It's a small detail but I like how the ring of the shell after hitting it carries on as the next cut and commentary continued. I really enjoy all of your videos on repair and modification. The organization of your shop is very satisfying as well 👌
Nice work on that patina! As soon as I saw the snare wires go on I had instant nostalgia from the tape snare straps. My first snare drum (still got it!) was a Tama Artstar from the '80s and it had that same tape. Fun stuff! -Ben
Glad to hear you say you like the look of old crusty drums, because my drum set is one I found in the literal trash and was covered in rust. Took it home sanded and grinned the rust away and tbh it looks cool to me too, very diy crust punk cool but still
You did a great job with this drum! I never play brass because it rings forever so this would never be for me but it definitely has an audience! Thank you for sharing.
Sad But True! After all, it was Lars Ulrich that made this drum famous on the Black Album, NOT Dave Grohl. After everyone heard the snare sound on that album, everyone was asking what did he use to record? The Drum Doctor still owns the drum to this day!
LOVE how this looks and sounds. Big props to HHG to putting this together and to you for nailing that patina. Incredible! Is this a 3 or 5 mm shell? I don't think I heard you mention that spec in the video!
3mm. I doubled checked the measurement when I had it apart but forgot to say it in the vid lol. Also from what ive been told, all the Tama BBs were 3mm and the catalogs that say 5mm were typos. Idk how true that is though...
Some cool things you can do is mask off stripes or patterns, so the unmasked brass gets patina, but you pull the tape off and have fresh brass to contrast with the patina. You can also do it in multiple steps, adding and removing tape every so often during the patina process so you can get different levels of patina in the design and really get a lot of depth and layering. Hell, you can even mask up most of it if you want the patina to be the accept instead of the primary finish too, lots of ways you can get creative with this. Damn, gonna have to find me a brass shell now... Might be cool to take the inside of this shell back down to fresh base material(masking off the lettering to keep that) and polish it up so you have that 'yin/yang' of this old, used looking, patina'd outside, but reveal a nice bright shell inside. That's a lot of extra work just for a little bit of a quirk though lol. Definitely needs a bit less muffling, has a great pop that's just being subdued a bit too much by that head, minor fix though; killer snare!
I own a Tama Imperial Star King Beat, w/ KG Parallel Strainer, 6.5" x 14" , Chrome, It came with Remo Ambassador heads. S/N: 125517, purchased in 1978.
I don’t know if it was just really good mixing in your video but I thought the P4 sounded awesome. It was nice and fat and definitely gave me that early Nirvana vibe. Well done! I’m off to go scour the internet for a brass shell now.
All his mic's can make the "worst drums" sound good. They cost thousands & thousands of dollars. One day I'd like to hear him do comparisons with an average drummers mic budget, so you really hear what most of us in the real world would.
@@hippydippy The most expensive mic's in the world are not gonna make a shitty drum sound good, they will only capture the shittyness better. As long as your mic is decent, i'd say tuning, mic placement, the players touch and post processing are all more important for a good sounding drum recording.
That sounds incredible, like seriously.. holy shit, so much pop but it doesn't bottom out and sound too compressed, I see why people want them so bad 😂
That sounds awesome! Even though I'm an aluminum guy, a brass shell is a brass shell, and you always get nice body and depth with them. Some sources say that the 80s original BB shell was just a very small bit over 14" in diameter, which most likely made all the difference in becoming the legendary drum it is..
I keep collecting drums because of David. There is a Tama Japanese Imperialstar set close to me I want to pick up for a good price that is the same finish in the video. It comes with an Acrolite snare as a bonus.
Helpful tip for remo powerstroke 4's. Cut the inlay ring out. I use one on a gretsch limited edition 14x7 aluminum. What you end up with is a remo emperor coated with a clear top dot. Awesome head for thicker shell snares.
I would agree that the P4 is a bit too muffled. I believe your go to head is a CS? If you’re looking for something slightly muffled I would say to check out the P3 with a clear dot. That one is my go to head
Awesome vid.....the brownish patina is the signature of the raw Tama 1980 Bell Brass with the short lugs, 1981 to 1986 TBBs with the long lugs were lacquered at factory....is your shell a Duluth or a Guven ?...13.9375'' (13'' 15/16) oversized diameter is everything...
guitar drum hack...use lighter fluid (naptha) to clean up grease and gunk on your drums and hardware (just make sure not to use it on bare wood)...A guitar tech showed me this trick and it works amazingly well. Naptha has a high flash point so it evaporates very quickly. I guess it is a super refined petroleum product like jet fuel and it's cheap.
Beautiful drum! I too have a Bell Brass Mastercraft clone (mine made by Cade at Savage Drums). Will likely do a video on mine soon, though Cade built the entire thing with the donor hardware (mine too was sourced from a. steel Mastercraft, though mine has coffin lugs), so the only thing I did myself was put an era-correct Superstar badge on it (don't worry though, like you I don't want anyone to think it is original, so I had Cade put his 'Savage' badge on the interior of the shell like you did your lettering -- good man!) BTW, I use typical straps for my snare wires... what tape did you get for yours? I'd love to do that with all my Tama snares (I have several Mastercrafts and a few others as well). GREAT VIDEO!!!
6:50 Is that really the same tape that Tama used on their vintage snares? If so, where did you get it? Or was it something that was just layin’ around?
Yo David! Quick question!! I hate the plastic snare straps but can’t find any of the cloth ones around where I am. What can I diy for snare straps? Besides drum heads?
Pain in the Booty experimenting different shell hacks for yourself to make it look and sound better. I get your perspective, and I’m glad you fixed it! I find this video very helpful! Again I’m afraid to try it for myself cause it’s just not necessary and I don’t want to ruin my DW black nickel over brass Designs Series. Just wanna thank you! Sounds incredible! Awsome. ❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Apparently what was so special with the original compared to all the replicas was that the shell was slightly oversized. You really had to jam the head on there but it also meant it was more like a 14.1"
Well, there is always the question - with that head choice do you enhance or do you completely erase natural characteristics of bell brass shell? Now to me it sounds like aluminium
Cool drum, but it appears your shell is brass instead of bronze. Correct me if I’m wrong. Tama bell brass drums were always made of sand-cast bronze. Those Savage drums you displayed were also cast bronze. Very different sound
Being from NZ, Odie's is a brand I'd not been at all familiar with - until it popped up in a video on another channel only a couple of days ago, and here it is again now! 😆
So I have the DW version collector series nickel over brass snare, and I cannot for the life of me. Find a good heads for does anybody have any suggestions? It’s 14x6.5
I've been a "Ludwig Guy" for what seems like an eternity...... but I have nothing bad to say about the Tama gear. I fixed up a Tama kit for Church, and I play it often... does a great job. I THINK these bell brass snares were associated with Lars from Metallica also.
Break cleaner, thats when u know the person truly knows about material cleaning prep. Congrats man on the "fake snare drum", i would try the same thing if i wasnt an absolute failure that cant afford even a single hardware nug m. And great video!
The problem here with your "copy" is that the Bell Brass is not made out of Brass... the shell is made of sand cast BRONZE. (Japanese translated wrong in the 70's). Greetings from Argentina my friend, I love you content
I'd love to see a comparison of brass free floating snares vs brass standard snares... or even just free floaters vs normal... surely you have enough snares to do this test?😅
Hi is there a way to use a android tablet as a drum module? I am making an electronic kit, and I am trying to save money! P.S. I currently don't have a drum module.
Absolutely cool! I have a faked Sonor SQ2 with Purple Heart shell (befassen Sonor dont offer one) which is as good as the original Snares. Payed maybe 400€.
Whats the first song you would play on this beast? 🤔
For whom the bell tolls
Enter Sandman.... after I learn the song, lol
Rich men north of Richmond
how do i purchase this from you and whats your asking price good sir. i beg of thee.
Probably Second Death by Black Tongue
You should make a snare where the whole bottom is covered in snare wires.
Replying to boost this comment bc it’s hilarious
Replying to boost this comment bc it’s hilarious
yes.
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It's a small detail but I like how the ring of the shell after hitting it carries on as the next cut and commentary continued. I really enjoy all of your videos on repair and modification. The organization of your shop is very satisfying as well 👌
This “custom” snare is now one of my favorites! Well done bud 🤙
Elvin played one……
"Didn't have time to put it together"
takes it apart and puts it back together*
I think he meant drill the holes
Nice work on that patina! As soon as I saw the snare wires go on I had instant nostalgia from the tape snare straps. My first snare drum (still got it!) was a Tama Artstar from the '80s and it had that same tape. Fun stuff! -Ben
You are real drum cientist. One of my favorite channels on youtube, so many great ideas.
Glad to hear you say you like the look of old crusty drums, because my drum set is one I found in the literal trash and was covered in rust. Took it home sanded and grinned the rust away and tbh it looks cool to me too, very diy crust punk cool but still
I just watched this video again and that snare drum ended up beautiful, and it sounds atomic! Well done.
The tone matched the song perfect!…and oh those cymbals! ❤
You did a great job with this drum! I never play brass because it rings forever so this would never be for me but it definitely has an audience! Thank you for sharing.
Good on you for the disclaimer label. I'd for sure be the one to get duped. Looks sick too
Sad But True! After all, it was Lars Ulrich that made this drum famous on the Black Album, NOT Dave Grohl. After everyone heard the snare sound on that album, everyone was asking what did he use to record? The Drum Doctor still owns the drum to this day!
sounds awesome !!!! It doesn't feel at all worse than the original.
If you have the option with your plotter, you can adjust the offset of your blade and it might sharpen up the corners of the letters a little more.
LOVE how this looks and sounds. Big props to HHG to putting this together and to you for nailing that patina. Incredible! Is this a 3 or 5 mm shell? I don't think I heard you mention that spec in the video!
3mm. I doubled checked the measurement when I had it apart but forgot to say it in the vid lol. Also from what ive been told, all the Tama BBs were 3mm and the catalogs that say 5mm were typos. Idk how true that is though...
@@rdavidr I saw that in the catalog, but I thought they were all 3 mm too. Too funny. hahaha
Some cool things you can do is mask off stripes or patterns, so the unmasked brass gets patina, but you pull the tape off and have fresh brass to contrast with the patina. You can also do it in multiple steps, adding and removing tape every so often during the patina process so you can get different levels of patina in the design and really get a lot of depth and layering. Hell, you can even mask up most of it if you want the patina to be the accept instead of the primary finish too, lots of ways you can get creative with this.
Damn, gonna have to find me a brass shell now...
Might be cool to take the inside of this shell back down to fresh base material(masking off the lettering to keep that) and polish it up so you have that 'yin/yang' of this old, used looking, patina'd outside, but reveal a nice bright shell inside. That's a lot of extra work just for a little bit of a quirk though lol. Definitely needs a bit less muffling, has a great pop that's just being subdued a bit too much by that head, minor fix though; killer snare!
This is great! Definately not what I was expecting of the bell brass, but a pleaseant surprise (:
I own a Tama Imperial Star King Beat, w/ KG Parallel Strainer, 6.5" x 14" , Chrome, It came with Remo Ambassador heads. S/N: 125517, purchased in 1978.
Remo CS dot heads are pretty good. I was gonna say you could try scorching the shell to see if would look like the lars ulrich model. Cool video!
If I ever become a famous drummer I would hire this guy in a heartbeat as my drum tech!!!!
I don’t know if it was just really good mixing in your video but I thought the P4 sounded awesome. It was nice and fat and definitely gave me that early Nirvana vibe. Well done! I’m off to go scour the internet for a brass shell now.
All his mic's can make the "worst drums" sound good. They cost thousands & thousands of dollars. One day I'd like to hear him do comparisons with an average drummers mic budget, so you really hear what most of us in the real world would.
@@hippydippy The most expensive mic's in the world are not gonna make a shitty drum sound good, they will only capture the shittyness better. As long as your mic is decent, i'd say tuning, mic placement, the players touch and post processing are all more important for a good sounding drum recording.
That sounds incredible, like seriously.. holy shit, so much pop but it doesn't bottom out and sound too compressed, I see why people want them so bad 😂
Bro!!!
That sounds amazing
Great job
Dude that drum sounds amazing!! I am a total sucker for brass snares!
I’ve recorded with the famous one the drum doctor has in LA. Also used the Sonor bronze snare too he has. Sound amazing.
That sounds awesome! Even though I'm an aluminum guy, a brass shell is a brass shell, and you always get nice body and depth with them.
Some sources say that the 80s original BB shell was just a very small bit over 14" in diameter, which most likely made all the difference in becoming the legendary drum it is..
I keep collecting drums because of David. There is a Tama Japanese Imperialstar set close to me I want to pick up for a good price that is the same finish in the video. It comes with an Acrolite snare as a bonus.
Helpful tip for remo powerstroke 4's. Cut the inlay ring out. I use one on a gretsch limited edition 14x7 aluminum. What you end up with is a remo emperor coated with a clear top dot. Awesome head for thicker shell snares.
Where did you get the shell? I don’t care about matching the lugs or throw off, but I would like a shell like that.
fav snare sound you've gotten on the channel
I love that snare, both the look and the sounds. YES.
I gave you a Ps3 on that Superstar, I don’t think I’ve ever used a P4!
Glad to see you play that drum so much.
im an idiot, idk why I thought it was a p4 😑
The sound of that snare ❤️
The patina looked way better than I expected! Would love to hear this with Ambassadors
I would agree that the P4 is a bit too muffled. I believe your go to head is a CS? If you’re looking for something slightly muffled I would say to check out the P3 with a clear dot. That one is my go to head
It's always a good day when Rdavidr uploads a vid :)
Awesome vid.....the brownish patina is the signature of the raw Tama 1980 Bell Brass with the short lugs, 1981 to 1986 TBBs with the long lugs were lacquered at factory....is your shell a Duluth or a Guven ?...13.9375'' (13'' 15/16) oversized diameter is everything...
Phat snare sound, great mixing and love your feel on dem drums, you mad talented dude, you. 🤷🏻♂️🥁
That turned out way better than I thought it would. Good call with the ammonia!
Have you ever tried that "patina" process with a copper shell? How do you think it would react to the ammonia?
guitar drum hack...use lighter fluid (naptha) to clean up grease and gunk on your drums and hardware (just make sure not to use it on bare wood)...A guitar tech showed me this trick and it works amazingly well. Naptha has a high flash point so it evaporates very quickly. I guess it is a super refined petroleum product like jet fuel and it's cheap.
I think the big difference is the first 'Bell Brass' Tamas were actually bronze, which patinas very differently to brass.
Sounds really nice. Tight and thick with a drop of brightness topping it off.
hel yeah dave this is probably one of your best soundings snares yet! Also great head choice.
Sounds amazing!
That thing looks and sounds amazing!!!! You nailed it!!!
Beautiful drum! I too have a Bell Brass Mastercraft clone (mine made by Cade at Savage Drums). Will likely do a video on mine soon, though Cade built the entire thing with the donor hardware (mine too was sourced from a. steel Mastercraft, though mine has coffin lugs), so the only thing I did myself was put an era-correct Superstar badge on it (don't worry though, like you I don't want anyone to think it is original, so I had Cade put his 'Savage' badge on the interior of the shell like you did your lettering -- good man!) BTW, I use typical straps for my snare wires... what tape did you get for yours? I'd love to do that with all my Tama snares (I have several Mastercrafts and a few others as well). GREAT VIDEO!!!
Where did the shell come from? @rdavidr
No no _no_ *NO!1* You need to play this snare with the *Sonor* kit of course!
Love from Germany!
The entire kit sounds amazing.
6:50 Is that really the same tape that Tama used on their vintage snares? If so, where did you get it? Or was it something that was just layin’ around?
Same style I guess technically. It’s called fiber tape or something like that
Looks and sounds fantastic. Well done!
Yo David! Quick question!! I hate the plastic snare straps but can’t find any of the cloth ones around where I am. What can I diy for snare straps? Besides drum heads?
Cloth ribbon from a fabric store.
Great sound and a really cool looking drum in the end!!!
Pain in the Booty experimenting different shell hacks for yourself to make it look and sound better. I get your perspective, and I’m glad you fixed it! I find this video very helpful! Again I’m afraid to try it for myself cause it’s just not necessary and I don’t want to ruin my DW black nickel over brass Designs Series. Just wanna thank you! Sounds incredible! Awsome. ❤❤❤❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉
Curious question that im sure can be answered by someone, what is the drumset hes playing in this? Is it a set of swingstars?
Apparently what was so special with the original compared to all the replicas was that the shell was slightly oversized. You really had to jam the head on there but it also meant it was more like a 14.1"
ive done this before! definitely changes the sound in the best way!!!
Ok, that ended up looking pretty sweet when it was done 🙂
need to hear this snare cranked and with a clear ambassador 😫
Well, there is always the question - with that head choice do you enhance or do you completely erase natural characteristics of bell brass shell?
Now to me it sounds like aluminium
Cool drum, but it appears your shell is brass instead of bronze. Correct me if I’m wrong. Tama bell brass drums were always made of sand-cast bronze. Those Savage drums you displayed were also cast bronze. Very different sound
You are correct sir, bell brass is bronze.
I’m pretty sure Sam at HHG makes his shells sand cast B20 bronze.
Holy heck that could be absolutely anything with that head combo on it
Where did you buy the shell?
Being from NZ, Odie's is a brand I'd not been at all familiar with - until it popped up in a video on another channel only a couple of days ago, and here it is again now! 😆
great vid as usual 👍, is that a duluth shell by any chance ?
So I have the DW version collector series nickel over brass snare, and I cannot for the life of me. Find a good heads for does anybody have any suggestions? It’s 14x6.5
The snare sounds great mic'ed up! How does it sound to the natural ear, in a room?
great build! I would love to hear it with a more open sound/head :)
I’d SO love to have a Tama Bell Brass snare! The first song I’d play is “When The Levee Breaks!”
I've been a "Ludwig Guy" for what seems like an eternity...... but I have nothing bad to say about the Tama gear. I fixed up a Tama kit for Church, and I play it often... does a great job. I THINK these bell brass snares were associated with Lars from Metallica also.
Where did you source the shell from?
The drum sounds amazing. Where is the shell from?
fun fact: the tama bell brass is actually made of a bronze-brass alloy (hence the name bell brass), not just brass
do you have a noble and cooley snare you can test?
This sounds and looks AMAZING!!!
Break cleaner, thats when u know the person truly knows about material cleaning prep. Congrats man on the "fake snare drum", i would try the same thing if i wasnt an absolute failure that cant afford even a single hardware nug m. And great video!
Oh it looks so good with the kit
6:54 I can not be the only one who heard RATM’s testify…
The problem here with your "copy" is that the Bell Brass is not made out of Brass... the shell is made of sand cast BRONZE. (Japanese translated wrong in the 70's). Greetings from Argentina my friend, I love you content
Correct
I'd love to see a comparison of brass free floating snares vs brass standard snares... or even just free floaters vs normal... surely you have enough snares to do this test?😅
SNARE SOUNDS INCREDIBLE!!!!
Love the sound!
Nice job..sounds great 👍🏼 That's a keeper.
When did you do felts !!!!
I missed what kind of brass shell was this originally?
Does anyone know what song he played along too?
That looks awesome and sounds amazing! Cool project!
One thing I’ve always wondered about… With really heavy snares, does the weight affect the reso heads pitch slightly when it’s on a stand?
No.
dude , that middle eastern sounding riff you had going on , sounded cool. And YES , the snare does too/
I’m going to keep asking. YOU SHOULD TRY AN SJC SNARE OR KIT. Please
Send him one then.
@@RustyKnorr I wish but I have no money.
Hey David, what type of wires are you using?
Hi is there a way to use a android tablet as a drum module? I am making an electronic kit, and I am trying to save money! P.S. I currently don't have a drum module.
Sounds and looks fantastic.
Man, i´ve seen this Kingbeat snares, they are ridiculous expensive.
Have Tama made any reissues of this series?
Sounds absolutely badass
What would happen if someone (you) was to hand-hammer some of those practice cymbals with all the holes in them?
Absolutely cool!
I have a faked Sonor SQ2 with Purple Heart shell (befassen Sonor dont offer one) which is as good as the original Snares. Payed maybe 400€.
Another great drum and video!