Wrath of God: Tollhouses (Pencils & Prayer Ropes)
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I know I'm 4 years too late, but believe it or not, i just found out they were called toll houses. Lol. I just wanted to say that last part was totally "Orthodox Speak". Well done. And may Christ have Mercy on all of our souls.
What kind of orthodox are you I hered you call Mary immaculate even though the Orthodox Church doesn't call her immaculate that's more of a Catholic thing
I think I got to this zone of the internet by mistake. I was just looking for Tollhouse cookie recipes.
Yeah. Those Wrath of God flavoured cookies really pack a wallop, don't they? I had to make mine with a bit less sriracha.
Came for the cookies, stayed for the theology.
:D
When you're looking for cookies but end up a host of demons asking you most awkward questions about your life
Tim Svea 😂
*maybe the real tollhouses were the friends we made along the way*
Hehehe
THE TOLLHOUSE IS REAL
JK Rowling: "...and everyone was gay."
lol
Why did she do that? You can't just say that after the story is finished and everything is concrete, Like why JK ROWLING? WHY??? IN MY FANFIC DUMBLEDORE IS QUITE THE WOMAN MAGNET!!!!! Nah I've never wrote a fanfic, but seriously, why JK Rowling?
Joseph Matthew it was a meme last year i think or maybe 2 years ago
May all people watching this pass though the toll houses successfully and praise the holy trinity
The debate of the toll houses within the church is indeed my toll house.
I'm not sure how you can take things so serious and make them so cute, but you do... and it works... Thank you!!!
Haha, glad you liked it! :-D
"If you're an unrepentant sinner you don't even begin to ascend. If you're justified, your ascension makes the Tollhouses redundant"
This.
That's not really the point of the toll houses.
It's, firstly, a part of particular judgement.
Which is separate from final judgment.
Meaning the judgment you go through during your first death. It's the same place our loved ones may reside when we pray for their repentance. Its a foretaste of the final judgment.
Also, the bible mentions you still have to account for every deed and utterance.
@@DaBearsManiac Yes, we do give an account- To God, not to the demons.
The Demons play no role in the particular judgement of one who is saved, nor do we owe them any account of our lives, nor, God forbid, do we pay for our salvation in Good deeds. Salvation is paid for in the blood of Christ.
This is a very Protestant understanding, lol
@@j.athanasius9832 It's a very Biblical understanding
@JimmyAquila even Moses bones were quibbled over by the devil and the Archangel Michael. But of course Michael rebuked the devil in the name of the Lord and Moses was taken to his eternal reward.
I'm new to Orthodoxy. Still an enquierer. My priest says i need to level up a little bit before becoming a catechumen. Im so enjoying learning about Holy Orthodoxy and this video did not disappoint. I had heard of tollhouses but didnt know anything about them. This video was great!
Same here! I’ve been spending all my free time consuming Orthodox videos and literature 🤣
I asked my spiritual Father his thoughts on this video, here’s his response: “I thought that he gave a fairly balance approach there. that's why to say that they haven't been mentioned throughout the history of the church is just wrong but we have to admit that they've been interpreted differently. satan is the prince of the power of the air and there could be some attempts at trying to derail us but the issue that ultimately gets stressed even in Theodora's vision is that any sin that has been sincerely confessed and repented of can no longer be used against us by any demonic forces. to me, that was one of the most important concepts of that whole vision and that's why confession, a truly honest confession, is so important”
Many thanks for YT user
Petit-Bourgeois for the intro joke! :-)
Also, I wanted to hide like/dislike bar and close the comments just for the lols of it, but I didn't because I'm a nice guy. :-D
hi
What a swell guy
My good boy can you make video on orthos stance on original sin ( Yes i do know but oh boy rest - catholics and protties - do not understand it a bit)
Would you please please do a video on divine essence vs uncreated energies, is it dogmatic teaching or just theologumenon?
Cleared up that weird thing I read about and automatically didn't believe! ("say WHAT?)
THANK YOU for this video, Bojan. I was terrified once of the tollhouses and this put my anxiety to rest. I love your longer videos like this. You convinced me with great arguments, bless you; also so many little references in this video I can't point them all out, but very cute haha!
Also I love when you reference Might and Magic
Sometimes I realize that one of the only real reasons I consider myself Protestant is for the simplicity regarding traditional Anglicanism...to an extent
@Meridionalus Linguisticus Hahaha don't worry I understand, although you may find the pre-Schism British Church was very simple and holy itself ;)
@@dontsubscribe3702 I believe there are many good and virtuous things that have come out of Anglicanism, but latitudinarianism would seem to confound the idea that Anglicanism is simple.
I said "...to an extent." Certain portions of Anglicanism are complex, but the straightforwardness of services are something I'm quite fond of
Also, maybe this is just what I’ve seen, but the people most passionate for them never seem to be all that concerned they’re going to fail any. How can you be so confident in your sanctity and abundance of good deeds and that not be big time pride?!
Puritanical zealotry tends to attract people who wish to look and feel superior rather than actually be so. If you copy/pasted the core beliefs of Toll Housers, rabid vegans, or flat earthers you'd realize the personalities involved and the sanctimonious self righteousness is sort of built into the groups which espouse it. Rad trads regardless of denomination tend to just be unpleasant brethren
Are you talking about people in the Elder Ephraim spiritual family?
I don’t know much about him. I’ve heard his name and I read his Wikipedia page, which seemed genuine enough. I always wonder about decades+ deceased public figures, if they would agree to what their intellectual legacy became.
Lol I searched the wrong name, I’ve never even heard of him. But he’s not dead, my apologies!
"When I say no pressure, I mean all of the pressure. There is a toll house for not subscribing."
I am screeeaming 😭😭😭😭😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Have you read in the fathers about the thief and murderer, who lay dying on his death bed, and who simply wept for his sins? He was asked as he was dying why he had become comforted, and he said that he had seen the demons with all his sins piled up on a scale, and his angel said that all he had to offer was the handkerchief the thief used to wipe his tears, but when placed on the other side of the scale, it outweighs his lifetime of sin.
I didn't read that story but it is beautiful! :-)
Very beautiful story thank you for sharing
would love a source so I could read more on it :33
This was everything I had dreamed of, and without personally attacking the advocates! I pray this video goes viral, something I never thought I would say. 😂
"All you ever owe is to God". +++++.
Yup :-)
Oh also- St Seraphim of Sarov believed in them so much that he recounted praying for the soul of one of his Diveyevo nuns who was detained in her journey through the aerial tollhouses.
So how does this fit with the narrative that the tollhouses are just a symbolic representation of our passions?
Bible Illustrated Well, symbols stand for a spiritual reality. I don’t know that the tollhouses are simply passions. The angelic judgment is more complicated than that. I want to encourage you to read Larchet’s work on this.
Trollhouses
Thank you! This might be your best video yet.
And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,[b] neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow-not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love. 39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below-indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Roman 8,31-39
Orthodox Pepe: **REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE GNOSTICS GET OUT**
That's a cool profile pic
@@grzxcv98 Nothing wrong with the profile pic. Someone expressed their love for the Mother of God in their own way. The Mother of God does not belong solely to Byzantine iconography.
@Dovaferret I ask the blasphemy police to keep their wrong views to themselves thank-you.
@Dovaferret Okay, a couple of things for the ignorant.
1) What Church canons are those anime icons breaking exactly? List me those canons thank you. Especially the canons of the universal Church, not Russian ones (as far as I know, seronymus isn't Russian).
2) That isn't an icon, that's a digital drawing. Icons are used in worship, digital imagery isn't.
3) Never seen an image of Christ as 'anime women.'
4) Admit that you just hate anime and that is all your entire tirade is about, not "Church canons."
@Dovaferret 1) They're not somehow invalid, they're just local, made for a specific purpose, and that is the proliferation of Catholic imagery in Orthodox churches. Never seen anime icons in Orthodox churches.
2) Why not defend them? Someone expressed their love for the Mother of God in their own artistic style, and it struck a chord with a certain audience. Nothing wrong with that.
3) Proves nothing. I've seen Bzyantine icons of Rasputin, Hitler, Satan, Judas...
4) It seems to me you can't distinguish between an icon used in worship and an image of the Most Holy Theotokos in anime style. What you're doing, in essence, if fighting against any kind of Christian art that isn't strictly regulated by church rules. All depictions of holy persons must be in Byzantine style. All Christian music must be chanting in Byzantine (or similar) style without instruments. There are to be no dances of any kind, as one does not dance in church.
Your stance is in complete opposition of the Seventh Ecumenical Council. That is why I asked you to provide me a list of church canons as regards to iconography - you provided a local council and a canon that says that Christ isn't to be depicted as a lamb. Iconography *DOES NOT* have true holiness - it has absolutely no holiness. Any holiness icons have is from the persons they depict, not their style. If you claim that their holiness comes from the style that they're painted in, you're essentially asserting to what Protestants claim about us, that we worship matter, and St. John of Damascus has a couple of choice words to say about that. If we truly belive what you say, that iconography can give true holiness, then truly, an icon of Judas is inherently more holy than an anime image of the Most Holy Theotokos.
Orthodox: In the beginning, God created the heavens and the Earth. Atheists: In the beginning, there was nothing, then it exploded! Quantum mechanics has now discovered that there is an underlying intelligence behind the universe, that permeates and sustains it. Let the Atheistic panic begin!
Best start in the morning, a cup of coffee and a new episode of BI..hvala ti Bojane i samo nastavi ovako,
St. Mark of Ephesus is definitely the strongest reason in my opinion.
Likewise!
New to my "personal favorite saints" list, after learning a bit about the Council of Florence! 🙏
"Got an onion?" nice reference there
*patrick voice* I don’t get it
@@dylanchouinard6141 Me, neither.
After watching more videos, I know get it
Uff.. now I can die with only the fear of being judged by the Lord, not also by demons. 😅☦
Сад сам миран, искрено ме то узнемирило доста.
Бог те благословио за твој труд ☦❤
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St. Justin the Martyr (+166), St. Ephrem the Syrian (+373), St. Basil the Great (+379), St. Gregory the Theologian (+389), St. Macarius the Great (+392), St. John Chrysostom (+407), St. Cyril of Alexandria (+444), St. Hesychios the Priest (+5th century), St. Colomba of Scottland (+597), St. Gregory the Great (+604), St. Maximus the Confessor (+662) are talking about Tollhouses!
As we see, it is a Faith that has always been upheld by everyone, so the Church never bothered to define it as dogma, just as Church did not bother to define the veneration of icons as dogma before year 787 because until 8th century, everyone believed in it.
In the Octoechos, there are many references to the Toll Houses:
"When my soul is about to be forcibly parted from my body's limbs, then stand by my side and scatter the counsels of my bodiless foes and smash the teeth of those who implacably seek to swallow me down, so that I may pass unhindered through the rulers of darkness who wait in the air, O Bride of God." Octoechos, Tone Two, Friday Vespers
"Pilot my wretched soul, pure Virgin, and have compassion on it, as it slides under a multitude of offences into the deep of destruction; and at the fearful hour of death snatch me from the accusing demons and from every punishment." Ode 6, Tone 1 Midnight Office for Sunday
Also in the Octoechos, from the Canon for the dead:
"When my soul desires to separate its bodily ties and depart from
life, do Thou appear to me, O Mistress, and destroy the councils of
the bodiless enemies, crush their jaws of those who seek to devour me:
that I may without hindrance pass the princes of darkness, standing in
the air, O Bride of God, "(Tone 2, Sat. Ode 9, Tr. 16)
Canon to the Guardian Angel:
"All my life I have spent much time in vain, now I approach the end: I
pray thee, my keeper, be a protector to me and an undefeated champion,
when I will pass the toll-houses of the ferocious keeper of the
world"(Ode. 9, tr. 3)
Small Compline, A Prayer to the Theotokos by Monk Paul:
“And at the time of my departure from this life, care for my wretched soul and drive far away from it the dark forms of evil demons; and in the fearful day of judgment, deliver me from eternal torments, and present me as an heir of the ineffable glory of thy Son and our God.”
Сви Свети Оци су говорили о митарствима. Волео би да нам брат Бојан да макар један цитат од макар једног Светог Оца који негира митарства. И не, митарства немају никакве сличности са римокатоличким чистилиштем. Такође и Свети Оци новијих времена причају о митарствима... Свети Игњатије Брјанчанинов, Свети Теофан Затворник... има гомила цитата. Немојте да умирујете своју савест овако људи, него се припремите постом, молитвом, исповедањем грехова, редовним причешћивањем ... јер, како је рекао Свети Теофан Затворник, веровао ти или не у митарства, свакако ћеш изађи из тела и онда ћеш се уверити. Али тад може бити касно.
Many thanks for this very informative _and beautifully drawn_ video! It answered many of the questions I wouldn't have known quite how to put into words.
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And also Russia.
A blessed fast to all! 🙏
Thanks for joining in on the chat. Keep up the good work!
Dear brother, I loved this and it’s exactly what I think as well. But when you closed with that sociology my heart was stirred. Glory to the Holy Trinity! Thank you.
Awesome art in this video. The halo flying out of the fight cloud made me laugh
A glorious work! Thank you.
Bojan you helped me get rid of my anxiety and confusion of tollhouses, as well as the literal problems from 1-10 about the tollhouse thing. God bless you and thank you for these wonderful videos!
I've been a Catechumen attempting to convert to Orthodoxy for about a week now
I think I'm ready to watch videos on serious religious controversy, it won't confuse me at all
Nice. 🤣😈☻
Lol same spot but I am a Catholic catechumen.
I hope it didn't confuse you in the end. lol
Subscribed ! And thank you so much ... your video especially this one makes my day so much .. God bless you
Glad you liked it, Gabriel! :-)
This channel is awesome, so glad I found this 😆
That was a really good help, Thank you Bojan great video!
😂 Your videos always leave me giggling....even on such a disturbing subject! 😵 😈 😱
Thanks for the insight, I've certainly learned something today! 💡
It's good and comforting to see women interested in these videos too :) God bless you.
thank you for this description. I only heard of tollhouses this week and found them very scary.
They are. Death and judgment is a fearful thing and any attempt at hiding this Apostolic tradition of the Church is of the evil one, who wants to lull you into a false sense of comfort. The question is not whether or not tollhouses are real - they are - the question is do you let this fear lead you into a state of despondency, or let it kindle a flame of zeal leading you to a deeper prayer and confessional life. Remember, all sins that have been confessed and have received absolution will not be counted against you at the hour of your death. Pray, confess and pray some more. This is the correct response to the toll house teaching. Not, on one extreme, pretending they don't exist; nor on the other extreme, falling into despondency. We fear judgment and hope in our Lords great and abundant mercy.
This is still my favorite video, very good explanation!
Thank you so much for making this. The toll houses have been a source of confusion for me for many years. And the 90% food thoughts reference was HILARIOUS! I can relate. 🤣
This channel is great!
This video was pretty great pal
And the comment everybody was waiting for... even though they might not know it yet... *drum roll*... He who rejects the tollhouses, let him be anathema.
Thank you for making this video and easing my fear. Tollhouse have always scared me because I know I'm a weak person.
We all are -- thanks be to God, who always causes us to triumph in Christ!
Be afraid, gal. Be very afraid.
Thank you so much!
Excellent narrative. Thank you.
Thanks for this brother.
When I was a kid, like super young, I never went to church and such. I had this idea that your spirit is something completely separate, like a clone of you with its own consciousness, and when you died, that is what went to heaven. Your body was left on earth until the resurrection, when it’s reunited with your spirit.
This is a GREAT channel. 👍
12:43 oh yes toll house 1243: supporting a novus ordo catholic mass
I listened to the talks by Priestmonk Kosmas and it clarified the topic on Tollhouses. It is talk 46 and 47 for those interested. You can find the talks by searching Orthodox Talks by Priestmonk Kosmas.
New subscriber. Great video!
This is. JUST. BRILLIANT!
They're dogmatic in Orthodoxy. This video is wrong. They're mentioned by name in the Akathist to St John the Baptist, the life of St Anthony the Great, in Homily 22 of St Macarius of Egypt, and elsewhere
I’m learning so much from these videos. I love the story of the sinful woman at the end because to me, that’s the difference between Orthodoxy and all other forms of Christianity. Sin is a sickness that requires the healing of Christ. He knew her heart’s desire was to be healed, and so He healed her.
very helpful and well done. This was one of the major stumbling blocks for me in terms of conversion, but I eventually came to the same conclusion. Also.. I subscribed :)
The Tollhouses theory can drive people to despair, not repentance. Bad fruit, cut down the tree!
It certainly drove me to despair.
Same I admit months ago it made me very anxious and depressed and I already am that haha
lol "You will easily pass" - did you even read about Theodora's vision!?
@@cononiconium5059 How about JESUS, did he teach about demons questioning us after death? John 6: 53-58 and other sources of church teaching that expound on the necessity of and graces poured out in receiving Christ in the Eucharist; in the toll road of the Aerial Toll Houses where is the "demon" that challenges the soul who avoids communion? I say this because many who embrace this zealotry can fall readily into egotism or fall into despair that they are never worthy to receive because NO ONE can be worthy if you go down the list of every possible sin because the minute you go to confession, you will walk out an probably will have sinned. Scripture and Orthodox Tradition with a Capital "T" emphasizes that no one who lives does not sin (I read the Philokalia too).
The problem with the Toll Houses is that if one goes through all the list and says well I avoided all this, I am good to go, now you have committed EGOtism. This mentality has people avoiding Communion and then giving up in despair and the BIBLE and Orthodox teaching is clear that you do not cause your brother to despair but encourage a Life in Christ by LOVE. Only immature Christians who have a slave mentality, focus on avoiding sin because they are worrying about demons. HOW ABOUT avoiding sin and actually going beyond to do real good by LOVING God first?
Protestants, Catholics, and other denominations focus on fear, true Orthodox sons and daughters focus on asceticism and real fighting against sin our of true LOVE for God. Many proponents of the myth and of zealotry could care less about their brothers and sisters in Christ, they are into control so that they can build up "their group's / click's" following. Of course many good people believe in Aerial Toll Houses but for them it may be a good tool to help think about sin. However, there are many good lists made by Orthodox Fathers that can be used to examine your behavior and the list of Aerial Toll Houses can be good for that but NOT if it is used for a human to control someone. WE need to focus on controlling ourselves first and foremost. YES, I have read the all the claims pointing to scripture but they are very vague at best and "spirits in the sky" references abound but the Toll Houses bear a remarkable resemblance to the afterlife described in the Egyptian Book of the Dead. The Nicene Creed does not say, and I believe in Aerial Toll Houses either and no Church Cannon Law I know of requires believing in this "dogma."
By the way, I have been to Mount Athos many times and I have a close relationship with the monks there and I know that what some of the zealots are teaching in America and Russia and elsewhere that zealotry is embraced is wrong. I am mature enough to know that my relationship with Athos is no big deal before the Lord. I am focused on the Jesus Prayer and keeping it in my mind always because it burns the demons, so as I encounter the demons I do not have anything to worry about and I have too much work to do to correct myself to be bothered with evangelizing the Aerial Toll House "dogma."
@@BibleIllustrated I read about Theodora's vision and I thought that a) she made it up or b) fasting and lack of sleep can cause "visions" or c) sometimes visions can be caused by demons-don't the monks warn about that?
Thanks for explaining this, I was really confused about this.
wonderful video
You have a cute channel!
@@seronymus :ooo
Sorry haha, I don't know certainly why I said that although I guess I just liked your avatar and banner. God bless you "Julia"!
Day made. Thank you!
This was very fascinating i will educate myself moreabout this, Love n prayes from a Catholic bro, God bless u.
Thank you, much blessings back!
“No matter how absurd the idea of the toll houses may seem to our ‘wise men’, they will not escape passing through them”
+St. Theophan the Recluse
*eyeroll*
Did you just roll your eyes at a saint, young man?! 🤣
I'm not worried. Also saints are not infallible and not 100% correct in everything they say. We aren't saved by being infallible.
Brilliant! 🤣
@@ALLAHALLAHismall the saints believed in toll houses
Very good! Thanks ☦️👑🏅
Thank you so much for explaining this simply!
I literally tossed and turned all night last night dreaming about and being afraid to fall asleep because of toll houses. I’ve been told again and again to stay away from that stuff as a catechumen, but still I want to get some clarity on it. My priest says that if they are real, we as orthodox can hope to have an EZ pass to get through them. Some other priests I’ve heard declare they are 100% real as no saint ever disagrees with the notion they exist. I admit, I haven’t yet read anything in depth written by the saints…but to me coming out of a Protestant background…it seems Insanely cruel for somebody to try to live a Christ oriented life only to either way be tormented and “tricked” into hell. I don’t know what to do with the ideas I hear. The idea sobers you up which is good….but it also leaves me in despair.
They're dogmatic in Orthodoxy. This video is wrong. They're mentioned by name in the Akathist to St John the Baptist, the life of St Anthony the Great, in Homily 22 of St Macarius of Egypt, and elsewhere
Read Departure of the Soul by St Anthony's Monastery for more clarification on this doctrine
Any idea that leaves you in despair can't possibly sober you up because despair doesn't make for a sober mind. God hasn't given us a spirit of fear, brother.
@@TheJoeschmoe777 thanks for commenting. Since then, we’ve been baptized and I’ve calmed down. I appreciate you. Haha
@@eggsackley9435please pray for me because I feel like I can’t become a catechumen until I reconcile that some orthodox actually believe this
Awesome video!
Thank you!
Very interesting-thank you-Nick Roman Catholic who longs for RC and Orthodox reuniting
Hi, Mr. Bible Illustrated! Sorry I couldn't get back to you before but I'm swamped with school work. Anyway I hope you're feeling better as last time I checked you were sick. Anyway my questions are below:
1. Did God change the law when he cleansed all animals to eat? Why did Christ say he wasn't here to change the law in the Gospel of Matthew when the law changed for Christians?
2. Can man separate the church? If Christ doesn't allow divorce how can he allow schism? Does he view Christians as Christians just some more heretical than others?
3. Are Saint Joachim and Saint Anna the parents of the Theotokos? Who were Christ's literal brothers when he was being called by them and Mary when he was teaching? What is the significance of Joseph, Mary's husband?
4. What about possessions and wealth? Can we have earthly passions like playing instrument so long as it does not interfere with our faith?
5. Does God hate all serpents? Will they eat dust after Christ's return like Revelations says? Are they inherently evil?
6. Can you pray for me? I find it very difficult to find a way out of my sinful ways and because I have no one I can really go to about this, I have to be bombarded with temptation and I have no clue how to deal with it? If anyone has tips on how to stay away from temptations please recommend some to me.
Thank you for answering me over Instagram, sir! I really appreciate it! Have a good night!
if I may, i tried to answer number 3 for you. According to the Protoevangelium of James (the main source about the early life of the Theotokos, came from about the 2nd to the 3rd Century, thus the first written proof of what the Early Christians actually believe from within the Holy Traditions, especially the Holy Oral Traditons), Sts. Joachim and Anna were the literal parents of the Theotokos. They were righteous, but for a long time, they didn't have any children, so the two lamented this situation before God, and the Lord shown forth his mercy. Angels appeared to St.Joachim and St.Anna, announcing that St.Anna will bear a child. St.Anna gave birth then to the Theotokos, and the two gave her unto the Temple of Jerusalem, in accordance to the promise they make before the Lord. there, the Theotokos live until she was betrothed to St.Joseph, and after this, the Nativity of Christ unfolds. This is what I know about the Nativity of the Most Holy Theotokos. Hope this helps, and Glory to God for all things !
1. God did not change the Law concerning eating unclean animals, circumcision, sacrifice, etc. He fulfilled it. This is evident from when Christ says, “I have not come to abolish the Law, but to fulfill it” (Mt. 5:17). The Law was supposed to mark the Jewish people out as the people from whom the Messiah would come. In the Incarnation, Jesus as the Messiah was the only one to perfectly keep the Law and thus fulfilled it.
2. A distinction must be made between difference senses of “Church.” In one sense, the Church is the Mystical Body of Christ, the community of all those who are saved. In this sense, the Church is completely pure and indivisible. In another sense, the Church is the visible institution which Christ founded, made up of both saints and sinners. This institution can be fractured in different ways on account of bad actors.
3. By the ancient tradition of the Church the parents of the Theotokos are held to be Sts. Joachim and Anna. This belief dates back to about the second century. We don’t have the birth certificate of the Theotokos, but there’s no good reason to doubt her parentage. In Koine Greek, there are no words for “step-brother” or “cousin,” so the fact that the Gospels report that the people in Galilee knew of “Jesus’ brothers” doesn’t actually tell us much. By the ancient tradition of the Church St. James (a.k.a. Jacob) is one of the “brothers” of Jesus who believes in Him after the Resurrection. St. Joseph has great significance within the Church. He is the caretaker and legal father of Jesus. Despite knowing that he is not the father of Mary’s child, St. Joseph accepts to not break his betrothal to Mary and take care of her child, as we are told in the Gospel of Matthew. We do not know that Joseph and Mary were ever married. St. Matthew traces his succession of Jesus from David through Joseph, because, as I mentioned above Joseph is Jesus’ father by law.
4. The Church does not forbid believers from holding earthly possessions. Early in the Apostolic era the Church in Jerusalem decided to hold all things in common. This did not work out well in the slightest, as is evidenced by St. Paul’s multiple calls to gather a collection for the Church in Jerusalem (e.x. 1 Cor. 16:1-4). Some of the Saints of the Church (e.g. Sts. Constantine and Helen) were fabulously wealthy.
5. God does not hate serpents. They are His creatures, along with everything else in creation. The punishment of “the serpent” in Genesis refers to the devil. That is, unless you are aware of speaking serpents.
6. Please pray for me as well. We must struggle against temptation until we don’t have to. Of ourselves, we can do very little, but God has promised us His grace. Pray to Him in earnest and struggle with all your will against the passions, He will take care of the rest in the long run.
@Gjergji311 Fantastic educated reply. Thank you. I would also add that while Christ said essentially it is very difficult to be rich and saved, it is not impossible because God is all-good and indeed there are many wealthy saints from both West and East, although those saints who lived in poverty by choice obviously are rewarded more in the next life.
seronymus Thank you for the kind words! Your reply reminded me that there are several precept/counsel distinctions in the New Testament, wealth being one (i.e. the precept is don’t be greedy or unjust in your business and this is required for all, and the counsel being if you are able give up your wealth and dedicate yourself wholly to God) and marriage being the other big one.
I'm not "Bible Illustrated" but maybe I can help.
1. The Original Law was Exodus 20-31. Israelites kept the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20) so as to be able to participate in the actual heart of the Law, which was liturgical and covenantal sacrifices of anamnesis (mystical re-entry/re-presentation) into the Exodus events of deliverance from the idolatry of Egypt. After the Golden Calf incident (Exodus 32), symbolic and penitential Laws were given to the Israelites, called "the works of the Law," which kept help to keep Israel quarantined from the gentile nations and their idolatry. These Laws include which foods are permissible to eat vs. non-permitted food, cleanness vs. uncleanness, new sacrificial feasts and details (Aaron, on the Day of Atonement, has to sacrifice a bull for himself [Golden Calf - wink, wink]), as well as other things. These secondary Laws were to teach the people to depend and yearn for God's help, His Divine Presence, which is Grace, and the working of this Grace with us, which the Israelites didn't have. It oriented them to wait and hope for the Lord Jesus, the Promised Messiah to come, and there is much symbolism that points to Jesus, I would argue. These secondary Laws eventually culminated in the Book of Deuteronomy (literally titled "The Secondary Law"), wherein there is no Divine Theophany and God delegates Authority to Moses to make some bad Laws, which even the Prophets call bad (Ezekiel 20:25). Remember, too, that in the Old Covenant, Israelites were represented by Moses (their Covenant Mediator) and God delegated Authority to represent Him to the angels...Israelites, therefore, did not have a direct Covenant or Communion with God (explained in Galatians). That's one of the many reasons why Christ's Incarnation is so important!
The answer to your questions, then, in light of the above background information, is that Jesus reaffirms the original, primary Law by abolishing the penitential, symbolic Secondary Laws, which, again, were merely to quarantine Israel because of the sin of the Golden Calf. Therefore, He doesn't change or abolish the true Old Law...He purifies it back to its original condition and then intensifies this, fulfilling it in this intensification, as well as within His Person as the Messiah, since He perfectly fulfilled it. Only the Apostolic Christian can truly keep this Law, since they are in Christ and His Holy Spirit.
2. Jesus is the Divine Bridegroom Messiah. The Church is His Bride. According to the interesting way in which you framed you question, He would never divorce His Bride. Bishops, according to St. Ignatios of Antioch, are Christ among us (I would argue that they are Sacraments of His Authority). Therefore, Bishops are married to their Eparchy wherein lies their canonical Authority. A Bishop could excommunicate Members of his Church if their actions warrant this, in the hopes that this medicine leads them to repentance and re-inclusion into the Body, in health. But the Bishop can't just divorce his wife, the Church of his Eparchy. Schism, though, is 99% the action of a Bishop against the rest of the Bishops or against a higher Bishop, such as a Metropolitan or Patriarch. And the Church is both local and universal. Therefore, according to the universal angle, the question then becomes: does Jesus simultaneously want a divorce from his Bride but doesn't want a divorce from his bride? This is complicated, especially since, in the Church of the past, the people often couldn't help but follow their Bishop, at least if large distance was part of the issue (they couldn't just pack up and move away to join the correct Bishops or Bishop in another part of the world). The way I look at it is like this: if a more localized Church, in question, is Apostolic, that is that It has true Bishops, Priests, and all the Sacraments, then it's the Church. This Church, and the others from which, or of which, it is separated are both the Church. The issue lies with weakness on the part of men here, as well as things such as politics, linguistic confusion, etc. Wherever the Sacraments are offered, there is the Church. I feel the opposite opinion would be arguing that the devil destroyed much of the universal Church, many souls are lost, and God permitted this. Notice how I, earlier, used the word "Apostolic." I regards to protestants, who do not have Apostolic Churches, I believe that they do have Baptism. Because of Baptism, I argue that they are Apostolic Christians, a part of our Church, according to the universal angle, whether they like it or not, but that they lack the fullness of the True Churches. They are saved in this Baptism, and are in the process of being saved, only if they are totally ignorant that they are lacking the fullness of the Apostolic Churches and the rest of Her Sacraments and Tradition. If they know enough, but resist the Apostolic Churches, then their salvation is in jeopardy. I'm open to correction of this, though.
Wonderful clarity in this subject. Thanks!
They're dogmatic in Orthodoxy. This video is wrong. They're mentioned by name in the Akathist to St John the Baptist, the life of St Anthony the Great, in Homily 22 of St Macarius of Egypt, and elsewhere
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Super job!
This was fascinating
The 20 Shades of Toll I’m dying
Loved this video! Thank you for making it! Keep on keeping on.
Christ is Risen!
Btw: Curious what did you mean by "You can't call something purgatory without being purged there"
Well, proponents of tollhouses keep saying that you're not really paying for stuff there, but you literally have vision (and the entire name of the concept) being based off trade, paying, tolls and so on. :-)
My local priest believes in toll houses and insists everyone get a spiritual father who believes them as well. He acknowledged he was in the minority even.
Great job on these videos!
Now I’m Protestant so it would make sense I have not heard this before but this concept was very very...er...unique and very, uh....unexpected.
I believe the word you're looking for is 'Heretical'
So it is kind of like the dante's inferno model of hell where it was a book but some people take it as how hell is actually structured?
the music is perfect
Thank you!
The belief in tollhouses (and purgatory) seems to imply that adherents see Christ's death and Resurrection as not powerful enough to completely cleanse our sins if we turn to Him. I've never quite understood either of these concepts in light of the fact that when God forgives, He forgives completely and the sins are washed away.
I would agree with this as regards to Purgatory; my issue with the tollhouses is primarily is that it is obvious that the judgement of sins is left up to the demons.
@@BibleIllustrated Catholics do not believe purgatory is necessary because of some deficiency in Christ’s saving power. Catholics simply believe it is the process of purification “as by fire” from Hebrews.
You say Apocolypse is not read because it is a vision. Does this rule apply to isaiah's vision of the coal or ezekiels's visions?
Fulfilled visions are okay.
Theyre fulfilled prophecies. Apocalypse isnt
@@BroadwayRonMexico not yet ;)
Phew! Glad I won't have to climb all those stairs!
THANK YOU
Im really confused wis this idea of the toll houses is remind me a lot of the Purgatory, I’m Orthodox now but I was Roman Catholic before. I totally convinced that toll houses ideas is totally foreign to Orthodoxy. Thanks for this video very instructive.
Abjectly heretical
Thank you
I am considering orthodoxy, came across toll house teaching, and just about ran in the opposite direction! Terrifying.
Oh just ignore it. You probably won't even encounter it outside of the internet. :-)
Wether you accept or reject Orthodoxy that doesn't change anything if they are there. The Orthodox Church says going to confess your sins, doing good to others and giving charity helps you pass the tolls.
The internet has interesting and sometimes helpful info., but please talk to a priest who can answer your questions and recommend appropriate prayers, reading, etc. if you are interested in the Church. (Hint -- life-changing.)
This is well done!
They're dogmatic in Orthodoxy. This video is wrong. They're mentioned by name in the Akathist to St John the Baptist, the life of St Anthony the Great, in Homily 22 of St Macarius of Egypt, and elsewhere
@@iakov1906I'm unclear on your point
@@synthlord6575 the poster of this video is incorrect on Orthodox doctrine is my point
Ur BEGGINING intro made me throw my Rosary at my phone
I laughed out loud at tollhouse #352 :DDD
Me too
I love the little person screaming "ReeEEEEE" I think i know that person... maybe iam that person? REEEEEE
What a great video! I'm a catechumen and have heard of toll houses before but never really knew what they were or why they were controversial.
They're dogmatic in Orthodoxy. This video is wrong. They're mentioned by name in the Akathist to St John the Baptist, the life of St Anthony the Great, in Homily 22 of St Macarius of Egypt, and elsewhere
@@iakov1906That doesn’t make them dogmatic if they are indeed dogmatic.
@@CybermanKing saintly consensus DOES make them dogma in Orthodoxy. The fullness of the true faith was "once handed unto the saints" as the scriptures says
@@iakov1906 But it’s not in Scripture or the creeds and councils. There also isn’t a consensus among the saints. It’s an opinion by some and not by others.
@CybermanKing many many saints use the bible when discussing the tollhouses. Tomorrow I can send you tons of info on it if you're open
Hi, Where can one find the story of St. Gabriel of Georgia and the sinful lady redeemed? Thanks
One important absolute to deal in when speaking about the scripture is that god is not, and has never been a deliverer of fear, god is a deliverer of power, love and a sound mind, the punishments of the damned are of the concern of those who are not even concerned of them to begin with, WE as christians have rejected damnation through Christ, and by extension traded it for ressurection and salvation. We are of God's kingdom and are destined for no less than absolute freedom from the chains of torment. Always remember that where God provides us with conviction and awareness of our misdeeds, Satan seeks to invert these tools into fear, guilt, and nihilism.
Build yourself in Christ, and seek him in all things, and by doing so, understand that you are of his kingdom and reject Satan's message of fear.
Visions of the Saints > Bojan’s opinions on the visions of the Saints
I wonder how you reconcile mutually exclusive visions :-P St. Gregory the Great literally believed in purgatory. :-) Also, curious... how many saints saw the tollhouses? B-)
@@OrthoReadings So which Fathers actually saw the tollhouses except Basil the New, which is, as you said, one individual Church Father and therefore irrelevant? How many Church Fathers thought that St. Dionsysius the Areopagite wrote all the works attributed to him?
In any case, I highly suggest you revisit the video. My focus is primarily on Gregory's vision, not the symbolic representation of particular judgement.
Bible Illustrated There is a book called “The Departure of the Soul” that lists 123 different Saints/Church Fathers that make reference to the concept of the toll houses. Visions or not are irrelevant. And the fact that you’re using St. Gregory’s individual vision to disregard what multiple Saints spoke of is ridiculous. Here is a link you should check out.
www.orthodoxroad.com/toll-houses-and-the-fathers-of-the-church/
Eh, this discussion is pointless. Let's agree to disagree. :-)
Yeah sure whatever. 9_9
Thank you very much for this understanding.
I find your interpretation - a means to confession & repentance in this life much more constructive, meaningful.
Perhaps the ladder represents our journey heavenwards throughout THIS life & the tollhouses represent our obstructions to that journey?
Perhaps the money really represents the "self sacrifice" entailed in the ongoing conversion process?
I might even see a self sacrifice of the Saints being concerned enough for our struggles in this life to pray for us, when they could be having a "whale of a time" in the place for the blessed.
It is a common fundamental protestant concept to be "dead" = spiritually dead in our sins, while bodily alive. (Sometimes even "heretics" have some truth in them!!!!)
I wholeheartedly agree that it is very easy for misunderstandings to happen with this kind of revelation.
I think it makes sense - compatable with Holy scriptures & early teachings, if we simply transfer the time from after bodily death, to before bodily death
Thank you for clearly and humorously putting this issue to bed. I am so sick of the creepy tollhouse theory.
Thank you so much/
So what are we to make of “tollhouse” cookies?
I call them 'chocolate chips', to avoid any reference!!!
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I haven’t read it, but does Fr Seraphim Rose address this is in “The Soul After Death” book”
I started binging this channel. Could anyone give me a brief summary of what tollhouses are? I know this video describes it but I have no history or background on the matter so I was getting alittle lost.
No knowledge on the Orthodox Church either.
According to a belief that some Orthodox have, once a person dies, they are taken by their guardian angel through 20 demonic stations (tollhouses) where they are interrogated for different sins. The tollhouses begin with lighter sins (babbling, gossiping etc.) and get progressively more severe (adultery, sodomy, heresy, lack of compassion). You can read the vision I call out here:
orthodoxinfo.com/death/theodora.aspx