Thank you for your time Dr Brown. One of my favorite things about your ministry is how personal you make it. Your exegesis was a blessing, it makes me thankful to be on this side of the cross.
My take on Job... Nothing in this world happens without a reason, but it's really none of my business to know why. My job it to accept God's will for me and to do my best to handle each situation I'm faced with in a way that serves both God and his children.
The book of Job and the book of Ecclesiastes are more or less two sides of the same coin...demonstrating the true value of all of the meaningless things which men pursue in life with a passion...believing that they would have happiness, peace and fulfillment if only they could be incredibly wealthy, smart and powerful. The book of Ecclesiastes is the testimony of a man who had literally EVERYTHING that he desired...wisdom far beyond all others, unimaginable wealth, supreme political power, the very best food, the most beautiful women and a different one each night...literally everything and anything that he desired! By way of contrast, the book of Job is the testimony of a man who had the opposite experience. He literally had everything taken from him! His wealth, his family, his respect and influence in society, and even his health! Everything but his life! In both instances, both men arrived at the same conclusion. That all of the worldly things which people value most...whether you possess them or lose them...they cannot give you the deep and meaningful peace and satisfaction within which all strive for... ...only a relationship with God can fulfill that need within.
@vikedude 123 You have very interesting and well thought out ideas...and whilst I would say that I agree with most of what you said, I however differ in opinion on a couple of points. But rather than write out a long, point for point analysis, suffice it to say that where I differ slightly with you is in my belief in the extent of the sovereignty of God. That is to say, that it is my belief that God's sovereignty is so absolute, that even those things which from our limited, human perspective may appear to be a challenge to God's sovereignty (even if only temporarily), such as Satan's rebellion along with a third of the angels... or the fall of man, etc...are in fact NOT a genuine challenge to the sovereignty of God, but rather, ALL things are ALWAYS under the ABSOLUTE control and design of God. Can I explain or understand this? No, I cannot. It is beyond my understanding. Nevertheless, I accept that which I cannot understand...that even evil itself is subject to God, though mysteriously, I do not believe God to be the author of evil. Kind of hurts my head to try and grasp. RC Sproul gave a fascinating teaching on evil that if you have not already heard, I believe you would find it to be just as compelling and thought provoking as I did. Blessings to you! Here is the link... ruclips.net/video/hzrC7KuMj6o/видео.html
I was really hoping the question regarding whether "hassatan" was intended by the author of Job to be seen as a rebellious and fallen being rather than as a member of the "sons of god" whose job was simply prosecutorial in nature. I do believe the traditional view that "the adversary" in Job (as well as in Zechariah) is the same rebel we see in the New Testament, but I've heard some interesting counterpoints to this view.
Where does God say that Job is righteous as he sacrifices as he did in Job 1:5? I don't see that anywhere. However, what I do see, is the Lord speak well of him, just as a father of a prodigal son might do, even as his son goes in a way not good. I believe every father has a right to speak well of their own son, and see them as they were on the very best day of their life, even if it's not their best day. You can't fault a father for doing that, can you? Let's remember also that the Lord doesn't have to reveal his personal business to Satan either. Let's remember this as the adversarial relationship that it is. There is no communion between light and darkness. However, the Lord has every right to view his servant in whatever light he does, as long as it's the true light that it is, and that is what the Lord does, all the time. If we get the interpretation wrong in what the Lord says, we might go off to the races in the wrong direction and we don't want to do that, do we? No, Job was not walking by the Holy Spirit in doing continual sacrifices for his sons, even while thinking it may be that they cursed God in their hearts. Does the Holy Spirit tell us that so many people all together have "maybe" cursed God in their hearts? The Holy Spirit does no such thing. Job 1:5 is a sign that he has taken a wrong path. It is religious, pious, and wrong. Strange fire, I say, and this may have been the last straw as we might say, the last thing that caused the Lord to call a meeting for the purpose of releasing judgement in Job's direction, which was done, for the saving of his soul from something that is so horrible and lasting, that it deserves spending whatever it takes to help him get out of this mess, even if it means sending his children to paradise at such a time as might seem early to us. Remember what Jesus said to one of them on the cross next to him? He said today you will be with me in paradise. Paul said that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord and it is a wonderful thing, better than anything we experience in this world, is what so many tell who have been taken there. They say that nobody would want to come back here, because it's all so beautiful and wonderful there. I take it that Job's children were taken to paradise and some time after the Lord's finished work of the cross, the Lord took all those who were in paradise to heaven to be with him and the whole family of God there. I just don't see God saying that what Job was doing in Job 1:5 as being acceptable in his sight. I don't see God saying that anywhere in the book of Job, not even in the first chapter.
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We should all realize how foolish and arrogant it is to challenge God, based on our own sense of our righteousness, especially when it might be anything in the world, God might not be pleased with, that might be about us. Just think of the foolishness and arrogance of doing that. Think of the pride. What is the fear of the Lord without humility? Is it just a religious doctrine we defend and nothing more, even while we violate it? Just think of the hypocrisy. We may certainly ask him about things that cause us trouble but we need to do it in humility and in the fear of the Lord. Without that, why should we think he would even listen to us? Will he listen to us even as we constantly ignore his counsel and instruction to us? He might, but he says in his word, he will not. (see Proverbs 1)
Well, I say that Dr. Brown is wrong on things all the time. I'm not saying he is wrong on everything. I'm just saying that he's wrong on things all the time, just like the rest of us.
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On trial BY JOB! God shouldn't have been on trial, but the point Dr Brown is making is that Job put God on trial with the things he said in his ignorance.
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Phenomenal work as always Dr.Brown, I massively appreciate your thoughts here. I am very blessed. Thank you
Thank you for your time Dr Brown. One of my favorite things about your ministry is how personal you make it. Your exegesis was a blessing, it makes me thankful to be on this side of the cross.
My take on Job... Nothing in this world happens without a reason, but it's really none of my business to know why. My job it to accept God's will for me and to do my best to handle each situation I'm faced with in a way that serves both God and his children.
One's ability to smile and be positive in adverse situations is a measure of one's spiritual strength.
Who is it that waited, in Job 32:16? I believe it was the Holy Spirit.
The book of Job and the book of Ecclesiastes are more or less two sides of the same coin...demonstrating the true value of all of the meaningless things which men pursue in life with a passion...believing that they would have happiness, peace and fulfillment if only they could be incredibly wealthy, smart and powerful.
The book of Ecclesiastes is the testimony of a man who had literally EVERYTHING that he desired...wisdom far beyond all others, unimaginable wealth, supreme political power, the very best food, the most beautiful women and a different one each night...literally everything and anything that he desired!
By way of contrast, the book of Job is the testimony of a man who had the opposite experience. He literally had everything taken from him! His wealth, his family, his respect and influence in society, and even his health! Everything but his life!
In both instances, both men arrived at the same conclusion. That all of the worldly things which people value most...whether you possess them or lose them...they cannot give you the deep and meaningful peace and satisfaction within which all strive for...
...only a relationship with God can fulfill that need within.
@vikedude 123
You're welcome...thank you!
@vikedude 123
You have very interesting and well thought out ideas...and whilst I would say that I agree with most of what you said, I however differ in opinion on a couple of points. But rather than write out a long, point for point analysis, suffice it to say that where I differ slightly with you is in my belief in the extent of the sovereignty of God. That is to say, that it is my belief that God's sovereignty is so absolute, that even those things which from our limited, human perspective may appear to be a challenge to God's sovereignty (even if only temporarily), such as Satan's rebellion along with a third of the angels... or the fall of man, etc...are in fact NOT a genuine challenge to the sovereignty of God, but rather, ALL things are ALWAYS under the ABSOLUTE control and design of God.
Can I explain or understand this?
No, I cannot. It is beyond my understanding. Nevertheless, I accept that which I cannot understand...that even evil itself is subject to God, though mysteriously, I do not believe God to be the author of evil.
Kind of hurts my head to try and grasp.
RC Sproul gave a fascinating teaching on evil that if you have not already heard, I believe you would find it to be just as compelling and thought provoking as I did.
Blessings to you! Here is the link...
ruclips.net/video/hzrC7KuMj6o/видео.html
thank you for sharing your thought. i have read both of the books already but i didnt have the same thought that you have.
@vikedude 123
Oh, absolutely...I very much lean to reformed theology.
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It is not clear from what you have written...to whom are you addressing your comment?
I was really hoping the question regarding whether "hassatan" was intended by the author of Job to be seen as a rebellious and fallen being rather than as a member of the "sons of god" whose job was simply prosecutorial in nature. I do believe the traditional view that "the adversary" in Job (as well as in Zechariah) is the same rebel we see in the New Testament, but I've heard some interesting counterpoints to this view.
Where does God say that Job is righteous as he sacrifices as he did in Job 1:5? I don't see that anywhere. However, what I do see, is the Lord speak well of him, just as a father of a prodigal son might do, even as his son goes in a way not good. I believe every father has a right to speak well of their own son, and see them as they were on the very best day of their life, even if it's not their best day. You can't fault a father for doing that, can you?
Let's remember also that the Lord doesn't have to reveal his personal business to Satan either. Let's remember this as the adversarial relationship that it is. There is no communion between light and darkness. However, the Lord has every right to view his servant in whatever light he does, as long as it's the true light that it is, and that is what the Lord does, all the time. If we get the interpretation wrong in what the Lord says, we might go off to the races in the wrong direction and we don't want to do that, do we?
No, Job was not walking by the Holy Spirit in doing continual sacrifices for his sons, even while thinking it may be that they cursed God in their hearts. Does the Holy Spirit tell us that so many people all together have "maybe" cursed God in their hearts? The Holy Spirit does no such thing. Job 1:5 is a sign that he has taken a wrong path. It is religious, pious, and wrong. Strange fire, I say, and this may have been the last straw as we might say, the last thing that caused the Lord to call a meeting for the purpose of releasing judgement in Job's direction, which was done, for the saving of his soul from something that is so horrible and lasting, that it deserves spending whatever it takes to help him get out of this mess, even if it means sending his children to paradise at such a time as might seem early to us.
Remember what Jesus said to one of them on the cross next to him? He said today you will be with me in paradise. Paul said that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord and it is a wonderful thing, better than anything we experience in this world, is what so many tell who have been taken there. They say that nobody would want to come back here, because it's all so beautiful and wonderful there.
I take it that Job's children were taken to paradise and some time after the Lord's finished work of the cross, the Lord took all those who were in paradise to heaven to be with him and the whole family of God there.
I just don't see God saying that what Job was doing in Job 1:5 as being acceptable in his sight. I don't see God saying that anywhere in the book of Job, not even in the first chapter.
I'll be reading/studying Job later this year. I'm saving my pennies. :)
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What is your question?
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He almost never interacts in the Comments section, @@brendabethany9063.
Sometimes folks ask questions in Comments section in order to get answers ... if you choose to do so, just make sure the answers line up with Scripture. Sometimes they don't.
We should all realize how foolish and arrogant it is to challenge God, based on our own sense of our righteousness, especially when it might be anything in the world, God might not be pleased with, that might be about us. Just think of the foolishness and arrogance of doing that. Think of the pride. What is the fear of the Lord without humility? Is it just a religious doctrine we defend and nothing more, even while we violate it? Just think of the hypocrisy. We may certainly ask him about things that cause us trouble but we need to do it in humility and in the fear of the Lord. Without that, why should we think he would even listen to us? Will he listen to us even as we constantly ignore his counsel and instruction to us? He might, but he says in his word, he will not. (see Proverbs 1)
Well, I say that Dr. Brown is wrong on things all the time. I'm not saying he is wrong on everything. I'm just saying that he's wrong on things all the time, just like the rest of us.
Dr Brown can satan enter heaven today because in the book of job he can enter heaven and talk with God.thank you
Pelosi torn transcript of state union speech of Trump. This is prophetic sign of Trump will be torn to pieces in Jesus name. Samuel15.26 “I will not return with you,” Samuel replied. “For you have rejected the word of the LORD, and He has rejected you as king over Israel.” As Samuel turned to go, Saul grabbed the hem of his robe, and it tore. So Samuel said to him, “The LORD has torn the kingdom of Israel from you today and has given it to your neighbor who is better than you.…
The next day, Afghan troops attacked and killed US troops who worked for Trump's administration.
To even let the words "G-d is on trial" come forth, shows a lack of the knowledge and fear of God.
On trial BY JOB! God shouldn't have been on trial, but the point Dr Brown is making is that Job put God on trial with the things he said in his ignorance.