@@chadgorosaurus4898bro you can get Barbie to universal so I don't think kid chars can't actually be broken Care bears has a large island calc by the way
If they do it's just to get attention but being real it depends on which version of the two characters where using like for example Sonic X current goku It really depends
@@GhostGamerX4566 It's some cyber sonic stuff, but I think it's just him being ANOTHER godlike being. I'm not entirely sure of the specifics, but this "Super Sonic 2" or whatever is apparently way too strong, that's all I know.
Ill try to help adding onto it. Sonic frontiers is a Open world Sonic Game where sonic and friends get trapped on random Island. Sonic’s Friends turn into “Cyber-Ghosts” while sonic himself stays normal. Throughout the game as sonic free’s his friends he gains “cyber corruption” and Uses a partial part of the cyber energy to further advance himself giving his base and super form WAY more abilities than just Spin dashing/homing attacking , Sliding or boosting into things. He actually had more melee combat. This of course stacked into his super form. Allowing super to be able to have more attacks than just using invincibility frames to ram into one another. Not to mention base frontier’s parry mechanic Slows down time for sonic to get more hits in. (Doesn’t work on bosses but if you combo string his new abilities their animations slow down causing you to deal more damage if done correctly. Parrying causes special animation that may otherwise or may not otherwise save your rings.) Moving forward the Game had Free DLC featuring Training Trials. The trial named “master koco trial” or as we call it the perfect parry trial. During this trial super sonic had to face all 3 main titans with only 1 set of “400 rings” and they didn’t replenish after each kill, also super sonic was fighting each boss with lvl 1 stats forcefully. During the final boss super sonic is shown to barely do damage to supreme titan’s phase 3. (The end’s control) and is forced to have to use his new abilities. By Stacking Cyber energy on top of his super form he created what the fandom is called “Super sonic 2.” A transformation that is way more powerful than basic Super. Allowing sonic to negate all damage and move even Faster with just the cost of more ring Expense. After weakening the supreme titan enough Super sonic 2 goes “all out” and enters the non supressed version of Super sonic 2, whats we also call “Cyber super sonic” where he gains a glitchy blue pattern along his entire body. And grey spiral eyes. (Not completely fleetway if you’re wondering. Just the irises.) he shoots through the end and supreme simultaneously killing both. And super sonic ends up as the victor. As far as we know Cyber Super is the Games strongest form so far. Even being put up against Hyper sonic as being the new generations strongest while hyper is the OG strongest.
I agree with the outcome but not the claim that his fight with solaris was his strongest. There's plenty of evidence statements and feats that heavily imply that currrent base modern sonic (frontiers) is stronger that his super sonic form in any of the pre forces games. And his current super sonic form is ridiculously stronger than before. With the whole statement infinite is stronger than all previous sonic enemies and sonic beat him in his base.
The end is stated the strongest enemy sonic faces but too be fair he needed super sonic 2 which the people who made frontiers say it probably not going to show up again so
@gameuniverse5973 i can confidently say that the super Sonic 2 form is a 2 times multiplier, which Sonic should be able to reach by himself In the normal ending, it took the combined power of sage controlling supreme and super sonic. Super Sonic is clearly more powerful than supreme by having beaten it, and if supreme by their own can harm true form the end, then super sonic 2 should be similar to the power of 2 super sonics
Btw, just a quick thought, SEGA confirmed that Sonic’s tweets are canon… So, basically they’re telling us that Sonic casually walks into our world, tweets some funny stuff, then returns to his own world… I’d say that’s a reality level feat, ngl.
Slight disagreement with Goku's scaling, not saying he beats Archie unless you count Dr Slump Cosmology; Heaven is described as a higher dimension, being above time and all that, so MY scaling for Goku is 6-8D at a mid ball, using the Dr Slump Cosmology makes it busted.
Dr Slump is very much canon, DBS even showed them, even if you’d like to dismiss that as ‘filler,’ the fact it’s even shown up IN SUPER is still telling, showing that it’s not forgotten in the slightest, which is consistent seeing as it showed up in OG DB.
@Monkes23 Dr slump isnt canon because the world map for both dr slump and dragon ball are completely different the characters existing mean nothing if the original cosmology is gone also, you wouldnt have happened to got that cosmology statement by the same person that said "the earth is 4 billion kilometers long" would you? because he also goes by "dr stu. pid" and "dr. iman. idot"
I’m not talking about the Earth statement in the show, I’m talking about the entirety of it. Just because you have one thing that contradicts it while you have TWO if not even MORE things that support that doesn’t discredit the fact, Dr Slump is literally canon.
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All of Sonic’s abilities: •Super speed •Reaction time is as fast as speed *At best goes above the time barrier* •Chaos powers *Examples: Make Clones, Turn into fireball, Chaos Control, Chaos Spear, Hyper Sonic, Super Sonic, etc. Shown in Sonic Adventure 2, and Sonic Superstars, but there are many more examples* •Plot Manipulation *Seen in Sonic And The Secret Rings where he changes the plot to stop him dying* •Plot and fate immunity *Shown in Sonic And The Secret Rings* •Mind Control and Soul manipulation immunity *Shown in Sonic Unleashed, where Chip says Sonic’s strong will stopped Dark Gaia from controlling him* •Insta Kill attack Immunity *Shown in Sonic 06, where The Eye Of Solaris is supposed to kill anyone who looks into it* •Sonic Wind The ability to make a tornado or gust of wind with his speed *Seen in Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Chronicles (But Sonic Chronicles is non-canon so it doesn’t matter)* •Sonic Battle, Sonic The Fighters, and Sonic Frontiers attacks •Immune to time stop abilities *Shown in Sonic Generations* •Teleportation *Sonic Adventure 2* •Time manipulation *Sonic CD, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Generations* •Can travel an infinite distance *Sonic Forces* •Can travel through dimensions *Sonic Forces, Sonic Rush, Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3K, Sonic Mania, Sonic Superstars, and Sonic CD* •Can breathe in space *Sonic Colors, Sonic Frontiers, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Rush* •Power Ups: Water Shield Electric Shield Fire Shield Shield Wisps Chaos Emeralds Rings *Increases durability, strength, and speed* Secret Rings Excalibur Speed Shoes *Doubles his speed if he wasn’t fast enough* Invincibility Shield •Can clone himself with his speed *Sonic Frontiers* •Can kill everything close to him instantly *Hyper Form in Sonic 3K* •Can make wishes from the Chaos Emeralds *Sonic 06* •Wish immunity *Sonic And The Secret Rjngs* •Cyber energy immunity *Sonic Frontiers* •Cyber Energy gives Sonic 2 forms: Super Sonic 2 Cyber Sonic *Sonic Frontiers* That’s all that I know of, there is probably more that I don’t know of. Now to scale Sonic: •He defeated Solaris *He scales above Outerversal, and can be scaled to Multiversal* •He beat Infinite *Infinite is stronger than Solaris, and Sonic beat him at base* •beat the DER MRK 5 *Said to be thousands of times stronger than Infinite, and was beaten by base Sonic* •Scales close to each Titan at base *So strong only Super Sonic can defeat them, but base Sonic is seen fighting them with slight trouble* You can scale base Sonic to be at Outerversal and Multiversal and higher, maybe Hyperversal cause of Infinite, and DER MRK5, but he’s def way above Universal at base. For the people who disagree with the Infinite claim: •Eggman says that the Phantom Ruby is stronger than the Master Emerald in the IDW Comics *IDW is now canon* •Eggman talks about how he’s his strongest and greatest creation during the time of Sonic Forces *This puts him above the likes of Metal Sonic, and Egg-Salamander* •Literally stated to be Sonic’s strongest villain at the time of Sonic Forces
I love Goku but I have to say, attack potency would be lower than what you said at first because it was over the course of a few minutes of rapid strong punches that he threatened to destroy universe 7.
This is heavily lowballed bc planets in the hell realm are universal in size and there literally lost in the sheer size of hell Goku would have destroyed hell which is above the concept of space and time making gokus ap in battle of gods outerversal
If i count that archie universe is au to Sonic multiverse and count string theory from Sonic boom to Sonic multiverse, then Sonic in base beat Infinite who stated to be stronger than Solaris 1000 times, making Sonic high outerversal in base (forces), Sonic frontiers makes Sonic boundless in base, Super Super Sonic easily beats many weak comic characters from dc and marvel, Starfall Super Sonic is easily on par with the strongest marvel character and the strongest dc character, Cyber Super Sonic off charts, Archie base Sonic even stronger than Cyber Super Sonic
@@GOAT-ganyu thats not true Solaris is uni to multiversal Destroying timelines is a multiversal feat Same goes for time eater those are multiversal feats outerversal means to surpass all dimensions and those dimensions to scale above space and time itself Sonic has only threatened universes with his power Sonic at best is complex multiversal NOT boundless stop overwanking him if you dont know cosmology
@@Kyroniss Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 24d (25d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself, with super string theory base frontiers Sonic is outerversal, Super Sonic boundless, Starfall Super Sonic boundless, Cyber Super Sonic boundless, Cyber Super Sonic is on par with Archie Ultra Sonic or maybe even stronger
@@GOAT-ganyu sonic needed to go full power to beat the weaker form of the end Super sonic couldnt beat dark gaia without assistance same goes for infinite your own custom character had to jump in and help sonic take down infinite Dark gaia at best is universal It doesnt matter if you have INFINITE power if you dont scale above space and time your only omnipotent on a multiversal scale Goku has hit infinite zamasu an omnipresent being and also a living paradox Not to mention you brought up archie they're plenty other goku versions id gladly bring up Jump force goku-surpassed promethesus who merged marvel comics and all of jonin realms Omnipotent-immeasurable layers boundless feat Goku from jump force would scale above marvel comics Cc goku- Has key sword can nullify any oppoenents abilities and hax Cc goku fought xeno goku who xeno goku himself beat mechikabra who merged every single timeline crystal from xenoverse Those timelines were infinite and also high outerversal Not to mention the real world (*arcade is another reality inside super dragon ball heros and also exist as another timeline itself people lile future trunks one shot demigra and even mechikabra who could obliterate the real world outside the arcades which is a boundless realm due to it being infinite in dimensionality and trancends the infinite outerversal arcade realm which makes it baseline boundless*) Cc goku can do that in his base he also surpasses supreme kai of time who held up all of creation with jist her strength alone and even kid goku can prob beat her Cc goku is connected to the games so he would also have the xenoverse 2 abilities This implies Plot manipulation Fate manipulation Immortality-invulnerbility Conceptual manipulation Boundary manipilation-this can put goku on on a true omnipotent scale as boundary manipulation surpasses metaphysical limitations and can let goku acheive anything he wants Literally definining omnipotence Xeno goku-boundless to nigh omnipotent threat God goku fusion- this goku has fought frieza stated that he can kill the auidence that is watching and not to mention goku himself fused with the auidence therefore making him literally beyond or even unscalable to author levels as toryiama himself would be fused in with goku "Metafiction scales nowhere🤓" That would include archie sonics author pen feat as well as its unscalable and metafictional and nothing more than a 4th wall break Kakuiemi goku-high outerversal Af goku-infinite-infinitely boundless Yall archie sonic fans bring up archie sonic when goku fans actually give feats that goku beats game sonic but act like there aint stronger versions of goku Comp goku-author level *omnipotent*
A little something you forgot about goku when you mentioned him in ssjgod. He absorbed all that power into his base form and then we have to take into account the multipliers for ssj ssj2 and ssj3, which is 50× 100× and 400×, we don't really know the multipliers for blue or god but we do know that blue is 50× god. Also, you forgot about ui omen(literally just the first time using it). goku managed to shake an infinite nothingness
Don't forget that sonic literally restored time just by running through the levels in sonic generations and ran through null space which is an infinite void along with sonic in base defeating perfect chaos making him stronger than super sonic from sonic adventure 1 and 2
I have to disagree with you’re outcome. Dragon Ball has guides stating that Otherworld is super dimensional and has no concept of time. Since Goku was going to destroy the entirety of Universe 7’s macrocosm in his clash with Beerus, including Otherworld, that would put Goku in Complex Multiversal to Outerversal. Goku would also have Immeasurable speed since he surpassed Infinite Zamasu who merged with Future Trunks’ timeline and was even seeping into the main timeline.
@@burnscooper892I can agree with the complex multiversal scaling for Goku but outerversal scaling for him is wanking it in my opinion. I also disagree with the immeasurable speed. Infinite speed I can agree with, but if you give him faster than time speeds, it will make the instant transmission useless.
The debate is WAY more complicated than any short can do it justice, but this comment section is just crazy. Some y’all ain’t even listening to what was said in the video 😭
@@PanHispanistaCatólico I don’t think you’ve done any research actually Sonic power scaling, my guy. While that’s reasonable, maybe do that next time before you make yourself look like a complete fool, ok? That, or you are trolling which I can get behind
I’ll definitely say that if you would add the feet and abilities that Archie sonic has Goku at his best could be in trouble but the fight would be extremely close
Just had a pure curiosity what are your feelings on death battle? Do you love them or Hate them? Were they an inspiration? Do you have a favorite and dis favorite and is there a future death battle You really want to see them do?
The fact that dbz fans think just because goku is multiversal he automatically beats everyone is such bs given how small the dbz multiverse is compared to literally everything else
You forgotten that sonic has defeated the end. The end is literally death he says this in the fight with super sonic "I am the orchsetrator and orbiter of the order in the universe"the end even said "sonic has transcended law time and space" and lastly in the fight sonic said "i have to break the chains of fate" the end even said he is stronger than every villain sonic Has faced.
Here is power scaling of sonic's forms compared to Goku's. Werehog is equal strength to oozaru. Dark sonic is equal to false super Saiyan level. Darkspine is equal to super Saiyan 1 and 2 power. Excalibur sonic is equal strength to ssj3 power. Super sonic is equal power to ssg. Starfall super sonic is equal to ssj blue. Cyber sonic is equal to ssj blue kaioken x20. And hyper is superior to ui
Assuming this guy hasn’t read the Archie comics(I could be wrong though) Game Sonic? Goku wins. Sonic needed help with most (but not all) of the feats he described. Archie Sonic? Sonic wins. He’s just on another level.
The goku speed downplaying is insane goku at infinite speed!? dude people can get z movie goku to inrelevant speed via the Instant transmission feat from cooler movie not to mention in super more accurately in the goku black arc goku was seen moving in future trunks erased timeline which had no space and time this was base goku as well
Sonic was able to move through his own destroyed universe also instant transmission is not speed also Sonic was able to move through a place that has no space-time
Not sure why everyone uses Solaris as sonics best interpretation of sonics power even if we're just talking about game sonic his feats in generations and the secret rings are way better.
You realize that goku doesn't have many other feats in super, right? He just played safe with what's concrete and not speculative like goku having inaccessible speed by moving in a place without time or hit's timeskip He gets unquantafiably stronger from the start of super to now making it pretty hard to actually say how much more powerful he is
@@RackerTheRascalMashup you can get goku into innacessable speed pretty concretely as he forced himself into the future against his fight with hit so thats not really speculation
@@AnimationDude_ which enemy? im a sonic fan and im not sure what enemy your on about, i think the most hes taken in base is 4-5d super can go much further
Sonic slaughters Goku and his verse no question the only person who can challenge Sonic in a fight is xeno Goku and even he might still have a chance of losing as well 😂
My guy, goku was able to tank his fist, its impressive that he can even clash with beerus without getting his hand blown out or smth, goku is still high outer due to cosomolgy and feats.
Couldn’t go into it here but it’s in the same cosmology as Archie sonic which has an infinite multiverse, the related video for the shorts goes into a deeper explanation of this concept but due to the time limit of shorts I can’t explain everything
@@Goji-CEven without Archie, you could scale the Mainline Sonic Verse to at least 10D due to Sonic Boom being a parallel universe that follows String Theory. You can then upscale the dimensional transcendence feats from Rush and the rest of the feats that come after
@@AnimationDude_But Goku can literally tap into his ui technique in his base state as of now In which is also an divine powerful technique that can out put energy’s in domains without space and time such as the world of void in which exists outside the multiverse which is beyond the otherworld and the kaioshin realms. So It wouldn’t be much of an easy fight as you may think.
@@christopher4249 Dragon Balls "multiverse" is only 12 universes. It's barely multi-universal. He's fodder. Even if he was high multi Sonic is low hyper
@@AnimationDude_ Yeah you know that’s just completely wrong right, the 12 universes of dragon ball are realities that are 40x the size of the IRL universe plus each universe should have an infinite amount set of corresponding timelines within each of there time-stream continuums plus there own realms and domains along with U7 in which are beyond the concepts of space and time, metaphysics, being ahead of logical understanding by mortal minds etc. and then there’s the greater reaches of the dragon ball multiverse where SDBH’s cosmological structure extends it even more further as well too with it proving that there is an xenoverse & Omniverse higharchy within the DB cosmology as well too such as these expansive parts of the world having there own variants of the Pendulum of time & room of spirit and time domains, the demon realm, the time labyrinth, and including even the eternal labyrinth dimensional areas or quadrants too because from it also mostly being connected towards the mainstream franchise all together through Dragon ball media material original creator & his fellow colleagues statements and announcements.
@@AnimationDude_ actually this isn't entirely true well for goku atleast Af goku is derived from gt cosmology, cc goku follow dbs cosmology, arj goku also follows dbs cosmology and really all version of goku are canon to the multiverse but not the main timeline
I want a proper mario vs sonic who knows both scaling you can get both to hyperversal with infinty speed with crazy hax both even have some outer to boundless scales Goku cant hang with this guys to be honest mario vs the DBS verse is not close a better debate is mario vs cc or xeno Goku yet i still think mario slams
It would be a really fun video He would actually need to include all the games as all contain the same mario according to Miyamoto, meaning that it's almost a composite game mario
Let’s go mathematical. With Goku’s power being 5000 when traveling snake way, and him traveling half the distance over 28 hours, we can conclude that he was flying at 11,160 miles per hour. dividing this by five we can conclude that for every 1000 power, he gets roughly 2230 mph faster. Dbz kakarot says he is at a power level of 10 billion by the buu saga. We can calculate this to mean he is moving at 22 billion miles per hour. Sonic only goes at the speed of light. This means Goku is going 33 times faster than sonic in the buu saga. Add training with whis, and super saiyan blue Kaioken times 10’s power and it literally FORCING ITS WAY THROUGH TIME, I think it’s safe to say Goku takes the dub.
Think you forgot that Beerus flight from one galaxy to another in 2 minutes put his speed 315 trillion times the speed of light and he said he was using 70% of his power against Goku and in dragon ball when power increase , speed also increase
The hell are you on? Sonic is much faster than the speed of light At best sonic and goku have the same Immeasurable speed Sonic restored time through running, he run through a place with infinite distance and finished it. He won against a villain that was eating entire timelines and dimensions in seconds casually, even saying the first phase was too easy
You can’t really count anything from sonic 06 considering it’s own existence and erases it from the timeline so sonic can’t really achieve those showings of strength. He has within sonic 06 if that makes any sense so yeah it’s barely going to Goku
@@GeneFOX70 and nothing proves this infinite greatest showing was conjuring a sun meanwhile Solaris threatened to destroy infinite reality the end is planetary along with infinite at the best
@Poopoofart445 he only needed help caude solaris was Omnipresent And even then, the 3 versions of solaris had the same power, and the 3 hedgehogs defeated a part of solaris by their own Plus, super Sonic gave a part of his own power so the other hedgehogs could transform meaning he's actually nerfed in the Solaris fight.
Crazy how both mario and sonic literally flick Goku away like it crazy how high there scaling can get when you really look at it i find it gross tho how downplayed Mario is he should be bare minimum put at multi Also hot take game mario>paper mario Game sonic>archie sonic in scaling even if people think it the opposite
from other scans they keep saying about goku being outerversal because of the afterlife having no concepts of time and space well that's what i always get when i ask them Edit1: well Goku also moved in a timeless void aka the erased future trunks world
Look at the amount of bias towards Sonic and the hatred towards the character of Goku. He mentioned simple things and did not mention anything like the following: Carl Jr.’s dead zone, Super Spaces, or Broly’s super dimensions. Why do we go so far into these films? We return to the thing he said about the battle of Beerus and Goku. It was mentioned that this battle has Super dimensions. He did not mention that he and goku fought in the other world, which has no concept of time and space, which gives him immeasurable speed and It's possible speed Irrelevant
@@Funghios The situation is that you do not know anything. I will explain that speed is immeasurable. It is movement in a place that does not contain linear time. This is what happens in the other world. There is no time passing in it, which is what they both move in. What gives them this thing? It was mentioned that their battle transcends time and space. Speed is irrelevant. Going beyond the concept of time itself, Goku did it. I cannot summarize it by saying that speed in Dragon Ball, strength equals speed, Goku outer equals speed, is irrelevant.
@@Funghios What about that? Do you have an objection that you submit to the wiki site and they will find a solution for you? We use wiki sites. For this reason, if you have an objection, submit it to them and do not come to me.
@@gameuniverse5973 there's stellar AP arguments based on Dark Samus scaling (potentially higher), but even giving her that isn't getting her over on Doomslayer
@@gigawarman12 dark Samus destroying a dimension feat would need high assumptions but it not getting over universal or large universal while doomslayer has multi stuff easily
based on the feats of sonic you said, i disagree, goku was able to destroy the universe, containing the afterlife, the afterlife transcends dimensionality = high outerversal, it is also said it one of the guidebooks that goku super saiyan alone was beyond mathematics = low outerversal, the afterlife also has no concept of space and time = outerversal. goku is stronger than gogeta who can break the boundaries of the universe just by clashing with broly which would make goku just a lil above outerversal Remember this. said by goku fans. GOKU. SOLO'S.
I don't agree with the outcome because the goku your using is the beginning of super which isn't fair for him at all and he's gotten way stronger since then at bare he's at complex multiversal to hyperversal with immeasurable speeds.
The start of super to this day is Goku's most impressive feat And then people just scale goku up by how many times they feel necessary But there is nothing that could get goku into complex multiversal
Also goku fighting and being relative to arale beats anything sonic can do arale performed a high hyperversal feat casually and beerus was stronger than her and goku surpassed beerus in the anime in the tournament of power
Goku is 5D level given the cosmology of Universe 7 and how much stronger he has currently gotten during the Tournament Of Power, Moro Arc and Granola arc.
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It's one of those match ups where people are "This isn't even gonna be close right?" And I'm like "You're right but not how you think you are!
Legit this is exactly how it went for me.
What is it Archie sonic or whatever his name is in the comics is like way to op
@battlebacon1442 yea but goku glazers when goku gets out classed they always bring up "the manga"
Sonic solos the verse let alone goku
@@MaxValdez-pp9riHe literally showed game Sonic feats, why would you think it was Archie?
Curious George, next.
Fax 🥶 🥶
Curious George becomes Furious George and solos the Monsterverse.
Theres a website that measures the level of power of characters abd curious george is boundless + +
@@chadgorosaurus4898bro you can get Barbie to universal so I don't think kid chars can't actually be broken
Care bears has a large island calc by the way
@@AnnePickering, that's not real.
Waiting for the guy to comment: "But can he surpass gokuversal?"
If they do it's just to get attention but being real it depends on which version of the two characters where using like for example
Sonic X current goku
It really depends
@@GhostGamerX4566 also frontiers > current goku, comic sonic is overkill
@@lucygardiner7594 can you explain that pls I hear people saying he can all though I wouldn't know how since I don't play frontiers
@@GhostGamerX4566 It's some cyber sonic stuff, but I think it's just him being ANOTHER godlike being. I'm not entirely sure of the specifics, but this "Super Sonic 2" or whatever is apparently way too strong, that's all I know.
Ill try to help adding onto it.
Sonic frontiers is a Open world Sonic Game where sonic and friends get trapped on random Island. Sonic’s Friends turn into “Cyber-Ghosts” while sonic himself stays normal. Throughout the game as sonic free’s his friends he gains “cyber corruption” and Uses a partial part of the cyber energy to further advance himself giving his base and super form WAY more abilities than just Spin dashing/homing attacking , Sliding or boosting into things. He actually had more melee combat. This of course stacked into his super form. Allowing super to be able to have more attacks than just using invincibility frames to ram into one another. Not to mention base frontier’s parry mechanic Slows down time for sonic to get more hits in. (Doesn’t work on bosses but if you combo string his new abilities their animations slow down causing you to deal more damage if done correctly. Parrying causes special animation that may otherwise or may not otherwise save your rings.)
Moving forward the Game had Free DLC featuring Training Trials. The trial named “master koco trial” or as we call it the perfect parry trial. During this trial super sonic had to face all 3 main titans with only 1 set of “400 rings” and they didn’t replenish after each kill, also super sonic was fighting each boss with lvl 1 stats forcefully. During the final boss super sonic is shown to barely do damage to supreme titan’s phase 3. (The end’s control) and is forced to have to use his new abilities. By Stacking Cyber energy on top of his super form he created what the fandom is called “Super sonic 2.” A transformation that is way more powerful than basic Super. Allowing sonic to negate all damage and move even Faster with just the cost of more ring Expense. After weakening the supreme titan enough Super sonic 2 goes “all out” and enters the non supressed version of Super sonic 2, whats we also call “Cyber super sonic” where he gains a glitchy blue pattern along his entire body. And grey spiral eyes. (Not completely fleetway if you’re wondering. Just the irises.) he shoots through the end and supreme simultaneously killing both. And super sonic ends up as the victor. As far as we know Cyber Super is the Games strongest form so far. Even being put up against Hyper sonic as being the new generations strongest while hyper is the OG strongest.
I agree with the outcome but not the claim that his fight with solaris was his strongest. There's plenty of evidence statements and feats that heavily imply that currrent base modern sonic (frontiers) is stronger that his super sonic form in any of the pre forces games. And his current super sonic form is ridiculously stronger than before.
With the whole statement infinite is stronger than all previous sonic enemies and sonic beat him in his base.
The end is stated the strongest enemy sonic faces but too be fair he needed super sonic 2 which the people who made frontiers say it probably not going to show up again so
@gameuniverse5973 i can confidently say that the super Sonic 2 form is a 2 times multiplier, which Sonic should be able to reach by himself
In the normal ending, it took the combined power of sage controlling supreme and super sonic. Super Sonic is clearly more powerful than supreme by having beaten it, and if supreme by their own can harm true form the end, then super sonic 2 should be similar to the power of 2 super sonics
Agreed
he does have a longer form video with better scaling
@@RackerTheRascalMashup it's way higher than 2x. Super Sonic was barely able to damage supreme, SS2 made it look easy.
Btw, just a quick thought, SEGA confirmed that Sonic’s tweets are canon…
So, basically they’re telling us that Sonic casually walks into our world, tweets some funny stuff, then returns to his own world…
I’d say that’s a reality level feat, ngl.
Slight disagreement with Goku's scaling, not saying he beats Archie unless you count Dr Slump Cosmology; Heaven is described as a higher dimension, being above time and all that, so MY scaling for Goku is 6-8D at a mid ball, using the Dr Slump Cosmology makes it busted.
Dr slump is non canon, so "if" we follow that statement then sure, goku has a chance
Hes not talking about Archie Sonic. This is Game Sonic
Dr Slump is very much canon, DBS even showed them, even if you’d like to dismiss that as ‘filler,’ the fact it’s even shown up IN SUPER is still telling, showing that it’s not forgotten in the slightest, which is consistent seeing as it showed up in OG DB.
@Monkes23 Dr slump isnt canon because the world map for both dr slump and dragon ball are completely different
the characters existing mean nothing if the original cosmology is gone
also, you wouldnt have happened to got that cosmology statement by the same person that said "the earth is 4 billion kilometers long" would you? because he also goes by "dr stu. pid" and "dr. iman. idot"
I’m not talking about the Earth statement in the show, I’m talking about the entirety of it. Just because you have one thing that contradicts it while you have TWO if not even MORE things that support that doesn’t discredit the fact, Dr Slump is literally canon.
This isn't fair ive requested Silver vs Goku's balls for over a year now
i’m sorry😬
LMAO
No wonder chi chi don't like goku
Honestly think you lowballed both characters but W video nonetheless bro keep up the good work ❤🙏🏾
Physical Strength - Son Goku
Lifting Strength - Son Goku
Striking Strength - Son Goku
Mental Strength - Son Goku (Debatable)
Travel Speed - Sonic The Hedgehog
Combat Speed - Sonic The Hedgehog
Reaction Speed - Sonic The Hedgehog
Agility - Sonic The Hedgehog
Blunt Durability - Sonic The Hedgehog
Piercing Durability - Sonic The Hedgehog
FSIQ - Sonic The Hedgehog
Knowledge - Sonic The Hedgehog
Battle IQ - Son Goku
Age Experience - Son Goku
Battle Experience - Son Goku
Raw Power - Son Goku
Destructive Power - Son Goku (Debatable)
Quality Abilities - Sonic The Hedgehog
Quantity Abilities - Sonic The Hedgehog
Endurance - Sonic The Hedgehog
Stamina - Sonic The Hedgehog
Hand to Hand Combat - Son Goku
Quality Weaponry - Sonic The Hedgehog
Quantity Weaponry - Sonic The Hedgehog
Quality Hax - Sonic The Hedgehog
Quantity Hax - Sonic The Hedgehog
Skill - Son Goku
Attack Potency - Sonic The Hedgehog
Destructive Capacity - Son Goku
Versatility - Sonic The Hedgehog
Dexterity - Son Goku
Offense - Son Goku
Defense - Son Goku
Quality Feats - Sonic The Hedgehog
Quantity Feats - Son Goku
Scaling - Sonic The Hedgehog
Winner - Sonic The Hedgehog
Diff - Mid-High
No way you gave striking strength to goku💀
Stricking Strength would go to sonic because the faster something is the more powerful the impact
@@psychojaydev5233yet they are both infinitely fast while goku has more base AP and overall strength than sonic 🤦🏾
@@kyorius3091 but sonic is way faster and like the other person said the faster something is the more powerful it is
@@kyorius3091and also goku haveing more strength then sonic is debtable if its game sonic but if its archie then sonic is way stronger
People need to put some respect on Game Sonic, he REALLY powerful, even more than Archie
nah game and archie are equal in power 🗿🍷
I kinda disagree
Not more powerful than Archie
FINALLY someone that understands how broken Game Sonic ACTUALLY is.
@@doutigui he is
Good content man
All of Sonic’s abilities:
•Super speed
•Reaction time is as fast as speed
*At best goes above the time barrier*
•Chaos powers
*Examples: Make Clones, Turn into fireball, Chaos Control, Chaos Spear, Hyper Sonic, Super Sonic, etc. Shown in Sonic Adventure 2, and Sonic Superstars, but there are many more examples*
•Plot Manipulation
*Seen in Sonic And The Secret Rings where he changes the plot to stop him dying*
•Plot and fate immunity
*Shown in Sonic And The Secret Rings*
•Mind Control and Soul manipulation immunity
*Shown in Sonic Unleashed, where Chip says Sonic’s strong will stopped Dark Gaia from controlling him*
•Insta Kill attack Immunity
*Shown in Sonic 06, where The Eye Of Solaris is supposed to kill anyone who looks into it*
•Sonic Wind
The ability to make a tornado or gust of wind with his speed
*Seen in Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Chronicles (But Sonic Chronicles is non-canon so it doesn’t matter)*
•Sonic Battle, Sonic The Fighters, and Sonic Frontiers attacks
•Immune to time stop abilities
*Shown in Sonic Generations*
•Teleportation
*Sonic Adventure 2*
•Time manipulation
*Sonic CD, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Generations*
•Can travel an infinite distance
*Sonic Forces*
•Can travel through dimensions
*Sonic Forces, Sonic Rush, Sonic 1, Sonic 2, Sonic 3K, Sonic Mania, Sonic Superstars, and Sonic CD*
•Can breathe in space
*Sonic Colors, Sonic Frontiers, Sonic Unleashed, Sonic Adventure 2, Sonic Rush*
•Power Ups:
Water Shield
Electric Shield
Fire Shield
Shield
Wisps
Chaos Emeralds
Rings *Increases durability, strength, and speed*
Secret Rings
Excalibur
Speed Shoes *Doubles his speed if he wasn’t fast enough*
Invincibility Shield
•Can clone himself with his speed
*Sonic Frontiers*
•Can kill everything close to him instantly
*Hyper Form in Sonic 3K*
•Can make wishes from the Chaos Emeralds
*Sonic 06*
•Wish immunity
*Sonic And The Secret Rjngs*
•Cyber energy immunity
*Sonic Frontiers*
•Cyber Energy gives Sonic 2 forms:
Super Sonic 2
Cyber Sonic
*Sonic Frontiers*
That’s all that I know of, there is probably more that I don’t know of.
Now to scale Sonic:
•He defeated Solaris
*He scales above Outerversal, and can be scaled to Multiversal*
•He beat Infinite
*Infinite is stronger than Solaris, and Sonic beat him at base*
•beat the DER MRK 5
*Said to be thousands of times stronger than Infinite, and was beaten by base Sonic*
•Scales close to each Titan at base
*So strong only Super Sonic can defeat them, but base Sonic is seen fighting them with slight trouble*
You can scale base Sonic to be at Outerversal and Multiversal and higher, maybe Hyperversal cause of Infinite, and DER MRK5, but he’s def way above Universal at base.
For the people who disagree with the Infinite claim:
•Eggman says that the Phantom Ruby is stronger than the Master Emerald in the IDW Comics
*IDW is now canon*
•Eggman talks about how he’s his strongest and greatest creation during the time of Sonic Forces
*This puts him above the likes of Metal Sonic, and Egg-Salamander*
•Literally stated to be Sonic’s strongest villain at the time of Sonic Forces
And don't forget about string theory from Sonic boom
@@GOAT-ganyuthat isn’t canon
@TTG37 sonic isn’t immune to wish granting Also xeno goku slams
Oh boi, you're getting haunted by both fandoms blud🦈
I love Goku but I have to say, attack potency would be lower than what you said at first because it was over the course of a few minutes of rapid strong punches that he threatened to destroy universe 7.
The rare moments when I agree with anyone
Base Sonic as of Sonic Forces is faster and more powerful than Super Sonic from 06.
Guys remember this guy said Kong is faster than light.
He's dodged Godzilla's atomic breath before which is calculated to be FTL, so yeah, it's not that much of a reach.
@@ChillCifer Kong is faster than light my man
his reaction time is faster then light, not his base speed
Debunk it if you think your right
His reaction speed not his travel and yes thats true
This is heavily lowballed bc planets in the hell realm are universal in size and there literally lost in the sheer size of hell
Goku would have destroyed hell which is above the concept of space and time making gokus ap in battle of gods outerversal
If i count that archie universe is au to Sonic multiverse and count string theory from Sonic boom to Sonic multiverse, then Sonic in base beat Infinite who stated to be stronger than Solaris 1000 times, making Sonic high outerversal in base (forces), Sonic frontiers makes Sonic boundless in base, Super Super Sonic easily beats many weak comic characters from dc and marvel, Starfall Super Sonic is easily on par with the strongest marvel character and the strongest dc character, Cyber Super Sonic off charts, Archie base Sonic even stronger than Cyber Super Sonic
And destroying infinite multiverse isn't outerversal, it's low complex multiversal
@@GOAT-ganyu thats not true
Solaris is uni to multiversal
Destroying timelines is a multiversal feat
Same goes for time eater those are multiversal feats outerversal means to surpass all dimensions and those dimensions to scale above space and time itself
Sonic has only threatened universes with his power
Sonic at best is complex multiversal
NOT boundless stop overwanking him if you dont know cosmology
@@Kyroniss Frontiers base Sonic is 16d hyperversal immeasurable speed via string theory, beating Infinite who is thousand times stronger than Solaris(Solaris is 13d via string theory), restored time with his speed, gets stronger every second escaped cyberspace which isn't even The End can't escape who is inevitable, infinite and etc, Super Sonic is 24d (25d mental attack) high hyperversal, Starfall Super Sonic is low outerversal, Cyber Super Sonic high outerversal bc he one shot not only vessel of The End but The End himself, with super string theory base frontiers Sonic is outerversal, Super Sonic boundless, Starfall Super Sonic boundless, Cyber Super Sonic boundless, Cyber Super Sonic is on par with Archie Ultra Sonic or maybe even stronger
@@GOAT-ganyu sonic needed to go full power to beat the weaker form of the end
Super sonic couldnt beat dark gaia without assistance same goes for infinite your own custom character had to jump in and help sonic take down infinite
Dark gaia at best is universal
It doesnt matter if you have INFINITE power if you dont scale above space and time your only omnipotent on a multiversal scale
Goku has hit infinite zamasu an omnipresent being and also a living paradox
Not to mention you brought up archie they're plenty other goku versions id gladly bring up
Jump force goku-surpassed promethesus who merged marvel comics and all of jonin realms
Omnipotent-immeasurable layers boundless feat
Goku from jump force would scale above marvel comics
Cc goku-
Has key sword can nullify any oppoenents abilities and hax
Cc goku fought xeno goku who xeno goku himself beat mechikabra who merged every single timeline crystal from xenoverse
Those timelines were infinite and also high outerversal
Not to mention the real world (*arcade is another reality inside super dragon ball heros and also exist as another timeline itself people lile future trunks one shot demigra and even mechikabra who could obliterate the real world outside the arcades which is a boundless realm due to it being infinite in dimensionality and trancends the infinite outerversal arcade realm which makes it baseline boundless*)
Cc goku can do that in his base he also surpasses supreme kai of time who held up all of creation with jist her strength alone and even kid goku can prob beat her
Cc goku is connected to the games so he would also have the xenoverse 2 abilities
This implies
Plot manipulation
Fate manipulation
Immortality-invulnerbility
Conceptual manipulation
Boundary manipilation-this can put goku on on a true omnipotent scale as boundary manipulation surpasses metaphysical limitations and can let goku acheive anything he wants
Literally definining omnipotence
Xeno goku-boundless to nigh omnipotent threat
God goku fusion- this goku has fought frieza stated that he can kill the auidence that is watching and not to mention goku himself fused with the auidence therefore making him literally beyond or even unscalable to author levels as toryiama himself would be fused in with goku
"Metafiction scales nowhere🤓"
That would include archie sonics author pen feat as well as its unscalable and metafictional and nothing more than a 4th wall break
Kakuiemi goku-high outerversal
Af goku-infinite-infinitely boundless
Yall archie sonic fans bring up archie sonic when goku fans actually give feats that goku beats game sonic but act like there aint stronger versions of goku
Comp goku-author level *omnipotent*
Curious about cartoon character scaling like Atom ant and Word Girl if you don't mind Goji!
Next up Curious George vs Caseoh vs Gigachad vs hyper sonic
Kid goku vs jet stream Sam next?
Bro Jetstream sam only scales to city level to large city at best
a better one would be raiden from mgr vs kid goku
W Short Chronic
A little something you forgot about goku when you mentioned him in ssjgod. He absorbed all that power into his base form and then we have to take into account the multipliers for ssj ssj2 and ssj3, which is 50× 100× and 400×, we don't really know the multipliers for blue or god but we do know that blue is 50× god. Also, you forgot about ui omen(literally just the first time using it). goku managed to shake an infinite nothingness
Sonic in base beat some being that had something stronger than infinite power (master emerald)
Don't forget that sonic literally restored time just by running through the levels in sonic generations and ran through null space which is an infinite void along with sonic in base defeating perfect chaos making him stronger than super sonic from sonic adventure 1 and 2
I have to disagree with you’re outcome. Dragon Ball has guides stating that Otherworld is super dimensional and has no concept of time. Since Goku was going to destroy the entirety of Universe 7’s macrocosm in his clash with Beerus, including Otherworld, that would put Goku in Complex Multiversal to Outerversal. Goku would also have Immeasurable speed since he surpassed Infinite Zamasu who merged with Future Trunks’ timeline and was even seeping into the main timeline.
I thought by now it was common knowledge that was a mistranslation
@@AnimationDude_ Why would it be a mistranslation. It makes sense since nobody ages when they’re dead.
@@burnscooper892I can agree with the complex multiversal scaling for Goku but outerversal scaling for him is wanking it in my opinion. I also disagree with the immeasurable speed. Infinite speed I can agree with, but if you give him faster than time speeds, it will make the instant transmission useless.
@@TACOKINGTHEFIRST Wouldn’t the same apply to chaos control though?
@@burnscooper892I haven't heard them use that in a while. Doesn't chaos control do more than freeze time?
The debate is WAY more complicated than any short can do it justice, but this comment section is just crazy. Some y’all ain’t even listening to what was said in the video 😭
Sonic is a Pan victim
@@PanHispanistaCatólico I don’t think you’ve done any research actually Sonic power scaling, my guy. While that’s reasonable, maybe do that next time before you make yourself look like a complete fool, ok?
That, or you are trolling which I can get behind
@@LaymoSupraymo Complex multi fodder
@@PanHispanistaCatólico Before I say anything, Is this what you ACTUALLY believe?
@@LaymoSupraymo It really doesn't matter either way. Sonic isn't anywhere near outer even at highball.
I’ll definitely say that if you would add the feet and abilities that Archie sonic has Goku at his best could be in trouble but the fight would be extremely close
Just had a pure curiosity what are your feelings on death battle? Do you love them or Hate them? Were they an inspiration? Do you have a favorite and dis favorite and is there a future death battle You really want to see them do?
The fact that dbz fans think just because goku is multiversal he automatically beats everyone is such bs given how small the dbz multiverse is compared to literally everything else
Sonic has beaten someone with 11-dimensional statements in his base form. That's all you need to know when comparing the two
You forgotten that sonic has defeated the end. The end is literally death he says this in the fight with super sonic "I am the orchsetrator and orbiter of the order in the universe"the end even said "sonic has transcended law time and space" and lastly in the fight sonic said "i have to break the chains of fate" the end even said he is stronger than every villain sonic Has faced.
I don’t agree but it was a good short
Here is power scaling of sonic's forms compared to Goku's. Werehog is equal strength to oozaru. Dark sonic is equal to false super Saiyan level. Darkspine is equal to super Saiyan 1 and 2 power. Excalibur sonic is equal strength to ssj3 power. Super sonic is equal power to ssg. Starfall super sonic is equal to ssj blue. Cyber sonic is equal to ssj blue kaioken x20. And hyper is superior to ui
Bro what is this 💀
Super Sonic>>>>>Comp Goku
@@eatchickeninthekitchen8665 I know that. But I'm making it a fair fight so Goku fans don't riot me.
@@WOLFGOD12 Reasonable enough I guess
@@WOLFGOD12 sonic him fr
Video title: Sonic stomps Goku, heres why
Now here comes the next question. Who Would Win, Superman Or Mario?
@@PhineasMoeller I do easily think Mario over comp Godzilla,Kratos,Goku,and doomslayer but no one beating current superman
@@gameuniverse5973 I don't know what's more embarrassing for old Kakarot, loosing to a cartoon hedgehog or a pudgy italian plumber.
Superman.
@@gameuniverse5973godzilla easily one shots mario
@@TheologicalRezi Mario beats Godzilla as bad as dreamy Bowser
Assuming this guy hasn’t read the Archie comics(I could be wrong though)
Game Sonic? Goku wins. Sonic needed help with most (but not all) of the feats he described.
Archie Sonic? Sonic wins. He’s just on another level.
Who would win Ben 10 (Carnitrix) or The Justice League?
Which version of the Jl tho?
And oh boy don’t get me started on Archie Sonic
Believe me or not but due to Smash Bros, the Sonic verse is deadass Extraversal.
No
Smash isn't canon to anything but itself
@@Godzilla_Beast_of_Revelation True
The goku speed downplaying is insane goku at infinite speed!? dude people can get z movie goku to inrelevant speed via the Instant transmission feat from cooler movie not to mention in super more accurately in the goku black arc goku was seen moving in future trunks erased timeline which had no space and time this was base goku as well
Sonic was able to move through his own destroyed universe also instant transmission is not speed also Sonic was able to move through a place that has no space-time
Dude if it has no time than how the hell did the time machine get there the time machine needs a time to go to so the erased timeline has time
Not sure why everyone uses Solaris as sonics best interpretation of sonics power even if we're just talking about game sonic his feats in generations and the secret rings are way better.
Agreed secret rings brings sonic mutliversal
Sonic wins.
Wouldn't Goku not scale to his clashes with Beerus given he was gonna die from it as well
Taking sonic at his best and comparing that to beginning of super goku to give him a chance is very nice
You realize that goku doesn't have many other feats in super, right? He just played safe with what's concrete and not speculative like goku having inaccessible speed by moving in a place without time or hit's timeskip
He gets unquantafiably stronger from the start of super to now making it pretty hard to actually say how much more powerful he is
Really but mid range sonic vs top goku sonic is cooked
DBS Goku is still low multiversal as of Super Hero
@@GeneFOX70 that is beyond lowball
@@RackerTheRascalMashup you can get goku into innacessable speed pretty concretely as he forced himself into the future against his fight with hit so thats not really speculation
The battle between 2 characters with one of the worst fanbases ever
Goku or sonic would win but it would be a very close match
My goat sonic slams 🙏🏽
Sonic would end up defeating the entire dragon Ball xenoverse that's not even considering hypersonic
Average sonic fan:
@@ManuelGonzalez-g1hGet Goku past low multi then. Sonic outscaled 11 dimensional beings in base
@@AnimationDude_ which enemy? im a sonic fan and im not sure what enemy your on about, i think the most hes taken in base is 4-5d super can go much further
@@lucygardiner7594 A single chaos emerald is 11D via string theory. Sonic defeated Perfect Chaos who completely drained those emeralds of their power
@nowhereisland-y1v Even Gokutards agree they're invalid and have been debunked
Sonic slaughters Goku and his verse no question the only person who can challenge Sonic in a fight is xeno Goku and even he might still have a chance of losing as well 😂
W video
That Goku feat wasnt made by Goku alone, there was beerus too, and a reminder ti everyone Beerus>>>Goku
My guy, goku was able to tank his fist, its impressive that he can even clash with beerus without getting his hand blown out or smth, goku is still high outer due to cosomolgy and feats.
@@Roguedemon_XFAnyone who calls Goku high outer is just a blatant fanboy.
Prove that Sonic has an infinite multiverse
Couldn’t go into it here but it’s in the same cosmology as Archie sonic which has an infinite multiverse, the related video for the shorts goes into a deeper explanation of this concept but due to the time limit of shorts I can’t explain everything
@@Goji-CEven without Archie, you could scale the Mainline Sonic Verse to at least 10D due to Sonic Boom being a parallel universe that follows String Theory. You can then upscale the dimensional transcendence feats from Rush and the rest of the feats that come after
Its been stated by archie the sonic cosmo is infinite multiverse
@@TheologicalRezi but that’s the Archie comics, not the Game
@@JoJolion1 Game Sonic has made cameo appearances in numerous other Sonic verses, as well as countless crossovers throughout the years.
i think ssj god power is overrated because his lash not effected in solar system
i guess you can say goku just too slow.
So : Superman > Flash > Sonic > Goku
So where should sonic be scaled to
The start of super goku vs end game sonic
Very nice and fair
Goku haters need to down play him just for the other person to win 😂
Get him past low multi. Sonic in his base form outscaled hyperversal beings
@@AnimationDude_But Goku can literally tap into his ui technique in his base state as of now In which is also an divine powerful technique that can out put energy’s in domains without space and time such as the world of void in which exists outside the multiverse which is beyond the otherworld and the kaioshin realms. So It wouldn’t be much of an easy fight as you may think.
@@christopher4249 Dragon Balls "multiverse" is only 12 universes. It's barely multi-universal. He's fodder. Even if he was high multi Sonic is low hyper
@@AnimationDude_ Yeah you know that’s just completely wrong right, the 12 universes of dragon ball are realities that are 40x the size of the IRL universe plus each universe should have an infinite amount set of corresponding timelines within each of there time-stream continuums plus there own realms and domains along with U7 in which are beyond the concepts of space and time, metaphysics, being ahead of logical understanding by mortal minds etc. and then there’s the greater reaches of the dragon ball multiverse where SDBH’s cosmological structure extends it even more further as well too with it proving that there is an xenoverse & Omniverse higharchy within the DB cosmology as well too such as these expansive parts of the world having there own variants of the Pendulum of time & room of spirit and time domains, the demon realm, the time labyrinth, and including even the eternal labyrinth dimensional areas or quadrants too because from it also mostly being connected towards the mainstream franchise all together through Dragon ball media material original creator & his fellow colleagues statements and announcements.
@@christopher4249 It literally isn't. Get off your fodders meat.
Sonic negs the verse with super sonic
@avinja no he doesn’t
Sonic no concept of difficulty included
I don’t think game sonic has immeasurable speed
Sonic is just too powerful for goku the blue rodent does not play around
It depends on which goku and also sonic
Sonic claps all canon goku -like low diff
Fan made and uncanon depends
Fanmade Goku has no cosmology and is hypoversal. Same goes for fanmade Sonic forms
@@AnimationDude_ actually this isn't entirely true well for goku atleast Af goku is derived from gt cosmology, cc goku follow dbs cosmology, arj goku also follows dbs cosmology and really all version of goku are canon to the multiverse but not the main timeline
@@GhostGamerX4566 Non-canon official versions of Goku have cosmology, unofficial, fanmade ones don't
Funny every character beats goku. Yet yall always use goku for the standard in power scaling . Anyone who disagrees is a glazer. Just find it funny
Goku is outer bare minimum at base😂
Sonic solo the goku verse in hyper from ngl
Fax
but can they beat dante?
Sonic could go even
@@Maskman8547 ain't no way you're saying that a wally west victim have a 50% at beating dante
@@_HomTolland both are infinite 5d so they'd be even
Sonic ftw
Why did u only use Battle of gods Goku?
Fax sonic wins and it is statet that Infinit is stronger then Solaris and he beater him in base with the rekrut (the partner or avatar)
I want a proper mario vs sonic who knows both scaling you can get both to hyperversal with infinty speed with crazy hax both even have some outer to boundless scales
Goku cant hang with this guys to be honest mario vs the DBS verse is not close a better debate is mario vs cc or xeno Goku yet i still think mario slams
It would be a really fun video
He would actually need to include all the games as all contain the same mario according to Miyamoto, meaning that it's almost a composite game mario
@gameuniverse idk if Mario slams cc and xeno goku lil bro
Let’s go mathematical. With Goku’s power being 5000 when traveling snake way, and him traveling half the distance over 28 hours, we can conclude that he was flying at 11,160 miles per hour. dividing this by five we can conclude that for every 1000 power, he gets roughly 2230 mph faster. Dbz kakarot says he is at a power level of 10 billion by the buu saga. We can calculate this to mean he is moving at 22 billion miles per hour. Sonic only goes at the speed of light. This means Goku is going 33 times faster than sonic in the buu saga. Add training with whis, and super saiyan blue Kaioken times 10’s power and it literally FORCING ITS WAY THROUGH TIME, I think it’s safe to say Goku takes the dub.
That is countered by Super Sonic having infinite power and invulnerability
Think you forgot that Beerus flight from one galaxy to another in 2 minutes put his speed 315 trillion times the speed of light and he said he was using 70% of his power against Goku and in dragon ball when power increase , speed also increase
The hell are you on?
Sonic is much faster than the speed of light
At best sonic and goku have the same Immeasurable speed
Sonic restored time through running, he run through a place with infinite distance and finished it. He won against a villain that was eating entire timelines and dimensions in seconds casually, even saying the first phase was too easy
@jbfire772 Beerus wasn't actually using 70%, that's only on the movie version, the super anime and manga have him using an unknown amount
@@RackerTheRascalMashup well then GOKU speed is in the billions then
You can’t really count anything from sonic 06 considering it’s own existence and erases it from the timeline so sonic can’t really achieve those showings of strength. He has within sonic 06 if that makes any sense so yeah it’s barely going to Goku
Sonic, Shadow, and Blaze all remember the events of 06. Infinite is stated to be stronger than Solaris, and The End is stronger than Infinite.
Sonic 06 is canon its even canon to archie as well as silver remembers it as well
@@wallsterrence Archie sonic isn’t canon
@@GeneFOX70 and nothing proves this infinite greatest showing was conjuring a sun meanwhile Solaris threatened to destroy infinite reality the end is planetary along with infinite at the best
@@mazinsanik who said it was canon
Bro forgot the end and infinite
Sonic got that W
Bro using tournament of power goku 😂😂😂 Hes Way beyond that bruh
Mario vs Sonic?
Both get bullied by mario
The trully strongest is actually Cirno
It would be like the second Sonic movie just cause he’s faster don’t mean he’s stronger
Sonic is stronger tho
@@axiom6000he’s not he needed help with soloris from shadow and silver
@@Mugetsugetsyou And? Like literally who cares? Solaris is way stronger than Goku, and there are Sonic villains stronger than Solaris.
@Poopoofart445 he only needed help caude solaris was Omnipresent
And even then, the 3 versions of solaris had the same power, and the 3 hedgehogs defeated a part of solaris by their own
Plus, super Sonic gave a part of his own power so the other hedgehogs could transform meaning he's actually nerfed in the Solaris fight.
@@RackerTheRascalMashup Sonic wasn’t nerfed during the fight, but I can agree with most of what you said
Game sonic, hell no, base archie sonic without his legs, hand, eyes, base, and torso, at 0.001% power, HELL YAH🦅🦅🦅🦅🦅
Crazy how both mario and sonic literally flick Goku away like it crazy how high there scaling can get when you really look at it i find it gross tho how downplayed Mario is he should be bare minimum put at multi
Also hot take game mario>paper mario
Game sonic>archie sonic in scaling even if people think it the opposite
I agree with everything tbh, good job 👍
from other scans they keep saying about goku being outerversal because of the afterlife having no concepts of time and space well that's what i always get when i ask them
Edit1: well Goku also moved in a timeless void aka the erased future trunks world
It’s not timeless since the TIME machine was able to go there.
Moving in a timeless void Isn't a speed feat. The lack of time doesn't make you faster
That's a mistranslation and was never canon.
@@AnimationDude_ there's no mistranslation error
@@lazerbreaker4758 It's literally common knowledge that all of these feats were supposed to say "eternal" and were mistranslated. Goku is a fodder.
me solos
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It will never not be sonic, if you say it's goku then you are not scaling sonic correctly
Look at the amount of bias towards Sonic and the hatred towards the character of Goku. He mentioned simple things and did not mention anything like the following: Carl Jr.’s dead zone, Super Spaces, or Broly’s super dimensions. Why do we go so far into these films? We return to the thing he said about the battle of Beerus and Goku. It was mentioned that this battle has Super dimensions. He did not mention that he and goku fought in the other world, which has no concept of time and space, which gives him immeasurable speed and It's possible speed Irrelevant
Moving in a space outside of time isn't a speed feat
@@Funghios The situation is that you do not know anything. I will explain that speed is immeasurable. It is movement in a place that does not contain linear time. This is what happens in the other world. There is no time passing in it, which is what they both move in. What gives them this thing? It was mentioned that their battle transcends time and space. Speed is irrelevant. Going beyond the concept of time itself, Goku did it. I cannot summarize it by saying that speed in Dragon Ball, strength equals speed, Goku outer equals speed, is irrelevant.
@@polk-tr7uv Everyone can move in a space where time doesn't exist
@@Funghios What about that? Do you have an objection that you submit to the wiki site and they will find a solution for you? We use wiki sites. For this reason, if you have an objection, submit it to them and do not come to me.
Carl Jr? Don't you mean garlic jr?
How do we go from goku fighting arguably the strongest fictional character next to goku to F ING sonic the hedgehog?
Sonic is one of the strongest fictional characters lol
“Arguably the strongest fictional character” 🫵😭
Hyper Sonic solos
if this is archie sonic bye bye
You are comparing an anime character to a game character. If we put jump force Goku here bro is cooked just saying
Can u do samus vs doomslayer next
As much as I love Samus, she's not winning that one
Doomguy wins, no dif
@@gigawarman12Samus can barely get to planet bruh while doomslayer has multi stuff sent in Mario instead I have him beating doomslayer
@@gameuniverse5973 there's stellar AP arguments based on Dark Samus scaling (potentially higher), but even giving her that isn't getting her over on Doomslayer
@@gigawarman12 dark Samus destroying a dimension feat would need high assumptions but it not getting over universal or large universal while doomslayer has multi stuff easily
Sonic wins!!!
Sonic is winning😭
And don’t even mention Archie sonic bro solos DBZ
Plz scale JJK and Genshin…
Goku wins high diff
Cap goku and sonic outerversal
What about godzilla tho
based on the feats of sonic you said, i disagree, goku was able to destroy the universe, containing the afterlife, the afterlife transcends dimensionality = high outerversal, it is also said it one of the guidebooks that goku super saiyan alone was beyond mathematics = low outerversal, the afterlife also has no concept of space and time = outerversal. goku is stronger than gogeta who can break the boundaries of the universe just by clashing with broly which would make goku just a lil above outerversal
Remember this. said by goku fans. GOKU. SOLO'S.
That was debunked
Stop using mistranslations that aren't canon. It's literally common knowledge that's a mistranslation nowadays. He's fodder.
Sonic can destroy heaven as well and also can exist without the concept of space time the phantom Ruby can destroy the boundaries of dimensions
I don't agree with the outcome because the goku your using is the beginning of super which isn't fair for him at all and he's gotten way stronger since then at bare he's at complex multiversal to hyperversal with immeasurable speeds.
The start of super to this day is Goku's most impressive feat
And then people just scale goku up by how many times they feel necessary
But there is nothing that could get goku into complex multiversal
@@RackerTheRascalMashupWell what about high multi-universal or multiverse?
@@jbfire772That can be arranged
But super sonic or even base current sonic if you force it a bit can reach the same level through his cosmology
@@RackerTheRascalMashup agree
Also goku fighting and being relative to arale beats anything sonic can do arale performed a high hyperversal feat casually and beerus was stronger than her and goku surpassed beerus in the anime in the tournament of power
Archie Sonic *cough*
not canon
Goku is 5D level given the cosmology of Universe 7 and how much stronger he has currently gotten during the Tournament Of Power, Moro Arc and Granola arc.
Same thing can be said for sonic
Super sonic ranges from 5-D to 6-D depending on how you interpret the cosmology