinful by my former fellow congregants. As a young mother, in my 20s, I briefly explored re-joining the "faith", and was again confronted, by my intuition (God-given, if you ask some of my former fellow congregants... but that's another exploration: if it is God-given, why is using my intuition a "sin"?), and abandoned the organized Evangelical "faith" once again. Now, I'm still exploring whether I believe in an Omnipotent Higher Being, but I have no doubt that the God of the Bible is neither All Knowing, nor is He All Compassionate. He is, in short, as you say... The Bad Guy.
While I do believe in gods and one that's above the rest; I don't worship them or do much in the way of anything because I believe they want humans to grow and develop on their own. I can imagine them having left in the past due to cults and simply left bits of information to help with our growth. Sadly, much of the knowledge of the symbolism and metaphors have been lost and distorted over time. So, I think the best thing humans can do in life is to improve themselves and help others improve as well.
I struggled with the bible being the inspired word of God as a teenager as it had so much in it that was bad. The Israelites committing genocide and enslaving people when they took over the promised land. God having to sacrifice his own son to save us? Why didn't he just forgive us and make everything right if he made the rules. I did always believe there was a higher being though. Just that the Bible was a poor man made attempt to describe him. However since I have been listening to Atheist v Apologist arguments and evolutionary theory I now don't believe even a God exists and that there is no supernatural realm. No fairies, no ghosts, no angels, no demons and no Gods. There is no higher power judging your thoughts and actions. There are just human societies whose opinions and values change over time. We can play a part in influencing these opinions and values for the better.
God gave Adam a sinless nature and commanded him not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam chose to sin and the knowledge of evil made life harder after choosing to sin. But Adam rejected Gods perfect plan , and suffered the consequences of sin. However , now that Adam has learned this lesson , he is now able to choose good over evil after his eyes have been opened and follow after God.
@@brianjones2384 Why do you think the Adam and Eve story is an account of a real life event? It is even less plausible than the Harry Potter story. You need to examine why you believe certain things to be true. In my case it was because I was taught things when I was a child by people I trusted. When I looked into where these ideas came from I discovered they were just stories that had been repeated for thousands of years. This doesn't make them true any more than the Father Christmas story is true.
@@davidstirk4732 God is an absolute being with all knowledge to make a universe with a world like ours with humans who could perceive reality unlike anything found in the animal kingdom. I believe that he created Adam and Eve in his image , and with a sinless nature to offer them the gift of eternal life freely. God commanded Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit. The freedom to eat from any tree in the garden except for one tree was to bring their sinless nature to full maturity towards holiness. Adam's disobedience to God's command and. warning violated God's covenant. God begins with the ideal and with both love and goodness as a faithful creator. However once Adam and Eve's eyes were opened they now realized that it was better to not know evil at all. However once they were removed from the garden , they could choose good from evil once again , and now wiser to not repeat the same mistakes.
That is such an interesting perspective and I absolutely love how you tore apart one of the fundamentals of the book because that is very interesting that we look at it from more perspectives than our childlike Wonder because we're very much molded when we were raised in a church environment
This story was the final blow to my subtle deconstruction that creeped into my Christian journey a few years ago. This story clearly wasn't thought through. If it's inspired by God, then at least there shouldn't be all these weird fundamental flaws.
I was similar. I had shifted from devout Christian to agnostic that still kinda hoped one day to find god. But this was the story that finally pushed me to the point that the god of the Bible was hopelessly contradictory there for impossible.
It doesn't have to be "inspired by God" in the modern fundamentalist Christian sense, in order to make it true. It also doesn't have to be easy for you to understand, in order to be true. It also doesn't even have to be true, in order to have value, nor does its true value have to be apparent to you.
After sinning in Heaven (Rev.12:7-9) the Angel Lucifer was hurled to Earth, in order to give him a 2nd chance in the Garden (Ezekiel 28:13-19) in the form of serving humans as a cherub. He chose to continue in sin, but this time against humans through the woman (Genesis 3:1-16); that’s what made us imperfect. The same exact sin was carried out by the fallen angels in Genesis 6:1-2, which caused the flood after 120yrs (Genesis 6:3-4). His reasoning for all this is revealed in the entire chapter of Rev.12. I hope this helps!
@@undrwatropium3724 We actually were setup for success in Genesis 1-2. What Kristi is describing is church culture taught by false Christians, not the actual scriptures. This is why she experienced religious abuse, because they were not of Christ. I’m not being insensitive in that, because I speak from personal experience myself.
Love your content. From a very young age in sunday school, I noticed the difference in God's compassion between the old testament and the new testament. At the age of 9 I refused to go to church, because their answers to my questions were not satisfactorily answered and to this day are not answered. Their main saying is, you have to have faith. Not good enough. Wasn't a good answer 65 years ago and not good enough at 71 yrs old. Pretty much, I have faith in myself to hopefully make the right decisions. Not always right one but I've done pretty good at trusting my choices. I feel the the church is a crutch for the people as an excuse to not help themselves, or believe that they're not capable of doing the things they can. You hear people say, "Praise the Lord! He saved us from this flood!" or maybe some other disaster. Or " I couldn't have done it without the Lords help".
I hope you're not saying that the old testament god is vengeful whereas the new testament god is compasionate. The god of psalm 103 is very compassionate, whereas the god of revelation and 2peter and 2thessalonians is very vengeful.
@@qbasicmichael , that's the main difference between OT & NT; what just about everyone says they know about the covenants. OT yhwh goes on about how he's jealous & created evil. The psalms aren't the deity talking. Revelation isn't prophesy. Paul's letters are more than likely forgeries. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
I'm more of an agnostic atheist and started the bible yesterday but without the lense of an indoctrinated christian. To me, even in the first 4 chapters of genesis god is clearly the antagonistic figure here. So weird that people see him as the ultimate love and justice.
Why is god antagonistic in Genesis 3? He tells you the truth all the way. Now... it is true that the truth hurts, especially if you are in labor and your fields have a lot of rocks. ;-)
I like the analogies of the toddler/parent relationship and showing compassion in a wrong choice…and the toddler with the knife for free will- brilliant
I find it so hard to understand how god gave ‘a free choice’ if they couldn’t know any morals or know literally anything about life. It simply does not add up on how that’s fair! How could they know they were making a mistake if god never taught them mistakes or that mistakes are bad?
@Kush Hazard If I am an infant a few months on this earth and my parent doesn't want me to have something, they don't plop it in front of me then punish me for grasping it. You especially don't plop it in front of me and then hire a babysitter to be alone in the room with me, literally present the forbidden thing to me, then curse and punish me. It is literally a parent's job to train and nurture and the entire reason is for the health, growth, safety and well being of the child, to get them safely to adulthood and able to stand on their own and be competent adults; not to satisfy the purely dictatorial impulses of a parent and remain forever subservient to parental instruction. If you don't know right from wrong, you also can't know that failing to follow a particular instruction is wrong. Especially when two adults are telling you very different things.
@Kush Hazard Yawn, whatever. If they don't see a good or bad side to it, objectively, or FEAR death particularly, yet, then how do you know what they'll choose, and how they'll weigh it up? Also, it's got NOTHING to do with 99.9999999999 percent of humanity, either way, who were not yet BORN and had NO say in any of it. Whilst I also bet, even 1/3 and probably, 3/3 of angels, DID know good from bad, and wider stakes - and had even less likely reason to 'rebel' in a 'perfect realm' etc. Seems unlikely, taken that way? The whole civil war, thing?
@Kush Hazard Why is following instructions "good" why is not following them "evil"? How were they to know? The whole point of the tree was it taught them the difference.
@kushhazard3109If your God is Omnipresent and real we have no free will. But he decides that's the way he wants the dice to roll. Let me ask you this. Does God have free will? Could he choose not to create at all?
@@Kruppes_Mule The written title “tree of knowledge” does not refer to mental or educational ability being available through the indigestion of a fruit. The written title is referring to sexual knowing, the literal union between good and evil. Genesis 4:1a “And Adam KNEW Eve his wife; and she CONCEIVED-“ Genesis 4:25a “And Adam KNEW his wife AGAIN; and she BARE A SON, and called his name Seth-“ This is why the woman’s womb was cursed in Genesis 3:16, while Adam’s hands were cursed in Genesis 3:18 since he ate from the tree but did not have intercourse with Satan. The woman was targeted with deception due to Revelation 12. The fact that Satan actually KNEW he HAD to deceive the woman through temptation is proof she was not created flawed, she was a completely developed whole-brained adult woman. Satan HAD to implant flaws into her. Humans were not created with unwise minds, we were given the free will to make a choice…and Satan himself knew this truth. Thats why he manipulated the woman. No one was created flawed. To understand why this happened in the beginning, you have to read Revelation 12.
My favorite thing I heard growing up in church was “if any one of us were in the garden we would have given into temptation of eating the fruit”. Suggesting that it doesn’t matter and it was inevitable. But why in the first place? Why? *sigh*
@holotrout then Jesus's sacrifice could not have been planned since before the world began. God either wasn't all knowing or he *was* willing that some should perish and therefore a liar.
@@holotrout It was planned and we know that from one simple quality of god's capabilities as a being: he has knowledge of the future. Whether he's omniscient or just maximally-knowing, he has knowledge of the future, God gives visions of the future to people all the time in the Bible, so he KNEW that Adam and Eve were going to eat from his very pretty, very obviously not hard to get to tree.
One small tip for your audio: export it into a program like Audacity (free) and do both a high cut and low cut. I'm wearing headphones and the wind getting caught in the mic is creating some unwanted bass that's distracting and also the trees blowing/insects making noises is also quite distracting. Love the content, just wish I could focus on it better.
This is brilliant and makes perfect sense Kristi, so thank you. In all the years I was a Christian, I felt bad, because I was told I was... unless I kept praying for forgiveness (which still wasn't enough).
Spot on once again. Your explanations are beautiful in their clarity, in depth examinations of the subject matter but simplistic in their delivery, so that all can understand your message. I consider you to be one of the best presenters on this platform.
This is essentially taught to children in the form of "blanket training" from the Pearl's book "How to train up a child". The documentary on the Duggar family called "Shiny Happy People" talks about that as well and many Fundie Snarkers including Jen and James from Fundie Fridays have made videos about it.
Kristi - Wow, after struggling with my upbringing through my 71 years I stumbled across your RUclips channel. Having seen only two thus far, I am fascinated by what seems to be your ability to discern the literary text from the mythical teachings, and I am anxious to watch your other videos. Over the years, I have become resentful of all organized religions, their holy relics, ceremonies, and hypocritical existence, and have questioned the very existence of God, leaning increasingly toward universal science. The Bible’s teaching of Mankind being created some 6,000 years BC is impossible, especially when solid evidence of civilizations existing long before that has been found. Of course, this all comes at a price - that which includes anxiety, guilt, and unsure feelings, stemming from years-long indoctrination by a fundamentalist belief system (Church of Christ). However, thank you for being in the right place at the right time for me to hear what you have to say. Take care …
@@RLPnKY Your reality is believing in a woman who is so awful at reading that she missed the part of Adam and Eve being immortal and warned and also did not know wjhat the forbidden tree meant.
@@isaacthegoat1432 Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. My personal experiences have shaped mine, as yours have shaped yours. Live your life as you feel you should, and I will do the same.
Yes! Years ago I used to ask why our “loving God” set us up for failure and punished ALL of mankind for Adam and Eve’s sins! Looking back, now I understand that was the beginning of my deconstruction of Christianity!
I'm glad that you dropped religion. Spirituality is the way to have a relationship with God. God punished nobody. He knew what was going to happen in the Gardin. It was like the key that started the engine of God's Perfect System. What has been labeled " Original Sin" was actually First Blessing. Without Adam and Eve doing what they did THEN we wouldn't have Free Will NOW 🙏❤️
@@FLATearthGARY You have it all wrong. If you wish for the Truth, stop accepting whatever the lying middlemen (church leaders) tell you and develop a personal relationship with God for YOURSELF. If you do, then YOU can get the Truth straight from the horse's mouth. Trust me. God is nothing like popular opinion. I am a human who makes his fair share of mistakes (sins?) and yet in the 17 years now that I have worked for God, He has shown me NOTHING BUT Love and Humor.
One question (of many) that I had was 'why would they be embarrassed to be naked by gaining knowledge'. Being embarrassed is usually a learned trait. Edit: It also never states anywhere that the serpent in the garden was Satan/Lucifer. It was always just a serpent.
All future snakes were cursed for what that snake did. Not some demon father of lies, but an actual, from thence on crawling on its belly, craftier than all the other beasts God made, heel striking, snake.
That petulant 2 yr old god. Always throwing temper tantrums when it doesn't get it's way. "God can do whatever he wants cause he made us"... Sounds pretty abusive and especially for people already struggling with low self esteem issues... that would make someone feel less than scum on the bottom of a shoe 👟
C'mon now...a talking snake? Exactly what you would read in children's literature or see in Disney movies, which you can find in the "fiction" categories.
I believe the serpent was our reptilian brain, which was condemned by nature, when we evolved bigger and more complex brains, to take the back seat because now the pre-frontal cortex would be running things.
9:30 I can just imagine that evil, bloodthirsty, war-god, called "Yaldabaoth" by the Christian Gnostics, stomping through the Garden, shouting, "Adam, where are you!"
Congratulations on your RUclips channel. I’ve really enjoyed your content from Tiktok and am glad that you are continuing to share your story. Thanks for all that you do!
Kristi, your analysis is spot on. I was never really religious but I've taken interest in this story, and I think what you've taken out of it is exactly the point. Thank you for this awesome video.
Well, you can label this video as a fruit from the forbidden tree, cause it opened my eyes. Subscribing. :) I hope you do more deconstructions like this.
The way I learned it is that Adam and Eve were too immature spiritually to eat from the tree. Eventually they would have been allowed. The devil possessed the snake to talk to them. Also, Adam and Eve would have been allowed to stay in Eden if they confessed to eating of the tree, but notice that they blamed everyone but themselves.
You are awesome! I happened to stumble across you and it feels wonderful to hear someone who thinks so similarly and is getting solid information out there, to help spark people to think on their own utilizing critical thinking indeed. You’re a gifted speaker as well. Keep it up!!
Thank you Kristi! Ever since getting deconstructed, I always wanted to find a place that talks about the absurdity of the bible from a simple logical and moralistic perspective. I appreciate other channels that debunks the myths with science, history, and logical fallacy but I believe that pointing out the simple moral failings of the biblical god like you did could be the first step for many people in their deconstruction journey.
That's a pretty good synopsis of the story. The last couple of years I've read the whole Bible from Genesis-Revelation including the so called Apocrypha. The more I read, the more unbelievable the literature looked.
That happened to me. I've already read the Bible but it's when I read the Quran that I could see it's all bullshit. I accidentally became an atheist by studying multiple religions
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Another interesting thing is that it took the serpent like six verses to talk Eve into eating the apple. It took Eve one sentence to talk Adam into doing so.
Great observation
She's his love and wife❤. So he has to please her by eating the apple that she gave to him.
C'mon... straight men, gay men,... everyone is fascinated by breasts. Of course it was easy to convince Adam.
@@NikoBGCSL everyone in WESTERN culture is fascinated with breasts. Read some anthropology. Gee...I wonder why western men have that problem...maybe you were all weaned too early poor babies....by the way...gay men don't really care about breasts either.
How many sentences do you prefer? Anyway, its the first recorded case of a man foolishly trusting his wife's judgement.
What always bothered me about that story is, how can one be expected to understand the concept of something being forbidden, without already having knowledge of good and evil in the first place?
I've always wondered that, too. On a similar note, what good would it do...to threaten them about eating the fruit, that they would die? These are people who have only been alive a short while...and nothing had died yet. They had no real experience, with almost everything. They had no adolescense...no childhood...its doubtful they even had navels! Some threat that would have made
@darylp8564 it wasn't a threat, he was saying what would happen, actions have consequences, there's no indication that nothing had died yet
@@travishofer8051 but if they had no knowledge of good or evil, they had no concept of whether eating the fruit would be bad or not. Supposedly. And if God knows everything, including what's going to happen in the future, he knew what was going to happen before hand. It would not have been a surprise. Which kind of makes it his responsibility. He set it up to happen knowing it would happen beforehand. So why would they be punished for carrying out his plan? Especially if they had no knowledge of good and evil. Why not teach them the difference between good and evil? Why immediately go to eternal punishment? The whole story doesn't seem to make a lot of sense.
I guess it was a set it up after all god knew what was going to happen.
"The Holey...by Bull"
A compilation written by Trypophiles
Without original sin, the whole church falls apart, the whole patriarchy falls apart, control of women falls apart.
Does sin exist?
Sin is a religious invention and the God of the Bible is completely useless controlling his automatons 😂😅
And it should!
Original sin is not on Earth, but it WAS in Heaven (Rev 12:7-9). Church is not a building (Matthew 18:20). Authority did not exist until the fall of mankind (Genesis 3:16b). Women are not to be viewed less than (1 Corinthians 11:11-12). The Bible warns about false Christians and false churches teaching false doctrine.
Matthew 7:15-20
“15 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”
@@TallGlass-fh8qf so what now
@@FamilyIsGone Psalm 146:3-4
“3 Do not put your trust in princes,
in human beings, who cannot save.
4 When their spirit departs, they return to the ground;
on that very day their plans come to nothing.
Matthew 11:28-30
28 “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
That anyone believes these stories from the pulpit is a testament to the gullibility of us humans.
I wouldn’t say so. For me, it was decades of indoctrination that started when I was a baby.
@@tired_buthappy yet religious believers in da comments like being stock holm syndrome believers to gawds righteousness az a magical idea.
@@tired_buthappy That started BEFORE you were a baby, like generations before generations before generations before generations before you.
@@mistylover7398 Yeah, because that's literally indoctrination, that's what indoctrination does.
A lot of people have been raised with this as their framework for interpreting reality. It can be hard to get past that, especially for less intelligent people.
I love your take on Adam and Eve and your analogy with a baby in the playpen. It’s like a father putting toys in the playpen and a loaded gun and telling the baby not to play with the gun. I’d love to hear the father’s defense when the police show up because the baby fired the gun. “It’s not my fault. The baby has free will, officer. When I placed the gun in the playpen, I told him not to play with it but he did anyway. What a bad and awful baby! I’m throwing him right out of my house! Officer, why are you putting those cuffs on my wrist? I didn’t do anything wrong. It’s all that evil baby! I know how to fix this. I’ll crucify my other son, so that then I can forgive this baby for firing the gun. Oh, Jesus, can you come down here for a minute? Wait, officer, let me go! Where are you taking me?”
Exactly lol. Gawd made sin and evil in its impossible magical complex complicated image to destroy it for existing and knowledge and torture us for da fun of it to realize how God waz probably da villain to deny and know it all dis time of God evil.
YES 💯🙌
except the tree of the knowledge of g and e is not an actual tree placed in the middle of the garden...making this story pointless
@BeefStew-kv9vq I agree totally with your first statement, but I don’t agree that makes it pointless. Trying to take it literally is what makes it pointless IMHO!
I love your analogy! No analogies are perfect but I dig this one.
Whenever I hear this story, I can't help but remember the quip, "Adam blamed Eve; Eve blamed the serpent; and the serpent didn't have a leg to stand on."
Lol 👍
Another thing that's funny is that it's completely a fictional story so if we can break it down and it makes God look bad that's pretty sad because they could have just made up their fictional story to make God look good LMAO otherwise we're on here breaking it down as if we believe it really happened but we just disagree with the way God handled it
Didn't the serpent walk on legs tho? She said something about that at the very beginning
Adam blamed God! "The woman YOU put her, she gave me to eat."
Adam and Eve were telling the truth that the serpent deceived them. The serpent was a Liar from the beginning.
Thirty years ago, in my early 20s, I was feeling guilty about normal human desires, and I concluded that perhaps I didn’t really have a good grasp of my faith, so I agreed to submit to a Bible study with some older women in my congregation as if I was someone off the street learning my religion. I now know that I was very depressed, and rightly so. But at the time I thought the study would “fix” me. So we reviewed the story of Adam and Eve, and this sweet, nurturing woman beamed at me and said, “Aren’t we so fortunate to have such a loving, patient God, who instead of killing Adam and Eve immediately, allowed them to live and have children, so that we exist today?” My response completely surprised myself, and absolutely astounded my “teachers.” I said, “I am not thankful! I’m not appreciative! I’m miserable, and supposedly it’s all Adam & Eve’s fault? If God had destroyed them, life would not be so terrible and humans would not be suffering! I don’t think that’s loving at all!”
That was the first original thought I had ever had, and I had no idea that I was capable of having thoughts that opposed the official story line. It still took me 15 more years to break away from Christianity, but that was the beginning of thinking for myself. When I left my religion, it wasn’t because I no longer believed. I totally believed, and I was positive that I was choosing eternal death. But I had decided that I’d rather be dead than pretend to love the god of the Bible any longer. Only later was I able to decide that I don’t need to believe things that don’t make sense, and so I’m no longer Christian. Although I kind of think the Christ of the Bible was not a bad dude, and that MAYBE if the religion were REALLY based on him, it would actually be a pleasant world. But I doubt it.
You can feel better to know that The bible was written by anonymous authors who never met Jesus. Paul/Saul never met Jesus. There's no historical evidence of Jesus or Moses.
How many times has the Bible been altered?
Over 30,000 changes were made, of which more than 5,000 represent differences between the Greek text used for the Revised Version and that used as the basis of the King James Version. Most of the other changes were made in the interest of consistency or modernization.
King James I of England (1566 - 1625)
Young as “the most prominent homosexual figure in the early modern period.” Married to Anne of Denmark, James is thought to have had relationships with several male courtiers - most notably, George Villiers, whom he made the Earl and later the Duke of Buckingham. ... See the hypocrisy? It's all a tool for manipulation
Its written in John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son”. God wants to save you not condemn you but are u willingly to accept that.
@@trooperslayer5910 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things. [8] Drop down, ye heavens, from above, and let the skies pour down righteousness: let the earth open, and let them bring forth salvation, and let righteousness spring up together; I the LORD have created it.
@trooperslayer5910 the loving caring God sent his only son to be tortured to death it's all man made BS lol
@@undrwatropium3724I might agree with most of what you said. But there is historical evidence for Jesus
Adam was standing there SILENTLY thinking of himself "let her eat from that tree, if she dies, then I'll not eat. If she doesn't die, then I'll eat too".
He wanted to test that tree on the expense of Eve.
Then when he screwed up he threw Eve under the bus blaming her and God for his mistake.
If there was any evil in that story it was Adam.
@@mikeymik2 seriously? Nothing states that Eve was talking to herself either.
It clearly states she was talking with another being, not with her "consciousness" lol.
How else did God punish the SERPENT and made it without legs if she was talking to herself.
Adam was standing right next to her, unless he was deaf or brain dead he heard her talking to the serpent and knew exactly from which tree he is eating.
“If there is any evil in that story, it’s Adam.”
This reminds me of how Adam is the main antagonist/villain of Season 1 of Hazbin Hotel.
To be technical - Eve was deceived. Adam transgressed.
The offense of Adam brought condemnation to all men, but the righteous act of Christ brought justification of life to all. The righteous act was not the Savior’s life or His keeping of the law, but rather His substitutionary death on Calvary. This is what brought justification of life-that is, the justification that results in life-and brought it to all men.
Romans 5:17-18 KJV
For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.) [18] Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
i had not thought of that possible angle. nowhere does the kjv narrative directly state WHERE ADAM WAS at that moment. he could have been there.
Threfore inaction on his part would have made him arguably guilty of a sin of omission. even if "sin" wasn't even invented yet.
@@Random.sachen1 nor of course is it remotely established that prior to this garden event, that serpents had legs.
what if they never did.
This is like a parent setting out all kinds of things in the kitchen and including a bowl of candy and telling your kids that you can eat any of this but not from the bowl of candy. And the kid eats from the candy. And the parent's immediate response is "Uh-oh! Someone's gotta die!" Punishment doesn't really fit the crime. Set someone up to fail and then punish them.
Great point of view
The crime?... Big crime ... I'll tell you why. It took a lot of time, thought, and effort to create Adam. Adam was God's gift to this universe. Perfect, immortal, and in God's image. Adam was basically king. God gave him freewill by telling him to name the animals. Long story short. Adam changed god's perfect universe by introducing duality. When he bit into the fruit, consciousness was expanded, allowing one to fear, to shame, to know what death meant.
@@danhtran6401 Why was Adam punished for doing what god supposedly already knew he would do? If god is supposedly omniscient, he already saw exactly what would happen. So god sets the dominos in motion anyway but then punishes Adam for doing what god already knew he would do? Where is the justice in that? How fair is that? And at the time Adam ate the fruit, he had no knowledge of good and evil. He wouldn't have know it was wrong to do what god told he and Eve not to. That came after the fact. So he gets punished for doing something wrong when he didn't even have the understanding of what wrong was. And then all of humanity gets condemned too? What nonsense. Very grateful the whole scenario is a work of fiction.
@@stevenhogenson4880 because up to that point, God provided everything for Adam. He had nothing to do but inherit God's creation. This universe is apart from others, ruled by Adam. The only way for Adam to appreciate what God has done is he must learn. Like Lucifer, the ultimate punishment was not being able to be in God's presence....
@@danhtran6401 you dont get it,,, If god is an all knowing god, he knew Adam would do exactly as he did... so it was all a set up....as Kristi is saying...
Preach sister.
I came to this conclusion as a small child when I asked my mom what was the reason God created Adam and Eve? She said to take care of the animals, then I said why don't you and dad do that? That's when I realized people cherry picked what rules they wanted to follow and that the Bible was inherently impossible to follow as wrote.
Yeah me too. Lol
Adam and Eve were not the first humanoids on earth. Remember Cain was like what about the others. There were other people
Read the Bible. he created human beings for fellowship. That's why he was walking in the garden: He walked with Adam and Eve and spent time with them, until they rebelled against Him. Personal fellowship with God is at the very heart of our purpose for being.
@@darkworld5026 YOUR PURPOSE. Not mine.
@@darkworld5026 Fellowship in ignorance though?
IMO the Eden story makes most sense if you assume it was the answer given to a child who was continually asking "Daddy, why do you have to go to work? Daddy, why is the ground hard? Daddy, why is mummy in pain? Daddy, why dont snakes have legs?"
Four results of "The Eviction"
Funny, it's never a child who asks those questions, just adults...like Adam and Eve.
😮that is just stupidity
@@alexturchick240children ask that frequently
@@raysalmon6566 if you're referring to "Daddy, why do you have to go to work?" and ,"...,why is mommy in pain?" then you are correct children ask that frequently primarily because they just want to spend time with their parents and not see their parents in pain.
But only the truly inquisitive children ask about the ground and the snakes, the rest don't. And even fewer children take the time to figure it out themselves, or just understand.
But most children don't.
You are a breath of fresh air. Animated and interesting. Asking many of the same questions I have asked myself. Going straight to the important questions, "It was a set-up from the beginning. WHY?"
German writer and philosopher Friedrich Schiller (1759-1805) argued, that this was the beginning of mankind. God planted the tree because he wanted them to eat in order to really be free. And later he pushed them out of the garden so that they really would get to know the whole world. Why create a whole world when they are only inside their private paradise? Though I don't know what Schiller thought about the misogyny in the story. Maybe he noticed like Kristi that Eve is really the strong one here. :)
You don't have to put a knife in a playpen to teach children about choosing toys to play with .... very eloquently said!
[EDIT: The comment you're reading is false doctrine, this is corrected in my replies to follow.]
God didn't create that tree, so definitely could not have placed it in the middle of the garden. In Genesis 2, all of the trees are written to have 2 characteristics. In Genesis 3, the one tree being offered to the woman by the serpent is written to have had 3 characteristics. That means that particular tree was not God's, so He did not put that there.
@@cfudgy2 I have heard this assertion before, but a plan and a happening cannot co-exist. One must be chosen...was it a plan that God set in place, or was it something that God let happen? Legitimate question I want you to consider. It can't be both.
@@cfudgy2 A plan is intentional, a happening is accidental or circumstance.
I must correct myself@@cfudgy2. When the Bible says God made everything, it is referring to origin. God created angels of light and life, the fallen angels used their free choice to reject these which only means they must become of darkness and death. If it were not for God giving them the option to accept or reject Him, they would not have been able to become something else.
Darkness is the absence of light, so light must exist first...darkness has no origin. Death is the absence of life, so life must exist first...death has no origin. So, they are not originators...just recreators. When the Bible says God created everything it includes those "recreators" in the sense of origin...it doesn't mean creation in the all-inclusive (literal) sense.
But I apologize,@@cfudgy2, my OP is a false teaching and a misspeak altogether. The tree in the middle of the garden is being recreated in the eyes of the woman by deceptive words from the serpent. It does have two characteristics, but the serpent has convinced her he has another characteristic to offer her (that God is "keeping from her"). That tree is from God just as all the others were, but the recreational view of it that led to a recreational use of its fruit...is not of God, but the serpent.
one day my mother, an evangelical lady, told me in our many discussions about the bible, god and religion that "to be a christian you need to follow everything blindly, without questioning" and that made a lot of sense. this is why i am no longer a believer because i refuse to live by rules that make no sense to me and the more i learn about christianity the more i find it so controversial.
this video is a gem! i'm glad that youtube recommended it to me! long live your channel 🙌🏻
Did your mother ever consider how easy it would be for the devil to impersonate God if she never asked questions? Shouldn't God want her to ask away because he has nothing to hide?
Well that was simply your choice from hearing something your mother shouldn't have really said, I honestly don't know why she told you to just blindly follow it, I choose to look deeper and find proof in the religion
Your mother was and is right. My mom was the same, and I thank God for it. Do not let the society change your feelings and views about your true Father.
@@addictedtonotsmoking2893 what if she asked and asked and asked and then god answered. Not all is black and white
@@Wallmart5 faith and Jesus Christ are the proof
God: This fruit is forbidden!
Adam: What does "forbidden" mean?
God: You'll find out when you eat the forbidden fruit.
😂😂
What's really funny is that since it's a completely fictional story couldn't they have at least made it so that it doesn't make God look bad LOL so their own BS didn't even accomplish making their God look good. Otherwise the way she breaks it down is almost as if she believes that it all really happened but she's just disagreeing with the way God orchestrated and handled it
Men didn't fail
Women failed God man didn't fail God women failed so the serpent knew who to attack
@@adynathaly3145 "Women?" Plural? How many were there at the time? You can't blame multiple women for the sin of one woman.
Genesis as a horror movie is an incredible idea. I can see it working as a short film for sure
I would love to see this as a film. I’d even read the book. Either way, it could be horror, comedy, or satire.
@@THX-Cor all of the above
You hit all the points that I’ve questioned since I was young. It’s like a game: the game designer set up the rules so that the players would fail. And then blamed the players for failing. Excellent assessment on your part!
Impossible level lol.
It sounds like you've never studied the story before, just like Kristi hasn't. It didn't happen like that at all. It was not a setup, and she is nowhere close to the truth.
When the Bible says God made everything, it is referring to origin. Darkness is the absence of light, so light must exist first...darkness has no origin. Death is the absence of life, so life must exist first...death has no origin. God created angels of light and life, the fallen angels used their free choice to reject these which only means they must become of darkness and death. If it were not for God giving them the option to accept or reject Him, they would not have even been able to become something else. So, they are not originators...just recreators. When the Bible says God created everything it includes those "recreators" in the sense of origin, not literal formation.
The tree in the middle of the garden is being recreated in the eyes of the woman by deceptive words from the serpent. It has two characteristics, but the serpent has convinced her he has another characteristic to offer her (that God is "keeping secret from her"). That tree is from God just as all the others were, but the recreational view of it that led to the recreational use of its fruit...is not of God, but the serpent. Proof is provided for you below.
Genesis 2
9 The Lord God made all kinds of trees grow out of the ground-trees that WERE [1] pleasing to the eye and [2] good for food.
Genesis 3
6 When the woman SAW that the fruit of the tree was [1] good for food and [2] pleasing to the eye, and also [3] desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it.
@@TallGlass-fh8qf who cares dork. Prove your beliefs
Not a set up. Adam and Eve were given choices. They effed up. Would you love to live in a world with no choices? You'd want to shoot yourself at some point in that scenario.
I remember being a kid and learning about Adam and Eve and asking my mom “But I didn’t do anything wrong.. why do I have to have labor pains??” I wasn’t buying it even then 😂
You would've done the same had you been in Eden. We all would. That's why it's fair to us. God gave them perfect conditions and only one rule to follow but they still sinned against Him. It was very serious and they were not children. God sent us a redeemer. Satan sought to kill two Innocents. God didn't send him a redeemer.
@@timothybuckley7317We all would've done the same, because it was not a free choice. It was determined.
@@timothybuckley7317 Well first of all, the story of Adam and Eve is just that: fiction.
But if you want to take this literally, you should be clear that you are trapped in a structure of thought that is very difficult to break out of and that can negatively influence your whole life.
Except they didn't know it was perfect. They hardly knew anything.
They did not... know... good, from evil... or stakes to other lives.
If they did - you prove it, son. Or maybe go ask them?
Call up, the Witch of Endor - if you must.
I am not convinced, that 99.9999 percent of us, would, if they had both obeyed... even EXIST, in fact.
If nobody ever dies, and a few more get born, for a while... then how many humans, do you need, to actually SUBDUE and till the Earth? Surely, a lot less, than the dozens of billions born to this point?
And there was no 'us'. We might have made the same choice... but only based on how we were designed.
Like, one third of every 'happy' angel, in heaven... was designed?
Clearly, several feathers, short of a wing... or carets, short of a halo?
At very least, in Satan's case.
Also, Eve, did not... die... in 'the day'. Genesis 3:22, admits it. Openly.
And Satan could keep powers... and roam about. And come up, to talk silly points, about Job.
And can be released AGAIN, post Tribulation... and after, a 1000 year Kingdom, too?
Also, I assume, the Holy Spirit... did not Like, the comment you posted...
So presumably, you did...? Just a hunch.@@timothybuckley7317
When I was a kid my mother used to tell me that it was a stork, crane, a flamingo type of bird that bring babies, end of the story.
Growing up I was always taught that Samson was some sort of biblical hero. Then I happened to watch a Darkmatter2525 video telling the story showing Samson to be a jerk. I remember thinking no way, that can't be true. So I went to the source and sure enough Samson was a lying cheating murdering jackass. Not at all like he was portrayed in Sunday school.
Thank the nonexistent god for DM2525
Huh. I'd actually learned what he was like from Sunday school and was pretty surprised to learn he apparently was written as someone who'll be saved in the long run, considering he was, to quote my father, "a He-Man Womanizer" (not said as a compliment).
Non Stamp Collector. He has great cartoons
The account of Samson was about a judge who was meant to punish the Philistines for oppressing Israel. They bullied Israel. Samson trusted in his strength but every time that he established friendships with the Philistines , they betrayed him again and again. But every time that he got even with them , they devised plans to harm him. His eyes lusted after the ungodly woman Delilah. The moral of this account was that God used Sampson to punish the Philistines for oppressing Israel , but used the weakness of a woman to take away his strength. His eyes that caused him to sin were put out , but in the end he repented before bringing down more Philistines in his death than ever before.
Oh yes, when I saw that Samson cartoon in Darkmatter, my mind blew😅how shameful was believing this book stories! Just this Samson cartoon could be enough to wake up😂
You are absolutely right KB. I remember as a child having so many questions here - especially, asking why "having the knowledge of good and evil" was a BAD thing; a state to BE AVOIDED. I was shushed. For years. Until I was old enough not to be so easily intimidated.
Blind and obedient is the main takeaway from the Adam and Eve story. I'm glad you created a RUclips channel with longer content
Yeah, JT - for a conservative Christian fundamentalist / evangelical, the main thing was that Adam and Eve disobeyed God, and that was the core or essence of their sin. But conservatives in general are really into the whole obedience thing, and look to external authority figures or institutions, like the church, to structure their lives and tell them what they can and can't do. Those of a more liberal persuasion are more open minded, and more inclined to follow their own inner principles and convictions.
@@naiman4535 so you’re answer to that is “do as thou wilt”? Perhaps u could be more ignorant, but I doubt it.
AWF, you have just shown me through your written reply that you could not be more ignorant, even of the basics or fundamentals of English spelling and grammar. it's YOUR answer - your is the possessive pronoun, with you're being a contraction of you are! I'm sick and tired of people who are only semiliterate, and who really need to go back to school to learn their abcs trying to write a coherent, legible response to anything. Looking at your reply again, it fails to make any logical sense either, as I do not see exactly what you are accusing me of being ignorant of - you fail to adequately communicate that in your reply. All I can figure out is that you see yourself as a woman freed, and that you have somehow - I can't understand exactly how - demonized me as the patriarchal enemy, which I am not. I accept that the Adam and Eve story can be viewed and interpreted from a feminist perspective, and that is valid as far as it goes, but that there is a deeper significance to why it was a woman who got the karmic ball rolling. Interestingly enough, it was also a woman in the myth of Pandora's Box, which is the classical Greek myth about how sin and evil came into the world - and there is a case to be made that the classical Greek culture was much less patriarchal, and more gender balanced, than the Judaic. I'm afraid that it is you, AWF, who is the ignorant one, who has failed to grasp the finer subtleties inherent in my original comment. You remain stuck in the dualism of good versus evil, us versus them, matriarchy versus patriarchy, and are blind to anything that transcends it. And by the way, I think that there is a widespread misunderstanding of exactly what karma is, that it is the Hindu equivalent of sin or evil,, which it is not. There can be good karma as well as bad karma. Karma is related to the English word, "create" - in other words, that your actions and choices are creating inevitable effects or consequences - it's the basis for all notions of personal responsibility in life. It fell upon Adam and Eve, as the first humans, to get the whole cause and effect sequence of events in human life and history rolling. This ain't god or bad - it just is what it is.
@@naiman4535I would argue that a knowledge of good and evil isn't what saves us from mortality but Gods' union with us through spirit. There is nothing wrong with the tree of knowledge of good and evil, other than to eat from it thinking that it is a ticket out of mortality is delusional, a guarantee of death (the consequence of being mortal). Our hope of transcending mortality has to lie in God Himself, the tree of life. That God Himself will finish His creation. The lie the serpent told was, "you won't die", i.e., you are not really mortal, you already have life inherent in you. God is one, and we either trust our part in that oneness or we don't. It is God's union with us that makes us like God, not our knowledge of good and evil. Our knowledge of good and evil comes through, God in us, our hope of glory, not the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Me and the tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil is a road to nowhere.
@@wilfredmancy Why do you believe that crap?
Great video! My husband and I were just discussing this a few weeks ago, and our exact words were “they were set up for failure and then punished for failing!”
That's all of Christianity in a nutshell.
We must be careful about that concept because it is quite false and a bad mishmash of different elements. While we see it as a certainty looking back and God knew what they would do with foreknowledge, etc. He didn't cause them to disobey them and we can rightly expect them to take full responsibility for what they decided to do.
@@hj925 It's a good thing that human made Gods and religions aren't real and that people can wake up out their indoctrination. You likely don't worry about disobeying any other God's from other religions, that is a big clue.
@@annemurphy8074 You need to say that if you are the complete unbeliever you sound like, but while that is often true, it's a very foolish stand when there is evidence that demands a verdict. Saying that, it's your choice and guilt is a dangerous thing to base Christian faith on in any case - awareness of sin and separation from God should not be expressed in the kind of guilt that you are talking about because true Christianity should neutralise your likely sort of guilt. But one piece of advice in relation to Burke. If you were told the same as her then you were misinformed about some important truths. More importantly, she really still has little idea of the subject. For example, her interpretation post-flood of God "apologising" is deluded or genuinely ignorant. Not someone to take any notice of either way
@@hj925 There is zero evidence for Gods of any of the thousands of religions in the world. I'm not a "believer". I do my best go go with facts and try my best to think critically. I pretty much realized it was all fake when I was a kid when I would get in trouble for asking questions at church. It took much longer to really deconstruct what others had tried so hard to plant in my mind. You're not there yet but if you ever deconstruct, as so many have and the way Kristi has, then there can be a meaningful dialogue. She is doing wonderful work along with so many others helping people come out of their indoctrination and gain real freedom from the chains that were installed on their minds. So many people have been enslaved by so many various religions and cults. Religion isn't bad on it's own, it's just stories, it's the way it is used to control and abuse people that is despicable.
Since i started watching you, ive never been so inspired by someone, people are fighting so hard to ignore the reality and buy bullshit
You are right...and it is true about both Chrstianity and Donald Trump. If your intelligence won't suffice...USE YOUR LOGIC AND COMMON SENSE! And your lack of either one does not make fairy tales the only other option.
Glad I found your channel. Good to see someone who’s not terrified to question things.
I came to the realization that the whole story about Adam and Eve was just a way for the patriarchy to justify why they thought women are lesser, after I took women’s history It all just made sense to me. Thank you because you’ve put my thoughts into words.
I don't see how a man and a woman being setup justified the amount of suffering men go through in war etc. I think if you think men rule the world you are mistaken.
Yes. Cuz they always say eve eve, i was sadly one once too. But when i read it finally is when i learned. Adam butt was told first but he did it anyway. Then blamed eve n god gave her worst punishment. I learned bible is crap n the whole god n belief
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@@mountblanc39 okay? And I wouldn’t know that there’s no me. So why should I care?
@@Faeriecorener sorry madame i put my comment in wrong place 😂
Congratulations! You had to come a long way. And consider this: there is an older story about the Garden. In Sumeria, the Goddess reigned, Queen of Heaven, Mother of All. There is a depiction of her sitting by the Tree of Life, with her sacred companion the snake, symbol of renewal because it shed its skin, and possessor of ancient wisdom and secrets because it could hear with no ears and smell with no nose. (The much smaller figure of the man is tending the garden.) The Canaanites still believed in her, many of the Israelites had joined in, so the author of the story of Adam and Eve (whose name in Hebrew, I’m told, means Mother of All, how about that) was intent on stamping out this worship and all it implied, so in his story trees are forbidden, snakes are flattened, and women are subjugated. End of story.
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If I remember correctly, there is actually this other tree, the tree of life ALSO in the garden and also forbidden. (Edit: not forbidden, but god throws them out before they could eat from it and live eternally - so on top, Adam and Eve were never immortal after all if I read this correctly, because they did not eat from the tree of life.)
This sumerian version is way batter than the one from the buy-bull(shit).
The bible says that eve was called eve because "she was the mother of all living". Her name "chavva" is similar to "chaya", meaning "living". So, it is "living", not "mother", that her name is supposedly related to.
Wow, Sumerian mythology is nice. I like that thing with the snake.
My late wife used to say that getting 'saved' was like winning a new dream car but not getting the keys until you died.
I take it she had no keys waiting for her then...
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yeah and it's up to god to arbitrarily give some humans good experiences here on earth and others bad
Yeah, and then you find out the tank is empty and there is no road to drive on anyway.
My mother always told me I could drive her car
when I got a driver's permit or a drivers license.
I was 10 when I started asking her if I could drive her car.
Among her other answers she gave me I thought she didn't love me every time she said No.
That didn't sound like a loving mother who's supposed to love her child, telling me no.
But as I grew up I understood more of what she was telling me.
Glad I found u Kristi, just subscribed. U make allot of sense like me. People might think I worry everything is conspiracy. But I question everything. When things don't add up makes me doubt everything I was told.
Simple question, if Adam and Eve had no knowledge of good and evil, how did God expect them to obey? How were they supposed to understand that eating the fruit was wrong?
you can teach a dog to obey, but a dog has no knowledge of good and evil. This knowledge is far beyond morality and is more like the ability to consciously create and destroy, like how humans made an atomic bomb. That's quite the godlike power, to make that bomb. Dogs cannot do that. But some dogs are super obedient simply because they love their owners.
@@theTavis01 So how did God train Adam & Eve to obey? Well, whatever he did, didn´t work! Isn´t He supposed to be all mighty?
@@JoaquimRaminhos "And the Lord God commanded the man, 'You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat from it you will certainly die.'" Sounds pretty clear to me. Scientifically speaking, it was a psychedelic plant that humans ate. There's no turning back evolution to a time before humans wore clothes and made rituals from psychedelics. We are stuck with this whether you like it or not. What the Bible presents is a solution. Reject the Bible and you are rejecting the solution, but are still stuck with the problem.
@@JoaquimRaminhos Then AFTER THAT god decides he needs to start over, but not from scratch. Everything is evil so he needs to kill everything with a flood. We will have a boat built and save a few of these rebellious little creeps. Just starting from scratch would be easier and more complete.
Ummm...hmmmm....
Mysterious Ways!!!
Was the serpent evil? Because we’re often told evil came into the world at the time of the fall. But if the serpent was evil then evil existed in this “perfect world” before the fall
Yep also What was an evil deceiver talking serpent even doing in a perfect place LOL
Yeah God created the devil and the fallen angels. So "evil" was created by God.
@@miltondavison-hc4ue yup fallen angels were created and develop the idea of pride so first it was necessary for them to have the capacity of feel pride, ie emotions and feeling are located in brain areas, brain damage or low development can interfere with abilities of feel certain emotions, so how angels came alone with the idea of pride, because god created them with that capacity but he got mad when they show it
@@miltondavison-hc4uewell technically genesis never said it was lucifer
@@serendipia7177 exactly. Izn't gawd actually da real evil one
Someone needs to make a horror movie based on all this.
There would be so many angry Christians!
ASAP , this new generation is not as dumb anymore , it's definitely needed !
@@chrissyscholl816So what? Is there anything they're not angry about?
@@alejandroruiz2253No they're just as dumb, just in different ways.
The Mandela Catalogue here on RUclips by Alex Kister actually seems to be drawing some inspiration from this.
Thank you for an alternate interpretation that makes sense. Stay safe, keep sharing. ❤
When i was about 19 my Christian girlfriend took me to a bible study where the pastor was preaching the story of adam and eve. My take was exactly the same as yours and we got in a pretty heated debate. I wasn't invited back to bible study.
Another thing that's funny is that it's completely a fictional story so if we can break it down and it makes God look bad that's pretty sad because they could have just made up their fictional story to make God look good LMAO otherwise we're on here breaking it down as if we believe it really happened but we just disagree with the way God handled it
So a fundamentalist Christian met an immature Atheist, what could possibly go wrong?🤣
@@Michael-Archonaeus a butthurt christian got hold of a keyboard and a youtube account.....
No doubt!! 😅
This was always the question that I asked my former pastor & I was told that I can’t ask that question 😂
Yes! Happened to me too. It was a different question, but I asked it really looking forward to understand God’s point of view, not mine. I was told that my question is interesting and needed to be studied more from a theological perspective, but never received an answer. Ah, but when I “sinned” the same person that never gave me an answer repented me and said many Bible verses to show me how wrong I was. 🙃
@@luisaalmontevega2016 mine just walked away after he said that. I would have respected him if he had just said "I honestly don't know", but because I challenged him, he caught a hissy fit instead. Jerk!
I was told I didn't have enough faith that if I believed better that I would have the answers I needed not the ones I wanted
Same here l feel like God has no problem with us asking why
that's what happens when you go to a church that has made an idol of the bible.
What I can say is that after 54 years of being manipulated and lied to by establishment religious institutions, I can really appreciate it when people are able to clearly articulate the erhical and logical problems with the Bible. Thank you Kristi, for your courage and intellect in making these vedios. Whoever God is, if He exist, the Bible is absolutely not His infallibil word.
Well the very first passage in genesis says that God created the heavens and the earth ?
@@noneofyourbusinessna740 And? We have many creation myths.
@@robby7499 well one of them is fact not a myth?
I think you're taking it all way too seriously.....people just go to church for the community.
Youre just latching on to the few nut jobs on the other end of your spectrum. IMO you all are as crazy as a bunch of Baptists.
@@noneofyourbusinessna740Why don't you demonstrate that then, instead of just asserting it?
I talked to my mom about this exact thing. Like if your grandson did something wrong, would you punish him, his kids, their kids, their kids, and so on for all time?
HOW DID THIS EVER MAKE SENSE?
Right? Why punish a child for the crimes of their father?
Specially when said crime ISN'T EVEN AN ACTUAL CRIME TO BEGIN WITH, they just ate a fucking fruit!
Sin is in the blood and it transfers always and cannot stop until all is dead. It is like plague that spreads and kills all and one person is enough to have it and transfer to all humanity just like Adam and Eve did and as it is written we shall surely die
I agree. This is brilliant. I hope this beautiful young lady is a teacher and an advocate for freedom from tyranny and suppression. The skill to communicate so efficiently may save our United States from the downward spiral toward a fascist society. I love people like this who use their beautiful mind to view the world with clarity and coherence.
Its written in John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son”. God wants to save you not condemn you but are u willingly to accept that.
@@trooperslayer5910 “it is written…”
Thank you for your lovely comment. I agree with every word.
Thank you for your lovely comment. I agree with every word.
Kristi is where she needs to be...doing what she needs to be doing. But that doesn't mean there are not others in place doing what they Also are cAlled and prepared to do. Keep listening...keep thinking...and keep waking up! You will get there!
Amen!! Such a refreshing look at the story we believed so blindly.. it’s frustrating that I even believed and never reasoned it out rationally for 15 years.. but glad we are seeing the trickery now. That’s true freedom! Thank you again!
The sad part is most will remain in this bondage till they die.
I fyou live in time under the elements you are a slave, you cannot be free... fallacy of preconception
One thing that always amazes me is that nothing happened when Eve ate the forbidden fruit. I honestly think that the story of that situation when he ate the fruit and both realized that they were naked is a metaphor of Adam feeling ashamed for knowing the truth and not liking his human nature and instinct. Pretty much how religious people are. And what’s funny is that most of them, one way or another, commit the most sins. I witnessed that in my church. Adultery was the most I saw.
You never have to take accountability for anything if you can just repent later
Is it not obvious that most Christians aren’t true Christians? This is the epitome of modern ignorance in terms of people who don’t dare to learn past basic ideas, principles and religious fundamentals.
Being Christian does nothing for you if you don’t actually care and change your life. Most Christians will claim their Christian due to their family claiming Christian lol. Being Christian means you (singular) have a personal relationship with God, your family being Christian does not save you. Being an actual Christian does but you won’t see many actual Christians in the modern would full of sin and instant gratification at your finger tips.
And on average Christians are very ignorant in terms of what they believe. Because most don’t study nor understand theology, Psychology and how to interpret or read the Bible correctly nor do they understand the complete history and timeline of the beginning of the Bible to the end.
So yay does it not make sense that most Christians aren’t actually Christian? Because if you write down what a Christian actually looks like It’s extremely hard to be a true Christian, Jesus was the only human to ever be a true Christian. But that isn’t an excuse to not fight against sin daily and to not fight against evil. It’s that intrinsic battle and trusting God that is honorable.
Those who do wrong and repent over and over will not be saved. They are just so ignorant they don’t understand that concept.
Those who are truly saved and actually understand their religion will sacrifice and fight against sin their whole life’s. Because they actually are serious about the claim of being Christian. That’s the difference on average most Christians are not serious just like every other religion. It’s due to human nature we are very objective based and tend to only care about the now. And how do you expect a kid to have any clue about what they actually believe? In order to figure out if you actually believe in Christianity or not just comes down to how much you have actually studied and learned, which means you’ll need to study bias and non bias people and books. Otherwise you don’t understand it enough to make such a big decision. For those who are capable it’s our duty to come to a conclusion about what we believe religiously which means you listen to debates and you read the texts and Books etc
What I find funny is that on average the majority of people who are dying and or sick seek God during those Tims. Yet They don’t seek God fully when they are living the life they want. And that’s the majority of human beings that do that. But you’ll find through hardship you grow closest to God and there’s a reason for that but it would be to long to explain it here.
@@undrwatropium3724That’s not how Christianity works it’s very clear on that. But modern people like to think they can Repent and be forgiven over and over and that’s due to false modern teachings. Most people don’t actually read or study the Bible, if they did they would understand it doesn’t work like that.
How many people do you think actually actively fight against their sins and truly try daily to not sin? The right answer is Very little actually try mostly because it’s extremely hard but also because most modern people on average don’t care enough. We live in a world of instant gratification and a time where misinformation is the majority of information people hear. To know truth you must understand the prerequisite for truth itself which is as far as we know the Bible. It’s is the original author of moral morality making God the true moral authority, so without that we wouldn’t understand morality anyway lol and psychology and theology completely agree on that.
But simply put If your heart is of pure intentions and you are trying not to sin yet you still fall short and sin well God is the most gracious and God knows what is truly in your heart so you can be forgiven.
But if your a false Christian and you actively seek out sin and don’t fight against it. well I’d say good luck trying to be forgiven for living a life of sin while being actively aware of your sins. It’s hypocrisy especially if you go around claiming your Christian all day that’s a sin that is going to be very hard to gain forgiveness for that’s very clear.
To sum it up Claiming your Christian is nothing special
Being Christian is something else.
And you can objectively see the difference pretty clearly in those who are truly Christian and those who only claim the title of Christian.
Adultery is what Eve did...why do you think it says "their eyes were opened and they realized they were naked"? And then her punishment is "pains in childbearing"? She's pregnant with Cain......
Gotta love how Adam blamed it all on Eve and took no responsibility for his part.
I really think this story was about accountability
I love the Adam and Eve story. You can really pick it apart in so many ways that reveals the silliness of it. One way, that I've never heard anyone consider is time. How long were they in the garden before this event happened?
Now at first it might seem irrelevant or meaningless to ask that question, but if you really consider it, there is more silliness that arises. It's actually a very important question to ask because it can change a lot on how the story is viewed.
Great point. Like your in the presence of an all powerful GOD for days? Weeks? Months? And you do the one thing he tells you not to do 😭 Also god created the serpent and knew it would tempt his creation thus dooming the billions that comes after them.
@@AnonymousCommenter. Yep exactly. Imagine they were in the garden for a few thousand years before the partaking of the tree of knowledge occurred.
I think one reason time is never brought up is because it changes the feeling of the story. If it had said they were there for hundreds of years and then this event happened, many questions start to pop up in your head.
It also comes down to the "child" will break a rule eventually given enough time.
They fell the same day. That is why 6 is number of men. They never entered into God rest which is seventh day of Creation because of their disobbidience
It is only silly to silly people.
@@Michael-Archonaeus people that know how to think critically
I'm 100% serious when I say I had the same idea! A caring parent won't put a knife in the playpen of toys and say choose wisely or surely die. It's so bizarre. It's so interesting to hear you speak because i totally understand! What's your tiktok?
Calvinism was the last place I left when I left Christianity. Totally understand you!
Yes n christian would bash the parents too. Like when leave a gun unlocked n not on safety. They call out the parent for being un responsible and for even having something dangerous there. Like gear your self case closed
i once left a box of doughnuts on a table in a room with young children,i told the kids" now dont eat those doughnuts!" later the babysitter arrived and told the kids "sure you can have a doughnut!"its easy to guess what happened to that box of doughnuts....
When I heard the question "Why did God put the tree in Adam's garden", a thought came to my mind.
What if the garden was never for Adam? What if it was God's garden, belonging to him and designed for him, while Adam was no more than an additional pet, a puppet, an alive piece of furniture for God to look at?
God doesn't want his pet to know good and evil - he wants it to be thoughtless and ignorant, doing silly things for God's amusement. He creates Adam first, so this intent of his is reflected in Adam exactly how God wants. However, after some time God understands: pet is alone - pet is bored - pet isn't doing as much silly things as it could've been; and here's when he makes Adam a companion, Eve. But Eve isn't made only by God himself - Adam's rib is also involved in her making, somehow lessening the influence of God's intent to see his pets thoughtless. Thus, Eve gains intuition and curiosity; and while Adam is out there rolling on his back or doing whatever he can for God's amusement, Eve goes exploring the garden and finds the tree. Adam, still being completely thoughtless, comes after her and just stays there while she talks to the serpent. The serpent's intent is hard to define - maybe it wants humans to become something better than just another kind of pets in God's garden, maybe it even hopes for them to overthrow God one day, or maybe it just wants pets to get smarter and more interesting to watch. However, it does tell them the truth about the tree - unlike God, who plays on their primal fear of death to keep pets away from the table, I mean tree (because, again, he wants pets to stay silly) - and Eve, having acknowledged the usefulness of it, takes a bite and offers Adam to do the same. Adam, being as thoughtless as God wanted him to be, takes a bite too. They understand good and evil, and also understand that now they aren't silly anymore. Some time later God walks through his garden, calling his pets in a "kitty-kitty" manner, and when they finally show up and turn out to be too smart to amuse him, he gets angry, throws a tantrum and curses everyone. Eve gets the hardest punishment because she's the most independent, and angry God wants to break her spirit; Adam is put above her for the same reason (maybe God did fear a possibility of being overthrown, huh?), and the serpent is most likely deprived not only of his legs, but also of his intelligence, becoming a new silly belly-crawling pet for God, like Adam once was. And at the end God sends Adam and Eve down to Earth, where he from now on can see - and stage - the most emotional and intricated spectacles he could ever imagine. With all the evil and all the suffering. Again, for his selfish amusement...
This is imaginative, but it presumes that God is as petty and malevolent as most of the tyrants who have ruled this world. The challenge is not in creating a docile and obedient pet. It is in parenting a child until it becomes a spiritual adult. As humans we have been given opportunities to participate in that process and learn what it means be good examples to our offspring. Not the same as being God, but close in principle, as can be evidenced by Jesus calling God by the name "abba" or spiritual "Father." I'd consider any entity who interferes with the best efforts of loving parents to be a true villain. Wouldn't you?
Another thing, why did God allow or create a serpent to have a voice like a human, it sounds ludacris, imagine all animals or creatures having a voice 😅, Lucifer transformed into a snake
Adam's garden?
eh, seems kinda speculative and agenda based. if we still assume god is all powerful and everything why not just take back the knowledge they gained from eating the fruit? why not just put them on chains or something, try to discipline them like how you do with pets cuz they don't always follow you. what's the point of putting one above the other if you're just gonna banish both of them from the garden anyway? i mean i'm all for desconstructing and thinking about this story but this ain't it chief
@@xaevius5319 You are right and the problem is the agenda. Most people are quick to point the finger of blame at anyone others than themselves. God cannot offer free will and still keep control of the outcome. People ASSUME that God is in full control and fail to realize that they are each captains of his/her own ship. Instead of seeing that Adam and Eve were deceived into making bad choices, they prefer to blame God for setting up mankind. Do they fail to see that things were going pretty well until the serpent slithered out of the grass? Perhaps the word "punish" raises an immediate red flag in the minds of the Sheeple who are too ignorant to appreciate the gifts that God gave them.
You explain this so well and is an example of exactly what started me to question my indoctrination… and ultimately leave religion and no longer believe. It reads like a failed experiment and the test subjects were punished for the experimenter’s failure.
I've always found telling people who don't understand the difference between good and evil not to do something super weird. How would they know that disobedience was a "bad" thing if they needed to eat the tree to know the difference between good and evil.
They did know that they should not eat of this tree and that it would be bad because they would die if they did. So they did this knowing that is was against what God told them and they decided to listen to the serpent instead of God.
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says a presumabIy "gr0wn aduIt "
d0 y0u teII chiIdren snakes can taIk ?
@@wesleywillis5933 but this contradicts itself then because they had at least SOME knowledge of good and evil because they not only knew disobedience to God was bad but also knew death was bad, something I don't know to this day, to me, death is neutral.
What was the purpose of the tree if they already knew what was good and bad for them?
@@bluester7177 God did not set up Adam and Eve sis. The reason God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden, forbade them to not eat the fruit of it and let the serpent tempt them, it’s because God wants Adam and Eve to love him by their obedience, actions and choices. If God gave us free will and didn’t give us choices, wouldn’t that make him an unfair God?
It is not about intellect, that's why@@bluester7177. Most people dont actually understand the story as well as they think they do. It wasn't a tree, it's just a title. I can explain if you want.
I think one of the best books I ever read was "The Diaries of Adam and Eve" by Mark Twain. It is funny, insightful, and sad all at the same time. The ending brought me to tears. It's only around 40 pages, and well worth the read.
ooh, not heard of this book before, i love Mark Twain.
@@bonnie43uk The copy that I have, is part of a compilation titled "Letters from the Earth". I'm not sure if the diaries are available separately. Twain himself never published any of that book, as it would likely have landed him in legal hot water, at the time. It's a great book, that I highly recommend.
@@darylp8564 I'm listening to the audiobook on RUclips atm, very good, thanks 🙂
Tom Sawyer, Mark Twain?
@@joshuaokoro-sokoh2993 Yes...the same one. He wrote quite a bit of what could only have been very controversial pieces, at that period in time.
I’ve been triggered by scripture (and the reading of) for many years. You are helping me be able to hear all of those words again, but with a healed ❤️. Best perspective change if my lifetime!! Thank you so very much for that!! 🥰🥰🥰
🥰 so happy my videos can reach you. Thanks for your support!
You will never understand the Genesis story of Adam and Eve without Divine guidance, which I've been given. (I'm the prophesied return of the biblical prophet Elijah.) For example, "the tree of knowledge of good and evil" - the tree of knowledge of Go(o)d and (d)evil - does not supply knowledge at all. For, when you believe that GOD (good) has competition, when you believe that there is a power other than GOD, its because you have LOST all knowledge! The tree of knowledge of good and evil is the tree of IRRATIONAL knowledge: IGNORANCE. We all partook of this irrational idea, which is why we are experiencng this world of LIMITATION. But the "GOOD NEWS" is that this is only temporary, and "GOD our Savior...will have all men (and women) to be saved and come unto knowledge of the truth." (1Timothy 2:3-4) Yes, when GOD says "good news," GOD means GOOD NEWS! All mysteries have been revealed. Click and ye shall find.
I'm currently deconstructing Christianity and just found your channel today. Loving the content! This was the first big doubt I had that eventually led me to begin deconstructing. Couldn't have said any of this better myself!
Love that I randomly found this channel after I started doing my unpacking, literally last night I was writing and this is the exact thing I was saying, that he is the the first tempter, he put the tree there and made it tempting, he made it appealing to us and allowed this to take place, he allowed the serpent to talk to eve, he allowed them to eat the fruit and then comes out guns blazing throwing curses at the creation that he loves so much. We never introduced sin into the world, he’s the creator of everything, including sin, satan wasn’t the first sinner, it had to exist for him to do it, but somehow they’ve manage to twist this blame game and take the blame from the one who made everything the way it is. It’s not a gift if you’re the one who gave me the problem
That's not "love"... that's abuse..
I'm 13 now, I grew up strictly catholic, I hated it. I'm 2 years into deconstruction and you have helped me understand so much more about the church, I love your channel
look up Genesis 28 about the stone of Jacob. then look up Gen 49.10. then look at the coronation chair of King Charles and you will see that same stone under the chair. then look up the heraldry signs of the 13 tribes and you will see Charles is from Judah house of David. so the most wicked people rule the world
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Kristi has decided that God's test of Adam and Eve was God's fault because he knew in advance that they would both eat of the forbidden fruit. God created Adam and Eve in his own image , then placed them in a garden. They had a sinless nature , but Adam chose to sin against the commandment to not eat the forbidden fruit. They were both sinless but had to resist sin to keep what they had , and come into maturity and holiness. Once their eyes were opened , they were once again offered to choose between good and evil and life or death. The perils of life served to remind them that not ever knowing anything but the good was God's first choice for them..
@@brianjones2384 he set to naked idiots up to fail and has punished mankind for 6k years now! who needs love like that?
@@narcissistinjurygiver2932 God is not willing that any should perish but that all would come to repentance. Jesus was the second Adam who came from heaven. He lived a sinless life and shed his blood on the cross to pay for our sins in full and redeem us from eternal torment and offer is eternal life.
Keep these videos coming Kristi. There are so many of us with similar stories as yours and your voice gives us courage. Thank you for doing this.
I remember being sent to church at under 10 years old. When I tried to understand over the next couple years, it seemed like bs to me as a child.
Smart kid!!! It took some of much longer to wake up and get smart! Good for you...seriously!
Something I have been thinking a lot about lately that Kristi mentioned briefly is that God supposedly knows everything, including what's going to happen in the future. Which means he knew before he even created Adam and Eve, that they were going to sin, and he was going to punish them. Which means it was his plan from the beginning. So why would they be punished for carrying out his plan? If he wanted things to turn out differently he could've designed the system differently. He knew how it would play out, and that makes it his responsibility. He also supposedly knew that he would send Jesus someday, so why didn't he sent him right away? Why did he first wait until Noah build the ark and everyone in the world was killed, including children and babies and grandmothers? God knows the future so he knew that Flood wouldn't work and that eventually he would send Jesus to save people from their sins. Then why did he wait thousands of years to do that? I think people see questions like this as attacking God which is a big no-no because he is supposedly perfect. The questions are about the validity of the stories. And pointing out the ways that they don't make sense. True believers are not allowed to question. But if you sit back and think about the stories, you start to see no they don't make literal sense, but they are set up to control the masses and gather followers who will obey blindly.
Another question I often ask these religious nut jobs is, if God is going to send back Jesus to fix everything, Why didn't he do it in 1985 or 1945 or 1543 or 1288 or 1097?...
Does he enjoy watching people suffer?
God is out of control!
That god is a fraud 🤥
No matter when Jesus was send it applied to all people who loved God by their obidinece in every era. Those are the dead who got ressurected immadietly after Jesus. As for other questions I will respond later
I remember as a child....reading educational books and watching videos that are also educational was considered "satanism" I immediately took the Holey Trypophiliac book and sent it straight to the garbage can. *THAT'S SATANISM*
There was one time before that I was in bible study and I mentioned Charles Darwin...the whole church went silent. True story
Brilliant job. Perfect analysis. You don't need to be a scholar to see the stupidity of this shit story. It's ruined so many lives. It needs to end now..
Also was the serpent satan? If so why was he in the garden of Eden? Could animals talk before the fall? If Adam and Eve were in the presence of god why weren’t they worshipping him (just like how Satan didn’t even though he was in the presence of god also). And why did god have to find them when they were hiding? I thought you can’t hide from god
It's nothing more than a very flawed book, why, man wrote it, not some god.
The serpent was Satan in disguise. It would have been after he was thrown out of heaven. He couldn't destroy God so the next best thing was to hurt people because people are made in God's image and he hates God. Knowing that people are in God's image, the devil deceived Eve by saying she would be like God if she ate from the one place they were told not to. The thing is, they were already like God, and God wanted to give them a choice to listen and they didn't. Eve knew they were told not to and even brought that fact up, but let herself be deceived anyway. The devil also lied to her and said eating it would not really kill her----so she did. Then she told Adam who also knew better and then God came along knowing where they were, knowing they were hiding because they did what they did and didn't want to be punished. He was testing them knowing how they'd react. They were supposed to listen but they didn't. Eve blamed the devil. Adam blamed Eve. Nobody took responsibility. They thought they could hide from God but of course you can't. After they were punished, God gave them animal skins for clothing. The innocent death of an animal, the animal skins, represented Jesus's future sacrifice for mankind for their sins. Animals were unfairly punished alongside humanity. They didn't deserve it. Jesus didn't either. Fortunately, the Bible does say animals do benefit from humanity's redemption and are also waiting for things to be made right by Christ again. That's an aside though. Back to your question. They were cast out at some point. Remember how I said the devil said they wouldn't die? The sad thing is he lied. They died spiritually that day and much later on, a physical death too. As far as animals talking, they cannot. In Numbers 22, when the evil man is driving his female donkey through the field and vineyard, an angel of death appears down the path that the man cannot see. However, the donkey can see it naturally and avoids it, seeing danger. The man doesn't understand and beats the donkey savagely. God speaks through the donkey regarding this savage abuse and the donkey is unaware. I imagine the man himself is terrified by his response but I can't be sure. Right after this his eyes are opened and he can see what the donkey could all along. Keep in mind the angel of death was probably scary to look at. So, no, I don't think animals could ever talk, but that chapter in Numbers does reveal they can see angels whenever they are present (dunno how often that is but I don't think we are meant to be nervous/uncomfortable about it).
As a quick note, keep in mind the angels now in heaven are the elect. Like Satan those left have some will of their own, but angels are not saved because they are much higher than us and more intelligent than us.
God was walking and couldn’t see them as this was the anthropomorphic J source Canaanite god - not the P source Babylonian god of Genesis 1 nor the omnipotent god that would develop in the Second Temple period. The snake was just a snake with the idea it was Satan not being introduced until around 90 CE in a line by John of Patmos in Revelation which is purely symbolic. There are instances of talking animals later in the Bible such as the story of Balaam’s donkey.
Also a talking Donkey (Balaam in Numbers), talking eagle in Revelation (warning of the wrath of God) and a talking lion that spoke to David. Seems animals talked on a regular basis back then
Yahwe was slacking off. He couldn't keep his automatons in check 😅😅
Hearing Adam and Eve as a kid soooo many times is one of the reasons I stopped going to church and identifying as Christian in the 5th grade. I couldn't shake the feeling Christianity as a religion didn't like girls. I even had the feeling that because of the story, everyone would feel like girls suck and are the reason everything is bad in the world. So why would I want to be in a religion that hates me and blames me for everything?
I recently looked at Adam and Eve from a fresh perspective just a few weeks ago and I was so mad when I realized God LIED about what the fruit did. Isn't lying a sin? So if anyone introduced sin into the garden, it was God, not us! I felt like I had been gaslighted my entire life. 😤 And the reason they ate the forbidden fruit was BECAUSE of the lie. God also ordered them to multiply and be vegan but never gave a reason for that. So had he just said not to eat it without giving a reason then they might not have.
But like you said, I thought it was so appropriate when I realized the snake never actually did anything wrong. All the snake did was tell the truth and was punished for it. Even better, the snake is described as basically more intelligent than other animals. So God punished someone for being HONEST and SMART. Yeah....that sounds like religion all right. 😩
The YT algorithm did something right and suggested your channel. Yay! I really like the way you articulate these religious issues. Ever since I started to think about bibical literalism I've thought that the story of Adam and Eve was a set-up job that served to maintain a patriarchy.. I mean ,A & E didn't know they sinned until AFTER they ate the fruit so basically god was punishing toddlers. I also hadn't thought of Adam being so weak. So the patriarchy wants us to know that smart women are not to be trusted. Good job and I'm now a subscriber with notifications turned on.
You can't even make it past creation. 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.
@@2fast2block The Adam and Eve story requires the supernatural but a supernatural creation doesn't validate the Adam and Eve story. The thought that an entity capable of creating the universe would then engineer the "fall of man" defies credulity.
@@malundy Adam sinned because he chose not to obey Gods commandment to not eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Giving him a choice to not eat from that tree and live was all on Adam , not God.
@@2fast2block spamming people won't get you the results you think it will, we aren't as daft as you hope.
@@brianjones2384 it's a stupid story, god ought to put fences around trees he doesn't want scrumped.
Your deconstruction is fascinating! You raise these issues as you actually go through the process resulting in a disarming and refreshing frankness - this is a precious thing, don't lose it.
She hates to think. 1LofT states that energy can't be created or destroyed, it can't happen naturally. One aspect of the 2LofT shows that the universe is winding down, usable energy is becoming less usable. Creation had to be done supernaturally at some point.
@@2fast2block If creation had to be done supernaturally the bible doesn't, and never could, describe it. When you look at the historicity of the bible you find it grew out of the polytheism that preceded it. That polytheism presumably is posited as the source of your universe.
@@paulreader1777 "If creation had to be done supernaturally" Meaning you're not convinced, meaning you're stuck, meaning you can't even follow science, so you put in a blah blah hoping that will make you look smart.
@@2fast2block On the contrary I am an evolutionary biologist with a minor in biophysics but I accept that neither the origin of life or the origin of the universe has been adequately explained. Positing a god of the gaps is as good an explanation as any other for now. I am merely pointing out that creation, as described in the Hebrew/Christian bible, has its origins in polytheism and is not a good explanation.
@@paulreader1777 stop it, the gap is between your ears. You REFUSE to follow science no matter how much you want to pretend you don't.
The same people that tell me that women are gullible are also the ones that tell me that women are deceitful. Such a contradiction!
And they are also the ones who blame women for "tempting" them. Projection, projection, projection. From weak little men who don't want to learn any responsibility or self-control.
It's refreshing to see somebody who has reached the same conclusions as I have. I have been feeling depressed and alone after realizing how absurd my life long Christian beliefs were and turning from them. I came to this realization on my own after reading 2 Peter 2:20-22 and feeling like I must be condemned after all, even though I was a believer, because of my sinful addictions. This started me down the path of taking an objective look at the idea of hell and Christianity and no longer turning a blind eye to the things that didn't make sense. I now see Christianity as a sweater and hell is the forbidden loose thread, which if tugged on will unravel the whole thing. I have realized for some time now that if the Bible were true, then God orchestrated the fall of man. Why create Lucifer? Why create this magical tree? Why put both of these into the garden with susceptible man, tip toe off, let things play out, and then come back and say, oh, what happened? I've also realized that the moment God created Lucifer, he did fully intend for us to fall. The moment he created hell, he did fully intend for us to go there. If you are all wise, all knowing, all powerful, and unlimited, then you don't make mistakes, everything you do has an expected and purposeful outcome. Why put flaws into your creation unless you fully intend for it to fail? Why would a loving father not take better care of his children? If you know of a danger that could hurt your children, wouldn't you do everything in your power to protect them from it? Maybe even remove the danger? Maybe give them a more thorough and detailed warning? Maybe keep an eye on them and stop them if they even came close to it? Would you put your child in a building, and give an arson access, and even provide the arson with gasoline and matches, then say, it's all good because now I'll invent burn cream; but my child has to jump out of the window and trust that I'll catch him and mend his burns if he does. If not, then he can just stay and burn in the fire. I also have to ask how Lucifer could possibly sin in heaven. Who tempted him? Did the tree used to be in heaven and did he eat from the tree first? Why would 1/3 of the angels follow him in rebellion instead of being deathly afraid of the wrath they would share with him for it? What were they rebelling about? Why would they find fault with God? Maybe it was a semi forced situation like Judas betraying Jesus and like Pharo having his heart hardened. Why does God even need angels? How could there be a war in heaven? Why would angels need to guard heaven? Is God weak? Is he not all powerful? Instead of trying to rehabilitate man, God feels like he made a mistake in creating them and decides to wipe out all but 1 man and his family in a world wide flood? So of all mankind, Noah was the only one to maintain faith in God? Really? God could only convince 1 single person and his family to keep believing in him? Then God felt bad for what he did and decided to make up for it by creating the rainbow to perpetually remind us that he pinky swore not to do it again? So the combination of light and water mist didn't have the prism effect until that moment? Aside from the Bible, I feel that outer space also calls things into question. If there's a god, then what was the point in creating the vast expansion of space with the countless galaxies, solar systems, black holes, stars, planets, asteroids, meteors, and recently discovered a possible super earth? So in all of that creation out there, we're on the only planet capable of sustaining life? There really aren't other life sustaining planets? We're the only planet God decided to pay any mind? Why doesn't the Bible cover more than a few Greek mythology constellations as far as space goes? With all the seeming chaos of asteroids and meteors flying around randomly smashing into the moon and planets, the oddness of earthly metals and gases also existing in outer space...it just seems like there's nothing but the laws of physics and magnetic fields at play controlling it all rather than an organized god. I sometimes wonder if there actually could be aliens out there and if they have anything to do with our existence. Who knows? I think discovering life outside of earth would make everyone's jaw drop, but religious people's jaws would fall the hardest. They'd have some 'splaining to do 😉.
It said commendable not condemned two different meanings 😂 but everything else you said was very reasonable and I am a non believer myself.
Best beakdown of Adam and Eve Ive ever heard! Especially the part about God walking around like in a horror movie😮
She clearly doesn't understand the bible. Remember Jesus was communing daily with them and they were also afraid so Jesus use this way to relate to them
This is the worst breakdown. It shows she literally has no idea what actually happened only three chapters into the Bible. If someone gets a book wrong before chapter four…you should not trust them as a reference.
God sounds like a perv. Just creating people to watch them in the nude doing whatever. And when they dress up, he gets mad and kicks them out. Sleezy. ;-)
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You nailed it. Why i no longer go to church. It gave me freedom to be who i wanna be and can work on hobbies i can enjoy.
Glad to have found your channel... I'm approximately 5 years into my deconstruction... Your efforts are helpful and much appreciated
I was raised Catholic and have no great knowledge of the Bible. I grew up in the 70s, and had a nun hit me over and over with a ruler, screaming at me that I was a “child of Satan” because 6 year old me made the sign of the cross with my left hand. Now in my 50s, I’m a Pagan and a Witch. I enjoy dissections of how messed up and toxic Christianity is. Helps me shed my trauma and pain.
This is so brilliant. As a recovering former Christian I am so grateful when someone can so eloquently explain and point out the flaws in these stories we've taken for granted. It seems like it doesn't take much more than looking at a slightly different angle to see how false and disgusting these messages we learned as kids and into adolescents were. Thank you for putting yourself out there, for opening up yourself to the horrible attacks from fundies in comments to help us all learn and recover more thoroughly and healthily. We appreciate you.
Isn't it so facinating how just shifting your perspective and reading the story from a different angle completely changes how you interpret it? I'm always amazed by how indoctrination can make these wild stories believable and palatable. Thank you for your kind words and support
@@jezebelvibes it’s like the weezer song! All you have to do to destroy the sweater is pill one thread ;)
@@jezebelvibesGod created Adam and Eve sinless in a garden that provided everything that they needed to live. Adam clearly disobeyed God's command , and when his eyes were opened , he then knew shame and guilt , and his nakedness made him self conscious. God knows the end from the beginning. Adams one sin was the cause of everyone else sinning , but God intended to offer redemption for those who would faithfully follow him in spite of having a sinful nature.
@@brianjones2384 so god can't create people to be good, but he's happy to chuck them on the fire.
it's a story, mythology, nonsense basically.
@@brianjones2384 here's one for you, why not just let the people who don't want to follow god have their own universe where they can live like we happy atheists do, and leave it at that, if god is merciful and great and he can do anything he please, why not just accept he can't make everyone like him and give us our own universe to live happily in? what's so vital about punishment and burning people alive? why does there have to be a hell?
it's because it is MYTHOLOGY. you nit.
The tree was like leaving a loaded weapon on a coffee table and telling your five year old kids not to touch it.
like kevlar, a fence might have been a though, but no, not god.
Till your old enough to use it.
@@gardener3017 "beguiled" in the Hebrew & Greek isn't talking about apples. The serpent beguiled Eve/ KJV Bible
@@gardener3017 I totally respect your beliefs & opinions. I'm here to tell you that Almighty God & His Word/Bible(if properly translated, 100 English language Bibles)are Reality.
@@lionheartmerrill1069 "I'm here to tell you that Almighty God & His Word/Bible are Reality." OK, that's your opinion.
"The weapon in the play-pin" is brilliant metaphor. A+
Kristi your insight is refreshing
May you be blessed by the universe we live in
I was having Bible study with this older woman and we were talking about this story because I was like “how is Jehovah walking through the garden?” She said it was figuratively. 😐
God can walk through a garden if He wants... What's the problem?
@@danielvargas9100If he is everywhere at the same time, and observes everything we do....why would He need to go anywhere...and call out, asking where they were?
@@darylp8564 Because God speaks to us on our level. For example, he asked Cain in Genesis 4:9 "Where is your brother Abel??" God knew exactly where Abel was, but He asked Cain regardless because that's how he makes sense of things to us... Cain talked to God right back after that question. Cain didn't say, "You're God you should know that already, lol. Come on, use a little logic.
@@danielvargas9100 Logic applied to biblical subjects, is like Kryptonite to Superman. Lol that one. You didn't answer my question, as to why a being who is everywhere has a need to travel. I'm expecting an apologist answer, if I get one at all.
@@darylp8564 You are on a youtube channel that is talking about biblical topics. What else would you expect me to do? Not use logic? Anyways, here's how it works. And remember, this is GOD we are speaking of. It's GOD....... Ok. In Genesis (in the beginning), God the Father is on His throne, while SIMULTANEOUSLY on earth as a Spirit, hovering over the waters (Genesis 1:2). So, it's not like he got off the throne to travel to earth. He is on the throne while SIMULTANEOUSLY on earth as a Spirit. It's tripped out, but its GOD remember? Another example. When Jesus (His Son) was on earth while getting baptized in water, his Father from the heavenly throne said "This is my Son who I am well pleased," and at that moment, the Holy Spirit came onto Him like a dove. ALL GOD. The Father NEVER left his throne, while His Son was on earth, while the Spirit descended into Jesus. This is complex. This is GOD. Trying to understand how GOD can morph, put on skin, be in the form of a burning bush, dwell in a temple, ALL WHILE NEVER LEAVING THE THRONE is BEYOND ME. But it makes sense because ITS GODDDDDDDDDDD. GOD can do whatever the flip He wants, and however He wants. The laws of physics CANNOT STOP HIM. So, if its too far fetched for you, that's normal. We are worms compared to GOD. Intellects on earth are dumbasses compared to him. Lastly, this is the same GOD that made your soul easily. He made the dirt you live on, and it was easy for Him. He set up the sexual system for humans so that you can exist. That's GOD.
Its amazing to see that you are awake Kristi.
The way you express yourself is like a weight fall off your shoulder
Free mind free thinker
Im struggling also with my Christian religion and questioning everything
Keep up the good work on this amazing channel
Just 'found' your channel - I usually run like hell from anything that even hints about the hateful, abusive childhood I endured in a Fundie church. THIS - this is the outlook I needed in my teens. (a long, long time ago). Thank you! I made a frenzied dive for the 'subscribe' button.
@riverdalehigh8r5tl love the name Jezebel!! It's awesome.
When we try to understand the mind of God and the plan of God for mankind, it always leads to confusion, anger and apart from Him. I would not try to analyze the Scriptures to "prove" that Christianity is fake.
Than you shall surely know Him because you have chosen very wisely
OMG WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN!!
I'm so glad to have found your channel!
I finally feel like someone gets it!
I've thought these things and said/shared some of them and it's never gone well..
I left the church and blindly believing in the doctrine years ago, but I'm still deconstructing.
I still believe in God(or a Creator), just not the way I was taught.
Ultimately, I'm just trying to figure out my belief system overall.
An I thank you for what you're doing.
It is timely, insightful, and helpful.
I think it's a story about slaves in a Babylonian garden. The rules for such slaves allowed them to eat from most trees, but the rare and particularly mature trees were off limits to slaves. Perhaps they were kids brought up in slavery from a very early age, forced to work nude and perhaps they didn't know better because it had always been that way. The Lord was the lord of the manor or garden. OT was written during the Babylonian Empire, and they were very famous for their gardens, which were also sort of zoos for exotic animals (think about Noah's Ark). Maybe it was a Blue Lagoon situation, and they realized they were naked when they had sexual awakening. There is a doublet of the creation story, and one states that the lord needed slaves to tend his garden, so he created them. When I look at the creation story through this lens, it starts to make a little sense.
There is this thing in psychology, it's the chick in the egg thing. Imagine a chick in an egg. That egg has been its entire universe for it's entire existence, but it is outgrowing the egg, and it is put in this situation where it must begin to destroy the very egg that has protected it. Once outside the egg, there is a lamenting for the way things were. Some psychologist say there is a penchant in us to blame ourselves for the destruction of the halcyon days of our youth. I heard this described to me about 30 years ago, but then read about it again around 2000 in a book titled "Bush on the couch" - where a psychologist attempts to examine George W. Bush. By the way, I saw an interview with Matt Damon and Robin Williams on the Charlie Rose show, where Damon, who wrote "Good Will Hunting" said, that the protagonist is confronting a similar situation - whether or not to grow beyond his tight little world with his friends in his neighborhood.
@@kaneinkansas yes. I think the ancient Hebrew religion struggled with the transition from hunter/gatherers into more permanent settlements. The story of Cain and Abel illustrates that they believed their god preferred the blood sacrifice of an animal to valuable grain and vegetable. I think the push to monotheism has to do with the difficulty of supporting so many animal sacrifices, particularly after Josiah’s reforms. It’s fun to plug the stories into the actual history and figure out the story that was meant to be told.
As an equal opportunity omnipotent flawless in perfection creator God. I'm sure there was a parallel biblical story that must have been an Adam & Steve story. Eating a rainbow hue apple 🍎 🌈
Because 'original sin' opens your eyes to inate sexuality, desires, and mortality.
There was no 'sanctioned' sexuality over another. No even by one man, one woman. Because God forbid 🚫 that fruit.
@@troysierra5228 the perfect omnipotent god idea didn’t come about until MUCH later than these creation myths. The god who created (El) in the Hebrew Bible and the patron god of Israel (YHWH) are two different gods. El is the kindly father type deity, whereas YHWH is depicted as a furious storm god with a big ego, a bad temper, and genocidal tendencies.
The first Bible in English, 1535 - The first complete Bible in English was published abroad, most likely in Antwerp, in 1535What does the Bible say about hitting a pregnant woman?
"If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.
You are so right, when you speak about the Church's expectations of us: blind obedience. And not only that, they use the blind obedience to oppress its members, and brain wash them into believing that they're happy in their ignorance. I was raisied in an Evangelical church, and at the age of 16-ish, I began to truly question this blind obedience requirement, and left the church. I was condemned for my questions, and judged sinful by my former fellow congregants. As a young mother, in my 20s, I briefly explored re-joining the "faith", and was again confronted, by my intuition (God-given, if you ask some of my former fellow congregants... but that's another exploration: if it is God-given, why is using my intuition a "sin"?), and abandoned the organized Evangelical "faith" once again. Now, I'm still exploring whether I believe in an Omnipotent Higher Being, but I have no doubt that the God of the Bible is neither All Knowing, nor is He All Compassionate. He is, in short, as you say... The Bad Guy.
While I do believe in gods and one that's above the rest; I don't worship them or do much in the way of anything because I believe they want humans to grow and develop on their own. I can imagine them having left in the past due to cults and simply left bits of information to help with our growth. Sadly, much of the knowledge of the symbolism and metaphors have been lost and distorted over time. So, I think the best thing humans can do in life is to improve themselves and help others improve as well.
I struggled with the bible being the inspired word of God as a teenager as it had so much in it that was bad. The Israelites committing genocide and enslaving people when they took over the promised land. God having to sacrifice his own son to save us? Why didn't he just forgive us and make everything right if he made the rules. I did always believe there was a higher being though. Just that the Bible was a poor man made attempt to describe him. However since I have been listening to Atheist v Apologist arguments and evolutionary theory I now don't believe even a God exists and that there is no supernatural realm. No fairies, no ghosts, no angels, no demons and no Gods. There is no higher power judging your thoughts and actions. There are just human societies whose opinions and values change over time. We can play a part in influencing these opinions and values for the better.
God gave Adam a sinless nature and commanded him not to eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Adam chose to sin and the knowledge of evil made life harder after choosing to sin. But Adam rejected Gods perfect plan , and suffered the consequences of sin. However , now that Adam has learned this lesson , he is now able to choose good over evil after his eyes have been opened and follow after God.
@@brianjones2384 Why do you think the Adam and Eve story is an account of a real life event? It is even less plausible than the Harry Potter story. You need to examine why you believe certain things to be true. In my case it was because I was taught things when I was a child by people I trusted. When I looked into where these ideas came from I discovered they were just stories that had been repeated for thousands of years. This doesn't make them true any more than the Father Christmas story is true.
@@davidstirk4732 God is an absolute being with all knowledge to make a universe with a world like ours with humans who could perceive reality unlike anything found in the animal kingdom. I believe that he created Adam and Eve in his image , and with a sinless nature to offer them the gift of eternal life freely. God commanded Adam not to eat the forbidden fruit. The freedom to eat from any tree in the garden except for one tree was to bring their sinless nature to full maturity towards holiness. Adam's disobedience to God's command and. warning violated God's covenant. God begins with the ideal and with both love and goodness as a faithful creator. However once Adam and Eve's eyes were opened they now realized that it was better to not know evil at all. However once they were removed from the garden , they could choose good from evil once again , and now wiser to not repeat the same mistakes.
That is such an interesting perspective and I absolutely love how you tore apart one of the fundamentals of the book because that is very interesting that we look at it from more perspectives than our childlike Wonder because we're very much molded when we were raised in a church environment
This story was the final blow to my subtle deconstruction that creeped into my Christian journey a few years ago. This story clearly wasn't thought through. If it's inspired by God, then at least there shouldn't be all these weird fundamental flaws.
I was similar. I had shifted from devout Christian to agnostic that still kinda hoped one day to find god. But this was the story that finally pushed me to the point that the god of the Bible was hopelessly contradictory there for impossible.
You have made great mistake because of your impatience. Everything comes in time
@@Bojan12 nice claim. Can you back it up without resorting to logical fallacies?
It doesn't have to be "inspired by God" in the modern fundamentalist Christian sense, in order to make it true.
It also doesn't have to be easy for you to understand, in order to be true.
It also doesn't even have to be true, in order to have value, nor does its true value have to be apparent to you.
@@deneb3525 One word: Life
If the garden of Eden was perfect, then how was there even a way to sin and be kicked out?
We weren't set up for success
Because god is not all powerful or all loving, he's just a myth.
After sinning in Heaven (Rev.12:7-9) the Angel Lucifer was hurled to Earth, in order to give him a 2nd chance in the Garden (Ezekiel 28:13-19) in the form of serving humans as a cherub. He chose to continue in sin, but this time against humans through the woman (Genesis 3:1-16); that’s what made us imperfect. The same exact sin was carried out by the fallen angels in Genesis 6:1-2, which caused the flood after 120yrs (Genesis 6:3-4). His reasoning for all this is revealed in the entire chapter of Rev.12. I hope this helps!
@@undrwatropium3724 We actually were setup for success in Genesis 1-2. What Kristi is describing is church culture taught by false Christians, not the actual scriptures. This is why she experienced religious abuse, because they were not of Christ. I’m not being insensitive in that, because I speak from personal experience myself.
@@gleanerman2195 wish he was just a myth
Love your content. From a very young age in sunday school, I noticed the difference in God's compassion between the old testament and the new testament. At the age of 9 I refused to go to church, because their answers to my questions were not satisfactorily answered and to this day are not answered. Their main saying is, you have to have faith. Not good enough. Wasn't a good answer 65 years ago and not good enough at 71 yrs old. Pretty much, I have faith in myself to hopefully make the right decisions. Not always right one but I've done pretty good at trusting my choices. I feel the the church is a crutch for the people as an excuse to not help themselves, or believe that they're not capable of doing the things they can. You hear people say, "Praise the Lord! He saved us from this flood!" or maybe some other disaster. Or " I couldn't have done it without the Lords help".
I hope you're not saying that the old testament god is vengeful whereas the new testament god is compasionate. The god of psalm 103 is very compassionate, whereas the god of revelation and 2peter and 2thessalonians is very vengeful.
@@qbasicmichael , that's the main difference between OT & NT; what just about everyone says they know about the covenants. OT yhwh goes on about how he's jealous & created evil. The psalms aren't the deity talking. Revelation isn't prophesy. Paul's letters are more than likely forgeries. I'm not sure what you're getting at.
I'm more of an agnostic atheist and started the bible yesterday but without the lense of an indoctrinated christian. To me, even in the first 4 chapters of genesis god is clearly the antagonistic figure here. So weird that people see him as the ultimate love and justice.
Why is god antagonistic in Genesis 3? He tells you the truth all the way. Now... it is true that the truth hurts, especially if you are in labor and your fields have a lot of rocks. ;-)
I like the analogies of the toddler/parent relationship and showing compassion in a wrong choice…and the toddler with the knife for free will- brilliant
I find it so hard to understand how god gave ‘a free choice’ if they couldn’t know any morals or know literally anything about life. It simply does not add up on how that’s fair! How could they know they were making a mistake if god never taught them mistakes or that mistakes are bad?
@Kush Hazard If I am an infant a few months on this earth and my parent doesn't want me to have something, they don't plop it in front of me then punish me for grasping it. You especially don't plop it in front of me and then hire a babysitter to be alone in the room with me, literally present the forbidden thing to me, then curse and punish me. It is literally a parent's job to train and nurture and the entire reason is for the health, growth, safety and well being of the child, to get them safely to adulthood and able to stand on their own and be competent adults; not to satisfy the purely dictatorial impulses of a parent and remain forever subservient to parental instruction. If you don't know right from wrong, you also can't know that failing to follow a particular instruction is wrong. Especially when two adults are telling you very different things.
@Kush Hazard Yawn, whatever. If they don't see a good or bad side to it, objectively, or FEAR death particularly, yet, then how do you know what they'll choose, and how they'll weigh it up?
Also, it's got NOTHING to do with 99.9999999999 percent of humanity, either way, who were not yet BORN and had NO say in any of it.
Whilst I also bet, even 1/3 and probably, 3/3 of angels, DID know good from bad, and wider stakes - and had even less likely reason to 'rebel' in a 'perfect realm' etc.
Seems unlikely, taken that way? The whole civil war, thing?
@Kush Hazard Why is following instructions "good" why is not following them "evil"? How were they to know? The whole point of the tree was it taught them the difference.
@kushhazard3109If your God is Omnipresent and real we have no free will. But he decides that's the way he wants the dice to roll. Let me ask you this. Does God have free will? Could he choose not to create at all?
@@Kruppes_Mule The written title “tree of knowledge” does not refer to mental or educational ability being available through the indigestion of a fruit. The written title is referring to sexual knowing, the literal union between good and evil.
Genesis 4:1a
“And Adam KNEW Eve his wife; and she CONCEIVED-“
Genesis 4:25a
“And Adam KNEW his wife AGAIN; and she BARE A SON, and called his name Seth-“
This is why the woman’s womb was cursed in Genesis 3:16, while Adam’s hands were cursed in Genesis 3:18 since he ate from the tree but did not have intercourse with Satan. The woman was targeted with deception due to Revelation 12.
The fact that Satan actually KNEW he HAD to deceive the woman through temptation is proof she was not created flawed, she was a completely developed whole-brained adult woman. Satan HAD to implant flaws into her. Humans were not created with unwise minds, we were given the free will to make a choice…and Satan himself knew this truth. Thats why he manipulated the woman. No one was created flawed.
To understand why this happened in the beginning, you have to read Revelation 12.
My favorite thing I heard growing up in church was “if any one of us were in the garden we would have given into temptation of eating the fruit”. Suggesting that it doesn’t matter and it was inevitable. But why in the first place? Why? *sigh*
No, unfortunately it wasn’t inevitable. God didn’t plan for Sin he wanted only love and light for his world and children.
@holotrout then Jesus's sacrifice could not have been planned since before the world began.
God either wasn't all knowing or he *was* willing that some should perish and therefore a liar.
@@holotrout It was planned and we know that from one simple quality of god's capabilities as a being: he has knowledge of the future. Whether he's omniscient or just maximally-knowing, he has knowledge of the future, God gives visions of the future to people all the time in the Bible, so he KNEW that Adam and Eve were going to eat from his very pretty, very obviously not hard to get to tree.
@@NoahofWill you know more than God?
@@holotrout Do you believe that your god is omniscient?
One small tip for your audio: export it into a program like Audacity (free) and do both a high cut and low cut. I'm wearing headphones and the wind getting caught in the mic is creating some unwanted bass that's distracting and also the trees blowing/insects making noises is also quite distracting. Love the content, just wish I could focus on it better.
This is brilliant and makes perfect sense Kristi, so thank you. In all the years I was a Christian, I felt bad, because I was told I was... unless I kept praying for forgiveness (which still wasn't enough).
Spot on once again. Your explanations are beautiful in their clarity, in depth examinations of the subject matter but simplistic in their delivery, so that all can understand your message. I consider you to be one of the best presenters on this platform.
This is essentially taught to children in the form of "blanket training" from the Pearl's book "How to train up a child". The documentary on the Duggar family called "Shiny Happy People" talks about that as well and many Fundie Snarkers including Jen and James from Fundie Fridays have made videos about it.
That's so true! What a great connection. I watched that docuseries and the blanket training really stood out to me.
Kristi - Wow, after struggling with my upbringing through my 71 years I stumbled across your RUclips channel. Having seen only two thus far, I am fascinated by what seems to be your ability to discern the literary text from the mythical teachings, and I am anxious to watch your other videos.
Over the years, I have become resentful of all organized religions, their holy relics, ceremonies, and hypocritical existence, and have questioned the very existence of God, leaning increasingly toward universal science. The Bible’s teaching of Mankind being created some 6,000 years BC is impossible, especially when solid evidence of civilizations existing long before that has been found.
Of course, this all comes at a price - that which includes anxiety, guilt, and unsure feelings, stemming from years-long indoctrination by a fundamentalist belief system (Church of Christ).
However, thank you for being in the right place at the right time for me to hear what you have to say. Take care …
You talk like a member of a hate group.
@@isaacthegoat1432 Nope, just facing reality.
@@RLPnKY Your reality is believing in a woman who is so awful at reading that she missed the part of Adam and Eve being immortal and warned and also did not know wjhat the forbidden tree meant.
@@isaacthegoat1432 Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and beliefs. My personal experiences have shaped mine, as yours have shaped yours. Live your life as you feel you should, and I will do the same.
People like you are the reason that women should remain silent in church. 🤣🤣🤣 Rock on, sister! 👌
Yes! Years ago I used to ask why our “loving God” set us up for failure and punished ALL of mankind for Adam and Eve’s sins!
Looking back, now I understand that was the beginning of my deconstruction of Christianity!
…that’s not a loving god, btw! That’s a psycho mean and deceiving god. Use your brain!
I'm glad that you dropped religion. Spirituality is the way to have a relationship with God. God punished nobody. He knew what was going to happen in the Gardin. It was like the key that started the engine of God's Perfect System. What has been labeled " Original Sin" was actually First Blessing. Without Adam and Eve doing what they did THEN we wouldn't have Free Will NOW 🙏❤️
@@FLATearthGARY You have it all wrong. If you wish for the Truth, stop accepting whatever the lying middlemen (church leaders) tell you and develop a personal relationship with God for YOURSELF. If you do, then YOU can get the Truth straight from the horse's mouth. Trust me. God is nothing like popular opinion.
I am a human who makes his fair share of mistakes (sins?) and yet in the 17 years now that I have worked for God, He has shown me NOTHING BUT Love and Humor.
Evil God monster.
@@garychartrand7378 I think you can't even have a relationship lol
One question (of many) that I had was 'why would they be embarrassed to be naked by gaining knowledge'. Being embarrassed is usually a learned trait.
Edit: It also never states anywhere that the serpent in the garden was Satan/Lucifer. It was always just a serpent.
All future snakes were cursed for what that snake did. Not some demon father of lies, but an actual, from thence on crawling on its belly, craftier than all the other beasts God made, heel striking, snake.
@@ufgrad2008 Why was it punished? For telling the truth? The serpent was the only one in that story who didn’t lie.
That petulant 2 yr old god. Always throwing temper tantrums when it doesn't get it's way. "God can do whatever he wants cause he made us"... Sounds pretty abusive and especially for people already struggling with low self esteem issues... that would make someone feel less than scum on the bottom of a shoe 👟
C'mon now...a talking snake? Exactly what you would read in children's literature or see in Disney movies, which you can find in the "fiction" categories.
I believe the serpent was our reptilian brain, which was condemned by nature, when we evolved bigger and more complex brains, to take the back seat because now the pre-frontal cortex would be running things.
9:30 I can just imagine that evil, bloodthirsty, war-god, called "Yaldabaoth" by the Christian Gnostics, stomping through the Garden, shouting, "Adam, where are you!"
Congratulations on your RUclips channel. I’ve really enjoyed your content from Tiktok and am glad that you are continuing to share your story. Thanks for all that you do!
Kristi, your analysis is spot on. I was never really religious but I've taken interest in this story, and I think what you've taken out of it is exactly the point. Thank you for this awesome video.
Well, you can label this video as a fruit from the forbidden tree, cause it opened my eyes. Subscribing. :)
I hope you do more deconstructions like this.
She's like the forbidden tree that keeps on giving!
The way I learned it is that Adam and Eve were too immature spiritually to eat from the tree. Eventually they would have been allowed. The devil possessed the snake to talk to them. Also, Adam and Eve would have been allowed to stay in Eden if they confessed to eating of the tree, but notice that they blamed everyone but themselves.
You are awesome! I happened to stumble across you and it feels wonderful to hear someone who thinks so similarly and is getting solid information out there, to help spark people to think on their own utilizing critical thinking indeed. You’re a gifted speaker as well. Keep it up!!
Thank you Kristi! Ever since getting deconstructed, I always wanted to find a place that talks about the absurdity of the bible from a simple logical and moralistic perspective. I appreciate other channels that debunks the myths with science, history, and logical fallacy but I believe that pointing out the simple moral failings of the biblical god like you did could be the first step for many people in their deconstruction journey.
You are quite right. Kristi does that brilliantly.
I agree with what you said exactly. Just pointing out the simple moral failings of the biblical god. Kristi is amazing at doing this.
That's a pretty good synopsis of the story. The last couple of years I've read the whole Bible from Genesis-Revelation including the so called Apocrypha. The more I read, the more unbelievable the literature looked.
That happened to me. I've already read the Bible but it's when I read the Quran that I could see it's all bullshit.
I accidentally became an atheist by studying multiple religions
What is more believable???????????
Kristi is a brilliant analyst and she shows how the story of original sin is ridiculous. God is to blame, not all of humanity.
Why is god to blame for children growing into adults? Can you even hear yourself? ;-)
@@mikeymik2 Yes. I sound like an intelligent adult. ;-)
@@mikeymik2 Yeah, I didn't read that because you don't. ;-)