The nurses who never returned
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Case 249: Lorraine Wilson & Wendy Evans
** Content warning: Sexual assault **
When trainee nurses Lorraine Wilson and Wendy Evans failed to return to work in Sydney after a holiday around Australia in 1974, fears arose that they could have fallen victim to the so-called Gold Coast Hitchhiker Murderer. But when a discovery is made in the rural town of Murphy’s Creek years later, an even more disturbing possibility emerges.
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Imagine being those girls, knowing you were about to be raped and murdered, and a car drives by. You think you're saved, but no. They drive off and don't even tell the police until the NEXT DAY. Their blood is on those cowards' heads. I understand why they didn't stop, but they should have driven straight to a phone, a police station, anything. While they slept, those girls were tortured and killed. Disgusting.
Yep. I literally tried to put myself in their shoes too. I imagined screaming for help and seeing the people drive off and feeling my heart sink, but then I would probably have a little flicker of hope that they had sped off for help. But nope. So I have no words. I hope all of those people were haunted in their sleep.
That's Australia. Weren't thousands of scumbags sent to rot and die there for years? It seems the bad DNA is still around....
Actually doesnt shock me. My neighbors are so fcking crazy obsessed me. Try to get inside my house many many times.
@@annberlin5811why haven’t they been arrested?
@@MsTygameoften would be attack3ra know how far they can take their harassment and abuse without getting arrested though assualts that dint leave marks and not acting in front of witnesses...bullies either fine tune there art after school (or becom3 cops" and know how to manipulate our court systems
A man once tried attacking me in a parking lot. I screamed as loud as my lungs possibly could. A random man popped his face over a nearby fence & confronted the first man. He even got a photo of him and his license plate. The man left me alone & vacated the area almost immediately. All it takes: is one witness to question the situation & potentially be a hero.
@mcdougalvalentine5801 exactly. Glad you are ok and the Lord sent someone to be there at just the right moment. I want through something worse but not as bad as the nurses so I know how you felt at the time.
These poor girls probably thought they had been saved sooo many times!! Horrible way to die. The lack of care by the police sounds quite suspicious
I do have to admit, there was a point in this story where I was thinking much the same thing: that such incompetence was probably deliberate to cover up police involvement
This excuse of bumbling "incompetence," when faced with crimes against women, is a suspiciously global phenomena in police departments... until you discover what type of men are at the top of the pyramid. Yes, pyramid.
I think it's because when this occurred, the early 1970's, people (including police) didn't get involved in "domestic situations" meaning domestic violence or aka "Family fights." I was a young police officer, fresh out of the Academy in very late 1980's and the very oldest of supervisors didn't think we should be involved in that. I stood up to him while on his shift because I had learned about it and knew better. Being on probation for your entire first year as an officer, you can be let go because they don't like how you shine your boots. It was terrifying to tell him "no sir, I'm not leaving this home without arresting the husband, he is the aggressor and he committed a battery. He's going to jail tonight.
The Sgt just looked at me, lit a cigarette and went and got into his car. I knew Iwas doomed. Well, I thought wrong, and it turned out that he respected my courage and he learned from that night himself. He was one of my biggest supporters until he retired.
Sorry for the long post-just wanted to share that up through the 1990's were a not great time to be a woman. Things have only really changed in the last 23 years.
@@LaLadybug2011 Thank goodness, someone who has common sense and can actually view the situation from how things were THEN, instead of how they are NOW. Police and everyday people never got involved in these incidents, if that's what they thought they were. That's why everything changed from those days to now. I know this area well and it was very isolated back then and still is now. Phones, police etc were not common in those days.
Queensland police in this case were so incompetent and uncaring . The men who killed her were totally despicable sadists . The witnesses who turned away and did nothing , gutless and weak people . What a sad fate these poor innocent girls had to suffer .
💯👍
When u find monsters free to run around do what they like no one to bother them everyone terrified of them u know the police are corrupt 💯
Well, it pays to be related to a high up cop. And I mean REALLY HIGH UP!
They are regularly incompetent and uncaring in Qld. The smaller the town, the worse the police. From what I've experienced anyways
The women weren't innocent, they were responsible
Those poor women. So unfair. About 10 yrs ago my teen neighbor drove up to her house blaring her horn & yelling for help. I ran outside with my gun & her dad came barreling out shooting his gun in the air. The guy chasing the girl spun around & fled in his vehicle. Turned out he was a big high school football “hero” whom the girl rejected & he apparently got pissed. He was on the run for 2 days. Then an 82 y/o guy called the cops to say someone broke in his house & the guy now needs a hearse (he must have watched Sling-blade). It was the football guy. Case closed. A POS eliminated.
It's a shame citizens must take justice into their own hands these days.its the same in America. Not expecting a quick turnaround in society 😢
Blessings from Kentucky. Stay strong and stand your ground 💪🙏❤
That's some swift justice right there 😁
We don’t carry guns thank god
@@annegiorgio5602 Then you couldn't have helped
@@eugenehong8825 but this wouldn’t have happened in the first place so your observation is incorrect and even if it did happen here who in their right mind would get involved at the risk of being shot and killed. Also I couldn’t think of anything worse than actually shooting and killing someone and running the risk of being jailed for it.
One of the best case files I have listened to. How each of these police officers got away with such blatant neglect is beyond comprehension..never mind the perpetrators.. 😡😡
They should have lost their jobs.
And the one officer who was investigating was transferred and shut down!
A sad truth. Ridiculously shameful incompetence.
The victims and their families wouldn't say this was one of the best cases. I couldn't say that either!
Maybe you though it was the worst case?
I don't know if I will be able to continue as i obviously know the outcome.
Actually five minutes if enough!
Rest in peace dear poor ladies!
Cannot stomach this story.
Better stick to fiction. 👎
Thank goodness you're not blaming the innocent 'witnesses' like all the other narcsissists.
Thank you for covering this case from my local area ,this reminds me of Anita Cobby in many ways ... The pure terror of running in a strange area at night knowing if someone finds you they will hurt you while hearing your friend scream knowing what's happening... God Bless Their Souls 🌹
It sounds like a scene from a horror movie
My local area too.. to think some of these men still walk the streets of Toowoomba.
Yeah Anita Coby. Worst most brutal case I've ever heard. Kept me awake at nights.
Rip Anita. ❤
@@SH-to8shI Thought that too…Kinda reminded me of Wolf Creek
Amen
I feel so sorry for the poor parents. No help from the authorities, who appear to have been grossly incompetent to the point of malfeasance. What a nightmare those families had to live through, aside from the murder of their poor daughters.
It's hard to imagine how every single person who came upon those poor girls and could have saved them were too cowardly to try to help. Sure those animals represented a serious threat but why didn't one of them at least have the moral fortitude to risk being hurt to save them. Was there not one hero amongst them? I'm sorry to say I was a student nurse in London around this time and as a young girl away from home I often thought I could die here and people would step over me. I never attributed this mentality to Aussies.
I very briefly worked in Sydney Hospital with Anita Cobby, and didn't know her on any personal level, yet her death remains with me today. I wonder how many times these witnesses have thought about this tragedy or looked at their own daughters and wondered what if that were our daughter?
There's no question about it... bad people can be stopped but it takes courage. Looking the other way is tantamount to condoning their behaviour.
💯👍
I agree. I will never turn my face away from any one in trouble. It could be my daughter.
I would have jump out like what are you doing to my daughter's and if my life would have been taking I would have been a hero hit them with the car or some 😢😢
Humans ARE animals. We are primates. That is not an insult. These people were monsters.
@Smorss2011 you insult animals by saying that. Animals do not rape, torture and kill each other for pleasure.
It’s sounds like this entire town is ground zero for incompetence, especially the cops who sounded like they really didn’t care at all!
Officer Hamilton made an effort, Norma wanted to: but her husband felt women being mistreated in 'just a domestic' was acceptable behavior.
And denying a memorial placque is not going to wipe the slate clean...the truth will find a way to come out. This podcast proves my point.
It's too bad some men were raised to believe women and children should be seen and not heard. Very 😢
How can someone witness a crime & not immediately report it to law enforcement?
I don’t get it. That’s being complicit IMHO. You see girls struggling with men while screaming for help & do nothing?!
Especially parents with daughters. That could be your girl one day & how would you feel if someone saw her being attacked & just left then stayed silent. It’s mind boggling.
To all those that don’t come forward - just know that Karma is a b!tch & you’ll pay for your complicity one way or another.
Some would think it is likely a case of husband and wife arguing or boyfriend and girlfriend and do not want to interfere. Some people overreact to situations. I have seen young children crying in the presence of an adult-I presume the adult is a parent or guardian so I do not intervene and ask the nature of the relationship.
Domestic violence is a thing. People die from it & it’s illegal so I don’t care if the person who’s being attacked is in a relationship with the attacker. You call the police! And it’s better to overreact than sit by twiddling your thumbs while someone is being assaulted & murdered.
And little kids throwing a tantrum when they don’t get their way is completely different than a teen or young adult screaming for help. Your comparing apples to ostriches & if you can’t see the difference I pity you.
What a tragic story full of fumbles. I've heard that Qld is dangerous to travel in the remote areas. How sad that justice was never really dealt out.
I've never found that. I've travelled throughout every part of Qld & never had a problem, even sleeping out under the stars beside my car. Driving on crap roads or encountering deadly critters are more likely to be problems than someone with bad intent. I have to agree that it's infuriating that these women, other victims & their families never saw justice.
@TutuFerret I got that information off a documentary a while back about an English couple. I think the boyfriend was murdered. Sorry, I can't remember the entire story.
@@regine3147 That sounds like Peter Falconio/Joanne Lees. That was a crazy case, and very unusual. That was in the NT - I've travelled through there as well & slept in the car near where it happened. I think the fact that parts of this country can be very dangerous if you're not prepared means you do what you can to prepare to survive all kids of danger. There are usually plenty of other tourists or road trains around. There's not a lot of phone reception but I listen to truckies on the UHF & they report issues on the road & I'd call them for help if necessary. People are usually friendly and ready to help out, but I rely heavily on instinct & if something feels wrong I steer clear. I love the outback and the desert & can't wait for my next trip in September. My 80yo mum's coming this time so it will be motels, not sleeping rough. :) I really do love this country so I can get a bit defensive.
@@TutuFerret no worries. Living in the city is not necessarily safer 😀. Enjoy your next trip.
There are definitely areas of QLD where you don't stop especially at night.
The absolute cowardice of people is staggering.
A nation of fake tough guys... and psychos.
@DinoCism well we do try to be like America sooo....
@@bearcatracing007uh no nothing like us. We didn’t have concentration camps during the plandemic
Just like in the Chinese bbq attack recently, women who wanted to intervene were told by their husbands and boyfriends not to get involved.
Some men don't want to challenge the right of other men to attack women in public
Someone attacked a Chinese BBQ?
LOL all you gotta do to avoid an interview with the cops is just freak out and scream like a baby? just lock him in the room for a few hours and hell tire himself out eventually.......... or dont.
Stunning return to form for the Casefile team.
This video out of all the casefiles I've watched has frustrated me the most. EVERY SINGLE PERSON that could have helped save or get justice for these girls failed them.
I have often thought that Australians were very like Texans. I now think I have been wrong. No Texan, man or woman, would have behaved as those Australian witnesses. May God have mercy.
Facts 🙌🏻
It makes me wonder if the police force were really that incompetent or if it is entirely something else…
I'm finding it difficult to credit what I'm hearing. The local police allowed a gang of *known rapists* to walk the street, grab any girl they fancied, but it was apparently *okay* as long as they let the girl live afterward!?!? That's about the most blatant example of "boys will be boys" that I've ever heard of. What, was the local cop's attitude "They're just cunts, and if they'd just put out like they're supposed to, there'd be no trouble"?!?! Unbe-fucking-lievable!
My dear, in my hometown in Brazil, two evil brothers did exactly that for years. Many others did the same in other States -- nobody cared. So, one day, one of the two brothers made a mistake: he had a large debt with dealers (guns and drugs debt). He didn't pay it. The dealers hired hitmen to catch the brother. He was tortured, and then burned alive in his car. After that, his brother stopped playing around because he was afraid to die...but guess what?! Their mother created a foundation to fight for justice for her criminal son! 😂😂😂 a bunch of stupid mothers supported her...and there is more! That womak became also a Senator of the Republic. Oh! Yes! Using her son's death she became powerful and influential and rich. That's our world today. I can't trust the system. I just can't ! 😡
The most satisfying part of this is how 3 or 4 of the men involved ended up dying in unfortunate circumstances.
Absolutely well-done! The narration, the musical pieces, and the viewing on screen. Great.
Queensland police post war were hopeless, 90% of the QPF were corrupt,women were going missing all over Qld but the cops did bugger all to find them.
Those people will not rest with that on their conscious
Trust me: they do. And they don't think about it. Selfish people really don't care.
Awesome case reporting..... Don't change a thing my dear ❤
Don't expect help in time of need. We are on our own I see
Me listening to this case: oh, it was in Qld. “Toowoomba range…(where I’ve lived for nearly a decade) wait what?
I don't know, but is it right to assume that in a case where there are too many witnesses that it makes it harder for the the large number of eye witnesses to corroborate and make consistent stories to use in in court. Am I right, or any legal experts willing to chime in on this?
Amazed how many people just shrugged and did nothing, and the police who apparently weren't interested in anything other than collecting a paycheck.
The officers who arrived at the camp and listened to screams for 40 minutes could have used their sirens and lights even bullhorn to scare perp away. Might have saved two lives.
Do you know the area? Where the camp is located and where Murphy's Creek is in a completey different direction. They probably wouldn't have heard the sirens and it definitely wouldn't have really affected the perpetrators either way.
@@heathergarnham9555 still could have tried
Never Hitchhike
This is the most frustrating case!
How many people could've done something to help these girls!
Wtf is wrong with people!
At the very least they could've called the police!
It's apparent who was responsible!
The sheer number of awful people in this story is staggering.
I’m shocked at the level of cowardice! How many people witnessed these crimes and did NOTHING?? I always thought Australians were tough and fearless? I guess it’s only around crocodiles.
As a teenager in the 70s, I hitch-hiked the Brisbane/ Wallangarra route several times...sometimes at night. Many people hitch-hiked then. It was part of a dramatically changing social and political landscape where 'freedom' was the catchword of the day. I can't believe the risks we took.
Notice the astounding incompetence of the Australian police. Their arrant stupidity was also on similarly clear display in the Ivan Milat case , which was in fact 'solved' by a British backpacker , Paul Onions , who refused the reward that he had rightly earned.
With police like this, who needs criminals? With witnesses like this who needs enemies?
Imagine people hearing your screams and you still get killed because no help came.
I've always loved Australia and wanted to visit...not any more. And to think I was afraid of all the wildlife that can kill you-now it's not the wildlife I'm afraid of, it's the finding out that people don't seem to have empathy or common sense in knowing to call the police! It's been a long while since a true story made me cry this much. These poor girls, the horror they went through, beaten and gang raped-by a group of young men that were complete psychopaths or worse-like a pack of demons.
How do you accidentally sever an artery in your garden?
💔for the poor families of these poor young women!😔♥️
the number of people who saw something and did nothing is depressing
There are so many villains and cowards in this story.
Pretty sad police work, not even taking down statements, etc. Failed these girls as they could have prevented any further attacks had they done the work initially. Seems possible these perps were being protected by someone(s) in power.
Cops, Pub owner & customers likely had heard bragging from those responsible during the years. ALL knew who owned the Green vehicle and the men likely responsible. Complaints never went anywhere when lodged with police.
Every opportunity to help seemed to be of no more than one man and his wife or gf and children. What was needed was four blokes returning from a day of construction, turn the tables on the miscreants.
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there are few murder cases that really give me the chills. This is one of them.
Can’t say that detectives or police, except for a couple of them, come out as bright lights in this story.
Their handling of the case was woeful! (To say the least)
As to the 2 witnesses who obliviously went home to bed, one must hope that Karma got them along the way.
What a travesty. No help for those poor women and the absolute inept police work. How terrible
The police in Toowoomba especially hi up in the chain of command knew exactly what was going on . Really what has changed . Even though there are many good
Police officers.......dear god there's a lot of bad ones especially hi up in the chain of command. There's 2 reasons why the police did not act on the hideous crimes perpetrated on the poor innocent girls hitchhiking in Toowoomba and that was twofold. The families were very well known in Toowoomba and the police didn't want a profile . A for u people that don't know but it's always the same everywhere.
In the 70s 80s and 90s the New South Wales and Queensland police force had a mantra given to them by the criminals and journalist . And it went like this New South Wales police the best money can buy . Exactly the same with Queensland police in fact the corruption went through to
the Queensland premier . And people wonder why so few respect the police . To think that a police officer not only knew the car make and the people driving it but also it had no door or window openers .
Shame shame shame .
The police seem too apathetic these days, not to mention those witness's who didn't report what they saw immediately. We need to be able to arm ourselves, it is the greatest equaliser. Coming from another Aussie who had a bad hitchhiking experience as a young teenager. 👍❤🙏
😢 this is the worst case I have ever heard of of police negligence.
So easy for us , all safe in our home, to criticise the people who saw what was happening. Fear can make us react in ways we can’t understand or control. I’m not sure what I would do differently if I had my children in the car. Remember no mobile phones and in an area where a police station could be an hour away. But I would hope that I would do something.
So to recap:
-Like 100 people saw everything
-Exactly 0 of them helped
-But about 50 told the cops what they saw at least 10 times each
-And the cops couldn't even pretend to give even a shit
Aaaaaand I'm now I'm in a white hot rage and can't sleep. I'm gonna go punch some stuff until my eye stops twitching.
White hot rage? Don't murder anybody.
I was going to watch this for bed, guess I'll watch this during the day. Thanks for the heads-up.
Punch a few teddy bears for me ..careful of hard objects, you'll only hurt yourself. I can't sleep now either. There hard to be some reason the cops didn't want to investigate. Either
1. Hitch hiking young girls were immoral
Or
2. the cops were too afraid of that whole family of perpetrators and didn't want to stir up that wasp nest
Such devil's advocates!!!
I agree the local police needed to be investigated. Way too much shotty of police work.
Reports not taken seriously and written down, lack of investigations on leads.
A freaking mall security guard could have done a better job.
Leads one to wonder what connections that influenced people and police in that town.
The casual misogyny of dismissing a clearly violent assault as "probably a domestic", or being too afraid of their husband to report an obvious crime to the police even when the murders were in the news, is appalling.
Those women's lives weren't worth the effort to pick up a phone.
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misogyny? OMG nobody even KNEW about those theories back in the day. You minded your own business or got shot.
Yeah that line stood out to me too. The pure absurdity of someone causally dismissing someone being afraid for there lives as “just domestic abuse” is rage inducing
“Casual misogyny”… 😂 grow up and stop using made up words.
@@VainakhQuranites both of those are real words? What are you even on about?
The level of incompetence in the police is truly mind blowing. And equally baffling is the absolute disregard of numerous witnesses who just couldn’t bevothered
My thoughts exactly !!
I've read your exact comment way too many times. It's scary, it really is. END QUALIFIED IMMUNITY!
Cowardly witnesses, stupid police, two dead women. What a combo.
It's because the main suspect was related to a very senior police officer - and I mean VERY high up!
So any investigation into him would be shut down - IMMEDIATELY!
Remember the Fitzgerald enquiry??
the number of people that saw something but did nothing is just frustratingly astonishing
That's exactly what I was thinking, that and the apathy of the police. So many opportunities missed. Very sad.
Sickening, isn't it? Plus the amount of cowardice and "not wanting to get involved", even advising their daughter not to get involved!
Looking at this case, it's not hard to see how Nazism so easily got itself established, either. 😏
Makes me wonder if it is an Australian cultural thing? The amount of times someone could have spoken out and possibly helped really is incredible. 😢
Sick really...
I just cant believe it! Oh my God, the girl made it away to someones home, and she didnt automatically call the police?? Wait until my husband gets home?! WTF And he says nah, just a lovers tiff? OMG
The one thing I've learned from listening to every episode of Casefile is to never hitchhike. Ever.
Especially in Australia!
70s
And a wallaby will take you straight to human remains without all that expensive training and sniffing about.
@@tessaducek5601 trust me,today is much more dangerous than the 70's.not even close.
@@jerrymarshall2095 This was in the 70s
poor policework is the reason some of these monsters could terrorize the area for many years....
And guess which police officer was on duty and did nothing …. Peter Dutton!
Bloody disgusting that the council wouldn't support the memorial plaque.
Right?! Probably because that would have confirmed how useless and incompetent police and everyone was/is
I believe one of these pieces of filth worked for the council.
@@TeslaKuhn8they got it anyway.
Damn: there is no "domestic" that allows one beating up the other. ALWAYS call the police and stop the violence. How awfull that so many reacted doing nothing when people were screaming for help
The amount of people who might have seen some of this crime is crazy. It could have been reported during the crime about 5 times. If it had been reported properly and promptly they would have at least been caught way earlier. The police in the area knew the family and the car and had heard screams! She even went to a door to get help. Then not reporting it after you know someone was killed is just so wrong. The police are also so awful here. I hope all those people who didn’t report any part of the crime in progress feel bad.
Can you imagine being so afraid of your husband that you wouldn't report witnessing a murder?
Those women's lives seemed worthless to the police and witnesses.
The police were useless. They should all be sacked.
@jturtle5318 Exactly. Must be the dark side of Australian "mateship". 😏
I hope all those who witnessed and did nothing end up in the same situation
@@brianziolkowski2300 Well.. Not a very constructive wish, but I feel your feelings!!
I've learned the real evil lies in those who witness, participate, observe haneous acts on others...yet remain silent & unaffected by human suffering.
Well. you learned wrong! Nobody is responsible for the evil of others.
Spot on!!!
@@malakaikunahauif you know what someone did and don’t say anything, then you bare some responsibility for their evil. Especially if they go on to hurt other people as a result of your silence.
@@malakaikunahauthat's how I feel whenever I am accused of slaves I never owned or Indians I never killed.
What a God Forsaken hole that place must be! Justice will be served when each and everyone of them meet their maker and Im not just talking about the murderers, I include the Police and the Silent Witnesses too. 😡😡😡
honestly I hear this story and know it was very nearly my story in the 70's, when my friend and I hitch hiked all over. Foolishly thinking her mace would protect us. We were picked up by some guys with bad intent, started partying with them, when the one started to rape my friend in the back seat. We locked eyes and in our heads both prayed together with all our might. We were best friends and it was like our secret thing, in tricky situations. Their car broke down on a highway , we ran away. Miles from home, but enough traffic was around they didn't chase us. There was a gas station close by, we ran there. We were found by a grandfatherly man who offered to take us home, and chewed us out and made us promise we would never do it again. And we never did.
I did this too, at the same time, in Australia, alone and without mace which was illegal and still is...sheesh, talk about dodging bullets.
Even today, I would never hitch
wonder twin powers- activate
@@blinklost especially today
@debrastarr5083 mace can blow back into your face, making you even more of a victim. I tried it on a porch. Didn't realize we had a little breeze now and then. It went in my face. Burns your eyes and nose and makes your eyes water. Takes forever to get it out.
So many witnesses! Some of them took too long to report what they saw. If everyone reported immediately maybe something would have been done, the policing too was lacking
These poor women begged for help from at least TEN PEOPLE who couldn't be arsed to put themselves out 😡 I can not imagine the utter despair they must have felt every time another person left them in the hands of their tormentors.
Some did call the police but they did nothing, it was never properly investigated.
Yeah, in the hands of all their Torturers . 😔 🙄💔 RIP Sweet Souls.
I'm so sorry Sweet angels that there is PURE EVIL MIXED WITH TRASH in this Beautiful world .
While you're judging everyone, what have YOU done to save anybody?
@@malakaikunahau I was a soldier defending my country. What the hell have you done apart from defending murderers and police incompetance.
@malakaikunahau I have personally called emergency services on another continent to check on someone making s*icide threats. I have done multiple wellness checks at the requests of a family friend - and was the one to find their son after he finally committed s*icide.
How about you?
I remember reading about this case in the Good weekend magazine. The author believed that the reason the police didn’t take the reports seriously is because they knew these men and their families on a personal basis. That’s the dilemma of working those types of jobs in the area you live in.
So your saying? The police department should have been investigated and held accountable.
I was wondering that the whole time listening to video.
I dont understand how so many witnesses could not stand up for these girls by either intervening or making sure police were called straight away, especially the woman who sheltered one of the girls in her home for several minutes. And the police at the time who never took statements or even followed up on witness information. This is so disgusting, especially when we pay these forces to protect us and uphold the laws. Those poor girls were left to die at the hands of these monsters!
So many opportunities to help these girls and not one did anything, unbelievable.
And the one cop who started investigating got sudden transferred
including you
‘’It was probably just….” is how a denial is stated…person blowing off the possibility someone might need help, might cause another person some inconvenience. In my opinion, the indifference and cowardice of much of the “general public” are as bad as the actions of criminals. More scary because you don’t expect much humanity from rapists and killers, but you always want to think your neighbors care. Good luck with that.
Agreed, the ignorance of people failed them. And the mindset of 'oh I will report to the police if I hear something in the news'. FFS, if you hear in the news that means tragic already happen 🤦
Apathy is an epidemic, well pandemic, and a generational one. It is the opposite of love, not hate, and causes so much damage worldwide.
"as bad as the actions of criminals"...you may want to think about that one.
@@dougtaylor2803ok I thought about it. Yep I agree it's as bad.
The failure to do something, makes a person compliant to the crime being committed. ( getting to a safe location and immediately report to police was the minimum they could have done).
Remember this. If your driving the get away car. And your friend shoots & kills someone. Your an accomplice in the crime. And should be held accountable in the murder.
The lessor of 2 evils is still EVIL!
@@AngelMGordon Reminds me of this line from Boondock Saints: “We must all fear evil men, but there is a different kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.”
Another excellent telling of another horrifying case, replete with a group of sadistic, degenerate killers, and apathetic, incompetent law enforcement who ignore witnesses, fail to interview identified suspects or follow promising leads and eyewitnesses who don't contact police immediately. The authorities appeared to be clueless that they were dealing with a serial killer or killers. Absolutely appalling and inexcusable that these murders are still unsolved.
Well done research and report of a gutwrenching case.
Precisely. 💯👍
Really? I feel like not watching it now for I fear I cannot deal with the rage and frustration.
Mabey they are in on it ,makes no sence otherwise 😮😮😮
My impression is that all of the area's police were being paid off and/or intimidated by that group of thugs before the nurses were murdered.
@@ericanelson1973my thoughts exactly!!
My own sister hitch hiked and was raped and abandoned in the bush. Thank god she was not killed. This case is so wicked and disgusting, these blokes need to be treated like this themselves and hopefully were in prison.
Sorry your sister went through that.
@@jostewart554 Thank you..
Probably.
@@Hippidippimahm Thank you, she is is a good marriage now, but if has effected her throughout her life. My parents took it all on and kept it away from us kids at the time the best they could. They have now both passed.
great coverage of this case...and the police omg omg ..they are a disaster, basically they are all guily for their ignorance, what if it had been their daughters its tragic it really is xxx
These girls deserve justice for what happened to them. And for those who have kept quiet about the perpetrators - you're all a bunch of COWARDS!!
And the person whose name was given to police, repeatedly, and by HEAPS of people, who was considered as a very viable suspect, with his brothers and cousins? Well, he wasn't even looked at, because his brother was very, very high up in the QLD police force. So whenever he was mentioned, or someone wanted to investigate this man or his relatives, it was IMMEDIATELY shut down, with threats of violence and loss of jobs in the police force.
Queensland - The best police force that money can buy!
So many similar cases,disgusting what gets covered up & ignored to protect the people that are supposed to protect & serve the public
I hope Brian and Thelma feel guilt till they die. Personally I think that is unforgivable. One of the girls looked straight into their eyes and screamed for help. And they did nothing??? WTF? I felt sick when I heard that.
indeed, I understand that they were afraid for their little daughter, but it was far too late to report the incident to a police officer until the next morning. Hours had passed by then.
They had a child with them. Or you wanted that dead too. And in case you missed it there where multiple people that witnessed them and did the same thing. Some had children with them too. And called the police after , who didn't even bother too get their testimony. One woman interacted with one of the girls who ran at her house for help
@@loredanadincu4300Then ALL that lot, PLUS the police, were stupid, cowardly and negligent. 👎
One of the strongest instincts is self-preservation. Most people like to see themselves as heroes who would risk their lives to save another, but in reality it is more the exception than the rule for someone to do so.
But to go home and still not call the police or non emergency number is absolutely negligent! They are selfish people! One day they may need help & that's when karma will be waiting.
I'm as frustrated with the witnesses as everybody else BUT.... what about the complete constant balls up from the police department? They are useless. One detective that takes it seriously gets transferred somewhere else. WTF? The police department are to blame for the scumbags getting away with crime after crime which include murder and rape. Why weren't they held accountable?😡
The police deliberately let the evil ones off the hook because the police couldn't possibly be that messed up. They let that straggler go home because he was upset to be questioned and he lawyered up! OMG! 😢
They rarely are.
The 80s were absolutely wild. All these people witnessing the crime but refusing to report it are absolute scum, just brushing it off as a 'domestic' or too scared. It seems everyone involved were useless. The police, witnesses and obviously perpetrators. Absolute madness.
This was 1974.
@@dougtaylor2803 aight...
The 70s were absolutely wild. All these people witnessing the crime but refusing to report it are absolute scum, just brushing it off as a 'domestic' or too scared. It seems everyone involved were useless. The police, witnesses and obviously perpetrators. Absolute madness.
The Stranger Beside Me by Ann Rule
The Gift Of Fear by Gavin De Becker
In The Presence Of Danger Masterclass
Without Conscience by Robert D Hare
What is wrong with Aussies. They make Newyorkers seem helpful!
Just ignore the assualt and keep driving. Not our problems.
Can't even start with how completely incompetent authorities were.
Australia is heaven compared to New York, get over yourself!
@@bearcatracing007
Get over myself?
That is not even relevant .. 🤣
You have to be Australian!
@@tessaducek5601 They are Aussie, from N. Queensland, Australia.
I didn’t sense that I was listening to details of a crime spanning decades that occurred in a civilized country. Nearly everyone involved behaved like lunatics.
I came from a country town close to Toowoomba, We knew to never go anywhere near the family or be caught on your own. Your assumption of lawless lunatics is quiet correct.
@@deadlyqueensif your regionally local. I have a question. What connections between the police and the 2 main family's ? Is Someone a powerful politician? Is other illegal activities associated with those involved that might have been paying police off?
@@AngelMGordon on several posts in this comment section it says one of those involved had a brother "way, way way high up" in the local police force. I am an American so have no idea if that is a fact but it is stated multiple times in the comments/replies to comments.
Have you checked out the world lately?
@@AngelMGordonthe police used to be a corrupt boys club
I know people back then seemed to not give a shit about domestic violence but HOW was the situation they came across just 'a lovers tiff' the women were screaming for help, they looked right in someone's face and asked for help!! Idk if you have your kids in the car, roll down the window a little bit and yell, honk the horn, make a note of the licence plates idk just try something 😢
What if they have a gun?
Shorty was so crazy that he bellowed like a cow but yet he knew enough to hire a lawyer? The couple that drove by with the small child and saw the abduction going on they should have forced the issue with the police. They should have made that phone call along the way they might have saved the lives of these two nurses.
So many could have saved these nurses & no one could be bothered ..
No one had mobile phones back in the 70’s so a silly comment. Also, it’s one thing to go and help people in distress in broad daylight in an urban area and only one possible assailant, it’s quite another to be out at night in a remote wooded area faced with several possibly violent men doing harm, and also having your childs’ safety to think of. Honestly, we would all love to think we would assist in such cases, the reality is you have to weigh up whether you will be harmed too, a fight or flight kicks in and I am pretty sure those people lived with guilt for the rest of their lives.
@@JayneMcDonough-b3d .." along the way" is referring to they could have stopped at the pay phone mentioned along the way but they didn't stop to use it because they thought the men would ride by and see them on the payphone.
@@JayneMcDonough-b3d Thank you for being SANE!
@@LaLadybug2011 How many phone boxes do you think were in this very remote area back in the 70s? NONE would be the answer.
I hope every last person that didn't report what they saw get a dose of it themselves and no one helps them
This is why I carry... You can't rely on others to help you
Bystander Syndrom is a SERIOUS problem all around the world. People can be really selfish... If You see something SAY SOMETHING! You could save a life!
Maybe you could save your OWN life if you don't help, ever thought of that?
@@malakaikunahau Just because you don’t jump in and help in the moment doesn’t mean you should just go home, crack open a beer and forget the whole thing. What kind of a person are you?
@@malakaikunahau Are you related to the killers?
Why didn't the police just sound their siren that windy night. Surely, that would have frightened them off.
Exactly my thoughts
“The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.” Or "Evil prevails, when good people stand's idle"
“We must all fear evil men, but there is a different kind of evil which we must fear most, and that is the indifference of good men.”
Sounds like the men in this country need to grow some balls. 3 or 4 different times these women could've been saved
All the leads given to the police, and they did not one thing, with the info. What despicable insults to their profession.
As I listen more and more the police are pissing me off,..not doing their job
When will the senseless killing of women and children stop? So sad to listen to this story especially if someone could’ve done something to help
So just women and children get murdered not men? I hope your not implying that only men are capable of evil because plenty of cases of women murdering their children.
It will stop when women take their safety serious and stop hitchhiking and waking home late at night. Carelessness leads to their death everytime
@@apippin774 Every time?
@@apippin774oh yeah, it will stop when women stop living their lives and start cowering because of men! That’s a great solution!
Thank you so much for shining light on a very dark stain on Toowoomba.
I was young when those poor girls where found and their terrible demise was related to us young girls not to hitchhike🥺
A culture where violence was excepted as normal has no place in our society.
Thank God attitudes have shifted. To late for Lorraine and Wendy sadly😢
Note to self: Don't ever go to Australia! As no one will help you if something happens to you. Nice people down under.
Things are a little more advanced than in 1974.
These men were known
From Toowoomba to Goondiwindi and most were
Terrified of them. Because they
were mad
@@deadlyqueensNo excuses please! 🤦♀️
Australia is still a very dangerous place. Many people vanish there yearly, serial-killer cases from time to time. Another problem is that the Communist regime institutionalised took the guns from the citizens. You don't have the right to defend yourself and the laws are hyperlenient. It is no good place for vacation or to live.
Australia is immeasurably safer than the USA... There are more murders in Atlanta Georgia every year than the entire nation of Australia..
Yeah judge a whole country based on one small rural town. What about that woman who was raped on a train full of people in America and no one did anything?
That makes me sad about the plaque. That would've at least given something - as Eric stated. Anyway, as always, thanks for the hard work you put into these cases.
Police didn't want to be reminded of their extreme incompetence.
WTF is it with all the people who saw women clearly needing help, who screamed for help, and they did nothing?! Then we have the police who were totally uninterested in hearing of these things. What the hell is up with that? It makes me want to never go to Australia, where God forbid if I ever needed help, I wouldn't get it. Especially the men who didn't want to get involved. Sickening. What i must have been like, to be those women, pleading for help and getting none.
A women was raped on a train full of people in New York in 2021 and no one did anything except record with their phones. So should I avoid America?
Some misogyny issues in that part of town for sure
@@kanivaoh1915 Oh no a feminist.
Jeezz as an Aussie living within an hour of most of these places, I am shocked at the mistakes, and blind eyes turned over and over again..
My condolences to all the families. At least hitch-hiking deaths haven't happened for a very long time since this era.
Beautiful production yet again casefile ❤
Less hitchhike these days
The bystander effect is very real. When in trouble, point and tell someone to call the cops. In this case, yell, "You or Each person or Everyone or Everybody call 911 together" and issue a declaration "I will die if YOU don't help"
So 3or 4 car loads of criminals rape and murder 2 women with multiple witnesses and police actually notified of the crime as it is happening. Several perpetrators brag openly for years and it still took this long to catch them. The complete incompetence makes the keystone cops look like absolute super geniuses. The officers involved should actually have to pay back all the pay they received over their entire law enforcement careers. And face criminal prosecution
Unpopular opinion: everyone wants to talk about and condemn the many witnesses, but nobody wants to talk about how Lorraine ignored her friend's pleas not to go and threatened to leave her there by herself if she chose not to go. Listen to your gut ladies.
I also love how Americans are being quick to judge Australia based on one small rural town, when a women was raped on a train full of people in New York in 2021 and no one did anything except record with their phones.
The same in the Colleen Stan case,everyone telling her not to hitchhike & she was totally defiant she was going to which lead to an horrendous living hell for over 7 yr's,it's one of Casefile's stories if you haven't got round to listening to it,a hard listen it's so sad & disturbing by a very sick f@#k
It was the 70's and a different time. Hitchhiking was popular back then, which is why so many people fell victim to serial killers.
The shocking level of police incompetence lead me to keep thinking some police involvement must be the case. It wouldn’t surprise if this ultimately turned out to be the case. You just can’t be that ineffective without deliberate intention.
I was married in 74 and an Aussie but have never heard of this case 😢so many mistakes and uncaring attitudes. 😮