Is Stroke Order Actually Important? | Korean FAQ
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- Опубликовано: 23 авг 2024
- If you’ve learned the Korean alphabet you’ve come across the term “stroke order,” which is the direction that each stroke in the letters should be written. But is this really important? I’ll talk about why I think it is, and it might not be the reason you’d expect.
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I literally write like a robot-
My writing is worse.
MyLameYuta SAME
omg same
So relatable.
I expected the reasoning behind this to be completely different to what it actually was, this honestly really is super helpful & makes sense. I've been struggling with reading handwritten korean by natives for a while now & it is probably because I never bothered to learn the stroke order, as I thought it was pointless, I figured that as long as the letter looks the same, it shouldn't matter. Thank you for opening my third eye Billy!
I know the stroke order but i still find it really hard to decipher some korean handwritings haha
when i first learned to read hangul, i remember staring at the goblin poster and thinking how in the world does that say "도깨비"?
Same, that is the most confusing "handwriting" I have ever seen :D
Couldn't relate more😂
Hahah I started right on that poster too!
I still can't see how the ㅁ in 지금 follows the stroke order, but I guess I just have to believe
It doesn't. That's just another way some people write it. However in this case it's not a challenge for intermediates+ because 지긍 isn't even a word, and being at the start of a sentence it's most likely to be "지금" since time comes toward the front of a sentence.
@@GoBillyKorean omg thank you, I was going crazy over this ahah
Cool. Currently I am writing 한글 just like written font.
Beginner low level right here.
Hey no worries man we all start from somewhere, just keep motivated and try to stay on it. Don't get discouraged! :D
Hahah my handwriting looked very sharp at first but it has gradually gotten more and more relaxed. It comes naturally. How is it now?
This was extremely helpful! I have always struggled with the handwritten style fonts used in some videos. Now it makes total sense how the letters end up looking that way. I will definitely spend more time practicing my stroke order. Especially because im someone with awful lazy handwriting as it is..at least if my order is right it'll be a little more acceptable right? lol
획순을 몰라도 쓰기에는 문제가 없지만 획순을 알아두면 남의 글자를 읽는 덴 도움이 된다... 와 이건 상상도 못했던 부분이네요ㅋㅋ 재밌게 보고 갑니다
What a great video! I’m learning Korean at the moment and I have pretty much watched all of your videos and I would just like to say thanks for helping me because without you I wouldn’t of even been able to say anneyong. Thanks!
when i'm learning hangul, i really give attention on how they write korean stroke order because i thought that it will be me an easy and faster why in writing and it's really does. but after watching this, i learned that it's really helps too in reading. blow my mind to be honest because i thought i wouldn't read messy korean handwriting but to think that i easily read those words your wife wrote earlier is the fruit of my proper learning. Thank you!
Billy deciphering the handwriting for us: "well this one is easy" "this one is clearly a..."
me: .........yes clearly O.O
learning handwriting for a new alphabet is so hardddddd. i must practice reading handwriting more....
Wow I had no idea how useful it was to learn stroke order! Thank you for this video! My korean friend told me it doesn’t matter but I see that it does!
That akward moment when you think you can read Korean really well until you try to read Korean handwriting...
요 was so hard to guess lol thanks for the video, this is very helpful
That 요 is very messed up.
Was just about to skip my lesson on stroke order because "I already know how to write Korean", thanks for the video, Ive now learned proper stroke order!!!
You really are a teacher being able to read people's messiest handwriting! thankyou so much, i was planning on learning and practicing the stroke order anyway because i had heard that 'it is important' but knowing the actual reason why is really good.
Deformation or distortion of stroke order in fast writing is natural. However, if you let others understand your fast writing, then you must master proper stroke order first. Here's how native Korean children naturally acquire handwriting style: Learn appropriate forms first, and they use it in their elementary school. Later, they naturally gets used to writing and then automatically or unknowingly develop handwriting styles. As they get older, they complete their own writing styles. However, if they don't learn proper strokes when they're kids, then their handwriting gets hard to recognize but more like worms. Trained handwriting looks neat even if it doesn't have any clear strokes at all.
"This isn't that hard to read to some" 🤯 If we wrote like that in school we couldn't turn in any papers by hand. We had to write on a computer so the teacher could read it and grade it
It's even more important for Chinese characters. Good to know that it is so for Korean Hangul.
For japanese kanji as well
i've been studying korean for a year and a half now, and even though i know the stroke orders i still always struggle with reading handwriting! did it take you a long time to get comfortable with it?
famke 진주
Same
Heck, I can't read a lot of people's handwriting in _English,_ so struggling to read handwriting in another language is _bound_ to be more of a challenge...
Oh come on, its absolutely normal. I speak 2 native languages and I can't understand people's handwriting in some cases. You gotta admit, some people just have shitty handwriting.
@@태이씨 bro that’s not what i’m saying lmao. korean handwriting is a lot more complicated than just standard font 🫠🫠 u can’t compare that to other languages… also it’s been three years ???
@@ArianaGrandeMegaFan for me its not complicated at all. Have you ever seen the Russian handwriting? 😂
I've watched a lot of your videos like this one and I still don't understand HOW YOU WRITE ALL OF THIS BACKWARDS
It's mirrored. He's really right-handed.
Korea With Kids omg you're really a genius! I think I would never understand it
People coming from Japanese! It took me 1 hour to find a video about the stroke order.
Even though I have no issues with reading "sloppy fonts" I found this lesson very helpful in understanding the roots of what we would call 'running writing' in Western script. It does help with fluent reading greatly indeed!
So interesting! Really helpful!
I’m practicing my stroke order and it’s good😊
thank you billy! stroke order isn't really an issue for me while writing, i picked it up fairly quickly, but i did figure that to read handwriting you need to know stroke order (in my case mainly by seeing how i could read ㄹ and ㅁ applying the order), and sometimes it does help me, but i still have a long way to go before i can actually read with ease haha
우와! This was really amazing. 감사합니다 선생님 빌리.
Are you Korean? Hope you know what your ID name means
@@jimcho9746 한국인 아니예요. But I do know what it means. ㅎㅎ
@@byunTAEuP hope your ID doesn't scare off Billy
@@jimcho9746 하하. Don't worry. He'll be okay :)
2:24 ㅁ 쓰시는거 정말 날카롭네요ㅎㅎ 실제로 정확한 ㅁ보다 저렇게 더 많이 쓰는거 같네요ㅎㅎ
thank you , I've been doing your course and trying to write in the correct stroke order since you talked about it in the beginning . TodayI could read about 60% of the sentence, and though the last few syllables were confusing, but could understand why it was written that way . 감삼니다 !
Forget it, I write hanzi/hanja (漢字 no I’m not writing it in simplified deal with it) and give no craps about which stroke is where and when and what direction.
This is honestly so informative and helpful. I learnt many important lessons from your videos. Thank you for your hard work!
Thank you for explaining this, I didn’t know stroke order was that important but makes much sense now! Need to go back to the hangul lesson to practice more!
This video is so underrated
정말 좋은 조언이네용~
I don't think I'll ever need to write hangul by hand... but I often read manwha that uses "lazy" handwriting so it's helpful there.
I learned hangul from you like 1 year ago so thanks for explaining it so well that I was able to learn it in 2 hours or so😊😊
Very helpful, I despaired of ever being able to actually understand Korean handwriting. Now I think I have a fighting chance😊
Quite refreshing videos today! This one as well as the earlier one!
Honestly, I am starting everything from the beginning despite of learning how to read (somewhat right) and write (barely correct) hangul for a decade now. I realised my confidence got shattered when I can't read korean native's handwriting T.T I think that's because I only learned how to read them thru printed text and from the internet. Thank you so much for these videos, Billy 선생님!
i honestly have seen people struggle in writing and reading that i had to tell them they need to properly get used to writing with the right strokes. now i can simply send them this video they can actually understand what i mean
This was extremely helpful!! Thank you so much!!
This you only learn through practice and trying to write fast yourself to decipher all of the natural stroke tendencies. That is what happened to me. I would not have been able to read that part if I was not practicing writing everyday, since some of the stuff I write end up a little messy some times.
Hand writing 한글 is so complicated for me to read, thanks so much for this video.
빌리 씨 고마워요
Thanks 👏🏼👏🏼 I learned many things from ya 🤩🤩 this my second week of learning 👍🏾👍🏾☺️
I feel like this is especially hard for me because I’m left handed 😭 but I’m practicing and practice makes perfect eventually! Thank you for this video!
This was really helpful! Thank you!
WHOOOAA SO HELPFUL!! 🙏🏻 Thank You! 💜
I've been learning Korean on and off for a couple years now, so my hand-writing looks a little sloppy now when I write quickly ^^" I take it as I've become more comfortable with writing the letters xD
Even though I know the stroke order and how important it is, as a leftie it's simply way too uncomfortable/unnatural to write certain letters the way they're supposed to be written. Therefore I take the liberty of doing it differently 😁✌️
Wow. That was awesome!!! Thank you
That moment when I have known hangul for a long time and I didnt even know stroke order existed in Hangul
I didn't know that Koreans write that way because of stroke order! It takes me forever to read handwritten Korean, and I used to think there's just some secret about written Korean that I just don't know. This video changes everything! Thanks a lot!
Is your wife Korean ?? Did you met her after you learnt Korean ??
He has answered this before. Yes and yes.
Yes
@@prispalos where? Which video?
What video editing wizardry do you do to create the writing on the screen?
he's literally writing on a pane of glass between himself and the camera
no wizardry; he's standing behind glass and it's flipped lol
I think I should make a video explaining this since it gets asked on every one of these videos :D
@@TheClayHarrison If he'd do that he would need to learn how to write on the reverse. I think it's a mirror. Either that or he edit the video using some "mirror tool" option.
He's writing on a glass pane between himself and the camera and then mirrors the footage.
The footage is definitely mirrored because you can see in his slightly older live Korean classes that he's right handed whereas here he looks left handed.
I've been learning Korean for four years now (at universities that teach it very well) but I couldn't for the life of me figure that first word out. I honestly thought it said 지흥 instead of 지금.
Your explanation explained my question recently about hangeul stroke order~ I thought when I write it in a wrong order, Korean would comment or correct me right away~ ㅋㅋㅋ
Your info is very helpful and make sense
I can't still make sense on that ㅁ in 지금. Still looks like a circle. 🤔
Ps, I can read all the words in example, the only that's bothering me is that ㅁ~
Because it seems that the ㅁ don't follow the stroke order...
Hoping I would get a response. 감사해요. :)
That's just another way some people write ㅁ. Also since 지긍 isn't a word, people who are intermediate+ will not think of it as possibly being 지긍. In addition, time is often said toward the very beginning of a sentence, so there are only a few options that it could be. And since 지금 is such a common word, it won't be misread as 지긍.
this is the main reason why i teach my brother how to do the stroke order properly!!! he said that as long as it looks the same it doesnt matter. now i can simply shove this video to my brother whenever he tries to argue with me hahahaha
Agree! Same applies for Japanese, stroke order sometimes is the only reason I can decipher japanese handwriting :)
(and my own handwriting for that matter)
It's so cool
Alternative title to this video: "How to read Korean Doctors' handwriting"
yikes...still looks like a 3 year old firmly grasped a crayon and made squiggles to me. then again thats what my notes look like in english
That's my writing too.
Another life buoy for us learners... thank you Billy. Also, WIFE??! WHY HAS SHE NEVER BEEN ON THE SHOW?
Thanks~ And she doesn't want to be on camera.
What is 지금 집에서 밥을 먹어요? Is it something like 'Right now I am eating rice at home'?
That's right, but "a meal" is a better translation for 밥 most of the time.
엄청난 칠판이네요 이런 칠판으로 강의를 생각한 당신은 천재
This dude's so badass that he can write hangul backwards!
It's actually this: ruclips.net/video/2mf03HhlE6E/видео.html
I, as a native Russian speaker and „writer“, can understand now that the written language actually looks SO differently from the book-version ones....
I feel pity for all xD Well, thanks for the explanation, Billy!
I really need to practice stroke order now.... My writing is not that good!
The ㄷ written quickly looks like the Arabic letter ح.
Omg i nvr thought bout stroke order. This is something i need to learn O.O
3:21 you just wrote a Japanese こ "ko" 🙂
Anyway, this video is helpfull, i hope your day is going wonderfull!
actually they are pretty the same in chinese too
OMG! If this was a class, it will probably be a level 4 for me. I'll stick with grammar for now.
Stroke order is taught typically in the very beginning, along with the alphabet. Learning it earlier is better than later :)
@@GoBillyKorean I actually meant if reading handwritten Korean is a class. Haha! I'm still struggling reading typed Korean, much more if it's handwritten. But yes, I do agree that learning the stroke order is very important. I still have to practice writing more since I still find it hard to keep the spacings between letters and syllables consistent. And, by the way, thank you for all your lesson videos. I'm learning a lot!
Yeah, I don't think I can still read those fast writings even knowing the stroke orders😳😳😳
It takes not just knowing the stroke order, but practice reading/writing it as well :) It will take time, but you can do it!
Its funny because I didn't expect to know what your wife wrote right off the bat.. But I did.
Gosh, I'm deeper than I think..
I need to stop over thinking everything..
so I've seen a lot of advice saying "you should learn stroke order" but almost no resources to, ya know, actually learn the stroke order. Personally I've been looking for different ways Korean people write ㅂ and ㅃ but no luck. Help?
My books, as well as my free beginner course (on this channel) all teach the stroke order :)
man, some letter written do not follow the proper stroke order at all, like the first mieum in jigeum? :(
It follows the stroke order, just much faster.
Even though I learned the stroke order it didn’t help me with the handwriting thing. I hope I’m not alone in this. I can read handwriting better than when I first learned Korean, but I’m still really bad at it…
what if you're left handed? it's more difficult or very unnatural to follow proper stroke order if you're left handed
You can follow the stroke order regardless of what hand you use.
Wait- at around 4:07, how does the ㅁ in 지금 follow the stroke order? Its literally written as an anti clockwise circle as one single stroke which shouldnt be
Yeah, I think it's probably a quirk in his wife's handwriting. Most Koreans I've seen write it like that R he showed.
There're several ways for fast writing for ㅁ: Like "D" as he wrote, like handwriting "n" or like "R", or just square at once.
Even with stroke order that's impossible to read
I feel like i write too neat. Like the letters on a keyboard.
Nod* makes sense.
머 멋있어.
Stroke order is super important. Not just for reading but it is the official way to write Hangul and you always want to do it the official correct way. I think it's so important that when I warm up to study I write the Alphabet in alphabetical order, just to make sure I wont ever forget stroke order or alphabetical order. It's the first thing I do when I study. I write the 40 possible letters before doing anything else and thank goodness the stroke order is not hard to remember.
I must be super slow then, cause I learned stroke order first and I still don't see the 요 at the end and could only read the sentence because I knew part of each word being used...it all looks like doctor writing. Maybe it'll click for me one day 😂
It won't click right away, since even if you know the stroke order you still have to internalize it and get used to seeing it. But later on you'll start to recognize things easier, and you'll notice that things written with the correct stroke order are very easy to read even when written quickly.
This is so cool :D
Before I studied the vocabulary I really studied the stroke order first to tell yah honestly!.🤭😂
Charlie Puth
So basically this is the cursive version of korean
Yes but unlike cursive, in Korean it's very common to see writing like this since it's a much faster way to write.
Is it okay to write the ㄷ with the ㄴ stroke first, then ㅡ ? It comes more natural to me that way. Or does it have to be the other way around.
Also for me writing the ㅂ is like ㄴ + ㅓ instead of four different strokes. Or is that weird? Should I change it?
No, if you write it that way it will cause your letter to look strange when you start writing quickly without lifting your pen. But if you're just writing it down slowly and lifting your pen, nobody will notice the stroke order.
@@GoBillyKorean Thank you so much for responding so quickly !!! You were the first channel I learned from when I started Korean 😊 Have a nice day !!
Yes stroke order is Very very important. You always want to learn the CORRECT way to learn Korean, or anything for that matter. Therre is almost always a right and wrong way to do things. It's just the way it is. Thank you for showing me in your book billy the stroke order, and how to write all the letters. 바로 지금 한자도 배우고 있어요 그리고 30+ 한자를 알아요. 한글 안 힘들어요
I'll just keep reading print.
not the stroke order helps me to read korean handwriting but my own messy handwriting taught me how to read handwriting hahahah
Finally ~~~ someone explained it hehehe 😍
i try my best with ㄹㅈㅉㅅㅊ and they are super big all the time lol well ㄹ is tge otherones are straight more than curved lol ..
Written ㄷ looks like Japanese て (te)
Why do some people have to write so messy 😂
Waaaewww