Tarn in IDW is shorter than Megatron, he appears big because apart from Magnus and Megs most of the main Lost Light bots are on the smaller side of the scale. I'm hoping for at least Nickel when it comes to the rest of the DJD, she'd be a neat Core class or accessoried Deluxe.
@@PerspectiveEnd TFWiki has a panel of Tarn shaking hands with Skids. Looks about Seeker/ Optimus size, to me. Even grabbed my Skids to compare. And sizes in the comics & G1 cartoon (it's more consistent, once they moved to CGI) are inconsistent, depending on how careful the artist is being & what the story calls for. I can't imagine Hasbro passing on the chance to do a Leader that isn't that complex, but they probably found the Skids panel & went with that as the scale. Further down Tarn's TFWiki, there's a pic that has him the same size as Deathsaurus. I'd rather get a wider release Voyager, than force a bigger size class, that's often harder to find, just to cash in. I doubt Megatron would rebuild an Autobot he turned that powerful. Big & strong, yes. Bigger & stronger than him, no. What if he reverted? Sorry for the multiple pings, if that happened. Edits kept merging the first few letters with your name, because RUclips/ Google can't code.
@@remus_lupin He's about perfect in scale to the Gamer edition WFC Optimus, and his posing is so good that I currently have him on display catching Optimus' axe and kicking him in the chest in the same motion.
This is for sure one of the best voyagers Hasbro’s come out with, there’s no denying that! Tarn is such a solid figure, everything from the quality to the paint is amazing and grade A. Hope Hasbro makes more DJD members because we not the entire set!
Well...I wasn't expecting that. Out of all the things to complain about, I never would've expected the size and the damn width of the figure. I've heard so many people praise how thin this guy is and that he has zero kibble, which in of itself is a miracle. But the sagging elbows really do kill it for me. I did fix mine with super glue so they are at least sturdy enough to hold his cannon up, but the fact that I had to do that combined with the fact that Hasbro decided that THIS figure of all of Legacy needed gap fillets for EVERYTHING made it so annoying. Hollowness isn't bad because it let's you fix figures like this. And if not, just give us screws that we can take out. I do like this thing, but I think I like it more for the acknowledgement of the character than the actual toy.
To be fair that's not my real issue. My real issue is just those damn shoulders. It should have been bigger. The character is a bigger one in the comics, so there's no reason for it to be below average, but it's the Shoulders. It's all them. Everything else was forgivable.
I never really liked how edgy the IDW comics were but I loved Tarn. The way he went from faux class to full brutality without warning added so much tension to every book he appeared in. His interactions with Megatron were some of my favorite in all Transformers. When I see a Tarn I’m getting him, even if he’s not the flawless diamond the character deserves.
I didn't really see IDW as Edgy, not more than most comic books. All Hail Megatron was Edgy but most of it was normal, and I think all hail was like that because it was trying to be like the movies. Thing is this could have been so close to flawless if it weren't for those shoulders.
@@PerspectiveEnd My introduction to the series was Spotlight Megatron, the DJD, and Arcee’s godawful origin story. There’s a chance I’ve just stumbled into all of the darkest parts of the universe but everything I’ve seen has been pretty edgy. No shade I’d you like that kind of thing, it’s just not for me.
@@PerspectiveEnd it also doesn't help at ALL that other than the classic badges, the only good one was the of predacons, even the maximals kinda sucks in my opinion
He looks even more terrifying with the light piping. Because either he looks like he's dead, which is just horrifying, or it looks like he's about to rip you in half
I don't have Tarn yet but I do have Leo Prime and the way you described your reaction to getting Tarn is exactly how I felt getting Leo. He's very similar in that he's shockingly small for a voyager and feels almost perfect but has a few minor but glaring flaws that hold him back
1- Grimlock is just smaller in IDW than in G1, though... and Tarn wasn´t as big as him, Tesarus and Helex were. Always thought that a good Tarn figure should be a voyager that was slightly smaller than Megatron (maybe a comparison with Siege Megs is needed here) while Helex and Tesarus are leader class (Grimlock size) Kaon is a large deluxe with lots of panneling to sit a voyager Optimus on his electric chair mode, Vos a core class/battlemaster so Tarn can wield it in his sniper mode, then core class Nickel. Oh, and micromaster Pet Ambus. 2- Isn´t Overlord the one that scares the Autobots the most, or Sixshot? Tarn isn´t even a phase-sixer... it scares other decepticons the most, that is true. This actually would scale fine with titans return Overlord... 3- In the website TFSafari there´s already an upgrade kit for Tarn, and it includes pannels to hide away his hands in alt-mode.
1 Grimlock isn't big in G1, he's the same size as Optimus, and I posted a picture of him in IDW where you can see his scale in comparison to regular sized dudes. Multiple Regular Dudes could ride on his back. 2 Tarn is a Phase Sixer. He took the super fuel, and if you remember he was introduced Killing a Phaze Sixer. 3 Hopefully there's one for the shoulders because that's really what kills it for me.
@@PerspectiveEnd Tarn is not a phase sixer... it´s not the super fuel that made them such, but the alloy in their underskeleton. As for how they killed BlackShadow, well, phase sixers aren´t immune to Tarn´s voice, and its first effect is paralysis. As for the Glitch/Roller switch... I mean, it´s not the only fail of the saga, and not my main issue. My main issue is Anode, and how she should have needed Rung´s crystal to fix Lug, and how that whole thing did not carry any consequences for her. I can see why Roller wouldn´t be it, as he´s a point one percenter and not a member of Shockwave Xavier´s school for gifted youngsters, and it somehow feels like an evolution of Glitch power. As for empurata being unfixable... the only 2 characters that we´ve confirmed had it done to them besides Gltich are Shockwave, who was too short on emotions to care to fix it, and Whirl, who seems like he never got actual hands instead of claws because he wanted to keep being angry at the universe. And also, cared more about his clock-making hands than his face.
Perspective, have you got your hands on the new Legacy Shrapnel yet? Apart from his slightly skinny waist and typically simple enough transformation, he's SOOOOOO good!
I love Legacy Shrapnel so much, even though like you said the transformation is simple, it still feels to me like there is so much more going on compared to kickback. My only issue with him is the complete lack of heels means he really likes falling over if you have him in the wrong pose. I just wish I had more blast effect pieces since he is just covered in ports, but I only have what came with the titans and commanders. Also praise the lack of energon weapon that has to sit off to the side but is still needed to gap fill the alt mode like kickback's thorax "blades"
Huh. I only remembered Tarn being the same size as Megatron, not as big as Grimlock. I thought Crucible and the melter guy were the ones that big. Who’s ready for leader class Crucible?!
It would have been really funny if this figure had had the best transformation ever so people wanted to do it over and over to represent Tarn’s transforming addiction
Except we see in the comic him Fight Grimlock in hand to hand and he was as tall as Grimlock and Beefier. We also can see by the Roller image I posted in this video what his size would be in comparison to Pax. Even if we discount roller being Tarn, it'd be a bad miss direct if he was smaller than the guy they were misdirecting to.
@@PerspectiveEnd yeah, but that’s his first appearance, that can always be chalked up to early instalment weirdness. In everything else I can find, he’s slightly shorter than Megatron. Just look at his, Megatron and Overlord’s confrontation. A scene were they’re just talking is a far more accurate depiction of scale in my opinion, and if you were expecting a grimlock sized figure out the voyager price point, frankly you were bound for disappointment. He is far too thin though, that’s definitely true.
I think Tarns altmode is able to tread the delicate line of "it's a tank" and "it's alien" Also, I ask a question about what autobots would you choose for a team of 12 (7 bots and a team of 5), so now I ask what 12 cons would you would have (7 and team of 5). Which bot, what would they turn into, and what personality would you give them.
Maybe that's just it. I don't remember you asking me before. Like what am I choosing them for? Combat effectiveness or like how much I want to write for them?
@@PerspectiveEnd like, if Hasbro asked you to make a transformer show, and said you had to use 12 decipticons (tema of 5 included), who would you choose, what altmodes,and how would you want their personality to be.
I know this may sound weird but, maybe it would’ve been better if they made Tarn a leader class, just slightly taller than what he is right now, give him reworked shoulders and more bulk, and to make the price worth it, put in a core class nickel. That could pose unlike wheelie.
This tarn is in my top 10 this year like the way it looks gives me vibes that I doesn't look like it can transform and yet it can I don't mind the transformation but this I have to say is the best transformers figure done by Hasbro and best decepticon with out a doubt.
I had the opportunity to talk to James Robert’s at tfn this year and I asked him about tarns identity it turns out Robert’s never wanted tarn to have an identity and wanted to keep his identity always hidden but the fans were rabidly amusing it was roller so it forced Robert’s to make it someone the truth was tarn wasn’t supposed to anyone behind the mask the fans just went to apeshit in trying to work out who this new Badass looking con was, thus forcing Robert’s to MAKE IT someone.
I was able to get Tarn a bit early winning him from a raffle but after receiving around December, I just haven’t touched him since. Many of the points you’ve discussed is what I found problems with the figure. I was so excited when he was announced but I wish he was sooo much better. My favorite figure from the wave is Lio Convoy/Prime and I haven’t stopped messing with him since I got him.
Size is a Bit inconsistent, but you can see in Rollers Bio that I showed in this video, what his size is compared to Orion Paxes, so that's the minimum for how big he could be. However we do see in his First on panel appearance when they wreck the Scavengers, he fights Grimlock, and they are of equal size, and he Dominates Grimlock, who was mentally impaired at the time, but none the less he didn't know that and was disappointed that Grimlock couldn't even put up any kind of fight, because he was hoping that Grimlock could be even remotely a good time. And Tarn is shown to be a coward if the thinks he could lose, so the fact that he didn't try to cheat and actually wanted a fight shows that he's supremely confident that Grimlock isn't a threat to him even at full strength. But this was a Question about size, and in that fight Tarn was bigger than Grimlock.
Actually I remember in TFnation Manchester can’t remember who but the guy who designed Tarantulas was there and said he just made the designs and didn’t really know how they would transform and I was like “Dam third party designers must hate this guy” Also he did mention something about Earthspark Tarantulas
he's got that stick-build. in hindsight, it makes sense with what the charather is supposed to be AFTER the reveal, but yea, for half of the comic he's depicted as "fully big", not "scrawny with a big chest pieces" and we expected that
I managed to pick up a Buzzworthy Bumblebee Jazz today, and a neat little ROTB Skullcruncher that transforms from Crocodile to a cannon for larger figures. Also dang, I heard nothing but praise for this figure.
I just got him today after paying way too much on Hasbro pulse, and I absolutely love him, my only problems are that his cannon doesn't lock in on his arm and his knee pads stick out in his alt mode. Also his eyes are hard to see and I wish his mask could come off. He is now one of my favorite figures ever.
Looking forward to getting this guy, due to arrive in a couple of days. Thankyou for using Jhiaxus as a reference, that was actually the reference point my mind was going to from what I'd seen. The shoulder articulation doesnt bother me too much, but I agree it would have been better to put the joint on the arm. Will update this in a couple of days when I've had a chance to get him in hand.
@PerspectiveEnd So it arrived last night with a bunch of other figures and it's an odd one, I like the look, it's a striking figure and articulation is ok, shoulder joints dont bother me as expected but as you noted it's just too small in comparison with other figures, makes it feel slight and just less imposing than if it was 30 to 50 % larger. I got Skyquake as well and while my opinions on that figure are another thing entirely, the mass difference is really noticable. Still think its overall a quality figure, but falls just short of being amazing.
I don’t know how Tarn is so hard to find nowadays, but I NEED this guy, j can handle the fact that he is not the size of Grimlock, but I feel this is the best CHUG version of the Tarn (and the only one) but how and why is he so rare, I can’t find him
Tarn is the embodyment of horror. And he is smaller than Optimus prime? Cmon hasbro, if they make an oversized version I will not hesitate for a second to buy it.
I knew he was a little on the shorter side but yikes he flat, even though I don’t give a care about IDW or scale(usually) I think of Tarn to at least be the same height as Optimus but WAY THICKER.
Yeah the theory about Roller being Tarn makes more sense than Tarn being Glitch mostly because he claims the talk killing was a skill not a evolution of his point one percenter spark
I am so glad Hasbro finally acknowledges IDW characters in this year. So far, aside from the thinness, I do really like this figure - that said I do get your issues with the figure. Half wondering if we'll ever get the other DJD, though I imagine Vos is gonna have his alt mode changed (unless the dual fusion cannons on Tarn are meant to reference Vos' rifle mode).
I’m not saying it’s not treat that we’re getting him but they’ve acknowledged IDW characters before now: several generations figures based on IDW designs for starters, Drift getting brought into the toyline at lightning speed, and more recently stuff like TR Nautica and the little battlemaster Rung
I remember when micromaster Rung came out and I was so pleasantly surprised to see an idw character in official toy form. I never would have guessed that we would be getting something this awesome.
I bought him day 1, sadly I got hit by the QC goblin and his right shoulder tread kept popping off during transformation no matter what I did. I tried to fix it over a week but it never worked and I gotta get another one
Wait man, that sounds like a Blessing? The Tread comes off. That means that you could like replace the shoulder, I'd kill to get my treads off without a mountain of work.
IM AND ACTUALLY OVER THE MOON WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE FOUND. Remember when I said I wanted a ss devavstor??? WELLLLLLLL, it has happened to be rumored it may be in the works late 2023 or maybe 2024. this makes me soooooo happy. I think they might all be Voyagers and hopefully not all leaders if they were tho, that would be interesting. Anywho ima just say one last thing, IT DOES FEEL GOOD TO BE RIGHT. I understand that now when you were right about a space wheeljack indefinitely coming pe.
It’s alright all things considered. It has great posing and great silhouettes. But it’s not gods gift to this earth. The transformation is boring and the chest on mine pops off. But hey I’m glad to have him.
My first instinct is that it doesn't have good posing, but no it's really good on that front, it's just those damn shoulders are so ugly it ruins that for me.
A shame he wasn't as good as you hoped. I got Legacy RID Scourge come yesterday and although I haven't transformed him yet (mostly because I'm lazy and partially because I'm terrified of breaking any of my figures) his truck mode is godly. I absolutely love trucks with trailers. It's part of the reason I want Earthrise Optimus so bad.
I have a way that this could have been fucking perfect. 1: Make his shoulders normal 2: Make him the height of Kingdom Galvatron 3: Stick his backpack and calves out to make him have more depth 4: Add an alternate head with the mask off 5: Add an ab crunch 6: Have the hands flip away in alt mode 7: *slightly* darker purple 8: Charge leader price That would be literally perfect
I do have this figure but there were a few problems I had with, one major problem I had is that the tab that’s supposed to connect his legs broke off while the legs were connected when I was first transforming him
Me and my mom couldn't find him anywhere near us. Have to order him online now. Also nice job with the Scavengers nod. Always appreciate seeing mei bois receive acknowledgement.
@@PerspectiveEnd Yeah, imperfect fir sure, but I still want him. As for the Scavies, should devote an entire video to them, their figures and history in the comics. Would be a fun watch.
@@PerspectiveEnd Maybe it's because they wouldn't serve a purpose during the transformation(solidifying connections and etc), and square tabs would look more out of place than castors
Maybe glitch used his "gift" to create a new constructed cold body and move his essential parts into it. A tarn spotlight series would have been great, with his seduction to decepticonism and sparring with megatron like overlord did.
I ironically had the opposite issue trying to get this guy. I ordered him on Amazon UK, and he wasn't to ship until March. Then wave 1 released in February. I decided to wait for Tarn, thinking it would be worth it. My two Scraphooks arrived ahead of schedule, but Tarn was nowhere in sighed. When the Date for him to ship came, It Didn't. I was passing my local toy store, went fuck it, and bought him and canceled my order I agree with everything tbh, He could have been taller and wider and those shoulders drive me mad. Rn, I have him crushing a Strafe i had and holding the Matrix chain in a power stance and I think thats how he will stay I still love him to death, but he ain't perfect
It sounds like you managed to get him into something cooler than I've been able to figure out. God I wish the shoulders were better, everything else was forgivable.
my only beef with this toy is the light piping on the head. The hole on top is so small sufficient light will never enter it unless you hold a flashlight right up to it.
I found a Tarn at my local Target but ended up leaving him there. For whatever reason he scanned for $45. Wasn't sure if maybe this was just the next inflation step up in prices overall, or just a one off pricing system F'up.
@@PerspectiveEnd I thought about doing that. Even grabbed a Jhaxus and started towards the register. But as i walking that way i started listing the cons. He's small, He's so very flat, and i already have a MMC Kultur. Just wasn't worth it. Sidenote: There were about ten Junkheaps there. I think he'll be the next voyager shelfwarmer plague.
I suppose I didn't mind the scaling difference because the rest of the plastic got used to fill almost every single gap on the figure. I showed him to my friend who hasn't collected a new Transformer in about a decade, and he was surprised that it actually transformed since the robot mode was so clean. I also feel like Jhiaxus is built like an 80s Action Character, so he'd be buffer than anybody except Prime, Megs or the Dinobots. Would've definitely been cooler at leader scale, and I 100% agree about the clear plastic chest; it should've been gray plastic that was sturdily pinned on. I've figured out the trick to transforming him correctly without popping it off, but it would've been nicer if I didn't have to worry about it
I mean even if that's the case. Tarn is supposed to be a literal giant with more in common with a Monster than a person. And Honestly none of that is my real issue. My real issue is the shoulders.
honestly, I rarely use the opening hands on this guy because they just look off too me, something about the shaping of the thumb and fingers just comes across as weird and makes it look like he has Lego minifigure hands when they are open. I don't get how they took a step back from Jhiaxus's very nice and expressive hands that don't look odd, unlike Tarn's hands.
I think so too, but I didn't want to mention it because I felt like I was already being more negative than this thing objectively deserved. I agree with them than the fingers needed to be pointed but these still look weird.
The same thing happened to me with Amazon. They pushed back the delivery date about a month and then it came in 3 days later. So I still got it at a decent time. But I agree, the first thing I though was that he is very thin
I think the only reason tarn isn’t as buff is for possibility and the transformation Let’s be honest there is no way they can make perfect panel accuracy with a voyager class price. if it was a commander class maybe. Question in transformers Cybertron we see that they are technically our transformers TV shows. What do you think they watch? because to me the only thing that pops into my mind is a version of Judge Judy, but with tarn.
I'm not asking for him to be hyper buff or anything, I just need him to be at MINIMUM normal voyager scale. What are technically our Transformers shows? Like what kind of Cybertronian TV would there be? I assume just normal stuff.
I found him at Target but they wanted $44.99 for some reason, so I wound up ordering him from Pulse. I feel like the fake wheels are a cost cutting measure from some galaxy brain at Hasbro who doesn't know how treads work.
I've been wanting to get this but the only thing that holds me back is the size. I'm not a scale nut but I agree tarn should be a big ass boy. I feel like they just didn't want to make him bigger than megatron or the same size as him, it's weird. Also it's so obvious it was roller it's painful they switched it to glitch. I've been reading the comics and haven't even finished them yet and even tho Ik it's glitch it's all pointing to roller in the most obvious non obvious way. One of idws misses with that reveal but tarn is still amazing
@@PerspectiveEnd lmk bro … I have a little honey pot target 5 mins from my spot I have no problem picking stuff up for you … I REALLY enjoy your channel so it helps me out lol
The QC on mine is fucking unacceptable. I've had basically every flippy/push/fold part snap the fuck off. The size I agree with. Tarn is almost uncomfortably skinny.
@@PerspectiveEnd I understand I'm a big guy playing with a toy designed for kids, but I always try to be super careful. I did an amazon order right when it came off of preorder on March 1st (really liked the 2 week shipping delay). Hasbro has to be pranking Americans at this point
Great review PerspectiveEnd!!!! Maybe Tarn is meant to scale with core class figures, which explains his small stature. lol That said, Tarn is still currently tied with Metalhawk in being my favorite voyager class figure of the Legacy Evolution line. Keep on being amazing.
Am I the only one who wishes that the rest of the Decepticon Justice Division gets released with Tarn now out, but also having the feeling that it would never happen because of the remaining members' alt modes, and because of how dark the DJD group is all around?
Finally something actually good… Not perfect but still ok Here’s me just ranting below: First is the size, he has this weird feeling that he feels small but is at the same height as Optimus so I’m not sure, secondly, the hot rod shoulders suck like really it sucks so much, in fact if that problem was fixed I would give it a 9/10 or a 10/10. Next is the arm cannon, I don’t know if it’s my copy or something but the connector that connects with the “guns” is just loose that if I nudge it, it will swivel around. And the arms seem too short… Anyways thanks for listening to me and “wasting your time” : ) Also at the end of the video it cuts off XD
What was wrong with Inferno? And Scrap Hook? Oh yeah, with better shoulders this could have been like a 9 out of 10. Mines about that loose too. And you didn't waste my time, but I did see what you did there.
I'm planning on getting one of the Legacy United Tarns but I don't know if I should buy the multipack version or the mainline reissue. Which would you recommend?
This truly is a connundrum, yea, he felt really flat to me in his robot mode, but I wasn't really bothered by it, cause I wasn't planning on getting him anyways. But you know how you can "justify it"? You can atribute it to Legacy's goal to chuggify/g1-ify the characters, so, for tarn, they took away his hulking nature. But that might still not work, for you, even if it's a thing.
There's a few minor spots of waffling, and the feet are hollow on the bottoms, plus the canon's have the hollowness on the insides that I showed. But the front and back of the figure are completely clean. Nothing in the way of hollowness there.
I did not not. Here's the backstory of my logo. ruclips.net/video/DVwPOJ96U64/видео.html The version of the logo I used on this video though is one that's mixed with tarns mask.
He looks so good and I am so excited to hopefully find him. I haven't gotten far enough to see him in the comics yet but just the basic concept is enough for me to pick him up, even if the Roller twist would've worked better. Honestly that whole point about how the Decepticons could corrupt someone that close to Optimus and the effect that has on him sounds so good and heartbreaking like Blackarachnia in Animated but without the restraints of keeping stuff aimed at a general audience. (And even then she freaked me out when I was little!)
@@PerspectiveEnd Ah well, at least I'll be interested in seeing how it plays out. I've already ended up spoiling myself on TFWiki about who Onyx Prime is because I wanted to know if the Maximals and Predacons were in IDW I'm just curious to see how it plays out. It's kinda like knowing the twist in the first Scream, just has me clue hunting. Unless of course the twist is like you said completely ludicrous just to throw people off. Would I prefer goin in blind? Yeah, but got no one to blame for myself on the Onyx Prime one.
Got this figure recently and love him. That being said, can’t wait for an eventual KO company to make an oversized version of this with fixed shoulders and maybe a bit more mass!
I personally love this figure. I agree that he should be bigger and damn those shoulders are an annoying and easily avoidable decision. But the sheer posing and presence makes it my favourite figure in my current collection. Mine really got fricked by the legacy qc though. Almost everything was loose, one of the cannons lower 5mm pegs got cut off and AN ENTIRE ONE-WAY PIN was missing out of the box. It really made me disappointed in the figure overall. Though I'm glad to hear that you didn't have any big tolerance issues.
One thing about the tank mode that I think goes unappreciated imo, is the amount of 5mm ports on it. Meaning you can make just an awful giga-killdozer with it, it's beautiful. In other news, I did it! I found Animated Prowl along with most of his wave 2 colleague at... er GameStop of all places, don't know why. But he's worth, nice to see an ab-crunch on a mainline figure. It's also nice to have a thinner figure with really good ass tolerances.
I got mine weeks back (for some odd reason Hasbro is very good at getting everything bar SS Leader classes out properly in Ireland) and the clear purple tabs broke. While it is a stand alone on my desk, I do get the too small thing, but the shoulders are the biggest problem for me. I'm delighted we got a Tarn, but I feel he should have been left to cook a bit longer. Nautica when Hasbro?
For Nautica, I think that some shared engineering with Legacy Elita 1 might be the way to go, except be reversed in alt mode, i.e the legs become the front of the submarine and the backpack becomes the end. This would allow for the turbine mountings, you could rework the legs to flip inwards, allowing for the curved legs to become the submarine front, and leave the rest of the transformation the same. Nautica was always on the more robust end of fembot designs, and I feel the Legacy Elita might be a good start point.
Firstly, I just wanna bring back an old Perspective meme: "I've been denied everything... even my - H O O T E R S." Second, the way you describe what they did with Tarn, making him Glitch because they found Roller out too early, I'm instantly reminded that DC did the exact same thing in Crisis in Time, by making Monarch's identity The Hawk instead of Captain Atom. Essentially, they made a red herring when it didn't make any sense because they still wanted a twist. - M Night Shyamalan musta ghostwrote for MTMTE, and also DC. Third, about the figure, I bought this along with Legacy Breakdown and core class Spike, and of the three, Tarn was the best. He could stand to be a little bigger, especially since he looks off next to Megs, but I'm not too mad at it. If an upgrade kit comes and gives him a better head, I will definitely pick it up, like I plan to with TMII Megs. But this figure is not too bad. Lastly, I posted a comment to your vid about the curse, and I don't know if you saw it, but I mentioned all the IDW stuff that they coulda made in Legacy, but we only got Tarn and Blurr for some reason.
Man I needed to do some Audio gags with this but I just didn't think too. I wish I had more time to work on this one. I would assume this would be the best of the three of those yes, but what's wrong with the head in your eyes. For me it's all about the terribleness of the shoulders. Hopefully that means they will do more. I mean this stuff is selling.
My Tarns rig elbow is just loose enough to where he doesn’t like to pose with the guns. (Jhiaxus is the exact same). I display both without a pose for space anyway so it’s not a big deal. Thought I was crazy for thinking he was slightly to shirt and thin. The shoulders bugged me as soon as a got him
I’m really glad I got the oversized black mamba ko of this mold. Yeah the shoulders ass and the ko is the wrong shade of purple but the sheer size and incorporation of diecast makes it FEEL like tarn
@@PerspectiveEnd also the more its brought up the worse the reveal that he was glitch is like it makes sense within the world of IDW but it still feels like just a bait-n-switch for the sake of shock value
I have a similar feeling that I "should" like it more than I actually do. Agree that Tarn feels a bit too slight, and needed to be taller, or beefier, or both.
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Tarn in IDW is shorter than Megatron, he appears big because apart from Magnus and Megs most of the main Lost Light bots are on the smaller side of the scale.
I'm hoping for at least Nickel when it comes to the rest of the DJD, she'd be a neat Core class or accessoried Deluxe.
I mean there's a shot of Megatron standing next to magnus and they are the same size.
It'd be sick to get a Nickle.
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TFWiki has a panel of Tarn shaking hands with Skids. Looks about Seeker/ Optimus size, to me. Even grabbed my Skids to compare.
And sizes in the comics & G1 cartoon (it's more consistent, once they moved to CGI) are inconsistent, depending on how careful the artist is being & what the story calls for.
I can't imagine Hasbro passing on the chance to do a Leader that isn't that complex, but they probably found the Skids panel & went with that as the scale.
Further down Tarn's TFWiki, there's a pic that has him the same size as Deathsaurus. I'd rather get a wider release Voyager, than force a bigger size class, that's often harder to find, just to cash in. I doubt Megatron would rebuild an Autobot he turned that powerful. Big & strong, yes. Bigger & stronger than him, no. What if he reverted?
Sorry for the multiple pings, if that happened. Edits kept merging the first few letters with your name, because RUclips/ Google can't code.
@@remus_lupin He's about perfect in scale to the Gamer edition WFC Optimus, and his posing is so good that I currently have him on display catching Optimus' axe and kicking him in the chest in the same motion.
This is for sure one of the best voyagers Hasbro’s come out with, there’s no denying that! Tarn is such a solid figure, everything from the quality to the paint is amazing and grade A. Hope Hasbro makes more DJD members because we not the entire set!
I mean I think I kind of denied that. I want to love it so bad but I cant.
But yes the paint is off the charts.
@perspectiveend keep up the good work over here in the UK we love your videos
@@plazma75Dang you got to hell? How’s the weather down there?
@@Blakhulk79 His videos suck.
@@PerspectiveEnd Yeah. Go to hell.
Well...I wasn't expecting that. Out of all the things to complain about, I never would've expected the size and the damn width of the figure. I've heard so many people praise how thin this guy is and that he has zero kibble, which in of itself is a miracle. But the sagging elbows really do kill it for me. I did fix mine with super glue so they are at least sturdy enough to hold his cannon up, but the fact that I had to do that combined with the fact that Hasbro decided that THIS figure of all of Legacy needed gap fillets for EVERYTHING made it so annoying. Hollowness isn't bad because it let's you fix figures like this. And if not, just give us screws that we can take out. I do like this thing, but I think I like it more for the acknowledgement of the character than the actual toy.
To be fair that's not my real issue. My real issue is just those damn shoulders.
It should have been bigger. The character is a bigger one in the comics, so there's no reason for it to be below average, but it's the Shoulders. It's all them. Everything else was forgivable.
That’s the thing he’s TOO thin there’s too much of a good thing he has not kibble because he is the kibble
I never really liked how edgy the IDW comics were but I loved Tarn. The way he went from faux class to full brutality without warning added so much tension to every book he appeared in. His interactions with Megatron were some of my favorite in all Transformers. When I see a Tarn I’m getting him, even if he’s not the flawless diamond the character deserves.
I didn't really see IDW as Edgy, not more than most comic books. All Hail Megatron was Edgy but most of it was normal, and I think all hail was like that because it was trying to be like the movies.
Thing is this could have been so close to flawless if it weren't for those shoulders.
@@PerspectiveEnd My introduction to the series was Spotlight Megatron, the DJD, and Arcee’s godawful origin story. There’s a chance I’ve just stumbled into all of the darkest parts of the universe but everything I’ve seen has been pretty edgy. No shade I’d you like that kind of thing, it’s just not for me.
Tarn is the only guy who can wear his faction logo on his face and not make it look cringe
Looking at you ROTB scourge
It helps that the Decepticon Faction Logo looks way cooler.
@@PerspectiveEnd Hello,Perspective end!Do you think Lio Prime is worth it or not?
@@PerspectiveEnd it also doesn't help at ALL that other than the classic badges, the only good one was the of predacons, even the maximals kinda sucks in my opinion
@@PerspectiveEnd apparently ROTB Scourge is able to remove his mask similar to Tarn.
@@heartlessnobody1143 Which Predacons?
Now let’s get the one that transforms into a electric chair
Kaon. That was Kaon.
He looks even more terrifying with the light piping. Because either he looks like he's dead, which is just horrifying, or it looks like he's about to rip you in half
Well you know me. Me and lightpiping are enemies.
I don't have Tarn yet but I do have Leo Prime and the way you described your reaction to getting Tarn is exactly how I felt getting Leo. He's very similar in that he's shockingly small for a voyager and feels almost perfect but has a few minor but glaring flaws that hold him back
Really? I didn't notice that for lio prime my self.
1- Grimlock is just smaller in IDW than in G1, though... and Tarn wasn´t as big as him, Tesarus and Helex were. Always thought that a good Tarn figure should be a voyager that was slightly smaller than Megatron (maybe a comparison with Siege Megs is needed here) while Helex and Tesarus are leader class (Grimlock size) Kaon is a large deluxe with lots of panneling to sit a voyager Optimus on his electric chair mode, Vos a core class/battlemaster so Tarn can wield it in his sniper mode, then core class Nickel. Oh, and micromaster Pet Ambus.
2- Isn´t Overlord the one that scares the Autobots the most, or Sixshot? Tarn isn´t even a phase-sixer... it scares other decepticons the most, that is true. This actually would scale fine with titans return Overlord...
3- In the website TFSafari there´s already an upgrade kit for Tarn, and it includes pannels to hide away his hands in alt-mode.
1 Grimlock isn't big in G1, he's the same size as Optimus, and I posted a picture of him in IDW where you can see his scale in comparison to regular sized dudes. Multiple Regular Dudes could ride on his back.
2 Tarn is a Phase Sixer. He took the super fuel, and if you remember he was introduced Killing a Phaze Sixer.
3 Hopefully there's one for the shoulders because that's really what kills it for me.
@@PerspectiveEnd Tarn is not a phase sixer... it´s not the super fuel that made them such, but the alloy in their underskeleton. As for how they killed BlackShadow, well, phase sixers aren´t immune to Tarn´s voice, and its first effect is paralysis.
As for the Glitch/Roller switch... I mean, it´s not the only fail of the saga, and not my main issue. My main issue is Anode, and how she should have needed Rung´s crystal to fix Lug, and how that whole thing did not carry any consequences for her. I can see why Roller wouldn´t be it, as he´s a point one percenter and not a member of Shockwave Xavier´s school for gifted youngsters, and it somehow feels like an evolution of Glitch power.
As for empurata being unfixable... the only 2 characters that we´ve confirmed had it done to them besides Gltich are Shockwave, who was too short on emotions to care to fix it, and Whirl, who seems like he never got actual hands instead of claws because he wanted to keep being angry at the universe. And also, cared more about his clock-making hands than his face.
Perspective, have you got your hands on the new Legacy Shrapnel yet?
Apart from his slightly skinny waist and typically simple enough transformation, he's SOOOOOO good!
I have not located that yet. I didn't even know it was out.
I love Legacy Shrapnel so much, even though like you said the transformation is simple, it still feels to me like there is so much more going on compared to kickback. My only issue with him is the complete lack of heels means he really likes falling over if you have him in the wrong pose. I just wish I had more blast effect pieces since he is just covered in ports, but I only have what came with the titans and commanders. Also praise the lack of energon weapon that has to sit off to the side but is still needed to gap fill the alt mode like kickback's thorax "blades"
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Huh. I only remembered Tarn being the same size as Megatron, not as big as Grimlock. I thought Crucible and the melter guy were the ones that big. Who’s ready for leader class Crucible?!
Because as a matter of fact he isn’t as big as grimlock or overlord, he’s megatron sized.
It would have been really funny if this figure had had the best transformation ever so people wanted to do it over and over to represent Tarn’s transforming addiction
Except we see in the comic him Fight Grimlock in hand to hand and he was as tall as Grimlock and Beefier.
We also can see by the Roller image I posted in this video what his size would be in comparison to Pax. Even if we discount roller being Tarn, it'd be a bad miss direct if he was smaller than the guy they were misdirecting to.
I mean in the first comic where Tarn shows up, he fights Grimlock in hand to hand so you can get a good comparison to his size.
@@PerspectiveEnd yeah, but that’s his first appearance, that can always be chalked up to early instalment weirdness. In everything else I can find, he’s slightly shorter than Megatron. Just look at his, Megatron and Overlord’s confrontation. A scene were they’re just talking is a far more accurate depiction of scale in my opinion, and if you were expecting a grimlock sized figure out the voyager price point, frankly you were bound for disappointment. He is far too thin though, that’s definitely true.
I'm glad someone else pointed out the oddly proportioned aspects of this figure
Welcome brother.
I think Tarns altmode is able to tread the delicate line of "it's a tank" and "it's alien"
Also, I ask a question about what autobots would you choose for a team of 12 (7 bots and a team of 5), so now I ask what 12 cons would you would have (7 and team of 5). Which bot, what would they turn into, and what personality would you give them.
Maybe that's just it.
I don't remember you asking me before. Like what am I choosing them for?
Combat effectiveness or like how much I want to write for them?
@@PerspectiveEnd like, if Hasbro asked you to make a transformer show, and said you had to use 12 decipticons (tema of 5 included), who would you choose, what altmodes,and how would you want their personality to be.
I know this may sound weird but, maybe it would’ve been better if they made Tarn a leader class, just slightly taller than what he is right now, give him reworked shoulders and more bulk, and to make the price worth it, put in a core class nickel. That could pose unlike wheelie.
Absolutely, I would have been thrilled with what you just suggested.
Then why is tarn a yoyager to begin with?
@@kevinp.h157Probably for the Bludgeon retool.
@@kevinp.h157 hasbro isn't smart?
This tarn is in my top 10 this year like the way it looks gives me vibes that I doesn't look like it can transform and yet it can I don't mind the transformation but this I have to say is the best transformers figure done by Hasbro and best decepticon with out a doubt.
I'd agree, if it weren't for the shoulders. It's so close to amazing, but those shoulders just kill it for me.
@@PerspectiveEnd well congrats you had black heart
i mean, Tarn was around megatron's height in the comic. This is a voyager so it's how he should be
Here's the thing. Megatron was the same height as Ultra Magnus in the comics. Megatron was a GIANT in IDW.
@@PerspectiveEnd no not really, ultra magnus was the same size as Optimus. Megatron was no giant
6:15 Bayonetta: “tch, amateur.”
What cause he's not using those for heels?
I'd love to see her try using those as heels on her shoe's, her toes would be feet off the ground.
I think this tarn figure is just "glitch" that didnt just grew in size when becoming tarn and the hotrod shoulders
my god that mkes so much sense.
@@PerspectiveEnd theres no comfirmation that is the reason why its small but its just a theory
I got this figure the other day and my first thought was that the shoulders could have been fixed to prevent the hot rod shoulder
Same. That's my real concern here.
I had the opportunity to talk to James Robert’s at tfn this year and I asked him about tarns identity it turns out Robert’s never wanted tarn to have an identity and wanted to keep his identity always hidden but the fans were rabidly amusing it was roller so it forced Robert’s to make it someone the truth was tarn wasn’t supposed to anyone behind the mask the fans just went to apeshit in trying to work out who this new Badass looking con was, thus forcing Robert’s to MAKE IT someone.
I was able to get Tarn a bit early winning him from a raffle but after receiving around December, I just haven’t touched him since. Many of the points you’ve discussed is what I found problems with the figure. I was so excited when he was announced but I wish he was sooo much better. My favorite figure from the wave is Lio Convoy/Prime and I haven’t stopped messing with him since I got him.
I'm sad to say, that I also Prefer Lio Prime.
I’m just happy they didn’t fuck with the design like the Prime and Animated figures.
Size is a Bit inconsistent, but you can see in Rollers Bio that I showed in this video, what his size is compared to Orion Paxes, so that's the minimum for how big he could be.
However we do see in his First on panel appearance when they wreck the Scavengers, he fights Grimlock, and they are of equal size, and he Dominates Grimlock, who was mentally impaired at the time, but none the less he didn't know that and was disappointed that Grimlock couldn't even put up any kind of fight, because he was hoping that Grimlock could be even remotely a good time.
And Tarn is shown to be a coward if the thinks he could lose, so the fact that he didn't try to cheat and actually wanted a fight shows that he's supremely confident that Grimlock isn't a threat to him even at full strength.
But this was a Question about size, and in that fight Tarn was bigger than Grimlock.
So basically this is what happens when Plankton gets the formula right, but the measurements are wrong
I didn't watch Spongebob growing up... So I guess?
Actually I remember in TFnation Manchester can’t remember who but the guy who designed Tarantulas was there and said he just made the designs and didn’t really know how they would transform and I was like “Dam third party designers must hate this guy” Also he did mention something about Earthspark Tarantulas
Yeah Tarantulas cheats by having his groin be a different color than should be possible.
he's got that stick-build. in hindsight, it makes sense with what the charather is supposed to be AFTER the reveal, but yea, for half of the comic he's depicted as "fully big", not "scrawny with a big chest pieces" and we expected that
I mean he only shows up in 6 issues of the comic, so like by half are you saying 3?
I managed to pick up a Buzzworthy Bumblebee Jazz today, and a neat little ROTB Skullcruncher that transforms from Crocodile to a cannon for larger figures.
Also dang, I heard nothing but praise for this figure.
How are you liking those things?
Based on the comments I'm getting on this video, I'm voicing the frustrations of many people.
I just got him today after paying way too much on Hasbro pulse, and I absolutely love him, my only problems are that his cannon doesn't lock in on his arm and his knee pads stick out in his alt mode. Also his eyes are hard to see and I wish his mask could come off. He is now one of my favorite figures ever.
I'm happy to hear that you don't feel the same way I do. Awesome that you enjoy it so much.
Perspective upon looking at Tarn's size and SHOULDERS: "Look how they massacred my boy"
Absolutely 100%.
Looking forward to getting this guy, due to arrive in a couple of days. Thankyou for using Jhiaxus as a reference, that was actually the reference point my mind was going to from what I'd seen. The shoulder articulation doesnt bother me too much, but I agree it would have been better to put the joint on the arm. Will update this in a couple of days when I've had a chance to get him in hand.
I hope when you get it in hand you will like it more than I do.
@PerspectiveEnd So it arrived last night with a bunch of other figures and it's an odd one, I like the look, it's a striking figure and articulation is ok, shoulder joints dont bother me as expected but as you noted it's just too small in comparison with other figures, makes it feel slight and just less imposing than if it was 30 to 50 % larger. I got Skyquake as well and while my opinions on that figure are another thing entirely, the mass difference is really noticable. Still think its overall a quality figure, but falls just short of being amazing.
I don’t know how Tarn is so hard to find nowadays, but I NEED this guy, j can handle the fact that he is not the size of Grimlock, but I feel this is the best CHUG version of the Tarn (and the only one)
but how and why is he so rare, I can’t find him
He was hard to find when he was out normally. It was really frustrating.
@@PerspectiveEnd Eugh
Tarn is the embodyment of horror. And he is smaller than Optimus prime? Cmon hasbro, if they make an oversized version I will not hesitate for a second to buy it.
Same, though I'd hope an Oversized version would have better shoulders.
Slim build aside, he looks excellent. Both modes are quite clean and he looks plenty menacing. Also, Mafia elbows 😂
Glad you are liking it more than me.
@@PerspectiveEnd I didn’t pick him up, but I might.
I knew he was a little on the shorter side but yikes he flat, even though I don’t give a care about IDW or scale(usually) I think of Tarn to at least be the same height as Optimus but WAY THICKER.
Yeah he's supposed to be a JACKED DUDE.
Yeah the theory about Roller being Tarn makes more sense than Tarn being Glitch mostly because he claims the talk killing was a skill not a evolution of his point one percenter spark
Also why would Glitch gaining mass make him look like Roller?
Just got the leagcy united version, from cyberverse. I personally love it. I do agree the shoulders are annoying but i tolerate it.
Glad they are bothering you less than me.
bro had so much pent up anger for that glitch dude lmao
Yes, because it's stupid and insulting to our Intelligences, that they expected us to buy that. It makes no sense.
I am so glad Hasbro finally acknowledges IDW characters in this year. So far, aside from the thinness, I do really like this figure - that said I do get your issues with the figure.
Half wondering if we'll ever get the other DJD, though I imagine Vos is gonna have his alt mode changed (unless the dual fusion cannons on Tarn are meant to reference Vos' rifle mode).
I’m not saying it’s not treat that we’re getting him but they’ve acknowledged IDW characters before now: several generations figures based on IDW designs for starters, Drift getting brought into the toyline at lightning speed, and more recently stuff like TR Nautica and the little battlemaster Rung
I also doubt an electric chair would be allowed as an alt mode
@@Roboshi2007 it’s not an electric chair, it’s a “cyber-shock chair” 😉
I hope they do the other memebers, outside if it being hard to make Vos I don't see them having a reason to not.
I remember when micromaster Rung came out and I was so pleasantly surprised to see an idw character in official toy form. I never would have guessed that we would be getting something this awesome.
I mean I wish I could say that this is awesome, but it is still nice to get more IDW.
I just HATE these shoulders so damn much.
We got the springer from 30th that was idw A nick roche design
I bought him day 1, sadly I got hit by the QC goblin and his right shoulder tread kept popping off during transformation no matter what I did. I tried to fix it over a week but it never worked and I gotta get another one
Wait man, that sounds like a Blessing? The Tread comes off. That means that you could like replace the shoulder, I'd kill to get my treads off without a mountain of work.
@@PerspectiveEnd the outer tread, not the tread that connects to the main body and is the hotrod shoulder
IM AND ACTUALLY OVER THE MOON WITH THE INFORMATION I HAVE FOUND. Remember when I said I wanted a ss devavstor??? WELLLLLLLL, it has happened to be rumored it may be in the works late 2023 or maybe 2024. this makes me soooooo happy. I think they might all be Voyagers and hopefully not all leaders if they were tho, that would be interesting. Anywho ima just say one last thing, IT DOES FEEL GOOD TO BE RIGHT. I understand that now when you were right about a space wheeljack indefinitely coming pe.
OH AND THEY ALL MIGHT BE 2 PACKS.
oh i love it tarn is my favorite character in idw so i will 100 percent find one and maybe a whats the best tarn
I hope when you do, you love it more than I do.
It’s alright all things considered. It has great posing and great silhouettes. But it’s not gods gift to this earth. The transformation is boring and the chest on mine pops off. But hey I’m glad to have him.
My first instinct is that it doesn't have good posing, but no it's really good on that front, it's just those damn shoulders are so ugly it ruins that for me.
A shame he wasn't as good as you hoped. I got Legacy RID Scourge come yesterday and although I haven't transformed him yet (mostly because I'm lazy and partially because I'm terrified of breaking any of my figures) his truck mode is godly.
I absolutely love trucks with trailers. It's part of the reason I want Earthrise Optimus so bad.
Oh man that thing does look soooooo good in truck mode, it's one of the things best features. The Trailer is well done too as opposed to the ER one.
@@PerspectiveEnd Yeah the trailer is sick. Love the amount of detail.
Part of me now wants to see a third party version of this figure, but upscaled and with fixed shoulder joints just because you mentioned them
I'd love to see that too. And those shoulders are the first thing I'd want them to change.
The perfect time of this video releasing, I literally just picked him up last night
I hope you like it more than me.
@PerspectiveEnd oh yea it's definitely worth it.
I can't wait to find this figure, I can FINALLY find Legacy Wave 3 in my area, but no Legacy Evo, I cant wait to find him!!
I hope it pleases you more than me.
I have a way that this could have been fucking perfect.
1: Make his shoulders normal
2: Make him the height of Kingdom Galvatron
3: Stick his backpack and calves out to make him have more depth
4: Add an alternate head with the mask off
5: Add an ab crunch
6: Have the hands flip away in alt mode
7: *slightly* darker purple
8: Charge leader price
That would be literally perfect
While I would like most of those, I think the only one that was NEEDED was #1.
I don’t know if it’s just me but I remember him being around megatron’s size
Megatron in IDW was as tall as Ultra Magnus.
He could be one of the best legacy figure ever if he doesn't have that stupid hot rod shoulder
100% Agreed.
I do have this figure but there were a few problems I had with, one major problem I had is that the tab that’s supposed to connect his legs broke off while the legs were connected when I was first transforming him
That sucks, sorry to hear that, though at least the cannon's tabs should hold it together in tank mode.
Yeah but I can fix the leg tab it’s an easy fix I just need glue
I got this as Bludgeon, and the slim guy in armour vibe feels right with his skeleton samurai style.
It definitely makes more sense for that character.
this tarn looks like if he were actually glitch
That is a Great Damn Point.
This is figure of year for me I found 3 months early in my mall and loved ever since
I'm glad to hear that you are enjoying this more than me.
Me and my mom couldn't find him anywhere near us.
Have to order him online now.
Also nice job with the Scavengers nod.
Always appreciate seeing mei bois receive acknowledgement.
I appreciate that too, I just wish my boi here had better shoulders.
@@PerspectiveEnd Yeah, imperfect fir sure, but I still want him. As for the Scavies, should devote an entire video to them, their figures and history in the comics. Would be a fun watch.
8:14 I think the castors/faux wheels might be there to prevent paint chipping.
I assume so, but then why aren't they just square tabs, instead of faux castors?
@@PerspectiveEnd Maybe it's because they wouldn't serve a purpose during the transformation(solidifying connections and etc), and square tabs would look more out of place than castors
Maybe glitch used his "gift" to create a new constructed cold body and move his essential parts into it. A tarn spotlight series would have been great, with his seduction to decepticonism and sparring with megatron like overlord did.
That would have helped, though I would like to question why Glitch's new body looks like Roller in a Mask and Treads.
I ironically had the opposite issue trying to get this guy. I ordered him on Amazon UK, and he wasn't to ship until March. Then wave 1 released in February. I decided to wait for Tarn, thinking it would be worth it. My two Scraphooks arrived ahead of schedule, but Tarn was nowhere in sighed. When the Date for him to ship came, It Didn't. I was passing my local toy store, went fuck it, and bought him and canceled my order
I agree with everything tbh, He could have been taller and wider and those shoulders drive me mad. Rn, I have him crushing a Strafe i had and holding the Matrix chain in a power stance and I think thats how he will stay
I still love him to death, but he ain't perfect
It sounds like you managed to get him into something cooler than I've been able to figure out.
God I wish the shoulders were better, everything else was forgivable.
my only beef with this toy is the light piping on the head. The hole on top is so small sufficient light will never enter it unless you hold a flashlight right up to it.
I mean even when it's bigger it still doesn't tend to work well.
I found a Tarn at my local Target but ended up leaving him there. For whatever reason he scanned for $45. Wasn't sure if maybe this was just the next inflation step up in prices overall, or just a one off pricing system F'up.
Nah, you should have taken it to the register and pointed out that the price was wrong and that it should have been 30 dollars as a Voyager.
Try Gamestop $34.99
@@PerspectiveEnd I thought about doing that. Even grabbed a Jhaxus and started towards the register. But as i walking that way i started listing the cons. He's small, He's so very flat, and i already have a MMC Kultur. Just wasn't worth it.
Sidenote: There were about ten Junkheaps there. I think he'll be the next voyager shelfwarmer plague.
So it’s like ER Optimus Prime where he is good but you just don’t like it?
Pretty much yeah, and I want to love this so hard.
I suppose I didn't mind the scaling difference because the rest of the plastic got used to fill almost every single gap on the figure. I showed him to my friend who hasn't collected a new Transformer in about a decade, and he was surprised that it actually transformed since the robot mode was so clean. I also feel like Jhiaxus is built like an 80s Action Character, so he'd be buffer than anybody except Prime, Megs or the Dinobots. Would've definitely been cooler at leader scale, and I 100% agree about the clear plastic chest; it should've been gray plastic that was sturdily pinned on. I've figured out the trick to transforming him correctly without popping it off, but it would've been nicer if I didn't have to worry about it
I mean even if that's the case. Tarn is supposed to be a literal giant with more in common with a Monster than a person.
And Honestly none of that is my real issue. My real issue is the shoulders.
@@PerspectiveEnd Tarn is not a giant and never was. Аnd now, after twitter discussion, you know it. Hi >:3
How is it that Siege Shockwave looks more intimidating than the literal face degloving serial killer?
I don't know that he looks more intimidating, but this dude should be so much more intimidating than Shockwave it's not funny.
@@PerspectiveEnd I meant in toy form. Tarn should have been a leader class figure. Instead he is about the same size as Kingdom Cyclonus.
honestly, I rarely use the opening hands on this guy because they just look off too me, something about the shaping of the thumb and fingers just comes across as weird and makes it look like he has Lego minifigure hands when they are open. I don't get how they took a step back from Jhiaxus's very nice and expressive hands that don't look odd, unlike Tarn's hands.
I think so too, but I didn't want to mention it because I felt like I was already being more negative than this thing objectively deserved.
I agree with them than the fingers needed to be pointed but these still look weird.
The same thing happened to me with Amazon. They pushed back the delivery date about a month and then it came in 3 days later. So I still got it at a decent time. But I agree, the first thing I though was that he is very thin
I don't know what they were doing, they were getting them so late, and then to push it back like that.
I think the only reason tarn isn’t as buff is for possibility and the transformation Let’s be honest there is no way they can make perfect panel accuracy with a voyager class price. if it was a commander class maybe. Question in transformers Cybertron we see that they are technically our transformers TV shows. What do you think they watch? because to me the only thing that pops into my mind is a version of Judge Judy, but with tarn.
I'm not asking for him to be hyper buff or anything, I just need him to be at MINIMUM normal voyager scale.
What are technically our Transformers shows?
Like what kind of Cybertronian TV would there be? I assume just normal stuff.
@@PerspectiveEnd he is. He is a normal Voyager Size.
I found him at Target but they wanted $44.99 for some reason, so I wound up ordering him from Pulse.
I feel like the fake wheels are a cost cutting measure from some galaxy brain at Hasbro who doesn't know how treads work.
Yeah someone else told me he rang up for 44.99 and that's weird.
Just throw a decepticon mask on Shattered Glass Grimlock. Instant Big Tarn.
That would have his feel more for sure.
So is the MCC one the better or the two?
I was also looking at getting the female variant. What's your thoughts on both?
Well I will just have to do a WTB on it wont I?
I have Tarn
I like him but the swivel on the fusion cannon connection is too loose.
It's a little lose on mine too, but it holds.
I've been wanting to get this but the only thing that holds me back is the size. I'm not a scale nut but I agree tarn should be a big ass boy. I feel like they just didn't want to make him bigger than megatron or the same size as him, it's weird. Also it's so obvious it was roller it's painful they switched it to glitch. I've been reading the comics and haven't even finished them yet and even tho Ik it's glitch it's all pointing to roller in the most obvious non obvious way. One of idws misses with that reveal but tarn is still amazing
Yeah, it's blatantly obvious to the point where you have to question how they thought it was going to be a secret in the first place.
I would love a commander class tarn.
I'd be fine with a Leader, or just a Bigger voyager one, provided they fixed the shoulders.
SO CRAZY I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIND YOUR VIDEO ON HIM YESTERDAY NOW I SEE YOU HAD NOT DONE ONE YET
Yeah it's been hard to get some of these in hand to review them.
@@PerspectiveEnd lmk bro … I have a little honey pot target 5 mins from my spot I have no problem picking stuff up for you … I REALLY enjoy your channel so it helps me out lol
The QC on mine is fucking unacceptable. I've had basically every flippy/push/fold part snap the fuck off. The size I agree with. Tarn is almost uncomfortably skinny.
Sorry to hear about yours, I didn't realize there were going to be QC problems wit this thing.
@@PerspectiveEnd I understand I'm a big guy playing with a toy designed for kids, but I always try to be super careful. I did an amazon order right when it came off of preorder on March 1st (really liked the 2 week shipping delay). Hasbro has to be pranking Americans at this point
Great review PerspectiveEnd!!!! Maybe Tarn is meant to scale with core class figures, which explains his small stature. lol That said, Tarn is still currently tied with Metalhawk in being my favorite voyager class figure of the Legacy Evolution line. Keep on being amazing.
Glad that you are liking it so much, and I had considered that he might be best scaled to legends figures.
@@PerspectiveEnd It works, especially when he's standing next to core class Optimus Prime. lol
@@PerspectiveEnd oh yeah i like that video it's i want kill myself
Am I the only one who wishes that the rest of the Decepticon Justice Division gets released with Tarn now out, but also having the feeling that it would never happen because of the remaining members' alt modes, and because of how dark the DJD group is all around?
No you are not the only one, I hope for them to do that too.
Do you have Lio Prime yet? I think you will like him except for his legs on his arms
It breaks my heart to say this... I like Lio Prime more than this.
@@PerspectiveEnd wow. Can't wait for the review then
Finally something actually good…
Not perfect but still ok
Here’s me just ranting below:
First is the size, he has this weird feeling that he feels small but is at the same height as Optimus so I’m not sure, secondly, the hot rod shoulders suck like really it sucks so much, in fact if that problem was fixed I would give it a 9/10 or a 10/10. Next is the arm cannon, I don’t know if it’s my copy or something but the connector that connects with the “guns” is just loose that if I nudge it, it will swivel around. And the arms seem too short…
Anyways thanks for listening to me and “wasting your time” : )
Also at the end of the video it cuts off XD
I mean Dragon Megatron was also great
What was wrong with Inferno? And Scrap Hook?
Oh yeah, with better shoulders this could have been like a 9 out of 10.
Mines about that loose too.
And you didn't waste my time, but I did see what you did there.
I'm planning on getting one of the Legacy United Tarns but I don't know if I should buy the multipack version or the mainline reissue. Which would you recommend?
8:15 I think this confirms my theory that there were budget cuts.
Potentially yes.
This truly is a connundrum, yea, he felt really flat to me in his robot mode, but I wasn't really bothered by it, cause I wasn't planning on getting him anyways. But you know how you can "justify it"? You can atribute it to Legacy's goal to chuggify/g1-ify the characters, so, for tarn, they took away his hulking nature. But that might still not work, for you, even if it's a thing.
That doesn't really address my main issue though, and that's just that those shoulders are hideous.
@@PerspectiveEnd well, I wasn't addressing that main issue.
I heard that Tarn has no hollow areas. Is it true?
There's a few minor spots of waffling, and the feet are hollow on the bottoms, plus the canon's have the hollowness on the insides that I showed. But the front and back of the figure are completely clean. Nothing in the way of hollowness there.
@@PerspectiveEnd I guess that is a yes.
Did you base your profile off of tarn's mask?
I did not not.
Here's the backstory of my logo.
ruclips.net/video/DVwPOJ96U64/видео.html
The version of the logo I used on this video though is one that's mixed with tarns mask.
@@PerspectiveEnd k
He looks so good and I am so excited to hopefully find him. I haven't gotten far enough to see him in the comics yet but just the basic concept is enough for me to pick him up, even if the Roller twist would've worked better. Honestly that whole point about how the Decepticons could corrupt someone that close to Optimus and the effect that has on him sounds so good and heartbreaking like Blackarachnia in Animated but without the restraints of keeping stuff aimed at a general audience. (And even then she freaked me out when I was little!)
I wouldn't put too many expectations on the reveal, when it happens it's almost in passing.
@@PerspectiveEnd Ah well, at least I'll be interested in seeing how it plays out. I've already ended up spoiling myself on TFWiki about who Onyx Prime is because I wanted to know if the Maximals and Predacons were in IDW I'm just curious to see how it plays out. It's kinda like knowing the twist in the first Scream, just has me clue hunting. Unless of course the twist is like you said completely ludicrous just to throw people off. Would I prefer goin in blind? Yeah, but got no one to blame for myself on the Onyx Prime one.
Got this figure recently and love him. That being said, can’t wait for an eventual KO company to make an oversized version of this with fixed shoulders and maybe a bit more mass!
Tarn looks like fun. Also, I forgot which deluxe of this wave hadn't got a Perspective End video... then I remembered Breakdown's existence.
Yeah, I've not found a Breakdown honestly.
Can you review the rest of the MMC DJD if you have them it would be cool?
I have a few more though no where near all of them.
I personally love this figure. I agree that he should be bigger and damn those shoulders are an annoying and easily avoidable decision. But the sheer posing and presence makes it my favourite figure in my current collection. Mine really got fricked by the legacy qc though. Almost everything was loose, one of the cannons lower 5mm pegs got cut off and AN ENTIRE ONE-WAY PIN was missing out of the box. It really made me disappointed in the figure overall. Though I'm glad to hear that you didn't have any big tolerance issues.
Sorry to hear about yours, I will say the only QC I really had with mine was the right arm sagging, and the paint splatter on the right leg.
One thing about the tank mode that I think goes unappreciated imo, is the amount of 5mm ports on it. Meaning you can make just an awful giga-killdozer with it, it's beautiful.
In other news, I did it! I found Animated Prowl along with most of his wave 2 colleague at... er GameStop of all places, don't know why. But he's worth, nice to see an ab-crunch on a mainline figure. It's also nice to have a thinner figure with really good ass tolerances.
I wish I'd thought to mention that, but I was too focused on the Shoulders.
Prowl is quite good yes.
Now what we need is a KO version of this figure
A beefier one with better shoulders.
I got mine weeks back (for some odd reason Hasbro is very good at getting everything bar SS Leader classes out properly in Ireland) and the clear purple tabs broke. While it is a stand alone on my desk, I do get the too small thing, but the shoulders are the biggest problem for me. I'm delighted we got a Tarn, but I feel he should have been left to cook a bit longer.
Nautica when Hasbro?
Same, it really needed to be refined. Honestly those pins scream GET THIS OUT THE DOOR. And not like it's a finished product.
Yes. Nautica Please.
For Nautica, I think that some shared engineering with Legacy Elita 1 might be the way to go, except be reversed in alt mode, i.e the legs become the front of the submarine and the backpack becomes the end. This would allow for the turbine mountings, you could rework the legs to flip inwards, allowing for the curved legs to become the submarine front, and leave the rest of the transformation the same. Nautica was always on the more robust end of fembot designs, and I feel the Legacy Elita might be a good start point.
Hasbro is really going hard on the villains, Jhiaxus, TM2 Megatron and now Tarn
I'd say yeah in general they are.
It’s like if tarn started working out 2 weeks ago
Yeah, honestly this is Tarn pre-GAINS.
Firstly, I just wanna bring back an old Perspective meme:
"I've been denied everything... even my -
H O O T E R S."
Second, the way you describe what they did with Tarn, making him Glitch because they found Roller out too early, I'm instantly reminded that DC did the exact same thing in Crisis in Time, by making Monarch's identity The Hawk instead of Captain Atom. Essentially, they made a red herring when it didn't make any sense because they still wanted a twist.
- M Night Shyamalan musta ghostwrote for MTMTE, and also DC.
Third, about the figure, I bought this along with Legacy Breakdown and core class Spike, and of the three, Tarn was the best. He could stand to be a little bigger, especially since he looks off next to Megs, but I'm not too mad at it. If an upgrade kit comes and gives him a better head, I will definitely pick it up, like I plan to with TMII Megs. But this figure is not too bad.
Lastly, I posted a comment to your vid about the curse, and I don't know if you saw it, but I mentioned all the IDW stuff that they coulda made in Legacy, but we only got Tarn and Blurr for some reason.
Man I needed to do some Audio gags with this but I just didn't think too. I wish I had more time to work on this one.
I would assume this would be the best of the three of those yes, but what's wrong with the head in your eyes.
For me it's all about the terribleness of the shoulders.
Hopefully that means they will do more. I mean this stuff is selling.
Here’s hoping we get some kind of Upscaled KO of this figure cause I’m not paying over 300 bucks for the MMC one.
Understandable, and yes I hope for an OSKO one but only if it fixes the shoulders.
My Tarns rig elbow is just loose enough to where he doesn’t like to pose with the guns. (Jhiaxus is the exact same). I display both without a pose for space anyway so it’s not a big deal. Thought I was crazy for thinking he was slightly to shirt and thin. The shoulders bugged me as soon as a got him
Sorry to hear your problems seem to be the same as mine, but I'm glad I was able to voice your frustrations.
I’m really glad I got the oversized black mamba ko of this mold. Yeah the shoulders ass and the ko is the wrong shade of purple but the sheer size and incorporation of diecast makes it FEEL like tarn
Will you be grabbing the ironfactory djd?
Yesterday I grabbed the Tarn at least.
Every time perspective end uploads it makes my day!!
I'm proud to hear that.
NINE! THAT'S NINE TIMES THE RATTRAP MAFIA BROKE SOMEONE'S LIMBS! AH! AH! AH! AH!
(something tells me that this time may come back to bite them)
I feel like it's been more than that.
Did you count the time that Dragon Megatrons legs just work that way. so they had the broken legs.
@@PerspectiveEnd yes
@@PerspectiveEnd also the more its brought up the worse the reveal that he was glitch is
like it makes sense within the world of IDW but it still feels like just a bait-n-switch for the sake of shock value
I have a similar feeling that I "should" like it more than I actually do. Agree that Tarn feels a bit too slight, and needed to be taller, or beefier, or both.
I'm glad I could voice your frustrations.