Yep because criminally corrupt Jeremy rhyming name didn't realise there wasn't just one band. However, it's negligible because a couple of fuel tanks later and the EV is ahead of your Merc again. 🤷
Just to note a correction after someone noted in the comments, but VED no longer covers road maintenance. More recently, VED became more closely linked to vehicles’ environmental performance (to reflect wider negative externalities of car usage). That doesn't change the point of this video, but if emissions are more the focus, then it makes the Government's strategy even more open to scrutiny, in my opinion.
With reference to your comment...a classic v8 sports car has already paid 40 years of tax, normally only does a few hundred miles a year and the majority of emissions are from the manufacture of a car.
People who charge at home pay 5% VAT, and that is subsidised by people using electricity for cooking and heating... ICE drivers pay 65% tax+VAT on every litre..
I have run an Ev for 4 years and new that I would have to contribute to the road tax system. But my beef is that someone driving a 10 year old fiesta pays £30 a year yet the last modal year fiesta is £190 how does that work when the tax is supposed to be based on emissions. So to the Ev if it is based on emissions it should be free or £30 but if an Ev has to pay £190 then so should all cars irrespective of age or fuel type. As for the luxury tax I agree with you that should increase with inflation. If the government want to encourage people to make the switch to Ev’s they have a funny way of showing it.
About time too. I'm embarrassed not to pay VED for my ev's. I mean they are as heavy as all the VW campers, pick ups, Range Rovers you see on the roads in ever increasing numbers, so why shouldn't I?
I agree with you that we should contribute but the last time I looked the tax is not based on weight but emissions so if they made all cars irrespective of fuel type pay £190 then ok but why should a 10 year old fiesta pay £30 and me £190
@@stephenclay6852 Why it is clear it is light has decent mpg and a decent emission rating not the best not the worst. Ah and the older a Car gets the more environmentally friendly.
@@Gdank72 yep, exactly. ground pressure increases with weight, it's not rocket science. buses and trucks should obviously be an exception, but why should i have to pay more taxes just so that some entitled nonce can choose to drive his 3 ton death machine and destroy the asphalt for everyone else? not just EVs, even petrol and diesel cars are ridiculously heavy now. Bring back the light cars of the 1990s
People who charge at home pay 5% VAT, and that is subsidised by people using electricity for cooking and heating... ICE drivers pay 65% tax+VAT on every litre...
It was something like 600 million they were losing out on in 2023. Now that sounds like a lot of money ... but total tax it was 0.07% They were projection 1billion in 2025 ... but thats still only 0.12 - 0.13%. I don't mind paying. The system has never been fair ... someone always pays more than someone else. But if the government really wants EV adoption by 2035 then they need to make it no more expensive than owning a Petrol car. If Public Chargers don't come down in cost no one without a driveway or work charger will be interested. With all the misinformation still being spread about EV's they really to work on debunking the fake news.
Classic bait & switch tactics by the Government, they did it with Diesels for over a decade, EVs will be the next cash cow knowing people have little choice going forwards as they phase out ICE vehicles in the next 10 years.
still think the overall savings and benefits to driving an ev will prevail for most people, i mean its not like you wouldnt have to pay road tax on an ice vehicle anyway, it will affect those people who dont have off road parking with the ability to get a cheap ev tariff though
I drive a v12 with smoke belching, mostly oil I think.5 MPG around town and 10 out . I pay £60 road tax and £200 fully comp insurance I love driving around town so more people can see me.
Ridiculous. Everyone should pay road tax but it should be completely reset for all old cars. My diesel BMW is £30 a year, my ID4 will be £190. Needs to be banded in £100 intervals, £100 for EVs, £1000 for big supercars etc.
You are actually correct. I will note a correction. That said, if the tax is not for words, if the car doesn't cause pollution, what should the tax be for?
I'm becoming sick and tired of hearing that EVs do more damage to roads due to weight. Please check the weight of hybrid cars, they have all the running gear of a standard car PLUS motors and batteries, granted the battery pack is not as big but overall they are at least as heavy as an EV. AND don't get me started on HGV's, they apply the same weight per wheel as the total weight of an EV, around 2 tons, difference is an EV spreads it's weight over 4 wheels so half a ton each.
Stop sponging off other motorists because you were gullible enough to fall for the EV hype which has been found out. Good at last !!! The only Labour policy which makes sense. Don't say zero emissions. It takes over ten years for that Tesla to pay back its manufacturing emissions. It's always the same, only push the very few positives never the actual negatives.
All ev drivers duped into buying an ev only to find out they are more expensive to run than petrol or diesel cars and more hassle when going long distances 😂😂😂 oh i forgot. They are worthless after a couple of years as well .
Clearly never looked at the cheap rate of electric it takes to fill a car up with a home charger...my car (kia niro) costs me around £4.50 to charge and i get around 280 miles on that and you cannot even get a gallon of petrol for that...maybe take ya blinkers off
@@neilp7024 Kia Niro electric list price brand new is around £40k. The depreciation will take away any savings you have obtained on fuel. And you’re limited to about 230 miles real world range, less if the weather is not ideal. I regularly go further than 100 miles from my house. I couldn’t just rely on at home charging. I spend about £1.7k on fuel each year. I won’t spend as much on fuel in 10 years as your Kia Niro depreciates. PS why do you think so many people don’t want electric cars if they’re so great?
@@MsJustice4ever who said i brought it brand new....and i am not bothered who buys an ev...i bought two actually cos i can afford them and i wanted them...i also have a motorbike and a diesel car...but i prefer my over all of them.
Ha, so electric car UK base tax rate will be £190 / year, and my diesel Merc will continue to be £20/year. Awesome.
Youll find it'll be more than £20.
Yep because criminally corrupt Jeremy rhyming name didn't realise there wasn't just one band.
However, it's negligible because a couple of fuel tanks later and the EV is ahead of your Merc again. 🤷
Yeah something not right about that but it is the reality. If it was registered before 2017.
Just to note a correction after someone noted in the comments, but VED no longer covers road maintenance. More recently, VED became more closely linked to vehicles’ environmental performance (to reflect wider negative externalities of car usage). That doesn't change the point of this video, but if emissions are more the focus, then it makes the Government's strategy even more open to scrutiny, in my opinion.
With reference to your comment...a classic v8 sports car has already paid 40 years of tax, normally only does a few hundred miles a year and the majority of emissions are from the manufacture of a car.
Another interesting perspective 👍
People who charge at home pay 5% VAT, and that is subsidised by people using electricity for cooking and heating... ICE drivers pay 65% tax+VAT on every litre..
I have run an Ev for 4 years and new that I would have to contribute to the road tax system. But my beef is that someone driving a 10 year old fiesta pays £30 a year yet the last modal year fiesta is £190 how does that work when the tax is supposed to be based on emissions. So to the Ev if it is based on emissions it should be free or £30 but if an Ev has to pay £190 then so should all cars irrespective of age or fuel type. As for the luxury tax I agree with you that should increase with inflation. If the government want to encourage people to make the switch to Ev’s they have a funny way of showing it.
Yeah it doesn't make much sense, eh?
About time too. I'm embarrassed not to pay VED for my ev's. I mean they are as heavy as all the VW campers, pick ups, Range Rovers you see on the roads in ever increasing numbers, so why shouldn't I?
I agree with you that we should contribute but the last time I looked the tax is not based on weight but emissions so if they made all cars irrespective of fuel type pay £190 then ok but why should a 10 year old fiesta pay £30 and me £190
Well send a check to the DLVA - and stop being Sanctimonious. I'm sure they will take it.
Still, it was kinda of ace not to 😁
@@stephenclay6852 Why it is clear it is light has decent mpg and a decent emission rating not the best not the worst. Ah and the older a Car gets the more environmentally friendly.
UK, new era of tax for very little returns!
Quite right too, the additional weight of EV's is a significant contributing factor damaging roads.
It's really not.
This is a good point.
Myth. Do you think large SUV's do more damage? Busses? Trucks? Etc...
@@Gdank72 yep, exactly. ground pressure increases with weight, it's not rocket science. buses and trucks should obviously be an exception, but why should i have to pay more taxes just so that some entitled nonce can choose to drive his 3 ton death machine and destroy the asphalt for everyone else? not just EVs, even petrol and diesel cars are ridiculously heavy now. Bring back the light cars of the 1990s
@@Gdank72 yes just as much
Electricity equates to the fuel tax and that is going up now and will continue to increase…?
People who charge at home pay 5% VAT, and that is subsidised by people using electricity for cooking and heating... ICE drivers pay 65% tax+VAT on every litre...
It is road tax not an enviro tax, emmisions shouldn't come into it at all.
It happened here in New Zealand earlier in the year
It was something like 600 million they were losing out on in 2023. Now that sounds like a lot of money ... but total tax it was 0.07%
They were projection 1billion in 2025 ... but thats still only 0.12 - 0.13%.
I don't mind paying. The system has never been fair ... someone always pays more than someone else. But if the government really wants EV adoption by 2035 then they need to make it no more expensive than owning a Petrol car.
If Public Chargers don't come down in cost no one without a driveway or work charger will be interested.
With all the misinformation still being spread about EV's they really to work on debunking the fake news.
Great points, thanks!
If only the tax was used to maintain the roads it would be well worth it, however it just goes into the general tax pot.
Yeah I realise that now 😤🤣
My 2019 Corsa cost 16K so to me 40K is a very expensive car. You could have 2 and 8K spare for 40K
Yes but 2 thirds of EVs are over 40k new so if you want an EV your options are limited to avoid the ECS.
Any cars less than 40K will become very popular soon.
Yeah could be a bit of a spike!
Classic bait & switch tactics by the Government, they did it with Diesels for over a decade, EVs will be the next cash cow knowing people have little choice going forwards as they phase out ICE vehicles in the next 10 years.
Yip 😤
still think the overall savings and benefits to driving an ev will prevail for most people, i mean its not like you wouldnt have to pay road tax on an ice vehicle anyway, it will affect those people who dont have off road parking with the ability to get a cheap ev tariff though
I think I'm with you on that
I drive one of the v8 diesels you mentioned and pay £735 per year. Try that for size!
I drive a v12 with smoke belching, mostly oil I think.5 MPG around town and 10 out .
I pay £60 road tax and £200 fully comp insurance
I love driving around town so more people can see me.
Ooft!
I agree with the comments you make in the video.
Thank you
Ridiculous. Everyone should pay road tax but it should be completely reset for all old cars. My diesel BMW is £30 a year, my ID4 will be £190. Needs to be banded in £100 intervals, £100 for EVs, £1000 for big supercars etc.
Yeah, I'm just not really getting the logic.
So you want them to charge you MORE ???... What is wrong with you willing idiots???
Its a car tax not a road tax. The money is not used for roads...i drive a EV its a car so i expect to pay tax no problem
You are actually correct. I will note a correction. That said, if the tax is not for words, if the car doesn't cause pollution, what should the tax be for?
Well send a check to the DLVA
You can't tell me a small car like Toyota corolla are not greener they the thing you driving
How exactly?
I'm becoming sick and tired of hearing that EVs do more damage to roads due to weight.
Please check the weight of hybrid cars, they have all the running gear of a standard car PLUS motors and batteries, granted the battery pack is not as big but overall they are at least as heavy as an EV.
AND don't get me started on HGV's, they apply the same weight per wheel as the total weight of an EV, around 2 tons, difference is an EV spreads it's weight over 4 wheels so half a ton each.
Interesting point as well 👍
Time to sell
I wouldn't have not bought my Tesla if I'd known about the tax so not a reason to sell
Another reason for not buying an EV
It's possibly not an incentive to buy an EV
Two tanks of fuel later, the EV has already neutralised the "tax" cost.
Stop sponging off other motorists because you were gullible enough to fall for the EV hype which has been found out. Good at last !!! The only Labour policy which makes sense. Don't say zero emissions. It takes over ten years for that Tesla to pay back its manufacturing emissions. It's always the same, only push the very few positives never the actual negatives.
Sponging off other motorists? I mean, how do I even respond to that?
Budget this month. Things will likely change again under a Labour government. Rumoured 10p/litre increase while vat on rapid charging reduced to 5%
Waiting with bated breath...
is there a plan to scrap the VED if they put 10p per litre on fuel?
@@MarkFromEastleigh No!
All ev drivers duped into buying an ev only to find out they are more expensive to run than petrol or diesel cars and more hassle when going long distances 😂😂😂 oh i forgot. They are worthless after a couple of years as well .
That's why I would never own an EV. I believe there are many benefits of them but one I don't want to worry about is depreciation.
Clearly never looked at the cheap rate of electric it takes to fill a car up with a home charger...my car (kia niro) costs me around £4.50 to charge and i get around 280 miles on that and you cannot even get a gallon of petrol for that...maybe take ya blinkers off
@@neilp7024not everyone can charge at home . EVs work for some people but not for all. Maybe “take ya blinkers off”.
@@neilp7024 Kia Niro electric list price brand new is around £40k. The depreciation will take away any savings you have obtained on fuel. And you’re limited to about 230 miles real world range, less if the weather is not ideal.
I regularly go further than 100 miles from my house. I couldn’t just rely on at home charging. I spend about £1.7k on fuel each year. I won’t spend as much on fuel in 10 years as your Kia Niro depreciates.
PS why do you think so many people don’t want electric cars if they’re so great?
@@MsJustice4ever who said i brought it brand new....and i am not bothered who buys an ev...i bought two actually cos i can afford them and i wanted them...i also have a motorbike and a diesel car...but i prefer my over all of them.