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Creator of Oculus on Apple Vision Pro
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- Опубликовано: 15 фев 2024
- This clip is from an episode with Palmer Luckey: • Oculus Founder On Appl...
Palmer Luckey is a visionary entrepreneur and inventor known for his groundbreaking contributions to the virtual reality industry. As the founder of Oculus VR, Luckey revolutionized the way we experience immersive digital worlds with the development of the Oculus Rift, a pioneering virtual reality headset. With a passion for pushing technological boundaries, Luckey's innovative spirit continues to shape the future of virtual reality and its applications across various industries.
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The first flat screen I ever saw in a friend's home was in 2003, it was a 42 inch 720p Phillips that he got for "only" $7000 because it had like a big 6 inch scratch right underneath the display up front. Now you can get a TV that's significantly better and much larger for like $400. Early adopters pay back the R&D so things can get affordable for everyone else.
This is not a fair comparison. If therw were 1000 dollar flatscreens available in 2003 then it would be a fair comparison
@MountainViews90well that’s what paying for R&D mean
@@da7me22 thats not the point, all the hand tracking and ar stuff existed before apple circumcision even was released. Occulus already had all of that before
This clip is months old. I thought this would have been a fresh take.
Months old but definitely needs repeating ;-)
I was wondering why this all sounded so familiar. Thought I could see into the future so a sec.
Well, it was freshly uploaded.
Exactly. Should be stated in the title. Crypto-clickbait.
Yep clickbait :(
He is spot on. I never thought about buying Meta Quest 3 before Vision pro dropped. Now that I see the potential,I am starting research on whether MQ3 is worth it.
Same
if you never had VR headset before , you will be blown away by the Quest 3
I had an Oculus Go. While waiting for the Vision Pro, I bought the Quest 3 as soon as it was available. It's totally worth it.
It's hard to justify spending $4000 on Apple's headset. Hard, but not impossible. I bought Vision Pro, and I'm keeping it. The kids use the Quest 3 for playing Gorilla Tag. I'll still use it for games and content that Vision Pro doesn't (yet) support.
Image Quality is good on Quest 3, not as good as AVP tho. Still the Quest 3 is amazing. Espacially for its price.
It's a great headset and will show you what VR/AR and MR is all about. If you have a high-end PC then you also get to enjoy very high-end experiences like Microsoft Flight Simulator, Assetto Corsa, Half-Life: Alyx and Google Earth: VR for a start.
If you don't have a PC with Steam VR and WIFI 6, it still has tons to offer natively.
Great to see Palmer sharing his thoughts here. And thanks for your initiative back years ago to make VR a reality. I have dreamed of this my whole life and consequently been one of the first to jump on VR as it became available. When the Oculus Rift preorders went life back then, I ordered within the first couple of minutes. I was very tempted by DK1 and DK2, but held out for the finished product.
First time I tried VR was in the 90s, I have no idea what the device was called, I tested it at a local computer store, playing doom (or doom2), and I immediately got sick due to the low framerate and non existent head tracking.
It’s kinda surprising that it took this long before the tech went anywhere. Even the quest 2 from a couple of years ago was a pretty terrible device that still made me seasick. Hoping that with Apple in the game, things finally start progressing.
My shelf is going to have my DK1, DK2 and now VP1. I think He has this completely right. Hope Palmer gets back into VR soon. Thanks Palmer for getting this whole thing off the ground again.
He is not completely right. After 12 years, I still hear "Early adopters", "We are still early", "Soon the form of glasses", "Tech will improve quickly", "Give it 5 years". How many more years we will be listen the same? Does he know that we age? He obviously forgot that 12 years have passed, and tech should be already better than it is
refreshing insightful perspective and comments - thanks for posting
Concerts and movies supporting the Vision Pro will be next level
Clint Miller
why next level ?
first you need a Killer App, if nobody does write that, it's just nothing, for some only.
Guess you never did try it at all, just crying here ?
You have coding skills ?
The first Macintosh computer came out in 1984 for $2500 which in today's price is $7000. That stopped lots of people from buying it, but lots of other people DID buy it! It's all relative ....
but people of those times were richer...
Palmer Luckey is a brilliant dude.
It's basically a Gen 1 Tony Stark Helmet
Wow ok this is really insightful stuff an actual engineer talking about how one would make a headset properly. Fresh and really actually from a point of wisdom that I have not heard.
Such a wonderful segment without someone having to say "like" 3 or more times per sentence.
He's right. I never spend money on entertainment, but I had always wanted an oculus and now I so want a Vision Pro. My entertainment is restricted to RUclips, shorts, reels etc. just that.
Great take
On the Quest, I was in a virtual room with a member of Naughty by Nature. He was a fan of VR, the Quest, and of the program. (It was a Windows social app that's since been shut down, but The social experience was probably one of the best I've had. Apple needs to step it up in that regard. As far as games, I think for sure they will eventually make their own Controllers. They won't pass up the opportunity to charge an insane amount for something like that.
Maybe the second vision pro will have controllers, but the first one is a dud for playing games. The first one is for those with too much money on their hands.
This is a really interesting set of points.
Bravo Panayioti very good
"Before VR can become something that everyone can afford,
it must become something that everybody wants"
Yup...
This guy knows exactly what he’s talking about👍🏾
Completely agree. I portable bigsgreen beyond would be amazing
Peter uou should make it clear when this interview was recorded to give the conversation more context.
I was waiting for Apple VR. Then I learned when it was introduced, it was not available and the price. I bought a Quest Pro. Were it available for 2000usd probably I would have bought vision pro.
AR combined with ai is going to create a singularity in the late 2020s to mid 2030s.
It's already created... We entered it a few years ago.
That guy knows what he's talking about!
Interesting that he mentions the external puck, which Apple certainly used with the Vision Pro, but it unfortunately didn't make its headset any lighter than the current ones on the market that are still just a little too heavy. So, with Vision Pro version one you actually have all the weight plus the puck. Not ideal at all. Hopefully future versions will actually make the choice there seem justified.
What about a cloud based super thin glasses. Having everything on the glass it's not smart. Probably in the future (and we already have) super fast connection. Why having everything on the glasses when you can stream it?
THIS. Pair it like a smart watch to phone
@@slickonthebeat22 exactly. Good chip but not everything must happen on device
i hope palmers non competes expire soon and he comes back to vr industry. he was the real guy who kicked off the current wave
what non competes do he have? what happened?
I appreciate what did for VR, but he's a MAGA maniac. It's why Facebook got rid of him in the first place.
Not a chance. He's making way more money working for the military-industrial complex.
The cell phone is a good analogy, I got my first cell phone around 1997 and it felt embarrassing to have one in public, I remember I use to hide to use it and when kids on my block found out I had one they use to crowd around to see it, it was hella embarrassing.
funkmonkeyfun
analog was fucked up, i already owned GPS Gen 2 in 1997, the Sony non smart model
Monkey people still need Nokia ? Why you need kids ?
What's the name of the cool drone in the background??
It’s called the Ghost, it’s a military drone from his company, Anduril
They made battery on the wire and still headset is heavier than quest 3. How much that shiny front glass weight?
You need the Fixit video !
Meta quest 3 forgets window placement location when you take tye headset off. Very annoying
The most interesting comment on the Vision Pro !
Can a VR/AR headset that resembles "chunky sunglasses" have a FOV that matches that of human vision?
No but it will be wider than the FOV of the Vision Pro.
I think tethered processors is definitely the way to go
Do yourself a favor and go watch this full interview because the rest of it is absolutely mind-boggling.
AWESOME!
Apple most likely going to dump all the processing data to an iphone in the future. So the headset is going to just have the sensors. Vision Pro uses an M2 chip, iPad Pro has it but not on iphones yet. they might not slap it on the iphone if A series chip catch up
@7:35 LOL, Crocs come to mind. When they were writing the movie idiocracy they picked those shoes because they didn't think anyone would actually be caught dead wearing them out in public.
one of the top 5 people in the world who’s opinion is relevant on this topic
Price is pretty steep for product entering late in the game
They know what they are doing. They are creating hype and will drop the price a good bit at some point.
Apple entered personal computing late in the game too
the battery is off the head and heavier than quest 3, genius!
Tape it to your rib cage
We already have First person View (FPV goggles) glasses used in the drone industry for the recreational, commercial and defence sector.
If interviewed again now that the headset is out he would probably show disappointment and recommend the Quest 3 or Quest pro instead
5:39 I believe that Palmer Lucky is right here , people are going to spend more of their time in an augmented view ( if that's what you like to call it 😒) or virtual reality (VR) or extended reality (XR) or by its greates name the METAVERSE 😁
VR Sunglasses= Immersed Visor. Released mid-2024. Less than 200g
If it's real.
As a massive tech fan, I just had the most overwhelming feeling of us all becoming more and more insular, I don't think we need these products..... The are cool, but we don't need them, they won't make us happier.
The processing power and battery of the future Apple Glasses will be powered by the future powerful iPhone
I wouldn't be surprised if we see a variety of different form factors. They might end up looking like hats, helmets and ski-masks.
Imagine wearing around a Mandalorian helmet 😂
How many Meta shares does he hold?
Never thought of using phone in public as bizarre in any period, any generation.
USD3500 price is before tax in other countries.
In a few generations the Apple Vision XYZ will just connect to your iPhone and it will power the VR headset.
I appreciate that the VR market is advanced favorably with Apples product. In saying that, for the "financially challenged" persons, such as myself, that sort of asking price has to be exceedingly justified and supported for the long haul. Though, any BIG tech company's MO is to make money and don't care about the consumer what so ever. If you have a two year old Apple/Samsung/Whatever device, you know, they don't care. I foresee many Apple vision pro users soon thinking.. "I've had my fun, it was cool.... but I shouldn't have spent that much on that experience"... Just for ref, I've had the PSVR 1, Quest 2, and now 3... what makes the hardware? Software...
It’s Ricky from the Trailer Park Boys
why they kept the processing inside the headset ? This was the question to ask. This thing is much to heavy, even without the battery.
The platform has to be "un-dorkyfied". From the Inside it looks great, outside you look like a dork. Apple is very good a styling. Much exterior work is required for full consumer adoption. Will we all be wearing Star Trooper helmets in the future ?
Brain computer interface is the ultimate format. Weird that Palmer didn't mention that but is stuck in the trying to make analogies based on the current hardware that's out there. That's like saying 'How will we incorporate all of the extra horses on these new cars as they get more powerful'. Elon, who own Nueralink, has been quoted as saying 'The best part is no part at all' in reference to optimizing production hardware. A brain insert that communicates with your phone/computer is all that will be required.
Those chunky sunglasses that Palmer is talking about will be released by the end of March: XReal Air 2 Ultra and they'll cost $699...you're welcome.
Living in AR is the future
Palmer is right about most things. I think he is still overly optimistic about mainstream usage. Also, he makes the common mistake of thinking Apple is a marketing company. This may be more true that it was before, but that is not the foundation of their business. He doesn't understand industrial design.
Palmer Luckey...almost feels like it should be swapped...Luckey Palmer. I swear there was a Lucky Palmer in history somewhere...but Google can't find one. maybe it's just to cigarette companies my parents had around...Anyway. I don't think bringing this tech down to glasses size will be the best, most immersive experience. Naturally, at some point we'll have the tech to create full-peripheral viewing, and stick more of the tech in a puck, but also, we are going to want something that fully form-fits our faces, to keep the light out. I think tech like Big Screen Beyond is getting to the size that would be acceptable for any future headset. If they can keep the weight down, the FOV and battery life up, I think around that size will be the minimum for an actual VR/AR headset. Now, if we are talking about just AR and/or wearing a Copilot around your daily life, then yes, a pair of glasses is the way to go.
These guys so want it to be like ready player one. Hahahahaha
The VR experience, as an idea, can and should be reduced to 'New Display', and let's be real, this type of product would do best being oriented for the techbro/gaming market, which IS a very dynamic market.
Also, the PC master race has proven, time and time again, that keyboard mouse input is far superior to handheld input in every way, from critical things such as accuracy, to less important things, such as comfort.
Hehe, may sir Tim Cook watch this and change things according to Palmer's
God bless innovators.
Apple did a lot of things right except the proprietary power, not having any computer connection to fix the issue that I've seen popping up, but then again it wouldn't be an apple device without the words "proprietary" and "unfixable at home"
No one looked weird carrying a cellphone around.
I get that vr developer must be an enthusiast, but the level of copium is really rising. Want thin ar glasses? Try xreal, they can actually be used for work, unlike vision or oculus. And they can give it to you now, unlike oculus (that i own) and vision (that i wouldn't buy even for 2k)
Glasses?…I’m looking for contacts. 😅
I watched a Dust Anthology movie short about this a while back. Don't remember the title though. It was about a man and his little daughter. It wasn't until the end of the movie that it was understood that his daughter was not really there. She was either an AI of a daughter he lost, or it was an AI of a daughter he just wanted to have. Very interesting concept. AR on this level would certainly make the world a more interesting place to look at, which was also very well represented in the movie.
contacts?...it will be implanted to your brain by Elon Musk. 😅
His transition from Brandon Frasier to Rosie O’Donnel is going pretty well all things considered
Rosie O’Donnel is going pretty ?
what do you need, why cry that ?
Palmer Luckey is the Linus Torvalds of VR. 30 years from now we will be looking back on him as a kind of "prophet" of this technology. Save this post.
I saw the vision pro and there was nothing really that I want from it, definitely no 'lust' for it. It may be because I'm a former rift s user but unless these things can start to fit in a pocket I'm not buying anything.
Problem is you can't have a shared experience and allow the people with you to see what you are seeing. Would be better to have a little holographic projector mounted on your head.
I think Holograms are probably not feasible in the way we imagine, so AR is going to be the way to make holograms real in the future. It's just not there yet.
They'll fix that issue very soon! Sounds like a software update to me.
@@sergeayissi939 Analyzing this specifically, there are big issues about scale, privacy and more.
I think we might see some kind of shared experiences soon, band maybe prototypes of the "real" big thing, but I don't think we'll see what I'm envisioning as public holograms for a long time.
I love VR but I still have a hard time seeing everyone wearing AR glasses everywhere. I get the benefits it could bring but just don’t see it. I’ll probably be wrong but I don’t see that happening.
Its not about the price, its about the comfort for that price and that thing aint comfortable
Just get a Quest 3.
All hardware and dev stuff aside, Apple should have done a fake "beta release" wide like Gmail and you have to get a referral from someone to get one and register as a developer. In that way it would become inclusive of the actual first-in people who won't feel ripped off in a year like all early adopters do and say they contributed to the actual release. With a commercials release like this Apple is putting too many delicate eggs in an untested basket
Good points. But I think if Steve Jobs were alive he’d be pushing for better pricing, less weight and everything on the headset.
Maybe. He definitely would have moved the needle quicker.
Except all of the processing is in the fucking headset lmao, bro had no idea what he was talking about
The biggest problem of AVP is they separate the battery but Goggles still way heavy against MQ3, it doesn't make sense at all.. of course the Picture quality is better on AVP because it's $3500 device which is 7x the price of MQ3, for now, Mark Zuckerberg is right, that the MQ3 is a better product period. not just on value, but on its usability. AVP for now, is just a Showcase of what Apple can do on VR.. next gen VR will be a different story.. let's see..
No. The reason Apple put the battery not on the headset it's because that headset is already wayyyyy too heavy.
Apple's Approach: The Oculus creator praises Apple's Vision Pro strategy. Apple targets high-end, premium features, which is the right starting point, even if the headset is expensive. They'll follow the tech industry trend of driving costs down in future iterations.
Inspiration over Affordability: This approach will inspire consumers' desire for the technology, even if it's out of reach financially. This 'lust factor' is valuable and was a core goal early in Oculus's development.
The Importance of Cool: VR and AR headsets once seemed strange, like earbuds or cellphones. With social engineering (celebs and influencers), they will become commonplace. Lady Gaga and Will.i.am have already demonstrated how outlandish glasses can pave the way for acceptance.
The Future of AR/VR: The Oculus creator is bullish. Headsets will be widely used for both AR and VR daily. The continuous blending of real and digital worlds will transform how we communicate.
Great summary!
Thanks, you save 8 minutes of my life.
@@Ryan256 thanks.
@@JohnNy-ni9np You're welcome! Glad it was useful.
@@I-Dophlerwhat ai software did you use😅
Will goggles be necessary if a person has a neurolink chip?
The problem with the quest is you are the product when you put a spyware company on your face.
People don't realize that you don't become a trillion dollar company by accident. These people know exactly what they're doing
It’s interesting that Apple is all about AI. I have zero confidence that they get it right cause 1) they can’t get Siri right (how the hell they gonna figure out something 1000x more complicated), 2) they still can’t get iCloud syncing right (messages still doesn’t sync with the Apple Watch, among other issues ), and 3) AI means different things to different people, and I doubt that Apple really understands true AI! Yeah, I’m still pissed about the $3500 price tag of the Apple scuba mask!
What if they just make the Iphone the processing unit? Just slap 1 more grand on top of that Iphone version and boom, apple makes another trillion.
I love this technology and Tech in general but what about THE CONTENT?
The most advanced cell phones with the best processor, camera, etc
are still used to browse dumb things like TikTok trends or Reels of stupid pranks.
What type of augmented reality are we going for? Macdonalds' ads in 8k? Fake news on X in 3D?
Just buy the Vision Pro and don’t open it wait 10,15 or 20 years and sell it.
PROFIT!
Q/acc #QuantumSupremacy
About the size and headset vs glasses he seems quite narrow-minded to me, it will be just sunglasses and then contact lens and even implants!!!
Never had an interest in VR. It seems a bit wonky to me... Just wearing that stupid thing on my face being bombarded by close range wireless frequencies is enough for me to say no.
I’d still think it’s weird people talk to Siri in public tho
@1:40. I find this specific comment amusing. Palmer, you yourself went back on your own words on the oculus reddit community which I was apart of just before you sold out oculus. You had very little regard for anyone but a big paycheck. I still have my Oculus DK1 I bought backing your idea and philosophy of what Oculus was building. Then facebook bought you out, jammed facebook signups in everyone's throats with their newly acquired hardware, and only recently went back on that because it slaughtered VR adoption. Sorry Palmer, applying Einstein's definition of insanity which is to say essentially doing the same thing twice expecting a different outcome: I'm done trusting anything that comes out of your mouth. Also, cut your hair my guy.
i don't believe this is still being taken seriously... who even pays these psychos?
This is a very old clip, 7 months old. His views changed since then
Do you mind sharing a link of him changing his views?
How have they changed?
Ok. Apple will fare better than you think they can.
Everyone wants to constantly compare new products to the icnonic products of the past, like the Apple II or the iPhone, just like they want to compare every new basketball player to Michael Jordan or every football player to Tom Brady, but these are once in a century devices, they don't come around once every the 10 or so years. Strapping a big ass computer to your face is apples and oranges to earbuds and cellphones, this is a much more niche product than these evangelists want you to think. Also, Apple paid tons of celebrities' and influencers to wear Apple watches and to this day nobody thinks they're cool, everyone who wears them looks like a massive dork...
smarter and makes zyck look salty and dumb
Apple headset is clunky. What is this guy on?.
Vision Pro is garbage. Wait for the third version folks