Everyone who has been into typology has mistyped themselves at least once. People who have channels are not less prone to this than others. Rust still has a lot of good info on his channel and I would still recommend him to people.
The issue isn't him changing his type, that's cool and all nothing wrong with that. It's the information he has been giving, how this whole time his correlation list was not his but something he and his friends used. And how arbitrary correlations and information is being passed as undeniable facts.
I don’t see it that way. To me, he’s just a person putting out his opinions and spreading awareness of certain systems, some of which are not well known. He never passed himself off as a system creator, psychology expert, or even an experienced typologist. He openly criticizes himself and admits that he sometimes has a bad take (he’s transparent). So it really is down to the individual observer to decide for themself whether or not his opinions are valid or his explanations are reasonable. It would be helpful to meet his inner circle of individuals that advise him or brainstorm these correlations to get a sense of where their head is at. He’s Human and he’s allowed to be wrong or change his opinions. Personally he does not meet the criteria to be seen as “someone who should know better”….people like Gulenko, Nardi, Jack , Timur , Tencer and others that have been prominent figures for years.
@PracticalSocionics I get where you are coming from and agree with just about most of it. But at the end of the day, content creators need to know they (you and I included) have a responsibility and must be aware of the impact and consequences of our actions. The fact is, people come to content creators to learn, and a lot of what the content creators say is taken as a credible source of information. When Jack says X person is Y type, many people will start to say the same thing. Sharing your opinion and raising awareness is fine, and all but responsibility is needed. An example of someone sharing their opinion without a care for the consequences or sense of responsibility is CSJ, who just says things for clout not caring at all about how what he says is stupid and makes people dumber. I am not saying Rusted is like CSJ but that if content creators are not responsible, careless they can quickly turn into a CSJ type of content creator. (BTW, check your email, I sent you something).
No matter how much SLEs are in the beta quadra or how much they seem to be stuck in an ideal, they want independence, as you said in comments below. In fact, SLEs try to destroy the existing system and create their own system. Here I can explain the beta quadra idealism in SLEs as follows: All systems are against what we want and must be destroyed. Because this is not a system we established(Its like us against them). This makes SLEs seem like very individuals. To give an example from movies, Tyler Durden in Fight Club is one of the best examples of this. He rebels against the existing system, but then try to destroys that system and establishes his own system. His rebellion, not listening to anyone, respecting only his own ideas and acting only with these ideas seems very individual(It because of Se+Ti, not Fi). However, trying to establish its own system in line with a purpose and dragging people along in pursuit of this purpose is literally 'Collectivism'
Agree. When rust himself admitted he was an SLE , I used to wonder why he seemed more sanguine, not into theory like almost rejecting it n just seemed very very fast on his choice of words esp with the vulgar words, and when Lilith confirms he’s good socially that kinda sums it all up he’s more likely an See. I’ve seen several SLE actors such as Arnold Schwarzenegger n esp in his role as Dutch in Predator that I think i relate to. I think I’m an SLE , still figuring that out. I love sports like BJJ , which in my free time I used to go train about 4 times a week, roll a lot , sometimes I get complains I used too much strength, that I need to chill down. Kinda poor in connecting with people, even my closed friends. Example: I didn’t know my friends or particularly upset until they told me or until they started crying, didn’t know my parents were unhappy until they started raising their voice at me n really giving a lecture. I just don’t know how my friend ( whom I think is an IEE) is so smooth n expressive can laugh so well n make people smile n laugh back so joyfully. It kinda makes me envious. I express myself well only with people who have the same interest as me, like in martial arts or gym. I love talking with people who really have the same interest as me. In social gatherings, I do small talks but it’s just so short n up to a certain point I don’t see the point of talking. Because I would prefer to act do work during the gathering , washing dishes, cleaning up coz it’s a lot more fun than just sitting down. Even if u give me labour work such as gardening, I would rather do that than play monopoly with a group of people. My friends described me as a robot in my schools and have plenty of “ energy”. I was academically competitive , but I used to perform only in major exams n only coz my parents pressured me , school exams was like nah coz I preferred spending time with sports. I really seeked that physical intensity. Was very competitive, But overall, at home I’m not that organised. I misplaced stuff sometimes n with a messy room. Last thing, i really felt relieved to know that rust is an see (finally knowing he’s good at social stuff n I’m not), it makes me feel relieved I’m most prob an sle. But it’s just my own opinion. But of coz I’m still wondering whether or not I’m really an sle or lse
Damn, everything about this was relatable, recentyl found out im a Self-preservation Enneagram eight through the big five testings, you should also check that out.
Okay, I am getting confused. Were the differences minute initially and later diverged significantly? Because apparently in Classical Socionics, fighting and physical aggression are considered Te. That's a pretty big difference. In the socionics I learned that would be considered Se right?
All Right/Process types have +Se, -Si, -Te, -Fe, + Ti, +Fi, + Ne, - Ni. All Left/Results types have opposite signs for each aspect. So in the Mental or Vital Ring: + Se means Ti precedes Se followed by Fi - Se means Fi precedes Se followed by Ti Why is this significant? Answer: Ti Preceding Se = pharmacist/doctor. Fi preceding Se = registered nurse. Meaning in the Mental and Vital Rings: Ti Preceding Se means Ti naturally processes finite sensory details. Which is why the vast majority of accountants are Right/Process types. Ti preceding Ne means Ti naturally bypasses finite sensory details. Don't expect Left/Results types to like processing paperwork that accounting would require. Similarly: Fi preceding Ne means that Fi in Right/Process types naturally latches on to Ne possibilities of how to grow the relationship on an inner intuitive level. Fi preceding Se in Left/Results types means their Fi naturally latches on to Se caretaking roles. And are more focused on +Fe positive emotions of people being cared for physically.
I’m honestly pretty polarized about two different types of socionics. I see both descriptions of my possible type and they both literally seem the same. But the whole correlations between enneagram + socionics is fairly accurate if u base it off the ego block
As other users pointed out in the past, they're not really THAT different but there is a clear difference in how types are viewed For example, ESE in western often viewed as a person who is not combative because they don't value Se so they're not conflict oriented in any way, in classic, that image is shattered as ESE is THE volatile and explosive Fe base (not the EIE) Another example is LSI in western that is made to be a stern, forceful and pushy enforcer of rules and laws which is different from classic, all of those things apply to LSE. I think perception of certain types is just a bit different from one to the other that's all
@@Just_Rusted 🤔 thanks for the response. This is really to think about when looking into it both western and classic especially in the clear differences in how types are viewed
Hey man can i ask you to make a comparison video between ILE and IEE? Im currently stuck on whether i am an IEE or ILE. I at first believed that im an IEE but as time goes on i seem to notice that i values Ti, but at the same time is still value Fi. It would be nice if you would make a video about that.
It’s no big deal insofar knowledge production and learning processes are never-ending. In this sense, Rust self-correcting is both useful for the community (opportunity for all to learn) and very noble of him for being willing to admit being wrong. It’s a big deal insofar it seems what caused the mistake was, once again, people focusing directly into the functions instead of starting by quadra values. Quadra values (which are easier to spot and isolate than individual functions) should make the SLE and SEE pretty distinguishable. In this sense, I’m not sure I would be basing my defense of Rust on insisting that it doesn’t matter because SLE and SEE both lead with Se-especially given how adamant you’ve been on defending the importance of quadra values. Doing so might look like you’re now backpedalling on your own claims just to defend Rust.
He mentioned Quadra values and he didn’t didn’t see himself fitting into Gamma. While I stand by using Quadra values, people don’t always agree with the Quadra’s. So people can always mistake them as well. Many SLE and SEE will agree that they seek independence and freedom to pursue their own goals. This may have something to do with dominant Se perhaps. But this makes it difficult to for some of these types to distinguish which Quadra their motives line up with
Yes, but when he mentioned quadra values what was most noticeable was how off the mark his understanding of quadra values was- as your examples show. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think quadra values are the solution to everything, nor the thing that should take precedence over everything else. But they should be a nifty tool to make the typing easier and more effective (as you or Solomon the Surmounter have mentioned multiple times) and in this case it didn’t work because quadra values were fundamentally misunderstood-which might mean revisiting them could be a good idea
Here are some reasons to consider you being SEE: 1) You and Rust seem like the same type. 2) Your biggest hobbies and career require more Se/Si than Ni/Ne. 3) You seem to move toward a more direct and masculine EIE Benefactor than an indirect and more feminine like IEE Benefactor. Example: Bill Gates is a likely LIE that becomes bubbly like an IEE in interviews. You do not. 4) Left/Results types have + Fe because they disperse positive emotions in the physical environment. Whereas Right/Process types have - Fe because they distance their emotions from the physical environment. I see you as possibly the latter. 5) In your Model G Creative Self Realization Block, where we behave like our Supervisee, you seem more stoic, like an EII Supervisee, as opposed to a more expressive IEI Supervisee. 6) In your Social Adaptation (Superego) block, you seem more like an ILE willing to debate your case than an ESE willing to fall on your sword of truth for the sake of harmony. Other possibility: SLE that has progressed towards your LIE Benefactor
Rusted Typology reminds me of Porcupine Jason. So you 2 being in the same Quadra would make sense. However, it would also make sense he is an SLE, and you are his LIE Benefactor.
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Everyone who has been into typology has mistyped themselves at least once. People who have channels are not less prone to this than others. Rust still has a lot of good info on his channel and I would still recommend him to people.
Well said
Rust not applying typological knowledge correctly so he put it down is so funny
What do you mean?
The issue isn't him changing his type, that's cool and all nothing wrong with that. It's the information he has been giving, how this whole time his correlation list was not his but something he and his friends used. And how arbitrary correlations and information is being passed as undeniable facts.
I don’t see it that way. To me, he’s just a person putting out his opinions and spreading awareness of certain systems, some of which are not well known. He never passed himself off as a system creator, psychology expert, or even an experienced typologist. He openly criticizes himself and admits that he sometimes has a bad take (he’s transparent). So it really is down to the individual observer to decide for themself whether or not his opinions are valid or his explanations are reasonable.
It would be helpful to meet his inner circle of individuals that advise him or brainstorm these correlations to get a sense of where their head is at.
He’s Human and he’s allowed to be wrong or change his opinions. Personally he does not meet the criteria to be seen as “someone who should know better”….people like Gulenko, Nardi, Jack , Timur , Tencer and others that have been prominent figures for years.
@PracticalSocionics I get where you are coming from and agree with just about most of it.
But at the end of the day, content creators need to know they (you and I included) have a responsibility and must be aware of the impact and consequences of our actions. The fact is, people come to content creators to learn, and a lot of what the content creators say is taken as a credible source of information. When Jack says X person is Y type, many people will start to say the same thing.
Sharing your opinion and raising awareness is fine, and all but responsibility is needed. An example of someone sharing their opinion without a care for the consequences or sense of responsibility is CSJ, who just says things for clout not caring at all about how what he says is stupid and makes people dumber.
I am not saying Rusted is like CSJ but that if content creators are not responsible, careless they can quickly turn into a CSJ type of content creator.
(BTW, check your email, I sent you something).
Link those resources
No matter how much SLEs are in the beta quadra or how much they seem to be stuck in an ideal, they want independence, as you said in comments below. In fact, SLEs try to destroy the existing system and create their own system. Here I can explain the beta quadra idealism in SLEs as follows: All systems are against what we want and must be destroyed. Because this is not a system we established(Its like us against them). This makes SLEs seem like very individuals. To give an example from movies, Tyler Durden in Fight Club is one of the best examples of this. He rebels against the existing system, but then try to destroys that system and establishes his own system. His rebellion, not listening to anyone, respecting only his own ideas and acting only with these ideas seems very individual(It because of Se+Ti, not Fi). However, trying to establish its own system in line with a purpose and dragging people along in pursuit of this purpose is literally 'Collectivism'
Well said.
Agree. When rust himself admitted he was an SLE , I used to wonder why he seemed more sanguine, not into theory like almost rejecting it n just seemed very very fast on his choice of words esp with the vulgar words, and when Lilith confirms he’s good socially that kinda sums it all up he’s more likely an See. I’ve seen several SLE actors such as Arnold Schwarzenegger n esp in his role as Dutch in Predator that I think i relate to. I think I’m an SLE , still figuring that out. I love sports like BJJ , which in my free time I used to go train about 4 times a week, roll a lot , sometimes I get complains I used too much strength, that I need to chill down. Kinda poor in connecting with people, even my closed friends. Example: I didn’t know my friends or particularly upset until they told me or until they started crying, didn’t know my parents were unhappy until they started raising their voice at me n really giving a lecture. I just don’t know how my friend ( whom I think is an IEE) is so smooth n expressive can laugh so well n make people smile n laugh back so joyfully. It kinda makes me envious. I express myself well only with people who have the same interest as me, like in martial arts or gym. I love talking with people who really have the same interest as me. In social gatherings, I do small talks but it’s just so short n up to a certain point I don’t see the point of talking. Because I would prefer to act do work during the gathering , washing dishes, cleaning up coz it’s a lot more fun than just sitting down. Even if u give me labour work such as gardening, I would rather do that than play monopoly with a group of people.
My friends described me as a robot in my schools and have plenty of “ energy”. I was academically competitive , but I used to perform only in major exams n only coz my parents pressured me , school exams was like nah coz I preferred spending time with sports. I really seeked that physical intensity. Was very competitive, But overall, at home I’m not that organised. I misplaced stuff sometimes n with a messy room.
Last thing, i really felt relieved to know that rust is an see (finally knowing he’s good at social stuff n I’m not), it makes me feel relieved I’m most prob an sle. But it’s just my own opinion. But of coz I’m still wondering whether or not I’m really an sle or lse
So you're my activator
Is there any social media that you're active on so we can have a conversation?
@@Moheroine instagram. Do you have email? We can exchange social media details there instead
Damn, everything about this was relatable, recentyl found out im a Self-preservation Enneagram eight through the big five testings, you should also check that out.
Okay, I am getting confused. Were the differences minute initially and later diverged significantly? Because apparently in Classical Socionics, fighting and physical aggression are considered Te. That's a pretty big difference. In the socionics I learned that would be considered Se right?
That makes sense as he's noticeably very different from DJ who is highly logical by comparison. Rust seems much more silly and chaotic.
Exactly
I quite enjoyed this video
All Right/Process types have +Se, -Si, -Te, -Fe, + Ti, +Fi, + Ne, - Ni.
All Left/Results types have opposite signs for each aspect.
So in the Mental or Vital Ring:
+ Se means Ti precedes Se followed by Fi
- Se means Fi precedes Se followed by Ti
Why is this significant?
Answer:
Ti Preceding Se = pharmacist/doctor.
Fi preceding Se = registered nurse.
Meaning in the Mental and Vital Rings:
Ti Preceding Se means Ti naturally processes finite sensory details. Which is why the vast majority of accountants are Right/Process types.
Ti preceding Ne means Ti naturally bypasses finite sensory details. Don't expect Left/Results types to like processing paperwork that accounting would require.
Similarly:
Fi preceding Ne means that Fi in Right/Process types naturally latches on to Ne possibilities of how to grow the relationship on an inner intuitive level.
Fi preceding Se in Left/Results types means their Fi naturally latches on to Se caretaking roles. And are more focused on +Fe positive emotions of people being cared for physically.
Good explanation, accurate and simple
I’m honestly pretty polarized about two different types of socionics. I see both descriptions of my possible type and they both literally seem the same. But the whole correlations between enneagram + socionics is fairly accurate if u base it off the ego block
As other users pointed out in the past, they're not really THAT different but there is a clear difference in how types are viewed
For example, ESE in western often viewed as a person who is not combative because they don't value Se so they're not conflict oriented in any way, in classic, that image is shattered as ESE is THE volatile and explosive Fe base (not the EIE)
Another example is LSI in western that is made to be a stern, forceful and pushy enforcer of rules and laws which is different from classic, all of those things apply to LSE. I think perception of certain types is just a bit different from one to the other that's all
@@Just_Rusted 🤔 thanks for the response. This is really to think about when looking into it both western and classic especially in the clear differences in how types are viewed
Hey man can i ask you to make a comparison video between ILE and IEE? Im currently stuck on whether i am an IEE or ILE. I at first believed that im an IEE but as time goes on i seem to notice that i values Ti, but at the same time is still value Fi. It would be nice if you would make a video about that.
I was the same and i figured out that i am IEE in Classic Socionics but ILE in Western socionics
@@kamixae263
But which one lines up with reality best?
Good shit.
Good to hear from you
Let’s collaborate on a video soon.
@@TrueGenerations sure. Be glad to have you back in the game.
It’s no big deal insofar knowledge production and learning processes are never-ending. In this sense, Rust self-correcting is both useful for the community (opportunity for all to learn) and very noble of him for being willing to admit being wrong.
It’s a big deal insofar it seems what caused the mistake was, once again, people focusing directly into the functions instead of starting by quadra values. Quadra values (which are easier to spot and isolate than individual functions) should make the SLE and SEE pretty distinguishable. In this sense, I’m not sure I would be basing my defense of Rust on insisting that it doesn’t matter because SLE and SEE both lead with Se-especially given how adamant you’ve been on defending the importance of quadra values. Doing so might look like you’re now backpedalling on your own claims just to defend Rust.
He mentioned Quadra values and he didn’t didn’t see himself fitting into Gamma. While I stand by using Quadra values, people don’t always agree with the Quadra’s. So people can always mistake them as well.
Many SLE and SEE will agree that they seek independence and freedom to pursue their own goals. This may have something to do with dominant Se perhaps. But this makes it difficult to for some of these types to distinguish which Quadra their motives line up with
Yes, but when he mentioned quadra values what was most noticeable was how off the mark his understanding of quadra values was- as your examples show. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think quadra values are the solution to everything, nor the thing that should take precedence over everything else. But they should be a nifty tool to make the typing easier and more effective (as you or Solomon the Surmounter have mentioned multiple times) and in this case it didn’t work because quadra values were fundamentally misunderstood-which might mean revisiting them could be a good idea
Its very significant (not him changing his type), I will be posting a reaction to the whole thing tomorrow
You and Rust come across as the same type. IF he is SEE is it possible you are SEE also?
I’m open minded to the possibility that I’m any type. But “coning across” as rust isn’t much to go on.
Here are some reasons to consider you being SEE:
1) You and Rust seem like the same type.
2) Your biggest hobbies and career require more Se/Si than Ni/Ne.
3) You seem to move toward a more direct and masculine EIE Benefactor than an indirect and more feminine like IEE Benefactor.
Example: Bill Gates is a likely LIE that becomes bubbly like an IEE in interviews. You do not.
4) Left/Results types have + Fe because they disperse positive emotions in the physical environment. Whereas Right/Process types have - Fe because they distance their emotions from the physical environment. I see you as possibly the latter.
5) In your Model G Creative Self Realization Block, where we behave like our Supervisee, you seem more stoic, like an EII Supervisee, as opposed to a more expressive IEI Supervisee.
6) In your Social Adaptation (Superego) block, you seem more like an ILE willing to debate your case than an ESE willing to fall on your sword of truth for the sake of harmony.
Other possibility:
SLE that has progressed towards your LIE Benefactor
I'd like to know what he does for a living. If he pours concrete for a living he should stick with SLE.
He’s a private English tutor in Poland.
@@PracticalSocionicsSEE it is
Rusted Typology reminds me of Porcupine Jason.
So you 2 being in the same Quadra would make sense.
However, it would also make sense he is an SLE, and you are his LIE Benefactor.
You need more specifics. There’s a lot why we may “come across the same”.