PAC-T testing 6.5 Grendel Bullets: Fort Scott Tumble Upon Impact and Barnes TAC-TX
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- Опубликовано: 6 сен 2024
- In this video we test two rifle bullets for the 6.5 Grendel; the Barnes 115 gr. TAC-TX and the Fort Scott Munitions 123 gr. TUI bullet. This test includes precision, accuracy,
consistency and terminal performance using 20% ballistic gelatin.
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Great video! I'm looking to run all sorts of ammo through my Howa 1500 and this test you've done helps out a lot. The perfect mushrooming of the Barnes makes it a definite option in my quest for the best. Thanks!
Thank you. I think highly of Barnes bullets and this one is my go to round for the 6.5 Grendel.
I have used the Fort Scott Munitions TUI rounds in many different hunting applications. I have been able to successfully harvest whitetail deer and black bear with the TUI ammo and have been very happy with the accuracy with them out of my firearms. Since you like to load your rounds for your firearms, maybe you could try loading the TUI projectiles for your firearms to see what kind of accuracy you come up with. They do sell their projectiles on their website.
Hello Phillip
Thank you for watching and posting. I did not know they sell the TUI bullets. That is great to hear, especially after first reading that you used these on deer and black bear successfully. That is really encouraging. Thanks again for the info!
I have used the Barnes TTSX for many years with great success on hogs of all sizes. I use the 100-Grain TTSX in 6.5 Grendel and the 130-grain TTSX in 308 at near-maximum velocities. I unexpectedly ran across a huge Aoudad ram while hog hunting with my Grendel. I shot him at about 150 yards quartering away well back from the shoulder angling for the opposite shoulder, He only went about 75 yards before dropping dead. This was easily a 300-pound animal and Aoudad are known for their ability to absorb bullets. I am looking forward to trying the new 115 TAC-TX in my Grendel as they are designed to expand at lower velocities than the TTSX. It would be great to see how that Barnes bullet does in gel at 300 if you ever have time. Thank you for the great video it was very informative.
Thanks for watching and posting BigJimmy6690. Your hunting notes are very encouraging to hear. While I have not hunted with the 6.5 Grendel yet, I am hoping to use it for an Antelope hunt (when I can drawn a tag that is).
I did test the 115 gr. TAC/TX in a gel block torso at 100 yards and it was really impressive. Barnes has another excellent bullet in the TAC/TX.
2.38" MOA is "Not too bad"? What am I missing. I shoot 1" MOA with Factory ammo all day long. I shoot 0.5" with hand loads. I sure would love to see terminal tests at actual hunting distances. What it does less than 50 yards away is pretty much useless.
Thank you for this review. Picked up a 6.5 Grendel (Ruger American Ranch) and the only rounds the shop had were the TUI ones which I’m very skeptical of for hunting.
Thanks for watching and posting. I agree. There are better bullets for hunting with the 6.5 Grendel (like the Barnes bullet we tested in this video).
Not cool with 5.45 maiming for effectiveness.
But it works.
Never seen the Ft Scott actually deliver it.
I have to ask where 6.5 Ammo is being sold? I have now started reloading a few here and there when I can find the bullet's.
It's hit and miss now Rob T. The last box of factory ammo I bought was from Midway USA. I think we need to reload for this caliber. Thanks for watching and posting.
PSA now has 6.5 Grendel under their house name: AAC. They've got OTM, tipped, and FMJ options at 0.70 - 0.75/rd (currently). All brass case.
I would love to see you try the 120 grain nosler balistic tip it has consistently given me 1/2 moa accuracy and I have pushed it out to 600 yards with a 5” group. I like it so much I called nosler and told them so. I have no experience taking game with it and would really like to see what the terminal ballistics are like.
Hello Heywire, Thanks for watching and posting. I will watch for this bullet and see if we can do a test with it in the future. My experience with Nosler bullets (Partition) is that like so many other lead core bullets they tend to shed weight in the target (game animal) and frequently lose 50% of their original weight making them less than ideal for hunting compared to Barnes bullets. I wonder if the newer ballistic tip might hold together better.
Thanks for the idea.
BTW Heywire. That is an excellent group (5" at 600 yards). Clearly sub-MOA.
@@sdkweber Cavity back makes the best ammo in 6.5grendel. 118grn out of 18in barrel at 2550fps. Really great for barrel length. And they claim expansion double the dia to 1500fps. Federal fusion is also great.
@@sdkweber Sellior @ Bellot just started making 6.5grendel. It's only 120grn fmj but uses small rifle primers. For reloading. Unlike ppu and wolf brass that use large rifle primers.
@@jjjr.1186 Hello and thanks for the note. I have not heard of Cavity Back before but see they are in my neck of the woods, Bozeman MT and their 118 gr. does look interesting. I cannot find the Federal Fusion now but did some Alexander Arms 6.5 the other day as well as some Barnes factory ammo. I reload and am looking for a bullet that performs well in this rifle. Right now, the Barnes TAC-TX has not been beaten.
Would be concerned on the TUI bullets exit on game. Where is it going next?
The straight path of the Barnes bullets (and others) is my preference for hunting. Either bullet though is going to end up on the ground shortly after exiting. The only thing is, we are unsure of the path taken to get there when a bullet tumbles.
Just my thinking but I believe that the Barnes expanding would cause more Hydro shock damage than the tumbling would. Just my opinion.
I agree with you Larry. Being a hunter I really like the deep, straight penetration and expansion of the Barnes bullets. Lethal without a doubt. I do not have that experience with tumbling bullets. Perhaps just as lethal but if it tumbles away from the vitals that will not result in a quick, clean kill
I have these TUI but I haven't tested them yet. I thought they looked pretty good, I think the tumbling will be pretty devastating if you hit center mass.
I have a high quality Grendel with a 20 inch barrel and a really good trigger and an LPVO scope.
I'm probably just going to do target shooting but you never know.
I am second guessing my choice of grendel over 6 ARC but I'm still not sure since only Hornady makes ARC ammo.
I'm looking now at the Privi Partizan ammunition. From what they show on their site it looks like it's some pretty hot stuff and since Grendel is not very fast I think that might be a good thing. I went with 20" on my barrel to try to get some more velocity out of it. But with a thick barrel it makes a pretty heavy rifle. Especially with a bipod and a heavy scope.
Very different cartridges really. i have a .243 Win (6mm) and you are effectively limited to a 100 gr. bullet with 90 gr. being the sweet spot for my .243. The Grendel offers you much heavier bullets and mine shoots very well with the 115 gr. In many ways, the 6.5 mm is better than the 6mm, so I think you made the right choice.
Thanks for watching.
@@sdkweber The ARC is a necked down Grendel and most of them are 108 grain. I like that the Grendel keeps its energy way down range. The 18 inch is a great choice.
just out shooting the fort Scott rounds today 123 grain. brand new Grendel hunter upper and at 100 yards they were all over and when I say all over I mean like 10 inches. Now do I know if its my gun and not the ammo, no I have no idea gotta try some other ammo before I see if there's something wrong with the gun.
@@Drive-Elegant-Co That doesn't sound normal, what is the twist rate and length of your barrel? I've seen other tests of this ammunition and it didn't seem to do that. A 10-in spread at 100 yd is pretty extreme. Even steel cased Wolf is going to do a lot better than that.
@@Drive-Elegant-Co Thanks for the note. We would be interested to know if it is the rifle or maybe just one of those bullets your rifle does not like. I have had trouble with some bullets in my rifles in the past too. A follow up would be great.
Thanks for watching.
I actually just got some of this tui in from ammo squared I had a subscription for hunting/defense ammo. You never know what they will send usually in the past I got the Hornady sst. But got this instead this last time. I just wonder at what velocity does it quit tumbling and just poke straight through like an fmj. I’ve played with the Barnes 115gn and out to 350yds from my 16” barrel with a muzzle velocity of 2510fps im still getting decent expansion but almost 0 expansion at 400yds. On the other hand the Hornady sst and eld expand great at 400yds but I don’t like the sst and eld under 200yds because it fragments to nothing. My favorite 6.5 Grendel bullet that works excellent 0-500yds is the federal 120 grain fusion or 120gn Speer gold dot. Unfortunately federal discontinued it and Speer is always out of stock.
Sounds like we are in the same boat. I really like the 115 gr. Barnes but have not tested out to 400 yards (350 yards tests for precision). We will be releasing a video on the new V-Match from Hornady in just a few weeks and you might be interested in that video also.
@@sdkweber yea I haven’t seen anything on the v-match. But yea the 115 grain Barnes is great out to 350yds still getting .410 expansion. But at 400yds it’s going to slow to expand however seem to be pretty accurate. If you want something really accurate with a little more velocity I like the 105 and 107 grain sierra game and match kings. Just depending on powder charger I’m getting 2600-2700fps from my 16” barrel and .3” groups at 100yds with one of the loads.
@@justa3v619I have not tried the Sierra bullets in this rifle. Thanks for the note. What powder are you using (I am using H335 for my 115 gr. Barnes loads).
@@sdkweber h335 cfe223 and Hornady leverevolution
@@sdkweber btw if you are looking for a good bullet for hunting or defense I was just on midway USA and they have the 120gn Speer gold dots in stock. First time I’ve seen them in stock for years. And by far the best performing bullet I’ve tried in the Grendel as far as terminal performance. They can be quite accurate too. Easily can get sub 1.5 moa groups at the same time getting excellent expansion from 0-450yds. Also really good weight retention since they are bonded. I still haven’t worked up a good load for this bullet since I only had 100 to use over the last 6-7 deer seasons but I do have the load I hunt with avg velocity 2460fps which seems to be plenty but I’d like to try and push it a little faster eventually
I'd be very interested to see a ballistics gel test using a custom load with the TUI that puts the velocity on the low end of the hunting spectrum, say 1500 fps. With traditional bullets, impact velocity is crucial to getting good performance out of the bullet. In theory the TUI should be impervious to impact velocity since the wound channel is caused by tumbling rather than expansion. This could in theory extend the effective range of many hunting rifles provided shot placement and accuracy is good. I'd be a little concerned that the bullet would veer out of the path of the vitals though.
Do you mean 1500 fps at the target perhaps at 100 or 150 yards?
@@sdkweber I'm thinking of replicating the impact that would normally take place at say 600 yards much closer to the shooter to make hitting the block and evaluating results much easier. I belive that bullet should be doing about 1500 fps at 600 yards based on your stated MV.
@@TierNoneOperator I see. Yes, that is a good idea, but reloading at that much of a reduced load could be dangerous. It would be better to place the block out at distance and test it there. Clear Ballistics does make a larger block for this purpose but it is quite costly.
Thanks for watching!
@@sdkweber Not sure why it would be any more dangerous than any other custom load. I have several worked up for my Grendel that are subsonic. No issues whatsoever, they just don't cycle my gun. Which is fine.
@@TierNoneOperator What powder are you using? With H335 the minimum charge still gives me over 2200 fps at the muzzle, which is a long way from dropping below 1100 fps to keep it sub-sonic.
Have you ever tested the Barnes in ballistic gel at 100 yards to see if it still expands enough to hunt with?
I did. But did not make a video of it. The Barnes TAC-TX was very impressive at 100 yards. It should be a good choice for Pronghorn and deer (I used it this year for deer, but unfortunately did not see a buck this year), and I bet it would do well on hogs also.Thanks for watching and posting.
@sdkweber awesome! Thanks for responding so quickly! Trying to find a round for my 7 year old to deer hunt with.
@@patrickw8723 The 6.5 Grendel could be ideal. Very light recoil and with these bullets, excellent terminal performance. Keep the shots within 300 yards and it should be excellent.
What length barrel is that?
This is an 18" barrel. I did a showcase video on this rifle. You might be interested in this video as well ruclips.net/video/MM7SehmdrG4/видео.html
Did I miss what barrel length you are using?
It is an 18" barrel. Thanks for watching.
The Fort Scott is based on the M855 which also tumbled upon impact and caused increased damage as it buzz-sawed around inside or through the target. In war you aren’t too concerned about the loss of meat…
The M855 is different. It was designed to to fragment and not to tumble plus it has a steel core. The Fort Scott TUI is a hollow point bullet that is designed to tumble. We did a PAC-T test on the M855 which you can watch at ruclips.net/video/2sYnCyQlz5U/видео.html
How many targets animals you realistically shoot at 7 yards? Waste of time
No, most certainly not a waste f time. We test bullets at close range because if a bullet has a design flaw it will manifest those flaws at high velocity (i.e., close range). Secondly, if this bullet were used for home defense then 7 yards is a common distance seen in these events.
@@sdkweber that’s brilliant use a 6.5 Grendel in your house with bullets designed to penetrate! I wonder how many of your next door neighbors you’ll kill in the process 👏🏼🤡