Pointless - hardly. Unachievable, well that depends upon resolve. People who believe it's too expensive will be crying the most when their homes are inundated and granny, grandad and grandchildren start expiring when intensely hot summers mean they cannot maintain a body temperature conducive to life. You have been warned but Conservative right wing types will forget this warning in 20 years time. Such people are intellectually incapable of understanding or comprehending the sh*t we are in. Johnson, our illustrious former PM, was a classic example of the impossibility of these people to deal with planet wide emergencies effectively. They simply do not believe our civilisation has to change. They are, of course, dangerously wrong and will imperil all of us.
I'm having bonfires now, never had to. But since all the green polices coming in I have to. Bin bags limited to 2 bags every 2 weeks. Regardless if you are a single person or a family of 4. It remains as 2. Now they refuse the accept pizza boxes and other card items. On top of that in the recycling. So now, I bought a garden incinerator. Else I can not get rid of I the waste. So by being green, they have forced people to burn rubbish.
I wish you were right but the agenda seems to be imprisonment into zones for us all. No cars, no independent travel plans. Do as we say or else. In other words compliant slaves.
@@nathansmith7153 Greatest scam of the century.Its practiced on naive people who do not see who is pulling the strings in the background.Its been debunked by people who actually know the truth,But good luck with having no Oil in the future.China and India plough on will the West destroys itself.
@@nathansmith7153 Why is he clueless? Perhaps you'd like to explain why we need "margin costing" on wholesale electricity markets? Do you even know what that is? Or are you clueless?
Trust the Globalists, trust MSM, Trust Mainstream Politicians, Trust anything left, trust the science ( what/which science), Trust the WEF, Trust the WHO! Sod off! Ive got a brain and a healthy dose of common sense!
A very apt comment. It is long past time we should all work out our own opinions which evidently are more likely to be beneficial than those of every self seeking politician, corrupt ‘Expert’ and career bureaucrat.
It is a popular delusion that man’s effects on the Earth’s climate are significant and dangerous. It is a popular delusion that transitioning to non fossil fuel energy sources will be cheap and easy. These ridiculous popular delusions afflict all levels of society including WEF members. Popular delusions are dangerous and can lead to economic ruin, and genocide.
It's worse than that, the climate model used to justify this multi-billion dollar industry is RCP8.5 unrealistic and not close to apocalyptic. It is now a belief structure which disregards science and is considered the biggest existential threat by those under 40 in the West and the associated mental illness that goes with being doomed. Al Gore reckoned by 2017 we were done. I believe he manages a fund from a beach front property, so I guess he is not too concerned. Now if you start talking Nuclear power or growing algae as a carbon trap those in favour of us plebs leading lesser lives are strangely resistant to talking about solutions they cannot profit by.
The fact that Liz Truss blamed everyone from thr Freemasons to Little Green Men from Mars for her catastrophic Budget should tell you all you need to know about her.
It's the case that the members of general public with brains have woken up to the scam and now the criminals in Government are trying to roll it back ......
@@chrispark9343 don't YOU understand it or are you just a repeater for Sharon at the hairdresser you goto who's aglobal leader in science? Coming from a farming background I think I have a rough idea how co2 works 🤣🤣🤣
@@vandamonium1731 Sharon at the hairdresser? Where did that come from? I am a professional engineer who actually knows about CO2. I respect farmers greatly but I really don't think you understand atmospheric CO2
That’s nonsense. Green land has decreased through massive deforestation and some crops affected by extreme weather - food shortages and famine will be normal in coming few decades. Unfortunately too many people on planet. Nothing we can do about climate.
@@samhodgins9804 The ROC system that Labour introduced didn't put levies on bills, in fact if energy companies actually had installed target levels of renewables there would have not been any extra cost. The scheme benefited companies that fulfilled their obligation and penalised those that didn't. It's the ones that didn't that cost all consumer. Since then the Tories have changed the system and replaced ROCs with CfDs. The high bill costs in the last couple of years have been due to gas prices not renewables. In fact my bill this month is the lowest it's been for 4 years despite more renewables. This is largely due to stability in the gas supply after years of instability. Historically fossil fuels have been responsible for major international problems both economic and conflicts, including WWII in which both Germany and Japan sought to secure fossil fuel resources by invasion. Russia today is using fossil fuels as a weapon and is one of the primary reasons for invading Ukraine for coal, iron ore etc.
Referendums are nonsense. Have one if you must but Governments are not obliged to take any notice otherwise a real BREXIT would have happened and we would not be having most of the problems we now have. Control by Lies . fear and invented or politically motivated pretend emergencies .
Who are you to say it's unattainable? You will certainly never attain it. Clever, dedicated people who actually care about a liveable future CAN do it.
@@edru8567 nope. The money’s not there, the skilled people required aren’t there, the energy is not there and the stuff required is not there, so it’s not happening. “In a contest between platitudes and physics, physics remains undefeated” Doomberg.
@@DrRock2009 of course, physics rocks and through the inventive application of physics the job COULD get done but standing around stating it will never get done will certainly prove you right
The elephant in the room that they didn't address, is that even if there was a climate crisis, driven by man-made carbon dioxide (there isn't); going to 'net-zero' in the UK and Europe wouldn't make a jot of difference, because China, India and other Asian countries are massively increasing their output.
@@chrispark9343 Not irrelevant at all for the point being made. The whole green push has nothing to do with co2 or the environment, but pop. control. All the measures being pushed to reduce carbon are maliciously designed to reduce pop. size, not to "save the environment.". In all that effort to be pedantic, yaa somehow missed the point being made with the choice of words used.
Please here in the Netherlands we're told we're in for a drought yet a week ago we had the most rain fall in one day that we normally get in a month. It rains almost everyday there's water everywhere. Do people really believe all this rubbish 😂😂😂
If remember the snow, decades ago. Now its hardly any for a few days. Now all you get is rain, rain and more rain. So instead of dry summer, you will get a drenched one. Its the same for the food crops, there will be poor harvests if any.
"We were meant to be under water a few years back" That is a lie. The science has never said that. In fact of all the predictions sea level rise is the slowest to change. But even so we are already seeing some impacts.
@@stewartkingsleyThe increase in rain is due to geoengineering which has been going on for over a century now in different forms and before that to a less widespread extent even as far back as the 1800s. It's amazing how ignorant and unaware people our on how much the climate is modified through geoengineering.
@@stewartkingsley Milankovitch cycle qoute from NASA these Cycles also play key roles in Earth’s short-term weather and long-term climate. A century ago, Serbian scientist Milutin Milankovitch hypothesized the long-term, collective effects of changes in Earth’s position relative to the Sun are a strong driver of Earth’s long-term climate, and are responsible for triggering the beginning and end of glaciation periods (Ice Ages).
We had this with the hole in the ozone layer, then acid rain, encouraged to buy diesel cars, then LPG, stopped 4 star petrol, now we have E10 petrol...sick of net zero, it just means more tax in the end and then once the net zero fad is over it will be something else that will have to be found to scare the public with.
Almost like it's a multi trillion dollar green scam. I do know grown adults that still believe there's a climate crisis!. Which I find quite remarkable!
You have to be really stupid to pick two problems (ozone hole and acid rain) that were fixed by a change in policy and technology and then make out it was wrong to make those changes.
China still uses CFCs since they don't care about International law or any treaty bans. They also still do not clean the pollution with scrubbing since Europe and US did since the 70s which put a stop to acid rain. Asian countries get China's acid rain. No one will stop China polluting and something people believe the CC religion can't work out is if renewables were cheaper than fossil fuels why hasn't China transitioned. No. Instead China is still opening massive numbers of coal power plants and they tell us the reason is for cheaper electric. If renewables were cheaper then China would be 100% by now for even better competitive edge with their manufacturing.
Data confirming the predictions of anthropogenic climate change regarding temperature, ice cap melt, sea level rise, falling ocean pH and much more have established the reality of ACC beyond a reasonable scientific doubt.
Unfortunately Zoe is living in a dream world. We are currently pouring vast amounts of money and resources into this farce and it is making very little difference. Heat pumps are just way too expensive and don't fit our variable climate well or our old poorly insulated housing stock. If only they would have a more rational approach helping people to insulate their homes better rather than subsidising insanely expensive heat pumps. Similarly it would have been better to encourage the use of hybrid vehicles rather than EVs because it is something where the technology is there to actually save people money and at the same time reduce the amount of fossil fuels consumed. This is to say nothing of the fact that even if we could all afford all these green upgrades there aren't enough engineers and technicians to design and install it all and there aren't enough raw materials like copper to make them in the first place.
Hybrid vehicles are as much of a farce as the rest of the net zero ideology. Where I work, they are currently replacing, with much government coercion it must be said, 65 - 70mpg diesel Astras with MG hybrids that are giving us 27mpg. And this is saving the planet apparently.
@@stewartkingsley I already said that in the OP, we should be investing in making sure existing heating systems are running as efficiently as possible and that insulation is as good as practical on homes. This would be a far better use of tax payer money that huge subsidies on heat pumps and would reduce peoples bills at the same time as reducing overall gas consumption more than expensive heat pumps for the few. Hybrid cars rather than EVs are a much better solution because they cost less to produce both economically and environmental impact. Money wasted on EV development could have been used to make ICE cars vastly more efficient at minimal extra purchase price and needed minimal infrastructure changes for charging. It's a pragmatic rather than dogmatic approach and is actually realisable rather than a pipe dream.
The WEF : we know what the climate will be like in 30 years. The Met office : We can't tell you accurately what the weather will be like next Tuesday....🤔
Now you're being really silly, there's far more money in oil. Renewables are cheaper and benefit the ordinary people far more than oil. Do more homework
Which MP? I mean I invest in renewables just by paying my electricity bill which is the cheapest it's been for 4 years despite there being more renewables. What put up my bills was gas prices.
@@24ct_G Too late Angus, we've over commited to wind power, there is no room in the generation mix to make Nuclear of any economic use, that's why the goverment has kicked nuclear down the road
Oxygen is a life giver but to much of it or to little kills. The point is CO2 is a gas which is known to keep this planet warm, to little and it cools, to much and it gets to hot. The science started 200 years ago with Herschel.
Which has nothing to do with the role of CO2 in atmospheric physics. It is plant food for weeds and crops grown under high CO2 concentrations have reduced nutritional value.
There is not enough copper mining capacity on the planet to meet even just the EV part of Net Zero. A recent report has stated that globally, over the next 10 years, we would have to mine (using fossil fuelled plant)115% more copper than has been mined all over the world since copper mining started......and that's just for EVs. An EV uses 3x more copper than and ICE vehicle, and this is before you take into account other things like infrastructure upgrades to meet the demands of things like wind farms, solar panels, battery storage, AI computer processing, heat pumps......the list goes on. Net Zero is a fantasy!
The EV scam is to force cars off the road.. WEF agenda wants no one travelling or having cars, easier to control that way.. those who can afford them will get them then they will ban fuel driven ones.. plus dont forget the EV sont last forever.. unlike engine driven cars which can be repaired with odd parts and scrap etc the EV battery has only so many charges then needs replacing.. ' you will own nothing and you will be happy..' WEF or 1984
Have you heard of a material called aluminium? It's used as a conductor as well as copper. Most high voltage grid cables and HVDC cables use aluminium. As an example It's also used in EV batteries and for connecting EV batteries to the motor, basically applications with a high current (power). This reduces the amount of copper used.
The moment someone says Net Zero is about 'Saving the Planet' instantly labels themselves a fool. This planet will be here long after our species has died off. No matter what humans do.
It's immaterial how big the house is, it's how well insulated that house is, and most homes would need thousands spending on insulation upgrades for heat pumps to be effective.
I had a quote just to find out some facts, they quoted £9200 after the £5000 grant was taken off. Nobody came round to look at my house but I was assured my existing radiator’s were ok and thats why the quote was so cheap. Furthermore I was told that 18 degrees was the best I could expect to get from it. The only way they make any sense is in new builds with underfloor heating. Retro fitting is pointless.
I fit heat pumps as part of my job. They are effective and are getting better all the time,but it does depend on how well the system is designed and fitted. Yes it's true that they work better with underfloor heating as the output temperature needed is lower than is needed for radiators. You have to be sensible about it and temperatures of 18-20°c are reasonable and easily achievable for these systems. Pretty much all of the systems that we fit have a COP, (coefficient of performance) that average about 3-3.5 : 1. By this I mean that for every kilowatt of power used these systems are producing between 3 and 3.5 kilowatts of heat , we have some that are operating at over 5 : 1. The thing is getting the pumps to generate more heat drops the COP. Norway uses a lot of heat pumps and they are a relatively cool country, our biggest problem with the heat pumps is the cost of our electricity, which is the most expensive in Europe and that is down to the government and the net zero crowd. We need to invest in nuclear power not wind farms and solar farms where the vast majority of the subsidies are going abroad because they're owned by foreign investors.
@@patrickhosking613 You make some good points but what I found odd was that my quote was made without anyone coming to my house. I was asked if I had double rads which I do and it was therefore concluded that they wouldn’t need upgrading even though I had heard most do, I had the thought that had I given the go ahead this would have changed.Furthermore if we are sitting watching tv in the middle of winter my wife certainly would not consider 18C adequate. Consequently I won’t be changing anytime soon.
we fund the government not the other way around so we actually have the right to say NO thank you , you have no right to make any citizen do anything without a referendum , it is called democracy which most have forgotten what that really is , we dont have it here in the uk
@@andywarrington4738You're a subject, not a citizen. You have no rights, only privileges. You will obey and pay or go without, possibly both. This is worldwide now.
Liz Truss was the first Conservative Party Leader and Prime Minister since Thatcher. She was never going to last, too many CINOs in the party (Conservative In Name Only). The WEF wanted their lackey Sunak to continue destroying the UK, so she had to go.
Talk Sport had someone on a few weeks back claiming that "football was under threat from climate change". One of her reasons to support this was "three non-league games were postponed due to waterlogged pitches last season". Stupidity above and beyond. Of course, the two presenters fawned over her every word, her ludicrous hysteria going uncontested.
Total crap the whole thing, my ex wife got a quote for completely "greening" her rented property and the price nearly made me fall over. Nobody EVER will be able to afford it.
@@philiphughes4117 Excellent, never been called a troll before. I often drive the M62 for business, do you? I take my company laptop with me to program stuff. Using home desktop now. Back to the topic though, notice how it's called net zero not gross zero by the way.
It's a money siphoning (theft) scam. We the Australian people made the money and will pay off any debt incurred by our government borrowing money to push this idiotic agenda.
Yeah, it makes Zero sense( net or otherwise) and EV-ery aspect is delusional ! (And yet ALL major political parties are hyper -spining this infantile fairy tale--and that's just "GRIMM" )
@@mosheridan7016 just like Nathan says, are you so selfish that you are happy to allow life on Earth to be destroyed by oil and greed when there is a better way? If you have kids are you happy for them to suffer for your ignorance?
@@mosheridan7016 Excuse me idiot but we live on a finite planet with finite resources and greedy materialists like you are trashing the planet. Presumably because you don't give a damn about anybody else.
Years ago i belonged to both greenpeace and friends of the earth. I learned from going to both their meetings that both organisations where only interested in money. Also the "facts" they both talked about to the public where either made up (false) or greatly exaggerated.
Wind has a low energy density and wind power is centuries out of date. Wind farms only exist due to massive taxpayer funded subsidies. They make no economic sense. They are a colossal waste of taxpayers money and resources (including coal and oil). Solar panels are only useful as a supplement in sunny areas between the 35th parallels. They make no economic sense in cloudy upper latitude areas such as the UK. The carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels are largely beneficial. Benefits include greening of the planet with increased agricultural yields (main effect) reduced winter heating costs, fewer deaths from hypothermia and postponement of the next glacial maximum. This is especially so in cold areas such as the UK. Net Zero is economically destructive delusional insanity. It needs to be urgently abandoned and the most economical energy resources available need to be utilised.
I totally agree. Even without technical knowledge, you only need to honestly look at the last few decades to see in your own environment and experience to realise that the efforts to change the climate make no sense.
I have a heat pump, it uses a lot of electricity and when the outside temperature gets to freezing point it only produces cool temperatures and we must use our gas furnace to achieve anything close to a comfortable temperature. If you live in a cold climate ( like Canada) good luck when it gets to 10 below or on those 30 to 40 below days. Not to mention what will happen when the power grid goes down trying to keep up with all the heat pumps and electric vehicles charging. Then throw in a grid trying to rely on solar panels covered in snow and wind turbines frozen solid or without wind. This is an insanely stupid idea on every front. Cheap reliable energy versus expensive unreliable energy, is this so difficult to grasp?
If you can’t predict the weather for the next 3 days you don’t have the right to tell us about it in 20 years. Also, climate change is a thing, it happens every couple millennia. Instead of trying to stop/change it why don’t we look at trying to prepare for it?
One of the main drivers of climate change is changes in GHG concentrations in the atmosphere. . This is exactly what human activity is increasing with our burning of fossil fuels and changes in land use.
@@Richard482 steady on Dick.... Co2 has gone from a gnats fart 0.03% pre industrial revolution to a slightly higher gnats fart of 0.04% currently. And bearing in mind co2 works logarithmically with temperature, I'd say it's effect is virtually nothing. Also bearing in mind the positives of slightly higher co2 levels.... A greening of the earth for decades now, and crop yields are up globally, partly because of slightly higher co2, I'd say it's obviously beneficial to the planet. Also bearing in mind that none of the doom and gloom scaremongering bs scenarios of the past came true, because they were predominantly bs, and yet here you are thinking theat the obviously politicised climate "crisis" bs will. I mean talk about being behind the curve. Climate change virtue signalling is over fella, even Greta has abandoned it and become a middle east political expert. Get on another bandwagon if I was you.... One that has some legs, the vast bulk of people now, are waking up to this "green" scam!
@@playasurf1000 Richard is a regular climate bedwetter... Or shall I say virtue signaller..... Bearing in mind he's on his fossil fuel created and powered electronic device on youtube whose energy consumption has gone up year on year! 🤪
The concern about the inability to track government funds is a valid one. It's essential for governments to maintain transparency and accountability in their financial transactions, especially when it comes to public funds. Without proper tracking mechanisms, there is a risk of misuse or mismanagement of public money, which can have serious consequences for the economy and public trust in the government. they will rob us blind as they already have
Re the "got the last word" lady: Being halfhearted doesn't change the faulty cost projections. The projects still costs 50-70% more and the benefits power vs investment are still abysmal and below nameplate. No matter what you do THERE IS NO SUN HALF THE TIME and the wind doesn't always blow / is too weak / too strong. And the transmission loss from generator to enduser is still significant.
The very concept of international law is bollocks, the only bodies with the legitimate power to write laws are governments of countries, whatever form that government takes.There is no "international" government,at least for now, thank fuck.
International laws are created through agreements and are in the best interests of all nations. What we had without them, especially in Europe was hundreds of years of wars because countries made their own laws and rules. eg. International law defines the boundaries of water around nations and hence reduce conflicts over those waters. The reality is the very problems you highlight are generally caused by people that don't want to recognise the laws. You are an example of why international laws fail. You are the problem that you are highlighting.
@@nigelbagguley7606 That is your conspiratorial delusion. We have had international laws for centuries, long before the UN existed, they have nothing to do with national domestic laws.
International treaties and agreements slowly bind us beneath international law so our own constitutional and common law becomes worthless. This is how they are planning to establish one world government. Treaty by treaty, agreement by agreement .. and all binding beneath International law! It's death by treaty! Our government won't even let us look at the free trade agreements they have made (citing commercial in-confidence) so who knows what the hell is in those or in other treaties and agreements that our treasonous governments have signed?
There are large plots across London awaiting development because the present electricity grid isn't up to powering all the heat pumps that the Green Marxist Conservative government has mandated for new builds. With wind, when it does, and solar, on sunny days, it never will be.
The sxxt hits the fan when we begin to scrap fossil fuels, no petrol. No diesel,no gas. that heats most buildings, no oil. For hundreds of items. Only electricity so how much must we increase our supplies, and how is this tobe done. Some estimate our capacity must quadruple. From 100 Gigawatts to 400 Gigawatts. for fossils, and also increased population, computers centres, and A I.
There is no climate crisis. There is change, but there is nothing that we can, or should do about it, as the climate has always changed in cycles. Let's not forget that CO2 means life to plants, and trees, and is needed for so many other uses.
@@Richard482It indeed has a name…can’t recall it just now…concern the slight variability over millennia of the shape of the earths orbit around the sun
@@Richard482solar cycles, precession, etc. Certainly not CO². You could double CO² and it would have a negligible effect on warming as it lags, generally, behind warming, not prior to warming..but you'll already know this, hopefully.
@@CobinRain You're referring to Milankovitch Cycles. These take place over times scales far too slowly to explain the rapid warming being recorded. Why Milankovitch Cycles start the process of taking the planet out of a full glaciation (or indeed into one), it's the resulting changes in greenhouse gas concentrations, like carbon dioxide, that make the effect global. According to Milankovitch theory, the planet should be cooling very slowly towards the next full glaciation, not rapidly warming.
@@Richard482 Bond cycles. Minoan, roman, medieval, current warm periods and dark age, little ice age cold periods, occurs every 1000 years between peaks.
Call me a cynic but I suspect net zero will be cancelled by any potential upcoming international conflict but things will be built back better after :)
Trying to reduce CO2 is the same as saying "Don't let plants grow better, faster, bigger and stronger." The earth is greener now than it has been for 1000s of years. The time to worry is when vegetation starts dying, which it would do without enough CO2. A clue on this should be obvious to the public by market gardeners pumping CO2 into their greenhouses, raising the CO2 levels to 1500 PPM. They wouldn't do this if it was a bad thing to have more CO2.
Very few politicians are informed of Solar effects on weather and climate patterns. Repeated Solar patterns and cycles are mostly ignored in the overall debate. Britain has a good many eminent observeres of Solar activity in recent centuries. Worth reading up.
1966: oil gone in 10yrs 1967: dire famine forecast by 1975 1968: overpopulation will spread worldwide 1969: everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989 1970: the world will use up all its natural resources by 2000, urban citizens will require gas masks by 1985, nitrogen build-up will make all land unusable, decaying pollution will kill all the fish, killer bees, ice age by 2000 and America will be subject to water rationing by 1974 and food rationing by 1980 1971: new ice age coming by 2020 or 2030 1972: new ice age by 2070 and oil depleted in 20yrs 1974: space satellites show new ice age coming fast, ozone depletion and "Great peril to life" 1976: scientific consensus planet cooling and famines imminent 1977: department of energy says oil will peak in the 90s 1978: no end in sight to 30yr cooling trend 1980: acid rain kills life in lakes and peak oil in 2000 1988: regional droughts in the 90s, temperatures in DC will hit record highs and Maldives will be underwater by 2018 1989: rising sea levels will obliterate nations if nothing is done by 2000 and New York City's West Side Highway will be underwater by 2019 1996: peak oil in 2020 2000: children won't know what snow is 2002: famine in 10yrs if we don't give up eating meat, fish and dairy and peak oil in 2010 2004: Britain will be Siberia by 2024 2005: Manhattan will be underwater by 2015 2006: super hurricanes 2008: the Arctic will be ice free by 2018 and Climate Genius Al Gore predicts an ice free Arctic by 2013 2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles says we have 96 months to save the world, UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown says we have 50 days to "save the planet from catastrophe" and Climate Genius Al Gore moves his 2013 prediction of an ice free Arctic to 2014 2013: the Arctic will be ice free by 2015 2014: only 500 days before "Climate chaos" 2018 A top climate scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels by 2023...Greta Doomberg. 2019: Hey Greta, we need you to convince them it's really going to happen this time 2020 Greta Thunderberg global warming will cause temperatues to rise to 80 degrees celsius and drown 80% of the population. 2024 Greta still alive. 2024 WEF
I am an electrician and I do some work for a builder who had an air source heat pump fitted to his own house, he did more than the minimum requested insulation upgrades, he has got underfloor heating installed on both floors which is more efficient for heat pumps, it's just an average sized four bed detached house and last winter it was costing him over £500 a month to heat his home, he ended up turning it off and got a wood burner installed. To put it into context my 80s built 4 bed detached with a condensing gas boiler was costing us less than £100 per month to heat, we also cook with gas. Even with our electric cost added to the gas we still never paid more than £180 a month combined.
Net Zero would be catastrophic for humanity. It is only because of the increase in CO2 that we are currently able to produce enough food to feed 8 billion people. Net Zero can ONLY lead to the return of widespread famine. The ONLY world metric that has actually changed in perfect step with CO2 has been crop yields. 50 years ago 3rd world crop yields per hectare were half the current output, (1st world yields were a 1/4 of today's) The world could not produce enough food for 4 billion people with about 1 million famine deaths every year which is more deaths in one year from 4 billion than over the last 23 years from up to 8 billion. Co2 feeds the world,
How does food production work when there is either continuous flooding, or there is no water at all? In the UK many crop yields have been zero because the fields were sodden and everything rotted. Other places it has been so dry that the yields have dropped to unsustainable levels. This is now, not 50 years ago. Dont you realise that things have changed and the reality is that food production is at a crisis point.
@@stewartkingsley The increased food production on other land takes up the slack as it has always tried to. If we returned to the food production levels of 50 years ago. there would be 50% less total food production available to cover any local losses. If you loose 10% of 2 tonnes of food you still end up with more food than if you lost 10% of 1 tonne of food.
No. The increase in food production is due to the Green Revolution or Third Agricultural Revolution of the 20th century. In the late 1960s, farmers began incorporating new technologies such as high-yielding varieties of cereals, particularly dwarf wheat and rice, and the widespread use of chemical fertilizers. Net zero means not adding further to the increase in CO2 concentration, currently 425 ppm and rising at 2.5 ppm per year. It will not lead to widespread famine. The world metric that has changed in 'perfect step with CO2 is global average temperature, at the predicted rate of 3 C per doubling of CO2 concentration. But ocean pH has also fallen at the predicted rate.
@@pshehan1 You are totally wrong, 1st world introduced better farming techniques the 3rd world did not which is why first world yields quadrupled and 3rd world yields doubled. Subsistence farmers in the 3rd world are NOT huge Monsanto customers. Global temperature have not changes significantly over the last 100 years if you do not believe me look at any rural (to avoid any heat island effect) long term daily thermometer archives. any that extend over 100 years show a slight cooling or no trend. CO2 CANNOT cause significant warming its effect is measured at 3.7W/m2 per doubling ((even the IPCC admit that) so if CO2 doubled to 850ppm the total CO2 shielding would increase by just 3.7W/m2 so from the current 398W/m2 to 401.7W/m2 or a surface temperature change of 0.7 degrees. (16.296 to 16.967- 16.296) The only gas that CO2 could replace in the atmosphere would be water vapor (a more powerful greenhouse gas (4.7W/m2 per doubling).
@@davebrown6552 "The Green Revolution, or the Third Agricultural Revolution, was a period of technology transfer initiatives that saw greatly increased crop yields.[1][2] These changes in agriculture began in developed countries in the early 20th century and spread globally until the late 1980s.[3] In the late 1960s, farmers began incorporating new technologies such as high-yielding varieties of cereals, particularly dwarf wheat and rice, and the widespread use of chemical fertilizers (to produce their high yields, the new seeds require far more fertilizer than traditional varieties[4]), pesticides, and controlled irrigation. At the same time, newer methods of cultivation, including mechanization, were adopted, often as a package of practices to replace traditional agricultural technology.[5] This was often in conjunction with loans conditional on policy changes being made by the developing nations adopting them, such as privatizing fertilizer manufacture and distribution.[4]" Wikipedia and references cited therein. Instrumental temperature records go back to 1850 and show a warming of about 1.4 C over the last century. In testimony before Congress by skeptic Judith Curry, satellite temperature data was declared the "gold standard" and "best we have" and RSS data was sworn by when skeptics were claiming a temperature pause from 1998 to 2015. The first IPCC report in 1991 gave the most likely temperature rise with each doubling of CO2 concentration, the equilibrium climate sensitivity or ECS as 3 C. The warming due to CO2 alone increases the average global temperature by 1.1 C. It is feedbacks, positive and negative, including the fact that a warmer atmosphere holds more water gas which results in the Equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) being 3 C. CO2 does not replace H2O in the atmosphere, it increases it. RSS satellite temperature trend from 1979 to February 2024 Trend: 0.210°C/decade The temperature change for the 4.5 decades is 0.95 C. Mauna Loa CO2 concentration rise 338 to 422 ppm. So according to the logarithmic relationship between temperature and CO2 concentration, for the period in question 0.95 = k ln(422/338) Solving the equation gives the proportionality constant, k= 4.26 So the temperature rise with doubling of CO2 concentration (ECS) and including the 24% error is 4.26 x ln2 = 4.26 x 0.693 = 3.0 C The warming is not due to the sun as solar intensity has been declining for decades toward the Grand Solar Minimum. Also, if the temperature rise was caused by increasing solar radiation, the troposphere and stratosphere would both warm. If caused by an increase in greenhouse gases, the troposphere would warm and the stratosphere would cool. That was predicted in1967, and has been shown to be what is happening by satellite data. Syukuro Manabe, the surviving scientist who made the prediction (his collaborator Richard Wetherald had since died) was awarded the Nobel prize in physics in 2021. So the data agrees with the earlier IPCC models and paleodata putting the most likely value of the ECS at 3 C.
"Do our bit to save planet" Does everyone just repeat popular lines these days without really thinking about what is coming out of their mouth?! "Doing your bit" will neither kill nor save this planet. It was here before we came along, and it'll be here long after we've gone.
The term climatic change appeared in the title of a scientific publication in 1955. The term global warming did not appear until 1975. Pollster Frank Luntz advised the Bush administration that the phrase "global warming" should be abandoned in favour of "climate change", which he called a "less frightening" phrase than the former. In 1988, the IPCC, not the IPGW was formed.
Study the physics of Venus, an atmosphere that is thick with carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide and many other greenhouse gasses.... The surface temperature is hundreds of degrees and no water, at all! Physics is undefeated and is coming to the Earth.
Politicians are great at spending other people’s money until it runs out. They NEVER feel the consequences of their stupid actions. They always walk away unscathed and leave a trail of devastation behind them.
30 years ago the VED moved from engine size to CO2 emissions. But man made CO2 is not causing climate change. We saw during the world wide covid lockdown when CO2 emissions plummeted that it made no difference.
The “reason we are going ahead” has nothing to do with misinformation. Politicians are not that thick they are following their bosses instructions. WEF and UN. Without plastics there will be no NHS
Isn't the goal to make us poorer ? "You'll own nothing but you'll be happy" EV mandates, renewable energy, heat pumps, ... All that stuff will be extremely expensive.
Great that these people discussing this, which has been violently disallowed until very recently. They need to go further, much further and expose the dangerous decarbonisation agenda. The people pushing this need to be investigated, their motives are very questionable.
The only thing we know about CO2, aside from the fact that it doesn't cause temperature change, is that it dramatically reduces the amount of irrigation water crops needs. Irrigation water is the true crisis of this century.
Net Zero is what you get when stupidity collides with unaccountably.
Bingo
You will get more quangos when Labour get in accountable to no one and dictating policy.
and greed
Clearly you have no clue about the state of the planet either
@@nathansmith7153 So enlighten us
Net zero is the greatest govt con ever. Pointless and unachievable in any event.
Pointless - hardly. Unachievable, well that depends upon resolve. People who believe it's too expensive will be crying the most when their homes are inundated and granny, grandad and grandchildren start expiring when intensely hot summers mean they cannot maintain a body temperature conducive to life. You have been warned but Conservative right wing types will forget this warning in 20 years time. Such people are intellectually incapable of understanding or comprehending the sh*t we are in. Johnson, our illustrious former PM, was a classic example of the impossibility of these people to deal with planet wide emergencies effectively. They simply do not believe our civilisation has to change. They are, of course, dangerously wrong and will imperil all of us.
second only to convid
The emperors new clothes.
It's more the case that the general public has woken up to the scam and now they are trying to roll it back ......
How is it a confidence trick exactly?
We need to scrap NET zero right NOW
Zero immigration is whats needed
Bonfire protests.
Had a friend who before they moved had bonfires daily for the last 5 years. If it could burn it got burnt.
The U N exempted 70 % of the world's population so they not playing fair by the West at all.
All of warming theory IS MALICIOUS FANTASY
I'm having bonfires now, never had to. But since all the green polices coming in I have to.
Bin bags limited to 2 bags every 2 weeks. Regardless if you are a single person or a family of 4. It remains as 2.
Now they refuse the accept pizza boxes and other card items. On top of that in the recycling.
So now, I bought a garden incinerator. Else I can not get rid of I the waste.
So by being green, they have forced people to burn rubbish.
It's completely fictional. Total idiocy.
I think it's worse than mere idiocy. It's an evil totalitarian ideology, and its propaganda is Goebbals-like in its techniques.
Net zero is just another tax for something that UK has absolutely no control over.
I wish you were right but the agenda seems to be imprisonment into zones for us all. No cars, no independent travel plans. Do as we say or else. In other words compliant slaves.
The greatest scam of the century.
Oh I dont know...acid rain in the 80's, ozone layer scares 90's etc etc came close 😂😂 all money making scams..
Sorry that you are the most clueless
@@nathansmith7153 Greatest scam of the century.Its practiced on naive people who do not see who is pulling the strings in the background.Its been debunked by people who actually know the truth,But good luck with having no Oil in the future.China and India plough on will the West destroys itself.
@@nathansmith7153 Why is he clueless? Perhaps you'd like to explain why we need "margin costing" on wholesale electricity markets? Do you even know what that is? Or are you clueless?
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Trust the Globalists, trust MSM, Trust Mainstream Politicians, Trust anything left, trust the science ( what/which science), Trust the WEF, Trust the WHO! Sod off! Ive got a brain and a healthy dose of common sense!
Trust nobody
A very apt comment. It is long past time we should all work out our own opinions which evidently are more likely to be beneficial than those of every self seeking politician, corrupt ‘Expert’ and career bureaucrat.
Trust the $cience.
Trust Iggy Pop.
It is a popular delusion that man’s effects on the Earth’s climate are significant and dangerous.
It is a popular delusion that transitioning to non fossil fuel energy sources will be cheap and easy.
These ridiculous popular delusions afflict all levels of society including WEF members.
Popular delusions are dangerous and can lead to economic ruin, and genocide.
Well done to Andrew Montford and Liz Truss plus of course the REFORM party for calling out the net zero con trick
It's worse than that, the climate model used to justify this multi-billion dollar industry is RCP8.5 unrealistic and not close to apocalyptic. It is now a belief structure which disregards science and is considered the biggest existential threat by those under 40 in the West and the associated mental illness that goes with being doomed. Al Gore reckoned by 2017 we were done. I believe he manages a fund from a beach front property, so I guess he is not too concerned. Now if you start talking Nuclear power or growing algae as a carbon trap those in favour of us plebs leading lesser lives are strangely resistant to talking about solutions they cannot profit by.
Because the rain in the UK is healthy, though impossible to plant crops as they go mouldy.
@@stewartkingsley Yeah, we gave up growing food in 1529
The fact that Liz Truss blamed everyone from thr Freemasons to Little Green Men from Mars for her catastrophic Budget should tell you all you need to know about her.
Boring nonsense ,,Stopop boring the world with your Putin inspired BS ,
Abandon nut zero now! Repeal the 2008 Climate Change Act, get rid of the Climate Change Committee.
People of the public are sick of this cult. The government and the shareholders of any companies are responsible
Net Zero Will Never Happen Anywhere.
It might do.
It might do.
Of course it won't.
It's the case that the members of general public with brains have woken up to the scam and now the criminals in Government are trying to roll it back ......
Certainly not in China, India or South America where it might make a difference.
Some of us have known this from the start
Because your...... smart! lol
isnt it funny how many years ago in schools chilren were taught that co2 was life
Do you actually understand the science behind global warming and greenhouse gases? No, I thought not
@@chrispark9343 don't YOU understand it or are you just a repeater for Sharon at the hairdresser you goto who's aglobal leader in science? Coming from a farming background I think I have a rough idea how co2 works 🤣🤣🤣
@@vandamonium1731 Sharon at the hairdresser? Where did that come from? I am a professional engineer who actually knows about CO2. I respect farmers greatly but I really don't think you understand atmospheric CO2
It's just another way to Tax gullible public.
tax and control
You have just described the act of owning a car.
@@barryevans791not really.
@@andrewcheadle948 Annual MOT's, insurance, VAT, Road Tax and Tax every time you put petrol in.
@@barryevans791 that's not the same as net zero being forced on to every single one of us tho is it!
The whole thing is a scam. Time to drop it
The planet is 15% greener, crop yields increased and a better quality of life achieved. Cancel the nett zero now.
Less people dying of weather. Cold weather kills more than warm weather.
That’s nonsense. Green land has decreased through massive deforestation and some crops affected by extreme weather - food shortages and famine will be normal in coming few decades. Unfortunately too many people on planet. Nothing we can do about climate.
Total rubbish. A warming planet does not increase the quality of life. Where did you get that ludicrous argument from?
@@chrispark9343a fucking cold one doesn't either , I would rather warmer than colder so I'm glad we're exiting the last ice age and not entering it 😂
Medieval warm period in Europe.950 AD to 1250.
Finally, after about fifteen years of this stupidity, the penny begins to drop.
Yes, we are all doomed, because fools like you.
On a failed TV channel.
It's been longer than 15 years Labour implemented levies on our bills
@@samhodgins9804
The ROC system that Labour introduced didn't put levies on bills, in fact if energy companies actually had installed target levels of renewables there would have not been any extra cost. The scheme benefited companies that fulfilled their obligation and penalised those that didn't. It's the ones that didn't that cost all consumer.
Since then the Tories have changed the system and replaced ROCs with CfDs.
The high bill costs in the last couple of years have been due to gas prices not renewables.
In fact my bill this month is the lowest it's been for 4 years despite more renewables.
This is largely due to stability in the gas supply after years of instability.
Historically fossil fuels have been responsible for major international problems both economic and conflicts, including WWII in which both Germany and Japan sought to secure fossil fuel resources by invasion.
Russia today is using fossil fuels as a weapon and is one of the primary reasons for invading Ukraine for coal, iron ore etc.
you spelled sixty wrong.
Net zero political intelligence = net zero political accountability.
AND NET STUPIDITY
Green policies are anything but green.
It's red!
@@andrewst9797 With a hammer and sickle.
It's global communism
Just like you
@@nathansmith7153 Very true. There's nothing green about me🙂
They cancell d David Bellamy years ago for telling the truth.
I was taking about him yesterday and how he was saying that wind turbines are not who friendly and that was about 20 years ago if not more
Why did people ever accept the idea that the planet needs saving in the first place? Furthermore that government is going to save it. It’s laughable.
"The nine most terrifying words in the English language are: I'm from the Government, and I'm here to help." R.Reagan
The Tories can't even save their own party.🤣🤣
The planet does not need saving, it will be here long after we have gone!
Need a referendum on net zero
Won't make a difference sadly. We need direct action
And immigration.
Referendums are nonsense. Have one if you must but Governments are not obliged to take any notice otherwise a real BREXIT would have happened and we would not be having most of the problems we now have. Control by Lies . fear and invented or politically motivated pretend emergencies .
Stop voting for the political parties pushing this nonsense.
Here's a starter, quit voting for political parties pushing all this nonsense.
This net zero dream has harmed millions, yet deep money continues to fund this unattainable dream.
The Rothschild/Rockefeller chequebook is behind it all.
Who are you to say it's unattainable? You will certainly never attain it. Clever, dedicated people who actually care about a liveable future CAN do it.
@@edru8567 nope. The money’s not there, the skilled people required aren’t there, the energy is not there and the stuff required is not there, so it’s not happening. “In a contest between platitudes and physics, physics remains undefeated” Doomberg.
@@DrRock2009 of course, physics rocks and through the inventive application of physics the job COULD get done but standing around stating it will never get done will certainly prove you right
@@edru8567 I'm someone who knows about science, look into it you might learn something. co2 is necessary for the earth to survive
Net Zero means will you have net zero in your bank account.
It also means you are the carbon to be reduced to zero.
Net zero life as we are the carbon they want to eliminate.
Also means that you wont be swimming in human waste.
@@stewartkingsley Completely different argument. CO2 is the gas of life ffs.
@@DrRock2009you really are a sad little man.
The elephant in the room that they didn't address, is that even if there was a climate crisis, driven by man-made carbon dioxide (there isn't); going to 'net-zero' in the UK and Europe wouldn't make a jot of difference, because China, India and other Asian countries are massively increasing their output.
Here in Australia our government is full steam ahead on this madness..
People are the carbon they are trying to reduce.
💯
We are mostly water which is hydrogen and oxygen. Not carbon
@@chrispark9343 We are carbon based life forms, my guy.
Ok I'll give you that we are carbon based. About 18% by mass. But the point the we have carbon in us is still irrelevant
@@chrispark9343 Not irrelevant at all for the point being made. The whole green push has nothing to do with co2 or the environment, but pop. control. All the measures being pushed to reduce carbon are maliciously designed to reduce pop. size, not to "save the environment.". In all that effort to be pedantic, yaa somehow missed the point being made with the choice of words used.
We were meant to be under water a few years back and snow was just a memory
Please here in the Netherlands we're told we're in for a drought yet a week ago we had the most rain fall in one day that we normally get in a month. It rains almost everyday there's water everywhere. Do people really believe all this rubbish 😂😂😂
If remember the snow, decades ago. Now its hardly any for a few days. Now all you get is rain, rain and more rain. So instead of dry summer, you will get a drenched one. Its the same for the food crops, there will be poor harvests if any.
"We were meant to be under water a few years back"
That is a lie. The science has never said that. In fact of all the predictions sea level rise is the slowest to change.
But even so we are already seeing some impacts.
@@stewartkingsleyThe increase in rain is due to geoengineering which has been going on for over a century now in different forms and before that to a less widespread extent even as far back as the 1800s. It's amazing how ignorant and unaware people our on how much the climate is modified through geoengineering.
@@stewartkingsley Milankovitch cycle
qoute from NASA
these Cycles also play key roles in Earth’s short-term weather and long-term climate. A century ago, Serbian scientist Milutin Milankovitch hypothesized the long-term, collective effects of changes in Earth’s position relative to the Sun are a strong driver of Earth’s long-term climate, and are responsible for triggering the beginning and end of glaciation periods (Ice Ages).
Biggest scam ever.
Not quite, I think that award goes to religion!
Politicians globally have stepped outside their scope of authority.
Its physically impossible to be net zero as every man made item has to be manufactured using energy
We had this with the hole in the ozone layer, then acid rain, encouraged to buy diesel cars, then LPG, stopped 4 star petrol, now we have E10 petrol...sick of net zero, it just means more tax in the end and then once the net zero fad is over it will be something else that will have to be found to scare the public with.
Almost like it's a multi trillion dollar green scam. I do know grown adults that still believe there's a climate crisis!.
Which I find quite remarkable!
And what happened to the hole in ozone layer after the CFCs etc were banned? Healed!
You have to be really stupid to pick two problems (ozone hole and acid rain) that were fixed by a change in policy and technology and then make out it was wrong to make those changes.
China still uses CFCs since they don't care about International law or any treaty bans. They also still do not clean the pollution with scrubbing since Europe and US did since the 70s which put a stop to acid rain. Asian countries get China's acid rain. No one will stop China polluting and something people believe the CC religion can't work out is if renewables were cheaper than fossil fuels why hasn't China transitioned. No. Instead China is still opening massive numbers of coal power plants and they tell us the reason is for cheaper electric. If renewables were cheaper then China would be 100% by now for even better competitive edge with their manufacturing.
So true, every day more bullshit thrown at us.
We are awake! We know c. Change is BS!
Climate change or anthropogenic climate change?
You are just saying that because you cannot acknowledge you've been wrong all these years. Being ignorant is your domain.
AWAKE, NOT WOKE.
Data confirming the predictions of anthropogenic climate change regarding temperature, ice cap melt, sea level rise, falling ocean pH and much more have established the reality of ACC beyond a reasonable scientific doubt.
And control of average people
Unfortunately Zoe is living in a dream world. We are currently pouring vast amounts of money and resources into this farce and it is making very little difference. Heat pumps are just way too expensive and don't fit our variable climate well or our old poorly insulated housing stock. If only they would have a more rational approach helping people to insulate their homes better rather than subsidising insanely expensive heat pumps. Similarly it would have been better to encourage the use of hybrid vehicles rather than EVs because it is something where the technology is there to actually save people money and at the same time reduce the amount of fossil fuels consumed. This is to say nothing of the fact that even if we could all afford all these green upgrades there aren't enough engineers and technicians to design and install it all and there aren't enough raw materials like copper to make them in the first place.
Hybrid vehicles are as much of a farce as the rest of the net zero ideology. Where I work, they are currently replacing, with much government coercion it must be said, 65 - 70mpg diesel Astras with MG hybrids that are giving us 27mpg. And this is saving the planet apparently.
Go on then, let us know your better alternatives. Obviously you have a better alternative to heat pumps and all the other things that being developed.
@@stewartkingsley I already said that in the OP, we should be investing in making sure existing heating systems are running as efficiently as possible and that insulation is as good as practical on homes. This would be a far better use of tax payer money that huge subsidies on heat pumps and would reduce peoples bills at the same time as reducing overall gas consumption more than expensive heat pumps for the few.
Hybrid cars rather than EVs are a much better solution because they cost less to produce both economically and environmental impact. Money wasted on EV development could have been used to make ICE cars vastly more efficient at minimal extra purchase price and needed minimal infrastructure changes for charging.
It's a pragmatic rather than dogmatic approach and is actually realisable rather than a pipe dream.
@stewartkingsley i know a better alternative. Gas boilers 👍 thank me later 👍
@@davehughes4042 or log burners, great comment 👍
How about we just put the blame at the door of those unwanted, unelected lunatics at the WEF !!!!
The climate has NEVER stopped changing since the earth was formed!
The WEF : we know what the climate will be like in 30 years.
The Met office : We can't tell you accurately what the weather will be like next Tuesday....🤔
Or even tomorrow
you will upset Jim Dale
@@grahamede3255 Who cares they have all been upsetting me and making my life hell for years.
Those puppets can't even tell what it's gonna do tomorrow
Apparently the MET office have been changing the figures historically
it was fantasy pie in the sky 10yrs ago and its still pie in the sky
its what the MP's and pushers have got their little grubby investments in.
Now you're being really silly, there's far more money in oil. Renewables are cheaper and benefit the ordinary people far more than oil. Do more homework
@@edru8567 for your little ideal world to happen it takes a lot of initial investment.....sir.
Which MP?
I mean I invest in renewables just by paying my electricity bill which is the cheapest it's been for 4 years despite there being more renewables. What put up my bills was gas prices.
Brainwashed idiot
Brainwashed idiot
The only reason it's called Net Zero is because it will all come to nothing!
Is it not time to close the Gates at this late hour.??
but will cost us *everything*
The world is currently suffering from a dearth of CO2. It's only been this low twice in 600 million years, and for a very short time.
Water vapour is the true climate change gas. And guess what you can't legislate water, clouds cause rain. The hockey stick is a complete con.
The point is it’s plant food. That’s what you need to remember.
💯 correct
@@24ct_G Too late Angus, we've over commited to wind power, there is no room in the generation mix to make Nuclear of any economic use, that's why the goverment has kicked nuclear down the road
Plants need water and yours is polluted beyond belief
Oxygen is a life giver but to much of it or to little kills.
The point is CO2 is a gas which is known to keep this planet warm, to little and it cools, to much and it gets to hot. The science started 200 years ago with Herschel.
Which has nothing to do with the role of CO2 in atmospheric physics.
It is plant food for weeds and crops grown under high CO2 concentrations have reduced nutritional value.
There is not enough copper mining capacity on the planet to meet even just the EV part of Net Zero. A recent report has stated that globally, over the next 10 years, we would have to mine (using fossil fuelled plant)115% more copper than has been mined all over the world since copper mining started......and that's just for EVs. An EV uses 3x more copper than and ICE vehicle, and this is before you take into account other things like infrastructure upgrades to meet the demands of things like wind farms, solar panels, battery storage, AI computer processing, heat pumps......the list goes on. Net Zero is a fantasy!
The EV scam is to force cars off the road.. WEF agenda wants no one travelling or having cars, easier to control that way.. those who can afford them will get them then they will ban fuel driven ones.. plus dont forget the EV sont last forever.. unlike engine driven cars which can be repaired with odd parts and scrap etc the EV battery has only so many charges then needs replacing.. ' you will own nothing and you will be happy..' WEF or 1984
Does that take into account all the ICE drivers who say they will never buy an EV? The copper in all the ICE vehicles can be recycled.
So you are saying that we all need to go back to horse and cart. Genius!
Have you heard of a material called aluminium? It's used as a conductor as well as copper. Most high voltage grid cables and HVDC cables use aluminium. As an example It's also used in EV batteries and for connecting EV batteries to the motor, basically applications with a high current (power). This reduces the amount of copper used.
@@Paul-yh8km well that would certainly explain the fires
The moment someone says Net Zero is about 'Saving the Planet' instantly labels themselves a fool.
This planet will be here long after our species has died off. No matter what humans do.
What infuriates me is that the heat pumps don’t actually work.
The heat pumps are fine for a two bedroom bungalow, but for a normal size house, they are simply not powerful enough.
It's immaterial how big the house is, it's how well insulated that house is, and most homes would need thousands spending on insulation upgrades for heat pumps to be effective.
I had a quote just to find out some facts, they quoted £9200 after the £5000 grant was taken off. Nobody came round to look at my house but I was assured my existing radiator’s were ok and thats why the quote was so cheap. Furthermore I was told that 18 degrees was the best I could expect to get from it. The only way they make any sense is in new builds with underfloor heating. Retro fitting is pointless.
I fit heat pumps as part of my job. They are effective and are getting better all the time,but it does depend on how well the system is designed and fitted.
Yes it's true that they work better with underfloor heating as the output temperature needed is lower than is needed for radiators. You have to be sensible about it and temperatures of 18-20°c are reasonable and easily achievable for these systems. Pretty much all of the systems that we fit have a COP, (coefficient of performance) that average about 3-3.5 : 1. By this I mean that for every kilowatt of power used these systems are producing between 3 and 3.5 kilowatts of heat , we have some that are operating at over 5 : 1. The thing is getting the pumps to generate more heat drops the COP.
Norway uses a lot of heat pumps and they are a relatively cool country, our biggest problem with the heat pumps is the cost of our electricity, which is the most expensive in Europe and that is down to the government and the net zero crowd. We need to invest in nuclear power not wind farms and solar farms where the vast majority of the subsidies are going abroad because they're owned by foreign investors.
@@patrickhosking613 You make some good points but what I found odd was that my quote was made without anyone coming to my house. I was asked if I had double rads which I do and it was therefore concluded that they wouldn’t need upgrading even though I had heard most do, I had the thought that had I given the go ahead this would have changed.Furthermore if we are sitting watching tv in the middle of winter my wife certainly would not consider 18C adequate.
Consequently I won’t be changing anytime soon.
Im paying nothing. If the govt want me to have this they can pay for it.
You realise of course that's the same thing?
The government doesn't have money, they use taxpayers money, it's us that will be paying!!
we fund the government not the other way around so we actually have the right to say NO thank you , you have no right to make any citizen do anything without a referendum , it is called democracy which most have forgotten what that really is , we dont have it here in the uk
@@andywarrington4738You're a subject, not a citizen. You have no rights, only privileges. You will obey and pay or go without, possibly both.
This is worldwide now.
@@andywarrington4738 Buy a boat, then you can leave the UK and live in the ocean.
Luz truss since she got sacked we're starting to realize why .she s saying all the right things .in this ,on w e f corruption etc
Oh yes , it was clearly a set up as she was going against the false narratives on tax and climate .
Takes one to know one, as they say.
A nutter, that is.
That's right. The banks started to tank the economy in order to get her out as fast as possible.
Liz Truss was the first Conservative Party Leader and Prime Minister since Thatcher. She was never going to last, too many CINOs in the party (Conservative In Name Only). The WEF wanted their lackey Sunak to continue destroying the UK, so she had to go.
It is Fraud.
Talk Sport had someone on a few weeks back claiming that "football was under threat from climate change". One of her reasons to support this was "three non-league games were postponed due to waterlogged pitches last season". Stupidity above and beyond.
Of course, the two presenters fawned over her every word, her ludicrous hysteria going uncontested.
It's easier to fool a person than it is to get that person to admit they were fooled.
Yes a famous quote by Mark Twain , the author.
@@advent3774 good on you for identifying that. It's one of my favourite saying at this crazy time in history. God bless from New Zealand
No such thing as net zero.
Done my bit, changed my 14 year old gas boiler. For a brand new gas boiler.
Way more efficient I’m sure.
Saving on the bills
Total crap the whole thing, my ex wife got a quote for completely "greening" her rented property and the price nearly made me fall over. Nobody EVER will be able to afford it.
Nevermind, probably be underwater in a few years, or just washed away.
Yes Stewart…..like we were all supposed to be underwater already.
I get the feeling you’re a shill.
@@stewartkingsleyI bet you still go on foreign holidays by aeroplane yes?
You will own nothing and be happy!
Any offers?
All part of the PSYOP.
Totally grim!
The same people behind net zero also gave us 'smart' motorways.
Doubt it. But anyway the M62 works much better now with variable speed limits & 4 lanes when required.
@@duncanbeard9460 Troll. Get a proper job pal, and get out of your bedroom and bin your laptop.
@@philiphughes4117 Excellent, never been called a troll before. I often drive the M62 for business, do you? I take my company laptop with me to program stuff. Using home desktop now. Back to the topic though, notice how it's called net zero not gross zero by the way.
Saving the planet from dying when in reality, the Earth is actually becoming greener.
It's a money making scam
There are 2 mass psychoses in operation in most Western countries in association with a massive fraud.
It's a money siphoning (theft) scam. We the Australian people made the money and will pay off any debt incurred by our government borrowing money to push this idiotic agenda.
For the world elites.
And a lot of councils have signed up to UK 100 which they haven't told the people who vote for them so it's undemocratic and underhanded
And Labour will push this upon us
Rebellion is the only way.
If Net Zero & EV's were so good why are we the tax payer having to subsidise them
Yeah, it makes Zero sense( net or otherwise) and EV-ery aspect is delusional ! (And yet ALL major political parties are hyper -spining this infantile fairy tale--and that's just "GRIMM" )
I feel sorry for the Zoe person at the end. She still can't see or admit she's being fooled. Oh dear!
I am more concerned about freezing to death in winter, despite paying over a £1000 for my gas bill.
How cold was it this year? Are you living in the arctic?
@@stewartkingsley I live in the North and im 80 years old and disabled, so yes i feel the cold.
What do you consider a good gas bill?
I often wonder just how many of our politicians have financial interests in the green agenda.
I wonder if you realise that YOU have a financial interest in having a sustainable planet . Of course you just want to carry on trashing the place
@@nathansmith7153 Sustainable a bs word drop it now.
@@mosheridan7016 just like Nathan says, are you so selfish that you are happy to allow life on Earth to be destroyed by oil and greed when there is a better way? If you have kids are you happy for them to suffer for your ignorance?
@@mosheridan7016 Excuse me idiot but we live on a finite planet with finite resources and greedy materialists like you are trashing the planet. Presumably because you don't give a damn about anybody else.
@@mosheridan7016
OK Putler
Years ago i belonged to both greenpeace and friends of the earth. I learned from going to both their meetings that both organisations where only interested in money. Also the "facts" they both talked about to the public where either made up (false) or greatly exaggerated.
Wind has a low energy density and wind power is centuries out of date. Wind farms only exist due to massive taxpayer funded subsidies. They make no economic sense. They are a colossal waste of taxpayers money and resources (including coal and oil).
Solar panels are only useful as a supplement in sunny areas between the 35th parallels. They make no economic sense in cloudy upper latitude areas such as the UK.
The carbon dioxide emissions from fossil fuels are largely beneficial. Benefits include greening of the planet with increased agricultural yields (main effect) reduced winter heating costs, fewer deaths from hypothermia and postponement of the next glacial maximum.
This is especially so in cold areas such as the UK.
Net Zero is economically destructive delusional insanity. It needs to be urgently abandoned and the most economical energy resources available need to be utilised.
I totally agree. Even without technical knowledge, you only need to honestly look at the last few decades to see in your own environment and experience to realise that the efforts to change the climate make no sense.
I have a heat pump, it uses a lot of electricity and when the outside temperature gets to freezing point it only produces cool temperatures and we must use our gas furnace to achieve anything close to a comfortable temperature. If you live in a cold climate ( like Canada) good luck when it gets to 10 below or on those 30 to 40 below days. Not to mention what will happen when the power grid goes down trying to keep up with all the heat pumps and electric vehicles charging. Then throw in a grid trying to rely on solar panels covered in snow and wind turbines frozen solid or without wind. This is an insanely stupid idea on every front. Cheap reliable energy versus expensive unreliable energy, is this so difficult to grasp?
That was so obvious only people making money out of it pretended to believe the carbidge
Carbidge? Is that a fancy way to avoid being censored for saying _garbage?_
If you can’t predict the weather for the next 3 days you don’t have the right to tell us about it in 20 years. Also, climate change is a thing, it happens every couple millennia. Instead of trying to stop/change it why don’t we look at trying to prepare for it?
That's far too sane for our lunatic "leaders".
One of the main drivers of climate change is changes in GHG concentrations in the atmosphere. . This is exactly what human activity is increasing with our burning of fossil fuels and changes in land use.
@@Richard482 steady on Dick.... Co2 has gone from a gnats fart 0.03% pre industrial revolution to a slightly higher gnats fart of 0.04% currently.
And bearing in mind co2 works logarithmically with temperature, I'd say it's effect is virtually nothing.
Also bearing in mind the positives of slightly higher co2 levels.... A greening of the earth for decades now, and crop yields are up globally, partly because of slightly higher co2, I'd say it's obviously beneficial to the planet.
Also bearing in mind that none of the doom and gloom scaremongering bs scenarios of the past came true, because they were predominantly bs, and yet here you are thinking theat the obviously politicised climate "crisis" bs will.
I mean talk about being behind the curve.
Climate change virtue signalling is over fella, even Greta has abandoned it and become a middle east political expert.
Get on another bandwagon if I was you.... One that has some legs, the vast bulk of people now, are waking up to this "green" scam!
@Richard482 no its not. Its been shown that CO2 concentrations increase AFTER climatic warming
@@playasurf1000 Richard is a regular climate bedwetter... Or shall I say virtue signaller..... Bearing in mind he's on his fossil fuel created and powered electronic device on youtube whose energy consumption has gone up year on year! 🤪
Net zero has always been pie in the sky,!
The concern about the inability to track government funds is a valid one. It's essential for governments to maintain transparency and accountability in their financial transactions, especially when it comes to public funds. Without proper tracking mechanisms, there is a risk of misuse or mismanagement of public money, which can have serious consequences for the economy and public trust in the government. they will rob us blind as they already have
Re the "got the last word" lady: Being halfhearted doesn't change the faulty cost projections. The projects still costs 50-70% more and the benefits power vs investment are still abysmal and below nameplate. No matter what you do THERE IS NO SUN HALF THE TIME and the wind doesn't always blow / is too weak / too strong. And the transmission loss from generator to enduser is still significant.
The very concept of international law is bollocks, the only bodies with the legitimate power to write laws are governments of countries, whatever form that government takes.There is no "international" government,at least for now, thank fuck.
International laws are created through agreements and are in the best interests of all nations.
What we had without them, especially in Europe was hundreds of years of wars because countries made their own laws and rules.
eg. International law defines the boundaries of water around nations and hence reduce conflicts over those waters.
The reality is the very problems you highlight are generally caused by people that don't want to recognise the laws.
You are an example of why international laws fail. You are the problem that you are highlighting.
@@Paul-yh8km You sound in favor of the UN as a world government, please tell me if such a thing came to pass who would own it and who would it serve
@@nigelbagguley7606
That is your conspiratorial delusion.
We have had international laws for centuries, long before the UN existed, they have nothing to do with national domestic laws.
International treaties and agreements slowly bind us beneath international law so our own constitutional and common law becomes worthless. This is how they are planning to establish one world government. Treaty by treaty, agreement by agreement .. and all binding beneath International law! It's death by treaty! Our government won't even let us look at the free trade agreements they have made (citing commercial in-confidence) so who knows what the hell is in those or in other treaties and agreements that our treasonous governments have signed?
Only those morons at the WEF,MAKING MILLIONS OUT OF THIS BULLSHIT SCAM
New builds are still being constructed with gas central heating as thier energy source
There are large plots across London awaiting development because the present electricity grid isn't up to powering all the heat pumps that the Green Marxist Conservative government has mandated for new builds. With wind, when it does, and solar, on sunny days, it never will be.
Indeed and without solar panels. How stupid is that?
The fact is.. They ( the establishment ) have tried
for the medical
for the weather
Can you repeat that in English please.
@@Paul-yh8km Balls to all Muppets.. This is England
The sxxt hits the fan when we begin to scrap fossil fuels, no petrol. No diesel,no gas. that heats most buildings, no oil. For hundreds of items. Only electricity so how much must we increase our supplies, and how is this tobe done. Some estimate our capacity must quadruple. From 100 Gigawatts to 400 Gigawatts. for fossils, and also increased population, computers centres, and A I.
Anyone who's concerned about climate change should immediately start living the Amish lifestyle 100%!!!!
There is no climate crisis. There is change, but there is nothing that we can, or should do about it, as the climate has always changed in cycles. Let's not forget that CO2 means life to plants, and trees, and is needed for so many other uses.
What cycle is causing the planet to warm right now?
@@Richard482It indeed has a name…can’t recall it just now…concern the slight variability over millennia of the shape of the earths orbit around the sun
@@Richard482solar cycles, precession, etc. Certainly not CO². You could double CO² and it would have a negligible effect on warming as it lags, generally, behind warming, not prior to warming..but you'll already know this, hopefully.
@@CobinRain You're referring to Milankovitch Cycles. These take place over times scales far too slowly to explain the rapid warming being recorded.
Why Milankovitch Cycles start the process of taking the planet out of a full glaciation (or indeed into one), it's the resulting changes in greenhouse gas concentrations, like carbon dioxide, that make the effect global.
According to Milankovitch theory, the planet should be cooling very slowly towards the next full glaciation, not rapidly warming.
@@Richard482 Bond cycles. Minoan, roman, medieval, current warm periods and dark age, little ice age cold periods, occurs every 1000 years between peaks.
Call me a cynic but I suspect net zero will be cancelled by any potential upcoming international conflict but things will be built back better after :)
Built back broken
Hope so
Because there will be anything to rebuild after WW3.
Well if you are right, then such a conflict will accelerate climate change, especially the bit about rebuilding.
@Paul-yh8km Should we live in caves and go back to the stone age?
all a con.
The UK would do better cleaning its rivers, lakes and estuaries .
Much cleaner than they were 50-100 years ago!
Scrap net zero, give us the referendum on this subject and immigration
We’ve never been asked whether we want this or not! It is totally ludicrous!
Climate change for you not for me. That's our politicians attitude 😂
Do you want food, do you want to remain alive?
Same as the invasion.
They won't scrap Net Zero, there is too much money in it for them.
Lot more money in oil.
@@duncanbeard9460 Not for the politicians and their friends and family.
Does anyone else feel this is just a huge money laundering scheme?
Trying to reduce CO2 is the same as saying "Don't let plants grow better, faster, bigger and stronger." The earth is greener now than it has been for 1000s of years. The time to worry is when vegetation starts dying, which it would do without enough CO2. A clue on this should be obvious to the public by market gardeners pumping CO2 into their greenhouses, raising the CO2 levels to 1500 PPM. They wouldn't do this if it was a bad thing to have more CO2.
Very few politicians are informed of Solar effects on weather and climate patterns. Repeated Solar patterns and cycles are mostly ignored in the overall debate. Britain has a good many eminent observeres of Solar activity in recent centuries. Worth reading up.
1966: oil gone in 10yrs
1967: dire famine forecast by 1975
1968: overpopulation will spread worldwide
1969: everyone will disappear in a cloud of blue steam by 1989
1970: the world will use up all its natural resources by 2000, urban citizens will require gas masks by 1985, nitrogen build-up will make all land unusable, decaying pollution will kill all the fish, killer bees, ice age by 2000 and America will be subject to water rationing by 1974 and food rationing by 1980
1971: new ice age coming by 2020 or 2030
1972: new ice age by 2070 and oil depleted in 20yrs
1974: space satellites show new ice age coming fast, ozone depletion and "Great peril to life"
1976: scientific consensus planet cooling and famines imminent
1977: department of energy says oil will peak in the 90s
1978: no end in sight to 30yr cooling trend
1980: acid rain kills life in lakes and peak oil in 2000
1988: regional droughts in the 90s, temperatures in DC will hit record highs and Maldives will be underwater by 2018
1989: rising sea levels will obliterate nations if nothing is done by 2000 and New York City's West Side Highway will be underwater by 2019
1996: peak oil in 2020
2000: children won't know what snow is
2002: famine in 10yrs if we don't give up eating meat, fish and dairy and peak oil in 2010
2004: Britain will be Siberia by 2024
2005: Manhattan will be underwater by 2015
2006: super hurricanes
2008: the Arctic will be ice free by 2018 and Climate Genius Al Gore predicts an ice free Arctic by 2013
2009: Climate Genius Prince Charles says we have 96 months to save the world, UK Prime Minister Gordon Brown says we have 50 days to "save the planet from catastrophe" and Climate Genius Al Gore moves his 2013 prediction of an ice free Arctic to 2014
2013: the Arctic will be ice free by 2015
2014: only 500 days before "Climate chaos"
2018 A top climate scientist is warning that climate change will wipe out all of humanity unless we stop using fossil fuels by 2023...Greta Doomberg.
2019: Hey Greta, we need you to convince them it's really going to happen this time
2020 Greta Thunderberg global warming will cause temperatues to rise to 80 degrees celsius and drown 80% of the population.
2024 Greta still alive.
2024 WEF
Oil was first predicted to run out in the 1920s. The doom clock is laughably always 5 to midnight.
They just found loads mors
All about CONTROL & The ELITE CORPORATION'S profits 📈
@@chappy2121fkn Ideal, I'll keep my 69 dodge charger on the road then.👍👍😁😁👍👍
I am an electrician and I do some work for a builder who had an air source heat pump fitted to his own house, he did more than the minimum requested insulation upgrades, he has got underfloor heating installed on both floors which is more efficient for heat pumps, it's just an average sized four bed detached house and last winter it was costing him over £500 a month to heat his home, he ended up turning it off and got a wood burner installed.
To put it into context my 80s built 4 bed detached with a condensing gas boiler was costing us less than £100 per month to heat, we also cook with gas.
Even with our electric cost added to the gas we still never paid more than £180 a month combined.
Obviously something wrong with the house or the installation.
heat pumps are shite. i had one in my last house. it was expensive to run and rubbish. don't even work when it's cold...
Net Zero would be catastrophic for humanity. It is only because of the increase in CO2 that we are currently able to produce enough food to feed 8 billion people.
Net Zero can ONLY lead to the return of widespread famine.
The ONLY world metric that has actually changed in perfect step with CO2 has been crop yields.
50 years ago 3rd world crop yields per hectare were half the current output, (1st world yields were a 1/4 of today's) The world could not produce enough food for 4 billion people with about 1 million famine deaths every year which is more deaths in one year from 4 billion than over the last 23 years from up to 8 billion.
Co2 feeds the world,
How does food production work when there is either continuous flooding, or there is no water at all? In the UK many crop yields have been zero because the fields were sodden and everything rotted. Other places it has been so dry that the yields have dropped to unsustainable levels. This is now, not 50 years ago. Dont you realise that things have changed and the reality is that food production is at a crisis point.
@@stewartkingsley The increased food production on other land takes up the slack as it has always tried to. If we returned to the food production levels of 50 years ago. there would be 50% less total food production available to cover any local losses.
If you loose 10% of 2 tonnes of food you still end up with more food than if you lost 10% of 1 tonne of food.
No. The increase in food production is due to the Green Revolution or Third Agricultural Revolution of the 20th century. In the late 1960s, farmers began incorporating new technologies such as high-yielding varieties of cereals, particularly dwarf wheat and rice, and the widespread use of chemical fertilizers.
Net zero means not adding further to the increase in CO2 concentration, currently 425 ppm and rising at 2.5 ppm per year. It will not lead to widespread famine.
The world metric that has changed in 'perfect step with CO2 is global average temperature, at the predicted rate of 3 C per doubling of CO2 concentration. But ocean pH has also fallen at the predicted rate.
@@pshehan1 You are totally wrong,
1st world introduced better farming techniques the 3rd world did not which is why first world yields quadrupled and 3rd world yields doubled. Subsistence farmers in the 3rd world are NOT huge Monsanto customers.
Global temperature have not changes significantly over the last 100 years if you do not believe me look at any rural (to avoid any heat island effect) long term daily thermometer archives. any that extend over 100 years show a slight cooling or no trend.
CO2 CANNOT cause significant warming its effect is measured at 3.7W/m2 per doubling ((even the IPCC admit that) so if CO2 doubled to 850ppm the total CO2 shielding would increase by just 3.7W/m2 so from the current 398W/m2 to 401.7W/m2 or a surface temperature change of 0.7 degrees. (16.296 to 16.967- 16.296)
The only gas that CO2 could replace in the atmosphere would be water vapor (a more powerful greenhouse gas (4.7W/m2 per doubling).
@@davebrown6552 "The Green Revolution, or the Third Agricultural Revolution, was a period of technology transfer initiatives that saw greatly increased crop yields.[1][2] These changes in agriculture began in developed countries in the early 20th century and spread globally until the late 1980s.[3] In the late 1960s, farmers began incorporating new technologies such as high-yielding varieties of cereals, particularly dwarf wheat and rice, and the widespread use of chemical fertilizers (to produce their high yields, the new seeds require far more fertilizer than traditional varieties[4]), pesticides, and controlled irrigation.
At the same time, newer methods of cultivation, including mechanization, were adopted, often as a package of practices to replace traditional agricultural technology.[5] This was often in conjunction with loans conditional on policy changes being made by the developing nations adopting them, such as privatizing fertilizer manufacture and distribution.[4]"
Wikipedia and references cited therein.
Instrumental temperature records go back to 1850 and show a warming of about 1.4 C over the last century.
In testimony before Congress by skeptic Judith Curry, satellite temperature data was declared the "gold standard" and "best we have" and RSS data was sworn by when skeptics were claiming a temperature pause from 1998 to 2015.
The first IPCC report in 1991 gave the most likely temperature rise with each doubling of CO2 concentration, the equilibrium climate sensitivity or ECS as 3 C. The warming due to CO2 alone increases the average global temperature by 1.1 C. It is feedbacks, positive and negative, including the fact that a warmer atmosphere holds more water gas which results in the Equilibrium climate sensitivity (ECS) being 3 C.
CO2 does not replace H2O in the atmosphere, it increases it.
RSS satellite temperature trend from 1979 to February 2024
Trend: 0.210°C/decade
The temperature change for the 4.5 decades is 0.95 C.
Mauna Loa CO2 concentration rise 338 to 422 ppm.
So according to the logarithmic relationship between temperature and CO2 concentration, for the period in question
0.95 = k ln(422/338)
Solving the equation gives the proportionality constant, k= 4.26
So the temperature rise with doubling of CO2 concentration (ECS) and including the 24% error is
4.26 x ln2 = 4.26 x 0.693
= 3.0 C
The warming is not due to the sun as solar intensity has been declining for decades toward the Grand Solar Minimum.
Also, if the temperature rise was caused by increasing solar radiation, the troposphere and stratosphere would both warm.
If caused by an increase in greenhouse gases, the troposphere would warm and the stratosphere would cool.
That was predicted in1967, and has been shown to be what is happening by satellite data. Syukuro Manabe, the surviving scientist who made the prediction (his collaborator Richard Wetherald had since died) was awarded the Nobel prize in physics in 2021.
So the data agrees with the earlier IPCC models and paleodata putting the most likely value of the ECS at 3 C.
When have we ever had a price reduction in the UK!
RENEWABLE PROFIT SCAM!
"Do our bit to save planet"
Does everyone just repeat popular lines these days without really thinking about what is coming out of their mouth?!
"Doing your bit" will neither kill nor save this planet. It was here before we came along, and it'll be here long after we've gone.
If the UK signed up to the international law, then can't the UK withdraw from the laws, too ?
The day when Global Warming was changed to Climate Change, was the day I stopped listening to the scaremongers.
Both terms have been used for decades. It's called the IPCC and not the IPGW.
I bet your hoping the UK isn't covered in rain all this summer again, as that would indicate climate change.
That was necessary when the world stopped playing ball and flately refused to get hotter for nearly a decade.
The term climatic change appeared in the title of a scientific publication in 1955. The term global warming did not appear until 1975.
Pollster Frank Luntz advised the Bush administration that the phrase "global warming" should be abandoned in favour of "climate change", which he called a "less frightening" phrase than the former.
In 1988, the IPCC, not the IPGW was formed.
“In a contest between platitudes and physics, physics remains undefeated” Doomberg.
Study the physics of Venus, an atmosphere that is thick with carbon dioxide, carbon monoxide and many other greenhouse gasses.... The surface temperature is hundreds of degrees and no water, at all! Physics is undefeated and is coming to the Earth.
Politicians are great at spending other people’s money until it runs out.
They NEVER feel the consequences of their stupid actions. They always walk away unscathed and leave a trail of devastation behind them.
30 years ago the VED moved from engine size to CO2 emissions. But man made CO2 is not causing climate change. We saw during the world wide covid lockdown when CO2 emissions plummeted that it made no difference.
The “reason we are going ahead” has nothing to do with misinformation. Politicians are not that thick they are following their bosses instructions. WEF and UN. Without plastics there will be no NHS
Isn't the goal to make us poorer ? "You'll own nothing but you'll be happy"
EV mandates, renewable energy, heat pumps, ... All that stuff will be extremely expensive.
The Weather As Always Changed Since History Begun, There is No Difference Now.
The Dutch have seen the light.
Great that these people discussing this, which has been violently disallowed until very recently. They need to go further, much further and expose the dangerous decarbonisation agenda.
The people pushing this need to be investigated, their motives are very questionable.
The only thing we know about CO2, aside from the fact that it doesn't cause temperature change, is that it dramatically reduces the amount of irrigation water crops needs. Irrigation water is the true crisis of this century.