Reading Icons 3: The How-Tos of an Icon Corner (Pencils & Prayer Ropes)
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Icon corners are a staple of every Orthodox home. What are they, how to arrange them, where are they placed, and how should prospective converts set them up with their disapproving non-Orthodox family member looking on - find out in this episode of Pencils & Prayer Ropes, a non-Emmy nominated and non-Oscar winning show.
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trying to convert thank you for this video!❤
There was a Mormon ad before this video. It scares me how much influence that cult has. Saying prayers
I got that same ad, they trick people to seem like regular Christianity
I got it as well and this is the first comment I see
I got this the same ad as well! lol
I pay to avoid ads for things like that haha
I love how you "get" us converts.🤣 You nail it every time!
Literally 😅
literally x2
I've seen one icon corner I liked very much. Christ on the right, Theotokos on the left. Then the patron saints of the father and all sons on the right side, and the patron saints of the mother and all daughters on the left. I thought that was a neat concept
Ooh def is!
Ps. I "saved" 2 icons from the floor of an antique store for $40. I didn't realize that they were both hand painted from Greece. It's not every day you get an original Greek Theotokos Icon and St Mark Icon for that price. Of course I'm not Greek so...i had to have the inscriptions translated.
I Treasure them dearly.
Despite my parents not being Orthodox my mother actually bought my first icons of Christ and the Theotokos.
Same! My mum bought them second hand years ago because she thought they were pretty
I correctly guessed on the community post that this would be a new Reading Icons video, for my reward I request an Icon of St. Iosif of Voldogrendsky-Novgorodorov the Great of Prussia.
😂😂😂
🤣🤣
As a catholic, I’m in the process of making a home altar combining the eastern and western traditions. Im going to have a wall of icons but on the altar itself there will be statuary and a Benedictine altar arrangement.
Nice!
what is a benedictine altar arrangement if I may ask
@@diansc7322 sorry for the late answer but it’s like the type you typically see at the tlm with the six candles and crucifix in the middle. The 6 candles are in groups of 3 on each side of the crucifix
"icon corners should face east"
*Me setting up one in my van
"Hmmmmm"
Well then I hope you can park your van appropriately during prayer ☺️
I've lived in an RV for nearly two decades. You don't really have any control over which lots will be available for rental in the RV parks where you will be staying.
Brother, greetings from the US. I appreciate your videos, and I thank you for the effort you put into them. May the Lord and Our Lady bless you.
-Your Papist friend
I hope Sara gets better soon, may the mother of God be with her
Saint Symeon the Strawman, I believe he knew Saint Gregory the Kettleblack and Saint John of the Slippery Slope.
I missed your vids!
Well, as a coptic christian, I never grew up with the concept of icon corners at all
We don't have that concept, thinking about it:D
We have icons everywhere in the home really, scattered
I like the concept behind the icon corner, but never grew up with it
Really?! I've never encountered a Copt before! As for me, I'm an American Protestant by birth, but I've been attending a Greek Orthodox church. I don't own any icons yet, (I haven't had the chance to get one,) but I do have a small area in my home where I pray. I have a Bible, a cross, and a couple of candles that I light. It's actually really helped me pray more often and more consistently, so I thank God for that. I wanted to ask, do Copts use Prayer Rules or prayer books? Just curious.
3:45 me an enthnic serb who has only ever seen one to two icons at my grandmother and aunts homes (I think my aunt had two so): "you know... I kinda think this is accurate"
So accord to a lot of books and my father serbian families have a patron saint for the family. In our case it is Sveti Nikola (saint Nicholas). But then there is also Sveti Sava (patron saint of the serbs).
I have only recently gotten into the faith. And by getting into it i mean developed an interest in what it is and how it has affected the people and stuff. Up until now religion to me was "meh" but now it got interesting (maybe it is also just because I have gotten into serbian culture in general...). Well lets see where this is going to take me.
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I love the strawman joke... it's a few days after I watched your video on tollhouses with my Godfather (historian and theologian member of a Monastic order... long story) who called you out on strawman arguments... he did enjoy your jokes however and I send you best wishes and blessings from us both!
Just in case anyone wanted to misinterpret my comment... I still love your videos and will keep watching them as they are very fun and well drawn! God Bless!
Beautiful work once again, Bojan. I absolutely died laughing at 3:56. Also I came up with the snarky "icon pile" to refer to my friends who add things haphazardly as they're obtained.
LOL Icon pile! I'll use that one!
Bojan I love your videos and the humor fits perfectly. Keep it up and God bless you !
Thank you so much! 😃 God bless you too!
Thank you. I decided to watch Friends with my mom 😀
God bless
Sry, I changed my mind after started watching the first episode
@@dovganjuk good call
Many devout Catholics around the world own some sort of Icon. We usually don't have corner for it though. Us Catholics typically have a main altar in our house, facing east(preferably). I don't have Icons right now but I am planning to buy some, and a censer cause I am so extra LOL.
Anyways may the Holy Mother of God intercede in our prayers and may the Lord the Jesus Christ protect shed the light of the Holy Spirit onto us to protect us.
The day before black friday, i saw a couple of icons. I stuffed them in the display washing machine, and went there the next day
What?
Very Comical!
I always love your videos.
Thank you my Precious Sibling in Christ.
Always remember to rotate through your icon collection to level them up. You wouldn't want to be four or five tollhouses in and realize your team is out of HP(Holy points).
I'm joking, of course. Informative video as always.
Ha! That reminds me of the first Dark Cloud game, and to a lesser extent, Dark Cloud 2 (Dark Chronicle outside the US.) Wow, I loved those games!
The best video on Orthodox practice I've seen so far!❤
Hey Bojan, I like the blue icon of Christ in your icon corner. It's a real masterpiece!
This channel has a lot of good advice, thank you Bojan
Always, glad you like it!
I love the humor. Thank you.
Your humor is awesome
No, you're awesome
Currently in the process of setting up our icon corner, as we're still new at this. The safest place from my kids running off with the icons and drawing on them with crayon is the east wall of the office. At least it makes streaming sung scripture and prayers, lol. Thanks for your work, please keep at it.
The combination of your art style plus the musics used bring me such an inner peace. By the way, although I'm Catholic, I'm going to make an icon corner as well!
Icon corners are known in Catholicism, they're just called home altars :)
@Bible Illustrated Yeah, that's true, how could i forgot? My mom herself has one! But I'm planning to use only icons. Having the same type of art looks more harmonic to me! By the way, I know you're not catholic but maybe you can help me in this one: do you know if we also pray/do our altars towards north?
Cheers and thank you for your videos!
You might be suprised what icons one can find where you least expect it.
My dad had an old Icon of the Theotokos from russia.
according to the inscription its from the 1700s, but i think it might be a later recreation.
I found in a little chamber stacked under a bunch of secular paintings that werent hung up anymore.
I have a problem. I am a covert who has a problem with "holy hoarding". What do I do with all these icons??
This last year, I've bought tons of statues and candles. (Kind of a holy shopping spree like yours.) I keep some of them in the closet, until I decide it's time to change my prayer space. It's sort of like redecorating, and it helps keep the space feeling fresh.
Give them away.
Don't buy an icon of a saint unless stick to praying to him/her for a month or more.
@@BibleIllustrated Ok thanks
6:14 love The Simpsons reference there!!!
Hah thanks! Glad people recognize it!
Western Branch of American Presbylutheranism, sounds like the simpsons reference
Why I'd never
Thank you for posting.
Also, I like the return of our convertitis friend
He took his Orthodoxy game too far haha
Thank you - useful and funny
Wait, how would one have an icon of their guardian angel, except for the rare occasion you've actually seen them?
Many catholics including myself also have an “icon corner” though not always with Icons, but more often we use statues.
❤ Ur Videos thank U. I'll Pray 4U 😅
and I'll pray 4 Sara gets better
im roman catholic but i wanna get a few icons and crosses for a corner in my room not to idolise or replace my faith nor remind me but to keep my bedroom not just protected but a sanctuary of peace where i can lay or sit and be in the presence of my religion as my family are atheists (do keep in mind i was christened when i was a baby as it was the thing to do and also back then a way to appear legally a person in my country, but im starting to go through the motions of getting baptised accepted and placed within my local church)
Great video :)
Sometimes you have to foster an icon you find at a thrift store next to dusty Beatles albums.
Those are especially blessed
3:03
Is this a Harry Potter reference?
You have good taste, good sir.
Can you please do a video on the Apocrypha and why some reject it?
How do u do with icon corner with statues then ? ( Even orthodox have these, as icons cutouts that Are vested)
Will we get this soundtrack on future videos again? Haven’t seen it in a while :(
Long time no see!
Back finally!
Thx
Добро видео, благодарим :)
Praise Jesus! In Jesus Name I pray! Amen ❤️🙏📖
How about damaged Icons Bojan? What should we do to them? Should we restore them? If we can't restore them, what should we do to them?
1:37 "In circumcision we are to...."
Why this cliff hanger?
💀
Hello Bojan, what is your thought on the latest Serbian bible translation from prof. Dragan Milin?
Haven't read it yet (and I sorta lack any scholarly knowledge of the translations to give a proper overview) :-)
Very interesting. I may actually do this. Are you an iconographer? How do we know who our guardian angel is?
Not an iconographer but starting out on iconography (recently sold my first icon). As for the guardian angel, each one of us has their own individual guardian angel. We do not know their names.
@@BibleIllustrated Sorry to not understand. How do you know what guardian angel icon to buy if you know neither the name nor how he/she looks? Sincere question.
Thank you for your videos. You make orthodoxy so even I can understand
As a buddhist . Im like to draw some icon of orthodox . And make a cross like in church.
Without thinking I put the Theotokos on the left of Christ because she is looking right and it felt balanced. Then I saw it was the norm lol.
You'd be surprised how often things like that happen!
How do I arrange my icon corner if it’s just icons of the crucifixion and resurrection (since my pantokrator is an hour away)
I would put them side by side :-)
Wait so the icons themselves face east or they face west and we face east when we pray?
No, we face east and icons face west
Just ordered some first 3 Icons and Lampada. Cant wait hang them up. Also just got church clothes for the first time in 13 years.
What a wonderful and beautiful religion.
So happy for you! 😃
@@BibleIllustrated and thank you for all of this info! Ive been researching church history for a while and I just love your content and how easy you get the point across in a funny/easy to understand styles.
I grew up as a Jehovah's Witness so all of this is just mind boggling to me.
If I ever got an icon of me. I would replace the mirror in my bathroom with it
Can you have icon corner in tents and vans? can priests bless non-traditional housing forms?
Yes and yes :-)
We've lived in an RV for a long time. We try to have the RV, and our car, blessed every year. Even if you don't live in your vehicle, it's a good idea to have your priest bless it.
Sooo..... that 2 story iconostasis in the front hall was a bit too much?
Since there are icons on most of my patristic books, I'm not sure if I need any icons other than one of Christ.
Practical and funny. Ha!
Hah thanks!
Hellp i need help, the only place i can put on an ícon is on my room because i have cats and my mom is pagan (she doesnt care about ícons, is more about the cats) im roman catholic so i use normal images too, i made an altar on my closet because if it was on my table, I would have to place more objects and still deal with cats, is it forbidden?
ïs it ok to have icons even tho im not baptized or chrismated?
@Ybbob1644 I know
If your nations flag is a cross, would it be inappropriate to have it decorating your icon corner? Like the Georgian flag or the British flags or the Scandinavian flags?
I would think his meaning is that unless you use the national or local flag as an aspect of worship, it is probably not the best idea to have it in a holy space; it would be the functional equivalent of an Orthodox church having the state and national flags flanking the altar behind the iconostasis. There is a reason those objects, if in a church, are at flanking sides of the entire iconostasis (and thus out of the entire sacred space itself).
Idk where you get comments for Q&As but I’m submitting this in case you see it.
Who/which church do you consider properly canonical for America/all-North America, if you thing it’s definitely one of them that is. And if you’re familiar with him, what do you think of Archbishop Elphidophoros, he’s my Archbishop and I promise nothing you could say would be considered offensive, I’ve heard plenty already.
Isn't he the one who's been pulling all that political nonsense into the church? I don't know about Bojan, but as for me, I'm not a fan of the insertion of politics where it doesn't belong. Not into video games, not into movies and TV shows, not into sports, not into the workplace, not into my taxes, and most certainly not into my church!
How does one find a patron saint and what are guardian angels?
Here you go! ruclips.net/video/p443yfjFuBs/видео.html
@@BibleIllustrated thank you
Can Catholic have an icon corner
Absolutely
how does one know their Guardian Angel?
“In circumcision, we are to-“
Dont know if im doing it right, but: christ on top, mary to his left and saint thomas underneath
Hi! Do you have a discord community?
3:20 Or you can make an extra wall in the house
hello i am trying to convert to eastern orthodox and my family is catholic is it ok if i would put my prayer comer in my room?
@@kindredharpy65 of course it is :)
@@BibleIllustrated thank you i have been watching your video for a while and have been helping with the conversion
Now what I want to know is what's the Eastern branch of Presbylutheranism 😆???
Is it bad to have several icons of Jesus and Mary on your wall/corner? I cause I do 👀
Nothing wrong with that. I personally am not fond of it, I like to have singular icons of saints (unless it is a specific feastday depicted). But in general, nothing wrong :D
But I WANT the giant shrine 😞
I am going to be giving away Icons just because I am moving.
Hi Bojan i would like to give you one good topic for a video. I am an orthodox christian from Serbia and i realy like heavy metal music but it is considered satanic so it would be cool if you could make a video aboit it, is it bad or is it just us on earth that judge. All support from Ivan.❤️☦️
Hi Serbian friend, ask yourself does the music glorify Christ? For something different check out Vivaldi composer. He was METAL and did glorify Christ with his music.
hahaha ^^ nice
Thank you!
As a convert to Orthodoxy, via GOARCH, married over 3 decades to an awesome loving wife who is not Orthodox, I say my prayers alone, in secret, in my closet, so to speak, Matthew 6 : 6.
7 minutes long
uploaded 7 hours ago
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nice
So satisfying
The 10% of the tithe went to the Levitical Priest in the Old Testament.
Since Christ is our great High Priest there is no need for tithing on top of ones offering.
See, Bojan is doing Pope Francis intention be evangelizing us by explaining the icon corner.
Presba-Lutheranism
Praying to images is idolatry, regardless of the excuses that are used to justify it. There is no Biblical precedent for this folly, but this is what happens when traditions of men are elevated to have the same authority as the word of God. May God open your eyes to the truth
We're not praying to images. If you want to make an argument, use a proper one that takes into account what we actually believe in. We also believe that praying to icons would be idolatry.
@@BibleIllustrated This Orthodox Church would seem to disagree with you.
The Meaning of Icons | Annunciation Greek Orthodox Church
"The Orthodox Church uses icons to assist in worship. Icons are a 'window to heaven' and they help us to focus on the divine things."
So, they are used as an assist in prayers. I have heard enough Orthodox Fathers say they pray to the saints through focusing/directing their prayers through the icons of those saints to ask them for things/blessings etc. That is a form of necromancy which the Bible forbids.
I am not misrepresenting iconodulia, it is the veneration of images, and prayer to dead saints. Not Biblical at all, and I can prove that by asking; do you have a chapter and verse in the Bible that supports such a practice?
@@333Paradigm333 Yes, they say it assits in prayer. Not that they are prayed to. And I'd like to see exact quotes where they say "focusing/directing their prayers through the icons of those saints."
Before I provide you with biblical evidence, why do you think that it has to be directly supported with the Bible? That itself is a novel teaching unsupported for the first 16 centuries of Christianity.
@@BibleIllustrated Exact quotes? (Even if it is paraphrased it captures the essence of what they said). You won't give me simple scripture reference to back up your unbiblical practice, because it doesn't exist. To answer your question, the Bible is God's word, His infallible revelation to mankind. The Bible is authoritative as a result of the author, and no matter the "Church/Christian institution" they are not the ultimate authority as it is run by fallible man, who can make mistakes. That is why all Christians must submit to the word of of God as the final authority. Tradition has it's place, if it is not in violation of the Holy Scriptures. You can make excuses for your iconodulia but it is in violation of the scriptures as previously stated.
idolatry is worship of a false deity, worship is defined as adoration pointed to a deity.
no one sees Mary and the saints as gods; so youre just wrong with basic word definitions dude. show me one Orthodox christian who says the saints are deities.
actually we praise God THROUGH them, we recognize their virtues, as it was given to them BY GOD, when i seek the intercession of a saint, to pray for me, the saint prays TO GOD. the Theotokos is special and holy because she SUBMITTED herself FULLY to the will OF GOD, not out of her own innate virtue (as this virtue is from God, her acceptance/loyalty to God, her own free will to follow God is why she is special) all virtue is from God, not from yourself.
when we venerate God's saints we venerate him, when we recognize the great mercies and grace of God acting through his saints we recognize him.
it is only by God's grace, that a human can become worthy of being called a saint.
For years, decades even, I have been telling everyone I know that there is no such thing as a funny Serbian. This video has turned me into nothing but a filthy liar.
Please don't! Scripture says not to make idols...it is a form of idolatry!
It's holy because it Comes from the traditions of the church "The body of christ"
@@frankfakerson6605 yes, I am aware.Sadly in churches man-made traditions take precedence over YHVH 's simple commands.
@@linak7155 Idols are images made to be workshiped in God's place. The icons are not idols; they, just as the cherubim statues in the Arch and the Temple, are decorative holy art, that obviously are not workshiped. Christ's Church wouldn't commit such a idiotic sacrilege; idolatry is a sin by the Church.
This is Idol Worship... wtf?
"Bible Illustrated" but your theology and understanding of the Bible is wrong and terrifyingly misleading...
Nope.