Mother 3 is Way Better Than EarthBound
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- Sorry for the questionable audio quality in certain snippets. New recording setup, still working out the kinks.
Heh, made a math error. I said Mother 3 came out eight years after EarthBound, in actuality it was twelve.
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Music:
Because I Love You - Keiichi Suzuki
Eight Melodies - Keiichi Suzuki, Hirokazu Tanaka
Mother 3 Love Theme - Shogo Sakai
Smiles and Tears - Keiichi Suzuki, Hirokazu Tanaka
Unfounded Revenge - Shogo Sakai
Porky's Porkies - Shogo Sakai
"attack misses half the time"
you bought the slingshot didn't you
Yeah lol
Or the Casey bat lol
Or the Yo-Yo
game journalist moment
in the beginning of the game i confess this stressed me a lot, but after i got more party members this problem basically disappeared
I never cried to any game ever. Mother 3 came the closest to almost making me cry, though.
+Super Fluffy Kirby Same. That cutscene after Chapter 3 made my eyes water.
same ._.
I was sobbing at the end of chapter 1. Mother 3 was the best 11$ I ever spent.
Your tears won’t bring Claus back.
SimpleArtSketches I didn’t cry to mother 3 but I felt emotions from the ending
Earthbound is difficult? Oh...so you haven't heard of Mother 1 then...
Mother 1 is easier than eartbound
Emanuel Escobar Lizarro lmao not for me, i had to resort to save states to get past anything in Mother 1
i wasn't saying that earthbound isn't hard, i was just saying that it's not harder than mother 1 for me.
ohh okay
Mother 3 is easily the hardest
I greatly prefer Mother 3's story over Earthbound's and Earthbound's world over Mother 3. They're difficult games to compare.
exactly. theres something so charming about the 1990s suburban american setting. mother 3 is so far removed from modern day that if the animation was different it wouldnt even be a mother game, still great game tho
You know, I'm a 14 year old kid who is used to more convenient RPGs, and after trying out earthbound I have to say this guy is over exaggerating the early game problems and menu problems in a major way, by the time I got to twoson I was used to everything and completely enjoyed the rest of the game
elder scrolls yeah dude is over exaggerating the problem I had with 3 was about how linear it was and the fact they tooks guts out of the game and the story was cool but tried to play the emotional card too much
Just my personal opinion, my good sir and fellow Mother fan, I think that Mother 2's menus where less straight forward than mother 3s. Just my personal opinion pls don be triggered
Big Bois, you're an early teen Mother fan in today's time. I LEGIT thought that I was the only one.
Hold on there nieghborino
Nairs & Stuff, whadda ya want, Flanders.
Everybody gangsta till you remember
Ninten,Ana,Lloyd, and Teddy🥺
Yeah boi
I remember the Peanuts NPCs.
Oh well
*Loid* but yeah
@@caxolog nope, his name is Lloyd, it was confirmed, look at his spirit in smash ultimate.
Mother 3 is objectively a better game than Mother 2. However I enjoyed Mother 2 more.
took the words out of my mouth
I think Earthbound better because there is some way funnier dialogue. I also liked the music in Earthbound better. I also like the gameplay of Earthbound and Mother 3 equally.
I enjoyed Mother 3 more than Earthbound just because the characters, sprites, music and that just feels better to me. Along with the story. Not that I hate Earthbound, I love it too and it has its charm and is, as all good games should be, fun.
Dude - Tell that to E.T.
How is it "objectively better"? The point of a video game is to make you enjoy it. If Earthbound peaked your enjoyment more than Mother 3 did, than for you, Earthbound was a better game. For me, Earthbound was WAY more fun and memorable. Also, Mother 3 didn't bring anything new to the table. Earthbound was extremely innovative and influential, while Mother 3 was easier and way too plot heavy. Not to say the plot was bad, because the writing is great, but still.
EarthBound Beginnings Gave me bliss.
Mother 3 Gave me smiles and tears.
EarthBound, brought back a part of me that I thought was gone or lost.
Mother 3 is a better game than EarthBound, because EarthBound is not a game, it is an experience.
That is why I love EarthBound.
This comment is ridiculously underrated. Earthbound has a beautiful charm to it, thats kind of hard to put into words. It's as if I want to travel the world myself with friends of different backgrounds and culture on an Earthbound adventure.
Well put.
I think Itoi was working from the heart when he made Earthbound, EBB too. They have a mysterious power, much like their characters. Mother 3 does not have this imo, but it's a great game regardless.
I see what you mean, and I feel that way, but about Mother 3.
It is probably the most important game in the entire world to me.
100% agree. Earthbound made me feel like a kid again and restored my faith in the world. Mother 3 took all that away. Both are amazing games, playing Earthbound before Mother 3 made the latter hit way harder. I like to think the series is called Mother because mothers are the ultimate symbol for unconditional love. If you don't call your mother regularly in Earthbound, Ness will get depressed. Mother 3 is all about the absence of that love, having no one to turn to when you're sad, being forced to leave your childhood behind before you're ready to do so.
I call my mother a lot more since i've played them.
I think earthbound is the superior game, I like the settings, characters, and humor more. Mother 3 was like bad sci-fi.
As soon as I saw the smoothing filter being used in your mother 3 footage, a part of me died inside.
Oh god why would he
That bugged me for the whole video
I never understood why people like (if there are any) the smoothening filter, maybe it looks good on some games but almost all of the gba games i play which is probably more than 10 games, all trigger me when the smooth filter is on
y tho
@@doddermodd It ruins the amazing pixel art.
"Earthound doesn't have an interesting plot"
Literally all of Giygas's existance
It isn't as gripping or nuanced as Mother 3, though. After playing EarthBound, I thought to myself "Wow! This was cool! What a great inspiration for modern developers!", but after playing Mother 3 I was changed forever... I still think to this day how I felt when I played through Mother 3, and the impact that it had on me in my writing. There is a lot more depth and symbolism in Mother 3, and it's one of the few games that can really force you to cry.
@@Azure1013 I don't cry easy but it did make me sad
Earthbound had a better story than mother 3, mother 3 felt SO GENERIC
@@jakedematteo2172 care to elaborate???
a character is NOT a plot. also, most of the interesting parts about giygas are in mother 1. in earthbound he's creepy and a creative looking villain sure, but that's like basically it.
Honestly I love earthbound for its funny and weird humor. Cool dialogue and awesome story, but mother 3 had character development, a bigger plot, more interesting characters improved mechanics. I finsished this game in only three days because it was so addicting. So yeah I would I personally enjoyed Mother 3 more.
Also the Mother 3 ending is the closest i've ever come to crying in a video game.
I honestly don't think the beginning of Earthbound was difficult or annoying...
There's a lot of grinding in the beginning and the story takes a while to pick up, but that's just how many NES and SNES games were. I suppose (for me at least) it was only difficult because I don't like grinding and it got rather tedious, but I kept an open mind and played on, and the game really improved from there.
+Darticus the Great you shouldn't need to grind in earthbound
linkthehylian71 Maybe it was because it was my first game in the series (honestly, the first non-Pokemon JRPG I ever played). But I feel like the first 2 games (*especially* Mother 1) have a level curve that's just a bit too steep, because you don't have money or xp and there's enemies that can actually kill (i.e. Skate punks), so to be able to counter that you need to grind up a bit on the stray dogs and all that (that sounds terrible OOC ;_;)
Also I technically had to grind for the sword of kings, but that's a completely different matter.
+Darticus the Great yeah true
Easy for you to say
I very recently played fully though Earthbound and I honestly didn't have these problems, (Except for the asshole exploding tree. He was a total dick.)
Indeed; Peaceful Rest Valley in general is rather notorious for being probably the hardest area in the game (relative to the expected level, of course) - otherwise I didn't have that much trouble with it either. If you had the proper items and weren't stingy with them or PSI, you would rarely lose.
Better than the Big Woodoh in Mother 1...
@@sweetwheatsy honestly not for me
Also, running is replaced with biking but you can only go solo and not with a dead party member.
In Mother 3 you can run infinitely so long as none of your party members have collapsed.
@@probium2832 Shigesato Itoi wrote Mother 3, but he didn't directed it like Earthbound. It shows
Objectively, both games are great. It's just the fact that they are so different compared to each other,and this is what separes Earthbound-lovers and Mother 3 fans.However,I personally think Mother 3 is sort of better written that EB(please do not attack me,opinions are not reasons of fighting). Just thinking about the huge work Itoi and company did to launch this game would do(almost 12 years,suffering such a development hell is not easy,really). But...there is something special about this one. Being the darkest out of the 3 installments in the MOTHER franchise,Mother 3 tries to combine the utopia(in its two states,perfection and evil) with the sufferings people go through for ages to be stronger,and age really doesn't count(see Lucas' story). And it does that succesfully.But,it still has the humour Earthbound did,using both children-themed jokes(Jar of Yummy Pickles,you'd rather find this in a cartoon,right?)and adult-oriented ones(if I am not wrong,there is a guy you met during the three Porky games who says something about your fly being out?)And then there is Earthbound. It's a more "American" game,in the matter of the fact that you've got anything you want:cops,knives(Franky,got it?) and so on...
It's really quirky,and it is unique within its...cartoonish...style. But still,the only mature thing I honestly found there is Porky's case. He was so unlucky,he got some quite crazy parents,lacking any sort of love,trying to get Ness' attention from simple conversing,to kidnapping Paula and anything else you want to imagine. And the Mu training(screwing eyeballs,remember?) It's meant,in my opinion,to be just like an American,90's movie:horror combined with jokes and anything quirky and even romantism.
So...it's hard to say,but I still come to the idea that Mother 3 surely is more deep and does what EB doesn't. The first imagines a surrealistic world,offering sollutions when it comes to tragedies some people have to go through,while the latter is,in its own way,an image of the actual society.
End of story.
This is the only person who iv'e here'd complain about Earthbound's difficulty...wow
William Oros it's objectively the easiest in the series
The hardest is obviously mother 1
William Oros The Part before defeating a Frank is one of the more annoying parts of the game but you can fix that with grinding
Mother 3 was harder than Earthbound and in unfair ways too. I grind to like level 19 with Flint for Chapter 1, only to get dropped into Chapter 2 with Duster as a level 8 underpowered scrub?
hepwo91222 but at least Duster has his wall staples
Earthbound for me is so relatable in terms of it's story, I really don't know why, but whenever I listen to the games music, or see the characters, part of me lights up inside and I get emotional. There's something about the characters in Earthbound that remind me of my youth and remind me how I wish I was still a kid.
Lol what story? Its just going from place to place with some one liners thrown in
@@brya9681 imagine exposing yourself as a simpleton, couldn't be me 🤧
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But its True mother 3 i better
@@italianrpgs And Your grammar is terrible
@@italianrpgs Shigesato Itoi wrote Mother 3, but he didn't directed it like Earthbound. It shows
@@orangeslash1667 its true
@@orangeslash1667 but i still like mother 3 more
I find it pretty insane you said Earthbound is overrated. Aside from it's pretty small online following, the game has had next to no recognition outside of Smash & having 2 of the games put on the eShop. I can understand your other complaints, they are things that every Mother fan knows. Like you, when I first started playing Earthbound I put down the game for months after an hour or so of gameplay out of boredom. The slow start is a failure of game design. But when I picked it back up, I wondered why I even quit playing it originally.
The game has something no other game I've ever played has, and I don't know what it is. The charm, the artstyle (although it is somewhat amateur), scenery or what. It has never been replicated in my opinion, not even in Mother 3. I love Mother 3 a LOT. But it has always been barely nudged out by Earthbound in a contest of which game I personally like more.
It's not rose tinted nostalgia goggles, either. I first played Earthbound in 2013 when it was released on the Wii U virtual console, and subsequently played Mother 3 a few months after that on an emulator. What I'm trying to say is that I think your points have a lot of foundation, but I can't help but believe you are over blowing them. Earthbound is a game I've always liked to immerse myself in.
The universe it is set in is so different from a lot of JRPGs at the time. The design of some of the enemies is A++, ESPECIALLY Giygas' alien servants. The subtle pop culture references are the icing on the cake. They are there but just spread out enough to not be in your face. Something like the sampling taken from various influential artists or the really minor dialogue that you can easy miss if you're not paying attention is the perfect way to reference anything, and Earthbound really nails that aspect.
I should also add that Earthbound being mysterious is part of the theme. The player is left to decide the majority of personality for each character, the background story for each enemy or scene, whatever. The game literally ends with YOU (Yes, you. Not Ness, not Paula, not Jeff or Poo) saving the universe. When Paula's prayers are absorbed by darkness and nothing else can save the group & universe, the player does. You can dismiss that as a lazy writing cop-out, and you'd have a point, but that's just what I've always felt while playing Earthbound. Like I said, the designs of stuff (The Shamblers, Mooks, Starmen, etc) are all unique and stand out from a lot of your generic video game JRPG enemies.
I feel as if in Mother 3, the game loses a lot of it's creativity and imagination and replaces it with a really strong, hard hitting plot. It's for that reason that whenever I replay Mother 3 (which I have done more times than Earthbound) I try not to judge it as Earthbound 2 but rather it's own thing entirely. It's a game that improved everything wrong with the previous game in terms of gameplay itself but still managed to do it's own thing, and it did it well.
A few comments down +FullmetalGhoul perfectly describes what I mean. It's not just wacky for the sake of being wacky, Earthbound seriously succeeds in being a whimsical experience. In his words, "Earthbound feels like it was written and directed by someone with the talent of a wise adult and the mindset and energy of a child.". It's not childish, it's not adult. It's a perfect mix. It's imaginative in a way that has yet to be replicated by any other game (in my opinion).
Look into the development story for Earthbound if you don't already know it, it'll make you appreciate the final product even more. The game was literally made with nothing but love and joy.
All 3 games suck. Mother 4 reigns supreme.
Not as overrated as undertale tho
Chugcat Entertainment Agreed
Link Solstice Actually, most Mother fans do know that the third game exists. If they don't, they're probably not much of a fan.
The reason for the fever before realizing a new power is symbolism. This is a paraphrase, but Itoi said in a interview that he believes that after you overcome a hard illness you become stronger, and so that belief was implemented into the game.
I like Mother 1 more than Earthbound which is an actually unpopular opinion. I've never heard someone say that earthbound was better than Mother 3.
I have, and very obstinately at that.
Same! I love his novel it is, it spirit (enemies) are very unique!
There's a lot of people who love EB more for it's nostalgia factor.
You must *REALLY* like NES games to like Mother 1 more than Earthbound. That game is unfair and a bit tedious (good for an NES game though). Do you like Zelda II too? On an unrelated note, I'm trying to play through that game on the 3DS VC *without save states* or walkthroughs (although I've gleaned information from my last playthrough where I had both), and I'm feeling the pain. 20+ tries to get to the final boss(es) and I've only gotten Thunderbird about half down so far. I made the mistake of not grinding for levels and now I don't have the magic for Shield or Jump, and I'm no longer in a position to get XP safely. I would have been able to finish it in like 4 days.
Also I defeated Dark Link without the crouch and stab method last time, although I used save states (so does it really count? still took me 3+ hours)
Im grinding to level 99
Goodbye sanity
***** Honestly if it had a rolling counter like Earthbound it'd be fine.
And the overworked is insanely large for a NES game. Then again, I haven't played any other NES RPGs (besides Zelda II) so I don't have much reference.
JOKES ON YOU, I’M NOT ABLE TO PLAY EITHER.
@@kenwalkensdeadchannelcanal2886 Understood, it isn't for everyone
(Before watching the video)
-more pleasant visuals
-dash mechanic
-way better plot
-less grinding
-better pacing
-hot springs being way more convenient than hospitals
-more strategy involved in battles
-more interaction in battles with the rhythm mechanic
-characters are more interesting
-way more powerful message
-better map design (harder to get lost)
-doesn't copy tons of aspects and designs from its prequel
-he beginning of the game isn't completely awful and unbalanced
Really, all Earthbound has over Mother 3 is it's music (which is debatable), the auto-battle mechanic, and getting exp by instantly defeating low-level enemies. You have to be nostalgiablind or bias against new things to think EarthBound is better than its sequel
Pretty much hit the nail on the head there.
I think mother 3 music is better than earthbound music
+BalaTheHero9 Agreed.
I don't think we should compare the music between Mother 2 and 3 because they have drastically different styles. Compare "Battle Against a Weird Foe" to "Hard Rain". Mother 2's music was awkward but melodically interesting. Mother 3 had music that sounded more normal and modern. I personally think they're both great across each game; they just felt different.
+BalaTheHero9 The great thing about Mother 3 is that the instabattle thing isn't even needed anyway thanks to its better design.
My friend burst out laughing during that scene in chapter 1 where flint finds out Hinawa is dead. Then again, he is the kind of guy who named flint ButtHead so....
+fishmrinc I laughed the first time because of the bizarre writing.
The writer did it on purpose.
+fishmrinc I was just asking the game WHY!?
the good news is that I found a drago fang that serves no purpose besides symbolism and a way to defeat a drago that killed your son and wife that you forget about after you use it... *thanks, and have fun*
+porky guy It didnt kill Claus
Petra karoliina Jämsä it eventually did, if you think about it
Mother 3 is just tears tears and more tears
Lucas has nobody to turn to whenever he is homesick
Unlike Ness who has his mother to turn to
Lucas never gets homesick
Why would Lucas be homesick when there is no one waiting for him there? His only family was his dog for 3 entire years, and his dog goes with him everywhere, he gets worried about the sheeps at best, and even then he knows they can take care of themselfs so he doesn't stress about it.
C'mon guys, i like both, lol!
Ikr
Now that, THAT'S the sign of a true intellectual.
I get your opinion, however, I personally prefer EarthBound for its non-linearity and almost parody-like story. Mother 3 actually tried to focus more on the plot but at the cost of being linear as hell as well as occasionally being cliched. Additionally, I found Mother 3 to be more grindy than EarthBound. I never had to grind in EarthBound and I found it very easy, however with Mother 3 I almost always had to grind before every boss after Chapter 3. However, both games are in my top 15 favourite games of all time and this is a very good video, I just like blatantly shoving my opinion down people's throats XD
Amen. Mother 3 lacked the child like wonder and awe of Earthbound. The heavy story didn't allow for the humor and quirkiness to be as easily digested. Also the world didn't feel as relatable as Eagleland. I could continue my rant but, needless to say, I'm glad someone agrees with me on this. Still both great games though.
M3 is Earthbound with emotion. BAM. in ur face XD.
+Foxboy 117 Earthbound had emotional depth it was just much more subtle. Even the music and dialogue encouraged emotion. Mother 3 just lays it's emotional cards on the table where as Earthbound only touches on moments of emotion at key points in the story.
Billy Jenkins What??? Have you played M3 b4? Earthbound is just stop Gygus (idk how to spell his name ;-;) and go home. M3 was not only sropping Porky from destroying the world but finding your lost brother. That ending was so emotional ;-;.
Stopping* :p
For me, I think that Earthbound and Mother 3 are trying to be different games.
Earthbound isn’t really focused on an engaging narrative. There’s almost no character development for our party members and the main conflict with Giygas is almost never at the forefront. These are things I look for in RPGs and other story based games, but Earthbound, from almost the very beginning, sets itself apart as a game that doesn’t care about that; rather than a captivating story, it’s a game that just does whatever the heck it wants. It’s humor, quirkiNESS, and emotions are at the forefront, and as such, I don’t like to judge it on a basis that I judge other, more story-driven RPGs. Why say that it’s a failure at something it was never trying to be?
For me, Earthbound’s strengths lie in it’s world, writing, and bat-shit crazy scenarios. The beginning of the game is no doubt frustratingly hard (basically everything up until Happy Happy Village, and even after that it will still kick you in the balls on occasion), but on my first playthrough, I always felt like Earthbound’s stronger elements were so good that I wanted to keep going and see what happens next. It also helps that with Earthbound, I never felt the need to grind (and this might vary from player to player). I always felt that, even if I got my ass kicked, I was still at the very least capable of conquering whatever challenge was ahead.
I don’t blame you for not enjoying earthbound as much. I love it, and I recommend it to everyone I can, but overhype can kill anything, which makes me sad. And depending on the person, you may not favor the good aspects to bad aspects ratio. I’m sorry you didn’t enjoy Earthbound, but I’m glad you at least gave it a shot and enjoy mother 3 🙂
i have never respected a opinion on the internet so much.
>earthbound
>difficult
I agree. I really don't understand how somebody could play both and still like Earthbound more. Mother 3 improves upon nearly everything--story, mechanics, pacing, leveling, setting.
Possibly because of it's unique charm: Surrealism, exclusive humor, cybernetics
As previous comments state, MOTHER 3 lost the uniqueness ( besides humor and a fraction of cybernetics ) that was discovered by Earthbound and substitutes it for an interesting story.
I thought Mother was too linear. You always know where to go, you don t have a huge world to explore and go back to. You don t really have to talk to everyone to have a clue about where to go next, and that s what I like about Earthbound. You were in this huge world where you had so many funny quirky dialogues. And you had some emotional bits too, especially at the end. Also the enemies and settings were more memorable and I thought the game was prettier. I do agree that Mother 3 has a better storyline and is very emotional but it s a totally different kind of game and I just missed running around in a huge world not knowing where to go next and crazy locations like Magicant ,Moonside or the Happy Happy village.
Cuilleron Claire All great points! One of my favorite changes in Mother 3 was that it always has a sense of direction and plot relevence, but it makes sense that some people wouldn't like the linearity. I mean, the whole island in Mother 3 is basically one big line (which I loved). There was definitely a bigger emphasis on discovery in EB. I can understanding liking the game more for that.
Smart Bulb Productions Yeah, now that you all say this, they're both indispensible games. I have a strong opinion about which is better because I so vastly prefered the experience of Mother 3, but M3 has not made EB obsolete or anything. They both offer something you can't find in any other game (including in each other).
Yeah the Mother games feel comparable and incomparable at the same time. I like them both equally pretty much. Earthbound is way more light-hearted for example.
save the fact that earthbound was released 12 years earlier - its beauty and brilliance comes from how open to interpretation the story was and the hidden “depth”. it is extremely easy to miss by the intentional use of children, goofiness, nonsensical elements, etc., but this is done intentionally to try and hide the actual seedy world of earthbound. it is actually extremely dark and an amazing story of good and evil, of growing up and of sacrifice. earthbound was way ahead of its time in dealing with real-life issues and conflicts and this why, for many, it goes down as one of the greatest rpg’s of all time - not because of its mechanics, but because of its story. unfortunately, this is also why it was not well received in the US due to its “hidden” deeper meaning.
Chrono trigger came out a year later is does everything 1,000 times better and Ff1 and 2 came out before it also does those things better. Its time period is not an excuse
Wow to say the story and characters are nothing to write home about and to say the characters lack depth and characterization is odd. I don't remember a game with this much depth in 94. I mean, you're entitled to your opinions... that's all good... but I and everything I've asked, who's played earthbound, became emotionally attached to the characters more so than most other games. I think your review would be like someone reviewing Pong now... I can see it now... "Pong sucks, how can anyone think that game is fun, it's horrible compared to COD" or some other non-sense. However, from what I understand, that blew peoples minds. *shrug*
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And chrono trigger, yyyeeahhhh that's a super great point. However, it doesn't take away from the depth of earthbound and the emotional attachment the game brings to the characters and the music. Like I said you're entitled to your opinions and it's all good, I just felt some of them un-fair. I still need to play mother 3, waiting for an official release :)
I'm afraid you'll be waiting a long time, my friend.
If you're still waiting, don't bother. It'll be years probably and Nintendo might end up censoring a lot of the game.
Jason Cox Personally, I play most games for actual gameplay, and that's why I didn't like RPGs until a few years ago. But I have also come to appreciate story driven games such as Undertale, and of course Mother 3. With Earthbound, sure I enjoy the quirky vibe of everything in that game, but the actual story really is bare bones, and I didn't find myself truly invested until I was about 3 quarters through the game. But with games like Paper Mario, I can look past that due to the gameplay which really pulls me in! But I really find Earthbound's battle system bland, until again, you get through 3 quarters of the game. I'm not saying Earthbound is bad, but Mother 3 just does the story, battle system, and almost everything else better. I feel like if earthbound took place in a fantasy setting, it would go unnoticed. Of course, this is just MY opinion
Earthbound? Difficult? Are you joking?
Early game is hard I have to admit it but gameplay wasn’t poorly constructed. Battles are good after the first town and the hp rolling mechanic does works itself out once you reach 100 hp or so. Also the mushroom illness can be get rid of for free by a girl near Twoson. The menus also aren’t THAT bad though inventory space does suck...
Guys don't get mad. He just focused on the bad things for earthbound and good things for mother 3
Michael F No he isn't
Michael F You must have skipped some parts, he talks about flaws of Mother 3 right here... 8:27
Lol, I thought Earthbound was too easy. Everything you disliked about Earthbound was either awesome to me or not true for me. I would rate it as the most influential game in my life because it was so different. And Mother 3 was more difficult for me but I have only played the first 20 minutes of it.. If you really want to play a challenging game, go for Earthbound Hallows End( I highly recommend that one) or the Halloween Earthbound hack by Toby Fox. And Earthbound as a game, (meaning game play and all that jazz) is okay. I understand what you are saying about it lacking as a "game". But so many games now are just like every other game. It is annoying to me (not to mention a deal breaker). However, the story of Earthbound always kept me captivated. it felt like a drug-induced trip when I was playing this game as a kid because it is so different. It gave me the feels.
Its not easy. Its not hard too.
I can say that
Psycho Joona it's easy
TBH I enjoyed Earthbound *because* it was easy.
I enjoyed Earthbound more because the missing information is filled with imagination
YuleGenesis Wtf Earthbound's beginning was extremely difficult. Even then, it's not too easy.
I like the concept of mother 3 way better. I liked the chimera concept way better than giygas.
EarthBound is one of my favorite games ever - but if you don’t fall in love with it’s strengths (thought provoking, funny, adventurous, hints of emotional depth, surprising), it’s reduced to being a mid tier rpg. It seems you acknowledge it’s strengths but they didn’t resonate with you enough to overcome the games weaknesses
*Marge voice*
It's true but you shouldnt say it
I actually love the both
Both are amazing games, I think we can all agree on that.
The reason the hot tubs take time is to contrast the speed of the revitalising machines porky owns. Its meant to further emphasise the conviencince of the technology he's creating and why the people of tazmilly would switch. Its a small detail but I thought it was effective
Mother 3 is one of the only games that made me almost burst out crying. It was such a wonderful experience that hit all the right emotional notes for me in a way that no game since (except maybe majoras mask) has managed to do for me. A true masterpiece that. I have always felt that mother 3 was the best in the trilogy as well.
Play To The Moon
+Cool I have and loved every second of it :)
oh derp X3
+Finlay Foster that's so opinionated
David Lopez It sure is and I wasn't trying to make it anything else either haha, I just wanted to express my own humble opinion on why I loved the game so much personally and nothing more :)
Earthbound is a phenomenal game in the way of telling a subtle story telling. It’s more fi the existential emotion you feel over the direct spoken story.
The game play but the counter system is what makes the gameplay exhilarating, that rush to the clock to keep everyone with his HP while attacking, it was a rhythm to the gameplay that isn’t achieved by other RPG’s at the time
I like mother 3 more than earthbound but I feel as if you are under representing the game
Disagree, Earthbound is far too flawed to warrant its reputation. This video is actually criticizing it honestly and not just heaping praise on it
@@brya9681 it has so much soul tho
@@brya9681 not really, conceptually mother 3 is way more flawed than earthbound
Personally, I got very easily attached to EarthBound. But Mother 3(EarthBound 2) I dunno, I wasn't very attached to Mother 3. Sure, more people say that Mother 3 is better than EarthBound. But WAY better? That's EXTREMELY debatable.
Burning Sandal Yes, I think the same. Earthbound felt very special to me. Mother 3 was good too, but it didn't had the same effect that earthbound gave me
Mother 3 has better gameplay while Earthbound is more fun
Can we all just agree getting rid of the broken bat is the worst mistake in mother 2 before meeting Jeff?
Broken Bat?
@@cancerandaids3822 the weapon you start off with in mother 2
@@pikachugamer1189Ok and what’s the problem with it?
@@voltron77 I always thought you can have jeff fix it, but turns out I was wrong. dw about it
earthbound isn't hard lol
Sureeeeee....
I mean it's hard but if you say so
Luthor Graal It’s a cake walk once you get Jeff bottle rockets.
@@rickter1069 it's not hard when you start from Earthbound beginnings, if you'd played that game first, earthbound is waaaay to easy then
I disagree, Earthbound is better
I think mother 3 is better. It had better story, and a run feature. That's just my opinion though.
If you disagree, state why. Otherwise, no one gives a shit.
BalaTheHero9
Opinions, have you heard of them? Anyways, Mother 3 took out many things that made Earthbound a good game, like the humor and parodies of pop culture, as well as the story in Mother 3 didn't really make a lot of sense to me, Earthbound has a unique storyline. Another thing is Earthbound has Giygas, who was a great villain, Porky was just a fat, lazy, snobby brat, I hated him as a villain. The battles in Earthbound were also just really fun, Mother 3 felt tedious after a while.
pringelsthegamefreak
The story of Mother 3 is really not even slightly hard to understand as long as you can read.
EarthBound copies its story from the first Mother game and is really, really bland. 4 kids team up to defeat an alien invader. No twists, no turns, no complexity.
Giygas has no personality whatsoever. Porky does. You said you hated Porky, and that's the point, You're supposed to dislike the person you're fighting.
The part about battles makes aboslutely no sense. Mother 3 has rhythm battles, and new songs appear later in the game. There's more control and variance in Mother 3, so it's not more tedious.
+BalaTheHero9
Yo Bala, I agree.
Porky really hits hard as a villain,
ESPECIALLY if you play the games in order and start Mother 3 after Earthbound. Just seeing him as a chubby kid with HORRIBLE parents and a brother that dislikes him and who KNOWS what else, because like as far as we know Ness was "technically" his only friend. During all of his escapades I thought he was a dick, but also that how he is sort of isnt his fault??? You get what im trying to say?
And then in Mother 3 just seeing everything he's done, how he has gone WAY off the deep end,
the things he says, how he talks, the horrible things he's done to the new world. and him being aware that even if he were to stop, there would still be no end to put him out of his misery.
Such a good(bad) character, especially at endgame.
"Frustratingly difficult"
Grinds to level 5
Buys 5 hamburgers for Frank
Beats on first try.
EZ
Grinds to level 10
*FUCKING ENDS FRANK*
grinding is a bad thing and you shouldn't have to rely on it.
@@nicoluspeters9775 unless you you're under leveled then yes rely on it until right level
@@ghosty3494 no. grinding is not fun, and games should not be set up so that you have to do it.
@@nicoluspeters9775 but if you forgot to get levels then grinding to correct level is good because going somewhere under leveled is absolute pain
I have to agree that Mother 3 is way better than Earthbound. One important aspect that Mother 3 has a lot of that Earthbound has less of is it's emotional impacts. The death of the mother, the Mecha-Drago, the Magypsies, along with the sadness among characters, from the monkey to Claus in the final battle, those proceed far more emotional impacts than Earthbound.
Fuck the Mecha Drago.
But really, it's a great game.
Spoiler alert? Naw man this is A comment section for a mother related vid. The only thing you'll find here are most likely diehard Mother fans casually discussing the game
No
I was completely apathetic while playing it
I like earthbound more.
Just something about it clicks with me.
I will agree since you can dash in Mother 3 with the whole party, and in Earthbound you need a bicycle, which is only when you play as Ness.
Edit: but not agree TOO much.
I enjoy Earthbound for a couple of reasons. 1. More freedom to go where you want, when you want. Having a chapter system in Mother 3 made this difficult. 2. Because of the chapters, you don't feel like you really connect with some of the characters... I mean, I love Salsa, but I never felt like I really understood him more than his short part of the story... and bc his part is so short, leveling him up is basically pointless. 3. Same can be said of any other chapter-only character. You level up Flint? There's no point.
4. Smaller world so things didn't feel as big or epic. 5. The world, and characters of Mother 3 are less relateable than in Earthbound, because of how different the world is. 6. The whole game is more like a mystery about what happened to the world/what is going on right now. Once you solve the mystery, the game is less fun to play through.
U can tackle the last 3 needles B4 the final one in mother 3 in any order. Plus u can go back to areas sometimes to fight secret bosses but I agree it's not as open as earthbound. However getting around is earthbound is also really annoying until u get the warp cus u can only walk. There's a bike but only ness can ride it and I can't use it in most areas. Enemies will still attack you unless you're in a sanctuary and u just beat the boss. Plus I guess I may not know but I don't usually see much reason to go back to past areas in earthbound, unless u need too for the plot.
i play Earthbound for it's humor and difficult gameplay.
i play Mother 3 for it's dramatic and tragic story.
both are from the same franchise but i honestly think they're REALLY different.
mother 3's story is way better , but no game can beat earthbound's battle background.
they are so confusing. o.o
This I can agree with
Oh?, then check out the Mother 3 unusued background for the Final Boss
Nobody let him play Mother 1 without the Easy Ring.
Being serious though EarthBound has better aesthetics. Lucas in Tazmily felt like nowhere (hah) town suburbs where Ness was in a concrete place. Mother 3's geography was a chore. Snowy mountains here, fire volcano there, flying city hovering in the air BUT IN THE UNDERGROUND OF THAT FLYING CITY was the last needle in this creepy af cave. Not to mention the prologue chapters are annoying. And duster and bony are dull in character (one is literally a dog.) I feel people just relate more with EarthBound. I like both equally but I concede that mother 3 has stronger feels.
I love EarthBound but your reason for liking Mother 3 more is the same as mine. There's just more depth and it's generally more polished.
Maybe I didn't find Earthbound as frustrating myself though because I didn't play a lot of the SNES RPG's before it aside from Super Mario RPG. Either way everything you say in the video makes total sense to me.
Earthbound was the first rpg I played, favorite rpg ever
Mother 3, also favorite ever
Mario 64, first game I’ve ever played
Hotel: triviago
In my opinion, I like Earthbound more than Mother 3, but I do get what you’re saying.
There’s something about earthbound that makes people fall in love with it
Something I can’t describe maybe a sense of achievement?
I like mother 1 best. I felt like the characters were more human
even when i was a kid i was able to get through the beginning fairly easy
i agree with that mother 3 is better
Ya thanks. I'm yo boy Lucas
Mother 3 wouldn't make sense If mother 2 didn't exist
Mother 3 is why there won't be a Mother 4, it was out of ideas and overrated. Earthbound/Mother 2 was the peak of the series.
@@hepwo91222 you would say teh same about earthbound if it was the last one in the series
He is so controversial yet so brave
It's funny because i've played both games, first EB then Mother 3, and im more into Mother 3 but your reasons for "bashing" EB are really stupid... but i understand, and everyone has the right to think whatever they want.
Have you played Mother 1?
wouldnt say way better but better
They’re both incredible games, but it comes down to opinion and I simply like Mother 3 better
the only stupid point here imo was the hot tub thing. other then that you had some okay points. if everyone would pay attention they would see that this is not a review but a personal opinion. i myself love earthbound and its battle system and menu etc its so great to me that its my favorite game. but i can see why you would dislike it. some people just really love earthbound for some unknown reason like me and ignore most of the flaws and others that are not affected by its charm all that much see the flaws. i see why you would like mother 3 over earthbound.
kokostale he doesn't have a good point. He exaggerates the no offense defense down yet they are in the game. Not only the fact that mother 3 has alot more grinding than earthbound. Not only that the inventory problem sucks in all three games. The fact that apple kid and dr andonuts weren't memerable makes no sense as the doc was in mother three. Don't even get me started on the whole rolling hp thing. It is a fair trade as mother 2 has life up b dealing 300 hp to party members and only costing 8pp. I will not deny the lackluster story, but it was basically a Pokemon game in a sense which means less charactee development. Mother 3 is better but mother 3 capitalizes on the flaws in the first game and second, fixes them, and then takes the good things and yay. Also the fact that he struggles with earthbound bosses is funny. But either way I like ur profile from dangorompa.
Only decent comment I've seen here
_BOTH_ EB and M3 are grindy, too, peeps!
*YuudiHoshi* only for goths but like I said mother 3 is better
Jayden Battee you don't need to grind in Mother 3 at all. Just like in Chrono Trigger, the progression of the game is such that you will always be at the appropiate level to have a challenge, but never unfairly so. Earthbound has the grinding issue but only in the first minutes. After you beat Frank you will always be at the proper level, unless you constantly avoid battles (that applies for all 3 games actually).
Randy Valdivia tbh I agree but mother 3 started getting grindy in chapter 7
Boy if you thought Earthbounds game play was hard, you'd absolutely detest Mother 1
Mother 3 lacks the quirkiness of Earthbound but Earthbound lacks story and character development. As much as liked Mother 3's characters, it didn't really in Earthbound, the gameplay and music along with the quirkiness make this series awesome.
Dude you seriously complaining about the hot spring spots? I enjoyed relaxing with the music in the hot springs I would not mind if they had made it even longer.
But Earthbound is so easy.. lol I just beat Frank (haven't played it over 3 years) Leveling up takes no effort and plus you keep your EXP after you die soo lol. After the first part you barely have to grind only when it's necessary. I can see why ppl like Mother 3 more (I played Mother 3 first) but meh. I like EB I recently bought it on VC and Earthbound Beginnings.
Mother 3 is a lot more polished, and built and expanded upon EB in just about every way. But EB was the foundation that Mother 3 built upon, so which game should take more of the credit?
IMO I think Mother 3 is a better game in general (it was more fun for me, a lot less grinding), but EB was a lot more innovative.
***** TL;DR If you play through EB & Mother 3 without grinding for levels, they aren't easy. Trying to rush through the game actually makes it challenging (and more fun IMO).
Not if you don't grind for levels. I didn't grind for either (excluding EB only endgame for Sword of Kings) and both were quite challenging.
In the beginning of Earthbound, the skate punks hit very hard and Frank hits harder, and that's basically first on the agenda. Sure you can farm runaway dogs and spiteful crows and make Frank a pushover. But it takes a while and it's boring. And fighting through the Foursome Dept Store is just hard, especially without knowing beforehand to stock up on items. That being said, compared to most games grinding doesn't take long at all (and it was the first JRPG I've played), but without grinding it's still not easy,
And I didn't grind *at all* for Mother 3. From what I've heard most people ended up level 60-65 by the end and had PK Ground (which makes the boss gauntlet at the end *a lot* easier), but Kuma was at 42 by the end of my playthrough. To get an idea of how hard it was, after many tries I beat Miracle Fassad with just Lucas left, no healing items or PP, and 6HP and dropping. And that was after attacking quickly while my health was dropping and waiting when it was rising.
And don't even get me started on Mother 1. If you think that games's easy you're masochistic. Enemies that can 1HKO you midgame and Ana's the only one able to revive unconscious? Give me a break... I grinded on Mt Itoi for ~6hrs straight to get Ninten's SuperHealing, and I still struggled because PK Flash is broken af and can wipe both of them out in 1 turn. And if you think that game's *really* easy you're playing the wrong emulator version where you get so much XP that you can just kill anything in 1 hit by just playing the game.
Mother 1 was created as a parody of Dragon Quest. Earthbound just continued that joke/parody. That's why the menus look the way they do, and why everything is so minimalistic. Mother 3 I guess he threw out the Dragon Quest parody idea and just wanted to tell his own story.
That's the moral, kids If the parody was successful KEEP IT A PARODY.
Hah, play more and you will disagree with it being EASY. Wait till you meet the Smilin' Sphere.
Earthbound is my fav. SOOOOOO FUN
Honestly there reason why I like Earthbound is how its hard at the start. a lot of games now reward the player way to soon and spoon feed them a lot, where as with earthbound you have to play the entire game to game the best experience
Mother 3 is a good game.
Mother 2 is also a good game.
Mother 1 is a not-so great but still a good game
And Mother 4 isn't.
Earthbounds difficulty at the start is an allegory for hard work. You work hard early on so you'll have an easier time later on due to higher levels due to lots of experience and a lot of disposable income from beating enemies. Look you're not going to be able to beat teenagers rowdy adults and police officers as a child without some serious training and the game makes that quite realistic in a fantasy RPG setting.
i actually think the opposite. mother 3 was pretty difficult for me. i'm still stuck on that goddamn bass boss smh.
on earthbound, i DID get stuck on some points, but i was able to overcome every issue without wasting too much time (unlike my time w mother 3). then again, to each their own.
Screw that darn bass I want to grab him and smash him on the floor
i know this is necroposting and all but i'm replaying mother 3 rn and i think the bass boss is the only part between earthbound and mother 3 that i've had to grind to kill.
Earthbound < Mother 3 < Earthbound Beginnings
snooPING AS usual i see FINALLY someone who thinks the same way
lol nice joke
Earthbound < Mother 3 = Earthbound Beginnings.
Beta Beat, I didn't know you liked random encounters every half second that go at a snail's pace.
earthbound beginnings was terrible, the nes limited them too much. it was pretty good for a nes game, though
Playing Earthbound is Like Watching Horror Movie
Playing Mother 3 is Like Watching Korean Drama
In the Earthbound community, I'd say it's likely that your opinion is probably now a common one. I'm not sure how this came to be but I've noticed the community is filled with a lot of younger people that played Mother 3 before Earthbound and also people that never played Earthbound at all. I've noticed that those who played Mother 3 first tend to hold it in higher regard, and same for the ones that played Earthbound first as well. Personally, I have a lot more love for Earthbound, but I also played it during my formidable years in the 90's.
I agree that Earthbound by today's standards was not an easy game, and to address some of the points in the video (enemies being too hard, mushroom status screwing up your movement, etc), all I have to say is this: indeed the game beats you down at times, but it was all by design. You have grind sometimes, you'll get lost sometimes, and die over and over, they break you down but only to build you up again and it only makes the end so much sweeter.
I also think a mistake people make is viewing a 1995 game through a modern lens - games in the 80's/90's were a lot more brutal and didn't hold your hand as much. It was a different era, today games are easier in order to appeal to a wider audience (especially in the west) which ensures more sales but many older games would argue it waters down the gameplay.
mother 3 also has a main character that can talk
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The're both masterpieces
I like both equally. Earthbound was a gem for me back in the day but Mother 3 really shined in its story. It's amazing poignant and tragic.
It's better for You, but for me...
EarthBound is the best game i've ever played.
agreed, the ending just made me happy in so many ways.
I enjoy Mother 2's world and story a little more but Mother 3 is objectively a better built rpg and is a lot less frustrating than Mother 2 can sometimes be
I thought it was common knowledge that Mother 3 is a much better game than Earthbound. Hmmmm
"Common knowledge", yeah, because opinions are facts now. Excuse me for liking Earthbound more, CLEARLY I'm in the wrong, oh great one.
Danny Kazari Common? Yeah... Sure. I prefer earthbound more than Mother 3. But still I think both games are great.
I like the way Mother 3 expanded upon what made Earthbound fun. It still has quirky characters and weird enemies. But Mother 3 has something Earthbound doesn't. Character growth. Characters actually have reactions to everything and there is way more of a plot. Which makes the game better in my opinion. I still can have fun with Earthbound's battle system and the quirky moments and characters still make me laugh, but Mother 3 does what a sequel should do: improve on what made the game fun and fix the flaws, like the beginning sections and the fact that there isn't any character growth in Earthbound.
I like your opinion so let me say that this is my opinion: Mother 2 is not as hard as I feel you feel it is.
Also, Mother 2 is a trippy, drug-like experience. It has great motifs and visuals. It's meant to be played on drugs.
It's music, plot, and visuals all feel spectacular and uncanny. It's something that is not like Mother 3, but is amazing in it's own way. Mother 3 might be better, and I feel that way probably. Just love Earthbound a lot as well.
You just shit on what Earthbound works for in a way. You aren't supposed to play it on drugs. You're supposed to play it through the mind of a child. Earthbound feels like it was written and directed by someone with the talent of a wise adult and the mindset and life energy of a small child. A lot of things feel "trippy" and "drug like" in a cheap and chintsy way. Calling Earthbound that is missing the point. Earthbound is my favorite video game in no small part to that. Being wacky is one thing, but having such genuine whimsy is what makes Earthbound feel so natural and heartfelt. It's literally the kickstart of the whole argument: Earthbound is so, so, so, so genuine.
Right? I was thinking the same thing. Like man this guy complains a lot about his own incompetence
Drugs are illegal, harmful, and hard to obtain. Why would anyone play Earthbound while on drugs? Earthbound in a way, IS a drug.
Blaster master the developer of earthbound obviously had a love for psychedelic culture, I’d say he would disagree with you buddy
"The game is meant to be played on drugs." Besides being untrue, you're saying it's only enjoyable if you're high, essentially admitting the game isn't very good unless you're under some kind of influence lol.
a reason why i prefer mother 3 more than earthbound is:
1. smoother rolling hp system
okay if being serious, i love earthbound for general atmosphere, story progression and humor, while mother 3 has a good plot and gameplay, which is why i prefer mother 3 more. but i still like earthbound
personally i liked earthbound beginnings more then the other two
the simple and nonlinear gameplay always calls me in. plus chiptune is best
that psychic kid from smash bros and that other psychic kid from smash bros.
Best names ever.
3:16 holy shit a shroob
Lucas defeats Porky, who permanently seals himself in a device called
the Absolutely Safe Capsule, rendering him unable to continue the
battle. At the final needle, the Masked Man is revealed to be a
brainwashed Claus. During the battle between Claus and Lucas, Claus's
memory of his mother restores his humanity. He commits suicide due to
the grief of his actions and his mother. Lucas pulls the final Needle,
awakening the Dragon and destroying the Nowhere Islands. In an epilogue
set in darkness, the game's cast reveals that they have survived. In the final frame, the logo is shown to be made completely of wood instead of metal.
EARTHBOUND IS BETTER IN MY OPINION I KNOW ITS YOUR OPINION BUT I STILL THINK EARTHBOUND IS BETTER
Boonana Boonana WHY DO YOU TYPE IN CAPS IT MAKES IT SEEM LIKE YOU ARE SCREAMING
Earthbound is the superior game
sorry, i don't speak wrong.
This is too bad to watch any further.
But I found 25 flaws in your video with ease.
I could double that amount by putting in effort.
I literally just proved all your points wrong.
Earthbound is better than Mother 3 and until it gets localised, the community will agree with me.
And That's that
*This video and all the others I see from you get a dislike*
*I will never subscribe to you*
Damn, you showed me. How can I withstand such bulletproof arguments as "get better reflexes" and "suck it up"?
Lol I got triggered :I Don't be too sad, people have personal preferences.
I just got triggered and I'd probably agree with you more... however...
I'm not allowed Emulators and Mother 3 is not localised yet.
So I'm not able to agree with you I'm afraid.
*YET*
So If Mother 3 comes into the world and I remember this I'll re-evaluate this video.
*Again my apologies, I watched this at 10 PM and was really tired, so forgive me for all that stuff*
DuoFaceGaming wow you're a tool.
@@Zeldamarie1482 Wow I got so salty about this video 1 year ago gg
@Kaspu011 Apparently I did, my point would probably still stand, but I admit that this year old comment was quite flawed in it's reasoning
You really must of sucked at the game because I only started playing last tuesday and I am already level 80 and in the lost underworld.
@Mark BlackWhite Its not that hard to believe. Just play through the underground in Winters with all the Starman for a while and you could be a lvl 94 just like i was
EarthBound isn't overrated. You wanna know overrated? I'll give you a hint. It starts with a U and ends with an E.
Yeah man. Ultima VII: The Black Gate is overrated af.
@@marunomi It sure is!
Lol
I finished Mother 3 a month ago, and started playing Mother 2 a couple weeks ago, and tbh both of them are really REALLY enjoyable.
YASS MOTHER 3 IS COMING OUT IN AMERICA!!!!!!
Maybe 😰😰😰
Hopefully
+Maria Tarelo Oh you
Wat
Yes soon it is
@@regginator2.047 lol stop lying
"Love can overcome anything."
*Shows Ionia telling Lucas about him being naked.*