@@jenzzuffer >watches the video >has communism ever been tried? Lets look at the facts >no because classless stateless society >quotes a communist saying we must keep going >quotes a Marxist professor >quotes left leaning professor >quotes vaush >so as you can tell its never been tried
@@godlikesnake8909 why the fuck would anyone quote vaush, ever, let alone the RCI professors lmfao, have you ever heard Alan woods rant about "marxist academics"?
@@goodoldgrim that’s not… I was saying that most of the times that “communism fell” it was through direct intervention from foreign countries. The book, “Socialism Betrayed: Behind The Collapse of The Soviet Union” by Roger Keeran & Thomas Kenney, is a well researched deep dive into the reasons behind the collapse of the Union. I would strongly recommend giving the book a read, but essentially the idea is that the fall of the Soviet Union wasn’t a natural progression, it was directly influenced by Soviet leadership and their cooperation with Western powers to vertically and un-democratically dissolve the Soviet Union. Beyond that Gorbachev sloppily implemented policies to liberalize their markets and as a result it sent their economy into a death spiral. Beyond the USSR, many other socialist countries are still around. China is becoming an economic rival to the US, Vietnam is still kicking after the war, North Korea exists, and Cuba even through the US’ blockade (which is the primary reason for it’s economic situation) is still around. Plenty of Socialist/Communist societies and governments exist and while many are struggling, much of this is because of trade restrictions and physical wars. To be completely honest there hasn’t been a single socialist government that hasn’t had foreign governments influence, attack, restrict, or generally fuck with their economies and politics.
I would strongly suggest reading: “socialism betrayed: behind the collapse of the Soviet Union” by roger Keeran & Thomas Kenny. The book explains how the USSR fell not through a natural progression but through foreign influence and god-awful leadership. Beyond just the USSR, there are plenty of socialist/communist countries that are still around today. China is becoming an economic rival to the US, Vietnam is still around after the war, North Korea exists, and Cuba even through the US’ blockade, which has caused most of their economic issues, is still around. To be honest there hasn’t been a Socialist Country that didn’t face foreign government influence, attacks, or restrictions. That makes it hard to know if Communism could truly succeed, but to say that there is definitive and good proof that communism or socialism can’t succeed ever would be to blatantly ignore the fact that: 1.) During the Vietnam war a significant amount of civilians were killed by the US and the spraying of agent orange over nearly 25% of southern Vietnam has had greatly negative affects on the country. 2.) The US bombed North Korea to the point that ~20% of their population was wiped out and 85% of buildings were destroyed 3.) The US blockade of Cuba has denied access to medical and food supplies to the civilians, all while making it so any country that trades with Cuba faces restrictions with trade in the US, which has a much larger market and far greater influence. That’s not even to mention the countless assassination attempts on Castro, the bay of pigs, and the myriad different operations the CIA attempted in Cuba. These countries don’t develop in a vacuum and most of them have been the victim of foreign interference so how can you say they failed entirely of their own volition.
@@ThatChimpBoy so communism can't succeed in the real world, only in books - glad we agree. USSR falling through god-awful leadership doesn't change anything. Communists are consistently god-awful leaders is what we've seen from history. I'm not saying it can't work in theory. Just that we're no closer to a practical version than we were in the 19th century.
If the negative commenters where honest: -Do I believe Communism failed? Yes. -Am I capable of actually have my own opinion after years of capitalist propaganda? No. -Have I read any books? No, I don't have time nor energy, and much less money to pursue my interests but god saves all capitalists. 😢😢😢
@@ambasutori9053 You can read about project Cybersyn and there's also a video on this site arguing that the Soviet cybernetics program would have succeeded if only x, y and z... Same predictable garbage. Like I said, the price discovery problem.
@ThatChimpBoy Learn your history. Marx, Engels, Lenin,and Trotsky all were j e ws. 90% of the first Sovjet leadership was J E w I s h, they killed 66 million Christian Russians. Bet you never learned that in history class.
@ThatChimpBoy Le arn your history. M arx, Eng els, L enin,and Trotsky all were j e ws. 90% of the firs t Sovj et leadership was J E w I s h, they kil led 66 milli on Christian R uss ians. Be t you never learned the in his tory class
@@LuziferneLenin was just as much as a despot, just a firm believer in the principal of collective leadership so the famines executions expropriations and general murderousness was done by the politbureau rather than just the general secretary
@@kenon6968the famines were because of the civil war and because the level of agricultural production was very low in the tsarist state, which you can't make up in a few years. The Bolsheviks ordered the acquisition of wheat because it was necessary to feed the troops and workers in essential sectors, you can't really blame Lenin or the Politburo for that, it was absolutely necessary to win the civil war, but it led to famine because it coincided with a combination of scorched earth by retreating white troops, generally inefficient agriculture, bad weather and the general difficulty to distribute stuff during a civil war.
@@kenon6968also the whites probably executed more than the reds during the civil war, but you can't really fight a large-scale civil war without execution and of course there is not always time for a proper trial in this special situation.
Correct, in fact no communist will deny that, contrary to other ideologies that think they live in "democracy", while living serving oligarchies. At least commies are honest lol.
NO BUT IT CAN LIKE YOU DO THE DICTATOR SHIP AND THEN EVERYONE IS LIKE OMG WHY DON'T WE SHARE RESORUCES COZ WHEN EVER YOU HAVE A TOTALITARIAN STATE PEOPLE DON'T WANNA CONTROL EACH OTHER ALL OF A SUDDEN
> does not watch the video
> yes it failed
> leaves
based
@@jenzzuffer >watches the video
>has communism ever been tried? Lets look at the facts
>no because classless stateless society
>quotes a communist saying we must keep going
>quotes a Marxist professor
>quotes left leaning professor
>quotes vaush
>so as you can tell its never been tried
@@godlikesnake8909 why the fuck would anyone quote vaush, ever, let alone the RCI professors lmfao, have you ever heard Alan woods rant about "marxist academics"?
@@ambasutori9053Clearly not . Well put comrade. Precise, yet sharp.
You weild words like a blade comrade
Quick answer: Yes
Yepp
Mannnnn these comments go crazy, y’all need to read more books
Did communism succeed in the books? XD
@@goodoldgrim that’s not… I was saying that most of the times that “communism fell” it was through direct intervention from foreign countries. The book, “Socialism Betrayed: Behind The Collapse of The Soviet Union” by Roger Keeran & Thomas Kenney, is a well researched deep dive into the reasons behind the collapse of the Union. I would strongly recommend giving the book a read, but essentially the idea is that the fall of the Soviet Union wasn’t a natural progression, it was directly influenced by Soviet leadership and their cooperation with Western powers to vertically and un-democratically dissolve the Soviet Union. Beyond that Gorbachev sloppily implemented policies to liberalize their markets and as a result it sent their economy into a death spiral.
Beyond the USSR, many other socialist countries are still around. China is becoming an economic rival to the US, Vietnam is still kicking after the war, North Korea exists, and Cuba even through the US’ blockade (which is the primary reason for it’s economic situation) is still around.
Plenty of Socialist/Communist societies and governments exist and while many are struggling, much of this is because of trade restrictions and physical wars. To be completely honest there hasn’t been a single socialist government that hasn’t had foreign governments influence, attack, restrict, or generally fuck with their economies and politics.
I would strongly suggest reading: “socialism betrayed: behind the collapse of the Soviet Union” by roger Keeran & Thomas Kenny. The book explains how the USSR fell not through a natural progression but through foreign influence and god-awful leadership.
Beyond just the USSR, there are plenty of socialist/communist countries that are still around today. China is becoming an economic rival to the US, Vietnam is still around after the war, North Korea exists, and Cuba even through the US’ blockade, which has caused most of their economic issues, is still around.
To be honest there hasn’t been a Socialist Country that didn’t face foreign government influence, attacks, or restrictions. That makes it hard to know if Communism could truly succeed, but to say that there is definitive and good proof that communism or socialism can’t succeed ever would be to blatantly ignore the fact that:
1.) During the Vietnam war a significant amount of civilians were killed by the US and the spraying of agent orange over nearly 25% of southern Vietnam has had greatly negative affects on the country.
2.) The US bombed North Korea to the point that ~20% of their population was wiped out and 85% of buildings were destroyed
3.) The US blockade of Cuba has denied access to medical and food supplies to the civilians, all while making it so any country that trades with Cuba faces restrictions with trade in the US, which has a much larger market and far greater influence. That’s not even to mention the countless assassination attempts on Castro, the bay of pigs, and the myriad different operations the CIA attempted in Cuba.
These countries don’t develop in a vacuum and most of them have been the victim of foreign interference so how can you say they failed entirely of their own volition.
@@ThatChimpBoy so communism can't succeed in the real world, only in books - glad we agree.
USSR falling through god-awful leadership doesn't change anything. Communists are consistently god-awful leaders is what we've seen from history. I'm not saying it can't work in theory. Just that we're no closer to a practical version than we were in the 19th century.
Yes
The stronger the socialism, the safer the peace!
No. It's alive and well and coming for the West. Thank the Dems
ya
If the negative commenters where honest:
-Do I believe Communism failed? Yes.
-Am I capable of actually have my own opinion after years of capitalist propaganda? No.
-Have I read any books? No, I don't have time nor energy, and much less money to pursue my interests but god saves all capitalists.
😢😢😢
Frfr
ironic since people that have spend years under communist propaganda still hate communism
100%
Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on us and our world ☦ 🙏 🌍 🙏✝️
Yes. It’s more offensive to ask this than it is to say “did the third reich really fail?”
Lol keep whining and downplaying fascists pffft
"Did communism really fail?"
"Yes"
"What are your arguments for it?"
"China"
China hasnt been even socialist since *checks notes* the early 80s-
😂
yes, it did!
The price discovery problem seems clear enough.
You mean the economic calculation problem?
@@ambasutori9053 Next video: "Did cybernetics really fail?"
@@DolphLongedgreens Cybernetics aren't a socioeconomic system though are they?
@@ambasutori9053 You can read about project Cybersyn and there's also a video on this site arguing that the Soviet cybernetics program would have succeeded if only x, y and z... Same predictable garbage.
Like I said, the price discovery problem.
Yes.
Cope
Yes. I thank the Lord every day my parents both managed to escape communist dictatorship
Yes it did fail. Jews.
@ThatChimpBoy Learn your history. Marx, Engels, Lenin,and Trotsky all were j e ws. 90% of the first Sovjet leadership was J E w I s h, they killed 66 million Christian Russians. Bet you never learned that in history class.
@ThatChimpBoy Le arn your history. M arx, Eng els, L enin,and Trotsky all were j e ws. 90% of the firs t Sovj et leadership was J E w I s h, they kil led 66 milli on Christian R uss ians. Be t you never learned the in his tory class
@@hejzr1 Jews?
Bellend
It was leninist state that failed which followed capitalist division of productive labour,communism was never tried and remains a book story'
Oh, Lenin instated Communism in the Council-state of Russia. It was but cut short by Stalins counter revolution and his bonapartistic Dictatorship.
@@LuziferneLenin was just as much as a despot, just a firm believer in the principal of collective leadership so the famines executions expropriations and general murderousness was done by the politbureau rather than just the general secretary
@@kenon6968the famines were because of the civil war and because the level of agricultural production was very low in the tsarist state, which you can't make up in a few years. The Bolsheviks ordered the acquisition of wheat because it was necessary to feed the troops and workers in essential sectors, you can't really blame Lenin or the Politburo for that, it was absolutely necessary to win the civil war, but it led to famine because it coincided with a combination of scorched earth by retreating white troops, generally inefficient agriculture, bad weather and the general difficulty to distribute stuff during a civil war.
@@kenon6968also the whites probably executed more than the reds during the civil war, but you can't really fight a large-scale civil war without execution and of course there is not always time for a proper trial in this special situation.
@@rfvtgbzhn you can very much blame lenin and the politburo for that because they are the ones that ordered it lmao
Yes, it did. Every time in fact. Your Ideology cant function without dictatorship
No. That's why it failed when it was tried. It 'devolved' into authoritarianism.
Correct, in fact no communist will deny that, contrary to other ideologies that think they live in "democracy", while living serving oligarchies.
At least commies are honest lol.
NO BUT IT CAN LIKE YOU DO THE DICTATOR SHIP AND THEN EVERYONE IS LIKE OMG WHY DON'T WE SHARE RESORUCES COZ WHEN EVER YOU HAVE A TOTALITARIAN STATE PEOPLE DON'T WANNA CONTROL EACH OTHER ALL OF A SUDDEN
Except the countless times that it did.... Reading some history really wouldnt hurt yall ngl.