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What if Tanjiro Yelled Muzan First? -- Demon Slayer/鬼滅の刃
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
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00:00 - Context
04:53 - Tanjiro first, regular Gyomei
06:13 - Tanjiro first, shorter Gyomei
07:35 - Tanjiro first, Gyomei immediately after
09:01 - Tanjiro arrives last!
10:41 - Tanjiro last, but longer (this one is really good)
I'm going to be completely honest, I wish Tanjiro announced that it was Muzan before Gyomei. That would have made so much more sense and would have been infinitely more badass!
The first to come(gyomie literally know it like 1 week ago) the first to say it
@@jamesaulner8958 but tanjiro saw him like 2 seasons before
@@lopesfig4842 i meant muzan coming.... ubuyashiki talked to gyomie that muzan will 5 days from now, that why i said "the first to come, the first to say it"
Yeah, it makes senses as Gyomei didn't have met Muzan in face before, so how he knows that was Muzan.
@@ZerroR05kagaya prediction. Did you even watch the anime?
100% agree Tanjiro should've been the initial announcement since he has already met Muzan and all of the Hashira were aware of that, in turn would've taken him at his word instantly
makes sense that they would doubt gyomei as they didnt know ab kagaya's play plus hes fuckin blind, however wouldnt of made too much sense for gyomei to know its him and not say it right away since he was fighting him first
I 100% agree with you but it kind of makes sense that gyomei said it first, since kagaya would've probably told him to tell the hashira who he was when the hashira arrived.
@@reva5747 Why would they doubt Gyomei? He's the strongest demon slayer that all the Hashira's unanimously respect.
And he has more rahe held up against Muzan due to the fact he killed ubuyashiki, his entire family, and turned Mexico into a demon
And he was the first to meet Muzan and come out alive after a long time where the last one was Yoriichi
Bro trying to turn 10/10 to 11/10 🙏
glad im not the only one that thought this was the way it should have been done
Same
Don't even watch kny and i thought the same
Same!
The voice actors did great when yelling. You can hear the desperation and anger in their voices.
especially obanai's voice
Yeah compared to the cringe dub
Idk, i think Sanemi is supposed to sound pissed, but he just comes of as yelling sarcastically to me
5:02 Honestly, it makes more sense this way.
Fr
agree.
Yes
100%
fr, it flows effortlessly
I honestly liked the way they had actually done it. Like Gyomei was literally waiting him like a few days. The others including Tanjiro were still in shock and surprise on what happened that I don't think even he can react quickly to that. You can see the expressions in each person's face to realise that they were in shock and disbelief that Kagaya died first of all. All of them except Himejima needed to process all that at that time. So it actually makes sense that Gyomei said it first.
Hmm... Thinking about ur views, I feel that u r correct because fr tanjirou would need some time to realise and process what just happened
I agree. And to add to that, it utilizes breaking Gyomei's usually collected and reserved nature to intensify the situation. Which I think the effect is lessened had Tanjiro screamed first.
I could tell Muzan was more cautious about Tanjiro rather than the Hashira. Probably because Tanjiro was the only Sun Breather. Just look at how he looked at him after he noticed Tanjiro.
A possibility. Could be as well that the moment he saw Tanjiro, may have crossed his mind that he is getting close to see Nezuko.
@@carlleecustodio3277na it’s straight on sight beef between muzan and Tanjiro.. Muzan tried killing all the sun breathers and he gets traumatized every time he sees the potara earrings or any form of sun breathing style… he knows that Tanjiro Carries the strongest breathing style. Hence why he keeps calling Tanjiro by full name lol
@@DerrelTheRealpotara earrings😭
@@cameron5332 lmao just realized I said potara earrings 😂😂. To be fair that would be more traumatizing for muzan if he encountered potara earrings lol
@@DerrelTheRealPotara? Wait, what are they called then? LMAO
I do like the original. Gyomei is the first on the scene so he quickly explains the best way he can. Gyomei announces the demon that attacked is Muzan with the relevant information that his head isn't a weak point. This instantly causes confusion among the hashira as they try comprehend this impossible scenario. Then Tanjiro pulls out his sword yelling Muzan jolting everyone into action. It flows a bit nicer in my opinion.
This is the best explanation and take of this tbh, I believe they were ready to fight, but Tanjiro definitely woke them up because they were still shocked while Tanjiro was ready to fight Muzan. As soon as they heard him and saw him pull his sword out, they reacted instantly.
ya know this makes more sense. When i saw it originally i was a little shook it wasnt tanjiro first
In my opinion the scene is perfect as it is, Tanjiro know who it is but he's still shocked, he wasn't expecting to see Muzan suddenly. Gyomei, being the one already in the fight warns everyone about who that is, after that they say their lines (which in reality happens in their head and at the same time) and together with that Tanjiro regains his composure and attacks.
If Tanjiro did it first they would then think and immediately attack, adding Gyomei talking after that would make no sense, they wouldn't waste so much time. Tanjiro would not state the fact that cutting his head won't kill him, they may all know but it's important to reasure everyone actually knows, which is what Gyomei does.
This scene being this way also shows how not everything needs to revolve around the main character. Gyomei, alongside with the other hashiras, is one of the most important characters and will take a big part in the fight to come, therefore he deserves to be the one ahead to announce everything, he's stronger and has a faster reaction time than Tanjiro, specially cause he's already fighting. If you think about this scene in real time, when they first get there Gyomei will announce immediately who they're dealing with and because of that they will get out of the shock of not understanding the situation and will immediately attack. Putting focus on Tanjiro would basically show he's immune to the shock of seeing Muzan so suddenly. The moment where he looks at Muzan and reacts shows how he's not.
That's why I consider the scene to be perfect as it is, if you read all that thanks I guess, and feel free to say something, this is an interesting thing to debate about.
Amazingly said. I honestly feel the same way. I see the vision from the uploader but not a fan tbh. I just think the anime did it as perfect as can be.
Indeed, it's all about what tradeoff you choose to take
I think it was supposed to show gyomei's authority because how respected he is, they dashed into action without a second thought
This
definitely, it shows gyomei's leadership and their trust on him. It felt like Gyomei announces the final war's declaration. BUT in the same time if Tanjiro were to shout first, it gives the benefit to us viewers since we've been with Tanjiro since day 1 thus it will enhances our emotions wether it is sadness, epicness, or excitements. Showing that the end game is here.
I think tanjiro saying muzan and drawing his sword, to hashira reaction, to gyomei saying 'even if you cut off his head he wont die', to all of them going on the attack is the best ordering. Dropping the gyomei lines of 'its muzan' 'its muzan kitbutsuji' from the whole sequence makes it flow much better and gives tanjiro the spotlight on the reveal.
It does make sense that the rock dude said it first because sick guy told him that Muzan is going to attack in the next five days so be ready, that’s why he got there first
your naming of the charecters is top notch XD Rock guy and sick guy 🤣🤣🤣
@@dishantmahi8061 after watching numerous anime and getting old I just can’t keep memorizing Japanese names with little screen time 💀🤣
@@BlazeEst lolll
@@BlazeEstLmao that’s hella funny
4:52-This is (almost)perfect! This is my new canon. Thank you.
Really like how for 10:32 he made shinobu say kibutsuji and then tanjiro runs in saying muzan. its like theyre saying the whole name together which adds more of a realistic effect or an intense feeling to it.
it's my favorite edit
The last one for sure was way better than the unedited original. Amazing for someone to be able to come up with different view points and be able to showcase them in a way like this.
Nice video, it really shows how little they could have changed to make it so much better
Indeed -- the show is very well done
Glad you like it
@@weedonandscotti enjoy your dedication and passion with editing.
Tbh, if it were me i would let scene stay the same but with a little extra scene in between after Muzan notices Tanjiro and before Gyomei's yelling. Like a subtle mouthing of Tanjiro telling Giyuu while still locking eye contact with Muzan. It would go like this.
* After the eye contact *
Tanjiro: "it's him..."
Giyuu: "What?"
Tanjiro: "Giyuu-san, that's him..." *his hand slowly approaches his katana's hilt*
Giyuu: * *Sudden realization of what he's talking about but it's sounds so unreal to him he wanted him to specify to make sure* * *"Are... you saying that's-"*
Gyomei: *"MUZAN CHO!!!"*
That would have been epiiiic
that makes sense if tanjiro say it first, but honestly, when gyomei shout out that it was muzan, it gave me goosebumps... the same feeling as Tengen shouting to Tanjiro to keep going and jump, back in season 2 vs gyutaro (the last episode). well, iykyk. But Thanks for making the options. It's cool tho.
this is also what im expecting! hahah! all hashiras would be looking to tanjiro hearing him shouting muzan!... and all the realization should be in one frame like a collage or a mosaic. then gyomei will just shout the weakness of muzan..
I didnt think i needed this video to be a thing, crazy how when the ep first aired I was a lil disappointed that tanjiro wasnt the one to say Its muzan glad to know im not the only one.
The fact is that hashiras wouldn’t believe tanjiro that that man is Muzan and they would ask for confirmation, like “tanjiro, are u sure that man is muzan? Or something like that, for the simply reason they don’t see tanjiro as an equal, in fact, the stronger hashira announces that that person right there is muzan, they do not need any more confirmation than that.
Remember that at that point Ubuyashiki is dead, and all of them know it. So in a quick response to that they see Gyomei (the strongest demon slayer) as the new leader because they didn’t know about Kiriya’s existence yet.
W opinion ngl but ubuyashiki did state that tanjiro met muzan face to face and he did see what he looked like so I think they would believe him at a matter like this
@@cinnamonmonkey9381 yes, but even at that point they still seeing tanjiro as an other casual demos slayer to protect, none of them really know that tanjiro is at the same level of them.
Remember that at the beginning of the akaza fight in infinite castle, tomioka was fighting in order to protect tanjiro because he believed that he wasn’t able to protect himself, it is when tanjiro dodges and slashes akaza that tomioka sees he is at a hashira level, and the other hashira realize that when they fight muzan till dawn.
They did not respect tanjiro at all, so they wouldn’t listen to him so easily as they did with Gyomei.
@@peramoreno9060 o alr but I wouldn’t say that the hashira it’s didn’t respect him they just never know how much power he has,tbh once they heard that he was one of the people who defeated UPM6 and UPM4 they should have at least known he could keep up with them and in hashira training arc that he was always the #1 Student
@@cinnamonmonkey9381 that is the fact, they never knew he defeated upper 6 an 4, actually he did not defeated at all, tanjiro couldn’t keep the pace with shoakuten he was barely able to fight against the weaker clones, and so it happened with gyutaro, he only hits the final blew but only because tenge was suppressing gyutaro.
@@peramoreno9060 Alr gyutaro that is valid he could barely even beat daki with Zenitsu and inosuke. But with the hantengu clones I would say he did fight logically and well against them except the hatred clones which he did almost die to and he was able to keep up with the clones especially with the fighting doll/dummy yoriichi type 0
I do think it makes sense that Gyomei announces it first by some points:
1. Tanjiro was not expecting a direct attack from Muzan unlike Kobayashi who revealed this information to Gyomei;
2. Gyomei was there before Tanjiro, the only way for Tanjiro to know Muzan was there was by smell, but since an explosion happened, all he could smell was flesh, blood and explosive as stated by him prior to his arrival;
3. Gyomei landed a fatal blow for most demons and the demon there regenerated his head thus further confirming it was indeed Muzan;
4. Gyomei is the strongest, oldest and most experienced hashira there, his words carry weight among them, he needed to be the first stating it was Muzan in order to conseal any doubts among them.
When Muzan and Tanjiro locked eyes, Muzan should’ve said Tanjiro’s name, and then thats when Tanjiro shouts Muzan’s name in return. That way they are the first to acknowledge each other in front of all the hashira
Muzan also knows Tanjiro is the only true problem since he is the only one Muzan looked at or spoke directly to.
Man I'm really glad that I'm not the only one that thought it could be nice this way
the way ufotable did it is already epic and it gave me excitement but with a slight change like this, it made me have goosebumps, it deliver the feelings even stronger. BUT
Tanjiro got the spotlight in the end because Muzan had his focus on Tanjiro most of the time even stated Tanjiro's full name in the end.
i was so bummed that tanjiro didn't yell his name first.
Gyomei was expecting muzan because the master told him. So as a leader of hashira he announced muzan so all of them are prepared to fight and get the context as fast as possible, gyomei strategized this. While tanjiro got there later with other hashiras, confused what happened and trying to understand the situation . Totally logical and good writing for it to be gyomei. I dont like if they trade logical writing with just mindless hype, because that'll get you movies like fast and furious
its better in the origian
gyomei says it, everyone is shocked, but then tanjiro screams "MUZAAAN" and everyone is like "alright so thats him for sure"
6:17 best
I’m so glad we’re on the same page it would’ve been cooler if tanjiro said it first
this it THE ONLY way it should've been done, it's literally so perfect
I really liked the different editing of this scene, through small changes the viewing experience is renewed and refreshing to watch, as for me after watching this scene many times I feel like the original is still pretty nice, it was Gyomei who connected his attack to Muzan first after Tamayo, i would feel like Tanjirou would « steal » Gyomei’s moment if he abruptly yelled Muzan just after reaching the temple, I really liked the way the scene goes with Gyomei screaming Muzan first, but all the other Hashiras are all stunned of encountering Muzan without saying a word, and it’s only when Tanjirou yelled Muzan second for confirmation that all the Hashiras started to move, I still think Tanjirou second yell is damn badass, because he’s still the one who ‘made’ the hashiras move
Yes exactly! Tanjiro announcing it right after seeing Muzan and before Gyomei would've been much more better!
It's really well made. I think it would be best if Tanjiro yelled muzan first after that they all react and right after gyomei starts speaking but doesn't scream muzan, instead he just explains that if they cut off his head he won't die.
Glad to know I wasnt the only one who thought so. It should ve been Tanjiro, since he's the only one who has seen him face to face before.
Very interesting!! I also got this vague feeling for the end, that order could have been a bit different and it's interesting to see you explore that!
I think it couldve started with tanjiro arriving and looking at muzan, then have gyomei saying the hashira have united, then go back to tanjiro shouting muzan, everyone reacts, then gyomei lastly says his full name and he wont die
that way theres more build up after tanjiro has seen him to shouting his name, and it still sticks with tanjiro first announcing it
I think the best you can edit it to be, given the circumstances, is tanjiro announces first that's it's muzan, they all realize it, and right before they all charge in Gyomei only says this portion of his line, " even if you behead him he won't die". Immediately following Gyomei's line they all charge in with their breathing attacks. another alternative would be Gyomei's beheading line is thrown in while they are already charging.
Thank you for giving me that closure.
Tanjiro saying it first makes it INFINITELY better
TBH I would love it more If Tanjiro yelled Muzan first but they fixed this "issue" by putting a flashback scene were Ubuyashiki told Gyomei all his plans and said that Muzan will be in the mansion exactly in 5 days. Ubuyashikis are known for their extraordinary intuition, it's like they have a skill to see the future thus making sense that Gyomei yelled it first because he was entrusted by the master to lead before the Pillars.
bro i got chills when tanjiro anounces its muzan
I think the proper way is to cut out the hashira reactions and have Tanjiro accounce muzan and they go straight into their attacks after. They should already be 100% pissed that the masters dead and ready to go for the kill without explaination imo
Thank god ! I'm not the only one who thought that
I think it would be good if tanjiro announced it first and gyomei just said "He won't die even if you cut off his head", therefore confirming Tanjiro and giving them the info without talking too much. The original also makes sense too ig because they were all in shock and only Gyomei knew Muzan was gonna attack also it shows his authority.
This is a nice concept but honestly i prefer how the anime did it. Gyomei knows the situation so he'll know what to tell everyone when they get there. From there it follows with everyone being shocked along with tanjiro, gyomei explaining, tanjiro yelling muzan's name, and then all of them charging. Idk I love how it flows together and it makes the most sense for the situation. Also it does gives someone else besides tanjiro a chance to take charge.
I will say, you probably could've taken gyomei's lines out since it feels awkward from where you placed it.
I understand the video essay above , my hypotesis is:
Japan culture, the put important stuff in end, like when writing the most important writer put in bottom. So tanjiro say "muzan" in later solidify his role as MC.
I think tanjiro whispering in shock muzan and maybe Giyu hearing it and then Gyomei yelling it would be cool also.
To be honest, the first time i watched it, i thought that tanjiro would be the first one to shout muzan's name but was surprised when gyomei went first. So thanks for doing this edit because it does sound more impactful and shows more continuity of the story if tanjiro was the first to shout muzan's name, especially after their eye contact
Tanjiro yells muzan
The hashira who question if its him show up - sanemi, mitsuri, etc
Gyomei explains
Hashira who confirm show up - obanai and giyu
Well, i think it could be the same till muzan sees tanjiro and then: tanjiro scream, than sanemi quest himself, then himejima doesn’t scream the first line, only the second that explains that muzan doesnt die, then continue the sequence after sanemi and cuts tanjiro line skipping to tokito starting the atack
i love these arrangements
I literally thought about this exact same thing yesterday literally ty for made it came true
i had the same idea in my head and now i see this on my main yt page, cool sh1t man
I don’t get the discourse around this scene. Gyomei yelling “Muzan” first doesn’t take away from Tanjiro’s scream.
Their screams are for completely different reasons. Gyomei is alerting all the Hashira that the demon in front of them is indeed Kibutsuji as he knew ahead of time because of the Kagaya prediction, and that he can’t die if he loses his head. Whereas Tanjiro’s scream is a moment of rage and resentment
9:00 has the best flow out of all of these. the way tanjiro completed muzan's name. the hashiras are highlighted by not making tanjiro shout first but giving him substantial impact still. the orig just doesn't give much impact to tanjiro.
I really wanted to see that too lol
gyomei took the spotlight and i wanted tanjiro to say muzan first because he was the first to see him in the demon slayer season 1 then gyomei says it and explains he cant die being beheaded
amazing video. thank u for making it! Such a coincidence though, i was thinking "what if tanjiro was the one who shouted MUZAN first"
Gyomei's scream was so awesome so i wouldn't mess with it, i like the idea of tanjiro arriving later 👍🏻
I really liked your 4:50 take, was perfect to me.
Yes, thank god I'm not the only one who think that Tanjiro announcing Muzan first, have more impact than Gyomei...
They animators made the wrong choice having Gyomei announce it first
The Hashira all respect and trust Gyomei with their life, so for him to give the info first as their leader makes more sense for them to attack without doubt. I agree that Tanjiro first is cool and all, but he's not yet acknowledged across all Hashira.
That flows better your a genius
im ngl i like both, but personally im perfectly fine with how it happened.. its more realistic.. (when i mean both i mean the of and the version he in the video liked the best, which i agree was the best aswell)
love all the directions you went. truly a great video and your story telling skills as an editor. great stuff
Bro i was thinking the same thing like crazy
First one was the best one 4:53
The only thing about why the original does work better compared to how we would like for it to 'anime stylistic wise' look, is due to the set up it sets for the last season and movies.
I don't think all hashira are aware of Tanjiro's Sun breathing at this point of time. I don't know if it is spoken in the manga between Hashira about Tanjiro at any point, but in the anime maybe there was the one instance of Upermoon 5 and 4 fight that Mitsori saw Tanjiro use the Sun breathing moves, only one that does know is Uzui but he knows it to a fire element breathing so he could easily chalk it up to learning it from Rengoku. However all these Hashira present as Hashira don't know specifically about it. Giyu did get informed Tanjiro is using another breathing. But I Sanami, Snake Guy, Tokito, Gyomei don't all know of his 2nd breathing style or let alone it's importance. The build up is a much longer run one in the making for when all is revealed and a massive fight happens
Ahhh I see you where your going😏🔥
Makes more sense, also, great concept
It would be super cool seeing the Hashira's reaction to Tanjiro announcing Muzan rather than Gyomei. The Hashira have always been the mentors to Tanjiro, but Muzan's identity is the one thing that Tanjiro knows more than the Hashira.
Loved the video, a great break down of the different ways the scene could have gone down. Can't wait for the movies
I literally thought the same exact thing when I first watched
i was thinkin about the exact same thing because tanjiro the one who met him first so why they made gyomei call him first😂
Bro this is what we ALL Wanted instead of Gyomei yelling "MUZANDOOOO DJCJMJDTBITSHIM" (good shit tho)
I really wished thats what actually happened and In my brain when I was watching it I was so hyped that Tanjiro gonna yell and then disappointment
This comment section is so wild…wdym you guys think Tanjiro saying it 1st would’ve been better? Subjective matter aside it absolutely makes perfect sense to leave the mc for last bc that’s immediately who we’re following up with like do you people not understand story writing? I get that it’s not blatantly obvious why, but like holy bad take to think Tanjiro should’ve announced it just bc he “knows what Muzan looks like”
9:26 damn i felt that one
Awesome stuff! Maybe consider trying adding a J cut so that the explanation is being played with the reactions?
That's a good idea! I'll take some more liberties next time...
I wanted it to be like that when I watched
that was also in my mind that Tanjiro should have shouted the name before gyomei
oh yeah, its like tanjiro cant control his emotions I love it
if tanjiro was first then everyone would jump thats the only sequence that would make sense.the reason it was done the way it was done was to give way to the reactions of the characters while tanjiro made the confirmation then everybody jump.besides gyomei saying it first makes sense since this is done seconds after they arrived he is the only one that has his mind battle ready while others are still questioning what is happening
It's a little tough editing it after the fact, but it should've been first Tanjiro recognizing him and yelling Muzan, all the hashiras shocked to know that it's him, THEN Tanjiro rage charging first with a hinokami kagura technique and all of the hashiras following suit immediately. Maybe gyomei's confirmation statements right before tanjiro charging first, but i personally feel like his statements ruins the whole moment.
it was supposed to be Tanjiro because he was the first guy who saw Muzan face to face... but Ubuyashiki maybe told them that Muzan is coming...
Great Video🙏🏻🔥
I thought I was the only one who felt this way 😅
戲劇張力需要累積，我說的是配樂本身。
敬佩 Ufotable 剪輯師是依照配樂去執行影片剪輯的順序，我是以一名配樂家的角度評論。
影片與劇本的順序可以自由編輯，但是配樂無法，音樂是時間的藝術。
underrated! 🙉
this is how I had pictured it happening, but ufotable did a great job
They sure did
Like this concept of video
I Honestly would prefer Muzan just looking at Tanjiro and saying the dialogue they had in the infinity castle here.
Also It doesn't make much sense for him to be last because in that last scene he's supposed to be at the levels of the hashira, and him getting there late woul pass the opposite idea
Somebody finally agreed with me🐐🔥
I think it's good if gyomei says cause it wouldn't be possible to know head cutting thing....
In the episode where the team finds and begins attacking Muzan, Tanjiro should have been the one to identify Muzan thematically and story-wise. However, another storyline unfolds simultaneously. Ubuyashiki, the leader of the Demon Slayer Corps, has the ability to see glimpses of the future with reliable accuracy. He had a vision of Muzan's arrival. They devised a strategy: sent three of his children away, rigged the building with explosives, invited Tamayo to set her own trap, briefed Gyomei to support Tamayo in closing the trap, and stationed the rest of the Hashira nearby for the final battle. The ground Muzan stood on was a multi-stage kill zone.
Tanjiro screaming Muzan's name to confirm the demon's identity might not be the best storytelling-wise, but it works for me. Another reason why I believe this is a better sequence of events is that it further establishes the recurring theme in Japanese stories: victory isn't dependent solely on the main character's effort, ability, or luck. It’s every character making a contribution, some big, some small, but ultimately adding to the defeat of the big bad or the survival of the great disaster. This also happens at different levels. The arrogance of the other Upper Moon demons, as well as poor decisions and mistakes by the bad guys early in the story, add up too. Despite being overpowered, good strategy, good teamwork, good luck, and the individual sacrifices of the Demon Slayer Corps made the defeat of the Demon Lord possible.
I gotta be honest, both versions work! HOWEVER, Tanjiro screaming Muzan's name first, was more impactful! Aside from him being the main character, he was the first one to see Muzan. Before the Hashira's, and even the Master. It would make more sense for him to scream out Muzan's name. If it ever came to changing a scene while adapting a Manga, THIS would be one of them. That just goes to show how faithful Ufotable are with the source material. I'll give them that. But again, Gyomei screaming Muzan's name is still cool. But Tanjiro doing it first is more badass!