Old PC Gaming Joystick Review | Best 90s PC Joystick | Thrustmaster, Logitech, Saitek
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- What's the best retro 90s joystick for your old retro gaming PC? I made a list of gaming joysticks from the 90s and I bought all six!
How do you determine the best gaming joystick for an old 90s retro PC? I’m looking at four factors: Looks, Feels, Function and Value for money.
I’m looking for a gaming joystick, not a full HOTAS setup. Secondly, these old retro 90s joysticks are gameport joysticks, not USB. This means they’ll work far better in both DOS and Windows and should be a lot easier to install on my Windows 98 gaming PC.
Going to head to head we have the Microsoft Sidewinder 3D Pro, the Logitech Wingman, the ThrustMaster Top Gun, the Gravis Blackhawk and the Saitek Cyborg 2000. We have a last-minute new challenger in the guise of the CH Gamestick, which I won on eBay for 83p delivered!
First up is the Microsoft Sidewinder 3D Pro. Microsoft have always made good gaming hardware and the Sidewinder PC peripherals from the 90s are amongst the best.
Next we’re looking at the Logitech Wingman Extreme. The Wingman is probably one of the most iconic items from the entire 90s. Nearly all PC gamers had a Wingman in one form or another.
Number three is the Thrustmaster Top Gun. This officially-licensed joystick was released some ten years after its namesake, but comes from arguably the biggest name in simulation gaming.
Fourth on the list is the Gravis Blackhawk. Gravis are well-known for their line of sound cards, gameport cards and PC gaming peripherals and the Blackhawk is well-known to flight sim aficionados.
The most contemporary joystick on this list, the Saitek Cyborg 2000 was released in - you guessed it - the year 1999. Saitek have been making PC peripherals forever and the Cyborg is something to behold.
Last but by no means least, our last-minute entry, the CH Gamestick. CH are famous for being one of the first manufacturers out of the gate making joysticks and some of the real vintage sticks are immensely expensive. The Gamestick though was intended to be a budget stick for all-comers. 
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The Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback 2 is the best stick ever.
I think it's overrated. It is solid and has some high tech appeal with it's infrared sensor (nice Darth Vader effect of centering into your hand when it approaches the sensor) and electromagnets instead of springs, but I always flew better and more competitive with my Saitek Cyborg, even when that was worn out quite a bit.
Agreed. I've had mine since 2005 or so. Just unbelievable how robust it is.
Thousands of hours in FS 2002, 2004, FSX. All Battlefield series aircrafts since BF Desert combat, up to BF3... It's simply the best joystick I've ever owned or used. All other controllers I've ever had are disposable plastic trash compared to it.
They don't make 'em like they used to!
My force Feedback 2 broke :( I also had that wingman stick..
@@NuntiusLegis the issue is, the FFB 2 receives signals from DirectInput making it compatible with an astounding number of games. There's a DIY FFB yoke that captures telemetry data and in-game yoke position but it only works with two flight sims. If you want the feel of the stick tension you need to get into the world of gimbals that have cam profiles to change the leverage of the spring as you pull, which are expensive as hell and have no actual FFB.
The Sidewinder FFB is not about having the most competitive stick. In terms of button layout and quantity it flat out sucks compared to modern sticks.
It's about feeling the air pressure on the control surfaces, it's about the correct trim function flying helicopters. It's an electronic love letter to aviation that sadly has been out of production for almost 20 years.
And for that reason, it deserves the title of best stick ever.
I own the Saitek Cyborg 3D USB II since 2001. An awesome joy in my opinion. Still in a good condition. Can be rearranged for lefties and palm height as well.Cost me 40 USD back then. That's nearly identical to the Saitek Cyborg 2000. I didn't even know anything about joys actually. My colleague told me I should by Cyborg. Told him I had never heard about it. "What?! You don't know Cyborg?!" then I, in Obi-Wan style: "Should I have?" then he's like "They make the best joys on planet Earth!!". So I bought into it and never looked back. Very good joy indeed.
The Logitech Wingman 3001 is what defines 90's PC joysticks for me. I remember not only having one but some of my friends too.
Far and away my favorite late 90's joystick was the Logitech Interceptor. Much like the Wingman Extreme, but with more hats and grip buttons.
I had this one too growing up. It was awesome. Do you know if its possible to get it to work on windows 10? I just recently found it and got a converter to usb but my computer doesnt seem to detect it.
@@mikek9352 I haven't used it in years. But there was a profile I found to get it working with Win7 with about half the buttons. My new PC has no joystick port so I gave up on it around 2014.
The Logitech Wingman Interceptor was, in fact, the best joystick. Definitely. I absolutely loved that extra double-trigger under the main trigger. Was so good.
I'm a little late, but I just picked one up for 4 bucks at goodwill! Can't wait to get an adapter for USB and try it out 😁
some honourable mentions: Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro,(well worth checking out and way better than the 3D), Sidewinder Force Feedback.
I could have made a video just about Sidewinders.. :)
I still use the FFB2 in elite dangerous / other titles, love it, the original FFB and the Precision Pro on Independence war 2 edge of chaos and others back in the day, great sticks too.
no go for me, the gravis js for descent i&ii, terminal velocity destroyed it.
these types of fps can not be played with a large js.
Still think the Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro is my favorite 90s joystick, mine still works perfectly in 2022
Hey, I see that you still stream and are active, just wanted to post some rivet counter junk in here. The Thrustmaster Top Gun stick is actually not the same stick as used in the F-14, it's based off of the B-8 grip, which was used in a variety of fighters. It's actually still a great piece of kit for those who want to build a simpit for something like the DCS F-86 Sabre, without having to pour money out like water onto sand. It's actually functionally almost identical, which is great!
Great knowledge! Thanks for commenting
those first 3 joysticks you mentioned the 3d pro , the top gun and the Wingman . I have all three of them , each joystick dedicated to retro gaming , on Windows 2000 , Windows 98 SE , and Windows XP .
Legend
Thanks for making this funny video!
I recently snagged a Thrustmaster Top Gun Fox 2 Pro from a charity shop for £2.
Very pleased with it, it is USB - however I dont know any fun games to play with it yet.
I know it works with Battlefield, and probably most other games too.
Try War Thunder
I like the Blackhawk digital, it is comfortable like the original but has a lot more buttons
+jason parsons The BH digi is a solid stick and had a hat, which is a must. As it's newer though, the digital aspect makes it harder to get working with newer machines. If that's your bag.
Excellent video guys! One of your best.
Very helpful
I have that thrustmaster topgun just found it stashed inside a cabinet along with old computer parts from my father.
What a great find! The TopGun is a great stick!
recognized all but two from the silhouettes alone. I guess I did too much gaming as a Wing Commander and X-Wing addicted kid :-)
No such thing as too much Wing Commander or X-Wing!
five years late, you should try and find a Blackhawk Digital. it adds about 4 buttons on the grip and a hat. big con: software defined serial drivers. pro on that con: supports two sticks on one port
My brother and I saved up and bought the saitek cyborg 2000 (specifically because online reviews were great and my brother is a southpaw so it was great for us to switch between)... we did have issues develop however because it's sensitivity was just a bit crazy and it was just going all over the place (well beyond dead spot) under even small use..
anyway, think i still have it somewhere, may dig it up because I'm busy rebuilding some 286, 386 and 486 machines.. (after checking for compatibility lol)
Good man! It's an absolutely solid stick, so glad I found it. I still use it on my modern machine with a Rockfire. Great stick!
I just bought 1 for my modern win 10 system will it even work though?
It's a shame you couldn't have gotten a Gravis Xterminator Dual Control joystick for this review. 5 axis analog control, 9 buttons, 8 way POV hat.
I bought mine in 2001 for use in Win98 with Microsoft Flight Simulator 98, and it's still working fine more than 21 years later, in Windows 11.
Now that's a great piece of kit! I love how all these old peripherals take a licking and keep on ticking :D
The Top Gun joystick is not the one you want, it was cheaply made. If you want that stick go with the higher quality version, Thrustmaster Mark II. And you went through naming all of these sticks but you didn't mention the Thrustmaster FLCS? F16 replica with fully programmable buttons before that was a common thing, it's a fantastic stick. Props for mentioning the Wingman though, that was one hell of a stick.
+AOClaus I mentioned the sticks I managed to buy in the wild. The Top Gun was a fairly widely distributed stick in it's day. Nearly every stick on this last has a better equivalent (Blackhawk Digital, Wingman Extreme etc) but this is what I got. Thanks for commenting mate, hope you enjoyed the vid. x
+The Game Show I see, generally I can't find crap in stores usually, in the states through there are plenty of old Thrustmaster sticks on eBay including the FLCS. I did somehow manage to find myself a Thrustmaster cougar at a thrift store.
But the Top Gun is officially licensed from the movie. That's so cool.
Agreed on the TM sticks, also no CH Sticks or the Logitech Wingman Force?
Especially the latter one is a legend for it's ultra-strong FFB!
Love it when actual knowledgeable people respond to videos. Well done
I bought my Wingman Extreme at Costco the same day I got Star Wars Rebel Assault, my first CD-ROM drive, and my first Soundblaster card. That controller made all my friends so jealous who bought the trendy Thrustmasters. Mine was so much heavier and not nearly as cheaply made.
For retro gaming? The cyborg is my current stick. lol. I use it for DCS, FSX, ED, a load of games and sims.
For "the best" 90's Joystick would be the Thrustmaster HOTAS setup of the F-16 FLCS/F-22 Pro, F-16 TQS, and Elite peddals. The CH Products of the Combat Stick with their throttle and pedals were a slight step down, but nothing else got anywhere close...
I used to love the Sidewinder back in the day. Had a force feedback control pad too.
+tekstyles Actually I recently picked up a FF controller myself. It's USB, so I'm very interested to see if it will work on my Win98 PC.
+The Game Show I have both MS FFB sticks and the drivers are baked in Windows 98, please do a review on all the 90's FFB sticks.
If we see this video doing well, I will certainly follow up with focus on the joystick families. I own a 3D Pro and a Precision Pro - neither one of them works out of the box with Win98 though. The drivers are present as you say, but Windows 98 has a bug where it fails to detect Sidewinder products if the CPU features >100mhz Frontside Bus. It's a known error, which Microsoft even acknowledged in the day, but never patched. There are enthusiast-made patches, which I can confirm work. The fact remains, it's not an out-of-the-box install for many users.
I never had that problem with my ffb pro, I used an Compaq evo d 500 as my retro pc, it had a p4 and 133mhz ram. I did install the sidewinder software for profile support. No longer have the computer but still have the stick.
Yeah it's a kinda shitty problem - some people get it, others don't. The FFB series came slightly later, so may well work better with the newer raft of Intel CPUs. Included software may have helped too. The most fun part about running a retro PC is the complete lack of information out there. The internet didn't really exist in 1998, so trying to find P2 build guides is a lot harder than trying to find one for a Z97 i7 build (for instance)! :-D
How could you forget the CH F-16 Combat stick?
CH Products still makes USB versions of the Flightstick Pro, 568 Combatstick and Fighterstick, they are quite costly though (especially if you are in Europe). They are all almost identical to their old gameport counterparts, from what I can see.
I would expect them to be comparable to their older models, but with a USB connection. Analogue input is not something you see much of these days. Shame they're expensive. Still, a cheap old gameport joystick and a rockfire adapter has seen me well for years now.
Yeah, the flightstick Pro in particular is very costly for what it offers nowadays (yeah, it's more solid/reliable than any other 4-button 1-hat stick but it's still just that apart from being ambidextrous). The combatstick is the one I ended up buying two years ago and it's the first joystick I ever had that has that many buttons and all on the handle, and at least on Amazon.it costed just ten Euros more than the Flightstick Pro (weird how the import price of the two is almost identical) but much less than the Fighterstick. It's a pity I didn't think of buying one earlier when my Saitek ST200 started giving me problems five years ago or so, they were much more affordable back then but I didn't even know they still existed, I remember seeing them in magazines in the 90s.
Growing up we had a Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro
Sidewinders were the coolest, man.
+The Game Show and they still can be if you can find there USB counterparts . I was able to find 2 Sidewinder joysticks for like 2.99 at a thrift shop , Microsoft also made the Sidewinder Steering wheel .
no quickshot skymaster? those things were everywhere
5:20 lmao
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Question about Logitech Wingman Extreme -- it appears it is only for right handed people. But around 2:29 the author is using it in his left hand. Is the video flipped or it was also available for left handed people?
Yeah you can see WINGMAN and EXTREME are flipped. Good spot!
I still have my Saitek.
+Tounushi Good show!
Great video! :D
+Kristoffer Trolle Thanks man. I think I'll follow this up with some gameplay of Fury3, Descent and X-Wing Alliance :-)
nice! :D
the production value here. Just unreal.
+LowEndGamers Thanks guys! At least it only took me about eight weeks to make! :-D
Just stumbled across this while searching for something hahaha.
Someone wants a joystick! ;-)
Just found a 2000 in my garage and I’m going to try it on Microsoft flight sim in collaboration with virtual reality, let’s see....
Wait... the Thrustmaster gets a minus for only having three buttons, a trigger and a POV... but the Cyborg gets a plus for having three buttons, a trigger and a POV?
Also, CH Flightstick or CH Combatstick beats them all.
Mate it's just a bit of a laugh don't worry about it
I went from a new X52 to a new in box cyborg 2000 in 2020 and haven't looked back.
Cyborg 2000 love all these years later makes my heart smile
Shame you picked CH's absolute worst stick to evaluate their product line. The Flightstick Pro is a legend, really good stick.
These were just sticks that I got hold of in fairness. I wasn't even going to review the CH but I picked it up last minute for a bargain.
So cool.
top gun stick is not an f14 stick but an f4/f5 stick
Funny thing is that I just bought a NIB Gravis Blackhawk, with a 1999 price tag still on it, last week. Someone stole mine years ago, but I've tried several joysticks and that one always worked best for me, even it was butt-ugly. Now I'm waiting for the necessary adapter so I can use it on USB.
I think I mention in the video, people still swear by this ugly little bugger. And good on them! It's really a nice stick to use.
I would say, those "Wingman" series of Logitech were really really good products. The best one is the "Wingman Force"; it looks awsome, it is huge, comfortable, robust, and undestructable.
And I agree with the final statement of this review: Wingman and Cyborg are the best "common", retro sticks.
I have a saitek cyborg 2000, i love it, i just wish it would work on my modern pcs :/
+spongeyperson1000 My friend this is your lucky day. The Cyborg 2000 works *perfectly* with the Rockfire Gameport to USB Adapter. Stick it in "Mode 2" and you're away mate. www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Game-Port-Adapter-RockFire/dp/B004FERC1W
Looks like thats out of stock :/
I bought mine fairly recently. A quick search on Amazon for "Rockfire USB adapter" should see you right.
I have a Cyborg Graphite which appears to be identical, maybe it was the US version? I'm not sure. It works perfectly on windows 10 for me. Plug and play, no special drivers. It is usb.
I'll bet they're identical.
Should have thrown in the Logitech WingMan Interceptor. Im trying to figure out how to hook it up to my computer now but cant seem to get my computer to detect it. I bought an adapter to convert it to usb but doesnt show up in computer
flight stick pro i was missing :)
I tell you what, if you buy one for me I'll review it.
Still got my saitek st200 here.
Good on you! I was playing with my Cyborg over the weekend. Great joystick!
Yeah it's awesome, I've had it since my first windows me/xp desktop.
Yeah it's awesome, I've had it since my first windows me/xp desktop.
Should have gone with the Blackhawk Digital...
+cloner8o Could have gone with the Wingman Extreme Digital too, or the Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro. There's always a bigger fish, but I had to draw the line somewhere. Thanks for dropping by, I hope you liked the vid. x
i found a Nintendo n64ish looking joystick do you know anything about it. D you know how to get it to work like how to find drivers for.
That's a hard question. Is it a gameport joystick? If it is, it may well work with an adapter.
Check out lgr he does a review of that stick.
That Gravis isn't really a Gravis anymore is it? I mean, look at the Gravis Thunderbird series. Those had the ergonomics and funtionality long before these other units started thinking beyond the basic Quickshot paradigm.
The Top Gun is an entry level joystick, flight system sticks were better quality.
There are also better CH Sticks to look at.
MS-DOS support is also worth looking into for gamers interested in retro PC Gaming. Some sticks won't work in dos at all.
I like the video overall.
Hello, I have a question, is there a joystick similar to Panther XL on the market?
the one with built-in trackball, USB etc?
I wanted to play some FPS games using the joystick instead of the keyboard :)
I have already played
joystick + mouse, if not for the height of the joystick, it would be very comfortable to play.
I'd love to know. I've had the Panther XL on my wants list for years now. If there was a modern equivalent, I'd buy it immediately.
BTW... Where did you get that brand new, boxed, unopened "TM Top Gun" stick? :O
Who did your hand modeling work?
+Ben Rafferty The same bloke who shot and edited the video. Looks, brains; he's got it all. x
I just find one , what i do now?
Play Wing Commander!
very nice video... can I use those joystick with atari 2600
,playstations 2 and 3 emulators on PC? thanx ...also what about PC shooter games?
Thanks. Yep, you can use a Rockfire adapter (check out my "How to get a joystick working on Windows 10" video) to get these working with a modern PC. If you've got an older PC with emulators on, a joystick is a standard input device so should work with anything. Joysticks were the norm in the early 90s; people did regularly play Quake etc on a joystick...
thanx for the reply... I have to choose between either
Logitech Extreme 3D Pro ,or Trust GXT 555(both have usb) ... I use windows 7 and windows xp as well... which one should I use to emulate atari stella ,playstations 2 and 3 on windows 7 or xp?
Hi, win10 used to recognized my old Sidewinder Joystick, but I dunno why, not now, any link for the proper driver that used to be in win 10 included? thanks in advance
It should just be recognised as a generic joystick, no driver needed. Is it showing up in joy.cpl?
Did any of these come with the shareware version of DOOM back in the 90's?
How do these joysticks fare on new games?? I'm especially looking at the ch flighstick pro.
The Flightstick Pro is a beaut. I actually made a video about getting these working under new Windows - ruclips.net/video/oad4t6TI4uM-/видео.html Depending on the game, they work brilliantly.
No FFB sticks? :(
how did u install the sidewinder? i have an old sidewinder pro (wich is quiet similar to the 3d pro) but i can't seem to get it working. any tips?
Is this on an old retro machine? I got mine working on Win98 by using a custom set of drivers made by Akula65 over on the (excellent) VOGONS forums - www.vogons.org/viewtopic.php?t=17941. Depending on your system specs, you might have more luck with these updated drivers instead - www.vogonsdrivers.com/getfile.php?fileid=881
The cable management looks too clean for a PC in ‘98. Nice job though.
Haha, absolutely. Cable management just was not a thing! I used to have a video about improving cable management in old PCs. I don't think it's up any more, but yeah that was a challenge!
Thank god PS2 thumbsticks made these things obsolete. Talk about a monstrosity. It was impossible to play with them.
Joystick Army Never Die
Why do you use a West Midlands cattle show ribbon?
... because it's funny?
I vote for the Gravis Xterminator. NOT the dual control...the hand held controller.
In my opinion, NO other controller comes close.
I wish that I could find someone that could make it work with a USB input (sigh).
Tomb raider with a joystick, is that not quite difficult?
Tomb Raider had the crappiest controls, so I don't think anything could make it worse!
But as OG tomb raider used directional keys rather than a rotating camera, it would be like-for-like with a joystick, no? Happy to be wrong, but I think a joystick would be the same or better.
The whole 90s "we don't need controllers, joysticks are just as good" thing was a bit of a train wreck. I played driving games with a joystick. I tried it again this year and can't believe I even managed it. Awful.
In answer to your question I think it would be very difficult! I do believe Lara did support analogue movement once she was up and running but you know it's been a few years.
I have the Saitek one! But no gameports on my computer though :(
Check out my comments below about the Rockfire. You can still use this stick on modern PCs. www.amazon.co.uk/USB-Game-Port-Adapter-RockFire/dp/B004FERC1W
+The Game Show i will! i have a rockfire adapter that does the job but its for old playstation 1 and 2 controllers. if they make gameport adapters im already sold.
The do, think Mode 2 works perfectly with the Cyborg.
They* do.
I just found my Saitek Cyborg 2000 and Logitech Wingman EXTEREME (DIGITAL 3D) packed away after years of being all like "WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED TO THEM!?" and fuck me do I wanna use them BOTH to play Mechwarrior 5 (Like I used to play Mechwarrior 4) but FUCK ME GENTLE is it ever hard to get fucking gameport joysticks to work with modern PCs! FUCK!
Mate, I have a video about this very subject! You can easily get Gameport joysticks working on modern PCs with a cheap and readily available analogue convertor :-D ruclips.net/video/oad4t6TI4uM/видео.html
After countless hours of use, my CH Flightstick Pro still looks and feels like it's brand new after 30 years.... which makes it quite puzzling that the same company somehow produced *that* abomination. 🤔
CH made some fantastic devices, and some poor decisions 😆
Has anyone gotten the Logitech Wingman series to work on Windows 7?
I've got a Wingman Extreme working with Windows 10. It stands to reason it would work with 7..?
Wingman Extreme Digital 3D works 100%, but it can't replace a gamepad, not enough buttons
USB to Game Port Adapter by RockFire, will this work with the old MS Wingman Force Feedback, does anyone know?
The MS Force Feedback sticks came with their own GamePort to USB adapters (the later iterations anyway, like the FF Pro). The problem with these sticks is that MS didn't future-proof them, so they start to act up when interacting with newer CPUs.
i have a microsoft side winder 3d pro but how can i download drivers and...where?
Win98 had the drivers present by default. Check legacy sites like driverguide.com or cnet.com. I'm sure you'll find them. x
Also, can someone tell me what connection (port) the Saitek Cyborg uses??
EDIT: ok so it uses the 'gameport' connection. Shame, Im guessing my modern PC doesnt have that?
+Therobwil your modern PC is not going to have game port. BUT you can get the Cyborg (or any other old stick) working with a Rockfire USB adapter. Check out our recent videos for a guide I put together recently! :)
OK, thanks a lot boss!
i have a joystick witch is a saitek cyborg 3d digital.
only reason i don't use it is cause none of my diviese has a outlet compatible and i serched for an adapter but i can't find any.
it seems like a vga but is about twice as wide and i would like to find an adapter for it if you know the specifics of that socket type let me know.
i think the joystick i have might have been used in a flight simulator.
if you are wondering it looks exzactly like the saitek cyborg 2000.
but has the f 1-4 keys plus some left and right buttons i think.
im willing to sell it to whoever will take it for a reasonable price.
"Twice as wide as VGA" sounds like Gameport. I looked up your stick, it is Gameport. On this channel I've reviewed the Rockfire Gameport to USB adapter, which the analogue Cyborg works perfectly with :-D
MATE ! I usually pay people more if they go out of there way to ship things for you and it cost them more then they get ! You know .. " Consideration " ! ?
you mean pay someone pity money because they didnt get what they wanted? thats the point of ebay mate dont be a mug
+No One lol check out Comrade Stalin over here. If you want a certain amount of money, put it as a buy it now. Otherwise, you fulfil the contract.
but seriously, nice video.
tekstyles not get it ? this person paid more to sell something, a good comrade would acknowledge that and pay the person so there not getting short handed !
people go out of there way and you dont return the favor ! Nice
2:50-2:56 I am incredibly uncomfortable
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Would anyone know where I can get the drivers for the Gravis Blackhawk?
+ProfSmith I don't know if the Gravis Xperience CD has the Blackhawk drivers, but you can check it out here: archive.org/details/cdrom-gravisxperience. You can try this link too, but I'm pretty certain this is only for the Blackhawk Digital - www.driverguide.com/driver/detail.php?driverid=137316
Blackhawk shouldn't need drivers, right? It's just a 4 button flight stick with throttle control.
Anyone has the driver to Saitek Cyborg 2000 for MS-DOS or Windows 95/98?
I have the Windows 95 driver CD for the Cyborg 2000. You can find it online though.
What is driver name? My joystick is Cyborg 2000 model: J18.
i soud call CH Gamestick a Dilido-stick
But I have Windows 10
Microsoft stopped support for this family quite some time ago. Your best best is to get a Rockfire USB adapter. I hear good things about these things. It should hopefully recognise and install the stick, but you *may* lose the six-axis features.
No Microsoft Force Feedback 2 joystick? Shame!
Gets a brand new joystick. Proceeds to complain about how its stuff and costs more than other more spongey well worn second hand sticks...
Ueah. Alright mate.
This video was made seven years ago, and was made for my enjoyment. I had fun. It would have been nice if you could have embraced that.
@@MattyStoked omg sorry my man that comment wasn't meant to hurt... just made me laugh. I watched all of it today and it was really good info!! I'm trying to find the right joystick for the wing commander series including privateer. Have any recommendations??
Ugh. This list sucks. Personally I wouldn't buy a CH anything if you threw it in my hands and paid me to get it out of your sight. Ugly, overpriced, clunky junk. I had the Saitek Cyborg. Another piece of junk that went back to best buy after a week. As for the Microsoft stuff, it was also overpriced. Still have my Logitech Wingman Attack, the gameport version. At the time, all I wanted was throttle control for F22ADF and a couple others. Unfortunately the Windows joystick setup blows... the center always jiggles. I ended up with a couple of games that relied on that crap. Couldn't fly for beans because I couldn't even trim out the centering error.
Anyways, back to topic... Seriously, no mention of the Suncom F-15E series? Or the Thrustmaster HOTAS? How's about the Saitek X36 (before USB and before Mad Catz took them over)? I had the X36... didn't really use it much because it took up so much space on a small desk and we didn't have a decent PC at the time.
I'm very sorry I didn't mention the joysticks that you like