Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
We switched to Tesla in 2022 and after 75,000 km and 4 seasons driving (we’re in a cold climate) I can confirm we’re never going back to gas or diesel.
When there's a power outage, gas pumps also won't work. It all comes down to the EV charging infrastructure. I live in China, and everything that's said in this program is true. Every single Didi (Chinese equivalent of Uber) is electric. When I first arrived here back in 2015, all the Taxis were VWs. Not so today.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
this will not solve the problem of faking it till you make it :)) ordering production all over china with beijing money to boost the numbers will not help in the long run.
Wages in China are not so low anymore! The only reason the ev’s are cheaper is the high automated factory’s and also lithium is priced cheaper in China.
Elon Musk loves China not because they have low wages but because it has the most efficient workers. For low wages, Elon would have chosen India, Vietnam or Malaysia for its gigafactories.
@@KP-xi4bjDW intends to send incorrect information. In fact, the Chinese government stopped all subsidies last year but only kept tax cut for car buyers.
ev is new and there is room for improvement. Unlike combustion engines already been around for almost 100 years which has little room for improvement....
DW is a bit late in finding out the Chinese EVs are at the moment ahead. EU has already admitted the defeat by announcing an investigation into the Chinese EV subsidies. But the inexpensive EVs are good for both the customers and the environment. Hope EU doesn’t try to kill free trade.
It has nothing to do with "being ahead". Chinese EV import are only taxed at 10% by Europe, while China taxes European imports at 25%. China also owns the lithium refining and China/Korea/Japan own the battery production chain. EV make no sense for Europe since we don't own any of the resources, EV for Europe is like shooting yourself in the foot. The US also blocks European truck imports with the "chicken tax". Germany also now has expensive energy because Ukraine and the US blew up the Nord stream pipeline. All of this is because European politicians fail to protect Europe, they still live in this lala-land where they think the US and China are allies, Europe is a sheep among wolves. The US economy is powering ahead, while the living standards in Europe are falling drastically.
3:45 Do you honestly think comparing the price of a BMW 1 Series vs the significantly larger i4 is an accurate representation of the price difference between ICE and EV cars?
China giving consumers incentives to buy EV is not an uncommon practice among countries. And even that has ended in China. German manufacturers are being slow and not adapting. Subsidies/incentives to consumers had been available to ALL manufacturers including foreign ones like Tesla, which incidentally has done very well for itselt there.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
@@strigoiu13 , People like you are the sole major reason why German car industry is falling behind Tesla and BYD in EV. One would reckon that you would say it is a lie that China has its own space station, and soon will be the only one in the world, when the so-called ISS expires.
There are no longer financial incentives or subsidies in China for EVs, but there are still some policy incentives. E.g., it is exponentially easier to get a license plate in Beijing if you get an EV compared to an ICE car… That’s why 50% of drivers in Beijing have an EV…
Once upon a time there were phone operators, elevator operators, and even flight engineers. We actually have the ability to make so much more, but in some ways our economic system is no longer the best method to support it (does an advancement in technology result in lower cost and more production, or higher profits and less demand?).
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
@@alxvideos6634 You'rr asking a non-sequitur question. Combustion powered vehicles COULD last another 100 years if we chose to make them. We're making a deliberate decision for social reasons to limit them to about half that. That's entirely irrelevant to profits. EVs of any kind don't break the rules of economics. They aren't increasing profits with fewer customers. If anything given the high competition, the profit margins are more razor thin than with comparative combustion powered vehicles and require greater demand as a result. Profit is a function of cost over productivity in comparison to demand. That is, the more people who want your product, compared with how much of your product you can make for the least amount possible. High demand allows for price stability. Lowering costs means more of your price you get to keep, and that's profit. It isn't specific to any one product. It's just how the system works generally.
You can't just look at the emissions as only part of the manufacturing process. What is really the issue are the toxic exhaust gasses emitted while burning the fuels right inside the cities where we live, sleep, breathe and raise our children. This is just the local concentrated problem... but oil extraction and refining is the global crisis. - One pumpjack consume 9800 MWh/month of electricity. There are around 1.1 million active pumpjacks worldwide (in 2018). - Oil Refineries consume 15-20% of annual electricity consumption for the whole continent (just in the US). - Offshore platforms burn 20-30 tons of diesel per day for their generators. The US alone has 610 active offshore platforms. - Thousands of kilometers of pipelines. Each section with a pump consuming 50-250 kW and working 24/7. - Tankers, each of them burning 200-250 tons of fuel oil per day. 2,210 are currently active tankers. - Land transport with semi trucks - ~ 40 liters of diesel / 100 km. - Gas stations with all their pumps and energy consumption. ... and we haven't touched on shale gas and coal mining yet. ... nor have we paid attention to oil spills, vented gas, pollution of rivers and groundwater, deforestation and wars for resources. - An average ICE vehicle is responsible for 260-350 g.CO2/km + NOx, SOx, CO and other harmful fine particulates right in the cities where we live. - Efficiency to the wheels - 18-25% (older vehicle even less) - While an EV is responsible for 32-48 g.CO2/km (at the current heavy coal energy mix)... Keep in mind that there are NO emissions during it's operation. NO exhaust gasses where people live - Efficiency 80-90% Manufacturing of an ICE vehicle releases 5200 to 6900 kg.СО2, while an EV (+battery) releases around 5600 to 8800 kg.СО2. Emissions are equalized after less than 10,000 km. After 250,000 km the difference in emissions is at least 10 times more for the ICE. The longer you use an IC vehicle the more petrol will be extracted and refined, more political conflicts and wars will happen, more land will be cleared for pumping, more oil spills will fill the oceans, more gas will escape the pipelines... and more fuel will be burned. - 7-8 million people die worldwide due to air pollution. - The petrol industry generates $10 Billion in profits per DAY and receives $11 Million in subsidies per MINUTE globally.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
I would highly recommend anyone interested in the clean energy transition to watch a Tony Seba keynote. The clean revolution will be over by 2030. It will happen faster than most people realize.
in China, the pure ev still isn't the main stream, the plug in hybrid that offers around 100km pure ev range is the most family wanted, people use that 100km to cover working day travel, then they use gasoline to cover the travel during weekend. But most family find out that they only fill up their fuel tank once a month even two months, because the cross-city travel it's not as much as expected.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
It is very true that you described above. I forsee the same way for other when puchease the vehicle. China EV is big competition to European and Japan motor vehicles industry. European would force China vehicle to compliance to Europe standard (more than now) in order to contain China technology further exporting to others parts of the world. Do you think that European car could compete with China now? The answers is obviously not due to highlight technology and reasonable quality and very good prices. European would ban certain China car in Europe for BS reasons and team up with US for big corporation benefits. This has been going now in south east Asian countries and China for products which European countries facing prices competition. Now wanted to implement so called E. S. G. Policies in each of exporting company. E = ENVIRONMENT {CO2}, S = SOCIAL (work union), G = Governance ( good practice). It looks good and sounds nice. I reality every cost monies and unwanted bureaucratic (time waste) from export country to import country. Products costing jack up (inflation). In history western culture hardly play fair games when encounter Asia and africa. White supremacy engraved in thier brains. Today China facing unnecessary challenges trade block, technology bans, high import tax for certain nation and Etc. China has try so hard to shown to the world that they could contributing to real world with tangible assets to build basic infrastructures for developing countries and under developing, for all human kind. The China was not given credibility by the world organisation bodies or provide enhancement for good practice humans kind. China wanted to sharing experiences which they had be given by the western (China never complains).
@@masterseries4004 It may come as a surprise to you that China's vehicle emission standards are now stricter than Euro 6. The so-called European standards may not be an issue.
I am looking at a PHEV for exactly that reason. What PHEV have 100 km range? I was looking at the Octavia IV. But it only has 60km range. 100 would be perfect.
In China Automotive Industry, if you want cheap EV car, you may chose BYD. If you prefer luxury EV car and swap battery technology, you may chose NIO. These 2 automotive companies cover all the different group of people, no matter whether you're living at landed house or apartment. Anyway, China Market is the key of success. China now has started producing a Sodium Battery which is much much cheaper and less dangerous than Lithium Battery. If you think china car now is very cheap, later you will see china car is much cheaper than now when they are using Sodium Battery on their manufactured car.
China brand now is creating its own value and trust among people. People is now accepting China brand, resulting in a huge decrease of demand from German and Japan Automotive Brand which had been a market leader before. Due to a slow response of west companies, they unable to compete with China. Tesla demand now is decreasing while China demand is increasing as China innovation is super fast. Slowly we will see Tesla like Nokia that has no innovation.
if u look up the german cars u find that they are overdated. It's nice too see bmw 7 or S class but compare it to ZEEKR or some chinese cars. They look diffrent, modren. German cars are well made but for 3-4 years, after this time everything is starting to break down. I love german cars but if u have 8 years old audi q7 and u have to change timming belt or chain, turbo, EGR's you can easily spend 15k or doubled in delaershpi Euro for this. VW's are no longer reliability- i've got 2018 passat- rust on feneder (original paint), suspension is made of cardboard, 7speed DSG has lag when u start, bad sound insolation (tire noise, wind noise). It is last time i have Vag. The time i will consider EV i'll buy TESLA or Chinese car brand beacuse they have to try making best products to build the brand. I'm car enthusiast and i have to admit that if u look for reliable car just buy JAPAN (combustion) not best in sound insolation, seat position but probably never brake down if it;s hybird.
When people talk about how the Chinese government funds the EV or tech industries, they solely refer to the public dollars that go to Chinese companies while keeping silent about the subsidy for Tesla. Indeed, the Shanghai government subsidizes Tesla with $85 million and low-priced lands. The beneficial policy was so progressive that many Chinese domestic manufacturers were jealous. Of course, the Shanghai grant is not without conditions- Tesla needs to satisfy its commitment to production capacity and employment to local government. Remember, the construction of Tesla's Giga Shanghai started in January 2019 and began to operate only one year later, which secured 500,000 EV production in 2020. It is a win-win solution: Tesla guaranteed its ambitious production capacity while Shanghai prompted the upgrading of EVs. More companies and technologies would have enjoyed these opportunities without the trade war.
Yes, that is why these news are biased, as they attribute the success of China‘s EV industry merely to government investment. Indeed, many countries are doing the same thing.@@thomasantn
@@ZakiHaider-y9o It's all over the Internet bro. Ma spoke out against Poo-Bear and got penalized. Xi is fleecing ALL of China's billionaires. Do you even read the news??
Germany losing the electric car race means cheap cars for the consumers. VW is no more what it was meant to be “ the people’s car “ but now its all about profit and big money. I won’t be surprised if I see an electric Chinese car for 15,000 euros or 10,000 euros. Its somehow a big win for the buyers.
I don't agree, I have a 2015 VW Golf Mk7 and it's been an excellent car. VW in it's prime. Now, not so much with dieselgate and the reluctance to get EV's mainstream - but they still know how to make a good car.
@@joebloggs6131 not talking about the quality. And recent cars made have low standard quality compared to the old ones. But one thing which keeps increasing is the price. So we pay more for less quality
@@chefadudennis Mine was $25K and so far it's lasted 8 years; I think the VW Golf is the "people's car" and they still make them, buy it pre-owned if you want to get a really well priced car. If you want brand new with all the bells and whistles, well you pay for it; it's that simple.
The primary advantages of electric cars are the better performance and price/performance ratio as well as the lower service and running costs. From a buyer's perspective, there are no rational arguments against these advantages.The environmental aspect comes as a nice side effect still on top. Economic interests of legacy car makers and the loss of low-skilled jobs will not stop an advantageous mobility transition.
Besides infrastructure, you have to have a strong enough grid to support the high-power charging. Then you also have to have wind/solar/nuclear/water to generate electricity for the grid. So it's not a solo solution, it's an ecosystem.@@Tomharry910
Car is not just above transportation, it is about environment, carbon emissions, AI, integrated into lifestyle, technology features, software, affordable in China, 5g etc... That would explain why Motorola failed when it sees mobile phone is a little bit more than calling and answering.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
Since the massive adoption of EV cars in Chinese cities, they have practically all blue sky days for most of the year. Beijing still has some smog days but mostly caused by sand storm from Gobi Desert. So yes, EV car is the future.
@@supadupahilton6848 When people have nothing to say other than throwing label at you, that show they actually agree with you. So they throw labels at you to distract. LOL 😁🤣
@@senpai8435 The sudden increase of millions of gas cars contribute mainly to the smog problem. Factories are actually quite strict in their CO2 admission for the last 10 or 15 years. In addition, many factories, such as steel mills, are moved out of the suburbs of the cities.
As Jay Leno once said "electric cars will save classic muscle cars" & sports cars. Every era offers some amazing cars, and people will push tech to the limit no matter if it runs on batteries, orange juice or steam power. this is the most interesting time in auto industry since the supercar wars began. It's great to watch to see what they come up with next.
EU is behind on new technologies, internet, AI, EV, autonomous cars. No google, no Baidoo, no Apple, no Alibaba, no Microsoft, no Amazon, no Ebay, no Meta. As a European working in technology the lack of tech giants is staggering and worrying
EU is not a country. If you have a killer app, you will face a lot more red tapes from all EU members. Start ups will either be acquired by US counterparts or crushed by US competition before they mature. China has GFW, which help China's tech companies survive and thrive.
I've been a faithful BMW driver for more than a decade. Had them all, 3er, 5er, 7er, X5 diesel and gasoline. The reliability is just disgusting. 7er was a disaster and ultimately sold for pennies. Spare parts prices for all models are over the roof. Last month I got rid of my last BMW, the 5er, and ordered a chinese-made BYD Tang EV, all-electric. Bye bye beemers. As for my wife's car, a dated Audi Q5, we're still deciding between a modern Q5 (we both still love the model) and a chinese-made hybrid Voyah Free, which looks, feels and drives like a charm. German automakers have missed the EV train and are in deep trouble.
China will grab every Market in future. Their local Market is very big and competitive. If any company can perform well locally, it will do well in foreign smaller markets too.
Not necessarily. There is a big difference culturally, and with taxes / incentives. Some countries lack EV chargers. Many Chinese cars are too expensive for Southern and Eastern EU countries etc.
@@williamdrijver4141 obviously China will not occupy markets overnight. But they are very competitive in the local market that is a great advantage to expand securely.
There are a few issues with this video. First. you need to compare number of charging stations per capita, not total. Also when comparing the price of German made cars vs Chinese you don't only compare expensive cars from BMW. You need to add more pedestrian cars from VW. Third, when saying that cars are too expensive in Latin America you need to compare the price of the BYD cars with the cars that are already available in the region. Saying that people need to take loans to buy a car is normal, everyone does that today.
Good point. I did notice all of these issues. I think the biggest point that was neglected in this video was the cost of not moving away from oil to BEV. The true cost of an ICE vehicle is MUCH higher than the price you pay the dealer. It's even higher than the high maintenance expense, and higher than the cost of continually refueling. The true cost to society is likely more than double the so called total cost of ownership. And this true cost goes up every day and every year. It includes at least three major unpaid expenses: 1) Health related costs from the air pollution. 2) Health costs and cleanup costs from all the spills and leaking and leaching and other terrestrial and marine pollution. 3) The high cost of climate change. And that's not counting the economic impact of oil price volatility and frequent bouts of price gouging. By contrast, the cost to society of EVs will go down over time, as battery recycling reduces the amount of mining per vehicle, and the transition to renewable energy for the grid greatly reduces the environmental toll per mile driven in an EV.
per capita is important but not that much, most important is access to those facilities, as 80% of population in China lives in cities, so majority of the cities and major highways are already covered..everything is planned here, so the number of charging facilities are increasing with the increase of of EVs, and this is i believe so quick..this is happening quickly in last two years, and 2024 believe to more faster..
People no longer care much about the “European legacy quality” since most Chinese brands are now matching them in most cases. And yes brand used to matter but nowadays people buy what they can afford and Chinese cars are the way to go. Even in South Africa people are buying Chinese cars (Haval/Omega) over Europeans, and even me a BMW fan I am also looking at Chinese cars. Funny how things have changed globally.
My parents had Fords in the seventies and eighties. Until this year I only ever owned Japanese brand cars. But this year I bought a model Y and a Bolt. The experience is so much better, and the long term costs are better. I have seen the writing on the walls. And I live in rural Illinois, where the "charging infrastructure is bad", except....I charge at home and in rural areas lots of people have driveways and garages to charge at
@@fancyIOP I wasn't brand loyal. When I am in the market for a vehicle, I wanted a reliable, efficient vehicle. That used to mean looking at Toyota and Honda. Used to.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
China's EV is expensive in Europe just because of the traiff imposed upon. A BYD 4.7 meter midsize hybrid running 1000KM fully charged & full tank just cost US$20,0000 in China. The Govt only gives $500 incentives to the consumer for buying EV.
1 out of 3 jobs in Germany depend on the car industry. If the Americans and Chinese are allowed to take over Germany's car industry (and they've already done that with the tech sector, solar panels, military, LNG energy, etc), Germany would become a 3rd world country.
The reason we want to shift from ICE cars to EVs is because an EV sedan consumes at worst 2 liters equivalent of gas / 100km while an ICE car consumes at best 4 liters / 100km. There is no way around that, electric engines are 3 x more efficient than internal combustion engines. And this on top of all their other advantages (instant torque, better recycling, renewable power source, etc). So if you add to that new battery technology that will allow you to recharge an EV in 10 minutes then it is easy to see that ICE cars will be soon dead as a Dodo.
Don't care about the environment Don't care about attachment issues Don't care about the origin of the makers GAS PRICES is the only reason I went electric
@@exigoalin3097exactly, unlike ICE cars, I can create my own energy to charge my EV. This also means I can charge it at home, so for every day use I don’t have to stop anywhere to recharge.
Fun fact : BYD design lead by German. Wolfgang_Egger, BYD lead designer In 2017, Egger became design director for BYD. The Chinese automaker appointed him to create their design identity, starting with the hybrid model BYD Song Max. BYD Recruits Ferrari & Mercedes Designers as Head of Exterior & Interior Design. Michele Jauch-Paganetti , JuanMa López. ...
What they do not mention is that transportation makes up 16% of total greenhouse gases. Cars only make up 2.5% of the overall CO2 emissions. I have a Tesla but it not for environmental reasons, its for the advanced technology in the Tesla and low maintenance. After I put 100K miles on my car, I only had to replace tires. I still have the original breaks.
The "advanced technology in the Tesla" is exactly why I'll never buy one of those, I don't sell my soul for loans to buy a phone with tires, I just need a car
That is not true. Transportation does make up about 20%, but cars are responsible for half of that, as they say in the video, so about 10% of overall emissions. And in advanced countries like the US the share of transportation is even higher, about 30%
I think the greenies bought their EVs years ago. To expand the market share, they need to convince people it makes economic sense. And it will become more apparent over time as battery prices come down while gas car production costs will keep going up.
Same here. We went from 2 gas cars and PHEV to two EVs and a PHEV. Our gas bill has gone down literally by a factor of 10! I really want to get rid of the PHEV and get another EV. I'm working on that!
We just bought two EVs this year as our old cars were getting quite old. I had no trouble traveling from Illinois to Texas. I drive to the middle of Missouri frequently with no trouble. Almost all my charging is at home. It really is night and day.
It's absolutely incredible! This video is about battery electric cars... and in this industry, there is one "gorilla in the room", world leader Tesla... incidentally also the manufacturer of the most sold vehicle model in the world - no matter the motorisation - the Tesla Model Y... incidentally again also manufactured in Germany. And, the name "Tesla" was not mentioned ONCE in the video... an interviewee quickly uttered the name "Elon Musk", but that's all! So, how can you expect the German car industry to survive, when there is so much denial that the ONE company who made the transition happen, and who leads the industry by miles, is not mentioned once by a German television channel's study on the matter? As a European, I wish the German car industry to survive... but the decisions and declarations I hear from the Board of Volkswagen (who fired Herbert Diess, the only German automotive executive with a clear vision of what is happening, and the guts to make the imperative changes...), from the CEO of BMW, or its previous CTO (Klaus Fröhlich), or the communication from Daimler Benz... are all dismal! The German car industry IS COMMITTING corporate suicide! The light at the end of the tunnel is that Tesla is already manufacturing in Germany, BYD and other Chinese companies will undoubtedly also build manufacturing facilities in Europe in general, and Germany in particular (perhaps... if Germany makes new manufacturing ventures a little less complicated...). So, workers losing their jobs at VW Group, BMW, Daimler-Benz, will find a new job opportunity... well... some of them!
China saw the future and invested in it. They are way ahead of European countries really. China pretty much owns the battery manufacturing market. They are going to do what Japan did in the 1970’s and Korea did in the 2000’s . The U.K. used to make loads of cars and people rubbished Japanese cars and later Korean cars… VW is making very expensive cars with terrible software, cheaping out on quality and reliability and then trying to charge a premium for it. It seems a bit ironic that France is starting to make affordable EV’s. Yet here comes 20% tariffs. The EU won’t buy cars made in the U.K. due to 20% tariffs and the U.K. will probably buy loads of cars made in china as we will probably reciprocate.
Legacy brands kept delaying investment until they could get a better idea of what the electric market would look like. Turns out this was a costly mistake. Now they are in a scale battle with Tesla and BYD they thought they would easily win. Their first dedicated electric models are overpriced and featureless. They are five years behind...
But this needs to be gentle. Because Germany has a huge legacy automobile supply chain consisting of hundreds of small business units, etc. They shouldn't become a victim of this shift.
I don't understand why car makers are now making smart phones with tires, I just need a car to get me from point A to point B, I don't need Netflix in it
New technology transforms old cars to another level. That's, a car can be used as entertainment center, quiet temporary office , a napping place without engine on,etc.
"I need a phone to talk to people. Not to browse the net. Not to listen to music. Not to buy stuff online." See how that view is now so outdated. Same goes with cars. It is no longer just to get from point A to point B.
EV cars will rise no matter what the challenges. Simply because people will realize that driving EV is much cheaper. For now, people only count the price of the car. After years, people will understand, they can safe the money that they used for gasoline, and that's a lot
I'm not really convinced that current BEVs are the final solution for personal transport. You need to strip mine huge amounts of rare earths, build batteries, the charging infra etc. They're not really safe either, current batteries at least. I personally think we're rushing into the EVs with half-as* solutions because of the climate panic. We should take our time, review our options and mature whatever technology we decide to go for.. and THEN start building huge manufacturing capability.
It’s not cheaper anymore now that states and other countries are implementing higher registration yearly fees. Basically, the trade-off is you’re not paying gas but now paying the lump sum every year. Texas is one of them along with California. Electric was good for a short time, but you’re not really saving anything now. They even took away incentives in some places. To think that you’re not going to pay any gas sales taxes, it’s quite gullible. The government is going on a wave to mandate that across-the-board. You don’t have to believe me, but when that day comes, you’ll know what I’m talking about. People forget to factor in those registration fees until it’s too late that you bought the car.
In Western Countries the Evs are considered luxury cars and very expensive, only a few can afford to buy, but in China they make affordable Evs that most people can purchase! Luxury German cars are expensive, they make Evs that are even more expensive than their regular cars, people are looking for cheap EVs to save on gas!
@@Tabula_Rasa1 We're sorry but there was a time they had huge profits during the investments in china, they could think how to built good ev's and affordable . Too greedy
I don’t know as a common man how would I buy expensive EU made EV cars in EU itself.I will definitely buy Chinese EV if they are assembled in EU and cheaper , better connectivity and robust software ✌️
That worker at the start made a terrible argument: electric cars are easier to make with fewer components, so that will mean fewer jobs. Does she really expect a car company to be sold on the idea of keeping something complex and unreliable in order to keep jobs alive? That's just going to sell the idea of electric cars to their bosses more. If I were a heartless CEO on the fence about electric cars, that would have pushed me more in their favour.
When I buy a Tesla Model Y in California, I get $7500 tax credit plus $5500 from state as rebate. Are these incentives or subsidies according to the truth telling DW?
9:06 Please tell the lady that you don't necessarily need a public charging station in a small village. Simply plug your car into the home socket in the garage and drive off the next morning with a full charge, that's it 🤗
Not sure where you’re from, but in Europe most people don’t have their own garages especially if live in an apartment and parking is usually on street. That is why charging at home is often not an option unless you happen to find parking right in front of your house and run a long cable down to your car.
@@mobaumeister2732 I live (50% of the time) in (very) rural France, and EVERYBODY around here own their house and have a garage or at least a courtyard for parking the car, no matter how modest. It is ZERO problem to have a home charger, and electricity is comparatively very cheap to recharge off-hour (€0.1069/kWh). My little village (900 people) installed 2 public chargers... good intension from the municipality... but no one use them. Friends who live in apartment buildings and who own EVs, which "sleep on the street" tell me it is actually not a problem, just one invented by people with no actual experience. They drive little during the week, using only a fraction of the battery charge, and spending 20-30 mn once a week at a fast charger is more than enough.
German automakers couldn't compete against Japanese makers' HEV, so they cheated with "clean diesel", then "changed the rule politically" that we must shift to BEV with the excuse of climate change, and ending up raising Chinese makers. Not only automobiles, but also the entire life cycle of any products should be as sustainable as possible. Shifting the pollution by greenhouse gas emissions to the environmental destruction and soil pollution by lithium and rare earth mining in certain areas is not necessarily justified. I don't want to buy or ride a BEV especially a Chinese one even if it's cheap because I want to survive. Moving heavy batteries consumes more energy and is inefficient. Battery technology is still evolving. It's not practical for me unless it has much higher energy density, lightweight, preferably portable, and less deteriorating. Thus (P)HEV is currently the best choice for me.
This is a gross misrepresentation. There is no collapse of the industry. There is some consolidation. They have hundreds of companies, and so not all of them will survive. There are two dozen Chinese EV makers that are going strong and in position now to export EVs around the world. It is very likely that at least three of these will be among the top 20 global automakers within the next decade.
That's why their Western audience never had the true information about their biggest competitor, and then made the wrong policy regarding the competition.
You are having obsolete information, it evolved and refined to a greatest technology with assistance world best humans resource ( western expertise). For china government do not rejects anything that would elevating technology they required and provide huge finances assistance to boosting new tech and R & D.
And by the way, in case you hadn't noticed, it's actually GM, Ford and Volkswagen that are having serious difficulties with their attempts to develop good, competitive EVs. Tesla has been waiting ten years for Detroit to "catch up" and still Tesla owns more than half of the US EV market. The Chinese automakers are about to make it almost impossible for any of the legacy automakers to export any cars anywhere, with the possible exception of a few German and Japanese cars selling in the US and Canada. And this will be done by selling good, cheap EVs.
According to Munro, Elon just announced the introduction of 48v system in the new Cybertruck, it reduce the size of the wire harness by 75%! If the industry follows, those wire harnesses manufacturer in Germany will probably go bust.
Got to give credit where credit is due If it wasn't for China eating their lunch on EVs, these automakers would happily stick to the ICE cars These automakers deserved this, now it's up to them to play catch up But I doubt China will loosen its grip on the EV supply chain
Please do not say the China EVs have lower price are because subsidies. The large market size and the well ready parts supply chains, raw materials are all ready within China and nearby with low logistics cost are all factors for lower EV selling. Futher, the tough market competition also drive the price lower in China
i leave in indonesia for me german cars are great either chinese cars or even korean and japanese cars brands. the problem in german cars brand in my country is to confident on putting high prices on their products. i knew that german cars brand are premium and they had a high prices but the volkswagen that should be a mass brand to competition with toyota, hyundai and wuling in indonesia they put very high prices and in indonesia volkswagen are known to be premium brands. if the german wanna win the EV market start to make low cost EV prices like what korean and chinese brand did in indonesia, right now only 2 auto brands in indonesia that has started make an EV is hyundai and wuling and they give a very low cost prices what the world want is cheap EV not a high premium EV
The Chinese actually do things that get people into electric cars which can benefit the future. The Europeans and Americans do things to make the most money out of people. In the end, the Chinese will therefore win. European electric cars are inefficient, overpriced, sparse on features and poorly built unlike the cars that came before them from the European carmakers. World order needs to shift and I'm glad. Europe and America dictates our lives too much. China allows us to have nice things. Most can't afford a European electric car but that can afford a Chinese one. Why would they want to block people from owning an EV? Just because they're losing money and can't compete? They're basically saying they don't care about the fact that it's better for the environment but rather that they're losing money to the Chinese.
Chinese car companies will do well in Europe because they will be priced for most people to be able to buy. Greed runs the European car industry and now they will pay the price for over charging the public for years . That is if we are given the chance to buy them or if the robbing car companies are protected by our governments ?
That's nonsense. Just look at the profits and stock valuation of European car companies. If they overcharged as much as you are implying they would be sky high, compared to other businesses.They're not. It's flawed reasoning.
@@Elusive_Chicken If that is the case , why are car sales down so much all over Europe and why are European car makers so worried if they have a product so good and at the price people can afford ? Not so long ago we were told that diesel cars were the future by our European car makers and look how that turned out !!
@@speculawyer Spoken like a true EU protectionist . What about many of the cars which are assembled in Europe with parts made in China ? Or European car makers who have plants in China ? They can't have it both ways.
@@speculawyer Environmental standards so low? China is producing more green energy than entire Europe combined. Yes, they are still building coal plant, but dwarfed compared to Nuclear, winds, hydro & Solar. Germany just turned the coal plant back online, but decided to shut down its nuclear plant.
I get that people don't want to lose their jobs, but I'm sure there were people complaining about losing their horse-related jobs when the automobile first came around. And what happened? They did lose their jobs... and then they found new jobs. Complacency and inertia are no reason to stop progress for a cleaner, quieter (and faster) future.
Part of the French car industry has started to convert ICE cars to EVs at under €5000 per car and if money is invested into modifying repair garages to carry out these conversions that will speed up the processes and increase their revinue by puting in charging stations.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
On March 2, a report released by the Australian think tank the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) shows that in 44 areas involving key technologies such as defense, space, artificial intelligence, and robots, China is clearly in a leading position in 37 areas.
Hey, I’d be more than happy to buy a VW ID2all or a Citroen ec3, both targeted to start below €25k, inclusive of taxes and fees, which would translate to about $25k. More than the Chinese know how to make more affordable EVs, but the brands choose to not make them available in the US. Just like Ford killing off all sedans in the US, or VW vowing to pull the Golf out of the US. There’s still demand, but they want to push buyers towards higher-margin SUVs and light trucks. Even brands that still offer more affordable models (and good ones like Corolla, Civic, Impreza, 3) have few of those on the lot, but many, many more CR-Vs, RAV4s, Foresters, CX-5s & CX-50s. And shut it with the racist nonsense.
How come Tesla wants to fight them? Who wrothe this script? Tesla has open sourced their patents and their own mission is to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy.
Here are some thoughts to throw in: 1. Resonant inductive charging in parking lots and embedded in major thoroughfares - If you park and your car just starts charging because it wirelessly charges like a modern cell phone, except with a bigger gap because you are using advanced resonant charging, that hugely increases the convenience factor of EVs. Start adding this into bus stops, places cabs stop, major thoroughfares, etc, and you start getting into vehicles that can be in perpetual use without having to stop to be plugged in to charge. Especially with the major thoroughfares, such as the Autobahn, getting this tech embedded in the roadway, you can have smaller, cheaper, lighter batteries in EVs. Smaller and lighter batteries require less energy to push around and in the USA during the Obama administration, this tech was demonstrated with an efficiency of 86%. So totally worth while from an efficiency perspective as well. 2. Gas pumps also do not work in a power outage. However if you have a good charging scheme in place for your EV, your personal EV should be ready to go with 80% charge (or more if say you use LFP batteries) every morning while your ICE car maybe be low on fuel because you only go to the gas station when the tank is low. Plus, say there is a power outage in the middle of the night, if you have a 10-hour window to charge and you get hit with a 'long' 1-hour power outage, you car will still have plenty of time to get to that 80% charge level typical of EV charging for daily grinder use. If something crazy happens and you can't charge at all at night, most people only drive so far in a day, so maybe instead of 80% charge in the morning, you have 60% charge. If you are really worried about charge level, if somehow power is out at home, it is bound to be on at work. I mean power outages are generally local, not everywhere. If anything, a good EV will provide backup power to your home during a power outage as it has lots of capacity that can easily be used for such things with capacity to spare, so actually a plus as most ICE powered vehicles cannot be used as a real backup power source, especially not efficiently. (A Prius can actually be efficient at this.) 3. German EVs are missing other key features - Like range. Not too great with German EVs. Germany really needs to invest more on battery tech in general. People don't trust the longevity of the battery packs in German cars and some of this comes down to not having the most sophisticated battery management as Tesla for example has really advanced battery management to squeeze the most out of those batteries in every way a car needs. EVs need to be able to produce backup power in a power outage, so actually be a plus to have around in a power outage. Even if you have a solar and battery home, an additional battery in your EV can help. German EVs need some better performance like the Teslas usually have great performance pushing you back into your seat. 4. German EVs miss important vehicle types other auto makers have failed to address - Like a pickup truck. While not the biggest thing in Europe, pickup trucks are everywhere in places like the USA and nobody has really captured this market in terms of EVs and plugin hybrids. What is really needed is a plug-in hybrid truck with capabilities like acting as a generator and air compressor; something with good built-in utility and multi-purposing of things. A big thing in the USA market totally missed by Tesla is truck beds generally conform to standard specs so anybody can mount their own thing in the back of the truck in place of the truck bed. Maybe European makers can amend this standard for power and air hookups. A plugin hybrid approach would also be awesome for camper vans and RVs where the engine and traction batteries are dual purposed as a generator and battery storage to power the living quarters and maybe even tie into solar panels on the vehicle for off grid camping. Plus, the NEMA 14-50 outlet is a high powered outlet common at RV parks in the USA and is often used for EV chargers in the USA. So you get into one plug to do both charging and running the living quarters. Nobody has tapped into these power outlets with their EV design that are everywhere in the USA at RV camping spots and such, but if you do, that is a whole pile of pre-existing "charging stations" just waiting for someone to get smart and tap into it. Tesla is finally getting into the trucking business. It turns out semi-trucks usually drive fixed routes with the drivers required to take rest breaks at regular intervals, so it is easy enough to plan infrastructure around this. You just need a good enough EV truck and the rest falls into place easily enough. Tesla now has a good enough truck. Can Germany also make a battery powered truck? Except maybe focus on the European market as the Tesla truck is not designed for the European market. 5. Trains are a far more energy efficient way to move stuff around than trucks - What is Germany doing to get say more freight moving by train instead of having piles of trucks everywhere? Are you willing to cut some of the red tape to getting better train infrastructure in place and get serious about doing trains right? (The USA for example while once having a great rail network, has some of the worst red tape around this in the world, but it still does better with freight rail than Germany despite this red tape issue.) And what does Germany think of the micro-mobility movement around many parts of the world that can make train travel far more practical to more people? As in the train is the bulk mover of people to an area and the micro-mobility gets you the last mile there? After all, your neighbors in the Netherlands ride bicycles everywhere as it is. In the USA at least, bike lanes are going up everywhere and roads are being redone to protect bicyclists from getting run over by cars, something long overdue, but this also helps make other micro-mobility devices far more practical to use in a number of places as they use the same lanes for bicycles.
No you don't understand Jason. You see with EV, have a supply cap on nickel, copper, and especially lithium. In order, for the Germans to have an EV industry they would have have to create the car factory, battery factory, charging stations, and a lithium mine all at the same time because the supply chain will prevent you from having a massive EV fleet. Tesla, is first the mover and so it has the advantage over the other EV makers. So it is not just building the EV's. Many automakers are like "no f**king" way are we getting into the mining business. Which become very difficult because we need 10 times more raw "Lithium" right now!
@@mandarinandthetenrings2201 The reality is automakers usually don't directly make all that much. What the normal deal for automakers is are supply chain partnerships. So claiming the automakers "need to get into the mining business" is a bunch of malarkey. Even Tesla with their massive vertical integration still has a supply chain. Tesla is not in the mining business either. They lined up the suppliers. Tesla has been very good at lining up suppliers. Why is it the establishment automakers only seem to be able to stick with suppliers for ICE vehicles and fail to line up suppliers for EVs? Now that is the question. And when it comes to getting all of the raw materials, it turns out we can do this. Battery grade lithium turns out to be abundant and easy enough to get. It is not actually capped. You are not stuck with one battery type either, but instead there are several to choose from and advancements in technology say we can have abundant materials and high density at the same time. You can also do things like plug-in hybrids. Really with plug-in hybrids, considering all of the advancements in LFP batteries, that is a very sustainable battery to make to use in them and the energy density of the batteries are good as well. Iron and phosphates are plenty abundant as as mentioned before, lithium is actually rather plentiful. I mean these are solved and solvable problems to make even better. The big auto makers just need to get on the ball and do it. It is a will issue at this point, not a technological nor raw material limit.
If The West believes in free market and competition then why so worry of the Chinese EVs? The German big 3s should go head on with the Chinese & American EVs. Why EU is so lack of confidence?
It's true though. China's state subsidies may get Chinese EVs to the west, but they aren't going to be anything more than a blip. Sure, it might affect German manufacturers, but long term no chance. The Chinese Evs are absolute garbage and nobody is going to keep buying them.
It is very interesting to note that the European car manufacturers that were pushing clean diesel probably shifted to EVs for fear of being dominated by Japanese hybrid technology, but in the end it was the Chinese EV manufacturers who gained.
I have two electric cars, but I am for people doing what they want. EVs are better cars, and in time people will figure this out. Until then, I think it is wrong for the governments to FORCE people to change. Name a food that your parents forced you to eat that you like.
I might have the occasional need of a car but you can't get insurance on EVs that have run out of warranty in the UK, as I understand it, due to insurance companies concerns about battery fires, especially whilst charging and therefore, unattended fire risk. This doesn't inspire anyone with confidence in the UK, unless you have a car you don't have to buy or insure. Fleet sales are high on these cars but personal ownership is falling. ICE cars still winning the race too due to very limited charging infrastructure, here. I'll stick with my bike, for most of my needs.
You are missing the point. It's not about emissions. It's about total ownership cost. Automakers will switch to EV or die. I don't care what they choose.
I chose ID3 over MG4, despite that ID3 is more expensive because I care about quality and service. Have to say, I am a bit disappointed by the both the service and quality. A software upgrade took 7 days in the VW garage/dealer. Returned my car with (App) connection problems.
If legacy automakers and corrupt politicians failed to recognise the coming EV and electrification race then you change the politicians and automakers, you don't plant your head to the sand hoping it will go away because it won't.
Fundamentally EVs can be much cheaper to build than combustion vehicles and there are no way around it. EVs were only more expensive in the beginning because you have a niche supply chain going against decades old supply chain, but with China's establishing the EV supply chain this is no longer true. Supply chain is also the core problem with countries trying to compete with China, Chinese EVs can benefit from China's enormous supply chain that already exist for manufacturing other products, whereas EVs in other countries will have to build dedicated supply chains and the suppliers won't have other customers to drive down cost. Lastly China has an enormous IT industry, it's own mobile ecosystem and it's own internet services, as such Chinese EV makers can access huge pools of software and electronic engineers to design intelligent features, better electric drive system and AI functionality. Germany's expertise is in legacy mechanical engineering, the country simply lack the talent pool to compete with Chinese engineering. Western automakers started earlier than China and mistaken their early start for speed, EVs reset everyone to the starting point, now the speed difference is obvious.
What does IT have to do with building EV's other than the role it plays in ANY company? To be fair, that's far from the craziest Wumao nonse posted here
@@supadupahilton6848 lol the fact that western carmakers didn't know what role IT has to do with EVs is why VW just paid $2 billion for access to Chinese IT software then laid off 2,000 people from their own Cariad software team. I guess it's not surprising that people used to dealing with 100 year old mechanical technology have no clue how much networking and processing goes into a vehicle with a dozen lidars, radars, cameras, hundreds of sensors all closely coupled with fully digital drive-train and drive-by-wire everything.
@@vlhc4642 For starters, IT (infrastructure support) is not the same as software development. Now Germans, (no I'm not German) are likely the smartest people on earth. Couple this with the fact that've been building cars for about a century, and it's unlikely they would be surprised. Regarding the software, they have SO many options, ranging from licensing off of Waymo (Google), to hiringa team of Indians (DIRT cheap) to writing it themselves. I don't know ANYONE that would trust Chinese software, let alone pay some exorbitant fee for it 🤣🤣
@@supadupahilton6848 Did you just say IT (information technology) is "infrastructure support"? lol? Clearly you aren't as smart as the Germans since it's the German Volkswagen board who just paid $2 billions for access (note, not own, just access) to Chinese software,. then fired 2,000 Germans software devs because they weren't as smart. (I'm sure they're all super smart to you, but it doesn't take much do be smarter than you does it). Oh and Stellantis just spent $1.6 billion for Chinese software from another startup, I believe Stellantis is French-American. See, building the same thing for a century also means you havne't built anything new for a century, which is exactly their problem. Yeah you can try license off Waymo if you just want to convert your ICE into taxis, but Waymo doesn't do integrated EV architecture do they? Tesla is the only western automaker with experience in EVs systems, and they're neither competitive against Chinese EVs, nor will they ever license it to you. As for cheap Indian engineers, lol, yeah good luck with that, this is another case where the Germans were indeed smart than you in paying the amount they did for high quality Chinese engineering.
It's fair to say, private transport is responsible for 5-10% Co2 and BEV still requires lots of Co2 to make and keep running, dependant on energy source circumstances. So if ALL cars were suddenly BEV, Co2 MIGHT be reduced by 2-5%, at best. I do like BEV's for a lot of reasons. Saving the planet myth, not being one of them.
The problem is, whatever the percentage is, it's a part of the emissions problem that cannot be solved without either eliminating private transport or transitioning to EVs. All things considered, it is among the easier parts of the problem to solve, and if it doesn't get derailed, it will be among the first. If that's not enough reason, there's also the public health benefits from reduced air pollution, and -- I think equally important -- the improved governance that will be possible in so many jurisdictions currently under the thumb of fossil fuel companies (including especially the US).
A UK wide study in 2020 found that if all cars were electric the CO2 total would be 12% less - 42 million tonnes less of CO₂ into the atmosphere each year on the 351.5 million tonnes emitted in total that year (ICESF Nottingham). Transport is the greatest increase in CO2 generation increasing in the EU by a third from 1990 to 2019! (European Environment Agency). On average across all EU grids from wheel to well - BEVs were three times cleaner than ICE in 2020 and by 2030 four times cleaner (T&E). Almost all CO2 generation is from use not manufacture. On a clean grid like Norway 6mth of use makes a BEV cleaner than an ICE. A year in the US (Argonne Lab). The single thing a family can do to make the greatest individual difference is to clean up their transport. On average across all grids from wheel to well - BEVs are four times cleaner than ICE. This matters a lot. The Artic will have little summer ice by 2030, and no Polar bears.
Media usually forget where the electricity for all those EVs in China comes from: coal. China is building more new coal burning power plants than all other countries combined. Not very "green".
Is anyone ready to talk about toxic waste produced in the process of rare earth elements mining? Especially in China. Does going green outweigh the damage to the environment and human health?
Batteries are using fewer and fewer rare earths and did you know oil extraction, transportation, refining and combustion was also really bad for the environment?
@@KidHorn7001 Apart from extraction and processing of Lithium and other minerals used in the batteries, using a lot of water and polluting air and water with heavy metals; the electricity used to power them comes from non-renewable sources such as coal.
So many things we have use batteries so Stopping EVs won’t change how they are mined. If your electricity is from. Oak for your house, then your electricity for your EV is also. No difference until we stop using coal.
Is anyone ready to talk about the toxic waste, immense environmental damages, and to human health produced by the oil industry? Nothing is perfect, but don't shoot at the (much) better solution!
I wont even consider buying one until solid state batteries come alive, and you get 7-800miles per charge with a 5-10min charging time. There really isn't any point in buying one now.
I get 400 miles in my Tesla model s and it charges from 10-80% in 15 minutes. I only use superchargers on long trips because I leave my house full every day. What is the point of 800 miles of range? That’s just unnecessary
@@righteousmammon9011 it may be unnecessary for YOU, but you don't kow my life, its what I WOULD want to see, i don't want to charge it every other day. I said what I said!
BYD and GWM are making big waves in the Brazilian market too. Legacy manufacturers seem rightfully scared of them, and they should be.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
Legacy auto is already dead man walking
Chinese ev quality is questionable though ..
@@MrBigbangbuzz by comparison to who? 😂😂😂
@@MrBigbangbuzzyour mind resides in China’s Qing Dynasty 🎉
We switched to Tesla in 2022 and after 75,000 km and 4 seasons driving (we’re in a cold climate) I can confirm we’re never going back to gas or diesel.
Same here in the US. My wife and I both have Tesla’s. I feel like I am driving a futuristic rocket. $10 in electricity to go 300 miles.
Yeah! our annual costs are hovering around $1,500 and that's for around 60,000 km
@@righteousmammon9011
What? Your cars didn't spontaneously ignite? You can drive them in cold weather? You didn't have to replace the battery every year at a cost of 20K?
@@KidHorn7001 🤣🤣🤣
@@KidHorn7001I hope this is a joke lol.
When there's a power outage, gas pumps also won't work. It all comes down to the EV charging infrastructure. I live in China, and everything that's said in this program is true. Every single Didi (Chinese equivalent of Uber) is electric. When I first arrived here back in 2015, all the Taxis were VWs. Not so today.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
this will not solve the problem of faking it till you make it :)) ordering production all over china with beijing money to boost the numbers will not help in the long run.
@@strigoiu13???
EU leaders are busying creating conflict between countries. No time to manage their country. Focusing on the wrong thing
Because they have no other choice :D :D :D
Wages in China are not so low anymore! The only reason the ev’s are cheaper is the high automated factory’s and also lithium is priced cheaper in China.
Did you not watch the video? Chinese cars are cheaper in China due to government subsidies. Duh!
The minimum salary is 400 EUR excuse me but that's still cheap
Elon Musk loves China not because they have low wages but because it has the most efficient workers. For low wages, Elon would have chosen India, Vietnam or Malaysia for its gigafactories.
@@KP-xi4bjDW intends to send incorrect information. In fact, the Chinese government stopped all subsidies last year but only kept tax cut for car buyers.
@@gzh12 Subsidies, tax cuts ... all mean the buyers pay less for the same product. Duh!
Well, if China can build and operates its own Space Station, then making a safe EV is a piece of cake.
ev is new and there is room for improvement.
Unlike combustion engines already been around for almost 100 years which has little room for improvement....
@@jrkr7357what do you mean almost 100 years try at least 125 years.
DW is a bit late in finding out the Chinese EVs are at the moment ahead. EU has already admitted the defeat by announcing an investigation into the Chinese EV subsidies. But the inexpensive EVs are good for both the customers and the environment. Hope EU doesn’t try to kill free trade.
It has nothing to do with "being ahead". Chinese EV import are only taxed at 10% by Europe, while China taxes European imports at 25%. China also owns the lithium refining and China/Korea/Japan own the battery production chain. EV make no sense for Europe since we don't own any of the resources, EV for Europe is like shooting yourself in the foot.
The US also blocks European truck imports with the "chicken tax". Germany also now has expensive energy because Ukraine and the US blew up the Nord stream pipeline. All of this is because European politicians fail to protect Europe, they still live in this lala-land where they think the US and China are allies, Europe is a sheep among wolves. The US economy is powering ahead, while the living standards in Europe are falling drastically.
Are they really ahead? The ones i have driven had poor comfort. My Skoda Enyaq was MUCH more quite, specially on the motorway.
@@fortune300 来跟我说说你都开过哪些中国车
That's right same technology for a cheaper price 👍🏿💯
Free trade is based on the principle of following established trade rules, that products are sold according to real cost and not subsidiesed.
In Europe: VW ID3 is €45K vs Tesla Model 3's €39k... not hard to understand why VW is not selling many cars...
You sure? I've looked in almost all Europe's market and the cheapest Model 3 starts from 42 990eur
Tesla is subsidised
3:45 Do you honestly think comparing the price of a BMW 1 Series vs the significantly larger i4 is an accurate representation of the price difference between ICE and EV cars?
China giving consumers incentives to buy EV is not an uncommon practice among countries. And even that has ended in China. German manufacturers are being slow and not adapting. Subsidies/incentives to consumers had been available to ALL manufacturers including foreign ones like Tesla, which incidentally has done very well for itselt there.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
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@@strigoiu13 that's all you got? Lol
@@strigoiu13 , People like you are the sole major reason why German car industry is falling behind Tesla and BYD in EV.
One would reckon that you would say it is a lie that China has its own space station, and soon will be the only one in the world, when the so-called ISS expires.
There are no longer financial incentives or subsidies in China for EVs, but there are still some policy incentives. E.g., it is exponentially easier to get a license plate in Beijing if you get an EV compared to an ICE car… That’s why 50% of drivers in Beijing have an EV…
Once upon a time there were phone operators, elevator operators, and even flight engineers. We actually have the ability to make so much more, but in some ways our economic system is no longer the best method to support it (does an advancement in technology result in lower cost and more production, or higher profits and less demand?).
You don't get higher profits from reduced demand. You get higher profit from reduced cost and increased productivity.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
@@tjmarx Everything has an upper limit. Fuel vehicles have existed for more than 100 years. Will they continue to exist for another 100 years?
@@alxvideos6634 You'rr asking a non-sequitur question. Combustion powered vehicles COULD last another 100 years if we chose to make them. We're making a deliberate decision for social reasons to limit them to about half that.
That's entirely irrelevant to profits. EVs of any kind don't break the rules of economics. They aren't increasing profits with fewer customers. If anything given the high competition, the profit margins are more razor thin than with comparative combustion powered vehicles and require greater demand as a result.
Profit is a function of cost over productivity in comparison to demand. That is, the more people who want your product, compared with how much of your product you can make for the least amount possible. High demand allows for price stability. Lowering costs means more of your price you get to keep, and that's profit.
It isn't specific to any one product. It's just how the system works generally.
Depends on where your point of view.
Old industry does faze out.
You can't just look at the emissions as only part of the manufacturing process. What is really the issue are the toxic exhaust gasses emitted while burning the fuels right inside the cities where we live, sleep, breathe and raise our children. This is just the local concentrated problem... but oil extraction and refining is the global crisis.
- One pumpjack consume 9800 MWh/month of electricity. There are around 1.1 million active pumpjacks worldwide (in 2018).
- Oil Refineries consume 15-20% of annual electricity consumption for the whole continent (just in the US).
- Offshore platforms burn 20-30 tons of diesel per day for their generators. The US alone has 610 active offshore platforms.
- Thousands of kilometers of pipelines. Each section with a pump consuming 50-250 kW and working 24/7.
- Tankers, each of them burning 200-250 tons of fuel oil per day. 2,210 are currently active tankers.
- Land transport with semi trucks - ~ 40 liters of diesel / 100 km.
- Gas stations with all their pumps and energy consumption.
... and we haven't touched on shale gas and coal mining yet. ... nor have we paid attention to oil spills, vented gas, pollution of rivers and groundwater, deforestation and wars for resources.
- An average ICE vehicle is responsible for 260-350 g.CO2/km + NOx, SOx, CO and other harmful fine particulates right in the cities where we live. - Efficiency to the wheels - 18-25% (older vehicle even less)
- While an EV is responsible for 32-48 g.CO2/km (at the current heavy coal energy mix)... Keep in mind that there are NO emissions during it's operation. NO exhaust gasses where people live - Efficiency 80-90%
Manufacturing of an ICE vehicle releases 5200 to 6900 kg.СО2, while an EV (+battery) releases around 5600 to 8800 kg.СО2. Emissions are equalized after less than 10,000 km. After 250,000 km the difference in emissions is at least 10 times more for the ICE.
The longer you use an IC vehicle the more petrol will be extracted and refined, more political conflicts and wars will happen, more land will be cleared for pumping, more oil spills will fill the oceans, more gas will escape the pipelines... and more fuel will be burned.
- 7-8 million people die worldwide due to air pollution.
- The petrol industry generates $10 Billion in profits per DAY and receives $11 Million in subsidies per MINUTE globally.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
I would highly recommend anyone interested in the clean energy transition to watch a Tony Seba keynote.
The clean revolution will be over by 2030. It will happen faster than most people realize.
in China, the pure ev still isn't the main stream, the plug in hybrid that offers around 100km pure ev range is the most family wanted, people use that 100km to cover working day travel, then they use gasoline to cover the travel during weekend. But most family find out that they only fill up their fuel tank once a month even two months, because the cross-city travel it's not as much as expected.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
It is very true that you described above. I forsee the same way for other when puchease the vehicle.
China EV is big competition to European and Japan motor vehicles industry.
European would force China vehicle to compliance to Europe standard (more than now) in order to contain China technology further exporting to others parts of the world.
Do you think that European car could compete with China now?
The answers is obviously not due to highlight technology and reasonable quality and very good prices.
European would ban certain China car in Europe for BS reasons and team up with US for big corporation benefits.
This has been going now in south east Asian countries and China for products which European countries facing prices competition.
Now wanted to implement so called E. S. G. Policies in each of exporting company. E = ENVIRONMENT {CO2}, S = SOCIAL (work union), G = Governance ( good practice). It looks good and sounds nice. I reality every cost monies and unwanted bureaucratic (time waste) from export country to import country.
Products costing jack up (inflation).
In history western culture hardly play fair games when encounter Asia and africa. White supremacy engraved in thier brains. Today China facing unnecessary challenges trade block, technology bans, high import tax for certain nation and Etc.
China has try so hard to shown to the world that they could contributing to real world with tangible assets to build basic infrastructures for developing countries and under developing, for all human kind.
The China was not given credibility by the world organisation bodies or provide enhancement for good practice humans kind.
China wanted to sharing experiences which they had be given by the western (China never complains).
Smarter for most imo
@@masterseries4004 It may come as a surprise to you that China's vehicle emission standards are now stricter than Euro 6. The so-called European standards may not be an issue.
I am looking at a PHEV for exactly that reason. What PHEV have 100 km range? I was looking at the Octavia IV. But it only has 60km range. 100 would be perfect.
In China Automotive Industry, if you want cheap EV car, you may chose BYD. If you prefer luxury EV car and swap battery technology, you may chose NIO. These 2 automotive companies cover all the different group of people, no matter whether you're living at landed house or apartment. Anyway, China Market is the key of success. China now has started producing a Sodium Battery which is much much cheaper and less dangerous than Lithium Battery. If you think china car now is very cheap, later you will see china car is much cheaper than now when they are using Sodium Battery on their manufactured car.
dream on
Retail pricing segment is always clear. Made in China vs other brands
China brand now is creating its own value and trust among people. People is now accepting China brand, resulting in a huge decrease of demand from German and Japan Automotive Brand which had been a market leader before. Due to a slow response of west companies, they unable to compete with China. Tesla demand now is decreasing while China demand is increasing as China innovation is super fast. Slowly we will see Tesla like Nokia that has no innovation.
if u look up the german cars u find that they are overdated. It's nice too see bmw 7 or S class but compare it to ZEEKR or some chinese cars. They look diffrent, modren. German cars are well made but for 3-4 years, after this time everything is starting to break down. I love german cars but if u have 8 years old audi q7 and u have to change timming belt or chain, turbo, EGR's you can easily spend 15k or doubled in delaershpi Euro for this. VW's are no longer reliability- i've got 2018 passat- rust on feneder (original paint), suspension is made of cardboard, 7speed DSG has lag when u start, bad sound insolation (tire noise, wind noise). It is last time i have Vag. The time i will consider EV i'll buy TESLA or Chinese car brand beacuse they have to try making best products to build the brand. I'm car enthusiast and i have to admit that if u look for reliable car just buy JAPAN (combustion) not best in sound insolation, seat position but probably never brake down if it;s hybird.
When people talk about how the Chinese government funds the EV or tech industries, they solely refer to the public dollars that go to Chinese companies while keeping silent about the subsidy for Tesla. Indeed, the Shanghai government subsidizes Tesla with $85 million and low-priced lands. The beneficial policy was so progressive that many Chinese domestic manufacturers were jealous. Of course, the Shanghai grant is not without conditions- Tesla needs to satisfy its commitment to production capacity and employment to local government. Remember, the construction of Tesla's Giga Shanghai started in January 2019 and began to operate only one year later, which secured 500,000 EV production in 2020. It is a win-win solution: Tesla guaranteed its ambitious production capacity while Shanghai prompted the upgrading of EVs. More companies and technologies would have enjoyed these opportunities without the trade war.
US is doing the same thing. Just ask Texas and other states that want Tesla to build factory there.
Yes, that is why these news are biased, as they attribute the success of China‘s EV industry merely to government investment. Indeed, many countries are doing the same thing.@@thomasantn
No, those are CCP dollars (extorted from Chinese CEOs like Jack Ma). Regarding US subsidies, Tesla coat is too high so NO. No subsidies for Tesla
@@supadupahilton6848source ? Proof ?
Jack ma ? Source
@@ZakiHaider-y9o It's all over the Internet bro. Ma spoke out against Poo-Bear and got penalized. Xi is fleecing ALL of China's billionaires. Do you even read the news??
Germany losing the electric car race means cheap cars for the consumers. VW is no more what it was meant to be “ the people’s car “ but now its all about profit and big money. I won’t be surprised if I see an electric Chinese car for 15,000 euros or 10,000 euros.
Its somehow a big win for the buyers.
“people's cars” is now “rich elites' cars”
I don't agree, I have a 2015 VW Golf Mk7 and it's been an excellent car. VW in it's prime. Now, not so much with dieselgate and the reluctance to get EV's mainstream - but they still know how to make a good car.
@@joebloggs6131 not talking about the quality. And recent cars made have low standard quality compared to the old ones. But one thing which keeps increasing is the price. So we pay more for less quality
@@chefadudennis
Mine was $25K and so far it's lasted 8 years; I think the VW Golf is the "people's car" and they still make them, buy it pre-owned if you want to get a really well priced car.
If you want brand new with all the bells and whistles, well you pay for it; it's that simple.
10k is a max I would put into an EV.
The primary advantages of electric cars are the better performance and price/performance ratio as well as the lower service and running costs. From a buyer's perspective, there are no rational arguments against these advantages.The environmental aspect comes as a nice side effect still on top. Economic interests of legacy car makers and the loss of low-skilled jobs will not stop an advantageous mobility transition.
Well said.
For those who doubt it, wait for oil price hit USD 150 per berral.
Only one apprehension, EV needs additional infrastructure in the form of charging stations. It will still need some time to build.
Besides infrastructure, you have to have a strong enough grid to support the high-power charging. Then you also have to have wind/solar/nuclear/water to generate electricity for the grid. So it's not a solo solution, it's an ecosystem.@@Tomharry910
@@Tomharry910 99% commute for 90% people is local city usage which can be done by home charging itself.
Car is not just above transportation, it is about environment, carbon emissions, AI, integrated into lifestyle, technology features, software, affordable in China, 5g etc...
That would explain why Motorola failed when it sees mobile phone is a little bit more than calling and answering.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
Since the massive adoption of EV cars in Chinese cities, they have practically all blue sky days for most of the year. Beijing still has some smog days but mostly caused by sand storm from Gobi Desert. So yes, EV car is the future.
I love your comment, not because it's true (IT ISN'T) but So creative! Rock on little Wumao 😂
@@supadupahilton6848 When people have nothing to say other than throwing label at you, that show they actually agree with you. So they throw labels at you to distract. LOL 😁🤣
Doesn't the smog mostly come from factories and powerplants rather than commuters?
I think it came from India
@@senpai8435 The sudden increase of millions of gas cars contribute mainly to the smog problem. Factories are actually quite strict in their CO2 admission for the last 10 or 15 years. In addition, many factories, such as steel mills, are moved out of the suburbs of the cities.
The US is willing to ban EV globally if it stops the Chinese 😂
❤yes
2000 worker in one car factory is awesome achievement in term of manufacturing technology.
As Jay Leno once said "electric cars will save classic muscle cars" & sports cars.
Every era offers some amazing cars, and people will push tech to the limit no matter if it runs on batteries, orange juice or steam power. this is the most interesting time in auto industry since the supercar wars began. It's great to watch to see what they come up with next.
EU is behind on new technologies, internet, AI, EV, autonomous cars. No google, no Baidoo, no Apple, no Alibaba, no Microsoft, no Amazon, no Ebay, no Meta. As a European working in technology the lack of tech giants is staggering and worrying
In the Netherlands we have 2 very big chipmakers; ASML and NPX. ASML is the most advanced in the world.
Japan too
Every modern tech is from the US here
@@exeuropeanASML is technically an American company
EU is not a country. If you have a killer app, you will face a lot more red tapes from all EU members. Start ups will either be acquired by US counterparts or crushed by US competition before they mature. China has GFW, which help China's tech companies survive and thrive.
@@exeuropean ASML's tech is licensed from US and that is why ASML must comply with US sanctions on third parties.
I've been a faithful BMW driver for more than a decade. Had them all, 3er, 5er, 7er, X5 diesel and gasoline. The reliability is just disgusting. 7er was a disaster and ultimately sold for pennies. Spare parts prices for all models are over the roof. Last month I got rid of my last BMW, the 5er, and ordered a chinese-made BYD Tang EV, all-electric. Bye bye beemers.
As for my wife's car, a dated Audi Q5, we're still deciding between a modern Q5 (we both still love the model) and a chinese-made hybrid Voyah Free, which looks, feels and drives like a charm.
German automakers have missed the EV train and are in deep trouble.
China will grab every Market in future. Their local Market is very big and competitive. If any company can perform well locally, it will do well in foreign smaller markets too.
Not necessarily. There is a big difference culturally, and with taxes / incentives. Some countries lack EV chargers. Many Chinese cars are too expensive for Southern and Eastern EU countries etc.
@@williamdrijver4141 obviously China will not occupy markets overnight. But they are very competitive in the local market that is a great advantage to expand securely.
All EVs being sold in China are taking tax incentives including Tesla.
Nope! Not gonna happen, buddy!
No. China will grab europe. Not every market.
There are a few issues with this video. First. you need to compare number of charging stations per capita, not total. Also when comparing the price of German made cars vs Chinese you don't only compare expensive cars from BMW. You need to add more pedestrian cars from VW. Third, when saying that cars are too expensive in Latin America you need to compare the price of the BYD cars with the cars that are already available in the region. Saying that people need to take loans to buy a car is normal, everyone does that today.
Good point. I did notice all of these issues.
I think the biggest point that was neglected in this video was the cost of not moving away from oil to BEV.
The true cost of an ICE vehicle is MUCH higher than the price you pay the dealer. It's even higher than the high maintenance expense, and higher than the cost of continually refueling. The true cost to society is likely more than double the so called total cost of ownership. And this true cost goes up every day and every year.
It includes at least three major unpaid expenses: 1) Health related costs from the air pollution. 2) Health costs and cleanup costs from all the spills and leaking and leaching and other terrestrial and marine pollution. 3) The high cost of climate change. And that's not counting the economic impact of oil price volatility and frequent bouts of price gouging.
By contrast, the cost to society of EVs will go down over time, as battery recycling reduces the amount of mining per vehicle, and the transition to renewable energy for the grid greatly reduces the environmental toll per mile driven in an EV.
per capita is important but not that much, most important is access to those facilities, as 80% of population in China lives in cities, so majority of the cities and major highways are already covered..everything is planned here, so the number of charging facilities are increasing with the increase of of EVs, and this is i believe so quick..this is happening quickly in last two years, and 2024 believe to more faster..
On a per capita level, SK os first and China is second
I think the Scandinavians come next
Still German lose
more's the pity we don't see the kind of enthusiasm and investment in public transport as we have in EVs
Now in China, most of buses (in city) are EVs.
Inter city buses still use petrol.
People no longer care much about the “European legacy quality” since most Chinese brands are now matching them in most cases. And yes brand used to matter but nowadays people buy what they can afford and Chinese cars are the way to go. Even in South Africa people are buying Chinese cars (Haval/Omega) over Europeans, and even me a BMW fan I am also looking at Chinese cars. Funny how things have changed globally.
My parents had Fords in the seventies and eighties. Until this year I only ever owned Japanese brand cars. But this year I bought a model Y and a Bolt. The experience is so much better, and the long term costs are better. I have seen the writing on the walls. And I live in rural Illinois, where the "charging infrastructure is bad", except....I charge at home and in rural areas lots of people have driveways and garages to charge at
@@martalli Yes, so you see… you are no longer brand loyal and in that case you found something better.
@@fancyIOP I wasn't brand loyal. When I am in the market for a vehicle, I wanted a reliable, efficient vehicle. That used to mean looking at Toyota and Honda. Used to.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
To say China can produce the same product for cheaper, is logically equivalent to say China can build a superior product for the same price.
DW has an episode on Chinese EV every 3 days now
China's EV is expensive in Europe just because of the traiff imposed upon. A BYD 4.7 meter midsize hybrid running 1000KM fully charged & full tank just cost US$20,0000 in China. The Govt only gives $500 incentives to the consumer for buying EV.
1 out of 3 jobs in Germany depend on the car industry. If the Americans and Chinese are allowed to take over Germany's car industry (and they've already done that with the tech sector, solar panels, military, LNG energy, etc), Germany would become a 3rd world country.
We all knew Germany industrial dxe on the day N$tream bxmb
Germany and Japan are in big trouble.
Tesla is German.
At least Germany won't be alone! The UK might not feel so lonely 😅🤣🤣
@@KidHorn7001😂😂😂
EVs are, relatively speaking, cheaper in China. BYD ATTO3 can be bought for 130,000RMB, less than 18,000USD.
The reason we want to shift from ICE cars to EVs is because an EV sedan consumes at worst 2 liters equivalent of gas / 100km while an ICE car consumes at best 4 liters / 100km. There is no way around that, electric engines are 3 x more efficient than internal combustion engines. And this on top of all their other advantages (instant torque, better recycling, renewable power source, etc). So if you add to that new battery technology that will allow you to recharge an EV in 10 minutes then it is easy to see that ICE cars will be soon dead as a Dodo.
Don't care about the environment
Don't care about attachment issues
Don't care about the origin of the makers
GAS PRICES is the only reason I went electric
Now they will increase power bills 😎
@@lifegamerpro4033yes but now you have the option of solar panels I will buy a solar sistem before any new car
@@exigoalin3097 great but they will put heavy tax on panels in future
@@exigoalin3097 already in india govt started removing subsicidies on solar panels with xyz abc conditions
@@exigoalin3097exactly, unlike ICE cars, I can create my own energy to charge my EV. This also means I can charge it at home, so for every day use I don’t have to stop anywhere to recharge.
“In Beijing…” proceeds to show footage of Shanghai
that reminds me of Nokia mocking on touchscreen phones😅
Fun fact : BYD design lead by German.
Wolfgang_Egger, BYD lead designer
In 2017, Egger became design director for BYD. The Chinese automaker appointed him to create their design identity, starting with the hybrid model BYD Song Max.
BYD Recruits Ferrari & Mercedes Designers as Head of Exterior & Interior Design.
Michele Jauch-Paganetti , JuanMa López. ...
So? What's your point?
Man only if there are Germans in Germany so VW can catch up.
American workers when they hear ev's are sustainable and easy to make:
*Dey took MY JEEEERRRRBBB!!!*
A 'horrible' fact is that China had cancelled the subsidy of EV at the end of y2022.
What they do not mention is that transportation makes up 16% of total greenhouse gases. Cars only make up 2.5% of the overall CO2 emissions. I have a Tesla but it not for environmental reasons, its for the advanced technology in the Tesla and low maintenance. After I put 100K miles on my car, I only had to replace tires. I still have the original breaks.
The "advanced technology in the Tesla" is exactly why I'll never buy one of those, I don't sell my soul for loans to buy a phone with tires, I just need a car
That is not true. Transportation does make up about 20%, but cars are responsible for half of that, as they say in the video, so about 10% of overall emissions. And in advanced countries like the US the share of transportation is even higher, about 30%
@@TheSilverGateSays the beggar. I bought my 2023 Model 3 Long Range with cash.
road transport accounts for 15% of total CO2 emissions, that is excluding freight by road
I think the greenies bought their EVs years ago. To expand the market share, they need to convince people it makes economic sense. And it will become more apparent over time as battery prices come down while gas car production costs will keep going up.
EVs are massively superior to ICE cars.
I changed to EV and honestly the difference is night and day.
ALL ICE vehicles feels like potato to drive not even mentioning the other perks.
Same here. We went from 2 gas cars and PHEV to two EVs and a PHEV. Our gas bill has gone down literally by a factor of 10! I really want to get rid of the PHEV and get another EV. I'm working on that!
We just bought two EVs this year as our old cars were getting quite old. I had no trouble traveling from Illinois to Texas. I drive to the middle of Missouri frequently with no trouble. Almost all my charging is at home. It really is night and day.
In the U.S., yes - but not all people live there😂
@@dontbanmebrodontbanme5403Who will pay taxes, that are now in gasoline then?
It's absolutely incredible! This video is about battery electric cars... and in this industry, there is one "gorilla in the room", world leader Tesla... incidentally also the manufacturer of the most sold vehicle model in the world - no matter the motorisation - the Tesla Model Y... incidentally again also manufactured in Germany. And, the name "Tesla" was not mentioned ONCE in the video... an interviewee quickly uttered the name "Elon Musk", but that's all!
So, how can you expect the German car industry to survive, when there is so much denial that the ONE company who made the transition happen, and who leads the industry by miles, is not mentioned once by a German television channel's study on the matter?
As a European, I wish the German car industry to survive... but the decisions and declarations I hear from the Board of Volkswagen (who fired Herbert Diess, the only German automotive executive with a clear vision of what is happening, and the guts to make the imperative changes...), from the CEO of BMW, or its previous CTO (Klaus Fröhlich), or the communication from Daimler Benz... are all dismal!
The German car industry IS COMMITTING corporate suicide!
The light at the end of the tunnel is that Tesla is already manufacturing in Germany, BYD and other Chinese companies will undoubtedly also build manufacturing facilities in Europe in general, and Germany in particular (perhaps... if Germany makes new manufacturing ventures a little less complicated...). So, workers losing their jobs at VW Group, BMW, Daimler-Benz, will find a new job opportunity... well... some of them!
Nowadays Germany has just moved up to a higher level, producing brilliant politicians.
😅🤣😅🤣
Well... can't argue that one.
124K station for a country as tiny as the Netherlands, impressive.
China saw the future and invested in it. They are way ahead of European countries really. China pretty much owns the battery manufacturing market. They are going to do what Japan did in the 1970’s and Korea did in the 2000’s . The U.K. used to make loads of cars and people rubbished Japanese cars and later Korean cars…
VW is making very expensive cars with terrible software, cheaping out on quality and reliability and then trying to charge a premium for it.
It seems a bit ironic that France is starting to make affordable EV’s. Yet here comes 20% tariffs. The EU won’t buy cars made in the U.K. due to 20% tariffs and the U.K. will probably buy loads of cars made in china as we will probably reciprocate.
Legacy brands kept delaying investment until they could get a better idea of what the electric market would look like. Turns out this was a costly mistake. Now they are in a scale battle with Tesla and BYD they thought they would easily win. Their first dedicated electric models are overpriced and featureless. They are five years behind...
we (here in Germany) don't need 15mio electric cars on the roads the next ten years. We just need 15mio cars less than currently are registered
But this needs to be gentle. Because Germany has a huge legacy automobile supply chain consisting of hundreds of small business units, etc. They shouldn't become a victim of this shift.
I don't understand why car makers are now making smart phones with tires, I just need a car to get me from point A to point B, I don't need Netflix in it
New technology transforms old cars to another level. That's, a car can be used as entertainment center, quiet temporary office , a napping place without engine on,etc.
You don't know it yet, but you need a karaoke as a car... :D
@@mingouczjcz3800 Who the fuc* needs that in Europe? First thing i do in my 2016 E-class is turning off the screens. Love it otherwise.
Eventually, it would be like a self-driving machine controlled by cell phones clicking destinations on Google Maps.
"I need a phone to talk to people. Not to browse the net. Not to listen to music. Not to buy stuff online." See how that view is now so outdated. Same goes with cars. It is no longer just to get from point A to point B.
EV cars will rise no matter what the challenges. Simply because people will realize that driving EV is much cheaper. For now, people only count the price of the car. After years, people will understand, they can safe the money that they used for gasoline, and that's a lot
Resale value?
@@Baz.007 How much is an ICE with 300k miles on it worth? If it is a 2022 Tesla Model 3, probably about $15k.
A 2022 Tesla Model 3 is less expensive over the life of the vehicle than a FREE NEW Toyota Corolla. It is just math.
I'm not really convinced that current BEVs are the final solution for personal transport. You need to strip mine huge amounts of rare earths, build batteries, the charging infra etc. They're not really safe either, current batteries at least. I personally think we're rushing into the EVs with half-as* solutions because of the climate panic.
We should take our time, review our options and mature whatever technology we decide to go for.. and THEN start building huge manufacturing capability.
It’s not cheaper anymore now that states and other countries are implementing higher registration yearly fees. Basically, the trade-off is you’re not paying gas but now paying the lump sum every year. Texas is one of them along with California. Electric was good for a short time, but you’re not really saving anything now. They even took away incentives in some places. To think that you’re not going to pay any gas sales taxes, it’s quite gullible. The government is going on a wave to mandate that across-the-board. You don’t have to believe me, but when that day comes, you’ll know what I’m talking about. People forget to factor in those registration fees until it’s too late that you bought the car.
In Western Countries the Evs are considered luxury cars and very expensive, only a few can afford to buy, but in China they make affordable Evs that most people can purchase!
Luxury German cars are expensive, they make Evs that are even more expensive than their regular cars, people are looking for cheap EVs to save on gas!
I read GM or Ford lose money selling EV cars. I am assuming the same for VW and BMW or they are breaking even.
@@Tabula_Rasa1 We're sorry but there was a time they had huge profits during the investments in china, they could think how to built good ev's and affordable . Too greedy
EU had the chance to evolve to EV transition. They didn't want to. Nowadays, EVs from USA China, are the top selling ones....
I don’t know as a common man how would I buy expensive EU made EV cars in EU itself.I will definitely buy Chinese EV if they are assembled in EU and cheaper , better connectivity and robust software ✌️
That worker at the start made a terrible argument: electric cars are easier to make with fewer components, so that will mean fewer jobs. Does she really expect a car company to be sold on the idea of keeping something complex and unreliable in order to keep jobs alive? That's just going to sell the idea of electric cars to their bosses more. If I were a heartless CEO on the fence about electric cars, that would have pushed me more in their favour.
When I buy a Tesla Model Y in California, I get $7500 tax credit plus $5500 from state as rebate. Are these incentives or subsidies according to the truth telling DW?
If it is from the west, then it's called incentive.
If it's from China, then it's a subsidy.
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They felt the same way about the internet. In the end, humans will adapt.
9:06 Please tell the lady that you don't necessarily need a public charging station in a small village. Simply plug your car into the home socket in the garage and drive off the next morning with a full charge, that's it 🤗
Not sure where you’re from, but in Europe most people don’t have their own garages especially if live in an apartment and parking is usually on street. That is why charging at home is often not an option unless you happen to find parking right in front of your house and run a long cable down to your car.
@@mobaumeister2732 I live (50% of the time) in (very) rural France, and EVERYBODY around here own their house and have a garage or at least a courtyard for parking the car, no matter how modest. It is ZERO problem to have a home charger, and electricity is comparatively very cheap to recharge off-hour (€0.1069/kWh).
My little village (900 people) installed 2 public chargers... good intension from the municipality... but no one use them.
Friends who live in apartment buildings and who own EVs, which "sleep on the street" tell me it is actually not a problem, just one invented by people with no actual experience. They drive little during the week, using only a fraction of the battery charge, and spending 20-30 mn once a week at a fast charger is more than enough.
@@japanwatchconnection💩
German automakers couldn't compete against Japanese makers' HEV, so they cheated with "clean diesel", then "changed the rule politically" that we must shift to BEV with the excuse of climate change, and ending up raising Chinese makers. Not only automobiles, but also the entire life cycle of any products should be as sustainable as possible. Shifting the pollution by greenhouse gas emissions to the environmental destruction and soil pollution by lithium and rare earth mining in certain areas is not necessarily justified.
I don't want to buy or ride a BEV especially a Chinese one even if it's cheap because I want to survive. Moving heavy batteries consumes more energy and is inefficient. Battery technology is still evolving. It's not practical for me unless it has much higher energy density, lightweight, preferably portable, and less deteriorating. Thus (P)HEV is currently the best choice for me.
In another recent video on another channel they were discussing how the EV industry is collapsing in China.
Collapsing and China is their fave two words.
This is a gross misrepresentation. There is no collapse of the industry. There is some consolidation. They have hundreds of companies, and so not all of them will survive.
There are two dozen Chinese EV makers that are going strong and in position now to export EVs around the world. It is very likely that at least three of these will be among the top 20 global automakers within the next decade.
That's why their Western audience never had the true information about their biggest competitor, and then made the wrong policy regarding the competition.
You are having obsolete information, it evolved and refined to a greatest technology with assistance world best humans resource ( western expertise). For china government do not rejects anything that would elevating technology they required and provide huge finances assistance to boosting new tech and R & D.
And by the way, in case you hadn't noticed, it's actually GM, Ford and Volkswagen that are having serious difficulties with their attempts to develop good, competitive EVs.
Tesla has been waiting ten years for Detroit to "catch up" and still Tesla owns more than half of the US EV market.
The Chinese automakers are about to make it almost impossible for any of the legacy automakers to export any cars anywhere, with the possible exception of a few German and Japanese cars selling in the US and Canada. And this will be done by selling good, cheap EVs.
According to Munro, Elon just announced the introduction of 48v system in the new Cybertruck, it reduce the size of the wire harness by 75%! If the industry follows, those wire harnesses manufacturer in Germany will probably go bust.
Got to give credit where credit is due
If it wasn't for China eating their lunch on EVs, these automakers would happily stick to the ICE cars
These automakers deserved this, now it's up to them to play catch up
But I doubt China will loosen its grip on the EV supply chain
Enabling EV to Home charging would make the cars more attractive.
All of the EVs I've owned are capable of level 1 charging.
Tesla's first car plant in Fremont was an ice car plant before becoming an electric car factory.
Is this the Tesla that almost went bankrupt before Elon Musk acquired it and put a heap of his own money into it?
Please do not say the China EVs have lower price are because subsidies.
The large market size and the well ready parts supply chains, raw materials are all ready within China and nearby with low logistics cost are all factors for lower EV selling.
Futher, the tough market competition also drive the price lower in China
i leave in indonesia for me german cars are great either chinese cars or even korean and japanese cars brands. the problem in german cars brand in my country is to confident on putting high prices on their products. i knew that german cars brand are premium and they had a high prices but the volkswagen that should be a mass brand to competition with toyota, hyundai and wuling in indonesia they put very high prices and in indonesia volkswagen are known to be premium brands. if the german wanna win the EV market start to make low cost EV prices like what korean and chinese brand did in indonesia, right now only 2 auto brands in indonesia that has started make an EV is hyundai and wuling and they give a very low cost prices what the world want is cheap EV not a high premium EV
The Chinese actually do things that get people into electric cars which can benefit the future. The Europeans and Americans do things to make the most money out of people. In the end, the Chinese will therefore win. European electric cars are inefficient, overpriced, sparse on features and poorly built unlike the cars that came before them from the European carmakers. World order needs to shift and I'm glad. Europe and America dictates our lives too much. China allows us to have nice things. Most can't afford a European electric car but that can afford a Chinese one. Why would they want to block people from owning an EV? Just because they're losing money and can't compete? They're basically saying they don't care about the fact that it's better for the environment but rather that they're losing money to the Chinese.
I wouldn’t by a Chinese car ever unless there was a big change in how Chinas government works and treats its people and the world
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You should stop buying made in America products until they stop exporting weapons to the world killing millions of people every year
crazy
Just compare your countrys infrastructure to chinas.... people complain so much yet the government servers its own people.
1. the wage of Chinese auto worker is rising raptly.
2. BYD don't rely on subsidy.
I would not buy any made in China car....
People once said that about Japanese cars 😉
Well your choice of vehicle will be greatly diminished, have fun looking
Chinese car companies will do well in Europe because they will be priced for most people to be able to buy. Greed runs the European car industry and now they will pay the price for over charging the public for years . That is if we are given the chance to buy them or if the robbing car companies are protected by our governments ?
Chinese labor is so cheap and environmental standards so low. EU needs a carbon border tax.
That's nonsense. Just look at the profits and stock valuation of European car companies. If they overcharged as much as you are implying they would be sky high, compared to other businesses.They're not.
It's flawed reasoning.
@@Elusive_Chicken If that is the case , why are car sales down so much all over Europe and why are European car makers so worried if they have a product so good and at the price people can afford ? Not so long ago we were told that diesel cars were the future by our European car makers and look how that turned out !!
@@speculawyer Spoken like a true EU protectionist . What about many of the cars which are assembled in Europe with parts made in China ? Or European car makers who have plants in China ? They can't have it both ways.
@@speculawyer Environmental standards so low? China is producing more green energy than entire Europe combined. Yes, they are still building coal plant, but dwarfed compared to Nuclear, winds, hydro & Solar. Germany just turned the coal plant back online, but decided to shut down its nuclear plant.
From next year there will be evs that are less expensive, the Citroen E C3 costs 22k and is made in Europe, more will come
I get that people don't want to lose their jobs, but I'm sure there were people complaining about losing their horse-related jobs when the automobile first came around. And what happened? They did lose their jobs... and then they found new jobs. Complacency and inertia are no reason to stop progress for a cleaner, quieter (and faster) future.
VW ignored the design and innovation for a long time. Let's see if they will survive this transformation by offering outdated EVs.
Part of the French car industry has started to convert ICE cars to EVs at under €5000 per car and if money is invested into modifying repair garages to carry out these conversions that will speed up the processes and increase their revinue by puting in charging stations.
Tesla is not a "CAR" company. The Germans or the Chinese have better quality EVs, but they do not have "DOJO". Tesla is a battery, Bot, solar, energy storage, car, semi, and mainly FSD for ROBOT TAXI. Everybody on Wall Street is analyzing Tesla on the car performance. By 2035, Tesla and Toyota will be the sole winners.
On March 2, a report released by the Australian think tank the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) shows that in 44 areas involving key technologies such as defense, space, artificial intelligence, and robots, China is clearly in a leading position in 37 areas.
If domestic brands won’t provide the cheaper models of EVs, I say let in the Chinese brands to fill that market niche.
Of course you would say that, my deceptive Chinese friend, "Chow-Chihuang".
Hey, I’d be more than happy to buy a VW ID2all or a Citroen ec3, both targeted to start below €25k, inclusive of taxes and fees, which would translate to about $25k. More than the Chinese know how to make more affordable EVs, but the brands choose to not make them available in the US. Just like Ford killing off all sedans in the US, or VW vowing to pull the Golf out of the US.
There’s still demand, but they want to push buyers towards higher-margin SUVs and light trucks. Even brands that still offer more affordable models (and good ones like Corolla, Civic, Impreza, 3) have few of those on the lot, but many, many more CR-Vs, RAV4s, Foresters, CX-5s & CX-50s.
And shut it with the racist nonsense.
Of all EV automakers ,Tesla is the top who has the least employees per car produced.
How come Tesla wants to fight them? Who wrothe this script? Tesla has open sourced their patents and their own mission is to accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy.
Teslas sold in Germany literally use BYD blade batteries lol
GM and Ford still deeply asleep too
Here are some thoughts to throw in:
1. Resonant inductive charging in parking lots and embedded in major thoroughfares - If you park and your car just starts charging because it wirelessly charges like a modern cell phone, except with a bigger gap because you are using advanced resonant charging, that hugely increases the convenience factor of EVs. Start adding this into bus stops, places cabs stop, major thoroughfares, etc, and you start getting into vehicles that can be in perpetual use without having to stop to be plugged in to charge. Especially with the major thoroughfares, such as the Autobahn, getting this tech embedded in the roadway, you can have smaller, cheaper, lighter batteries in EVs. Smaller and lighter batteries require less energy to push around and in the USA during the Obama administration, this tech was demonstrated with an efficiency of 86%. So totally worth while from an efficiency perspective as well.
2. Gas pumps also do not work in a power outage. However if you have a good charging scheme in place for your EV, your personal EV should be ready to go with 80% charge (or more if say you use LFP batteries) every morning while your ICE car maybe be low on fuel because you only go to the gas station when the tank is low. Plus, say there is a power outage in the middle of the night, if you have a 10-hour window to charge and you get hit with a 'long' 1-hour power outage, you car will still have plenty of time to get to that 80% charge level typical of EV charging for daily grinder use. If something crazy happens and you can't charge at all at night, most people only drive so far in a day, so maybe instead of 80% charge in the morning, you have 60% charge. If you are really worried about charge level, if somehow power is out at home, it is bound to be on at work. I mean power outages are generally local, not everywhere. If anything, a good EV will provide backup power to your home during a power outage as it has lots of capacity that can easily be used for such things with capacity to spare, so actually a plus as most ICE powered vehicles cannot be used as a real backup power source, especially not efficiently. (A Prius can actually be efficient at this.)
3. German EVs are missing other key features - Like range. Not too great with German EVs. Germany really needs to invest more on battery tech in general. People don't trust the longevity of the battery packs in German cars and some of this comes down to not having the most sophisticated battery management as Tesla for example has really advanced battery management to squeeze the most out of those batteries in every way a car needs. EVs need to be able to produce backup power in a power outage, so actually be a plus to have around in a power outage. Even if you have a solar and battery home, an additional battery in your EV can help. German EVs need some better performance like the Teslas usually have great performance pushing you back into your seat.
4. German EVs miss important vehicle types other auto makers have failed to address - Like a pickup truck. While not the biggest thing in Europe, pickup trucks are everywhere in places like the USA and nobody has really captured this market in terms of EVs and plugin hybrids. What is really needed is a plug-in hybrid truck with capabilities like acting as a generator and air compressor; something with good built-in utility and multi-purposing of things. A big thing in the USA market totally missed by Tesla is truck beds generally conform to standard specs so anybody can mount their own thing in the back of the truck in place of the truck bed. Maybe European makers can amend this standard for power and air hookups.
A plugin hybrid approach would also be awesome for camper vans and RVs where the engine and traction batteries are dual purposed as a generator and battery storage to power the living quarters and maybe even tie into solar panels on the vehicle for off grid camping. Plus, the NEMA 14-50 outlet is a high powered outlet common at RV parks in the USA and is often used for EV chargers in the USA. So you get into one plug to do both charging and running the living quarters. Nobody has tapped into these power outlets with their EV design that are everywhere in the USA at RV camping spots and such, but if you do, that is a whole pile of pre-existing "charging stations" just waiting for someone to get smart and tap into it.
Tesla is finally getting into the trucking business. It turns out semi-trucks usually drive fixed routes with the drivers required to take rest breaks at regular intervals, so it is easy enough to plan infrastructure around this. You just need a good enough EV truck and the rest falls into place easily enough. Tesla now has a good enough truck. Can Germany also make a battery powered truck? Except maybe focus on the European market as the Tesla truck is not designed for the European market.
5. Trains are a far more energy efficient way to move stuff around than trucks - What is Germany doing to get say more freight moving by train instead of having piles of trucks everywhere? Are you willing to cut some of the red tape to getting better train infrastructure in place and get serious about doing trains right? (The USA for example while once having a great rail network, has some of the worst red tape around this in the world, but it still does better with freight rail than Germany despite this red tape issue.)
And what does Germany think of the micro-mobility movement around many parts of the world that can make train travel far more practical to more people? As in the train is the bulk mover of people to an area and the micro-mobility gets you the last mile there? After all, your neighbors in the Netherlands ride bicycles everywhere as it is. In the USA at least, bike lanes are going up everywhere and roads are being redone to protect bicyclists from getting run over by cars, something long overdue, but this also helps make other micro-mobility devices far more practical to use in a number of places as they use the same lanes for bicycles.
No you don't understand Jason. You see with EV, have a supply cap on nickel, copper, and especially lithium. In order, for the Germans to have an EV industry they would have have to create the car factory, battery factory, charging stations, and a lithium mine all at the same time because the supply chain will prevent you from having a massive EV fleet.
Tesla, is first the mover and so it has the advantage over the other EV makers. So it is not just building the EV's. Many automakers are like "no f**king" way are we getting into the mining business. Which become very difficult because we need 10 times more raw "Lithium" right now!
@@mandarinandthetenrings2201 The reality is automakers usually don't directly make all that much. What the normal deal for automakers is are supply chain partnerships. So claiming the automakers "need to get into the mining business" is a bunch of malarkey. Even Tesla with their massive vertical integration still has a supply chain. Tesla is not in the mining business either. They lined up the suppliers. Tesla has been very good at lining up suppliers. Why is it the establishment automakers only seem to be able to stick with suppliers for ICE vehicles and fail to line up suppliers for EVs? Now that is the question.
And when it comes to getting all of the raw materials, it turns out we can do this. Battery grade lithium turns out to be abundant and easy enough to get. It is not actually capped. You are not stuck with one battery type either, but instead there are several to choose from and advancements in technology say we can have abundant materials and high density at the same time. You can also do things like plug-in hybrids. Really with plug-in hybrids, considering all of the advancements in LFP batteries, that is a very sustainable battery to make to use in them and the energy density of the batteries are good as well. Iron and phosphates are plenty abundant as as mentioned before, lithium is actually rather plentiful.
I mean these are solved and solvable problems to make even better. The big auto makers just need to get on the ball and do it. It is a will issue at this point, not a technological nor raw material limit.
Wait until Brazil Russia India Indonesia and South Africa hear about EVs.
I'm sure they already have them 😉
How is this a surprise? msot of rare materials are mined in China ..seriously what did Germany expect ..or any other EU country
If The West believes in free market and competition then why so worry of the Chinese EVs? The German big 3s should go head on with the Chinese & American EVs. Why EU is so lack of confidence?
All you can say is state subsidies? Pathetic!
It's true though. China's state subsidies may get Chinese EVs to the west, but they aren't going to be anything more than a blip. Sure, it might affect German manufacturers, but long term no chance.
The Chinese Evs are absolute garbage and nobody is going to keep buying them.
Looks at USA, almost every industry in the USA is subsidised by the govt.
You know your losing when even your state media admits your losing 😂
It is very interesting to note that the European car manufacturers that were pushing clean diesel probably shifted to EVs for fear of being dominated by Japanese hybrid technology, but in the end it was the Chinese EV manufacturers who gained.
I have two electric cars, but I am for people doing what they want. EVs are better cars, and in time people will figure this out. Until then, I think it is wrong for the governments to FORCE people to change. Name a food that your parents forced you to eat that you like.
Broccoli, Rice, spinach, etc etc
I might have the occasional need of a car but you can't get insurance on EVs that have run out of warranty in the UK, as I understand it, due to insurance companies concerns about battery fires, especially whilst charging and therefore, unattended fire risk. This doesn't inspire anyone with confidence in the UK, unless you have a car you don't have to buy or insure. Fleet sales are high on these cars but personal ownership is falling. ICE cars still winning the race too due to very limited charging infrastructure, here.
I'll stick with my bike, for most of my needs.
As you understand it, codswallop.
@@metricstormtrooper I have no interest in cars, you keep dreaming.
You are missing the point. It's not about emissions. It's about total ownership cost. Automakers will switch to EV or die. I don't care what they choose.
I chose ID3 over MG4, despite that ID3 is more expensive because I care about quality and service.
Have to say, I am a bit disappointed by the both the service and quality. A software upgrade took 7 days in the VW garage/dealer. Returned my car with (App) connection problems.
Wow. You can tell this video was made before the "over-capacity" narrative, as the background music is so upbeat.
BYD are selling out their cheapest model here in Sweden. People are not worried about brand when it comes to EVs.
If legacy automakers and corrupt politicians failed to recognise the coming EV and electrification race then you change the politicians and automakers, you don't plant your head to the sand hoping it will go away because it won't.
Fundamentally EVs can be much cheaper to build than combustion vehicles and there are no way around it. EVs were only more expensive in the beginning because you have a niche supply chain going against decades old supply chain, but with China's establishing the EV supply chain this is no longer true.
Supply chain is also the core problem with countries trying to compete with China, Chinese EVs can benefit from China's enormous supply chain that already exist for manufacturing other products, whereas EVs in other countries will have to build dedicated supply chains and the suppliers won't have other customers to drive down cost.
Lastly China has an enormous IT industry, it's own mobile ecosystem and it's own internet services, as such Chinese EV makers can access huge pools of software and electronic engineers to design intelligent features, better electric drive system and AI functionality. Germany's expertise is in legacy mechanical engineering, the country simply lack the talent pool to compete with Chinese engineering.
Western automakers started earlier than China and mistaken their early start for speed, EVs reset everyone to the starting point, now the speed difference is obvious.
What does IT have to do with building EV's other than the role it plays in ANY company?
To be fair, that's far from the craziest Wumao nonse posted here
@@supadupahilton6848 lol the fact that western carmakers didn't know what role IT has to do with EVs is why VW just paid $2 billion for access to Chinese IT software then laid off 2,000 people from their own Cariad software team.
I guess it's not surprising that people used to dealing with 100 year old mechanical technology have no clue how much networking and processing goes into a vehicle with a dozen lidars, radars, cameras, hundreds of sensors all closely coupled with fully digital drive-train and drive-by-wire everything.
@@vlhc4642 For starters, IT (infrastructure support) is not the same as software development. Now Germans, (no I'm not German) are likely the smartest people on earth. Couple this with the fact that've been building cars for about a century, and it's unlikely they would be surprised.
Regarding the software, they have SO many options, ranging from licensing off of Waymo (Google), to hiringa team of Indians (DIRT cheap) to writing it themselves. I don't know ANYONE that would trust Chinese software, let alone pay some exorbitant fee for it 🤣🤣
@@supadupahilton6848 Did you just say IT (information technology) is "infrastructure support"? lol?
Clearly you aren't as smart as the Germans since it's the German Volkswagen board who just paid $2 billions for access (note, not own, just access) to Chinese software,. then fired 2,000 Germans software devs because they weren't as smart. (I'm sure they're all super smart to you, but it doesn't take much do be smarter than you does it).
Oh and Stellantis just spent $1.6 billion for Chinese software from another startup, I believe Stellantis is French-American.
See, building the same thing for a century also means you havne't built anything new for a century, which is exactly their problem.
Yeah you can try license off Waymo if you just want to convert your ICE into taxis, but Waymo doesn't do integrated EV architecture do they? Tesla is the only western automaker with experience in EVs systems, and they're neither competitive against Chinese EVs, nor will they ever license it to you.
As for cheap Indian engineers, lol, yeah good luck with that, this is another case where the Germans were indeed smart than you in paying the amount they did for high quality Chinese engineering.
@@supadupahilton6848yours isn't though.
I Rebuilt a 1991 Geo Metro, its fast and 45 mpg.. Total build cost was $5,500.
Whoopty do.
It's fair to say, private transport is responsible for 5-10% Co2 and BEV still requires lots of Co2 to make and keep running, dependant on energy source circumstances. So if ALL cars were suddenly BEV, Co2 MIGHT be reduced by 2-5%, at best. I do like BEV's for a lot of reasons. Saving the planet myth, not being one of them.
The problem is, whatever the percentage is, it's a part of the emissions problem that cannot be solved without either eliminating private transport or transitioning to EVs.
All things considered, it is among the easier parts of the problem to solve, and if it doesn't get derailed, it will be among the first.
If that's not enough reason, there's also the public health benefits from reduced air pollution, and -- I think equally important -- the improved governance that will be possible in so many jurisdictions currently under the thumb of fossil fuel companies (including especially the US).
Hate to tell you. We can't CONSUME our way out of environmental impact.The tech/opportunity simply doesn't exist. @@davidmenasco5743
A UK wide study in 2020 found that if all cars were electric the CO2 total would be 12% less - 42 million tonnes less of CO₂ into the atmosphere each year on the 351.5 million tonnes emitted in total that year (ICESF Nottingham). Transport is the greatest increase in CO2 generation increasing in the EU by a third from 1990 to 2019! (European Environment Agency).
On average across all EU grids from wheel to well - BEVs were three times cleaner than ICE in 2020 and by 2030 four times cleaner (T&E). Almost all CO2 generation is from use not manufacture. On a clean grid like Norway 6mth of use makes a BEV cleaner than an ICE. A year in the US (Argonne Lab).
The single thing a family can do to make the greatest individual difference is to clean up their transport.
On average across all grids from wheel to well - BEVs are four times cleaner than ICE.
This matters a lot. The Artic will have little summer ice by 2030, and no Polar bears.
The german manufacturers should end building luxury, instead they should return to simplicity and reliability.
Media usually forget where the electricity for all those EVs in China comes from: coal. China is building more new coal burning power plants than all other countries combined. Not very "green".
China is also building more green energy than the entire US grid size.
and they're scaling up green energy to lower their reliance on coal
Germany is recommissioning coal powered electricity plants so your point is.
Claiming all "from: coal" is a misinformation. You have no idea that China is the most aggressive country going Green.
Sometimes, it is not forget, it is your narrative is not true. Forget old narratives that you were told, start learning about the real world. 😅
EU should investigate VW/Daimler/BWM/Tesla in China. ID3 costs 15k in China and 40k in Germany. VW received much subsidies.
In fact, China's subsidies for EV have already ceased in 2022.
It's easy for EU/Van der Leyen to blame China instead of corporation.@@wateryoung2997
Is anyone ready to talk about toxic waste produced in the process of rare earth elements mining? Especially in China. Does going green outweigh the damage to the environment and human health?
Batteries are using fewer and fewer rare earths and did you know oil extraction, transportation, refining and combustion was also really bad for the environment?
@@KidHorn7001 Apart from extraction and processing of Lithium and other minerals used in the batteries, using a lot of water and polluting air and water with heavy metals; the electricity used to power them comes from non-renewable sources such as coal.
So many things we have use batteries so Stopping EVs won’t change how they are mined. If your electricity is from. Oak for your house, then your electricity for your EV is also. No difference until we stop using coal.
Is anyone ready to talk about the toxic waste, immense environmental damages, and to human health produced by the oil industry?
Nothing is perfect, but don't shoot at the (much) better solution!
As opposed to mining fossil fuels plus burning it, but I then suppose the pollution is invisible so you don't have to count that do you?
How bad is the speaker in this video?!
I wont even consider buying one until solid state batteries come alive, and you get 7-800miles per charge with a 5-10min charging time. There really isn't any point in buying one now.
800 miles? Where do you want to go on one charge? You will have to sleep before you drive that much.
The only problems,are price and infrastructure.
it is not certain solid battery can be commercialized.
I get 400 miles in my Tesla model s and it charges from 10-80% in 15 minutes. I only use superchargers on long trips because I leave my house full every day. What is the point of 800 miles of range? That’s just unnecessary
@@righteousmammon9011 it may be unnecessary for YOU, but you don't kow my life, its what I WOULD want to see, i don't want to charge it every other day. I said what I said!
@@keybraker why would i drive that much on one charge? i want to be able to NOT charge it every other day.