Everything after 1:14 is the end game/final bosses. There were some requests for Unique Boss Skills. These should be the true unique boss skills that cannot be used other than modding them in. I raise a question at 0:36 for Kohnsu, I dunno if he can actually use that while fighting him I’ve never seen him use it.
Lucifer is still weaker Becuse his gaea rage Doesent pierce and he also has less hp than Demi fiend and all the moves he do are weaker than Demi fiends moves
@@bogieprambudi That's because he's a Messiah. They're all equally busted. Lucifer here is probably about on par with SMT II YHVH, so a challenge for a Messiah, but weaker nonetheless. And I say SMT II YHVH because all the Messiahs are roughly equal in power and it took two to take down SMT IV YHVH.
@@demi-femme4821 SMT 2's YHVH is a pretty hard to measure enemy since Aleph alone was able to beat him so he's either an extremely weak representation of YHVH or Aleph is just stupidly powerful.
Would it not be expected that the Demi-Fiend holds the Knowledge of Lucifer? Pretty sure the phases of the fight go Knowledge from God -> Knowledge from Demi-Fiend -> Both combined with Lucifer's true powers.
Hunter Kun Devil Survivor 1, or more commonly known now as Devil Survivor Overclocked. Lucifer in that game is MegaTen’s standard Super Boss. Also what he says about the protagonist being his son is most likely metaphorical, because given the events of the game, I see no connection of it being literal (by blood or some sort of “adoptive” way). I say this because I have 100%’ed both Overclocked and Record Breaker, but man going through that Lucifer boss was hell. I will never question a spell name in MegaTen after seeing Megidoladyne.
You know your in for it when someone OTHER than Demi-Fiend uses Freikugel. Fun fact, for the two of you that were unaware of this: Freikugel came about as a mistranslation. In reality, it was actually meant to be named 'Riot Gun' (yeah, THAT Riot Gun).
So the Japanese skill is directly translated as "Supreme Magic Bullet". When Nocturne came stateside, it was translated as Freikugel in homage to a German opera where the Freikugeln were a set of magic bullets which never miss the shooter's target thanks to a deal with the devil, aka Demifiend's strongest attack which came about as his inheritance of power from Lucifer himself as his personal creation. Riot Gun came after as a deliberate mistranslation to make it distinct from Freikugel and the Demifiend, as it was also no longer a unique Almighty based skill. In Apocalypse however, both attacks appear thanks to the DLC, where Freikugel is unique to Demifiend and Riot Gun is the general use Gun skill for everyone else.
Lucifer's first two phases were his demon forms, but his third phase was him saying "now you'll see why I was God's Chosen". The dude was the highest of the high of all the Angels, before the Archangel Michael was the leader of the Angelic Legion, there was Lucifer. Even before the Fall, this dude was an absolute unit
3:53 The only enemy in the game that can create press turns from nothing is Lucifer and not Mot,and for the next turn only RIP beast eye/dragon eye spam
Just imagine how all of this would look in anime. These are literal GODS vying for the right to reshape the world. This kind of shit would be world-shattering.
Man this comment gives me such a cool idea for how Holy Crucifixion could have worked where it would apply the Taunt effect to the Nahobino, but for your demons as well. It would have been a neat little thing to both do service to the line and skill reference and also pose another obstacle to the Nahobino pursuing a world for humanity alone. Edit: I worded this poorly but basically I meant that your own demons would be forced to target you with anything possible. Multi-target moves would probably only target the party and not Lucy...or maybe they would hit Lucifer too who knows.
Damn, Lucifer using Gaea Rage is really cool, but a little disappointed when atlus nerfing the YHVH's elemental skill that lucifer uses so there is no more piercing like YHVH and 4 Archangels did in IV and IVA
Maybe it’s just proving that even though he has claimed so much power, he left behind what he could have at attained when he was still a servant. Ah who am I kidding. I’m probably spitting bs that Atlus could try to justify it as.
@@christopherbravo1813 I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out Lucifer was holding back. His plan at this point was for the protagonist to kill him and take his knowledge and then use said knowledge to permanently end the Mandala System once and for all. He just wanted to put up enough of a fight to see if the protagonist was really worthy of the power of god. Well that’s my take anyway.
@@scuffed7648 I don't think that the protagonist ended the Mandala System. the only way to truly end it is to destroy the Great Will-and doing THAT would apparently delete every single timeline.
@@carhighh tsukuyomi is the only one of the 3 nahobino who we cannot use. Abdiel in law and Nuwa in.. well general post game unlock. All we got is their dog.
he's just a fucking good tank cause of all the resistances and Nulls, I'm also absuing the shit out of him as well. Definately a demon you want to have for your hard mode run.
@@netomoreira3525 It's alright, there are some other demons with good resistance with high vit, but Belphe is one of the best tanks you get from mid-game
@@dantemustdie00 i only use his affinity essence. thanks to the toilet man, my nahobino is a tank. Belphegor was quickly replaced with Kin Ki as the designated punching bag.
That is unfortunately the biggest flaws most MegaTen games share amongst each other. When you’re around level 90, you will usually finish the final boss before they can show off what they can really do. I mean I really like the Nyx Avatar fight in Persona 3. But when I get to the final phase of the fight, if I can, I could use Armageddon to finish it by dealing guarantee 9999 damage. Even though Nyx Avatar’s final phase cuts damage taken by half.
Lcs Maybe however, I have the mentality if that an enemy gets in my way, I will destroy them. I rarely flee from battles. And that just eventually leads me into power levelling since I do every side quest in MegaTen games (as long as they as not a pain in the ass). I can’t help it if demons want to kill me even though I’m out of their league.
@@theomnigamer9177 That's cool and all mister destroyer, but you do bring it on yourself ultimately if you grind more than the average person who experiences the game. You can't complain about things being too easy when you, under your own *choice*, decide to reach as far as possible to make things easy.
pisses me off that Khonsu Ra as a summon doesn't have any unique moves at all. But jeezes Lucifer, tho I'm surprise his Tornado/Inferno/Lighting/Hailstorm of God doesn't pierce like YHVH's does.
@@christopherbravo1813 ohh my bad i thought you talk abouu RA but yeah i think all YHVH past skills should be Heavy piercing, hopefully they change this if there is a extra hard difficulty
Man I did the neutral route and got cheated out of a lot of these, going to do the others since the alignment lock happens so ridiculously late in the game though. Also I literally had to LET tsukiyomi use his unique ice skill because my yoshitsune kept dodging yabusame shot lol.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 He really is, and the mechanics don't stop you from carrying any demons you like into the late game. Although their resistances tend to be iffy compared to naturally late game demons.
We went from a pretty pathetic Light Blast in P4 to a Nuke from a Star. Now we went from that to a whole sun getting dropped onto our heads and then blowing up. Easily the best version.
Holy shit, I haven't seen like 66% of Lucifer's moves. After beating Shiva, I was so OP i took him every form of his in like 2 turns. He can use freikugel and gaea rage with unique animation? And his normal attack looks cool as well. How the hell did they manage to screw the balance so much?
Sounds like we all had a similar experience, though in my case I went for the Chaos ending the first time around, meaning I only got to fight the nerfed stage 1 version of Lucifer. After the battle with Shiva the games climax was underwhelming to say the least.
Makes me wonder how much more powerful is transcended Lucifer (that’s what I call him since he “transcended” above YHVH). I assume he’s way more powerful than YHVH since he was already strong and now with what I assume is YHVH’s power infused into him. He is also the only being to know of the Mandala Cycle before telling the MC. I doubt he’s as strong as Stephen or Axiom by a long shot but he is probably def stronger than YHVH which could also mean true neutral Nahobino is just as strong since he beats Lucifer and consumed his knowledge to help break the cycle. This just proves how insanely strong the characters are in V compared to the other titles. This confirms that Nahobino is probably at minimum on par with Aleph and Doomguy.
I think it says somewhere that Lucifer consumed God's power and that's why he's rocking Tornado/Inferno/etc. of God. At the very least, I'd say this is by far Lucifer's strongest showing.
Anyone is on par with them. Neither Aleph nor Doomguy have been shown to be any different than normal humans, from my understanding. Sure, aleph isnt human, and he defeats YHVH, but isnt he also cursed in the process? Which makes him severely less impressive than some. And Doomguy would be screwed without his demons pulling most of the work, just because he cant use magic and is entirely an ordinary human. Nahobino has the most impressive feats so far, and may in fact be the strongest protagonist.
@@jonathangoodwin5609 Aleph still beat YHVH with his bare hands, no power of friendship stuff, no demon backing him up. Yes he did get cursed at the end since YHVH’s a prick, but I just shows that both Aleph and YHVH are on equal footing, Aleph beat him but YHVH cursed him so there’s no definitive winner in the end since both of them lost in their own ways. Also doomguy beat Shekinah who is the divine aspect of god, with gun. Yeah he got demons but there is no canon set of final demons he uses, so it’s safe to assume he did most of the heavy lifting. Cuz I’m pretty sure if he uses demons less than Beelzebub level of power, he won’t even stand a chance.
@@SirSuffers I personally think that Lucifer either didn't have God's full power or was intentionally holding back. so no, the protagonist is not stronger than Aleph, but he may be on Doomguy's level.
@@christopherbravo1813 I think u might be right on the holding back part since Luci’s whole intention was to be killed by Nahobino so that he can gain his Knowledge and break the cycle. So there’s no reason for him to go all out if he wants to be killed (yet the game still makes u fight him lmao)
I'm not gonna lie, Lucifer's skills look *really damn cool*, not to mention powerful as HELL. It's a shame that given the requirements of True Ending and the massive level difference, plus other stuff to make the MC/demons powerful, that you'd rarely get to see them or feel their impact. It's a long shot, but if there's ever a remake of thsi game (not likely), I'd like a rebalance so we can actually get a challenging version of this fight. (Maybe make him Level 100 like YHVH in SMT IVA?
This makes me salty that Lucifer isn't playable without a jailbroken/modded switch. Dagnabbit. Getting access to him and all his fancy boss moves would have been a nice reward for 100% completion of the different endings.
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Even fighting Shiva under leveled doesn't fix it since beating Shiva at around level 86 gives enough exp to get to level 92 even on hard mode where the exp gains are nerfed.
I made the mistake of over leveling to beat Shiva. Tried him at level 86 and he would wipe out Idun with one hit. So I leveled to around 95. After that the rest of the game is a joke. In fact, I didn't see hardly any of Lucifer's skills shown here in the video, since he changed affinities after a couple of rounds. Next playthrough, I'm going to shoot for taking out Shiva at a much lower level. Still though, I don't know how much of a challenge the rest of the bosses will be at even the upper 80's to low 90's. Maybe Lucifer, but the rest will be a pushover still.
I beat Shiva at level 86 after building way too many demons and getting way too much stuff. The problem is that it leveled me to level 95, where level scaling did the rest. If you really wanted to have a challenge with Lucifer/Empyrean bosses, you'd need to fight Shiva at the low 80's to have a challenge.
@@thestealer63214 that makes sense. It is likely to be a tough fight at level 80 though. I think BuffMaister had a really good Shiva strategy in a different video. He used Sigfried as a tank, with Fierce Roar and plugging up his weaknesses. Something like this seems essential, because in the mid 80's I had a hard time even getting a hit off... I was simply playing defense and then get unlucky and end up wiped out.
Yep. The game design is absolute garbage. If you overshot your leveling just by a little bit, it's not fun. There were some bosses that were too high in level and it was completely one sided. Getting just a few levels higher made it one sided in the player's favor. The best balance was anywhere from 5 to 2 levels lower as a Nahobino and 2 to 5 levels higher for the demons. Since demons can't outlevel the Nahobino after summoning, you need fresh fusions for your party to make it somewhat enjoyable. The only ones I was somewhat able to enjoy were Joka, Lahmu, Fionn, Odin, and Zeus and all of them were because their levels are much higher than the rest of the area so I went underleveled. Whoever did the level thing as a stat should be fired and not allowed to work again. The game is extremely unbalanved as is.
@@whyisblue923taken I thought that the game was pretty balanced up until the Shiva fight and afterwards. If you skip Shiva, then it would have been fine all the way through. Or Shiva should've been the final boss, as he was tougher than most other bosses that came afterwards (outside of demi-fiend). Or they should have made Shiva a little easier. What I did like about this game, that they nailed up until that point where there were issues, is that there was no need to grind. Just taking on the side quests and using level up items for the Nahibino and other demons was enough to be able to get through most of the game, only needing to make sure to fuse or recruit the right demons for certain boss fights. I thought that the game was a lot of fun. Still miles ahead of just about any other non-Atlus RPG. Really only falling apart a bit with the balance toward the very end of the game. And the story didn't have the same impact as it did in Nocturne, if you progress through the true demon ending. I loved how in Nocturne all of the demons that you were fighting were carefully weaved into that overarching story, even the little bug dropped into the protagonist right at the beginning being part of the story as well as the means for which he gains affinities and skills. Fusion and the press turn battle system was refined quite a bit from Nocturne in SMT V though and was a welcome step up. Here's hoping I'll have as much fun with Soul Hacker's 2. I'm not sure about it, but again an Atlus RPG is far better than most other RPG's out there.
I beat Shiva at 86 and leveled up to 92 from that fight alone despite playing on hard which nerfs exp gains. I genuinely don't know how you're supposed to reach the full Lucifer fight without being overleveled for it.
Or rather the Archangels skills from SMT IV. Unfortunately for, his don’t Pierce. Maybe it’s a sign that even though he gained so much power after he rebelled against *record scratch*, he left behind what he might have been able to use if he were still a servant.
I didn't realize that Lucifer throws the stars for high elemental damage. They are very weak and give him weaknesses too, so I figured he was trying to kill himself. lol
Kinda funny how Lucifer has all of Demi-fiend's unique skills but the ones he shares with DLC Demi-fiend are all nerfed so technically there's 2 different versions of all those skills in the game
I never saw Heliopolis Dawn in my fight against Khonsu Ra because I had Cleopatra and Khonsu's Thoth ally just kept using light skills on her every time Khonsu tried to charge up Heliopolis Dawn, I was even pretty under levelled but I still beat him thanks to that lol
some of those skills like dreadful gleam or heliopolis dawn I was looking forward to get those demons to get them and they are missing somehow for unexplained reasons? bug? or on purpose and if on purpose why?
That's just their affinity from using skills of that element. The higher the number, the bigger the damage and lesser the MP cost. It's meant so that demons are logically adept at some elements more than others. It's like making Jack Frost use a fire skill, when it excels more on ice skills. You could still give them skills with the element they suck on if there's not much choice when fusing.
@@user-ud5uo8fm4x well maybe it's just my bias because i'm not reaching to that point yet. It's all from watching someone using Murakumo and Fire of Sinai often and the result was Fire of Sinai does more damage
Maybe it isn't, but it does so much damage that it might as well be. I don't think the Veil skill, two defense up buffs, and two attack down debuffs will even medigate that much damage either.
Well, let me rephrase that. Destroy the Throne has a ''hidden'' ending if you complete the required sidequests before the ending choice (Right after Metatron). Doing this, triggers the ''true'' Final Boss with a slight difference compared to the other 2 ending routes.
@@BuffMaister You gotta be joking! What a stupid ending! I really thought that it was weird that Tsukuyomi was the final boss. So Lúcifer is the boss of the true ending or all the others? I'm on ng+ going for the chaos ending
@@BuffMaister I was trying to get the that true ending did a bunch of side quests that some people said that were necessary (Amanozako's, Fionn's, Khonsu's and Demeter's and Shiva's) but didn't get the dialogue choice after beating Fallen Abdiel.
Yes, Lucifer is the final boss. You can fight him on the other route. On the hidden Destroy the Throne ending he's slightly different with 2 extra phases.
@@jonathonmaxwell2973 did you know that Jesus is referred to in the Bible as the Morning Star and as Lucifer long before those names were given to the Devil?
@@christopherbravo1813 Well, Lucifer was the name of the angel that rebelled against God, with his followers which include Abdiel, but Lucifer was given the name Satan when he was cast into Hell for going against God and after Abdiel chose God over him.
@@soronexle2681 the Magatama are essences of Demons, Lucifer basically took other demons and gave their essence to Naoki and HE developed these skills.
@@jackour8167 You literally just invalidated your own argument. If the Magatama are the essence of demons, then that means that there's a demon out there that can use these skills. So, the Demi-Fiend developed JACK SHIT.
@@usaminolulu thank you! I honestly don't understand why people seem to hate any English dub. I personally prefer English, but that's because it's the only language I speak and would like to watch the cutscene rather than stare at the subtitles
WAAAAAYYYYY Stronger than anything Persona could bring out, hell most SMT big bads are in another league compare to Persona baddies, tho the Devil Survivor 2 Triagulum Arc final boss might be stronger, can't say. Course nothing holds a candle to Stephan yet, he's....well he's at the top of the Megaten Food chain.
@@firebreak2009 he fought the 5 Messiahs (which one "except Kazuya" is strong enough to finish a Persona Main Protagonist with ease) at once. Is really certain that no Persona User can even match him. The closest to him is Joker. But only surpasses Kazuya.
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Everything after 1:14 is the end game/final bosses.
There were some requests for Unique Boss Skills.
These should be the true unique boss skills that cannot be used other than modding them in.
I raise a question at 0:36 for Kohnsu, I dunno if he can actually use that while fighting him I’ve never seen him use it.
use a spyglass on khonsu
Khonsu has Karnak on his list as a boss, he just never seems to live long enough to use it.
What about Demi Fiend?
Lucifer's skills really proved himself to be Demi-fiend's predecessor
yea but all of his skills are the weaker version of demiboy
@@bogieprambudi Not Morning Star.
Lucifer is still weaker Becuse his gaea rage Doesent pierce and he also has less hp than Demi fiend and all the moves he do are weaker than Demi fiends moves
@@bogieprambudi That's because he's a Messiah. They're all equally busted.
Lucifer here is probably about on par with SMT II YHVH, so a challenge for a Messiah, but weaker nonetheless.
And I say SMT II YHVH because all the Messiahs are roughly equal in power and it took two to take down SMT IV YHVH.
@@demi-femme4821 SMT 2's YHVH is a pretty hard to measure enemy since Aleph alone was able to beat him so he's either an extremely weak representation of YHVH or Aleph is just stupidly powerful.
Morning Star in Persona: Meh, it's okay.
Morning Star in SMT V: WHAT THE FUCK IS HAP-
*VAPORIZED.*
This is a whole other level than any of P5's animations that's for sure.
@@dantemustdie00
Ehhh honestly i like P5's morning star more, but all 4 of them are badass
Lucy summoning the star is intimidating by itself
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 yeah he literately creates a minature planet Venus. That's like the biggest flex you can do.
@@dantemustdie00 shame all of them are in sub-27 fps lmao
Lucifer having unique animations for Demi-fiend's skills is cool as fuck. Like father, like son?
Well if we’re going by that logic, Lucifer claims to be the Devil Survivor Protagonist Father. So uhhhhh, I don’t know.
Would it not be expected that the Demi-Fiend holds the Knowledge of Lucifer? Pretty sure the phases of the fight go Knowledge from God -> Knowledge from Demi-Fiend -> Both combined with Lucifer's true powers.
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@@theomnigamer9177 Wait Overclocked or Record Breaker MC? I haven’t fully completed either of them.
Hunter Kun Devil Survivor 1, or more commonly known now as Devil Survivor Overclocked.
Lucifer in that game is MegaTen’s standard Super Boss. Also what he says about the protagonist being his son is most likely metaphorical, because given the events of the game, I see no connection of it being literal (by blood or some sort of “adoptive” way). I say this because I have 100%’ed both Overclocked and Record Breaker, but man going through that Lucifer boss was hell. I will never question a spell name in MegaTen after seeing Megidoladyne.
You know your in for it when someone OTHER than Demi-Fiend uses Freikugel.
Fun fact, for the two of you that were unaware of this: Freikugel came about as a mistranslation. In reality, it was actually meant to be named 'Riot Gun' (yeah, THAT Riot Gun).
So the Japanese skill is directly translated as "Supreme Magic Bullet". When Nocturne came stateside, it was translated as Freikugel in homage to a German opera where the Freikugeln were a set of magic bullets which never miss the shooter's target thanks to a deal with the devil, aka Demifiend's strongest attack which came about as his inheritance of power from Lucifer himself as his personal creation. Riot Gun came after as a deliberate mistranslation to make it distinct from Freikugel and the Demifiend, as it was also no longer a unique Almighty based skill. In Apocalypse however, both attacks appear thanks to the DLC, where Freikugel is unique to Demifiend and Riot Gun is the general use Gun skill for everyone else.
@@quisetellThe two skills also share animation
Lucifer's first two phases were his demon forms, but his third phase was him saying "now you'll see why I was God's Chosen". The dude was the highest of the high of all the Angels, before the Archangel Michael was the leader of the Angelic Legion, there was Lucifer. Even before the Fall, this dude was an absolute unit
I wonder how Helel fit into all this?
3:53
The only enemy in the game that can create press turns from nothing is Lucifer and not Mot,and for the next turn only
RIP beast eye/dragon eye spam
And the only enemy to take away press turns is the Demi-fiend. Hmmmmm.
@@theomnigamer9177 Cries in imposing
stance in 4A
Blastmole299 Imposing Stance and Crack Code yes.
2:41 His arm went flying LMAO
Just imagine how all of this would look in anime. These are literal GODS vying for the right to reshape the world. This kind of shit would be world-shattering.
if smt had an actual full blown anime series, it would break the internet
2:44 Heca’s arm flew really high up lol
Go back to olympus
3:19 - 3:27 Those voice lines fit shockingly well together
Man this comment gives me such a cool idea for how Holy Crucifixion could have worked where it would apply the Taunt effect to the Nahobino, but for your demons as well. It would have been a neat little thing to both do service to the line and skill reference and also pose another obstacle to the Nahobino pursuing a world for humanity alone.
Edit: I worded this poorly but basically I meant that your own demons would be forced to target you with anything possible. Multi-target moves would probably only target the party and not Lucy...or maybe they would hit Lucifer too who knows.
Damn, Lucifer using Gaea Rage is really cool, but a little disappointed when atlus nerfing the YHVH's elemental skill that lucifer uses so there is no more piercing like YHVH and 4 Archangels did in IV and IVA
Maybe it’s just proving that even though he has claimed so much power, he left behind what he could have at attained when he was still a servant.
Ah who am I kidding. I’m probably spitting bs that Atlus could try to justify it as.
maybe it's proof that Lucifer either
A. didn't kill God
B. can't use God's full power (or his own for that matter)
C. was holding back the whole time.
@@christopherbravo1813 I wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out Lucifer was holding back. His plan at this point was for the protagonist to kill him and take his knowledge and then use said knowledge to permanently end the Mandala System once and for all. He just wanted to put up enough of a fight to see if the protagonist was really worthy of the power of god. Well that’s my take anyway.
@@scuffed7648 I don't think that the protagonist ended the Mandala System. the only way to truly end it is to destroy the Great Will-and doing THAT would apparently delete every single timeline.
@@christopherbravo1813 true but he seemed to find the next best thing in the true neutral ending.
"Your life...ends here!"
Man, it sure does.
Im so mad that tsukiyomi isn't a summonable demon he looks so cool!
hes the best of the 3 Nahobino imo
I like that the blade for his scythe looks like a crescent moon. Very fitting.
@@carhighh tsukuyomi is the only one of the 3 nahobino who we cannot use. Abdiel in law and Nuwa in.. well general post game unlock. All we got is their dog.
@@Imonyaki and the dog ain’t even that good😭
@@carhighh level 40 demon for endgame content LMAO 😂😂😂
I see that you bring the toilet man all through your journey in SMT.
he's just a fucking good tank cause of all the resistances and Nulls, I'm also absuing the shit out of him as well.
Definately a demon you want to have for your hard mode run.
@@dantemustdie00 my pride will once again cause me more trouble cuz' I am not using Belphegor heheheh
@@netomoreira3525 It's alright, there are some other demons with good resistance with high vit, but Belphe is one of the best tanks you get from mid-game
@@dantemustdie00 i only use his affinity essence. thanks to the toilet man, my nahobino is a tank. Belphegor was quickly replaced with Kin Ki as the designated punching bag.
@@warnacokelat I'm kinda afraid to use Belphegor's affinity to Nahobino since light attacks can insta kill you
Really liked Khonsu Ra, fought him underleveled. His story is also a favorite, even if it came with only 2 bits of foreshadowing
I became super OP late game so I beat Lucifer really quickly AND I DIDNT KNOW HE HAD SUCH COOL MOVES OMG
That is unfortunately the biggest flaws most MegaTen games share amongst each other. When you’re around level 90, you will usually finish the final boss before they can show off what they can really do. I mean I really like the Nyx Avatar fight in Persona 3. But when I get to the final phase of the fight, if I can, I could use Armageddon to finish it by dealing guarantee 9999 damage. Even though Nyx Avatar’s final phase cuts damage taken by half.
@@theomnigamer9177 I don't think you're meant to grind to that level for this game though.
Lcs Maybe however, I have the mentality if that an enemy gets in my way, I will destroy them. I rarely flee from battles. And that just eventually leads me into power levelling since I do every side quest in MegaTen games (as long as they as not a pain in the ass). I can’t help it if demons want to kill me even though I’m out of their league.
@@theomnigamer9177 That's cool and all mister destroyer, but you do bring it on yourself ultimately if you grind more than the average person who experiences the game. You can't complain about things being too easy when you, under your own *choice*, decide to reach as far as possible to make things easy.
@@wl4810 The problem is more so on True Neutral, since you must grind for Shiva, and Lucifer is lower level than Shiva
Falling Star and Morning Star looking sick, im really curious on how they looks like on a emulator in 4k with fsr texture mod and all the fancy stuff
is emulator already good? last time I checked it was missing some textures and vfx
pisses me off that Khonsu Ra as a summon doesn't have any unique moves at all.
But jeezes Lucifer, tho I'm surprise his Tornado/Inferno/Lighting/Hailstorm of God doesn't pierce like YHVH's does.
Yeah, hopefully it's a mistake from atlus and will getting patch later
Also still waiting for the new level caps dlc for this game
@@renhardhalim what if it wasn't a mistake?
@@christopherbravo1813 well then you can say goodbye to helliopolis dawn until the next game
@@renhardhalim I was referring to the "of God" skills not piercing like they should.
@@christopherbravo1813 ohh my bad i thought you talk abouu RA but yeah i think all YHVH past skills should be Heavy piercing, hopefully they change this if there is a extra hard difficulty
Holy shit! Morning Star is sooo sick!
everybody gangsta until Lucy starts throwin SUNS
@@thelion104 Madara was throwing Moons. Madara V. Lucifer when? Who can throw the farthest contest?
Man I did the neutral route and got cheated out of a lot of these, going to do the others since the alignment lock happens so ridiculously late in the game though.
Also I literally had to LET tsukiyomi use his unique ice skill because my yoshitsune kept dodging yabusame shot lol.
Yoshitsune is the best demon in this game tbh
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 He really is, and the mechanics don't stop you from carrying any demons you like into the late game.
Although their resistances tend to be iffy compared to naturally late game demons.
It really sucks that you don't get Ishtar's unique skill upon obtaining her after beating her.
P5’s Morning Star is cool, but Holy Shit Morning Star in SMT5 is the best version I’ve ever seen.
We went from a pretty pathetic Light Blast in P4 to a Nuke from a Star. Now we went from that to a whole sun getting dropped onto our heads and then blowing up. Easily the best version.
Holy shit, I haven't seen like 66% of Lucifer's moves. After beating Shiva, I was so OP i took him every form of his in like 2 turns. He can use freikugel and gaea rage with unique animation? And his normal attack looks cool as well. How the hell did they manage to screw the balance so much?
Sounds like we all had a similar experience, though in my case I went for the Chaos ending the first time around, meaning I only got to fight the nerfed stage 1 version of Lucifer.
After the battle with Shiva the games climax was underwhelming to say the least.
I was so disappointed that khonsu ra didn't have a single unique skill to his name, dude really gonna hold out on me after a missable sidequest.
5:07 gave me DBZ vibes of all things
...on second thought, almost _everything_ in this video gave me that vibe
Luci's design SLAYS. He looks phenomenal.
Khonsu just did a fucking DBZ move I swear I thought his love was weak till he threw THE DEATH BALL
Makes me wonder how much more powerful is transcended Lucifer (that’s what I call him since he “transcended” above YHVH). I assume he’s way more powerful than YHVH since he was already strong and now with what I assume is YHVH’s power infused into him. He is also the only being to know of the Mandala Cycle before telling the MC.
I doubt he’s as strong as Stephen or Axiom by a long shot but he is probably def stronger than YHVH which could also mean true neutral Nahobino is just as strong since he beats Lucifer and consumed his knowledge to help break the cycle. This just proves how insanely strong the characters are in V compared to the other titles. This confirms that Nahobino is probably at minimum on par with Aleph and Doomguy.
I think it says somewhere that Lucifer consumed God's power and that's why he's rocking Tornado/Inferno/etc. of God. At the very least, I'd say this is by far Lucifer's strongest showing.
Anyone is on par with them. Neither Aleph nor Doomguy have been shown to be any different than normal humans, from my understanding. Sure, aleph isnt human, and he defeats YHVH, but isnt he also cursed in the process? Which makes him severely less impressive than some. And Doomguy would be screwed without his demons pulling most of the work, just because he cant use magic and is entirely an ordinary human. Nahobino has the most impressive feats so far, and may in fact be the strongest protagonist.
@@jonathangoodwin5609 Aleph still beat YHVH with his bare hands, no power of friendship stuff, no demon backing him up. Yes he did get cursed at the end since YHVH’s a prick, but I just shows that both Aleph and YHVH are on equal footing, Aleph beat him but YHVH cursed him so there’s no definitive winner in the end since both of them lost in their own ways.
Also doomguy beat Shekinah who is the divine aspect of god, with gun. Yeah he got demons but there is no canon set of final demons he uses, so it’s safe to assume he did most of the heavy lifting. Cuz I’m pretty sure if he uses demons less than Beelzebub level of power, he won’t even stand a chance.
@@SirSuffers I personally think that Lucifer either didn't have God's full power or was intentionally holding back.
so no, the protagonist is not stronger than Aleph, but he may be on Doomguy's level.
@@christopherbravo1813 I think u might be right on the holding back part since Luci’s whole intention was to be killed by Nahobino so that he can gain his Knowledge and break the cycle. So there’s no reason for him to go all out if he wants to be killed (yet the game still makes u fight him lmao)
"Does your luck wax, or wane?" Is such a cool line from the Shinto God of the Moon
I'm not gonna lie, Lucifer's skills look *really damn cool*, not to mention powerful as HELL.
It's a shame that given the requirements of True Ending and the massive level difference, plus other stuff to make the MC/demons powerful, that you'd rarely get to see them or feel their impact.
It's a long shot, but if there's ever a remake of thsi game (not likely), I'd like a rebalance so we can actually get a challenging version of this fight. (Maybe make him Level 100 like YHVH in SMT IVA?
Watching these animations after a day of playing pokemon legends arceus is how I restore my faith in switch gaming.
3:50 His stare at the Contempt of God skill looks similar to the painting The Fallen Angel by Cabanel
This makes me salty that Lucifer isn't playable without a jailbroken/modded switch. Dagnabbit. Getting access to him and all his fancy boss moves would have been a nice reward for 100% completion of the different endings.
I hope we could use that lucifer in post-game
same with final enemy nahobino forms
It doesn't seem like you can. A few demons unlock for fusion after you beat the game and lucifer isn't one of them
@@user-ud5uo8fm4x Nope, no Lucifer or Demi-Fiend or the Nahobino forms :/
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 yeah a shame
Man sure would be nice to fight Lucifer's 2nd form without having to be over leveled
Yeah they really should've buffed him to level 95 or 99,
@@dantemustdie00 Honestly have no idea why they didn't. Shiva is 96 and you HAVE to fight him before Lucifer or not at all
@@thelegacyofgaming2928 Even fighting Shiva under leveled doesn't fix it since beating Shiva at around level 86 gives enough exp to get to level 92 even on hard mode where the exp gains are nerfed.
I made the mistake of over leveling to beat Shiva. Tried him at level 86 and he would wipe out Idun with one hit. So I leveled to around 95. After that the rest of the game is a joke. In fact, I didn't see hardly any of Lucifer's skills shown here in the video, since he changed affinities after a couple of rounds. Next playthrough, I'm going to shoot for taking out Shiva at a much lower level. Still though, I don't know how much of a challenge the rest of the bosses will be at even the upper 80's to low 90's. Maybe Lucifer, but the rest will be a pushover still.
I beat Shiva at level 86 after building way too many demons and getting way too much stuff. The problem is that it leveled me to level 95, where level scaling did the rest. If you really wanted to have a challenge with Lucifer/Empyrean bosses, you'd need to fight Shiva at the low 80's to have a challenge.
@@thestealer63214 that makes sense. It is likely to be a tough fight at level 80 though. I think BuffMaister had a really good Shiva strategy in a different video. He used Sigfried as a tank, with Fierce Roar and plugging up his weaknesses. Something like this seems essential, because in the mid 80's I had a hard time even getting a hit off... I was simply playing defense and then get unlucky and end up wiped out.
Yep. The game design is absolute garbage. If you overshot your leveling just by a little bit, it's not fun. There were some bosses that were too high in level and it was completely one sided. Getting just a few levels higher made it one sided in the player's favor. The best balance was anywhere from 5 to 2 levels lower as a Nahobino and 2 to 5 levels higher for the demons. Since demons can't outlevel the Nahobino after summoning, you need fresh fusions for your party to make it somewhat enjoyable. The only ones I was somewhat able to enjoy were Joka, Lahmu, Fionn, Odin, and Zeus and all of them were because their levels are much higher than the rest of the area so I went underleveled.
Whoever did the level thing as a stat should be fired and not allowed to work again. The game is extremely unbalanved as is.
@@whyisblue923taken I thought that the game was pretty balanced up until the Shiva fight and afterwards. If you skip Shiva, then it would have been fine all the way through. Or Shiva should've been the final boss, as he was tougher than most other bosses that came afterwards (outside of demi-fiend). Or they should have made Shiva a little easier.
What I did like about this game, that they nailed up until that point where there were issues, is that there was no need to grind. Just taking on the side quests and using level up items for the Nahibino and other demons was enough to be able to get through most of the game, only needing to make sure to fuse or recruit the right demons for certain boss fights.
I thought that the game was a lot of fun. Still miles ahead of just about any other non-Atlus RPG. Really only falling apart a bit with the balance toward the very end of the game. And the story didn't have the same impact as it did in Nocturne, if you progress through the true demon ending. I loved how in Nocturne all of the demons that you were fighting were carefully weaved into that overarching story, even the little bug dropped into the protagonist right at the beginning being part of the story as well as the means for which he gains affinities and skills. Fusion and the press turn battle system was refined quite a bit from Nocturne in SMT V though and was a welcome step up. Here's hoping I'll have as much fun with Soul Hacker's 2. I'm not sure about it, but again an Atlus RPG is far better than most other RPG's out there.
I beat Shiva at 86 and leveled up to 92 from that fight alone despite playing on hard which nerfs exp gains. I genuinely don't know how you're supposed to reach the full Lucifer fight without being overleveled for it.
These graphics deserves a PC and PS port.
Just wait. Maybe we can get a port on 2023
@@proletariodeverde9657and guess what it only took us 3 years to finally got it
I think he’s using YHVH’s elemental skills from apocalypse
Or rather the Archangels skills from SMT IV. Unfortunately for, his don’t Pierce. Maybe it’s a sign that even though he gained so much power after he rebelled against *record scratch*, he left behind what he might have been able to use if he were still a servant.
I swear I never seen Lucifer use any of these skills. He can fight!!!!
What the heck it’s damn cool
I didn't realize that Lucifer throws the stars for high elemental damage. They are very weak and give him weaknesses too, so I figured he was trying to kill himself. lol
Another badass lucifer design that we cant use
I love how half of Lucifer's skills are just death if they land
I really wish some of the Nahobinos and Lucifer could be bonus party members. I want that mega-hyper-galaxy-super-star-god Lucifer on my team!!
Ah, so I wasn't crazy, boss Khonsu Ra does have a unique that he for some reason doesn't have when you use him... why?
I DIDNT KNOW LUCIFER COULD USE GAEA RAGE AND FREIKUGAL WTFFF
"There's no dodging this"
My Demeter - "Are you sure about that?"
I killed lucifer so fast, that i only saw like, 1 or 2 of those skills.
"Hey Demi-Fiend, mind lettin' me borrow some of your moves?"
-Lucifer
Isn't it the opposite?
@@G-IV4 No, Demi-Fiend devolved these abilities first.
Seeing how cool these skills look like, I wish they put some of that effort to the other "normal" skills. :D
Kinda funny how Lucifer has all of Demi-fiend's unique skills but the ones he shares with DLC Demi-fiend are all nerfed so technically there's 2 different versions of all those skills in the game
4:56 Nahobino Lucifer Spirit Bomb bottom text
I never saw Lucifer summon and use Morning Star. Wow that's intimidating
Really with some of these would be usable like the dreadful gleam and morning star
Lahmu fully healing after using Babylon Curse was basically his version of Dragon Eye, stupidly overpowered and fucking annoying to fight against
I never saw Heliopolis Dawn in my fight against Khonsu Ra because I had Cleopatra and Khonsu's Thoth ally just kept using light skills on her every time Khonsu tried to charge up Heliopolis Dawn, I was even pretty under levelled but I still beat him thanks to that lol
I know damn well they didn’t make magma axis into an AOE move for Lucifer exclusively. Aight, Altus
some of those skills like dreadful gleam or heliopolis dawn I was looking forward to get those demons to get them and they are missing somehow for unexplained reasons? bug? or on purpose and if on purpose why?
They are Boss Exclusive. They only appear in the boss fights themself and you can't use them, even if you get the demon that uses it.
i didn't know Lucifer could use Demi-Fiend's unique skills
Is Louis voice by the colonel from MGS
Who's the dude with the crest on his face and how do you get to his boss fight, really got me curious
Is it me or lucy just steal some techniques from the demi-king
When the enemy throws these moves like the last one in the vid with +8 is there ever lower versions or does it only exist as +8?
That's just their affinity from using skills of that element. The higher the number, the bigger the damage and lesser the MP cost. It's meant so that demons are logically adept at some elements more than others.
It's like making Jack Frost use a fire skill, when it excels more on ice skills. You could still give them skills with the element they suck on if there's not much choice when fusing.
I really have been playing the game wrong. I didn't get to see almost every one of these skills in game.
It sucks that i beat lucifer in just a couple of turns. His animations are really good
Yikes, I'm glad he never got the chance do use that Morning Start on me.
i don't know if this counts, but would Thunderbird's Sonic Boom fall under the same category?
Ah, you're right. Yeah, I didn't even remember that he had a ''unique'', especially a Mazanma force skill while he's weak to force. Just missed it.
You forgot shiva…
So if they gave Yhvh nuke and psychokinesis what would they be called
2:06 does your luck wax or wane?
Smt v max debuff notification is really dramatic. "Stats Hit Rock Bottom." Bro there's only 2 buff stages and they last 3 turns.
Im so sad, what i cant fight Vishu or Belz.
Why the hell does Khonsu ra have a unique skill as a boss but not as an ally?
*no High King*
*Disappointed*
Still a great game overall.
Why was this private for like a month?
thx to cheat engine table i can access all of this
0:48 who is this?
I Wonder what are the strongest spells of each type of element of this game
Mostly -barion spells
The Barion skills, tho strongest isn't always best, Trisagion, Deadly Wind, Ice Age, and Narumkami are still more useful cause of the Pierce effect.
Fire of Shinai for Almighty i guess?
@@fbhniedmurakumo should do more damage
@@user-ud5uo8fm4x well maybe it's just my bias because i'm not reaching to that point yet. It's all from watching someone using Murakumo and Fire of Sinai often and the result was Fire of Sinai does more damage
So morning star is a one shot in this game?
Maybe it isn't, but it does so much damage that it might as well be. I don't think the Veil skill, two defense up buffs, and two attack down debuffs will even medigate that much damage either.
No, but unless you grind stats, it basically is. You aren't supposed to allow him to get to the point of using that move to begin with.
@@soronexle2681 Shield Of God is basically your only chance of living
Yea. Unless you have like 400 Vitality, it will do 2000 damage or more, which is guaranteed death
I got the neutral ending and my final boss was Tsukuyomi. Who the hell is that final boss? Which ending?
You must have done the ''Destroy the throne'' ending. yeah that skips the true final boss.
Well, let me rephrase that. Destroy the Throne has a ''hidden'' ending if you complete the required sidequests before the ending choice (Right after Metatron).
Doing this, triggers the ''true'' Final Boss with a slight difference compared to the other 2 ending routes.
@@BuffMaister You gotta be joking! What a stupid ending! I really thought that it was weird that Tsukuyomi was the final boss. So Lúcifer is the boss of the true ending or all the others? I'm on ng+ going for the chaos ending
@@BuffMaister I was trying to get the that true ending did a bunch of side quests that some people said that were necessary (Amanozako's, Fionn's, Khonsu's and Demeter's and Shiva's) but didn't get the dialogue choice after beating Fallen Abdiel.
Yes, Lucifer is the final boss. You can fight him on the other route. On the hidden Destroy the Throne ending he's slightly different with 2 extra phases.
Who's the boss at 1:40
Nuwa's nahobino form you can fight that boss in the first 2 endings
Lucifer using YHVH's skills lends credence to my hypothesis that Lucifer, rather than being the devil, is the corrupted form of Jesus Christ.
Explain please
@@jonathonmaxwell2973 did you know that Jesus is referred to in the Bible as the Morning Star and as Lucifer long before those names were given to the Devil?
@@christopherbravo1813 Honestly no I always though that Lucefier was fallen angel. That had the morning star title. While Jesus is Son of God.
@@jonathonmaxwell2973 over time, Lucifer has become associated with the devil. I don't really understand how it happened.
@@christopherbravo1813 Well, Lucifer was the name of the angel that rebelled against God, with his followers which include Abdiel, but Lucifer was given the name Satan when he was cast into Hell for going against God and after Abdiel chose God over him.
I’ve never seen these demons, who are they?
0:01 Hydra
0:09 Lahmu
0:22 Shohei Yakumo (original story character)
0:35 Khonsu
0:48 Khonsu Ra
1:15 Abdiel (Fallen, Nahobino form)
1:27 Nuwa (Nahobino form)
2:06 Tsukuyomi (Nahobino form)
2:37 Lucifer (True form, after consuming God's Knowledge)
Too bad Lucifer sucks in this game, Shiva just makes your team broken 😔
Damn lucifer did you just copy cat Demifiend!
What if it was the other way around?
You do realize that Lucifer made Demifiend into who his is, right? That's established at the beginning of the game
@@soronexle2681 the Magatama are essences of Demons, Lucifer basically took other demons and gave their essence to Naoki and HE developed these skills.
@@jackour8167 You literally just invalidated your own argument.
If the Magatama are the essence of demons, then that means that there's a demon out there that can use these skills.
So, the Demi-Fiend developed JACK SHIT.
@@implord4197 You actually responded just to say that?
Why Lúcifer have Hitoshura Unique Skills and he also have animation O.o???????
Recall who made the Demi Fiend the way he was in the first place.
@@wanderingmarshadow ohhhh i forgot that Lúcifer made him
Man, this game must be so much better with the jp dub
It's litterally the same game, just different takes on character voices.
It's not better, it's the same, stop being a weeb
@@usaminolulu thank you! I honestly don't understand why people seem to hate any English dub. I personally prefer English, but that's because it's the only language I speak and would like to watch the cutscene rather than stare at the subtitles
@@usaminolulu you're playing a japanese game, so you're a weeb too dum dum
@@diegobrando492 consuming Japanese media doesn't make you a weeb tho
@@GodIsDead48 keep telling yourself that, my dude
also, there's no shame on being a weeb, just don't be obnoxious about it
im asian
Is this Lucifer stronger than Adam kadmon form p5?
@Captain Bad Apple. Oh okay makes sense
WAAAAAYYYYY Stronger than anything Persona could bring out, hell most SMT big bads are in another league compare to Persona baddies, tho the Devil Survivor 2 Triagulum Arc final boss might be stronger, can't say.
Course nothing holds a candle to Stephan yet, he's....well he's at the top of the Megaten Food chain.
@@dantemustdie00 yeah Stephen it's pretty op maybe if all persona protagonist fight If they can even put out a good figth against him
@@firebreak2009 he fought the 5 Messiahs (which one "except Kazuya" is strong enough to finish a Persona Main Protagonist with ease) at once. Is really certain that no Persona User can even match him. The closest to him is Joker. But only surpasses Kazuya.
@@firebreak2009 yeah persona is like mid tier in smt at best. Put all of personas big names and lucifer would solo them all
Can't wait till the ps5 release. So I can enjoy this at more than 15fps.