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This man was present 6000 years ago. He was the strategy maker for pandavas. He was the only one who made pandavas as qinner in mahabharat. I forgot he taught archery to bhisma
Even the Mughals played the 'divine legitimacy". That's why their thrones were always on a very high ground and nobody was to look at them directly on their face. Shahjahan even did this magical appearance on his throne. Jahangir commissioned himself to be painted as a divine being
@@TheFutureIQ there are so many examples. 1st the address. Shajahan is a title. His name was different. Then before the emperor at the Delhi court there was a long list of titles bestowed on him and everyone was asked to lower their eyes... the throne gallery is almost 10 ft high so he was on a higher level... then there was door behind curtains. He would come thru the door, stand behind the curtains till all his titles are announced. Quietly slip into the throne and veil was raised to reveal him. Like magic. All fan fare. 😄
Geopolitics, Powerplay. This version very Practical and Real . Of course Human greed which always existed overall makes much more Sense than the exaggerated story hearing , reading and viewing since childhood
I had thought about this and was thinking of doing something about this. Good to see a well explained video on Mahabharata geopolitics. You just missed the Matsya kingdom and their alliance.
Interesting explanation, for people who love such Geo political narratives, read 'The Aryavarta Chronicles' by Krishna Udayasankar. Its Mahabharat completely from a political stand point. Full of mysteries and politics
Thanks! The intention is not to offend anyone. We are great fans of the Mahabharata-the greatest story ever told. The fact that it lends itself to such analysis just highlights its greatness, in my opinion. -@Navin
I have a question? Mahabharat is not connected as Religious book, but Geeta is. Geeta being a religious book is quite offensive. Geeta starts at Arjun not wanted to kill relatives, teachers etc. At end Krishna convinced Arjun that it's ok to kill his cousins, unkle, teachers.. few other relatives, and not even feel bad about it. So it's crazy to consider Geeta as religious book of Hinduism. I am wondering when Geeta become religious book? Can please answer or even make an episode. Thank you
You know nothing about Dharma then. Will you ask our soldiers to not kill anti Nationals or foriegn soldiers if they do something against the Nation. So there should be wars for establishing peace. Those releatives of Arjuna were Adharmis so punishing them and showing the world what will get if select the path of Adharma the war was important. Gita is not a religious scripture it is a motivational book and a part of an Epic.
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg If you don't kniw what is Dharma then leave Talking about Indian Culture and its epics. Ok Dharma is different for different people, varnashrama Dharma was better than today's life style. And The Adharmas did by Arjuna's releatives have nothing to do with Varnashrama Dharma. I think you know what are the Adharmas they did.
@@Arjun-te9bh Krishna is not the person to learn Dharma from. Krishna will be more like a used car salesman. Krishna at start of war made promise not to even lift a weapon. Which he broke by picking a wheel to kill. Krishna didn't follow through, but still ended up braking promise. Do you want to learn anything from a eternal, who can't keep a promise for couple of months.
The root cause of the war was hydrological stress due to geomorphology changes. Metaphorically, Indra favored Ganga over Sarawati. The Sarawati river disappeared causing drought
War being caused by hydrological stress seems fine. However, it was more likely to be the shifting of the Yamuna (which happened recently (geologically speaking)). If there was a Saraswati, it was further West and its disappearance is likely to be much earlier. -@Navin
@@TheFutureIQ around 3100 BC, it was a forty day horse ride to find the source of the river where is dissappear underground. Geographically it could be in the middle of the Kuru empire. Verify this?
Mahabhart is not important for it's reader because of its history or geopolitical story but it is important to its reader because of versus complied as Geeta. your geopolitical explanation do not fit with the versus of vyas written mahabharata.
Read Mahabharatha or at least watch the series to get a basic story. Bhima killed Jarasandha first. Thus making themselves eligible for Rajasuya which makes Yudhishtira am emporar. At the Rajsuya Shishupala was invited as guest. There he insulted Bhishma and Krishna which resulted in his death by Krishna. So Shisupala was not killed first, Jarasandha was...!!!
I have stopped Half Way listening to this video to make this content. the anchor is really irritating giggling and laughing in between. It looks like he doesn't believe in the content which you don't believe and interested. Good content but horrible anchoring
We can say one thing about Mahabharata. Every thing in the world is in Mahabharata. Nothing Left in the world which is not in Mahabharata. Ramayana and Mahabharata are itihasas Bristish leftists and so called secullerists made it storys and myth.
@@TheFutureIQ I honestly hadn't thought you would answer. Thank you for this. I am currently writing a book based on the world of mahabharat (risky, I know), but this would be helpful in that.
This geopolitics explanation is not even 5% of what mentioned in Mahabharata and it is half true. Suggest to read Mahabharata fully so that we can understand what is the basic difference of emperor and king. Krishna made yudistira as emperor not king with first prime minister as Vidhur.
Story also starts much earlier. Jarasandha was the father-in-law of Kamsa, and Krishna killed Kamsa. Jarasandha attacked Mathura, 18 times and on the 18th attempt manages to conquer Mathura. Krishna and Balarama moved to Dwaraka. So, Krishna wanted to defeat Magadha. And the best way to destroy a kingdom is to put a puppet in power, which Krishna did.
@@dom4068Krishna not lost any war against jarasandha. Due to multiple attacks repeatedly to give safe place to yadavas Dwaraka was made and yadavas moved to Dwaraka.
Very well explained. Krishnas reasoning to like pandvas was Kunti who was his Aunt. Kunti was flirtatious and had sons from different fathers not from Pandu. In one sense Durodhan has every right to be king of Hastinapura.Krisna truly outsmarted these guys.
Thanks! Unfortunately, my expertise in the geography and geopolitics of Mahabharata is not deep enough to do anything more. I just picked this up from JAB van Buitenen's comments in his translation of the critical edition. -@Navin
It is an interesting take on Mahaabhaaratha. Is all of what you said about the geopolitical situation before the main war of Kuru-kshethra sourced from Valmiki Rishi's Mahaabhaaratha or is it from elsewhere?
Navin has unbelievable knowledge of history, A little suggestion for the channel The same conversation should be serious on depth of curiosity instead of some funny comment Will u see same this channel as likr TRS
Firstly gain knowledge if what you're speaking since its gonna make too difference in audience thoughts.. like i want to say Mahabharat was history and not any kind of myth as he said so before speaking or choosing words think twice
Many factual mistake 1. Hastinapur was real daddy and actually they didn't need anyone else for security. And their gap with second ( may be panchal, magadh or chedib) power was so huge . 2. Out of 10th most greatest warriors maximum were from Hastinapur. 3. Magadh (read Jarasangh) was already finished before the war. By the Mahabharat war his son was ruling and was with Krishna. 4. Actually Mahabharat war made India weaker! All the great warriors died . Strong states were gone . And slowly India was just another country of the world
If Hastinapur is ruled by Duryodhan who doesn't listen to Krishna/Panchal then all the gains from getting rid of Shishupal and Jarasandh will be undone. They need to have their friends/protegees on the Hastinapur throne, since Hastinapur is in a very strategic location geographically.
@@beyes5116 intellectuals discuss based on the available literary and other evidences… they do not speculate out of their own thoughts .. When it comes to Andhbhakts, u seem to be one..
@@beyes5116 I liked the perspective but he has himself addressed one comment asking for source and Naveen replied saying "Based on pure speculations". So yeah, the perspective seems to be interesting but I really see who's an andhbhakt here!
@TheFutureIQ @ngkabra @shrikant There is no reason to frown or object to Shrikant laughing his way through this podcast. He is really tickled at this whole geopolitic aspect of how it played out. Those skeptical on 'myth'ology will comprehend why this sounds closer to reality, the way mankind's emotions weigh chauvinism, ego, manipulation, and control in an era where rulers and conquerors faced an insecure fluctuating power balance. @shrikant, @ngkabra, I assume the mentioned 'OG' claim = original claim. Although it has been put that way, I would not describe Shishupal as a 'traitor'. He was at full risk of losing his life & his kingdom under the charging 'big daddy' Magadh force. So he saw his only recourse as presenting himself as their ally, helping & assisting Jarasand in his quest for expansion. He was merely saving his life and his small kingdom.
"Assassination" is not the right choice of word. If I say the person who is narrating the geopolitics is very casual in using English words and I call him idiosyncratic. A very bad way to present potentially good content. I would request both of you to read the original Mahabharat completely and then you shall realise your naivety. You completely forgot Gandhara. So misleading and subjective is the narration narration.
He just dont know depth of the history or rather I would say he doesn't have that deep knowledge of history and he's just showing intellectuallity in nonsensical way!! Which you will understand in just few minutes!!
This is not at all Star Plus Mahabharat. .... This is RaGa's. Mahabharata. ..... Whare Magadh is BJP... He ties with some partys with different ideology and make an alliance. ..... Bro read Mahabharat at least once.....
I heard your reasons and seriously asked myself "He seems very right", but then I heard from the other guy "Mythology"? What if I call your parents mythology then you must be bloody "I don't know what". Next is the assumptions make great story but it completely challenges the Documental history called "Mahabharat". But there was no proof, atleast from any other document. Third is calling Krishna names makes you my Enemy. I idiolize him cause he gave Geeta, so he can't just attack any Country just to take revenge, it means Shit. This is not "Song of Ice and Snow", this is "Mahabharat". So you can just F off
Their is no Blasphemy in Hinduism. Sanatan sabko accept karta hai, agar aap usko agree nhi karte to cho ya debate karo usse. Sanatan mai aisa hota hai ❤.
पूरा सुना, जिससे कोई पूर्वाग्रही न बोले। पर समय बरबाद हो गया। महाशय ने महाभारत नहीं पढ़ी है। उसकी कुछ कहानियां पढ़ी सुनी और अपना दिमाग भगाना शुरू कर दिया कि किस तरह से लोगों को भ्रमित किया जाए। बहुत सी बातें गलत बोली हैं। इसे सुनने के बाद हर किसी को मूल महाभारत (गीता प्रेस गोरखपुर की) पढ़नी चाहिए जिससे सही ज्ञान प्राप्त हो
@@praveenharsh495 exactly sirf hindu, hinduism, aur hindu scriptures pe hi bhok sakte h ... just becoz ki ye log kuch karte nai... bt bakio k log piche pad jayenge isliye himmat nai hoti.. bhale hi sach ho na ho.. secondly ye jo bakwas kar ra h uska koi source b nai de ra h.. Abi k US n al ka example dera h chu...
Your hypothesis of geopolitics reasons for Mahabharat war is wrong. There is no evidence of Panchala & Mathura kingdoms having interest in Hastinapur kingdom. Geopolitically, lands of Panchal & Mathura are more fertile than Hastinapur - as explained by you. So there is no good reason. When Jarasandha was defeated, the threat from Magadha also was eliminated. So they didn't need protection of Hastinapur. Arjun won Draupadi at her swayamvar as a Brahman and not as a Prince. So Drupad didn't plan to marry Draupadi to the prince of Hastinapur. In Mahabharat text, the reasons of war are specifically mentioned. It happened because of Duryodhan didn't give Pandavs' kingdom Indraprastha back to them after returning from the Exile.
You are correct but Gandhari used to believe that it happened because of Krishna. He mentioned that for any war the real reason would always be hidden. We still do not know why in 1971 suddenly Pakistan attacked Gujarat and Rajasthan.
@@vinsin328 Correction - Gandhari accused Krushna that he could have stopped the war by mediation but he didn't try hard enough. I don't know about 1971 war but Russia - Ukraine war's real reason has been derived by geopolitics analysts. It's de-dollarisation! Dollarisation created the conflict between Russia & Ukraine. So for de-dollarisation to complete, the conflict should end - by means of a war.
If Drupad and Krishna were cooking up a clandestine plot to get the Pandavas on their side, they couldn't openly admit that they knew Arjun's real identity, isn't it? But yes, the point about Jarasandha is well-taken: I do feel that's a weakness of the theory -navin
@@pranav21047 Arjun didn't "win" Draupadi!!! Look at your words man before correcting others. Draupadi was not some mare prize. Draupadi accepted him and he sarcastically said to Kunthi that he "won" something. Didn't mean literally
Agenda driven, yet Duffers, trying to create their own fanciful myths. They can't even locate panchaal, kuru, magadh, in the map. They don't know about the position of Kaushal, Kashi and Bhoj either.
Yes geopolitics rules anywhere but how geography decided winner here. You eye catching headline got lost somewhere in the fab,e that you are cooking up here
It is said in mahabharatha that 18 akshauhinis of armies took part in the war in kurukshethra . What happened to the skeletons of soldiers , horses and elephants ? Were the chariots also cermated ?
Waiting for someone to get offended. I will ensure my great great grand children don’t get offended when someone makes fun of Harry Porter few centuries from now. Btw, go to York, UK and you will find evidence of Harry Porter and all its stories existing in real. But does that mean Harry Porter was a real character ?
Sach mei channel band hona chahiye .. nonsense in every video this channel has posted. One man is expert in every other subject that he comes and spreads “bhandaar” of knowledge 😒
शिवपुराण मे लिखा है के कलियुग मे ब्राम्हण वेद बेच कर धन का संचय करेंगा आज आप दोनो जिस प्रकार से महाभारत को maythology कह कर पैसे कमा रहे हो उसका प्रत्यक्ष अनुभव हुवा 🙏 म्हाताऱ्या जोश्या तू कॅन्सर होऊन म र शी ल भ ड व्या😂
Utter nonsense , never heard such bakwas , the reality I'd Krishna and balram never came back to mathura when once they went to dwarka Read your history properly the army of dwarka was more then magan and panchal together On top of that balram was supposed to the most powerful person at that time , Last but not the least Yadav's never lost , it was only to save there farmers they left mathura You really need to dig deep in your history
So Krishna kills Kara’s and h and jarasandh’s son become friendly with Krishna . Despite magadh still being more powerful. Btw in which fab,e this happens. I get ti someone else being olace on throne can be amenable but son will just forget his father’s death . See these are the kind of things you have to cook up to make your fantastical tales . For some fantasy analysis it’s fine but don’t cook uo things like that with this cocksure attitude tera bhai sab janta haj
Means according to you just for the geopolitics of the region under kuru and for the politics of krishna , entire bharat kingdoms from as west as iran and as east as burma as north as afghanistan and kashmir to as south as kaling and kuntal all destroyed in that war 😂 , if it is so then those kings who travelled thousand of km with army for geopolits for fertile plain land must be very fool , just for fertile land of kuru kingdom that to divided kuru indraprast ko paane k liye laako logo ko nipatwa dia 😂
this is ridiculous. although this is true but you pretended that jarasandh and sishupal were very nobel man. what about the other side of story. if we place magadh as china and chedi as pakistan then people can easily understand the situation
It is all right commenting on geo political points. Do not give your own explanation for the killing of shisupala. You should have right frame of mind to understand. Read the scriptures properly and make your comments in right perspective.
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This man was present 6000 years ago. He was the strategy maker for pandavas. He was the only one who made pandavas as qinner in mahabharat. I forgot he taught archery to bhisma
Even the Mughals played the 'divine legitimacy". That's why their thrones were always on a very high ground and nobody was to look at them directly on their face. Shahjahan even did this magical appearance on his throne. Jahangir commissioned himself to be painted as a divine being
Great point. This concept of "divine legitimacy" is something that I struggle to explain properly. I should collect more such examples. -navin
@@TheFutureIQ there are so many examples. 1st the address. Shajahan is a title. His name was different. Then before the emperor at the Delhi court there was a long list of titles bestowed on him and everyone was asked to lower their eyes... the throne gallery is almost 10 ft high so he was on a higher level... then there was door behind curtains. He would come thru the door, stand behind the curtains till all his titles are announced. Quietly slip into the throne and veil was raised to reveal him. Like magic. All fan fare. 😄
Geopolitics, Powerplay. This version very Practical and Real . Of course Human greed which always existed overall makes much more Sense than the exaggerated story hearing , reading and viewing since childhood
I had thought about this and was thinking of doing something about this. Good to see a well explained video on Mahabharata geopolitics. You just missed the Matsya kingdom and their alliance.
Interesting explanation, for people who love such Geo political narratives, read 'The Aryavarta Chronicles' by Krishna Udayasankar. Its Mahabharat completely from a political stand point. Full of mysteries and politics
Man i can really see some certain group of people gettimg offended. Anyways great content, keep it up!!
Thanks!
The intention is not to offend anyone. We are great fans of the Mahabharata-the greatest story ever told. The fact that it lends itself to such analysis just highlights its greatness, in my opinion.
-@Navin
Certain “Snowflakes”
What will you do with great content when events he mentioned to prove his points are not in the order it happened
This is like saying Pakistan carved out of India in 1947 because Pakistan lost kargil war in 1999
@@TheFutureIQ it is itihasa. Not story. Itihasa means it happened.
mahabharat- the OG game of thrones 🤣
I have a question?
Mahabharat is not connected as Religious book, but Geeta is.
Geeta being a religious book is quite offensive. Geeta starts at Arjun not wanted to kill relatives, teachers etc. At end Krishna convinced Arjun that it's ok to kill his cousins, unkle, teachers.. few other relatives, and not even feel bad about it. So it's crazy to consider Geeta as religious book of Hinduism.
I am wondering when Geeta become religious book?
Can please answer or even make an episode.
Thank you
You know nothing about Dharma then.
Will you ask our soldiers to not kill anti Nationals or foriegn soldiers if they do something against the Nation.
So there should be wars for establishing peace.
Those releatives of Arjuna were Adharmis so punishing them and showing the world what will get if select the path of Adharma the war was important.
Gita is not a religious scripture it is a motivational book and a part of an Epic.
@@Arjun-te9bh What is the dharma you mean ? Varnashrama dharma ?
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg If you don't kniw what is Dharma then leave Talking about Indian Culture and its epics.
Ok Dharma is different for different people, varnashrama Dharma was better than today's life style.
And The Adharmas did by Arjuna's releatives have nothing to do with Varnashrama Dharma.
I think you know what are the Adharmas they did.
@@Arjun-te9bh Krishna is not the person to learn Dharma from. Krishna will be more like a used car salesman.
Krishna at start of war made promise not to even lift a weapon. Which he broke by picking a wheel to kill. Krishna didn't follow through, but still ended up braking promise.
Do you want to learn anything from a eternal, who can't keep a promise for couple of months.
@@gangadharvaidy209 wheel is not a weapon and he said he will not fight which he did not he just did that to fire up arjun
All autocracies fall into war and suffering, family feuds, killings.. Even if it's established by the God himself. Simple summary of Mahabharat
The root cause of the war was hydrological stress due to geomorphology changes.
Metaphorically, Indra favored Ganga over Sarawati.
The Sarawati river disappeared causing drought
War being caused by hydrological stress seems fine. However, it was more likely to be the shifting of the Yamuna (which happened recently (geologically speaking)). If there was a Saraswati, it was further West and its disappearance is likely to be much earlier. -@Navin
@@TheFutureIQ around 3100 BC, it was a forty day horse ride to find the source of the river where is dissappear underground.
Geographically it could be in the middle of the Kuru empire.
Verify this?
Mahabhart is not important for it's reader because of its history or geopolitical story but it is important to its reader because of versus complied as Geeta. your geopolitical explanation do not fit with the versus of vyas written mahabharata.
Maybe for you and others like you. We do find it important
Read Mahabharatha or at least watch the series to get a basic story. Bhima killed Jarasandha first. Thus making themselves eligible for Rajasuya which makes Yudhishtira am emporar. At the Rajsuya Shishupala was invited as guest. There he insulted Bhishma and Krishna which resulted in his death by Krishna. So Shisupala was not killed first, Jarasandha was...!!!
Yes, First Jarasandha,then Shishupala was killed.
Krishna was an opportunist politician and not promoted to Godhead yet.
Krishna is avatar of Vishnu to establish dharma and punish the bad. In Hastinapuras he has shown viswaroopam .
@@parupudiphanindra3126 why was he given that promotion. Who gave it to him?
And you are, who?
@@sumansaurabh9496 who are you?
@charlesdarwin5185 you are commenting on God, so we need to know what authority do you have to do such commenting.
I am writing in Pakistan about the similar point of view for last two years.
I am impressed
Thanks
-navin
Eklavya still living today and looking good 👍🏽 Is in a bit of anguish though 👀 (kidding)
I have stopped Half Way listening to this video to make this content. the anchor is really irritating giggling and laughing in between. It looks like he doesn't believe in the content which you don't believe and interested.
Good content but horrible anchoring
@SantoshKumarSingh.dm2mi and @parenting4u Nonsense. The host is really tickled by this whole new perspective based on geopolitics.
You are amazing I never thought of this
What he is saying is already in Mahabharata and he is quoting from it.
We can say one thing about Mahabharata. Every thing in the world is in Mahabharata. Nothing
Left in the world which is not in Mahabharata. Ramayana and Mahabharata are itihasas Bristish leftists and so called secullerists made it storys and myth.
Wow, such high quality videos and only 1380 subs!!!!!!
CIA - central inteligence agency >>
Can you tell me which map you r using? I also want to study the hd map of that time. Please 🙏
Try this, from the translation of Mahabharata by JAB van Buitenen: drive.google.com/file/d/1FXGeh0mokOD3eaTIA-ifFIR3P7i4rvE1/view
@@TheFutureIQ I honestly hadn't thought you would answer. Thank you for this. I am currently writing a book based on the world of mahabharat (risky, I know), but this would be helpful in that.
Krishna, before never like and now a days worship that's part missing - make a video on this, too. Thanks
This geopolitics explanation is not even 5% of what mentioned in Mahabharata and it is half true. Suggest to read Mahabharata fully so that we can understand what is the basic difference of emperor and king. Krishna made yudistira as emperor not king with first prime minister as Vidhur.
Emperor of bunch of district size area 🙄
It was a 40 day horse ride to find source of Saraswati river. It was mentioned in Mahabharata?
Story also starts much earlier.
Jarasandha was the father-in-law of Kamsa, and Krishna killed Kamsa.
Jarasandha attacked Mathura, 18 times and on the 18th attempt manages to conquer Mathura.
Krishna and Balarama moved to Dwaraka.
So, Krishna wanted to defeat Magadha. And the best way to destroy a kingdom is to put a puppet in power, which Krishna did.
@@dom4068Krishna not lost any war against jarasandha. Due to multiple attacks repeatedly to give safe place to yadavas Dwaraka was made and yadavas moved to Dwaraka.
@@parupudiphanindra3126 Ok, so ran away from the war?
Very well explained. Krishnas reasoning to like pandvas was Kunti who was his Aunt. Kunti was flirtatious and had sons from different fathers not from Pandu. In one sense Durodhan has every right to be king of Hastinapura.Krisna truly outsmarted these guys.
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Nice..! Can you make a full detailed one on this.?
Thanks!
Unfortunately, my expertise in the geography and geopolitics of Mahabharata is not deep enough to do anything more. I just picked this up from JAB van Buitenen's comments in his translation of the critical edition.
-@Navin
It is an interesting take on Mahaabhaaratha. Is all of what you said about the geopolitical situation before the main war of Kuru-kshethra sourced from Valmiki Rishi's Mahaabhaaratha or is it from elsewhere?
Navin mentioned his source in a reply to a different comment elsewhere. Lemme see if I can find a link...
- Shrikant
Great episode...plz make an episode on how to network....jo appne networking waale episode me bola tha...
Yes, Praveen, we're working on that episode. Hopefully it will be done soon.
Navin has unbelievable knowledge of history,
A little suggestion for the channel
The same conversation should be serious on depth of curiosity instead of some funny comment
Will u see same this channel as likr TRS
really intresting
Truth is the only form of God
Any evidence of his thoughts.
No. This is all speculation (but interesting speculation).
-navin
Truth. The same political strategies are still being played in every modern country
No my friend George W Bush did not gave Geeta gyan, nor did he gave wows that he won't take weapons. So start reading your own History.
Firstly gain knowledge if what you're speaking since its gonna make too difference in audience thoughts.. like i want to say Mahabharat was history and not any kind of myth as he said so before speaking or choosing words think twice
Many factual mistake
1. Hastinapur was real daddy and actually they didn't need anyone else for security. And their gap with second ( may be panchal, magadh or chedib) power was so huge .
2. Out of 10th most greatest warriors maximum were from Hastinapur.
3. Magadh (read Jarasangh) was already finished before the war. By the Mahabharat war his son was ruling and was with Krishna.
4. Actually Mahabharat war made India weaker! All the great warriors died . Strong states were gone . And slowly India was just another country of the world
Liked the new perspective. But if कृष्ण" got rid off Jarasandh and शिशुपाल, what is the need for a fight within Kuruclan. What's his real intention?
If Hastinapur is ruled by Duryodhan who doesn't listen to Krishna/Panchal then all the gains from getting rid of Shishupal and Jarasandh will be undone. They need to have their friends/protegees on the Hastinapur throne, since Hastinapur is in a very strategic location geographically.
I guess it was give n take, you (Bheem) kill Jarasandh I'll help you win hastinapur.
Also Krishna & Balaram didn't fight in war.
@@sandeepshettigar7574 But their entire army did, that too on behalf of Duryodhan!
@@hanubindhkrishna5903that's just a later addition to the story, to egegerate the story
Give a disclaimer like..
”pure imaginary speculations”…
Or disclaimer like only for intellectuals not for andhbhakts
@@beyes5116 intellectuals discuss based on the available literary and other evidences… they do not speculate out of their own thoughts ..
When it comes to Andhbhakts, u seem to be one..
@@beyes5116 I liked the perspective but he has himself addressed one comment asking for source and Naveen replied saying "Based on pure speculations". So yeah, the perspective seems to be interesting but I really see who's an andhbhakt here!
@TheFutureIQ @ngkabra @shrikant There is no reason to frown or object to Shrikant laughing his way through this podcast. He is really tickled at this whole geopolitic aspect of how it played out. Those skeptical on 'myth'ology will comprehend why this sounds closer to reality, the way mankind's emotions weigh chauvinism, ego, manipulation, and control in an era where rulers and conquerors faced an insecure fluctuating power balance.
@shrikant, @ngkabra, I assume the mentioned 'OG' claim = original claim. Although it has been put that way, I would not describe Shishupal as a 'traitor'. He was at full risk of losing his life & his kingdom under the charging 'big daddy' Magadh force. So he saw his only recourse as presenting himself as their ally, helping & assisting Jarasand in his quest for expansion. He was merely saving his life and his small kingdom.
Got defeated 18 times n defeating mathura 19th time. Wow grt this shit man is greater than Ved Vyas Now. He knows the shit wt Ved Vyas didn't knw
Good perspective that is not justified....
Halliburton
Does that mean preserving dharma is the ancient equivalent of preserving freedom and democracy?
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Please rely on history rather than legend or myth
Dont interconnect philosophy mahakavya with real as history and science
"Assassination" is not the right choice of word. If I say the person who is narrating the geopolitics is very casual in using English words and I call him idiosyncratic. A very bad way to present potentially good content. I would request both of you to read the original Mahabharat completely and then you shall realise your naivety. You completely forgot Gandhara. So misleading and subjective is the narration narration.
For godsake don't bring bollywood into this equation.
Srikant is very bad host. Please try to be serious. DONT smile while this kind of mind-blowing talks are being delivered. Shame
False hypothesis with malicious content, no evidence is provided, just airy hypothesis 🤡
Nice sweet talk story telling
If host has no idea about mahabharata he should not host like this conversation
@SantoshKumarSingh.dm2mi and @parenting4u Nonsense. The host is really tickled by this whole new perspective based on geopolitics.
He just dont know depth of the history or rather I would say he doesn't have that deep knowledge of history and he's just showing intellectuallity in nonsensical way!! Which you will understand in just few minutes!!
This is not at all Star Plus Mahabharat. .... This is RaGa's. Mahabharata. ..... Whare Magadh is BJP... He ties with some partys with different ideology and make an alliance. ..... Bro read Mahabharat at least once.....
And you think star plus mahabharat is authoritative enough?
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भाई guest तेरा generous jarasandh बलवान नहीं था होता तो combat में भीम के हातों नहीं मारा जाता
I heard your reasons and seriously asked myself "He seems very right", but then I heard from the other guy "Mythology"? What if I call your parents mythology then you must be bloody "I don't know what".
Next is the assumptions make great story but it completely challenges the Documental history called "Mahabharat". But there was no proof, atleast from any other document.
Third is calling Krishna names makes you my Enemy. I idiolize him cause he gave Geeta, so he can't just attack any Country just to take revenge, it means Shit. This is not "Song of Ice and Snow", this is "Mahabharat".
So you can just F off
इस channel पर blasphemy का case होना चाहिए
Their is no Blasphemy in Hinduism.
Sanatan sabko accept karta hai, agar aap usko agree nhi karte to cho ya debate karo usse.
Sanatan mai aisa hota hai ❤.
इसको ये बोलने में भी शर्म हैं की ज़रासंध 18 बार हारा उसकी मृत्यु भीम के हाथों होनी थी इसलिये भगवान् ने उसको नहीं मारा
I dont agree with your take on Mahabharat. Source material was Wendy doninger or what?
Blue shirt please stop laughing. It's irritating instead
पूरा सुना, जिससे कोई पूर्वाग्रही न बोले। पर समय बरबाद हो गया। महाशय ने महाभारत नहीं पढ़ी है। उसकी कुछ कहानियां पढ़ी सुनी और अपना दिमाग भगाना शुरू कर दिया कि किस तरह से लोगों को भ्रमित किया जाए। बहुत सी बातें गलत बोली हैं।
इसे सुनने के बाद हर किसी को मूल महाभारत (गीता प्रेस गोरखपुर की) पढ़नी चाहिए जिससे सही ज्ञान प्राप्त हो
i would really like hear some findings for islam too? wat r fakes?and wat is real? also lets hear for some Christianity too ..
@@praveenharsh495 exactly sirf hindu, hinduism, aur hindu scriptures pe hi bhok sakte h ... just becoz ki ye log kuch karte nai... bt bakio k log piche pad jayenge isliye himmat nai hoti.. bhale hi sach ho na ho.. secondly ye jo bakwas kar ra h uska koi source b nai de ra h.. Abi k US n al ka example dera h chu...
@@pre251 They are Indian not Arabs or middle easterns.
All of them are myths. There is no scientific evidence of Muhammed or Jesus. Only in India, they are history books.
@@vinsin328 wats ur point?
Worst explanation. Horrible behavior of the Blue shirt guy.
Your hypothesis of geopolitics reasons for Mahabharat war is wrong.
There is no evidence of Panchala & Mathura kingdoms having interest in Hastinapur kingdom.
Geopolitically, lands of Panchal & Mathura are more fertile than Hastinapur - as explained by you. So there is no good reason.
When Jarasandha was defeated, the threat from Magadha also was eliminated. So they didn't need protection of Hastinapur.
Arjun won Draupadi at her swayamvar as a Brahman and not as a Prince. So Drupad didn't plan to marry Draupadi to the prince of Hastinapur.
In Mahabharat text, the reasons of war are specifically mentioned.
It happened because of Duryodhan didn't give Pandavs' kingdom Indraprastha back to them after returning from the Exile.
You are correct but Gandhari used to believe that it happened because of Krishna. He mentioned that for any war the real reason would always be hidden. We still do not know why in 1971 suddenly Pakistan attacked Gujarat and Rajasthan.
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Correction - Gandhari accused Krushna that he could have stopped the war by mediation but he didn't try hard enough.
I don't know about 1971 war but Russia - Ukraine war's real reason has been derived by geopolitics analysts.
It's de-dollarisation!
Dollarisation created the conflict between Russia & Ukraine. So for de-dollarisation to complete, the conflict should end - by means of a war.
If Drupad and Krishna were cooking up a clandestine plot to get the Pandavas on their side, they couldn't openly admit that they knew Arjun's real identity, isn't it?
But yes, the point about Jarasandha is well-taken: I do feel that's a weakness of the theory
-navin
@@pranav21047 Arjun didn't "win" Draupadi!!! Look at your words man before correcting others. Draupadi was not some mare prize. Draupadi accepted him and he sarcastically said to Kunthi that he "won" something. Didn't mean literally
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Correction accepted -
Arjun won the Challenge and became eligible. Draupadi accepted him.
Such an idiotic correlation, and super convenient
Doing bakwas
Utter nonsense, these guys have 0 clue on Mahabharata
Agenda driven, yet Duffers, trying to create their own fanciful myths. They can't even locate panchaal, kuru, magadh, in the map. They don't know about the position of Kaushal, Kashi and Bhoj either.
Srikant is very bad host. Please try to be serious when this mindblowing talks are delivered. you just worsened the mood. Shame !
Bro this guy is not even following the chronology of events that happened. A little fact check is needed before you put such videos
Yes geopolitics rules anywhere but how geography decided winner here. You eye catching headline got lost somewhere in the fab,e that you are cooking up here
"Channel band karayega yeh"😂
@Rahulsircar94: With Navin's relentless pursuit of knowledge, it's a very real possibility! 😂😂😂
- Shrikant
Silly arguments and sarcastic cackler..
Stop saying mythology
So what should a myth be said?
@@vinsin328 myth should called myth. Not our history
First of all it was not mythology it was history and second stop making fun of it
You can always provide evidence. And why history cannot be made fun of? Under which law. Do the Chinese study Mahabharat as part of History?
@@vinsin328 well in that case make fun of christianity and islams history I dare challenge u
It is said in mahabharatha that 18 akshauhinis of armies took part in the war in kurukshethra .
What happened to the skeletons of soldiers , horses and elephants ?
Were the chariots also cermated ?
@@tsMuthuraman-hm6wg Jesus was cruisified were is that cross.
Waiting for someone to get offended. I will ensure my great great grand children don’t get offended when someone makes fun of Harry Porter few centuries from now.
Btw, go to York, UK and you will find evidence of Harry Porter and all its stories existing in real. But does that mean Harry Porter was a real character ?
Such crap 🤦♂️
Sach mei channel band hona chahiye .. nonsense in every video this channel has posted. One man is expert in every other subject that he comes and spreads “bhandaar” of knowledge 😒
शिवपुराण मे लिखा है के कलियुग मे ब्राम्हण वेद बेच कर धन का संचय करेंगा आज आप दोनो जिस प्रकार से महाभारत को maythology कह कर पैसे कमा रहे हो उसका प्रत्यक्ष अनुभव हुवा 🙏 म्हाताऱ्या जोश्या तू कॅन्सर होऊन म र शी ल भ ड व्या😂
This is far better explanation than the mytho crap.
Yes like all the mytho crap from Europe Western region
@@reeteshanand2126exactly.. from europe and middle east too.. i guess u got my point😂
Utter nonsense , never heard such bakwas , the reality I'd Krishna and balram never came back to mathura when once they went to dwarka
Read your history properly the army of dwarka was more then magan and panchal together
On top of that balram was supposed to the most powerful person at that time ,
Last but not the least Yadav's never lost , it was only to save there farmers they left mathura
You really need to dig deep in your history
There was no mahabharat...stop talking about myth in ur channels...this channel should improve iq not degrade it
So Krishna kills Kara’s and h and jarasandh’s son become friendly with Krishna . Despite magadh still being more powerful. Btw in which fab,e this happens. I get ti someone else being olace on throne can be amenable but son will just forget his father’s death . See these are the kind of things you have to cook up to make your fantastical tales . For some fantasy analysis it’s fine but don’t cook uo things like that with this cocksure attitude tera bhai sab janta haj
Means according to you just for the geopolitics of the region under kuru and for the politics of krishna , entire bharat kingdoms from as west as iran and as east as burma as north as afghanistan and kashmir to as south as kaling and kuntal all destroyed in that war 😂 , if it is so then those kings who travelled thousand of km with army for geopolits for fertile plain land must be very fool , just for fertile land of kuru kingdom that to divided kuru indraprast ko paane k liye laako logo ko nipatwa dia 😂
this is ridiculous. although this is true but you pretended that jarasandh and sishupal were very nobel man. what about the other side of story.
if we place magadh as china and chedi as pakistan then people can easily understand the situation
I was thinking on similar lines too 😅
It is all right commenting on geo political points. Do not give your own explanation for the killing of shisupala. You should have right frame of mind to understand. Read the scriptures properly and make your comments in right perspective.