You're doing "Cinematic" aspect ratios ALL WRONG!
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- Опубликовано: 10 май 2017
- While I understand the desire to make certain videos feel "more cinematic," just adding black bars overtop a normal video canvas is NOT the way to go about it. No no.
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Just a couple notes for those jumping in the comments:
This video is a year old.
This is clearly referring to RUclips uploads. If you're submitting to a client or posting elsewhere, do what you need to, of course. Web video is all about knowing your platform - IG/FB stories are best in vertical, feed videos are best in 1080x1350, and RUclips videos are best in widescreen with correct aspect ratios so everyone can enjoy them. Phones are commonly 2:1 aspect ratio now, so 16:9 with black bars is kind of sad to watch on there, too.
Yes, there are more "official" "cinematic aspect ratios. Use them if you want. No matter what, letterboxing does not automatically make your video "more cinematic" and many of us find it kind of funny that people think so. 2017's obsession with LUTs and preset packs and letterboxing and gimbals and all this other nonsense shows that a lot of people know how to jump on trendy bandwagons but not actually make good content.
8:5 (16x10), 4:3, 17:9 (DCI 4K) and 2:1 (18x9) all work with End Cards, and wider format support probably coming soon. Would MUCH rather have a video that isn't screwed up on my screens than have on-screen elements I'm not going to click and that 1-5% of viewers will ever see.
2:1 is a great middle ground of having a wider, more "cinematic" feel while still having end card support.
If you do the math, 21x9 is roughly 2.35:1.
If you want to view an example of why this matters, check this out. RUclips's new layout allows for great 21:9 viewing, even on a 16:9 screen IF you actually upload 21:9 instead of letterboxing.
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If they had letterboxed this to 16:9, the video would show with black bars on the top/bottom AND the left/right. Not cool.
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Just a couple notes for those jumping in the comments:
► ► FOLLOW-UP VIDEO!!! ruclips.net/video/5TEPRid0pUw/видео.html
This video is a year old.
This is clearly referring to RUclips uploads. If you're submitting to a client or posting elsewhere, do what you need to, of course. Web video is all about knowing your platform - IG/FB stories are best in vertical, feed videos are best in 1080x1350, and RUclips videos are best in widescreen with correct aspect ratios so everyone can enjoy them. Phones are commonly 2:1 aspect ratio now, so 16:9 with black bars is kind of sad to watch on there, too.
Yes, there are more "official" "cinematic aspect ratios. Use them if you want. No matter what, letterboxing does not automatically make your video "more cinematic" and many of us find it kind of funny that people think so. 2017's obsession with LUTs and preset packs and letterboxing and gimbals and all this other nonsense shows that a lot of people know how to jump on trendy bandwagons but not actually make good content.
8:5 (16x10), 4:3, 17:9 (DCI 4K) and 2:1 (18x9) all work with End Cards, and wider format support probably coming soon. Would MUCH rather have a video that isn't screwed up on my screens than have on-screen elements I'm not going to click and that 1-5% of viewers will ever see.
2:1 is a great middle ground of having a wider, more "cinematic" feel while still having end card support.
If you do the math, 21x9 is roughly 2.35:1.
If you want to view an example of why this matters, check this out. RUclips's new layout allows for great 21:9 viewing, even on a 16:9 screen IF you actually upload 21:9 instead of letterboxing. twitter.com/EposVox/status/860940713344856065
If they had letterboxed this to 16:9, the video would show with black bars on the top/bottom AND the left/right. Not cool.
Check out 21:9 Gaming to see it done RIGHT ruclips.net/channel/UC0sEn4T2Kl551QQe1miZg7g
Ooh, I have an 21:9 screen and too many videos are with those black bars and the video is sooo tiny - thank you for summoning attention on this :) finally some understands me. I really don't want to flee to vimeo, but it happens too often :)
Eyyy I thought I was going crazy cuz I heard something in there. Haywyre - I Am You
Respect for good music choices! Cheers mate.
Fun fact. Many movie (I mean BIG) productions do not use anamorphic. You'd be surprised how many are actually shot in other formats and cropped. Anamorphic produces its own set of challenges in post.
Also, if a film is really shot in anamorphic, the pixel aspect would be 2:1 instead of square.
Source: My job.
Not beat a dead horse, but really at no point do you make it clear that this is for RUclips only... at one point you do say:
"I can't stand that anyone does this, so I want the entire world to stop doing this"
You just may need to be a little more careful in your word choice.
The context of "The RUclips player adapts to the aspect ratio of the video" felt implied enough for me, examples being all youtube videos, etc., but fair enough I guess.
Given this was originally a video just for my subscribers last year and not something I expected to blow up to 80k views from randos all leaving the same comment, hadn't planned on needing to explain what felt obvious at the time.
While this may be a rant expressing my frustration and providing a way of doing things I think to be better/"right" - I do still expect people to think for themselves to some degree.
I have a 21:9 aspect ratio display and I can't explain how much it triggers me when people add letterboxing to their videos...
Owen Flaherty "I get triggered cause I cant fully utilize my monitor that mommy bought for me!" Cry me a fucking river
Owen Flaherty maybe when you quit being a gigantic bitch you'll stop complaining about such pointless things. Look at your pfp. If anyone is fucking around with anime, my money's on you.
TheBigboy453 it's not actually pointless, it's better to watch a video in your full screen rather than watching it with fake black bars, if you use an 21:9 monitor and watch a full screen video (in 16:9), there will be some black bars (kinda like in 4:3 resolutions) and with those fake black bars the video is even smaller.
Well, i mean, it IS dumb as fuck. Make a 21:9 video but render it with black bars making it 16:9 and _nobody_ will be able to fullscreen it.
@@owenflaherty7516 lmao imagine calling everyone who disagrees with you a kid
"They don't go into their Hollywood editing bays and pull out a PNG with black bars...." LMFAO I die.
Amar Mitra r.i.p
Having worked in said Hollyood editing bays, this is actually exactly what they do...
Ankur Agrawal wait? Which way?
YoungBlaze adding a png with black bars. They often do still shoot the full frame so they have wiggle room to reframe in the edit
which way would you do it?
The idea of Hollywood dropping black bars png's on their footage just cracks me up.
"Yes, Mr. Cameron, the intern has finished adding the black boxes to the Avatar edit."
"he did WHAT?!"
The idea of Hollywood thinking black bars make a film cinematic is even more hilarious.
Generally we turn on a Mask or use a Reformat layer in Avid to do the bars. We rarely use PNG masks.
@@jeffseidman exactly. I found it funny that we DO in fact work in a 16:9 timeline for offline, with a mask. 😂
But surely movies like "Scott Pilgrim vs. the World" and "Grand Budapest Hotel" would do this? If the entire film is rendered in let's say 16:9 for example, then the scenes where the movie stylistically cuts to 4:3 or 21:9 MUST be emulated with fake black bars right? Meaning that those movies must look like trash on certain monitors? Or am I missing something here? How would you transition between aspect ratios in a single movie without faking it? You couldn't render one scene in 16:9 and the next scene in 4:3 and have it be part of the same file surely? If so then how?
Finally someone that said that. Thank you
Siemanko
*I'm still waiting for RUclips to automatically detect these bars and cut the video...*
Same. Handbrake cuts it automatically and RUclips should do it too.
They promised to recognize vertical videos uploaded horizontally, so with two big black areas besides the vertical video in the middle of the 16:9 screen... But I don't know if they have already implemented that
Actually they are still officially suggesting letterboxes because 16:9 is the only ratio supported by RUclips. I'm uploading 21:9 videos with no issues or borders automatically added, maybe something is changing. But still no way to add cards and interactive stufd on videos with different aspect ratios than 16:9
@@Hunterwolf Not anymore. Just uploaded a video in cinemascope and the window is 2.35:1.
@@zyrrhos I noticed that too, in fact all my cinematic videos are in DCI CinemaScope ratio now. But that's still what their guide states. At least 1 month ago!
Not gonna lie, I admit to have used the "fake cinematic aspect ratio" a bunch of times in the past! Feels like a sin now the way you put it hahaha.
Thanks for dropping this gem, EposVox, and making scrubs like us step our video game up.
I'm all for going for the feeling, but do it right! Haha
DING!
@beaniebreakspianos: We all did it at one point. Back in the late 90s i had a VHS-C Camcorder that had a letterbox mode that just added black bars to everything i recorded. It wasn't anamorphic thou. Just 4:3 letterbox. So i did throw away a lot of picture space… but then again it helped me a lot to frame my scenes properly because i always had them even during shooting. It was the best i had before i could finally afford a MiniDV camcorder with anamorphic 16:9 mode.
@@KRAFTWERK2K6 Man, I clicked on your profile to check out if your account was made in 2006. It's early 2007, alright. I was at the "About" tab and saw your info there about your having been locked out of RUclips for over a year because of the Google Plus crap. That sounded familiar. I checked your videos tab and rememberex seeing your profile before. It was on a temporary profile I had last year, so none of your videos have been marked as watched on my main profile. It was a bit weird, RUclips being so big :) I guess I saw your profile the first time on a gaming or electronic music video. I remember seeing your TS404 vids.
Check out 21:9 Gaming to see it done RIGHT ruclips.net/channel/UC0sEn4T2Kl551QQe1miZg7g
EposVox link doesn't work my dude. Great video though. That is annoying. Don't know why people do that.
Just tested it a few more times. Goes right to the channel lol
EposVox hmm. Gives me an error on mobile. Does it link to a gaming channel?
nope, traditional YT channel. Weird. They replied to my pinned comment if you wanna check them that way.
Or maybe I can force it mobile via
m.ruclips.net/channel/UC0sEn4T2Kl551QQe1miZg7g
Agreed if your ENTIRE sequence is set to be cropped, then just export a cropped clip instead of letterboxing. However I wouldn't advise editing on a 2.35:1 timeline straight from the get to unless you're editing anamorphic footage. I've had times when clients wanted an edit to look cinematic, I export a 2.35:1 crop just for them to ask if the crop can be changed or removed. By using the PNG overlays as guides, you can place your shots as they need to be placed, and then in your export window you can crop the final clip to the correct resolution so the black bars are cropped out.
Thats how I do it, my doubt now is.... is the same result working in 1080 50fps project and export it in 25fps for example, than work in a project of 1080 25fps with clips on 50fps? I mean... the export result (25fps) always looks the same?
it should as long as there's no interlacing or some strange after effects compositions in it...
WHAT SOFTWARE IS HE USING
Paul Sharp premiere
Yeah exactly.. That's how my workflow is!!
Finally someone points this out
Finally? The video is a year old. :D
Those Videos where people colorgrade with their black bars under so they go grey…
There was a trend in the early 2000s for rap videos to add white bars on top and bottom. Made me wanna puke :)
omggggg
D:
As a 21:9 monitor owner, I agree that more people should do it this way and spread the word. But I'd also like to notice that ideally, height of the video should be divisible by 8, otherwise you might get issues with certain codecs ( if you notice, 720,1080,1440,2160 etc all comply with that ). So whatever you chose, you might want to pay attention to the /8 math. I personally find 1920x800 and 3840x1600 easiest to use and remember ( it's 2:40:1)
That's a good idea. I remember the first time I did a 2.39:1 video, the maths came out as 1920x803, which I discovered on export that a number of codecs would refuse to take, instead preferring 1920x804. It's not divisible by 8 but they seemed to be happy with it.
EDIT: Just had a look at the 2K DCI standards and the vertical resolution of Scope is 858 which is also not divisible by 8 so maybe it just needs to be an even number. Not entirely sure.
2.37:1 (64:27 to be exact) is best for ultrawide monitors; resolutions like 3840x1620 or 5120x2160, and even DCI width divides evenly so you can have 4096x1728 and its all nicely divisible by 8.
7:13 just answered my question. Great vid :)
I was so hoping for that point to be mentioned! Now I can add them without triggering Epos and have a clear mind about this haha
If you want to view an example of why this matters, check this out. RUclips's new layout allows for great 21:9 viewing, even on a 16:9 screen IF you actually upload 21:9 instead of letterboxing. twitter.com/EposVox/status/860940713344856065
If they had letterboxed this to 16:9, the video would show with black bars on the top/bottom AND the left/right. Not cool.
I know a guy...who has a channel... :D
;)
EposVox can you help me with the calculation .. You said about had and uhd . why about other resolutions and other aspect ratio if I wanna try .. Right now my short film is in uhd have the calculation u said 3840* 1572 which is a 21:9 ratio what if I want a 1:85:1 what should be its calculation have a confusion maybe it's a dumb question .. Possible please help
Or how did get the calculation 1572 in uhd sequence settinhs
EposVox hey what about 1:85:1 is the ratio I want
It's True , Plz Never Use A 16:9 video and add letterbox in it , it sucks , especially for ultrawide monitor
^^
yo , cheers mate , lovely videos btw!
Thanks!
No Worries :)
If you want your video to be viewed at 2.35:1 or something similar, you normally just export at the corresponding aspect ratio so there is no letterbox in the file itself. Letterbox is only added by your playback software as default depending on your monitor. But if you have a corresponding monitor to that file's aspect ratio then you will have no letterbox. So, as it is obvious, such aspect ratios are actually great for ultrawide monitors, it just needs to be done correctly.
I assume RUclips doesn't have ability to adapt to your monitor so you would have issues there with wider monitors, but that's not at all the creator's fault.
YES YES THANK YOU!!!!
Finally someone posted this!
thanks you for thinking about us.
pd. the 21:9 community.
Thanks. I use a LG "21:9" ultra-wide monitor and got 4 black bars when viewing movie trailers on youtube.
To somehow combat this problem there's a Chrome add-on that allows to reframe any streaming video by pressing ctrl+shift+C. Don't remember the name though.
But if the video is 1080p or lower- the quality will not be great due to the hard-coded black bars taking up bandwidth. With 1440p or 4k videos works great though
@@Solegor The same is true for 18:9(new phones) videos. RUclips shows them as 1080p but downscale them to 1920x960.
so you got 8 black bars in 1:45
I hear you, and I agree, but it's very hard to take someone who has the taskbar at the top of their screen seriously.
"You customize things how you find them to be most efficient, so I can't take you seriously" yeah get over yourself
EposVox it was a joke man, chill 😂
EposVox sounds like you take yourself s little too seriously bro. 😂
I can’t take him seriously either, he seems pretty disturbed in his video. He looks like the creepy guy that would be filming kids at a playground
EposVox Lmfao what the fuck? Chill
Watched to 7:56 and finally felt less guilty for doing this!!! In a vlog where you bring in the track and keyframe the bars down for a cinematic section it just works wonders for stepping up that footage and making the slow mo pop! So well explained and thought out video! Thanks Adam
I made a similar mistake once, way back when RUclips switched from 4:3 to 16:9. Learned my lesson very quickly.
:D
So here's why the letterboxing is actually the _correct_ way in many circumstances... broadcasting standards.
If you are sending this file out to a television broadcast, DVD or bluray - those systems are hard wired for 16x9. You cannot hand them anything besides a 16x9 file and therefore you MUST letterbox.
Yes, that's why Vevo and etc. are like that, but also which is why this video is catered for web video/RUclips videos -- and your newbie RUclipsrs aren't doing it for broadcast standards reasons, heh :P
I'm sure when working with TV it is quite obnoxious. But you need to know your format and medium, and for web video 16:9 canvases all the time is not the correct way to go.
Mk Sv Dm Guys I am confused and I need your help. Can anyone answer me this question. When a TV channel broadcasts a film or a series episode and I see it in my TV as 2:35:1 it is not actually 2:35:1? And another question, 2:35:1 video can be filmed directly or is 16:9 with black bars?
While I agree this is correct, I still think it's prudent to edit in the aspect ratio you want rather than add bars and crop later. For broadcast etc. I would render using the resolution (and all the other things) I'm asked for, at which point all the editing software I've used so far have added letterboxes or pillarboxes to make up the extra space unless I tell them otherwise.
EposVox broadcast doesn't just mean it's going to a TV station... Broadcast means it's compliant with television standards which means its viewable on all televisions that follow that standard.
Sure if you're going to live and die on a computer screen, you can do whatever you want, go with 19.35 fps 1922x865. But the moment you want to watch that video on a TV set that's not a computer monitor or burn it to a playable Blu-ray you (or the software/hardware) has to conform the video to broadcast standards.
I just looked up Netflix submission guidelines and they only accept the traditional broadcast aspect ratios. Amazon prime video has this language: "Anamorphic sources must include accurate 4:3 or 16:9 display aspect ratio flags."
If your want to couch the advice as, well this is only for amateurs goofing around on RUclips, that's fine... But don't say that Letterboxing is wrong because it's the reality for many professional applications.
yes. finally, someone who understands this! :)
But a better way to do this is, in fact, using png overlays as guides *and* exporting it in the preferred format like 21:9 for example. Reason for this is if you use warp stabilizer, it doesn't like when the video is a different format than the sequence setting.
I use Premier Elements, and I can’t make a new sequence on it because it doesn’t have that feature on it. I also tried the interpret footage, but it distorted my image because I didn’t have an anamorphic lens. Is there any way I can still get a true aspect ratio without distorting it or having to crop it?
1:30 exactly, almost all of the music videos I watch just add bars to the top and bottom and now I have black bars everywhere. I installed a chrome extension that, for the most part, fixes it, but why not just edit it in 21:9 ??
"I want the entire world to stop doing this" is such a mood
But if ya boi is going for that Michael Bay, fluctuating aspect ratio look, bars are just the only way to go.
Sam Cant you change the aspect ratios of the cut clips? Or edit them separately
As much as i hate Michael Bay… but he actually shoots anamorphic Widescreen.
Wasnt that Christopher Nolan with one of the Batman movies?
Hi. Thanks for the advice. I tried it out. However I added a crop opening transition effect and I get these black bars on the left and right. I can't seem to move the crop to fit the 2560 x 1080 aspect ratio. My original file was shot in 16/9 1080p. Can you assist?
If I want to use 21:9 and 4:3 in the same video... Basically a part in the cinematic aspect ratio and a part in 4:3, then is there any way for the video to naturally adapt to the aspect ratios? Or in that case using adjustment layers is the best option that I have?
But sometimes you just want your B-roll to have a different aspect ratio, not the entire video...
Thanks for this! Good bop in the background as well
Thank you for telling us something that should have been quite obvious and I have not thought of at all. Another big bonus of doing this that I just noticed when trying it out is that you get a lot more workspace in premiere. Removing the dead space the black bars created cramped the actual workwindow down a lot, giving you bigger timeline-space to work with. Big thumbs up for this tip!
The best thing i've seen is videos with effects like lens flares added and you can see the lens flares or their glow going over the black bars out of the video.
In good way?
No haha. If you know what you are doing, you could use it to make some cool 4th wall breaking effects. Most people don't do it on purpose though...
Goddammit thank you. I couldn't understand why so many people was doing it that way.
Okay that's very useful, but I wonder, which should be the best way if you have the whole video in 4:3 and for a moment you want to make a transition like in some videos to 16:9, with the black trimming coming up from the bottom and down from the top? it's right to do a temporary trim? or not.
Noob question here. I shoot with my d5300 with i 1920x1080. Which setting is the best should i pick at the start of premiere pro. it gives a lot of options.. want to render it as a 16:9 at 24fps
Great video. I agree, changing the size of the video itself is the correct way to change aspect ratios. But, what about films like The Grand Budapest Hotel, Scott Pilgrim vs. The World or even The Dark Knight? They all change aspect ratios throughout each film. And they probably did use the black bars to accomplish that effect. Well, The Dark Knight changed between IMAX and regular Wide Screen. So technically it doesn't have have the black bars added. But you can still see them in the actual film even when watching it in the corresponding wide screen size. And I imagine The Grand Budapest Hotels looks tiny on an old 4:3 TV screen.
Thanks for this tutorial man! I'm definitely guilty of throwing cinematic bars on my videos from time to time. You did a great job explaining why I am so wrong. Life changed! Thanks!!!
Thanks for watching!
Ditto
I'm not a pro or even a user of premiere, but i have a question anyway. Is there a way to combine multiple aspect ratio videos and export them as one file and upload on youtube? For example there is a 16:9 video and a transition to a cinematic cut, which changes the aspect to 21:9. Can the video itself change the aspect? So that when viewed on a 16:9 monitor, in the first scene the image is fullscreen, and the second has black bars but not artificial pngs? Viewed on a 21:9 monitor it would then be reversed. First there would be top bars then it would go fullscreen. Is this possible?
Finally what should I do can I crop it or add black png bars I upload videos on you tube but my short film is played on screen soon what should I do for that please reply me
F*CKING THANK YOU
(I hate that trend with just putting black bars over the video, just to make it more "cinematic")
Thanks for watching!
haha, thanks for making the video! :)
* insert thank you gif here* Finally someone who understands this. There so many people, even big film channels on youtube, telling you to download and import a letterbox png. I never understood that.
what if I want to do a cinematic aspect ratio and than change to 16:9 in the middle of the clip?
Should I just crop it or make a different sequence?
I’m curious as to what to do if the same video changes aspect ratios? Would I set the aspect ratio to the tallest one and have black bars for the shorter ones?
My pet peeve if you will is people who shoot a video on their phones holding their phone vertically, long side up and down so what we end up with is a very narrow video instead of a video long side left and right axis. I hope you understand what I mean here. there are tons of videos shot this way.
Haha I hate that too. And "Stories" on Snapchat/Instagram/Facebook will only make that more popular. But typically videos shot vertically were never worth watching whereas people who spend a lot of time making good videos will ruin it w/ black bars.
Totally understood it back in the days when cameras just started coming out on phones, back in the "dumbphone" days, was very awkward to hold it horizontally. Now with smartphones, there is NO excuse.
There's a time and place for vertical video and it's called High School.
In all seriousness, I'm sure there are some people that can do vertical format fairly well for what it's worth, but even on my phone I prefer horizontal. My eyes aren't stacked vertically, darn it!
Vertical videos serve one purpose: in-feed social media posts designed to be viewed on mobile. Stories and in-feed posts, that's it.
I hate this! When I bought my lg ultra wide I was super disappointed by how many videos had black bars instead of the true aspect ratio.
I was wondering wouldnt it be preferred to choose 1080p even in a 2.35.1 ratio, instead of using a 1920 X 818 timeline? I was thinking I should use 2538 X 1080 so that I always have an 1080p HD resolution in my videos even with cinemascope. What am I missing?
One reason this has become some popular on youtube as that uploading in alternate aspect ratios means you can't or couldn't use certain tools like end cards. For example Corridor Digital (who is very connected with youtube) have a very cinematic style and put out videos in 2.35 anamorphic and similar styles a lot. Their videos go viral and get millions of views. They get a lot of click-thru to other videos, merch and partners via their end cards and not having them would have been a detriment to their channel.
Ehhhhhhhhh. I'd say that is a reasonable excuse as to why some haven't switched, but this has been a problem long before end cards existed and such - mainly because the player wouldn't adapt to the aspect ratio in earlier RUclips days - but people have yet to switch over.
And if they don't switch more, RUclips will be more lazy about updating the feature.
Don't Ehhhh. Admit it. He's right. End cards get you so many more views and subs because it's an annotation that cannot be disabled. That cannot be overlooked.
Lmao what.
A - it can be "disabled". Turning off "Annotations" in the video player turns off End Cards. End Cards don't display on all devices still, and YT could drop the feature at any time, as they have done with every other on-screen element. (Meanwhile you can't go back and fix the aspect ratio of an old video.)
B - And it can definitely be overlooked as most people don't use them, and most viewers never reach the end of the video. They're nice for like at MOST on a good watch time video... 10% of your viewers to see them? They're not as important as they seem.
+EposVox Are you sure? The whole purpose of end cards is they can't be disabled the way annotations can. Try it for yourself. Turn off annotations and you'll see the end cards are still there.
Actually I am mistaken on that. I'm like 99.9% they did turn off before, as I specifically took note of it while watching them turn off and on with that button. Even have a video clip of it stored... somewhere.
But that's definitely not "the whole purpose" whatsoever.
THANK YOU! Someone had to teach all these kiddos how to format videos properly. :)
Larry David so true
please help me in an easy way :/ i record 16:9 on my sony a6300…. i should edit in what aspect ratio and pixels to make it look right on almost every screen??( preferably with top and bottom black bars in the right way "not png" )
I am trying to upload my footage into a 1920x803 sequence in premiere pro and it shows up with black bars on the left and right side. Do you know if there is a setting I need to change to fix this in camera or in premiere?
Is there any type of plug in or something for video aspect ratio in Adobe PP?
Why would you need a plugin? It's just in your sequence settings
EposVox thanks :)
THANK YOU!
1280x1024 is 5:4, not 4:3! There's a difference!
Okay.. emmm... for video 16 : 9 how many pixel × pixel ( resolution) so it can emm adapt with our screen resolution? I confused when i make the new sequence. Please answer and help me :"
As a 21/9 monitor owner I thank you.
Michael Fokias Agree. I hate when i go and watch some "cinematic" videos and they do this.
I do understand though however, that as a creator its not very attractive to export in 21/9 when there's no endcard support for that aspect ration - unless that has been fixed by now
2:02 I was watching this on a 4:3 screen which added additional black bars.
Please answer my question hehe, If my sequence 1920x1080 24fps, so I export my whole sequence it should be the same ratio? or I'll go to 1920x800 aspect ratio to have a black bars?
I need someone to explain it as easy as possible for me. What should i do to naturally get cinematic bars when uploading to youtube when i use 1.85:1 aspect ratio on my Sony a6300? I do 4k videos and 120fps xavc s hd
These are the DCI specifications...
2048×1080 (2K) at 24 frame/s or 48 frame/s, or 4096×2160 (4K) at 24 frame/s
In 2K, for Scope (2.39:1) presentation 2048×858 pixels
In 2K, for Flat (1.85:1) presentation 1998×1080 pixels
In 4K, for Scope (2.39:1) presentation 4096×1716 pixels
In 4K, for Flat (1.85:1) presentation 3996×2160 pixels
Well standards are changed at some point (like the transition from 4:3 to 16:9), 21:9 screens are getting more and more popular, so standards will have to change. What will happen when half the world uses 21:9 monitors/tvs(I know they don't exist but who knows) /project screens ?
If you are making videos for RUclips, then 16:9 is a must when you want to use the end screen buttons as RUclips does not allow end screens in other aspect ratios then just 16:9.
8:5 (16x10), 4:3, 17:9 and 2:1 (18x9) all work with End Cards, and wider format support probably coming soon. Would MUCH rather have a video that isn't screwed up on my screens than have on-screen elements I'm not going to click and that 1-5% of viewers will ever see.
2:1 is a great middle ground of having a wider, more "cinematic" feel while still having end card support.
I get this message below with my 21:9 video video, which most used widescreen than any of those you have listed and I can't find any info release saying what you said as can only find 16:9. But honestly most people don't have wider screen monitors anyways and redirecting viewers to next video is important for RUclips growth.
The aspect ratio of your video is currently not supported
The end screen tool currently only supports videos with an aspect ratio of approximately 16:9
Other thing should never use those PNG and rather use my letterboxing presets which I never seen any noise or oddities with happen in the letterbox and high chance just because of the PNG.
Yes, they say that, ("approximately" being key) but I've tested this myself - a regular recurring test I do every 6 months or so. I've put out videos in all of those aspect ratios and End Cards work fine.
21:9 is the big "wide" one that they don't support yet.
But 2:1 (18:9) is a common smartphone aspect ratio now and scales cleanly on 16:9, 17:9 (DCI 4K - many editors such as myself have these monitors) and full 21:9 screens that keeps a good balance of both worlds :)
And yes I agree w/ using your presets or something similar rather than image files. Love your presets!
Any idea why it crops sides and not bottom and top when changing ratios?
Using sony vegas 15. Tried a bunch of methods ://
HI! i shoot 6k anamorphic video mode in my gh5 (4992x3744),in the gh5 monitor ratio is great, wide etc... when i make a new sequence in premiere pro :4992x3744 1.33 anamorphic, aspect ratio is not the same , it's seems not enough wide as in monitor , did i made a mistake? many thanks ,
I don't get why adding the black bars or cropping somehow enhances the video. For me I prefer any video that fills up my large screen tv, much like the scene from Batman: The Dark Knight where they use that full screen footage in a few places, that's way better than black bars. To have anything less is defeating the purpose of a large screen.
oo0Spyder0oo People use it for no other reason than "to be cinematic" which is dumb but there is such a thing as choosing the best ratio for the film's compositions. Its not just about filling the screen, especially when different screens have different ratios. Lots of 2.39:1 cinema screens.
Yes but… different aspect ratios convey different emotions and meanings. So as much as a director chooses an actor or a lens, choosing an aspect ratio is a creative decision. And, probably not in your home, but screens in cinema theaters are very very large, like very, so it kinds of keeps being very big even if you cut a big chunk out of the image.
Vertical videos are the worst.
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This made me think about a vertical video with black bars on the top and bottom and now I think I'm gonna cry.
"I like to give the viewer the feeling of watching my videos on a Tomagotchi screen"
I've seen a guy post a 16:9 horizontal video of a 9:16 vertical snapchat video on his snapchat story. That means the image becomes this little box on the middle of the screen. Bravo.
What's also annoying is when the news then broadcast a vertical eye witness clip, and they've clearly used some software to add a larger and very blurry version of the very same clip the background to fill in the edges to make it 16:9. You then end up with a vertical clip with weird blurry motion on each side. WHY?!
@ Kyree Holmes: ^THIS!!! The biggest problem of today.... goddamn mobile phone videos >_>
Hi, but what should I do if I want to change the aspect ratio During the film? Like I want to start off the film with a 16:9 and then in the middle of the film I want to change it to 21:9. With this change I can't adjust the aspect ratios within the video itself
Thaannkk youu! Awesome batch of information! I've been looking around for sources that give you actual numbers, and don't just keep referring to aspect ratios and percentages for adding crop bars.
The reason why people do this is because the rest of their video is in normal 16:9 and they just have the cinematic and B-Roll parts in the "21:9" aspect ratio.
I'm forgiving when it's parts of the video - even though that is pretty dumb overall. But there are PLENTY of videos that do this for the whole video, and that's what I'm referring to here.
I got your point. I do mostly vlogs and pure 21:9 seem a little bit useless to me. For like a 30 second portion of something or a quick slowomo it just makes for a cool effect.
a 30 sec section is alright, Peter McKinnon does that alot, but if you gonna make a 5 minute video 21:9 and you have a premade outro video that is 5 second and it's 16:9, then no.
Sorry, don't say 'anyone'. Because I never use black bars for cinematic videos. I always use 1920 x 800 for my cinematic videos.
Great tip, historically when shooting in 2k i've always loaded my footage in After effects and created the correct formatted composition and loaded the video into that. I didn't know how to do that in Premiere.
I'm having a issue with the aspect ratio whenever I set the aspect ratio to 2:35:1 in Premiere and upload the video to RUclips, the YT video seems to crop all the way in instead of letting me zoom in and out showing the original size of the aspect ratio
"They don't go into their Hollywood editing bays and pull out a PNG with black bars...."
Slightly incorrect. A lot of modern movies (the last 20-30 years), were shot without anamorphic lenses, and *were* hard-matted in editing.
Lord of the Rings for example is 21:9, but all the production footage (including CGI) was 4:3.
They hard-matte, put they don't use a PNG file.
So they cropped out half the image information in LotR? Why didn’t they at least shoot 16:9?
They crop the video to wide. They don't add bars.
They have been doing that forever! 1.85 and 1.66 were always matted and never shot anamorphic on film.
There's a few reasons why it could be useful, RUclips doesn't allow the end screen to be added to videos that aren't 16:9. Secondly, there are some effects in Premiere that require the footage to be the same size as the sequence size, which means you'll have to nest all. the. time. But otherwise I totally agree, it does take up more space, and can be artifact-y in lower bitrates. But sometimes it's worth the trade-off.
The nesting thing is usually necessary if you work with multiple sized/aspect ratio footage in the first place, which is fairly common.
Also RUclips allows end cards on 16:10, 17:9 (DCI 4K and 2K), 4:3, 2:1, etc., just not super wide cinema/21:9 yet. But 2:1 is a perfect balance.
Fair enough, they do state "approximately 16:9". 2:1 is probably the way to go, but I'd still keep the overlay in my timeline, then just crop it out in the export, that's a perfect balance in my opinion ;) Doing it correctly while saving time!
I have an edit ready in wich i used the crop tool to get those black bars. If i export it in a ratio that excludes the black bars will that also do the trick? Also, is 10% crop the standard? I have it set to 12% rn but if that causes for an unual size i will change it
I'm very new to video editing and have been constantly running into tutorial videos that describe adding the letterbox bars to create that cinematic look and I was just not happy with the idea of it. I just wasn't sure how else to create the look while delivering the quality of the cinematic shot and didn't understand that it was a matter of working with the actual aspect ratios. I'm glad to have come upon this video. Extremely valuable information.
Thanks for watching!
I'm just gonna be honest. I think 2.35:1 doesn't look good. 16:9 conveys more vertical information than 21:9 unless you use a really wide lens to compensate, but then you have to fight things like barrel distortion. People need to just stop doing this entirely. It doesn't "look cinematic" or make you look more professional, it just looks like you're trying too hard. The instant I see your actor's hair cut off by the black border where it obviously was not supposed to be cut off, I'm going to laugh at you and so will everyone else.
16:10 is even better. because it gives you the vertical space of 4:3 and the wideness of 16:9
Enters the digital screen. It’s a shame that in spite of the high engineering works, science and arts spent to achieve realism and aesthetics by optical scientists and engineers in the visual production, it is dismaying to see most people are happy viewing distorted images on their digital screens. Most people are aspect blind, unable to differentiate between normal and distorted pictures. For almost two decades following the introduction of digital television and the broadcasting of digital signals on the air, most TV stations continue to transmit their programs in 4:3 format for CRT picture tubes. The viewers watch their 4:3 shows in 16:9 screens. The images are stretched sidewise with the people shorter, broad shoulders, fat faces and flat rounds. Surprisingly, people do not mind the distortion and if you adjust the image to normal, they are bothered by the black spaces at the sides. Forget about those aspect geekspeaks. Shame for all the arts of the Cinemascope and Panavision
Odouls77 broadcasting in 4:3 in 2018 should be fucking illegal.
Because most people have other more important issues to worry about than worry what fucking aspect ratio there looking at 😂 you fucking dumb? First world problems much?
Will 3840×1574 show up as 4K on RUclips and other platforms? (because RUclips says 2160p 4K but now our 4K clip width is not 2160)
Thanks a lot for this amazing tutorial! I never knew I was doing it wrong...
I always made 1920x800 project! :)
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playerCross911 That doesn't even make sense.
THANK YOU SO MUCH. This is something I only ever did as I was learning the program and didn't know how to edit in different aspects and googled how to. But once I learned, oh boy.
i couldn't drag my 1920x1080 footage into the 4k sequence. what to do if i have to edit footages with difrent aspect ratios ?
You are the one doing it wrong... Doing this way several effects will not work unless you nest them, (pain in the ass) scaling different resolution will also generate problem on renders.... The only thing you have to do es simplY EXPORT in that aspect ratio you want... Trust me on this, much easier... Bie!
Hendra Wijaya I fail to see why. The framing will be the one you choosed in the timeline. There is no perfect way, every method has some caviats, yet I think this the one for my workflow despite the fact I believe that choosing the right sequence settings is the second choice for me!
Hendra Wijaya ok, now I realize what you mean. I use the png black bars for framing but I export whitout that part ;)
If you're not nesting anyway (which would solve that) you probably have other bad editing habits too, heh
EposVox ok, bad habits,.? For sure, you are the expert...puff,.... The worst habit is not to listen to new data... Bye master.
EposVox ya ol Spielberg forgot you were an expert. Why even try to teach people different ways if you wont give them same time in return when they may have better solutions?
I dont really see the problem with black bar presets. Ive seen fantastic shortfilms on youtube and festivals shot in 16:9 with a budget camera and added bars in post. It doesnt matter if u dont do it the "correct" way, if ur gonna upload to the internet, most people are gonna watch it on their phones anyway. Im getting a dense self righteous ass from your videos anyway, theyre not even good enough to justify that you are "right".
Phones are more important for that now that many are in 2:1. Don't wanna watch a pillarboxed AND letterboxed video on a tiny phone screen.
Nothing "self-righteous" about my content. Whatsoever.
Ruok I have a 21:9 monitor and a 18:9 phone screen so yes people need to fucking stop. It's really stupid how when I'm viewing a 16:9 video with added black bars it makes the video smaller........ Just render the damn video at 1920x800 or 3840x1600 ffs...
EposVox tour comments are self righteous as hell. And you don't see that you are ignorant as hell. Not that you'll read this. I only expect you to respond if you can think of some sarcastic half naked remark that doesn't even touch the points I have delved into in these comment sections
You seriously missed the point of the video. In a nutshell: faking it has all sorts of problems and no advantages.
The point is, that is doesnt make any SENSE to add bars if you crop your video for it. And there are people who made the illusion available, that that would actually make it cinematic, because all of the wannabefilmmakers who started to add the bars because its so "hollywood".
Hey, what if i want to change the aspect ratio in the movie? Slowly or just between clips. Then what would u recommend?
great video, question. i was asked to deliver my cinemascope project to youtube via 1920 x 1080..but it's 1920 x 800. will youtube let me deliver it in proper 2:35:1? is 1080 just a general guide for max height? thanks!
someone who uses terms like "cinematic" and "fancy" when talking about screen formats instantly loses credibility.
Not useful this guy acts as if he knows it all using strange terminology and making things complicated, use black bars its fine
Dude, this was amazingly helpful. Also, you presented the information in a completely non-condescending manner. Very impressed man 👍🏼
Thanks for watching!
Non-condescending? Have you read the comments he's making? He's only nice to people who kiss his ass in the comments and if they have any different idea he's a sarcastic ass who cant possibly believe there are other ways to do things
This was a super helpful video! I haven't tried to do anything in those aspect ratios yet, but have been seeing a lot of my favorite RUclips creators using the black bars for that cinematic look and was starting to wonder if that was something I should be thinking about (but I hate the idea of not using the entire frame for valuable video content). You can bet I'll be making presets for more cinematic aspect ratios in Premiere now!
I do personally find using random aspect ratios to be a bit silly, but I understand it appeals to some.
What if you are working with a combination of footage shot in different aspect ratios (e.g. in documentaries)?
My clips that I'm using have a 3840 length but when I use the ratio that you used (3840 x 1574), i still get black bars on the left and right side of my footage. Any ideas on what to do?
FRS Films In DaVinci Resolve you need to change your timeline scaling to ‘crop to fit’. Hope that helps in some way.
Great info and thank you for sharing this.
Cheers, Pete
Do you know of there's a way to do this in Avid Media Composer? The project setup options aren't as freeform as in Premiere.
A lot of movies these days seem to be in 2.35:1 just so they can be wider than television, and they either don't know how to really make use of the wide frame, or the movie itself isn't cut out for it. Scope format should look wide and spacious, not vertically cramped.
What do you do If you want to add a logo to your video. ?(sorry for my english)
This video was super helpful man! Thanks so much 👌👌👌
Hi EposVox, thanks for this "at last I get it" education. A question for you, if I may? What happens when I need to use these cinematic aspect ratios across other platforms like Instagram etc. To compose for widescreen is an art in itself. Simply cropping out a 16:9 for Instagram would seem to be the reverse crime you highlight in this video - the opposite of adding black letterbox bars to make fake widescreen. Any ideas? Or does one simply have to do diferent edits for different destinations? Thanks again.
I do this on my game development tutorials when testing the games with 2 vertical letter boxers so that viewers can see nothing but the game. I zoom in then have it fade on. Is that okay? It's all a screen recording.