The passivity of his parents is simply mind boggling. They let the boy live a life completely separated from his family, and never questioned anything. Just mad weird.
Thank you! Thank you! I've been trying to find this case for years! Saw Amy's parents on a talk show years ago begging people to search their children's name online, if they had known Amy had a site targeted at her & Liam's obsession they could have protected her. This story has haunted me for so long ... Thank you, again! 🙏
This was a tragedy for all involved! Liam's cries for help we're apparent! His parents did nothing! If your child has NO friends, hibernates, depressed this isn't normal teenage behavior! They new something was wrong, yet did nothing! This could have been prevented if someone would've taken the time to listen to this young man!
DocuSearch should shoulder a heck of a lot of blame for this murder/suicide. No way am I making light of what Liam did but chatrooms, websites and businesses like DocuSearch may have contributed to this tragedy. Liam's cries for help went nowhere.
46:00 I agree! Docu Search is fully LIABLE and played a huge part in facilitating this murder. Shane on them, Really! And, in the end, they were found to be at fault....or they wouldn't have shelled out 80 grand to Amy's parents
You realize that they obtained these records specifically from places that sold her personal data? They did nothing but do something that everyone else was able to do their own. This is a problem with personal privacy laws and not the companies that just merely do what everyone else is able to do
@@JimMilton-ej6zi Agree 100%. The problem with your comment is the original comment, "Why can't someone do something!!!! whaaa" Today more than ever, these people want to be bottle fed and hand held, begging the gvt for some form of reprieve. What they fail to realize is that the gvt is what STOPPED privacy laws in the first place. Create a problem, make it bad enough everyone notices, then implement a terrible solution that steals a little bit more everyone's liberty. It's the way gvts operate. Look at the patriot act for a prime example. Can't help but notice that, meanwhile, gvt agents are protected. Interesting where they draw the line, is it not?
No, Liam should take the full blame. What's with this weird obsession with trying to blame things other then the person who made a conscious choice to comitt a terrible act?
@@byattwurns1553 I was a teen a couple of years older and to have your son borrow your car regularly for prolonged periods to stalk a classmate, to let your depressed & troubled kid spend extended periods on the then-often-hardly-known Internet and never notice odd behavior or text/images onscreen, and critically, to not help a young person who exhibited psychological & emotional distress out of apathy, ignorance, and bourgeois propriety - that’s just lazy/absentee/negligent parenting…
@@x77punk77x If it all happened at the same time. But if it happens slowly, bit by bit, you can make them think it's completely normal. Like boiling a frog, if you heat the stove slow enough, the frog stays, because it doesn't know it's being boiled.
Worse than oblivious: when he asked for chest reconstruction surgery, she dismissed his wish as "silly." Parents should be taught that dismissers like "silly" and "stupid" amount to emotional abuse.
With all that happened still in mind, it was so sad hearing he didn't have a friend in the world. Even if you just have depression and would never do these kinds of things, fight the urge to isolate yourself. I did it for years of my life. Recovery only comes through community and human connection.
I understand this happened in early days of the internet, but still, I feel DocuSearch is accountable for more than they're taking responsibility for because of the following... A Dramatic Dialogue by LI L: hey DocuSearch, I want to find out where this girl works DS: OK, well, to find out that very public information, we need you to supply some very private information about her to us (SSN, specifically) L: ok...hey, DocuSearch, I need you to find that girl's SSN for me DS: you got it big guy....hey presto! One girl's social security number for the man! L: thanks DocuSearch....hey, DocuSearch, here's that girl's SSN you asked for; can you tell me where she's working now? DS: public info coming up.....[well, shit, apparently that info isn't quite as easily found as we thought. Better get a PRIVATE DETECTIVE to find that out for our boy.] PD: one girl's work information for ya DS! DS: OK Liam, we got that very easily discovered public information for you... So, did nobody (meaning DocuSearch) use the INTERNET to search Amy's workplace or social security info? Because if they'd tried searching her name, Liam's obsessive site should have been returned, right? And why is DocuSearch providing the information they need from Liam TO Liam so they can then (eventually) get the work info to him? I hope the less than $100 he paid them for the information was worth it to them. No, but really, I hope they got their asses sued by any and all others they shared information about.
They are f********" at fault and filthy guilty of moral turpitude! You can't just hand out someone's Social Security Number! I guess the civil court agreed with us,! DocuSesrch paid 80 grand to Amy's family. It won't bring her back but the punitive damages might shut them down for awhile!
Neglect can be just as powerful, socially and mentally debilitating as abuse. It is such a shame that this young man Liam didn't have the guidance to turn what happened to him as a child into anything positive whatsoever.. RIP Amy Boyer. What a senseless tragedy..
I've been saying this for years. I describe it as indifference. It's definitely a form of abuse. It destroys the ego. By ego I don't mean arrogance or anything like that. Rather, your own personal identity, to yourself. A parents indifference, or its enough that the individual feels their parents are indifferent towards them. His parents were a shocking example of taking no responsibility for raising your child. Parents can feel that they are providing for their children & caring about them when they work long hours or provide material items. Whatever a child or youth says about wanting this, that or whatever, they will always want your love & to feel they are loved & they will want you to be interested in them more than being interested in what you can give them. You may think it's for the right reasons but if you have a child, they are the reason, there is no other reason that's as important. I understand that life doesn't make it easy to cover everything but it's about prioritising the importance. While a Father or Mother is taking all the available overtime or extra work or are exhausting themselves in an effort to create a home, They may look around one day & realize they hadn't even noticed their family had slipped away from them & in that situation it wont be a great feeling to have all the things or have the home & no family to include in it.
This is a podcast that has existed on many other platforms before it added content to RUclips. It's not one man anymore, it's a team of people and they have a decent following. On podbean and spotify they have more followers than subscribers on RUclips and it often rates as the number 1 podcast in Australia on Spotify.
That still doesn’t entitle him to commit a murder! Lots of people being stalked try to get help and no one helps them and their mental health plummets but they don’t feel entitled to murder their stalker. Stalkers do feel that entitlement and that’s the difference!
Depression dosn't exist. Just a group of weak minded people and all they think of is themselves. These people do nothing to better their position. Weakest excuse in our civilization.
@@SassySlater I think it's more a problem of sociopathy. He clearly only cares about himself and not others, so when a sociopath becomes depressed, they're bound to be more dangerous.
@@byattwurns1553 Agreed. I feel he was so absorbed in what he wanted and his self-pity that he didn’t even realised he had problems and needed help, let alone asked for help. He was so focused on what he and he alone wanted.
@@AngelsHandPrint What upsets me the most is that sociopathy is not treatable. These people must live the curse of being harmful, dangerous and uncaring. All you can do is keep them healthy, and hope for the best.
Everything the little sister asked in the end is what I was thinking. What kind of family is this? The kid literally had zero friends and was a complete recluse?
@nancychisholme5399 Wasn't Cabbagetown the place mentioned during the hunt for the serial killer who murdered several gay men ? I think his name was McArthur ? Cabbagetown, fame by the name if nothing else. ( I'm not in Canada or US)😅
@@lynnhexler-haan3357 yes , Andrew Kinsman was a neighbor of mine. He was a really good man, every year during the Cabbagetown Festival he would donate all the money he raised to organizations that helped LGBTQ youth.
@@lynnhexler-haan3357 sadly it was more than a suggestion, because Andrew was white and had a community who knew and cared for him his disappearance couldn`t be just ignored like the majority of that scum`s victims who were primarily homeless or people of colour from cultures unaccepting of the Gay community. The Canadian police force still has a long way to go
I don't feel one iota of pity for this guy. *He never loved Amy. If she had been with him, he would have abused and completely controlled her, because that's what happens when a stalker/potential stalker gets the object of their sick obsession. They can't have the empathy to see someone else's perspective.* People can't help if you don't say/do something, and if one person doesn't help you, find another. I'm an introvert, but I have several friends because I don't shun people's contact if it's coming from a kind/neutral place. After a point, it's on HIM.
Was no one was reading all Liam’s disturbed content online, realizing there was a serious issue with Liam’s mental health and Amy was in danger and thinking it would be a good idea to report him to the police, his family and any other appropriate authorities? Unbelievable and so sad for Amy and her family.
Another triumph, CF! Great narration, great research! I love that you followed thru, explaining how this case has truly changed things, in the world of law enforcement.....the way stalking cases are viewed. This is what sets Casefile apart from Briefcase, Crime Reel and many of the other true crime documentaries. Thank you for sharing this disturbing case, with us,!
Can you imagine if Amy had entered a willing relationship with Liam? Can you imagine what kind of boyfriend he would have been? Controlling, dominating and abusive. Regardless of if this boy got what he wanted, he would have still ultimately killed her because his motives aren’t unrequited love, it’s obsession and control and ultimately he wants complete power over her! So don’t twist it, that this was about a lonely boy or a depressed individual. That does a grave injustice to his victim Amy.
Really? Just because a hole was murdered this MAN wasnt lonely. Wasnt depressed????? Oh yeah and by the sounds of eralaven-cy, your not a hole. No male would refer to Liam as a boy. KEEP MAKING YOUR SELF FEEL BETTED CALLING HIM A BOY. ILL KEEP REFERING TO WOMAN AS HOLES. YOUR WRONG - HES NOT a boy. Fucking DELUSIONAL holes. I'm right. YOUR A HOLE. DO YOUR WORTH. LIE DOWN. PROVIDE A HOLE FOR SOMEONE. NOT ON RUclips SPREADING NOTHING.
The line in the little sister’s letter really got me: “How come you never asked him how his day went?” Just wow, I can’t imagine existing and just being overly ignored by every single person you come in contact with.
He killed someone for absolutely no reason. How awful is it that people in the comments are sympathizing with a monster when a bright young woman's life was taken?
Seems clear to me that Liam's motivation was simply to be seen or noticed. Very sad. He was messed up and while not all blame can be laid at his family's feet, his parents seemed to want to turn a blind eye to Liam's life despite knowing he was depressed etc. They need to accept some level of responsibility for what happened.
This story creeps me right out... esp the gathering of info about Amy. As a woman who's been in this situation, stalking no violence to this level, but lots of vindictive evil lies trying to ruin my marriage, this is truly a helpless terrifying situation be in. These men are so dangerous Scary knowing how many of them are out there and how easy ppl can access your life
You are so self centered you spend the entire comment making it about yourself lol, I don't think you have a stalker, I think you just want to feel like you're important enough to have one with an attitude like that.
MISFIT. Beware of the MISFIT. The LONER. Ultimately, PARENTS MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. Bryan Kohberger is definitely a MISFIT. Notice the Liam drove at night alone. Bryan did as well. Now I say, beware of strange loners who drive alone at night. Parents must stop waiting for the child to "get through it", or "wait until s/he goes to college" etc. etc. Loneliness especially in a truly alone adolescent is very dangerous to that child. And maybe others. Parents: SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP FOR YOUR CHILD! As soon as the depression/anger becomes persistent. 😢😢😢
There's no good reason a random citizen would need another citizen's social. Places like Docusearch shouldn't be legally allowed to provide these types of services
The statement from Amy's sister in her letter to Liams parents "how come you never asked him, how was your day!" Really hurt my heart. Throughout the story I kept asking myself, does this mother actually give a crap about her son? If my son ever looks down in the dumps I'm all over him like a rash, and I won't allow him to fob me off with, I'm ok, it's nothing! Seriously, that woman needs to hold a mirror up to herself and do some serious soul searching. Had she taken more interest in her son, Amy could well still be alive today! It is such a terrible sad story. My heart breaks for Amy and her family, but I also feel so sad for Liam who so desperately needed just one person in his life to care! 🙏🩷
Is anyone else disturbed by the comments stating that they feel sympathy for Liam? The fact they feel bad for him even when he proudly talks about killing people and stalking Amy is disgusting. Mental illness doesn't excuse his behavior and actions.
I can understand Liam a little - more now that I work in a mental health drop-in centre - but, having had parents who had next to no interest in me at a time when they were busy with the then new grandchildren, I, too, went into a solo existence. It can happen anywhere.
This story is incredibly sad. People are jerks to those who are different, he just wanted to be accepted and his parents lack of care was disgusting, they didn't deserve him. Very sad Amy had to pay the ultimate price.
Wow. The US gun laws really are just a sick joke to countries like Australia and the UK. Imagine walking into a department store and buying a gun? Mind boggling, vomit inducing stuff.
@@heavymetalredneck7973absolutely not jealous of you nor any other American. It’s obvious that owning 13 guns makes up for lack of a personality and also for having a teeny Weiner
Please tell me his site had *zero* readers. Cuz if even one person saw what he was posting but didn't alert the police, then I've officially lost all hope in humanity!
Amy's sister asked the most pressing questions here, to Liam's mother. He was ultimately responsible for his actions, but it is extraordinary that not a single person, not least his own mom, seemed to want find out more about his mental state.
@@jenniferj5324if you live in my house under my roof and you ain't doing the damn thing not even paying for food and rent I have every right to see what's in your room if you don't like it you can get the hell out and find your own place my house my rules and since you're not paying my mortgage payment you don't have the right to tell me what I can and cannot do in my own house so since you were grown ass man you can take your ass out there and get your own place
@CDM1971 you didn't tag me so you are responding to the OP but your response makes no sense, so I assume your message is meant for me. Adults should have a bit of privacy even if they're living in their parents' home. My whole point was by this point, this guy was technically an adult, not a child. However, his mother should have noticed something was off with him, whether she's snooping in his room or not. I lived with my parents until I was into my 20s and I will tell you, they were not running around snooping in my room, they always respected my privacy, but we were communicating on a daily basis, and they would have noticed if something was wrong with me.
If you have a child don't neglect them and you'll be good, liam's whole ordeal is because people neglected him and treated him like he was nothing and doing nothing to help his mental health. Just don't be a bad person and you won't create a liam.
I’m only 9 minutes into this case but it sounds like Liam could have used somebody to talk to about these feelings he was having. A close friend? A parent?? He clearly felt he had no one that would listen, except for the internet. 😕 sad.
While I can see where a person would completely blame him for the brutal murder of a nice looking and decent young lady is understandable. However, I feel that nobody tried to help him even though his own mom knew he was extremely depressed, etc. I understand also that this young guy was deeply troubled and had(s) no help from anyone anywhere apparently ever even though it was obvious. Mental health should be taken more seriously and patients especially this idiot dude should have been made to stay at a mental hospital atleast a 2-4 month stay atleast for observation.
In regards to *that* school shooting mentioned briefly in relation to this case… will that one ever be covered? There’s still so much disinformation out there on it.
Yes we do, but not everyone. He didn't have any felonies or a record or mental illness. Remember strict gun laws.Don't stop criminals from buying weapons on the black market, they only stop the mainly law abiding people. Also, part of the reason we have that right is to protect us from a tyrannical government, not just from criminals.
The new look is nice, but the twitching computer screen on the left is too annoying. It may sound strange, but I often fix my gaze on the static visuals while listening to podcasts, even though there isn't much to see. Your old look was great that way, but the new one has made my eyes water, and I had to look away... 😢 The content is great as always, though. Thank you! 💖
Why didn’t you examine anything from Amy’s point of view? Was she aware at all of Ian’s obsession with her? And that quote of googling your children’s names..? Had Amy ever googled herself? Had no one at all ever discovered he’d created a page for everyone to see and no one except the guy from Greece had actually seen it??
Liam: Very very clearly showed multiple times that he was in need of help, literally turning himself into the police and posting all of it online for anyone to see and possibly give him the help he needs, even having him demand to be put into a mental institution. Everyone: The website hosts/guns/liam was the problem here, why didn't anyone see these signs? Lets continue to ignore those signs in others and continue to use it to push our own personal opinions on things we don't like. You see how no one who talked about the case mentioned the mental health in it besides a few people? and even those few people still went after things that were woefully irrelevant to what actually caused it. This is just another one of those elliot cases where there were very clear signs and no one stopped it but then acted like they tried everything to stop it the second something goes wrong.
I honestly feel more for Liam than for anyone else in this story.... Even at the end, everyone gathered for the pretty girl and nobody cared about the depresses, lonely boy. Where were the god damn parents?! He needed mental help!
Odd to feel more for the person who committed premeditated murder. Ofc people gathered for the "pretty girl". Her life was taken and she had no choice in the matter unlike him.
@@ayeisbae She had a nice life and a quick death. He suffered his entire life and had nobody. Even in death... I see your point though. It is what you are supposed to feel. I just for some reason don`t.
@Moinmoin who are you to say she had a nice life? Being lonely Is nothing, being depressed is nothing. That's the bare minimum of sadness. People deal with worse shit on a daily basis, you think he had it bad? He went to college for gods sake.
@@byattwurns1553For some people being lonely and depressed is “the worse shit” He did an evil act, but his emotional turmoil should not be discounted. Had it been addressed the evil act very well would not have happened
@thelastroseofsummer "The worst shit" holds a lot of people in it. Had he been treated for sociopathy she wouldn't have died. Depression has been proved to increase empathy, so he wouldn't kill from that. He simply lacks empathy, the rest of his "sad" life is what most people go through.
I'm sorry man, but thumbs down this time. :/ after watching even another hole in your videos, I just cannot follow you! It's like the writing jumps all around and the narrating is really really slow and doesn't have to be spiced up, but doesn't create much depth for any characters or sympathy or anger or anything..... The main main point is that the jumping around of the narration and kind of insertion of what I guess I like the narrators thoughts or who knows somebody else's thoughts?! Does anybody also feel that way about this channel or am I watching the wrong videos cause please point me towards one I want to like it. thank you!
I was listening and kinda felt more sorry for Liam as I was just like him when I was younger, had alot of conflict, self loathing and isolation...not sure I would have killed anyone like he did tho. Rest in power Liam 💪
Rest in power? How could you say such a thing? I feel absolutely no sympathy for him especially when he started talking about killing people. Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies him murdering Amy.
that little girls remark at the end sums this case right up!!!...well done great coverage of this stroy xxxx
The passivity of his parents is simply mind boggling.
They let the boy live a life completely separated from his family, and never questioned anything. Just mad weird.
@Dannydolan88my family wasn't close either. I can feel sorry for myself or I can let it go & try to change the cycle with my own kids, idk.
It happens.
Cops got balls asking why others did nothing when liam went to them to ask for help n was told to go take a nap!!
Terrifying how Amy had no idea he was so fixated on her.
there is a liam out there watching you right now
This is why I don't give out my name. People are fucking weird.
Thank you! Thank you! I've been trying to find this case for years! Saw Amy's parents on a talk show years ago begging people to search their children's name online, if they had known Amy had a site targeted at her & Liam's obsession they could have protected her. This story has haunted me for so long ... Thank you, again! 🙏
This was a tragedy for all involved! Liam's cries for help we're apparent!
His parents did nothing!
If your child has NO friends, hibernates, depressed this isn't normal teenage behavior!
They new something was wrong, yet did nothing!
This could have been prevented if someone would've taken the time to listen to this young man!
Good to see another Australian channel. I'm enjoying it!
Appreciate no ads......story flows very well.
Liam went insane from loneliness. So sad. Such a tragic outcome for Amy.
I've never heard of this case before. Well done Mr CF another informative case. 💛
DocuSearch should shoulder a heck of a lot of blame for this murder/suicide. No way am I making light of what Liam did but chatrooms, websites and businesses like DocuSearch may have contributed to this tragedy. Liam's cries for help went nowhere.
46:00 I agree! Docu Search is fully LIABLE and played a huge part in facilitating this murder. Shane on them, Really! And, in the end, they were found to be at fault....or they wouldn't have shelled out 80 grand to Amy's parents
You do realize public records are, uh, public, yeah? Just because you can do it from the internet instead of going to the DMV doesn't make it a crime.
You realize that they obtained these records specifically from places that sold her personal data? They did nothing but do something that everyone else was able to do their own. This is a problem with personal privacy laws and not the companies that just merely do what everyone else is able to do
@@JimMilton-ej6zi Agree 100%. The problem with your comment is the original comment, "Why can't someone do something!!!! whaaa" Today more than ever, these people want to be bottle fed and hand held, begging the gvt for some form of reprieve. What they fail to realize is that the gvt is what STOPPED privacy laws in the first place. Create a problem, make it bad enough everyone notices, then implement a terrible solution that steals a little bit more everyone's liberty. It's the way gvts operate. Look at the patriot act for a prime example.
Can't help but notice that, meanwhile, gvt agents are protected. Interesting where they draw the line, is it not?
No, Liam should take the full blame.
What's with this weird obsession with trying to blame things other then the person who made a conscious choice to comitt a terrible act?
So many of these tragedies could have been stopped 😢
Utterly oblivious parents…wondered where he went at night, but didn’t ask. How many warning sirens need to go off? Great presentation, sad case.
Perhaps the sirens played so much they'd gotten used to it?
@@byattwurns1553 I was a teen a couple of years older and to have your son borrow your car regularly for prolonged periods to stalk a classmate, to let your depressed & troubled kid spend extended periods on the then-often-hardly-known Internet and never notice odd behavior or text/images onscreen, and critically, to not help a young person who exhibited psychological & emotional distress out of apathy, ignorance, and bourgeois propriety - that’s just lazy/absentee/negligent parenting…
@@x77punk77x If it all happened at the same time. But if it happens slowly, bit by bit, you can make them think it's completely normal. Like boiling a frog, if you heat the stove slow enough, the frog stays, because it doesn't know it's being boiled.
Worse than oblivious: when he asked for chest reconstruction surgery, she dismissed his wish as "silly." Parents should be taught that dismissers like "silly" and "stupid" amount to emotional abuse.
With all that happened still in mind, it was so sad hearing he didn't have a friend in the world. Even if you just have depression and would never do these kinds of things, fight the urge to isolate yourself. I did it for years of my life. Recovery only comes through community and human connection.
Friends wouldn't have helped his situation. He was in need of appropriate professional mental health treatment.
@bostonsandatot4948 False. And no shit. RECOVERY 👏 ONLY 👏 COMES 👏 THROUGH 👏 COMMUNITY 👏 AND 👏 HUMAN 👏 CONNECTION 👏
The poor guy had no one who really loved him or cared about him, that is the issue here. His parents were negligent.
This is an excellent comment.
I understand this happened in early days of the internet, but still, I feel DocuSearch is accountable for more than they're taking responsibility for because of the following...
A Dramatic Dialogue by LI
L: hey DocuSearch, I want to find out where this girl works
DS: OK, well, to find out that very public information, we need you to supply some very private information about her to us (SSN, specifically)
L: ok...hey, DocuSearch, I need you to find that girl's SSN for me
DS: you got it big guy....hey presto! One girl's social security number for the man!
L: thanks DocuSearch....hey, DocuSearch, here's that girl's SSN you asked for; can you tell me where she's working now?
DS: public info coming up.....[well, shit, apparently that info isn't quite as easily found as we thought. Better get a PRIVATE DETECTIVE to find that out for our boy.]
PD: one girl's work information for ya DS!
DS: OK Liam, we got that very easily discovered public information for you...
So, did nobody (meaning DocuSearch) use the INTERNET to search Amy's workplace or social security info? Because if they'd tried searching her name, Liam's obsessive site should have been returned, right? And why is DocuSearch providing the information they need from Liam TO Liam so they can then (eventually) get the work info to him? I hope the less than $100 he paid them for the information was worth it to them. No, but really, I hope they got their asses sued by any and all others they shared information about.
They are f********" at fault and filthy guilty of moral turpitude! You can't just hand out someone's Social Security Number! I guess the civil court agreed with us,! DocuSesrch paid 80 grand to Amy's family. It won't bring her back but the punitive damages might shut them down for awhile!
Neglect can be just as powerful, socially and mentally debilitating as abuse. It is such a shame that this young man Liam didn't have the guidance to turn what happened to him as a child into anything positive whatsoever..
RIP Amy Boyer. What a senseless tragedy..
I've been saying this for years. I describe it as indifference.
It's definitely a form of abuse.
It destroys the ego. By ego I don't mean arrogance or anything like that. Rather, your own personal identity, to yourself. A parents indifference, or its enough that the individual feels their parents are indifferent towards them.
His parents were a shocking example of taking no responsibility for raising your child.
Parents can feel that they are providing for their children & caring about them when they work long hours or provide material items.
Whatever a child or youth says about wanting this, that or whatever, they will always want your love & to feel they are loved & they will want you to be interested in them more than being interested in what you can give them. You may think it's for the right reasons but if you have a child, they are the reason, there is no other reason that's as important.
I understand that life doesn't make it easy to cover everything but it's about prioritising the importance.
While a Father or Mother is taking all the available overtime or extra work or are exhausting themselves in an effort to create a home,
They may look around one day & realize they hadn't even noticed their family had slipped away from them & in that situation it wont be a great feeling to have all the things or have the home & no family to include in it.
Thankyou for the amount of effort and time you obviously put into your uploads…. Why you don’t have way more subscribers I dont know
This is a podcast that has existed on many other platforms before it added content to RUclips. It's not one man anymore, it's a team of people and they have a decent following. On podbean and spotify they have more followers than subscribers on RUclips and it often rates as the number 1 podcast in Australia on Spotify.
Liam tried to get help even though he was so depressed and nobody…not his parents or the police…bothered to listen. Really sad all round.
That still doesn’t entitle him to commit a murder!
Lots of people being stalked try to get help and no one helps them and their mental health plummets but they don’t feel entitled to murder their stalker. Stalkers do feel that entitlement and that’s the difference!
Depression dosn't exist. Just a group of weak minded people and all they think of is themselves. These people do nothing to better their position. Weakest excuse in our civilization.
@@SassySlater I think it's more a problem of sociopathy. He clearly only cares about himself and not others, so when a sociopath becomes depressed, they're bound to be more dangerous.
@@byattwurns1553 Agreed. I feel he was so absorbed in what he wanted and his self-pity that he didn’t even realised he had problems and needed help, let alone asked for help. He was so focused on what he and he alone wanted.
@@AngelsHandPrint What upsets me the most is that sociopathy is not treatable. These people must live the curse of being harmful, dangerous and uncaring. All you can do is keep them healthy, and hope for the best.
Everything the little sister asked in the end is what I was thinking. What kind of family is this? The kid literally had zero friends and was a complete recluse?
Greetings and salutations from Cabbagetown Toronto. Thank you Casefile and team,
Cabbagetown is the best name for a area , haven't heard of that before, I'm in Australia ❤
@nancychisholme5399
Wasn't Cabbagetown the place mentioned during the hunt for the serial killer who murdered several gay men ? I think his name was McArthur ? Cabbagetown, fame by the name if nothing else.
( I'm not in Canada or US)😅
@@lynnhexler-haan3357 yes , Andrew Kinsman was a neighbor of mine. He was a really good man, every year during the Cabbagetown Festival he would donate all the money he raised to organizations that helped LGBTQ youth.
@@nancychisholm5399
It was suggested that the police investigation was somewhat lacking. It's something we all hear far to often.
@@lynnhexler-haan3357 sadly it was more than a suggestion, because Andrew was white and had a community who knew and cared for him his disappearance couldn`t be just ignored like the majority of that scum`s victims who were primarily homeless or people of colour from cultures unaccepting of the Gay community. The Canadian police force still has a long way to go
I don't feel one iota of pity for this guy. *He never loved Amy. If she had been with him, he would have abused and completely controlled her, because that's what happens when a stalker/potential stalker gets the object of their sick obsession. They can't have the empathy to see someone else's perspective.* People can't help if you don't say/do something, and if one person doesn't help you, find another. I'm an introvert, but I have several friends because I don't shun people's contact if it's coming from a kind/neutral place. After a point, it's on HIM.
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R.I.P. Amy
Was no one was reading all Liam’s disturbed content online, realizing there was a serious issue with Liam’s mental health and Amy was in danger and thinking it would be a good idea to report him to the police, his family and any other appropriate authorities? Unbelievable and so sad for Amy and her family.
No one saw it though, that's the thing. Imagine it more of as a personal diary than a public thing.
Poor, poor Amy. Im so sorry =(
Another triumph, CF! Great narration, great research! I love that you followed thru, explaining how this case has truly changed things, in the world of law enforcement.....the way stalking cases are viewed. This is what sets Casefile apart from Briefcase, Crime Reel and many of the other true crime documentaries. Thank you for sharing this disturbing case, with us,!
Perfect presentation! ❤
Can you imagine if Amy had entered a willing relationship with Liam? Can you imagine what kind of boyfriend he would have been? Controlling, dominating and abusive.
Regardless of if this boy got what he wanted, he would have still ultimately killed her because his motives aren’t unrequited love, it’s obsession and control and ultimately he wants complete power over her!
So don’t twist it, that this was about a lonely boy or a depressed individual. That does a grave injustice to his victim Amy.
It’s still sad that Liam could have had potential if his idiot parents hadn’t been so far up their own asses
You take comfort in calling him a boy. Think you know it all. A hole is what you are. Nothing more. Lot less. Holes ( woman)
Really? Just because a hole was murdered this MAN wasnt lonely. Wasnt depressed????? Oh yeah and by the sounds of eralaven-cy, your not a hole.
No male would refer to Liam as a boy. KEEP MAKING YOUR SELF FEEL BETTED CALLING HIM A BOY. ILL KEEP REFERING TO WOMAN AS HOLES.
YOUR WRONG - HES NOT a boy.
Fucking DELUSIONAL holes.
I'm right. YOUR A HOLE. DO YOUR WORTH. LIE DOWN. PROVIDE A HOLE FOR SOMEONE. NOT ON RUclips SPREADING NOTHING.
@@Island_properWow!!!! You're a real peice of work aren't you?
@@LeanneFowler-ms5xc only in response to that woman calling him a boy. Women give no respect but want it back. Fuck that.
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Love the updates you guys have done to the videos! The inclusion of more specific content warnings are much appreciated too, thank you. ❤
The younger sister's questions at the end for his family are heartbreaking... "Why didn't you play with him?"
The line in the little sister’s letter really got me: “How come you never asked him how his day went?” Just wow, I can’t imagine existing and just being overly ignored by every single person you come in contact with.
He killed someone for absolutely no reason. How awful is it that people in the comments are sympathizing with a monster when a bright young woman's life was taken?
Seems clear to me that Liam's motivation was simply to be seen or noticed. Very sad. He was messed up and while not all blame can be laid at his family's feet, his parents seemed to want to turn a blind eye to Liam's life despite knowing he was depressed etc. They need to accept some level of responsibility for what happened.
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This story creeps me right out... esp the gathering of info about Amy. As a woman who's been in this situation, stalking no violence to this level, but lots of vindictive evil lies trying to ruin my marriage, this is truly a helpless terrifying situation be in. These men are so dangerous Scary knowing how many of them are out there and how easy ppl can access your life
Cheater huh? Nothing unusual about that, not these days. Just try not to get caught again 😂😂😂😂
@@heavymetalredneck7973 What, are you 4?
You are so self centered you spend the entire comment making it about yourself lol, I don't think you have a stalker, I think you just want to feel like you're important enough to have one with an attitude like that.
The man you want doesn't want you back. Accept it.
@Mewsette1 If they are 4, they're a genius for being able to write that comment.
God, I never even could get my ex-husband's social security number when he was my husband. I only ever had the first 3 numbers.
23:41 Are you saying a company provided a random person with someone else's social security number? This sounds illegal.
MISFIT. Beware of the MISFIT. The LONER. Ultimately, PARENTS MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY. Bryan Kohberger is definitely a MISFIT. Notice the Liam drove at night alone. Bryan did as well. Now I say, beware of strange loners who drive alone at night.
Parents must stop waiting for the child to "get through it", or "wait until s/he goes to college" etc. etc. Loneliness especially in a truly alone adolescent is very dangerous to that child. And maybe others.
Parents: SEEK PROFESSIONAL HELP FOR YOUR CHILD! As soon as the depression/anger becomes persistent. 😢😢😢
There's no good reason a random citizen would need another citizen's social. Places like Docusearch shouldn't be legally allowed to provide these types of services
A regrettably common very American story.
How is it that easy to get someone's SIN #??!!
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The statement from Amy's sister in her letter to Liams parents "how come you never asked him, how was your day!" Really hurt my heart. Throughout the story I kept asking myself, does this mother actually give a crap about her son?
If my son ever looks down in the dumps I'm all over him like a rash, and I won't allow him to fob me off with, I'm ok, it's nothing! Seriously, that woman needs to hold a mirror up to herself and do some serious soul searching. Had she taken more interest in her son, Amy could well still be alive today!
It is such a terrible sad story. My heart breaks for Amy and her family, but I also feel so sad for Liam who so desperately needed just one person in his life to care! 🙏🩷
I hug trees peace to all
This deeply disturbed young man has been posting his lunacy on social media for YEARS and no one thought to notify the police? Smh 🤷🏾♀️
You assume anyone was reading.
He literally did himself and the police told him to go home after he begged them to get him some mental health help. Did you not watch the video?
Heartbreaking, on so many levels.
Is anyone else disturbed by the comments stating that they feel sympathy for Liam? The fact they feel bad for him even when he proudly talks about killing people and stalking Amy is disgusting. Mental illness doesn't excuse his behavior and actions.
It’s obvious that his mother was also mentally ill.
I can understand Liam a little - more now that I work in a mental health drop-in centre - but, having had parents who had next to no interest in me at a time when they were busy with the then new grandchildren, I, too, went into a solo existence. It can happen anywhere.
Terrifying story! How easy to get people's personal details 😟
This story is incredibly sad. People are jerks to those who are different, he just wanted to be accepted and his parents lack of care was disgusting, they didn't deserve him. Very sad Amy had to pay the ultimate price.
Wow. The US gun laws really are just a sick joke to countries like Australia and the UK. Imagine walking into a department store and buying a gun? Mind boggling, vomit inducing stuff.
It's not that easy, but no need to be jealous, i only have 13 gns 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Lol wait until you find out how easy it is to get firearms in places like Africa and the middle east.
@@heavymetalredneck7973absolutely not jealous of you nor any other American. It’s obvious that owning 13 guns makes up for lack of a personality and also for having a teeny Weiner
You jealous? What I find ridiculous is the fact that you think you have any say over my rights in my country.
@@heavymetalredneck7973 these people are fools, right? What is vomit inducing about citizens having the rights to protect themselves?
Please tell me his site had *zero* readers. Cuz if even one person saw what he was posting but didn't alert the police, then I've officially lost all hope in humanity!
Why did the internet pick up those trigger words?
That's how search engines work
Wtf were the parents thinking? They are as much to blame. It is so sad all round. If only someone had helped him.
"scrubbed from the internet" Guess again. Nothing is ever gone from the internet. The Wayback Machine has all his stuff.
"gambino information service, nyc and new jersey" sounds totally legit and not a front for one of the main crime families at all
Hello Casefile! Thank you for delivering such interesting content! Please analyze the David Koresh/ Branch Davidian case! It’s very complex!
Remember, if you are at all insecure or do not really like the company of others than you are a serial killer.
Well, this guy is an abysmal human being
Amy's sister asked the most pressing questions here, to Liam's mother. He was ultimately responsible for his actions, but it is extraordinary that not a single person, not least his own mom, seemed to want find out more about his mental state.
Yes please!!!
Oh this sounds all too familiar . 😢😢😢😢
What mother doesnt check her childs room for “weeks” 😮
He was an adult by this point. Did you miss the step where he went to college and was working? Children cannot legally purchase guns.
@@jenniferj5324if you live in my house under my roof and you ain't doing the damn thing not even paying for food and rent I have every right to see what's in your room if you don't like it you can get the hell out and find your own place my house my rules and since you're not paying my mortgage payment you don't have the right to tell me what I can and cannot do in my own house so since you were grown ass man you can take your ass out there and get your own place
yep you sound like one of those people that don't even pay attention what your child is doing
@CDM1971 you didn't tag me so you are responding to the OP but your response makes no sense, so I assume your message is meant for me. Adults should have a bit of privacy even if they're living in their parents' home. My whole point was by this point, this guy was technically an adult, not a child. However, his mother should have noticed something was off with him, whether she's snooping in his room or not. I lived with my parents until I was into my 20s and I will tell you, they were not running around snooping in my room, they always respected my privacy, but we were communicating on a daily basis, and they would have noticed if something was wrong with me.
If I had child they would get no internet access and no video game console.
If you have a child don't neglect them and you'll be good, liam's whole ordeal is because people neglected him and treated him like he was nothing and doing nothing to help his mental health. Just don't be a bad person and you won't create a liam.
I’m only 9 minutes into this case but it sounds like Liam could have used somebody to talk to about these feelings he was having. A close friend? A parent?? He clearly felt he had no one that would listen, except for the internet. 😕 sad.
Literally described me up until 3:05 🥴🥴
I’m so glad I’m I was ugly in high school
They had cars but were still taking a bus to the school?
He probably couldnt use his mother's car every day.
I don't understand what the heck that he didn't drive to school has to do with anything?
So,.....he did all of that just because she said "hi"? 😮
While I can see where a person would completely blame him for the brutal murder of a nice looking and decent young lady is understandable. However, I feel that nobody tried to help him even though his own mom knew he was extremely depressed, etc. I understand also that this young guy was deeply troubled and had(s) no help from anyone anywhere apparently ever even though it was obvious. Mental health should be taken more seriously and patients especially this idiot dude should have been made to stay at a mental hospital atleast a 2-4 month stay atleast for observation.
He is completely to blame. You've just described the majority of killers.
Liams parents suck
Liam should have bought a piece and put it to the vegetable inside his skull
In regards to *that* school shooting mentioned briefly in relation to this case… will that one ever be covered? There’s still so much disinformation out there on it.
There are no Walmarts in Vermont.
That's not true.
And many Americans insist anyone must be allowed to buy a gun.
Yes we do, but not everyone. He didn't have any felonies or a record or mental illness. Remember strict gun laws.Don't stop criminals from buying weapons on the black market, they only stop the mainly law abiding people. Also, part of the reason we have that right is to protect us from a tyrannical government, not just from criminals.
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The new look is nice, but the twitching computer screen on the left is too annoying. It may sound strange, but I often fix my gaze on the static visuals while listening to podcasts, even though there isn't much to see. Your old look was great that way, but the new one has made my eyes water, and I had to look away... 😢 The content is great as always, though. Thank you! 💖
I agree the twitching computer is a distracting then Very annoying 😮
I do my chores and just listen, you don’t have to watch a story, just listen to it.
The website comment "nice site, very informative, keep it up" was probably from a bot - my old blog got dozens of similar messages.
The first problem is the Medication they are on the second problem is 'falling in love' and obsessing over a stranger from a distance
Why didn’t you examine anything from Amy’s point of view? Was she aware at all of Ian’s obsession with her? And that quote of googling your children’s names..? Had Amy ever googled herself? Had no one at all ever discovered he’d created a page for everyone to see and no one except the guy from Greece had actually seen it??
Liam: Very very clearly showed multiple times that he was in need of help, literally turning himself into the police and posting all of it online for anyone to see and possibly give him the help he needs, even having him demand to be put into a mental institution.
Everyone: The website hosts/guns/liam was the problem here, why didn't anyone see these signs? Lets continue to ignore those signs in others and continue to use it to push our own personal opinions on things we don't like.
You see how no one who talked about the case mentioned the mental health in it besides a few people? and even those few people still went after things that were woefully irrelevant to what actually caused it. This is just another one of those elliot cases where there were very clear signs and no one stopped it but then acted like they tried everything to stop it the second something goes wrong.
Just be an accountant or IT guy, Liam, gangsta ain't you brah.
Crap
They don't want to admit that Amy led him on
I honestly feel more for Liam than for anyone else in this story.... Even at the end, everyone gathered for the pretty girl and nobody cared about the depresses, lonely boy. Where were the god damn parents?! He needed mental help!
Odd to feel more for the person who committed premeditated murder. Ofc people gathered for the "pretty girl". Her life was taken and she had no choice in the matter unlike him.
@@ayeisbae She had a nice life and a quick death. He suffered his entire life and had nobody. Even in death... I see your point though. It is what you are supposed to feel. I just for some reason don`t.
@Moinmoin who are you to say she had a nice life?
Being lonely Is nothing, being depressed is nothing. That's the bare minimum of sadness. People deal with worse shit on a daily basis, you think he had it bad? He went to college for gods sake.
@@byattwurns1553For some people being lonely and depressed is “the worse shit” He did an evil act, but his emotional turmoil should not be discounted. Had it been addressed the evil act very well would not have happened
@thelastroseofsummer "The worst shit" holds a lot of people in it. Had he been treated for sociopathy she wouldn't have died. Depression has been proved to increase empathy, so he wouldn't kill from that. He simply lacks empathy, the rest of his "sad" life is what most people go through.
I'm sorry man, but thumbs down this time. :/ after watching even another hole in your videos, I just cannot follow you!
It's like the writing jumps all around and the narrating is really really slow and doesn't have to be spiced up, but doesn't create much depth for any characters or sympathy or anger or anything.....
The main main point is that the jumping around of the narration and kind of insertion of what I guess I like the narrators thoughts or who knows somebody else's thoughts?! Does anybody also feel that way about this channel or am I watching the wrong videos cause please point me towards one I want to like it.
thank you!
Thumbs down to you for this convoluted rambling
Docusearch was the real victim
I was listening and kinda felt more sorry for Liam as I was just like him when I was younger, had alot of conflict, self loathing and isolation...not sure I would have killed anyone like he did tho.
Rest in power Liam 💪
Rest in power? How could you say such a thing? I feel absolutely no sympathy for him especially when he started talking about killing people. Nothing, absolutely nothing justifies him murdering Amy.