they certainly do not install a simple cartdrige of 100$ on that kind of turntables. I would like to know what is the best cartdrige we can put on these turntables
Each usually has a different-sounding cartridge or tonearm. One example might be that one tonearm has a "mono" cartridge and the owner of the turntable has a collection of mono (not stereo) albums that they want to hear sound their best. Another example is one cartridge might have a "warmer" more melodic sound and the other a more detailed sound.
@@Badassvidsz I mean..... it's got a 4.7 rating out of 2k reviews so.... perhaps giving your actual opinion instead of condescendingly telling me to look it up could have been more helpful lol but hey 🤷♂️ it works just fine as a 1st time buyers table. Theres another review for ya
These super expensive turntables don't sound as better as they cost compared to good turntables ,,they offer undetectable by our ears improvements the only detectable thing is the price . In some videos i've watched some price tags at a level of 150.000 USDs are we serious now ?? this is insane . and when i said good turntables i ment at a price at 4K USDs at max a price of 1600 is good enough allready .
Some manufacturers do charge for aesthetics - looking better than your average turntable - but the best turntables require rigid control of dozens, if not hundreds, of parameters (e.g. vibration at the tonearm, cartridge, platter, electro-magnetic parasitic effects, rotational speed, tracking etc.) and controlling one parameter often causes problems in the other. It costs a lot of time and investment and often custom machinery to get the tolerances down for these parameters. And of course they are audible and if you want the best in the world, it will likely cost more than something that is just 'pretty darn good'. Just like when once you hear how vinyl sounds better than CDs (in many cases) you can't UNHEAR it. Every time you hear vinyl or digital you will HEAR why one is preferred sometimes to the other. Similarly once you hear an very high-end table, you can't unhear it. You can still enjoy vinyl on $500 TTs, [I do!] but you will now always know what it can REALLY sound like.
IF YOU HAVE HIGH RESOLVING AND HIGH REVEALING SYSTEM, THEN EVERYTHING CAN BE HEARD. MOST EXPENSIVE TURNTABLES BRINGS REALISM AND DYNAMICS YOU CAN NOT HAVE WITH 4K CHEAP TUTNTABLES.....BUT, YOU CAN ALSO ENJOY LISTENING TO YOUR PREFERED ONE..... BUT EVEYRTHING CAN BE HEARD...
Better record players rotate records more consistently and accurately, making sure "high-C" notes sound like high-C notes. They isolate vibrations from the motor away from the very sensitive cartridge. They turn the platter with more authority, lending authority to the notes themselves (stronger more impressive bass, for example). There are also vibrations that feedback from the music being played (for example, if one like to play music at concert volumes) that also have to be kept away from the cartridge, or, again, you get deleterious effects in a kind of feedback loop of distorted sound.
I don’t get this, it’s job is to revolve at the required speed? I understand the difference between low end systems, and then you get to systems that cost about £500 , which sounds good to me. Then you get to the money draining high end systems, £6000 for a turntable etc etc, but do they really sound any better. It’s all a bit the emperors new clothes. Is it a scam?
The law of diminishing returns applies here, as it does everywhere else... but: yes, speed gets more and more accurate (usually), which is more complicated than you might think. The needle dragging across all the ridges in the groove tends to drag and slow the platter down - in proportion to the dynamics of the music encoded into the groove. The affects dynamics and overhang and frequency response. Some turntables then use massive platters to counter-act this. Some use very powerful motors. Some punt. There are also the effects of the motor and its vibration (ignoring electromagnetic effects for now) on the platter [ergo the cartridge) so some TTs use very small motors with almost no vibration [but see above!], some float the platter on air, some put the motors to the side and attach it to the platter with a belt. Etc. etc. All this takes lots of fine engineering and all of it is audible if you listen carefully enough. Like good beer or fine wine - it is up to you to choose the compromises and taste you prefer. Part of the enjoyment here is learning to appreciate fine engineering and just how awesome our human hearing is - and of course just how skilled these musicians are when you actually can hear the amazing amount of skill they bring to their craft.
@@AudiofederationInc , thanks for explanation. I can now appreciate why high end turntables command high prices. There is a lot of precision engineering involved and problems that I was unaware of that need to be solved.
Maybe two I’d look at twice, but the oil rig machines are all ugly, however much chrome and Perspex you use. I’ll stick to the ‘fruit box’ or a Michell.
to a normal person without ocd playing any of these decks side by side with a rega planer 3 would hear no difference. 99.9% of hifi is just a marketing scam..i've been there done that over 40 years. only a few things i have owned or heard been any good. just buy a rega planer 3 onkyo amp and some decent 500 quid speakers and enjoy the musci
Yep, Rega tables will get you most of the way there. But this is the same argument about Porsche vs Toyota, craft beer vs domestic swill, organic vs non-organic food. Both are cars. Both will get you drunk. And both will assuage hunger. They are about choices we make about how we spend our limited funds to make the kind of quality life we want, as we see fit, as best as we can.
Pieces of art...but you need a complete high-end system to appreciate these.
A tip : watch movies at flixzone. I've been using them for watching lots of of movies during the lockdown.
@Bennett Angelo Definitely, I have been watching on Flixzone} for months myself :D
You need a complete high end everything, bank account, mansion, vehicle and sex partner.
What’s with the two tone arm approach?
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A better title would have been "20 of the world's most obscenely over-engineered turntables.
they certainly do not install a simple cartdrige of 100$ on that kind of turntables. I would like to know what is the best cartdrige we can put on these turntables
Typically cartridges from about $5K to $15K and above. See Koetsu, ClearAudio, Audio Note, SoundSmith, and Lyra brands as starting points.
So many ultra-expensive ways to listen to crackles and pops.
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Never understood the second tone arm
Each usually has a different-sounding cartridge or tonearm. One example might be that one tonearm has a "mono" cartridge and the owner of the turntable has a collection of mono (not stereo) albums that they want to hear sound their best. Another example is one cartridge might have a "warmer" more melodic sound and the other a more detailed sound.
Should put your money in a crossley! That’s what the real professionals use.
Naahh buy the Audio Technica AT-120/140 LP another crappy thing too
@@Badassvidsz my at-lp120 works fantastically? Havent had not 1 issue.... lol wondering what drives that negative opinion
@@stevenpeterson985 If you check the reviews you'll see what drives this negative opinion dear Steven .
@@Badassvidsz I mean..... it's got a 4.7 rating out of 2k reviews so.... perhaps giving your actual opinion instead of condescendingly telling me to look it up could have been more helpful lol but hey 🤷♂️ it works just fine as a 1st time buyers table. Theres another review for ya
$? If you have to ask, you can’t afford it!
These super expensive turntables don't sound as better as they cost compared to good turntables ,,they offer undetectable by our ears improvements the only detectable thing is the price .
In some videos i've watched some price tags at a level of 150.000 USDs are we serious now ??
this is insane .
and when i said good turntables i ment at a price at 4K USDs at max
a price of 1600 is good enough allready .
Some manufacturers do charge for aesthetics - looking better than your average turntable - but the best turntables require rigid control of dozens, if not hundreds, of parameters (e.g. vibration at the tonearm, cartridge, platter, electro-magnetic parasitic effects, rotational speed, tracking etc.) and controlling one parameter often causes problems in the other. It costs a lot of time and investment and often custom machinery to get the tolerances down for these parameters. And of course they are audible and if you want the best in the world, it will likely cost more than something that is just 'pretty darn good'. Just like when once you hear how vinyl sounds better than CDs (in many cases) you can't UNHEAR it. Every time you hear vinyl or digital you will HEAR why one is preferred sometimes to the other. Similarly once you hear an very high-end table, you can't unhear it. You can still enjoy vinyl on $500 TTs, [I do!] but you will now always know what it can REALLY sound like.
IF YOU HAVE HIGH RESOLVING AND HIGH REVEALING SYSTEM, THEN EVERYTHING CAN BE HEARD. MOST EXPENSIVE TURNTABLES BRINGS REALISM AND DYNAMICS YOU CAN NOT HAVE WITH 4K CHEAP TUTNTABLES.....BUT, YOU CAN ALSO ENJOY LISTENING TO YOUR PREFERED ONE..... BUT EVEYRTHING CAN BE HEARD...
Who ever pays €200.000 for a record player?? It just plays a record, that's it!
Better record players rotate records more consistently and accurately, making sure "high-C" notes sound like high-C notes. They isolate vibrations from the motor away from the very sensitive cartridge. They turn the platter with more authority, lending authority to the notes themselves (stronger more impressive bass, for example). There are also vibrations that feedback from the music being played (for example, if one like to play music at concert volumes) that also have to be kept away from the cartridge, or, again, you get deleterious effects in a kind of feedback loop of distorted sound.
I don’t get this, it’s job is to revolve at the required speed? I understand the difference between low end systems, and then you get to systems that cost about £500 , which sounds good to me. Then you get to the money draining high end systems, £6000 for a turntable etc etc, but do they really sound any better. It’s all a bit the emperors new clothes. Is it a scam?
The law of diminishing returns applies here, as it does everywhere else... but: yes, speed gets more and more accurate (usually), which is more complicated than you might think. The needle dragging across all the ridges in the groove tends to drag and slow the platter down - in proportion to the dynamics of the music encoded into the groove. The affects dynamics and overhang and frequency response. Some turntables then use massive platters to counter-act this. Some use very powerful motors. Some punt. There are also the effects of the motor and its vibration (ignoring electromagnetic effects for now) on the platter [ergo the cartridge) so some TTs use very small motors with almost no vibration [but see above!], some float the platter on air, some put the motors to the side and attach it to the platter with a belt. Etc. etc. All this takes lots of fine engineering and all of it is audible if you listen carefully enough. Like good beer or fine wine - it is up to you to choose the compromises and taste you prefer. Part of the enjoyment here is learning to appreciate fine engineering and just how awesome our human hearing is - and of course just how skilled these musicians are when you actually can hear the amazing amount of skill they bring to their craft.
@@AudiofederationInc , thanks for explanation. I can now appreciate why high end turntables command high prices. There is a lot of precision engineering involved and problems that I was unaware of that need to be solved.
Yes they do sound better
Some of these are probably decent, but don't work or perform any better, than a technics direct drive.
None of them are beautiful, really
Maybe two I’d look at twice, but the oil rig machines are all ugly, however much chrome and Perspex you use. I’ll stick to the ‘fruit box’ or a Michell.
The worlds most ridiculous and throw your money away turntables
Look like crap to me🤣
to a normal person without ocd playing any of these decks side by side with a rega planer 3 would hear no difference.
99.9% of hifi is just a marketing scam..i've been there done that over 40 years. only a few things i have owned or heard been any good.
just buy a rega planer 3 onkyo amp and some decent 500 quid speakers and enjoy the musci
Yep, Rega tables will get you most of the way there. But this is the same argument about Porsche vs Toyota, craft beer vs domestic swill, organic vs non-organic food. Both are cars. Both will get you drunk. And both will assuage hunger. They are about choices we make about how we spend our limited funds to make the kind of quality life we want, as we see fit, as best as we can.
Ok, they must sound amazing, but they're ugly as hell. From a distance I'd say they're some kind of washing machines.