Macbook gets destroyed in a way I have NEVER seen before: FATALITY
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Over the years you get used to seeing all manner of different types of failures of electronics but now and then something lands on your desk that leaves you shocked and suffering from a severe case of over-gasping like drama was an extreme sport.
Because this board failure has left me with so many questions, I'll be proceeding to do some testing in the next couple of days to see if my theory holds any weight.
Happy to report that I've been permitted to share the history of the device...
* Fell off my bed and would then not power up.
* Just left is for around a month.
* Booked a trip to overseas and a friend over there said he knew someone that may be able to fix it.
* Took it over and left with my mate to take to some electronic place to have a look at.
* Few days later it came back as unfixable.
* Brought it back to Aus and has been sitting here for 6-8 months
* Saw your video on RUclips and thought hey let an Aussie expert have a go.
@@pldaniels It would appear the laptop's owner was scammed.
I've seen damage that looked exactly like this on devices that were struck by lightning.
@@theParticleGod Yes! Now that you mention it, I too have seen some high end HF Transceivers and HF Amplifiers (HAM Radio equip) connected to antenna towers directly hit by lightning strike. They were a mess. Exploded and melted stuff all over the place absolutely unrepairable total loss on all equipment involved. Serious carnage.
Someone swapped the PCB before sending it off to you - lack of signs on the chassis. Looks like malicious damage, there was serious external current applied.
Yes, that was my first thought.
I wonder if is insured.
My thoughts exactly just before Paul said it, i was thinking, that's never from that chassis, lol
My exact thought. Someone worked on the original board and sold it
Microwaved, that's a Great Theory. The other "repair" shop, took the customers board for parts, and put this disaster of a board, into this customer's case/chassis. I've seen that done with tv's and other electronics, when i worked at a national retailer, that had it's own national repair shops, and affiliate repair shops. Great Video! Thank You Mr. D!!
It's a possibility I'm exploring along with they f-d it up in the workshop. Checking the NVRAM data may help here.
Wow! in all the years watching your content this one stands out as a wtf! Maybe we will need you to show us what a microwave can do to a board, just to back up the theory and for science!!! ....Awesome and very interesting vid Paul 😉
I would bet if the ssd was recovered it would not be your customers data. They probably thought, no one will fix this (whatever was wrong with the original board), so they threw this old board in there and kept the customer's board for donor parts.
Maybe someone thought of giving this board a quick reflow in a microwave in grill mode and somehow screwed up and literally microwaved the board... Melting a ceramic capacitor like that requires a LOT of power and, by the looks of it, it was very localized, like in a microwave hotspot.
Was certainly one of my thoughts - "Did they use the wrong mode?"
Yes, the result looks really like this was a microwaved electronics. Also notice the tiny spots on the metal shields and the large ferrites. Plus its all over the place - so I am 100% sure.
Hi Paul, yeah look like a swap board from a previus attempt to repair failed...and maybe a joke to test you... Let know US what said the customer... Bye Francesco Timpano from Florence Italy
Has been confirmed it's gone to another place, so at least we now know it's not from the original drop
That board is rooted! I can only imagine the firework display as it went up in smoke!
It certainly would have been quite a show
I work in it as a repair technician sometimes last time I saw something like this it was a case where someone was trying to destroy a laptop to hide illegal stuff they had on it so they opened it up and stuck 120v on various connections
Could be a loose-wired brushing over the board of high voltage I suppose. I'll be trying the microwave test too still as well.
If i was feeling malicious id be saying that back case is new from the previous repair shop. No way that doesnt have singe makes on it.
This board is such a horror show, I'm going to have nightmares for months after watching this
it was done on purpose. someone was connecting cable with high voltage to the coils
Absolutely whack. It's obvious when you consider that the mobo go microwaved - but like, who would be expecting that?! Why would someone do that?!
I agree with the others that it must be someone trying to make sure that it definitely wouldn't be fixable. Either for insurance, or someone playing the "I don't want to get upstaged by the next shop, so I'll _make sure_ they also fail..."
Most of that damage looks like probe points. My guess is some one was using high volt/amp to find shorts and just burnt everything.
Might have watched a few too many "It's easy to fix" type videos and went full crank on the short-killer path
A laptop dying by getting dropped even though it doesn’t have a HDD: Think Different.
Dam that's nasty! All i can say whoever worked on that board before needs to never ever touch electronics.
Feeling the same way - sadly I've been getting a solid portion of my queue with machines that have been touched by people who shouldn't touch.
No visible dents on chassis. No port damage . No crack screen. Missing fan shrouds . Rounded screws. Classic case of blame some else by swapping logic board and the person hoping to see it on a LIVE to be relieve of guilt. Lucky Paul Records his repairs . Just got caught with evidence
Has been confirmed it's been at another location "for repair" before coming here. Now to see if we can find the S/N of the board.
"What the hell" and "Holy shit" are always appreciated .... LOL... that was epic.
Microwaved, I think, as it would cause high voltage spikes in ferrite loops popping the caps and the localized pitting is from arcing. Mayhap the last repair person was Thor?
Aye, I try to keep those explitives to a minimum, or convert to Afrikaans ;)
We'll see how the microwaving tests go in a few days.
@@pldaniels I can tell you some Urdu or Thai explicatives lol .... but I love that honest content more than anything! Thanks for making good videos that are instructive, entertaining and interesting. Your skill set is pretty amazing. I did component level repair on locomotives the boards were the size of the laptop you were repairing and the caps and resistors were the size of pencils. Much easier! Lol peace out sir.
I would try and read the serial number of the board to see if it matches the bottom case. That logicboard has definitely been swopped. I've been repairing Macbook's for over 15 years and every time i see burnt components there is always some marking on the case. I would hook up U6100 to a programmer and see what the serial number really is...
Planning to try do that soon as I get some more time... also, a shiny new microwave has been purchased... :)
they mistaken the type of oven used to some sort of repairs... hahaha !!! 😂😢😅
or used it near a powered tesla coil ....
Yes, one of the dangers of a combination oven, perhaps.
This should be the poster child for all manner of visible faults on a PCB! Wow! I concur that this board and chassis are not of the same computer, and that this board was nuked in the microwave. I cannot think of another scenario where the carnage isso complete and spread about.
It's definitely one that I'll be remembering and cherishing for all the wrong reasons.
I agree with the microwave conclusions. Many of those parts look like they failed by burning from the inside - the CD3215 with the hole in it, that cap that looks like something was emerging from it, the burnt trace and the seemingly random burn points.
That’s a complete car crash 😳
wtf, now i have seen a some interesting things from lightning strike imac. but i think your right, microwave is the only thing i have ever seen melt things i didnt think could be melted.
We'll see how things fare in the next video ... will work on that tomorrow
Maybe this laptop was sold as working on Ebay or FB marketplace and the buyer swapped in this old board for a nice new one and then said "this laptop I bought isn't working" and got a refund. They get a new board and it costs nothing and we all know there are people out there who would pull this stunt. The original owner then sends it in for repair not knowing the original board has been swapped out but I guess we'll never know.
If i was feeling malicious id be saying that back case is new from the previous repair shop. No way that doesnt have singe makes on it.
How many fuses didn't blow? also looks like microwave damage.
oh boy that Logic board looks like someone injected 220V into it on purpose
It is never good when Paul opens a laptop looks at it and says oooof. It looks like that pwb was in a microwave.
That's a they were getting out of the hot tub and they dropped it and then the power brick followed it in right up to the AC wire and then pop.
5:58 that's a hole lot of trouble
Sure it wasnt you behind this one? :-)
I was thinking microwave, too.
Going to find out in a few days when I find myself some time....and a labcoat
That doesn't looks like it was dropped lol, or it was drop in a thunderstorm
Id hate to think what was connected to the same circuit as this, its all fucked it if didnt trip the circuit.
This was definitely a current-test-board from Apple, and it somehow made its way out of quarantine. 😂
brilliant video Paul i must admit i was chuckling at all the possible permutations of WHAT THE...........
Felt the same myself when I was saying them... "How much further can I escalate my drama voice?"
Looks like its been in a 12voltvids intro!
That's just crazy. Wow.
sabotage
i think you are right it got microwaved
Wow, a professional intro, logo and on to the show. I think Paul is ready for prime time on cable TV. 😀
I would say "Overvoltage" since the difference of potential controls the amount of current flow.
p.s. I agree with JCT4647 "Someone swapped the PCB"
I would say more like overpower or more like overenergy since it's energy that matters at the end of the day ;) You can have some very high voltage, but if it can't supply current it wont do that kind of damage. Also even if you have high voltage and high current like in the case of ESD it won't still melt the tracks ;) Time also matters ;) Just nit picking ;)
That's what my cat, Hewlett said. The nightstand did it!".
If the cat said it, then it's true.
@@pldaniels I agree. The only problem is I don't own a nightstand...
Microwave hadn't occurred to me until you mentioned it in the end there! Agree that it's actually the "only" logical reasoning for that damage... I would never have been able to get that, but then.. in my head it's about as good to put a logic board in a microwave as it is to "dry" a dog in a microwave. What is the world coming to? I don't mean to sound like an old fart complaining, but the world has gone from: Car manuals used to contain directions to change a fan belt, adjust timing, etc; Now it's directing you to not drink the contents of the battery 😣
Well, I accidently put my mother-in-law's gold inlayed plate in the microwave oven once and watched blue sparks fly. Luckily, I hid that plate with all the burn marks at the bottom of the stack. 😂
Paul I reckon your client sent it elsewhere and whoever was working on it knew it wasn’t repairable so they swapped out the board for parts thinking the owner would never notice. That type of damage can only come from an angry tech who has spent hours getting nowhere and was simply fed up or perhaps someone wanted to make sure their data could never be pulled off this board before sending it off to recyclers. If the glove don’t fit you must acquit… yer good luck with getting the original board back.
It has been confirmed that the machine has gone "elsewhere". It's going to be curious to see what the S/N is.
The original board has been replaced with this one!
I really wish I'd videoed some of the laptops I've had come in. Some of them have been truly horrendous and people say "it just stopped working" while neglecting to mention 6 other people have tried to repair it and the customer has taken it to bits 5 or 6 times. This laptop is a classic example of the "I dropped it and it stopped working" excuse🤣🤣🤣
It's definitely a blessing having the video capture running for all the jobs - saved my backside a couple of times.
Laptop with a very dodgy history. Great bit of PCB forensics Paul
Hopefully we'll dig in to it a lot more in the next few days with some more tests on other boards
The very first thing I said to myself is this board came out of a different case!
Looks microwaved!
Looks like lightning, same things happens to 2ways, when get a near by hit.
Yes, that would be about the only other thing I can consider as feasible possibility; I've seen "localised lightning" damage where a strike on the fence about 20m from the equipment had occurred, though that was 20 years ago now - will try nuking a board or two in the next few days to see if I can replicate this.
Like the repurpose of the baking mat 👍🕺
Works a lot better than many of the specifically-made silicon mat solutions for electronics; cheaper too.
That's either lightning or somehow mains voltage got in there. What a mess.
A mess it most certainly is.
Was the postmark on the packaging from Austin, Texas by any chance. Wouldn't put it past him to troll you like that. Bloody funny if he or someone else has. Need to keep a photo of that melted from the inside capacitor coz that is something special just like your unique _bug_ capture and its ablutions.
*Thank you* for the video Paul. 👍👍
It would have been hilarious if Rossmann had sent it as a joke, but no, this was a domestic job
Can't picture Louis spending coin on that. A gallon of flux, yeah. Wouldnt waste his time.
space aliens?
THAT is a really destroyed board. Maybe someone spilled something on it and tried to dry it of in a microwave?
Could be. Will be doing experiements to find out.
@@pldaniels Haha, don't forget to check the camera before recording 😀
Someone had a go at the board with a spot welder...
I think the owner is not telling you everything. Looking at the repair rate, the time it would take, plus now a new battery, it's hardly worth it.
Owner history has been posted/pinned now. Looks like a shop in a neighbouring country had their hands in it.
it looked like they were using an arc welder to change components. That's the worst I have ever seen.
Someone used a probe with more than 100V and injected voltage onto the capacitor, coils, and other components on the board. As a result, you don't see any visible damage on the casing because the board was removed when the voltage was applied.
Could it be something as simple (naive?) as someone attempting voltage injection but having set the voltage on the power supply too high by accident, not noticing until it was waaaay too late?
You know, could be a lightning hit. I took one last year close by and it fried a lot of hardware (cable box, router, switches, AP's).
It's possible they had it out of the chassis, were troubleshooting, using a beefy bench power supply, shorted it, then put it back in after.
I would ask the customer if they sent the correct laptop. But I also wonder if the laptop came too close to a powerful electromagnet or RADAR.
Thanks!
Looks like a board swop! It's unfortunately an electronic John Doe :(
This feels like someone tries to scam you - sending a totaly catastrophe in a "trojan horse" to you...
Looks like someone deliberately was touching a welding electrode against all the parts to blow it up so badly as a joke or testing you.
Wow! Probably someone tried diagnosing the board using a power supply and set it too high?
none of that damage could have occurred whilst in the chassis, prior repair attempt gone very bad and they've tried to hide it.
I think someone put te usb cable directly in the mains :))))
someone play with high voltage on the entire board ⚡️⚡️⚡️
I would like to give you a good opinion on my theory but I’m speechless.
Damn, def a lighting strike i think. came in from everywhere
This sure looks like some sort of trickery. No way that chassis is that clean with that extensive damage to the board. It virtualy looks like someone connected line voltage directly to the board and fried everything - particularly that *ceramic* cap... In my 56 yars of servicing electronic gear I have never seen a ceramic do such a thing.
Please to hear that it's not just me who's "never seen a ceramic do such a thing".
I'll be performing some tests with donor/test boards to see if I can replicate.
Looks like someone took a power supply at 19v and put voltage in places they suspected were short lol
Maybe add a zero at the end of that voltage :D
Definitely microwaved…. Or another alternative, poor isolated power supply and probed with an earthed scope, but this is highly unlikely. Probably was smashed and the owner read somewhere that putting the board in an Owen might fix it, although chose the wrong type of Owen😊
"Set to extra-crispy"
Why does it look like the Mobo was held over a fire?
I never forget years ago , a Samsung Galaxy S3 I was given to diagnose and asked why it wasn’t turning on ?
I asked
“what happened to it?”
The response was
“it fell off my knee “
This phone was in a top notch
(for the time) bumper case .
looked mint ,
not a mark on the screen!
So I shone my phone torch onto the screen and said loudly,
“THIS SCREEN HAS BEEN SMASHED TO BITS , THROWN HARD”
the LCD had more cracks than baked desert mud.
She instantly went bright red! As I handed it back ,
I knew exactly what she did to that phone 😂😂.
It always amuses me when people try to slip damaged phones off to you attempting to get you to fix them again "under warranty" when you know the look of so many types of damage from years of experience, from the "butt pocket sitdown" to "tile {carpet} floor benchtop drop". The 6" drop on to carpet claims always make me shake my head.
Maybe it was trying to run a update from windows 24H2 and went BOOM/ LOL🤣 or it tried to harness the 1.21gigawatts / from Marty's return to the Future 🤣🤣😂
I was going to comment "dropped from the bed into a induction oven..." then you pop up with the microwave theory 😄
Nice video though. Hope you'll get some more answers.
Maybe from some microwaving experiments.
Does the board match the chassis, numbers wise?
Not sure on the S/N yet, might be able to find that out later. For now, I am preparing to do my own testing to see if I can replicate this sort of damage.
did they inject too much at that melted cap
Someone went fault finding with the mother of all short killers ? Possibly a mig welder .
Hi Paul, Last time I seen that kind of damage was due to a severe power spike from mains power, probably did damage to other appliances as well.
By the way I may not be able to whatch you live as much as I used to but when I get the chance I do whatch all your video's and enjoy them. 👍
Your end comment about microwaved the board. If that was the case there would be a hell of a lot more damage, more traces burnt out, more chips with metal componants inside blown out, and you would find rather large holes blown through the board, practicallyall componants would show signs of distruction. Jus saying.
Fortunately for you I've not been doing much in the way of live streams lately, just too difficult to get the timing right.
Certainly a lot of energy has gone through this board and what's interesting is that I'm fairly sure those fuses haven't blown.
Is the board small enough to fit in a microwave? My 15.6" laptop motherboard will not fit into my 350mm wide microwave *unless* it goes in on the diagonal. 🤔
Apologies for the double post but I know if I edit the other one it can get lost in the clutter.
Someone commented elsewhere that maybe it was one of those combo convection/microwave ovens, they can be big enough, and they selected the wrong mode.
I'm not sure Paul D saying "oh wow" when he is looking inside your laptop is a good sign ;)
Unless of course you never wanted you laptop to work again. I wonder if "data recovery" is the last thing the owner actually wants.
Things are erring towards it likely not even being the data.
It would be interesting to see if this could be reproduced... whether a single high-voltage injection site would do the trick, or whether *multiple* HV Attacks would be needed. ;-)
Have purchased a microwave, will be testing soon...
That spark marks on the coils and knocked components tells me someone was searching for a short, but maybe with 5A or more? Wtf? Maybe they enraged after not finding something and destroyed what was left in the microwave oven?
My mouth fell open countless times while looking at that video
It's definitely one of the most interesting/shocking ones for me; to get me swearing openly on the last one pretty much meant that my mind was blown.
It looks like deliberate high current injection applied at several points on the board. I've worked on boards damaged by lighting and even in those cases the damage is always localized to a small area. Usually a component or trace burns away and protects the rest of the circuit from damage by becoming a fuse.
That's a strong reason why I'm thinking a microwave could be a possibility, because of all the unrelated arcing areas; as you've mentioned about your experience, with lightning damage it's usually a turned-to-ash TVS/Polyfuse at the front end and some track lifting beyond that from heat and some carbonisation of the PCB but beyond that area other than dead components the rest doesn't usually *physically* look like this board.
13:15 definitely did exactly that..
Someone it would seem is not telling the whole story - maybe a third party intervened after an initial genuine failure and swapped the board. As for how it got frazzled the microwave seems a fair hypothesis, It almost seems like some malevolent practical joke though I don't see any point to doing that.
Agreed, I don't see any viable reason to do that but then there's no shortage of strange things in this world.
its crazy 😱😱but yes i agree with the other comments looks like it was swopped as it would be obvious there would be damage on the chassis/covers. maybe it had data that needed to be destroyed and they didnt want it realy recovered 😂😂looks like someone put a probe all over the board taking out all the vital components... ive never tried putting a board in the microwave 😄😄
We're going to find out about the microwave effects.... stay tuned.
Just a guess but I think you're being pranked. Too much 'odd' damage done, possibly with the board removed at the time.
Seems like it has been to another shop before getting to me. Either we've got a board-swap or a butcher.
Could you try an old board ( unrepairable stock ) in your own microwave.
Please film the action.
Duly planned. Microwave oven already purchased... need to find some Lab coats
Paul, I once saw on someone's video while doing a voltage injection to find a short the voltage was 45 volts instead on the normal less than 1 volt. The arc indication on all of those inductors leads me to think that an unskilled tech tried to find a short and caused all of the damage.
We're going to have a shot of making our own diasater board with a brand new microwave soon.
if this was recent damage you should be able to smell it. Seems like someone had a try at repairing it, failed and put a dead board in there to declare it no-fix.
I failed to mention but good to see you thought about it, but no, there's no smell and it's something that was a little odd to me too, because as you are inferring, damage like that you should be able to smell for months.
Lose screw damage! Ive seen this before. I wouldn’t spend to much effort on it, time for a new logic board.
Oh it's unquestionably a no-fix by the end of the video, I won't even put my lifeboat recovery system on it.
Someone plugged an "USB killer" supercap on it.
Not sure even the biggest of those USB-killers could do this sort of damage, and more interestingly is that none of the damage is on the USB-C controllers ( usually we see shattered TVS diodes etc ).
Still very problematic devices those killers for sure too - in some ways really annoying because even though you get the blown diodes you never quite know what else they've taken out :(
It fell off the bed???
Looks like they put a cadaver board in that case to punk you?
Has been to another (chop) shop before me. Either they butchered it, or they swapped it and kept the good board.
What is that USBC device you have plugged in the beginning?
That's a Chipmunk; it monitors the USB voltages and data lines and gives you an idea of what's happening with red/green LEDs. It's a "simple" device but it's exceptionally handy. There's USB-C and USB-A variants.
www.cmizapper.com/products/usb-tester.html
Bizarre 😳