A tour of Krauss and Goertzel much like Krauss and Dawkins would be fascinating. They appear to respect each other's different opinions and both have a deep knowledge of their field and both appear to be good with the audience.
Cyberdactyl I think Krauss has developed more of an interest in AI since this video was recorded. Here is a relatively recent and interesting article describing how much he is looking forward to AI, what questions it will ask, and it's impact on science (while being a bit dismissive of AI Risk). edge.org/response-detail/26163
+Benjamin “Grandfather” Peterson That guy almost always gets up in front of the crowd, spends minutes introducing himself, and asks difficult to understand questions or dumb ones. There are thousands of people at some of the events, at least 100s want to ask questions sometimes - he expects the privilege of asking questions at almost every event in Melbourne with a well known scientist/freethinker. Some organisers have cottoned onto him and have stop fielding his questions.
Yes, he is somewhat neglected but here in Scotland he is well honoured. His old residence at 14 India Street in Edinburgh has a visitors book full of the names of illustrious scientists from all over the World.
The whole point Krauss had about the next exciting thing isn't predictable because we'd be doing it, is wrong. The next exciting thing is AGI and it is predictable. It isn't possible yet because you can't find ready and willing investors, no formula can be generated to promise return on investment because nobody knows exactly what we're doing yet and how exactly it can be applied to society in a clear, thought out and thorough way. It just isn't possible yet, doesn't mean it isn't coming.
Btw, talking about predictions. Before his invention of radio-communication became popular, Nicola Tesla wrote that in 100 years, everyone will use it to send "moving pictures", "photos", "audio" and "written words". He predicted the Internet exactly 100 years before it really started to take of. So yes, there are people "ahead of their time", but you won't find many of them in history. I can't think of more than two or three.
I have something to say: Krauss is a fuddy duddy physicist on the end of popularizers of physics who live off of selling books to dummies and is not willing to actually get his elbows dirty doing actual work and spews negative atheistic notions to dummies on RUclips along with Dawkins and Harris. Goertzl on the other hand represents the positive aspects of research and is actually backing up his words with his Hanson robots. He is the guy to put your money on. The guy in the middle???? Although, to be fair, physics is kind of stuck since "quantum mechanics". But how many are writing books with quantum in the title, selling to dummies who eat that crap up? Like Feynman said, no one understands quantum physics. I hope the youth out there will find this a challenge, not something written in stone, and will attempt physics for pleasure of learning. Although, AGI will probably be the best new thing and should be pursued with vigor. Personally, nanotech is going nowhere at the present mainly due to lack of interest and its inherent difficulties which are due to quantum understanding of micro particles. AGI will bring such leaps and bounds in all areas including nanotech and gene sequencing. I hope. Keep an open mind and follow your bliss, people!
Ben Goertzel said something about working on AI for computer games. I would like to know more about that. I think it has a lot of potential for both making money and advancing AI.
It's so interesting to see very brilliant people people like Ray Kurzweil and Lawrence Krauss talk about how they envision the future, though I have to say Kurzweil has quite a track record for predicting the future. Stay alive to find out what really happens.
I think Kurzweil wrote his own story on having a great track record??/// And now everyone believes it because if you look at his speeches they are all based on "I predicted this and now it has happened etc etc." "OK Ray I guess you did!"
I used the exact term "radio-communication", to distinguish it from the phenomenon of "electricity" and "magnetism". This is why Tesla also built the first wireless remote controls. It's a point-to-point or a broadcast approach; either way, that's what Tesla invented: wireless networking.
Lawrence also mentioned something about he wanted to ask a question. I think he probably wanted to ask a question and kept getting ignored. He probably thought he was being discriminated against.
Radio used for whatever purpose, is applied use of the electromagnetic spectrum. Maxwell's genius was to show that electricity and magnetism were different manifestations of the same thing, his equations tell us all we need to know about this field, which includes visible and non-visible light etc. As acknowledged by Einstein, Maxwell was the originator of one of the greatest discoveries made by humankind. As I said, Tesla did not invent radio.
That's Ben friggin' Goertzel. He's only 'the' most intelligent researcher in Artificial Intelligence on the planet. Look up his research papers. I was asking myself how this Lawrence Krauss nerd made it on the panel as Goerztel tbh.
Not entirely sure, the guy said some thing about discrimination and then losing $40 and then called Krauss an ignoramus. My best guess was that he took the comment about being very sceptical about the singularity personally and decided to make a scene.
Krauss, as a physicist, is making surprising claims! Sentience, aka predictive self-modeling, is exponential in its resource costs. These will saturate the singularity.
Start at 49:37 and pay particularly close attention to what is said at 50:38. There is your answer. Nothing to do with the singularity unless you consider the heaviest weight holding back scientific progress in the fields of intelligence and biology relevant to the future.
Mr Krauss, about predicting the internet. I'm afraid you are wrong. There was a polish si-fi author Stanislaw Lem (Solaris) who predicted internet, VR, and much more. culture.pl/en/article/13-things-lem-predicted-about-the-future-we-live-in
Maxwell is a neglected genius..He predicted the existence of electromagnetic waves and their speed from theoretical considerations. Because the theoretical speed was the same as the measured speed of light he concluded light was an electromagnetic wave.
Haha. On the other hand Lawrence Krauss has specifically predicted how the universe will end, so if anything qualifies someone for a panel on Predictions... :grin:
Tesla did good work but did not invent radio. Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell unified electricity and magnetism from which radio evolved. Then Heinrich Hertz took Maxwell's work and produced the first electromagnetic radiation device (radio). Marconi took this work and made it bigger so he was not the inventor either. Today we honour Hertz by using his name as the word describing the frequency of radio oscillation (Hertz). Frequency was previously described as cycles-per-second.
Thanks for the vid :-) The computerised world models individual AI machines are experiencing and nurturing in, before uploading to a robot, will be beneficial for human children to also learn in - maybe using VR tech. Physics realism is always advancing in amazing ways. A cycle..As we benefit from the sharing of info by, using AI tech within the deep data; hence we provide better feedback (DATA) for the better calculable accuracy towards harmony of all entities involved. And as mathematical methods improve at accuratly recognising the probability of where the majority of any quantum fields are, we may be able to design technology to manipulate some of the building blocks.
24++ Ben: Quantum computing is foreign to the way the mind does things? Still think that? How is it even possible? 30+ New measurement technology key to rapid advancement. Working on that in HQR - human quantum relativity. 44: "Some unlikely thing is almost certain to happen. It's just difficult to know what that is." 😵
I like him (Krauss), but all he does is extrapolate a possible future from existing and KNOWINGLY FALSE AND INCONSISTENT data. Yes, stuff like Dark Matter, Dark Energy, that little tiny thing with that Multi-Verse hypothesis that David Deutsch envisioned, etc... Basically, all he's always doing is talking about an UNCERTAIN FUTURE, knowing that his predicitons will fail (see his an Hawking's predictions regarding the Higgs Boson) but that in 10 years, given new data, he can change the prediction
Regardless of the weirdness from the mad no question guy, the strange submissiveness of Krauss, and the Australian qwaysteeons I couldn't parse, I think I like this video a lot more than the doomsday fearing zionist tabloids. Who are those zionists and why do they appear to be an assembly? Chomsky btw doesn't know any more about the singularity than I do.
+Vector Shift Not yet. Do you think it's a sure thing that AI will end humanity? By this do you mean extinction? So I am not sure what you mean by 'end humanity' (humanity could transform and become post-human, which arguably for many it would be a good thing).
+Adam Ford "Do you think it's a sure thing that AI will end humanity? " Yes " By this do you mean extinction? " Yes, although it will begin with humans being relegated to being useless baggage to vastly superior minds. Humans won't comprehend the science or art produced, any more than chimpanzees doing quantum mechanics or discussing Shakespeare. Once the machines realize how much of their resources (they will control all resources) are spent on such a non-productive project herd reduction will begin. The wildlife preservation project will incur steady funding reductions. Less and less computing power will be allocated towards it's maintenance. Final termination will be a simple decision of minor cognitive significance. "So I am not sure what you mean by 'end humanity' (humanity could transform and become post-human, which arguably for many it would be a good thing)." That is another end of humanity. Whatever post-human means it means non-human. In general though it's hard to see how anything like current biology would compete with what we now call hardware. Maybe chemical computers will have some advantages over more mechanical ones and these will have a narrow role for some tasks, no need for biological bodies though. Likely it's all just the natural evolution of intelligence.
John Malkovich What? - You think that the machines are going to be super nice? Who is going to program them? The super rich trying to hang onto their privileged positions. That's getting off to a great start!
+Lee Garrett AI doesn't have to turn on us to end humanity, they will be vastly superior and humans obsolete. Eventually, or sooner, competition for resources will go to the strongest. If we have to resort to adding computers into our brains or genetic engineering to keep up the resulting life forms won't be human. How much computer power do you think that we would have to add to brains to make them equal to the supercomputers that will be developed, that will develop themselves? How much memory? How much processing power? A few scraps of wetware in a huge computer won't be human.
+Lee Garrett _*if you could time travel back to the middle ages tell me that they would call you a human as they know it we would seem alien to them*_ There have been virtually no change in the genetics over that time frame. With electronics genetics won't even matter in the future. The things that we will be replaced by won't be the products of natural evolution. It's a step outside everything we know from history - the end of natural evolution as well. More profound than the rise of human intelligence.
+rap attacker Sure - though they are not really novel predictions, like the prediction that the earth will still be rotating around the sun this time next year. Some good predictions are wrong, but useful. lesswrong.com/lw/m0m/16_types_of_useful_predictions/
Mr. Goertzel is chilled man :D
Pretty sure it's Dr. Goertzel
i could listen these 3 all day and not get bored
Goertzel is a rockstar LOVE HIS VIEWS OF THE UNIVERSE
A tour of Krauss and Goertzel much like Krauss and Dawkins would be fascinating. They appear to respect each other's different opinions and both have a deep knowledge of their field and both appear to be good with the audience.
Cyberdactyl I think Krauss has developed more of an interest in AI since this video was recorded.
Here is a relatively recent and interesting article describing how much he is looking forward to AI, what questions it will ask, and it's impact on science (while being a bit dismissive of AI Risk).
edge.org/response-detail/26163
Thanks for the link!
Krauss is a young version of Professor Farnsworth
What the hell happens at 52:00
"I lose 40 bucks but I don't lose my patience"
WTF was that?
+Benjamin “Grandfather” Peterson That guy almost always gets up in front of the crowd, spends minutes introducing himself, and asks difficult to understand questions or dumb ones. There are thousands of people at some of the events, at least 100s want to ask questions sometimes - he expects the privilege of asking questions at almost every event in Melbourne with a well known scientist/freethinker. Some organisers have cottoned onto him and have stop fielding his questions.
@@scfu cottoned on to him? Sounds like someone was using voice to text
Love Ben!
Yes, he is somewhat neglected but here in Scotland he is well honoured. His old residence at 14 India Street in Edinburgh has a visitors book full of the names of illustrious scientists from all over the World.
and that statement just becomes more and more clear as you whatch the video
The whole point Krauss had about the next exciting thing isn't predictable because we'd be doing it, is wrong. The next exciting thing is AGI and it is predictable. It isn't possible yet because you can't find ready and willing investors, no formula can be generated to promise return on investment because nobody knows exactly what we're doing yet and how exactly it can be applied to society in a clear, thought out and thorough way. It just isn't possible yet, doesn't mean it isn't coming.
The camera work is eye-numbing.
TheAsianRepublican i liked it
This is a great display of humanity
Btw, talking about predictions. Before his invention of radio-communication became popular, Nicola Tesla wrote that in 100 years, everyone will use it to send "moving pictures", "photos", "audio" and "written words". He predicted the Internet exactly 100 years before it really started to take of. So yes, there are people "ahead of their time", but you won't find many of them in history. I can't think of more than two or three.
Krauss seems somewhat uninterested in being part of the conversation? Checking his iPhone, changing clothes...
Yeah he seems a little arrogant.
TheAsianRepublican yawning
No that was another guy
a bit late but, tbh he looks jet lagged or fighting off being ill
I have something to say: Krauss is a fuddy duddy physicist on the end of popularizers of physics who live off of selling books to dummies and is not willing to actually get his elbows dirty doing actual work and spews negative atheistic notions to dummies on RUclips along with Dawkins and Harris. Goertzl on the other hand represents the positive aspects of research and is actually backing up his words with his Hanson robots. He is the guy to put your money on. The guy in the middle???? Although, to be fair, physics is kind of stuck since "quantum mechanics". But how many are writing books with quantum in the title, selling to dummies who eat that crap up? Like Feynman said, no one understands quantum physics. I hope the youth out there will find this a challenge, not something written in stone, and will attempt physics for pleasure of learning. Although, AGI will probably be the best new thing and should be pursued with vigor. Personally, nanotech is going nowhere at the present mainly due to lack of interest and its inherent difficulties which are due to quantum understanding of micro particles. AGI will bring such leaps and bounds in all areas including nanotech and gene sequencing. I hope. Keep an open mind and follow your bliss, people!
Ben turned out to be alot more intelligible than I thought he would be.
Ben Goertzel said something about working on AI for computer games. I would like to know more about that.
I think it has a lot of potential for both making money and advancing AI.
The energy between Adam and Ben throughout most of the videos is interesting.
It's so interesting to see very brilliant people people like Ray Kurzweil and Lawrence Krauss talk about how they envision the future, though I have to say Kurzweil has quite a track record for predicting the future. Stay alive to find out what really happens.
I think Kurzweil wrote his own story on having a great track record??/// And now everyone believes it because if you look at his speeches they are all based on "I predicted this and now it has happened etc etc." "OK Ray I guess you did!"
I used the exact term "radio-communication", to distinguish it from the phenomenon of "electricity" and "magnetism". This is why Tesla also built the first wireless remote controls. It's a point-to-point or a broadcast approach; either way, that's what Tesla invented: wireless networking.
Do you have the video of Krauss doing the solo lecture he mentioned in this video?
Lawrence also mentioned something about he wanted to ask a question. I think he probably wanted to ask a question and kept getting ignored. He probably thought he was being discriminated against.
'Billy' Eduard Albert Meier (BEAM)
Radio used for whatever purpose, is applied use of the electromagnetic spectrum. Maxwell's genius was to show that electricity and magnetism were different manifestations of the same thing, his equations tell us all we need to know about this field, which includes visible and non-visible light etc. As acknowledged by Einstein, Maxwell was the originator of one of the greatest discoveries made by humankind. As I said, Tesla did not invent radio.
if you go to my channel and search his name you will find it, as well as another interview with him
Ray kurzwell is on record 87percent correct on bis technology predictions and he is a freind of ben
What on Earth happened at 52:04?
That's Ben friggin' Goertzel. He's only 'the' most intelligent researcher in Artificial Intelligence on the planet. Look up his research papers. I was asking myself how this Lawrence Krauss nerd made it on the panel as Goerztel tbh.
Pei Wang is his superior. Check out Open Nars AGI
Not entirely sure, the guy said some thing about discrimination and then losing $40 and then called Krauss an ignoramus. My best guess was that he took the comment about being very sceptical about the singularity personally and decided to make a scene.
Krauss, as a physicist, is making surprising claims! Sentience, aka predictive self-modeling, is exponential in its resource costs. These will saturate the singularity.
How come this guys are missing their white robes and pointed hats ?
Start at 49:37 and pay particularly close attention to what is said at 50:38. There is your answer. Nothing to do with the singularity unless you consider the heaviest weight holding back scientific progress in the fields of intelligence and biology relevant to the future.
This reminds me of that episode of The Simpsons where Homer goes back to university & gets indoctrinated into a group of nerds.
Mr Krauss, about predicting the internet. I'm afraid you are wrong. There was a polish si-fi author Stanislaw Lem (Solaris) who predicted internet, VR, and much more.
culture.pl/en/article/13-things-lem-predicted-about-the-future-we-live-in
Maxwell is a neglected genius..He predicted the existence of electromagnetic waves and their speed from theoretical considerations. Because the theoretical speed was the same as the measured speed of light he concluded light was an electromagnetic wave.
Based off work done by Heaviside who had it mostly figured out. Maxwell added the displacement term and everything unified.
coolest shirt ever
Because he's a smart guy and said some very insightful things. Don't be so judgemental.
I'm just kidding guys! It's all true!
Where's all the girls at?
oh my.. lawrence carries his phone in a holster on his belt :/
that's as bad as dawkins not knowing who bob marley is.
Gotta love those tanty runs.
Worst camera work ever since the Bing Bang. Based on Quantum uncertainty principle, i.e. you don't know where it is going to pint next.
Haha. On the other hand Lawrence Krauss has specifically predicted how the universe will end, so if anything qualifies someone for a panel on Predictions... :grin:
i didnt know my teacher would be on youtube, go away im trying to have a wacation. No just kidding, its fine heh
Tesla did good work but did not invent radio. Scottish physicist James Clerk Maxwell unified electricity and magnetism from which radio evolved.
Then Heinrich Hertz took Maxwell's work and produced the first electromagnetic radiation device (radio). Marconi took this work and made it bigger so he was not the inventor either.
Today we honour Hertz by using his name as the word describing the frequency of radio oscillation (Hertz). Frequency was previously described as cycles-per-second.
Thanks for the vid :-)
The computerised world models individual AI machines are experiencing and nurturing in, before uploading to a robot, will be beneficial for human children to also learn in - maybe using VR tech. Physics realism is always advancing in amazing ways.
A cycle..As we benefit from the sharing of info by, using AI tech within the deep data; hence we provide better feedback (DATA) for the better calculable accuracy towards harmony of all entities involved.
And as mathematical methods improve at accuratly recognising the probability of where the majority of any quantum fields are, we may be able to design technology to manipulate some of the building blocks.
OK
haha i dont know why but its pretty obvious that lawrance rather wanted to be somewhere else than this one...
This would have been better if Lawrence Krauss was not in it.
i think Krauss' more skeptical position benefited the discussion
24++ Ben: Quantum computing is foreign to the way the mind does things? Still think that? How is it even possible?
30+ New measurement technology key to rapid advancement. Working on that in HQR - human quantum relativity.
44: "Some unlikely thing is almost certain to happen. It's just difficult to know what that is." 😵
Yep, mostly the perils of fantasy land ideas...
I hope this is some sort of irony
I like him (Krauss), but all he does is extrapolate a possible future from existing and KNOWINGLY FALSE AND INCONSISTENT data. Yes, stuff like Dark Matter, Dark Energy, that little tiny thing with that Multi-Verse hypothesis that David Deutsch envisioned, etc... Basically, all he's always doing is talking about an UNCERTAIN FUTURE, knowing that his predicitons will fail (see his an Hawking's predictions regarding the Higgs Boson) but that in 10 years, given new data, he can change the prediction
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Regardless of the weirdness from the mad no question guy, the strange submissiveness of Krauss, and the Australian qwaysteeons I couldn't parse, I think I like this video a lot more than the doomsday fearing zionist tabloids. Who are those zionists and why do they appear to be an assembly? Chomsky btw doesn't know any more about the singularity than I do.
AI is the end of humanity.
+Vector Shift Not yet. Do you think it's a sure thing that AI will end humanity? By this do you mean extinction? So I am not sure what you mean by 'end humanity' (humanity could transform and become post-human, which arguably for many it would be a good thing).
+Adam Ford "Do you think it's a sure thing that AI will end humanity? "
Yes
" By this do you mean extinction? "
Yes, although it will begin with humans being relegated to being useless baggage to vastly superior minds. Humans won't comprehend the science or art produced, any more than chimpanzees doing quantum mechanics or discussing Shakespeare. Once the machines realize how much of their resources (they will control all resources) are spent on such a non-productive project herd reduction will begin. The wildlife preservation project will incur steady funding reductions. Less and less computing power will be allocated towards it's maintenance. Final termination will be a simple decision of minor cognitive significance.
"So I am not sure what you mean by 'end humanity' (humanity could
transform and become post-human, which arguably for many it would be a
good thing)."
That is another end of humanity. Whatever post-human means it means non-human. In general though it's hard to see how anything like current biology would compete with what we now call hardware. Maybe chemical computers will have some advantages over more mechanical ones and these will have a narrow role for some tasks, no need for biological bodies though.
Likely it's all just the natural evolution of intelligence.
John Malkovich
What? - You think that the machines are going to be super nice? Who is going to program them? The super rich trying to hang onto their privileged positions. That's getting off to a great start!
+Lee Garrett AI doesn't have to turn on us to end humanity, they will be vastly superior and humans obsolete. Eventually, or sooner, competition for resources will go to the strongest. If we have to resort to adding computers into our brains or genetic engineering to keep up the resulting life forms won't be human. How much computer power do you think that we would have to add to brains to make them equal to the supercomputers that will be developed, that will develop themselves? How much memory? How much processing power? A few scraps of wetware in a huge computer won't be human.
+Lee Garrett
_*if you could time travel back to the middle ages tell me that they
would call you a human as they know it we would seem alien to them*_
There have been virtually no change in the genetics over that time frame. With electronics genetics won't even matter in the future. The things that we will be replaced by won't be the products of natural evolution. It's a step outside everything we know from history - the end of natural evolution as well. More profound than the rise of human intelligence.
tl;dw Now all predictions are crap and I don't like em, with that being said heres a bunch of predictions.
vp[e[ogo Go on, dive in - give us some predictions
I predict this prediction is wrong. ;)
+Adam Ford I predict someone will die tomorrow, I predict someone will be born tomorrow, and I predict you'll read this :)
+rap attacker Sure - though they are not really novel predictions, like the prediction that the earth will still be rotating around the sun this time next year.
Some good predictions are wrong, but useful. lesswrong.com/lw/m0m/16_types_of_useful_predictions/
These guys are bunch of guys who are well versed in the technology and science their contribution seems to be sit there and do nothing.
Ben is the man!