Confronting Destiny On His Racism Messaging And Goals
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- Опубликовано: 15 сен 2024
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As a black man, you beothers need to leave this black queen Destiny alone✋🏿. She is the most educated.💅🏿👏🏿🙌🏿
She really is....
I stand this Black Queen Destiny
Aba and PREACH 🙏 Destiny is a strong, smart woman of the community
😂😂
@@lorenzojoseph3695 Amen! and that's on intersectionality PERIOD!
I stopped taking this person seriously when they cited Ibram X Kendi. Thats a forest fire level red flag right there.
@@AkaiKnightWell, he made up his own name, so who really knows at this point?
@@AkaiKnight the guy who wrote a book saying the only cure for past racism is current racism.
@@AkaiKnight He's another anti-white midwit like Tahini Coates and Robin DeAngelo.
@@AkaiKnight its a guy wich definition of racism includes the word racism and doesnt see why thats not a definition
Yeah Kendi is an automatic big red flag
Imagine being in 2020s America and claiming people "don't talk about race." Its *all* we talk about my dude.
Honestly, the degree to which y'all's public discourse is centered on race is fucking unnerving sometimes
Sincerely,
A Brit
It's spilling over into the UK as well. It's starting to colour a lot of our discourse no pun intended.
@@Imperial_Squid My black sister is 53. She hates BLM. She told me in th 70's and 80's America didn't talk or care about race. Maybe in Mississippi in 1973 but the broader culture. She said she misses that time.
Based on my experience, he probably means that people aren't talking about it in the right way, that people are missing the point so badly that it's effectively like not even talking about it at all.
we all know, everything is about the race and for the race.
wait is destiny racist? I thought she was a black woman
women* she goes by she/they
she is white liberal women that frees the nip
That doesn't stop Annalicia...
The blue haired Candance Owens
mmmmmm
"Racism didn't exist before 1600...its true I read it in an Ibram x Kendi book"... yikes.
Ah yes the direct quote, thank you sir
Man it's almost like conservatives are right about crt and wokeism
@@wordshurt2676 It's not Conservatives, it's just NORMAL PEOPLE who aren't complete fucking assholes that just drag around this cloud of social miasma that makes everyone miserable.
Which is a WILD assumption. Slavery or other races has been going on for 1000s of years
I'm sorry whenever someone says, "whiteness or blackness" and you can't talk about race because you haven't read 7 CRT books, I don't think your going to get through to anyone.
"You can't talk about it because you haven't consoomed enough propaganda as if it were facts, so you might be disagreeable"
you are so wight... i mean right. that's why we stopped talking to y'all 😁
@@indivijewelthoughtz1150thank god.
It’s called merit, rather not believe someone who can’t read more than 7 books in their life.
@@justzeroborosreading 7 books that are quasi propaganda doesn't help anyone learn.
Here to educate people on racism; can't actually explain anything, but knows which ten books you need to read on the subject before you understand anything about it.
"educate yourself"
It's hilarious to have this take, even after Destiny himself had an "ah ha" moment about race immediately after reading the Cleopatra article. 😂☕
Talk about unintentionally proving someone's point...
Contrabandwagon only does racism content. Making a career out of it is going to put financial incentives to maintain an unhealthy bias and put all his research conclusions as conflict of interest.
Oh look I studied ten books written by other people making a profit out of amplified racism. So I guess this exhaustive research needs to be cited as proof for my business content.
I can explain every book I’ve ever read in a simple and plain way, at the least my perspective on the book. It always blows my mind when people can’t. Even if you just explain “what I took from this book” you should be able to do that in less than 50 words. Or am I being weird and some people just absorb books different?
@@eeyun5279 every book explains what the book is about on the back.
Cleopatra was a women and thats enough for me to hate the new netflix show.
REAL
Based
AND LOGIC
GIGACHAD TAKE!!🗣🗣
Finally, some logic
I don't know how these people dedicate their lives to a topic and fundamentally misunderstand how to communicate their points effectively.
Honestly it doesn't matter how you dictate it to people. Even destiny always Steelmans whiteness because you have to be careful of white feelings. In return, that care isn't reciprocated in reverse. You can't go in any chat about any mundane thing dealing with black culture/people and not see dog whistles and bigotness
He doesn't seem like he's actually dedicated.
He did just fine really. Destiny fanboys will be unable to positively perceive anyone's POV if it seriously disagrees with Destiny's. He's not an ineffective communicator, he and destiny just disagree, and destiny's fan base is biased towards him.
@@majorlaser4600it’s easy to be biased to the correct position.
@giovalladares1022 destiny's position is your right, but be nice to people. Bm says yt people can be purposely ignorant. Destiny says how, it's not happening. Bm brings up books banning which leads to ignorance, goes over destiny's head
There is massive irony in this guy talking about being bullied for not being "black enough" and then whining about "whiteness."
Why do black youth correlate manners and respect with white? I think bullying/shaming good behavior might be part of the problem.
Seems like both are completely compatible
@@grizzly311tr no father in the house
@@grizzly311tr You know why
I don’t think that’s irony. If whites are racist to blacks, so blacks band together to deal with it, they might exclude blacks they feel are too close to whites. It’s the same phenomenon as “uncle toms” in the slavery days. You can claim it doesn’t exist, but it’s not irony.
34:26
contraband "she made a racist statement"
Destiny "she made a racist statement, ok, what are we talking about here?"
Contraband "you know, I don't remember the details, it's all recorded."
Bro it's so important that you can't remember? Come on
Cleopatra was not black she was greek
But the Viking's first king of all Norway was a black African woman. I know because Vikings: Valhalla taught me.
@@Durzo1259 Thank god for modern television teaching us the TRUE history of how "diverse" Europe has always been. Its a wonder how racism even began considering how familiar our ancestors where with black people. Its also sorta crazy because only Europe seems to be a historically diverse continent, weird. like for some reason Africa, Asia and the middle east don't have white people there historically, funny that huh. Its almost as if our modern culture is having a direct influence on how we perceive our own history.
@@Zero-qn8mk I just invested $60 in new sarcasm detection software and you made it freeze & crash. 😂
It's amazing how Europeans are the only race of people for whom it's offensive to show living among their own kind.
@@Durzo1259 Honestly i really don't care that much about this new raceswapping trend but that one was just pure evil😂Isn't Jarl Haakon like a national hero for most Scandinavians? Or Norwegians atleast.
@Zero-qn8mk Unfortunately Hollywood only sees white and black, everything in between just doesn't exist to them. Imagine them trying to do a documentary about the Mongols. I think their brains would break lol
This guy legit just said racism or any division based on race didn't exist before the 1600s... How did the conversation ever get past that? Destiny, you are a saint lmao
"nah bro, the people who build the pyramids were paid very fairly for their work, they were basically contractors"
@Imperial_Squid "Dude, the egyptians werent conquered by inbreeding whites because they were different, they Egyptians were just hitting the griddy too hard!"
@@Imperial_Squidkilled Egyptian workers built the pyramids, not slaves, and neither Hebrews nor Subsaharans
@@Imperial_Squid The pyramids actually were not built by slaves though.
@@BritJim They werent built by slaves. Modern scholars agree that a project like that couldnt be built by unwilling slaves
Man, looked at his Twitter and the fourth thing in the description is empath, I know all I need to know lol.
Is that true? omg
Give him the benefit of the doubt. Nothing necessarily wrong with that.
@@lightfeather9953 it’s about on the level of God’s Soldier
@@lightfeather9953 u know what man, thank you for reminding me of this. I tend to be harshly judgmental but most of the time if you give someone the chance to explain where they're coming from you can have a good conversation as opposed to condemning them right off the get go.
@@lightfeather9953 99% of people who claim to be empaths are actually sociopaths.
People who are actually empathetic don't need to tell you about it.
Even the ancient Greeks had 3 categories of people, where white was what they called themselves, black was the people from Ethiopia they had contact with, and blond was what they called the Nordic northern Europeans.
An example of racism was also from ancient Rome where the Roman Emperor Semptimus Averus, while inspecting legionaries in Britannia, met auxiliary troops from Ethiopia and was so disturbed that he ordered the removal of a black soldier from his sight because he was of ominous color and nature.
How can someone who has focused several decades of his life on the subject of racism be so utterly uneducated?
Ehh, the Greeks, specifcally Greek men, didn't neccesarily consider themselves white, that would be an insult as much as black. The catagory of Melanchroes μελαχρινής as laid out by Herodotus included Ethipoians *and* Egyptians. They were both dark/black to the Greeks. Though, conversely, the description of dark/black was also used to define black hair or dark features amongst legendarily brave Greek men like Hercules.
As Aristotle outlines below:
Οἱ ἄγαν μέλανες δειλοί. ἀναφέρεται ἐπὶ τοὺς Αἰγυπτίους, Αἰθίοπας.
Those who are too black/dark are cowards; witness Egyptians, Ethiopians.
-Aristotle, Physiognomica p 6
But this isn't exclusive, Greek men saw themeselves of middling color, and considered lighter skinned people / Greek women equally cowardly:
οἱ δὲ λευκοὶ ἄγαν δειλοί. ἀναφέρεται ἐπὶ τὰς γυναῖκας. τὸ δὲ πρὸς ἀνδρείαν συντελοῦν χρῶμα μέσον δεῖ τούτων εἶναι.
"Those who are too white/pale are cowards as well; witness women. The color that contributes to bravery must necessarily be in the middle of these two."
-Aristotle
Aristotle has more to say
"Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations, and curliness is as it were crookedness of hair".
-Aristotle, Physiognomy, book XIV pg. 317.
For what it's woth the Romans took after the Greeks on this, lumping Ethiopians and Egyptians together and perceiving themselves as a superior goldilocks complexion.
“The men of Egypt are mostly borwn or black with a skinny desiccated look”. - Ammiuanus Marcellinus
Also the Severus passage needs to be put in context, here is the full passage:
Post murum apud vallum visum in Brittannia… volvens animo quid ominis sibi occurreret, Aethiops quidam e numero militari, clarae inter scurras famae et celebratorum semper iocorum, cum corona e cupressu facta eidem occurrit. quem cum ille iratus removeri ab oculis praecepisset, et coloris eius tactus omine et coronae, dixisse ille dicitur ioci causa: Totum fuisti, totum vicisti, iam deus esto victor
-Historia Augusta, ‘Septimius Severus’, 22.4-5
Essentially, the Emperor was wating for an omen nervously and the class clown of the legion who happened to be an ethiopian walked up to him with an ominous wreath or garland, and in tandem with his dark color, was an ominous concidence. It was less Severus minding his own buisness and out of nowhere some black guy came up and fundementally freaked him out, he was a well know member of the legion stationed in Brittania. It was just Severus being superstitous and interpreting the rare color of the man (Roman legions composed of people from all over the empire, but peoiple from the periphery, like Ethiopia, were rarer.) in that moment as being meaningful.
Colorism existed surely, but it would anachronistic to use the term "racism" with race as we understood it. In Roman and Greek Antiquity, behavior was a result of skin color, and this includes gender in contrast to race, discrimination or prejudice resulted from there. More relevently, the colorism struck both ways, and unlike what may would expect, did not align with modern classifications of color.
Having dedicated a large portion of my life to this myself, there is exponetially more nuance than hasty truisms can provide.
@@mergenocide that’s an interesting read man. I don’t think I see your distinction between colorism vs racism point though, because aren’t they the same thing at their root? It’s not like racial group divisions are based on any logical or scientific differences, and at its root is a kind of colorism no?
We see it all the time, look at the memes about “light skin dudes” vs “dark skin dudes”. Where the darker you are the more aggressive the person is. Steph Curry vs Michael Jordan so to speak.
Not to say there’s no differences between modern racism and Ancient Greece, but just… are they really that different?
@@mergenocide The Greeks used the word ξανθός, which translates as white, to refer to themselves because even though the Greeks were darker-skinned, they considered themselves white. Thus they had a separate term λευκός "blond" for truly white Europeans. (λευκός can also be translated as pale, or white, but in this context it was used to refer mainly to blond Europeans who were sufficiently different to be referred to by the Greeks with a separate word. λευκός in this context I would use the meaning that denoted the color of the hair of Achilles, Menelaus, Helen of Troy, or Aphrodite. )
In the same context, Asians in the Middle Ages were also referred to as white... Marco Polo referred to the Chinese as white, and even Catholic missionaries up to the 18th century referred to the Japanese as white
"Colorism existed surely, but it would anachronistic to use the term "racism" with race as we understood it. In Roman and Greek Antiquity, behavior was a result of skin color, and this includes gender in contrast to race, discrimination or prejudice resulted from there. More relevently, the colorism struck both ways, and unlike what may would expect, did not align with modern classifications of color. "
I definitely agree with you on this one.
I was only responding to the utterly absurd part of the video where a man who has devoted much of his life to issues of racism claimed that creating prejudice based on the color of someone's skin is a purely modern concept.
@@eeyun5279
>"because aren’t they the same thing at their root?"
If you abstract racism to mean any sort of discrimination based on visual identifiers then sure, but then all identifiers; color, race, ethnicity, etc. conflate and become individually meaningless. It's a very complex subject.
>It’s not like racial group divisions are based on any logical or scientific differences, and at its root is a kind of colorism no?
The foundations of Early Modern conceptions of race were based on percieved scientific differences. Currently most proponents of race recognize distinctions based on genetic scientific differences while color may overlap.
But for sure, descrimination based on color, and other features for that matter, existed for millenia.
@@LukasZ-y2h
Yes! I kind of hinted at it with the Hercules references but there is a large overlap with references to things like skin color and hair color as they used the same/similar word, as my Greek is much worse than my Latin, I often rely on context where it seems the same word may referto hair or skin color depending on who is being referred to.
Also it's intersting how the Far East plays into this, ibn Khaldun in al Muqaddimah has his own tripartite clssification system where, not so coincidently, Arabs (among others including the Chinese) fall into the middle and thus superior partition.
Moving into the Medieval Period the tripartite system of origination is instead fixed to Noahs sons, Ham, Shem, and Japeth, and we see similar but distinct considerations stemming from this for both Medieval Europe and the Medieval Islamic world.
Funnily enough, for Medival Europe, the sons of Noah weren't initally doled out based on continent or color, but based on class. Honorius Augustodunensis, a French theologian, in the late 11th to early 12th centuries connected Ham with serfs, Japeth with nobillity and Shem with free men, and that the serf decendents of Ham were bound to experience a greater reward in next world. When the sons of Noah were conencted to continents in medieval Europe it was often counter to our prevaling notions. 14th century English writer Juliana Berners, placed Ham's decednents in Europe as she claimed Europeans were "churlish", the temperate Africans were descendants from Shem, and noble Japeth in Asia. It's so much more complex, and I would reccomend reading Pamela Pattons article in July 2022 issue of Speculum and Thomas Dales article in the Janurary of 2023 issue. They make a solid case that what would be modern forms of colorism (i.e. white = good and black=bad) in regard to skin color cropped up at the end of the Medieval period in Italy and Spain in response to increased contact with the Islamic world. For my part, I would say the more modern European concept of race is largely a result of a synthesis of Islamic sources.
The speaker in this video lacks a historical background, (tbh, the majority of people who speak about historical issues do) and it undercuts a lot of his points. For what its work the askHistorians post Destiny covers in the latter half of this video sums up the whole controversy beautifully.
Wait so a white 6 year old was surprised a black 6 year old wasn't in a gang? I don't think I knew what a gang was at 6
You were not as cultured I guess...maybe put some seasoning on your food.
I mean if you’re raised in some rural white community having never seen a black person before you might think something dumb like that.
@Brighton Hitz yeah I'm pretty sure it was implied I'm white. I was saying it sounds unlikely this other white kid asked this guy that. Probably exaggerated. But ohh seasoning? You mean there's more out there then salt and pepper?? Damn I wish 1 white person in the entire world knew this! I'll try it tomorrow buddy
@@Amick2003the south has the highest black population in the country dummy
@gradeAdawg I did grow up in a majority white area. Only a handful of black kids at my school, none of them were in gangs😂. You really think it's stupid for a 6 year old to not have a concept of gangs? And you think I would of had to of never seen a black person before in order to not know what a gang was at 6 years old? 😂 like every fucking black person is in a gang lmaoo but yeah I'm stupid
Hard to believe that was a actual human. It seem like Destiny was talking to a robot.
He just had a script he was spitting out, most likely lifted directly from the literature he read.
When Destiny pushed back he either short circuited and had no reply or rambled nonsense to point he forgot the question.
>Hard to believe that was an actual human
PEPE
The guest thinks that because he has read some books and talks about the issue that he's an expert. In actuality, he's a basic level thinker with nothing interesting to say
ai is getting too real, too fast.
He may very well have been an NPC in human form. NPCs can accurately mimic real humans to a degree, but just like the visual uncanny valley, there's the other uncanny valley where we can sort of innately sense the person we are talking to might not be an actual human.
@@cc7521 so you don’t wanna learn anything new?
Gotta love that in the reddit post the guy is like "well yea there is no evidence that cleopatra had dark skin but people shouldn't care if they portray her as black". Like the guy spent so much time in the post talking about a bunch of other crap that nobody was talking about. The only thing people cared about was what ethnicity cleopatra most likely was. Why are these people so obsessed with diversity it's annoying.
@Mickey Mouse yup if you go by what the evidence suggest she most likely had fair skin so I think its fair for people to be unhappy with this portrayal of her.
Why do people care so much about something they probably weren't even gonna watch anyways? That's annoying.
@@Zero-qn8mk
Sure but what he's saying is that this is the only time you care about historical accuracy so your intentions are suspect.
(Although to be fair, if you care how a Netflix video depicts her, you seem to be obsessed with the racial component too lmao)
@@whatreallymatters571 retarded take.
Diversity and inclusivity have become my two most hated words.
I don't understand how people like this guy can't see how they drive people into the arms of the far right.
not being antiwhite is not far right. you are the racist.
Yeah, for real. For me, the self-righteous arrogance of these people is the kicker. It's always EVERYONE ELSE is the ignorant one. EVERYONE ELSE needs to change. He complains about the other side trying to rewrite history, and the next story after he gets off the call is about Netflix pushing the absurd idea of a black Cleopatra... the dude should have been talking to a mirror. Hypocrite.
Destiny lost this debate 100% and he is the one platforming neo nazis
@@H.Hardrada who cares about about a movie. If you become alt right because someone on the left annoys you than you were a piece of shit to begin with. Also I think Destiny is a chump
If other people can drive me away from my deeply held personal beliefs with crappy arguments, then i didnt really have deeply held personal beliefs.
The fact it took that "teacher" that long to understand "it's not what you say, it's how you say it" is shocking
40 mins in and still haven't gotten to that part
Dude cited Kendi I wouldn't be surprised
People can be smart at X and dumb at Y example 2,126,736
He said he's a math teacher, completely unrelated to his shit understanding of his pet subject which obviously compromises his beliefs too much for honest convo
@@BrendanishLeo I think most people know a lot about a couple of really specific things, to the detriment of common sense.
@@Blueline3691 it’s around 25:00.
Destiny uses the example of homophobia. If someone says f*g a lot, saying “you’re homophobic” doesn’t really work since a lot of people who use the word just simply like using the word and don’t harbor any actual hate for homosexual people. So when you call them homophobic they think “well that can’t be true because I know I’m not homophobic” and basically stop listening to anything else you have to say.
If you instead said “I understand you’re not homophobic, but your use of the word perpetuates the hatred and normalizes it to people who hear it that actually are homophobic” you’d have a much easier time changing their mind. The guy destiny is talking to agreed, but said it’s different for race due to willful ignorance (?)
"Okay let's get rid of the extremes, I know you like to live there."
One minute later: "Anyway, let me tell you about how this book was banned in one state"
Just like how Leftists ban books, phrases and movies? Okay
@@Diego-og7nk It is according to his own logic. They were talking about banning CRT and Destiny laid out the distinction between CRT as simply learning about the history of minorities vs outlandish "anti-racist" practices. The guest then made the quip about that being an extreme, despite many documented cases.
The hypocrisy is not in him citing that book banning is an issue, it is in his strawman argument of Destiny's distinction as an edge case that never happens, while he then goes on to only give one example.
@@Diego-og7nk I'm not arguing from Destiny's standpoint, I'm arguing from mine. Destiny didn't dispute it, but I think he should have. My point, that you clearly don't agree with, is the the guest's point is just as much of a fringe case, if not more so, than Destiny's.
Also I don't know know why you're comparing the number of book burnings vs the instances of CRT being banned. As you said book bannings have been going on for many years and CRT is fairly new, so the comparison isn't fair. It could well be the case that CRT being banned is a much more important issue than book bannings in modern times. I disagreed with the guest and I think destiny could have pushed back a lot harder, but ultimately I'm not that invested in if he does or doesn't.
Lol and the book wasn't banned, it was held in review due to a complaint.
Good point.
As soon as he cited Ibrahm X Kendi, he outed himself as a racist
These activist types are so out of touch with the climate this generation grew up in. I'm gen-z and I swear we've read more Ta-Nehisi Coates than we have Benjamin Franklin. So many teachers see it as their personal duty to integrate as much anti-racist content into their classes as possible, including math or science teachers. The idea that anyone from my generation would casually engage in anything even resembling anti-black racism is ludicrous. I literally cannot imagine someone saying they wouldn't date a black person. Saying something like that would not only cause you to lose friends, but would likely travel far enough that you'd be avoided by everyone else in your grade. I'm sure there are people like the woman he described out there, but it's wild to frame them as representative of the average white person. Especially in the younger generations. Malcolm X would blush at the shit we're on fr fr.
What if the school districts are banning Ta-Nehisi Coates?
Dating preferences are not racist tho lmfao
@@painkiller66 man, if only there was a way a teacher could absorb the ideas from a book then reuse that information in thier own way. Wow, if only a teacher could do that! Recontextualizing a text for a student audience. Man, that would be totally wild.
the talk about privilege is literally projection
Not dating a black person isn't anything. Majority of people prefer their own race over all when it comes to dating. Nothing wrong with it.
This guys brain reset when destiny disagreed with him lol
Somewhere in his head is a goblin spamming F5 on his brain
What Destiny was trying to explain around 23:15 was the difference between taste-based and statistical discrimination. This is a well-established (and important!) distinction between the types of discrimination in sociology and economics. The fact that Contraband didn't seem to know that and even dismissed it as a "mere hypothetical, outside of the real world" shows you how much of an "expert" he actually is on these issues. This is also why simply reading 10 gajillion political theory books will actually not give you any meaningful insights to complex problems in the world...
Ancient Egyptians were most closely related to the countries of Turkey, Iraq, Israel, Jordan, Syria, and Lebanon -Max Planck institute
DNA tests found out that modern Egyptians share more ancestry with Sub-Saharan Africans than ancient Egyptians ever had- Max Planck institute
We conclude that Egyptians have been in place since the Pleistocene and have been unaffected by either invasions or migrations.
As others have noted, Egyptian are Egyptian and they were so in the past as well.
-Anthropologist C. Loring Brace
I will never understand how someone believes Africa is a phenotype.
Like an Indian person and a Chinese are both Asians, even if they don’t look alike.
How do people still not know that Egypt is a Mediterranean country right next to Palestine.
But the problem is, even Palestinians are being called ,,invaders” by many so called ,,Hebrew Israelites”
Eastern Mediterraneans exist.
Same thing happens to ,,Mesopotamia”
Where people act like the people from that region are rather aliens than middle easterners (specifically iraq) being the descendants of them.
It’s crazy
It's the weird American view of race. It's like there's nothing in between white and pitch black. And like Destiny said, he doesn't consider Indians to ne Asian because they don't look Chinese. I also think a lot of people just don't know what north Africans look like.
Why do people love bringing up DNA tests that they havent read? Every single DNA test done to analyse ancient Egyptians cannot be extrapolated because they are all from small populations in the North, from at the latest, middle kingdom. The reasearchers themselves say that the data only represents a certain population of Egypt at a certain time, not the entirety of ancient Egypt. The ancient Egyptians were *_North African_* with *_North African_* culture. Towards the North there were Levantine populations mixed in and towards the south there were East African populations mixed in. Saying its "Mediterranean" is you tryna take Egypt out of Africa when the reality is modern scholars agree Egypt was *African*
Man, its almost like north africa and south africa are separated by the second most hostile environment to human life on planet earth. (Number one is antartica)
I wonder if that might have some impact on how haplotypes are spread.
@@REDDAWNproject its almost like North Africa wasnt a dessert thousands of years ago
"slavery was extremely extreme" truly one of the most statements of all time
Racist
Truly a statement
the most statemently statement of all time.
You are acting like your boyfriend Destiny does not throw literal tantrums on stream when "debating"...
@@dm_1236 *girlfriend
“Were changing the conversation around race”
I was prepared to hit the “X to doubt” button here but I was like “No hear the man out”.
Not even 20 minutes in and were hitting all the twitter crt talking points and hand waving the “extremes”
What extremes?
@@darrickfranklin7096well if you actually watched the video Destiny brought up the CRT training math book in Georgia. Which this guy dismissed as “extreme”
Ibram X Kendi is such a massive grifter
This dude being a teacher for 20 years explains a lot...
I don't understand what you mean
@@HexagonSun990 He's lost his head up his own ass after decades of always being 100% correct and not be able to be challenged; by his students, by white people, etc.
True, he’s clearly way more educated than destiny and it really shows here.
@Farter i think he's making an observation that this guy is an idiot.
What? He explained his position very well and Destiny couldn’t cope
Holy shit. This may be too much to ask for after the grace and dad call, but imagine analisa and this guy talking, would be thrilling.
It permeates everything.... for you. This guy lives in a different reality than most humans.
I mean race does sorta permeate everything. Most people decide how to treat others based on their race
I grew up in California and leanred about the brutality of Racism and slavery in America in high school history class (early 2010s). My class went really deep into it. I keep hearing that schools don't touch on those subjects at all. Is it a state by state cases? If so, why are people talking like it isn't talked about everywhere? I literally watched documentaries that had to have parent permission to watch because it showed brutal flogging in school. I also watched documentary of dogs being released on black people and hosing and the protests during MLK era as well. So how is it that no other school seemingly teaches these things?
It is state by state, or school by school if it's private
Because not every school goes deeply into that or every subject.
Seems like bs. I went to high school in georgia in the late 90's and we talked about every single year i had been in school even back to kindergarten.
Its kind of like his racism didn't exist until the 1600's comment. It refers to the term race as if racism didn't exist before the word. The first thing that came to mind was the great wall of china which was built to keep what was considered another race out...
@@jboss119 But how many schools have you been to? You are so easy to call others stories BS when you coulda been at the same school most of your life, or like 3. Your experience doesnt mean fuck all for the literal tens of thousands of schools in this country.
@@jboss119 We need LiveLeakesqe videos for kindergartners of maybe South Africa(?)... I don't know where white people are slaying black people anymore, but I'm sure we could find something and say it's just a video from today.
Alot of these "banned" books haven't been banned they just aren't being used directly in the curriculum.
He says that black people are not listened to and it should be accepted that they may have some specialized information but the fact of the matter is there's a diversity of thought and experience on the subject among black people. This is another way in which people talk out of both sides of their mouth by saying they aren't a monolith but also every single person who happens to be black must be treated as some PhD of race, when individual experience is generally looked at with suspicion for this very reason AND it's following from his stating that understanding of racism requires this deep dedicated study, which I guess he's assuming that every single black person has done this, which I know for a fact isn't true. Also the point about the difference in how you would talk to somebody who has a misunderstanding versus a hatred is so obvious but I can't believe it wouldn't be granted. It's ironic considering the discussion is about the resistance of people toward ideas of white supremacy and "willful ignorance" and is indicative of why these conversations end up going nowhere. Finally, I find the idea of pretending some of this (not all, I'm sure much of it fairly uniformly granted) history is agreed upon 100% by historians and therefore represents a willful rejection of Truth is disingenuous. To counter that, destiny not understanding that there are places where people accept use of the N word is pretty wild.
Ok so on the controversy of casting a black woman to play Cleopatra.
Forget questioning wether Egyptians were/are black.
Thats a whole other issue a lot of Americans have.
Way too many think African=Black ( thats pretty freaking racist given the muslim or jewish history there)
Putting that aside.
Cleopatra was not Egyptian.
She was GREEK. Specifically Macedonian Greek.
Casting her as black & treating as "Black African greatness" is just wrong. Plain & simple
Imagine questioning the real black queen Destiny on race issues like this. The audacity.
The caucasity, even!
@@Adeon55 lololol stepping to a queen with Yakubian vibes. The utter temerity. 💅🏾
@@MMAGamblingTips Facts. It's no wonder he's confused people by "acting white" when he exudes so much Yakubian energy. 💅🏿
It’s very unfortunate that this man is a teacher.
How? U don't like black teachers? Reported you for racism. Makes me sick
I would've agreed on the portrayal of Cleopatra that nobody bats an eye on games and other movies but I don't think that earlier works ever claimed it to be authentic. If they did then they deserve the same scorn.
Netflix then labeling the show a documentary I would expect nothing but facts or at least what we know so far to be true.
This isn’t true. There are hundreds of documentaries on early Egyptians where they are portrayed wrongly as non-black.
@Marius S. That maybe so due to the current climate and the way most people perceive things (agenda or no agenda). It's like become a boogyeman of sorts admittedly. Though I think this is only really observed in western productions which says a lot about it.
I'll admit I'm very wary as well since I'd like productions to remain faithful to source materials as much as possible, but I sometimes do see the merits of subversion where appropriate.
@@apriljoy1094 early Egyptians weren't black.
Cleopatra was ethnically Greek.
@@apriljoy1094 egyptians are non blacks they never found mumies with black features.
It's fucking impossible that people didn't differentiate each other by their physical characteristics from other people.
That's not the claim. The idea of fixed racial hierarchies, where "whites" are civilized and innately superior to "blacks," evolved at a particular point in history.
Saying distinction between black and white didn’t exist before 1600s is just American exceptionalism of a different sort
@@michaelh13
same people who decry euro-centrism only have a historical understanding that is euro-centric
That’s not what he said. The fact that is what you took away is why education is needed.
The discussion isn’t that race didn’t exist or was acknowledged but the stereotypes and interpretations around it were different. What where they and where?
Example -the Nazi conception of race, is different than the US, Brazilian, and historically Greek, ancient world.
Just as the conception of what a woman is and should be differed in Sparta and Ming China.
Just as thought around gender in 1950s Midwest is not the same as in current day San Francisco.
These ideas are very simple - and obvious - but clearly not set out in white America where it is actually repressed so much that they are beyond comprehension!
We can differentiate people by characterstics, that doesnt imply a heirachy- we can say oh red haired people or blond or eye colors, but there is no discrimination based on those things, THAT was his point about race- his exact words were that people did differentiate people but the HEIRARCHY wasnt there. In older times that discrimnation or heiracrchical understanding of race didnt exist
Do you love black people? I love black people...
I LUH BLEK PEEPO
I love Jamaica RASTAFARI
I love black people as much as normal people B)
I dont love a group of people. Dont love arabs or hispanics n im both.
I too welcome our new rightful overloads.
Guys like this treat racism like a god. It’s everywhere and nowhere at the same time. And like god, there is usually a better explanation for whats going on.
Good point Vicar
Bro destiny was arguing healthcare was racist on fresh and fit last night. You realize you’re watching a Lib right?
@Ilackaname Destiny is pretty brainwashed on this topic but the other dude is completely lost. 32 years of academic focus on the topic and he can't make a single salient point.
@@IgneousMetamorphosis-kr6ni I know he’s a lib. I disagree with Destiny all the time. But he is generally far more sane than the leftists he brings on.
@@masonmurphy4978 Thanks.
Would have loved to see a surprise tag-in from Fuentes during this LOL
"Are you ready?" 😂
I hate it when people just namedrop books and their author to make it seem like they're informed instead of just using the arguments and knowledge they should have learned from the book to effectively communicate their point.
Lots of people do that without even realizing it, all the time.
Comedian Shane Gillis has a bit about his dad watching Fox News and pointing to the screen like "See? That's what I meant! I just can't say it so good."
I’m European, when Americans have this kind of conversations I don’t think I even know what they mean with “racism”.
They say racism but in the content of what they say I hear: uneven outcomes, class issues, unupdated laws, bias, “retroactive racism???”
My brain in fried
Any Americans who can fill me in?
Give up dog
race in america is one of a kind. for example, you say you're european, but here, you're just white. no matter what your ethnic background or nationality, you're white. easier to have collective information when you're kind of dumb downed to your race. race was the main drive for inequality, whites here, blacks here, sundown towns, racial laws etc.
@@jkelly5785 are you sure American slavery is one of the worst forms of slavery in the history of humanity? Maybe recent history, but I don’t think I can believe it can be considered such in the whole of human history
@@cyberjunkienet actually in America I would be seen as Italy since I am. Not even all whites are the same in the US.
To be brief after the Union’s victory over the confederacy in the Civil War the project of reconstruction was enacted to correct the injustices done to black Americans. This included a massive undertaking of land and wealth redistribution.
After Lincoln’s assassination his Vice President Andrew Johnson essentially pumped the brakes on that effort and didn’t fulfill the goals of reconstruction.
This failure has since permeated our history and a large contributor to our inability to form a class consciousness and unite. It’s a way to divide us when we have far more in common than we realize.
Destiny might be one of the only leftists with such a platform who exhibits an open mindedness and engages in discussion with people holding contrasting beliefs. Respect.
thats because he is central, left leaning not a full blown leftist? WOAAAHHHH THERE CAN BE NUANCE? Im central right, its pretty easy to be open minded dude
Ifk the rights pretty good about that too but in reality the majority of new right leaning or conservative people are just disaffected liberals or just extremely anti-establishment and not even conservative lol so you get all types of engagement
Is it at all possible for a black person to have a bad experience involving someone or some system and that experience not be the result of structural/ institutional racism? If so, how can we tell the difference between the non-racist experiences and the racist experiences? If we cannot draw a distinction, is it not unfalsifiable? If it's unfalsifiable, it seems we'd default to a presumption of guilt until proven innocent (which couldn't be done) upon granting the theory legitimacy.
I'm talking to a guy. Practically dating. He's a cop, or at least in the academy for it. (So unless he fails his tests, he's practically hired. Also already doing cop stuff.) He's as lefty lib as they come, so I get to hear a very very very interesting perspective from him. His coworkers are hyper conservative in the field and many of them tend to say out of pocket things he really doesn't agree with, but kind of like shrugs it off or laughs it off. However, the actual cop training really really really drives home the important of race, gender and race studies, not using your standing in society as a form of authority to abuse the people, how to approach and de-escalate.
Cop training and the morals they try to instill in you are actually SUPER community based, emotionally mature and very race inclusive.... HOWEVER, the disconnect seems to be the actual older policemen themselves. Whom seem to throw a lot of these things out of the window when it comes to general speak in the workplace. Their politics, the way they conduct themselves and act goes very against what the guy I am talking to is being taught. He told me it's giving him severe whiplash because all of the things he's learning in the academy are things he stands by and agrees with and then he'll have a co-worker tell him how the libtards are ruining America and proceed with radical right wing jargon.
The Woman King movie poster should’ve been the thumbnail. Viola Davis looks eerily similar to Destiny in that film.
My wife is indian and we've talked about how weird it is she has to check "asian" on a lot of those ethnicity surveys when she's filling out forms, because it's the closest and technically correct.
@Therethere they said ethinicity. Good job reading tho.
Ibrahim X Kindey getting brought up really lays out how this was going to go
Dude looks like a normal sized beetle juice from the Stern Show.
😆😆😆😆😆😆
Imagine the mental gymnastics of thinking race wasn't a concept until the 1600s. Since the beginning of time, different communities have interacted with one another. If they were your enemy, you'd say "those people are all scum." If they were allies, you'd say "those people are our good friends."
What do you think happens when a community is your enemy and it just so happens that you can tell they are from that community because they look different from you? You come up with a concept to differentiate them from you, like um... lets see.... RACE.
@@jkelly5785 the fact you think american racism is uniquely bad (when it actually might be one of the more tame types) is kinda funny.
@@jkelly5785 What differentiates the current from from the before form? Changing attitudes towards a race doesn't mean a whole new concept of what a race is.
@@jkelly5785 thomas sowell did a study and found that muslims castrated there slaves . also slavery still exists today in muaritania and libya and has existed for thousands of years. america is one of the first coutries to do away with slavery and is the least racist country on the planet. which is why so many people are pouring over the border.
As someone who is Greek (the same as Cleopatra), while we consider ourselves white, we also mainly delineate amongst ourselves based on our nationality. To my eyes, white and black american-born folk are infinitely more alike than white germans and white french folks are, despite both being white. Mainly it's cause you guys actually speak the same language and have roughly the same culture, and what difference does exist between you is not any greater than, for example, villager greeks compared to townsfolk greeks. It's a small difference.
America also has this weird revisionist history thing going about greeks. I showed my mom Assassin's Creed Odyssey cause they had some folks talk in ancient greek in that game so I thought it'd be cool for her to see, and literally the first thing she said was "why are these people black if they're supposed to be in Greece" lol. Because Activision randomly put black npcs in the shoes of greek townsfolk in Athens (which wasn't really a thing).
When the guy critiqued Destiny saying "I wish you pushed back harder on race talk," I was so hoping Destiny would have taken that as a green light to push back on him.
😂 Yeah, now that you say that it sounds possible, pretty funny, and now I also wished he had
Destiny not knowing how to pronounce Macedonian cut deep ngl, but do appreciate he does his best to get across concepts he's not familiar with (ie ancient mediterranean history)
I remember hearing that both pronunciations are fine. Originally pronounced with a K but church latin made it an S sound. Anyone know if this is true or did I hear some bs?
@@krullet3560 If you want to sound more accurate use the hard C sound but if you're speaking English then the soft C is still fine.
are you related to Alex the Great?
Was the Ruby Bridges book banned, or was it removed from the mandatory reading list? Those are two very different things
“You don’t pushback”
“Give me an example of what you mean”
“I can’t off the top of my head”
this is actually my first time commenting on any of these debates because i never see the point i just find it interesting, but this dude saying the concept of race was created in the 1600's when we have proof of the egyptians 4-5 thousand years ago describing people based on the colour of their skin just making me wish i could stop this convo right now
Wouldn't that be ethnic discrimination? I guess my point is that race as a descriptor for other humans does seem more recent then say Egypt
Though I could be wrong
Just got that part and I withdraw my comment he is just and idiot
@@revanwitter8501 Yes you are very wrong, even the greeks when describing people from different cultures used the skin tone as a differentiator. they had words for "blonde" people and black people. there is a lot of studies and data on this
@DAVEY that wasn't what I thought he was saying, the concept of today's racism is not necessarily the concept of ancient cultures, this should be obvious since they had a different culture language and moral concepts. Yes they could see people as being different colors to equate that with todays concept of a racist is ridiculous. Ancient folks wouldn't have mixed as often as our dna implies they did if they were all super nazi intent on keeping lines pure
@Revan Witter He seems to be saying that there is a binary of "black" and "not black", which is a very strange position to take
It feels like this guy came in with an ulterior motive.
Probably trying to get an audience
I thought they were going to have a conversation about race and share their ideas. That is what I got from the beginning. He also said he wanted to try to instill some things into destiny's race conversations because he felt they were lacking which is fine.
However the areas he was combative in came across like he was fighting a Destiny in his head and it kinda came across like he was trying to make Destiny out to be a racist for a good portion of the conversation. I don't understand how he supposedly has 15 years of experience on this subject but no nuance whatsoever.
It felt like he was arguing just to argue because the Destiny in his head was louder than the one sitting right in front of him. And doing so actually proved a lot of destiny's points about how poorly racism/race conversations are navigated in general. I feel like I've seen about 5-6 other black people pop up on Destiny's stream and do the same shit before. But I don't think I've seen Destiny be this calm and charitable which made the guy look even worse imo.
Because he's black? U kidding me? U must be yt for sure
Probably just for a bigger audience like most people
@@anubisthacutest4752 ok, racist
Homie looking like a full size Beetle Juice from the Howard Stern Show.
This dude was definitely right that about the modern construction of race but i guess they didnt discuss at length. Prior to the 1600s and specifically in the classical age that was mentioned people didnt have a structured view of race by skin color and broad genetic associations BUT people prior to this largely viewed other groups of humans as lesser than their group by default and often with hierarchies. Greeks looked down on non greeks, romans thought germanic and celtic people were barbarians(but they likely viewed some groups, like the persian empire of the time, as higher civilizationally than the barbarians to their north), middle ages people thought the muslim world were savages and that the limited parts of asia they had exposure to were godless barbarians etc, and most of the other groups felt the same way, such as arabic people in the muslim world tended to look down on non arabs, like the berbers, even when they had converted to islam. And there was broad, less systematic slavery by a lot of groups toward a lot of groups. So that said, destiny was wrong but somewhat right, a culture/society that was broadly light complexion probably viewed darker complexion people poorly but also viewed other light complexion people poorly.
Even at the outset of slavery theres evidence that the portugese and spanish who started trading with africans and buying slaves didn't view them as inherently lesser than more than they thought the ottomans or eastern europeans, then as african slavery hiked up and ironically as slavery or near slavery that previously existed for other groups was diminished in europe largely by pressure from the catholic church, the justification for enslaving one group but not the other had to be constructed socially/morally/legally. So the construction of race and racism wasnt exactly a huge paradigm shift, but an alignment of the largest and most powerful european civilizations to view themselves as a group based upon shared genetic lineage and skin against the other groups so that instead of a sort of discrimination of all against all it became a block group against other block groups.
slavery has been going on long before portugal was even a country and its alive and well today in libya and muaritania as well as parts of the middle east
Im 40 and we talked about slavery jim crow segregation and so on. In fact over multiple years of my schooling. It was probably the subject we recovered each year the most.
WE 👏 NEED 👏 MORE 👏 BLACK 👏 PEOPLE 👏 CLASSES👆
Even as a gen z’er I’ve learned pretty heavy about this in elementary and middle school. Less so in high school but because I didn’t really choose to
@@Bcorcoran100Classes on black people?
This is the essence of all social justice theory: just make assertions about how the world is and assume nobody will actually look at how the world is to see if it aligns with reality.
UM yeah that's social studies for you, you get it every year lol. The point is it's usually not in depth and the teachings on average are very surface level. I highly doubt it was a subject you recovered each year THE MOST.
So basically he's just another "push back more" person
When I was in third grade, my teacher asked “who here is Asian?”. I raised my hand. She said “No, not that kind of Asian. I mean like Chinese, Korean, Japanese, etc”. So people do know the difference, theres just common language definitions which are less precise than dictionary ones.
25 mins in, this guy thinks destiny is an idiot (lol), dest has some real patience with this guy.
Destiny I hadn't heard of you before you were on Timcast. I appreciate your calmness and ability to express your thoughts and opinions. I try to listen to multiple views, sometimes it is difficult because I just can't believe the things that come out of people's mouths LOL! Thanks for the conversations
Holy shit another Timcast viewer that also likes destiny?! I thought I was alone here
Just listening to this guy is exhausting. It seems he makes this more complicated than it is.
@chankston7954 I agree 100%.
Islam, in the 600s also gave rules for slavery and racism. 1 Arab slave is worth 2 Black slaves. 1 Muslim slave is worth 2 non-muslim slaves if they are of the same racial status.
That’s right people, race wasn’t categorized prior to the 1600’s LMAO
He's talking about the various racial caste systems that emerged as a result of the transatlantic slave trade. Race as a social concept used for that purpose is distinct from prior eras, although his years are off.
And? Genes weren’t categorized until the 1900’s. Doesn’t mean they aren’t real and have obvious differences.
@@FatherManus nobody is saying there is no underlying reality but race doesn’t describe that reality. That’s why it’s a social phenomenon. There’s a reason anthropologists and human biologists don’t use the term
@@tpbenze5032 It doesn’t matter what terms they use. Race absolutely describes it. People from certain areas share obvious traits. It really is not complicated.
@@FatherManus yes because “common sense” can describe it. Why do some black people have more shared DNA with white people than other black people. Shouldn’t they be more similar because of their “traits”? This just isn’t how biology works
"Racism never survives first contact with another person"
"It's really hard to hate a group if you're actually around them and deal with them as human beings"
It's time to realize people like Ibram Kendi and the caller here are not talking about the same thing as Daryl Davis.
Maybe because I grew up in a black area, slavery and racism was ponded into our heads, history was literally mostly that. Black history was really important in my school. I was Mexican we never got the same treatment didn’t even know Hispanic history month was a thing till I was older lol.
15:00 to 18:00 segment i find hard to believe his point, i feel like destinys intuition on that one is right. I can (and do) believe race becoming a prevalent issue among society in the way it is now happened around the 16th/17th century like the teacher says is true, but claiming prior to that time period that race imbalances "didnt exist" is extreme and he claims it so confidently. I feel like if this guy wasnt a teacher, dest would of flamed him here 16:08
Yeah, he REALLY butchered it, and it's crazier that he says he is a teacher.
I mean, i did get what he (tried) to talk about, but only because i researched this topic prior for myself.
If he really wants to reach and educate those "racialized white people" he really did the opposite.
As a young black man who grew up poor and from the south, it's very clear to me that Destiny is a woman's name.
Where did this dude come from? He only got 130 subs. He said he has been talking about this for decades but has only been on RUclips since 2020.
Yes he’s been talking IRL - some of us have lives outside of the internet
32 years studying one thing is why he can only look at everything through the framework of racism. Try convincing the Irish they are responsible for racism because of their skin colour after 800 years of the British boot on their throats, it's not going to work. His cadence is lovely, he's obviously an intelligent guy but the hoop jumping and obfuscation is quite hard to ignore.
If Irish people come to America and are racist they are responsible for that, no one is saying that people who weren't born here or have direct ancestry here are racist. The point of All white people EVWRYWHERE being responsible wasn't even brought up. Y'all love bringing up Irish people though for some weird reason though. This discussion was clearly about white Americans.
I wish he would have given some examples of what is not being taught in schools. Had me going schitzo on my monitor asking wtf i didn't get taught.
“Differentiations between hierarchies for races didn’t exist before the 1600’s” my brother, let me introduce you to the Spanish empire. Their whole colonial system was a racial one that still has remnants to this day across all of Latin America.
the greeks and romans didn't discriminate by race, they discriminated by origin/culture; you were either a savage/barbaric, or you were civilized
By “willful ignorance”, I think this guy means “won’t blindly accept everything I tell them as fact”
Destiny is completely ignorant of race relations and history. He has no historical context for any of his arguments. The teacher was on point it just went over Destiny and his followers head.
The lady with bule hair got me bricked up!
Don’t objectify her 🤦🏿♀️💅🏿
I think Destiny's whole argument in the first half is between saying "you're racist" and "THAT'S racist"
Yeah, that's what I got from it too.
Why did this guy start by saying he likes to have different types of conversation and then do the most annoying way to talk about this. Destiny moves people away from hate with his approach this guy sounds like someone no one wants to watch
1 minute in: oh nice, we can finally have a good reasonable discussion about race
after 8 minutes: oh, I guess we are gonna kill each other here.
It's not a good discussion video but it's also not even a good drama video cause this guy is so fucking draining to listen to
I didn't make it through the dumbass quote in the intro...
Gigachad attention span
He wasn’t even bad. It was a casual conversation
Exactly who he was talking about smh my head. 😔✊️
@@TonyCox1351 🤣
No doubt
@Kario idk shit about this video, dude.
I just came for the memes.
No scream, no memes.
The moment he brought up Ibrim X-Kendi I knew everything I needed to about him.
Wow that was a whole lot of nothing from a guy dedicating his life to fighting racism.
16:00
He's sorta right, and dead wrong at the same time. What we consider "races" today- Asian, white, and black, were divided into hundreds of categories rather than just 3.
In most of the world, it still is
Go ahead and tell a Palestinian, an Indian, and Japanese that they're all the same race and they'd laugh at you
Until pretty recently, different black tribes in Africa would tell you they are different races and theirs is superior over the rest.
Calling Arabs "Asian" is a European thing, I don't think any Americans call them that.
Indians are also kinda their own thing, you'd never see an Indian guy and think "that guy might be Korean"
Someone should tell this guy if he’s gonna be casually condescending and dismissive he should at least make sure he’s correct…important first step to effective smugness.
This is the downside of learning a topic but discussing it only with people that agree: the guest is severely underprepared to make his arguments.
44:13 Destiny would hate me for saying this, but I’m American and have heard other Americans say that Indians are asians. Also I asked my Indian friend to confirm and he said that Indians are asian.
I've certainly heard people call Indians Asians, but I've never heard of someone describing an Indian as Asian. They are Indian first and foremost and it's how they're referred to in conversation. If you want to say Indians are also Asians, that's cool, but if you were to say you talked to an Asian person, no one would ever think you talked to an Indian person. They would think you talked to a Chinese, Japanese, Korean, or some other similar looking person.
no shit your indian friend knows indians are asian. thats not the claim destiny is making. He's just saying most americans don't conceptualize indians as asian.
I think most people mean Eastern Asian when they use "Asian" as a racial epithet.
What person thinks America didnt have a racist history?
Im 40, who didnt learn about slavery and Jim Crow in school? Anyone?
This is nonsense.
..another Ibram kendi drone..
Black and white classifications may have started at the moment in time he described, but the idea that racism started in the modern West is utterly nonsense. Just by going off an ancient document, called the Bible, we can see that there was prejudice against Samaritans at the time of Jesus.
Also the Jews were persecuted for their race/religion for significant portions of the bible...
Generally your nationality, race and religion were intrinsically tied to each other under the banner term "People" as in "the Philistines are a different People from the Jews"
started as a debate and ended as a sales pitch
“What historical events are not being taught?”
“Well specifically the effect slavery can have on our modern mental state”
In other words…..propaganda
I rock with Destiny
Love the modern racism, whitewashing in movies was evil, but blackwashing should be celebrated for some reason.
I havent finished the video but i wish this guy would say what people aren't learning. I graduated in 2020 and i feel like a i got a pretty solid education on the topic.
I graduated in 2000 in Indiana and I also got a good rundown of all this. Its just narrative and not real reality.
That there were even more bad things that happened during slavery and that some laws were made because of race. You know.. the shit that would have no bearing on if someone hates people because of their color.
😂 neither if you did lol. You got watered down white savior narratives
@@dillonblair6491😂🙄
@@dillonblair6491 could use some white saviors where ever black people are found though huh lotta fat empty bellies in your homeland. but hey gang gang