It was obviously just an excuse to get Faye involved. But it makes Katerina deciding to go out in a blaze of glory a little weirder when she's no longer a poor girl that has just lost her last chance at a better life, and has no other options but death, prison, and her increasingly unstable boyfriend. When I know she's got some rich dad out there and that Spike would totally help her out because she's not his target ... the suicide loses a bit of its impact
@@TheJadedJames I'm not super keen on the added backstory as well, it removes some of the nuance the original had, but I feel like it's worth mentioning that Netflix Katarina didn't exactly have it easy considering her dad was abusive. Her anime counterpart is still superior in my opinion, after all being a poor woman trying and failing to build a better life hits harder, but to Netflix's credit, the message still stands here. Katarina is a woman who was born into an unforgiving environment, and despite her best efforts of rebuilding a new life and a stable family, she ultimately fails. I will say though, it did seem like a cheap way to get Faye involved.
I don’t understand what is so hard about writing a bad-ass female character that’s actually already been written before. Faye should be gorgeous, witty, charming, and manipulative. Masculinity and femininity have nothing to do with it. This is just purely vulgar with for no reason at all. You have Ripley from Alien in live-action as one of the greatest bad-ass characters who happens to be a female, and you have the same with Faye in anime. Zero vulgarity in either of them. Saying “fuck” every two seconds with a shit-eating grin on your face might be cool to elementary schoolers, but not in the real world.
The big issue is that they introduced her too early. The whole casino scenario lets you see things from her perspective and puts you on her side. Spike and Faye develop a friendly rivalry which is key because of how close they become at the end of the series. But this version of Faye is just annoying
@@TheJadedJames Exactly. She appeared in episode 3 and 4 which showed her more of a con artist who went by different names and had a lot of debt. She just happened to believe Spike was the said person who was supposed to lose to her in poker but he wasn't and the two ended up having a friendship a long with Jet. It's really dumb how they brought her in episode 1 and changed even Katrina being afraid of her lover which she wasn't she really did love him and wanted to go to Mars but end since he was too addicted to enhanced drug which she killed him in their ship while she got gunned down by the police. The whole first episode set the mood of the series and spike being humble but laid back and lazy as well wise at the same time.
@@davidmarrero9608 It is even weirder because Faye doesn't appear in the second episode at all! Why throw her in here early only to not use her after that and I assume just go back to something more resembling her introduction in the original. Why not just stick to the way it was done before and not show Faye at all until there is time to do an entire story just about her?
I feel bad for John Cho because that man is acting his ****inh heart out. But like ... the most important person that is supposed to be there for him to play off of was fumbled
Fans: “Netflix, repeat after me: Strong. Female. Character.” Netflix: strong female character Fans: “now say it on your own” Netflix: childish woman who swears every few sentences to show how tough she is
If you’ve seen the anime you know Faye’s epic introduction… And if you do, it makes you beyond infuriated at this. They massacred my girl and did her so dirty.
Problem is, we've seen the story with Asimov before, and it was done better in the original. They took the unforgettable and shocking moment at the end, and changed it so it was overly dramatic, and drawn out. Not to mention boring, since we already know what happens.
@@DoBap_ They also stripped the two of meaning as to why they were on the run. The woman wanted to go to Mars, and they just make her a criminals daughter here.
Wow Faye is insufferable in this. In the anime she was tough but in a feminine way. She was charming, seductive, manipulative, and smart. Essentially Ada Wong from Resident Evil. In this she just too in your face, profane and masculine. She lacks all the charm of the original.
100% well said. Like, why is she acting like that? They “stuck to the resources and know the characters,” but why is Faye not acting like she does in the anime?
@@vig1lante I get what they're saying... Its not about how she looks or anything, its her demeanor. Nothing wrong with masculine women characters, but that's not Faye. Im not hating too hard, Ill prob enjoy it but somethings off with her. She doesn't have that same seductive feminine charm Faye had which she used to manipulate. And Faye was annoying and rude, but kind of in a whiney way. This Faye seems less superficially charming and more in-your-face , like they said
or even have a call back to the role John Cho played in star trek as Mr Sulu, where she calls him tiny only to have him Judo Flip her and say dont call me tiny
@@henrytomas hey just proves it wasnt written by fans who understand the characters and how they would react in a situation like that 'plus look at how spike handled that girl who had a pistol on him in the movie knocking on heavens door with the mop, spike here should be no problem with her lol hell old real spike would probably easily Sideshow bob this b'itch lol
There is literally nothing here that tells us we are in a Sci Fi setting or even on a different planet. If you told me this was a show about bounty hunters in Cuba or Latin America, I genuinely would have believed you
you havent seen the anime have you? thats the aesthetic of the anime, humans have discovered terraforming and space travel but everything still looks more or less like the modern era. this is exactly like the anime. i mean just look at spikes outfit from the anime, this aint some star wars shit.
@@RaimonTarou have YOU watched the anime? Yeah the setting for the anime wasn't 'star wars shit' but it at least had subtle elements that would remind you that the setting was in space, eg, in the first episode they're at a gas station for rocketships.
Wow. Just wow. When Daniella Pineda got casted and everyone gave her shit because her body type wasn’t like Faye’s I defended her since despite that difference she could still capture Faye’s essence. When they revealed the outfits I critiqued the outfits while still defending Pineda because an outfit isn’t the core trait of a performance; the anime outfit looks good, but seeing it live-action would just seem like a cosplay. Case in point, Jet and Spike’s Netflix outfits are near 1-to-1 recreations of the anime outfits, and they look like cosplays rather than real outfits. I defended Pineda through a lot of the shitstorm, but finally seeing her in action, fuck she sucks as Faye. Faye isn’t a quippy girlboss. She’s underhanded, manipulative, sarcastic, dry, clever, etc. Netflix Faye will rob you at gunpoint while making snide little comments. Anime Faye will lure you in with her sweet-nothings while she picks your pocket. If Anime Faye is outmatched, she will instigate a fight among the big guys and slip out the back while they’re distracted. She’s a scrapper, she’s a survivor. She’s vulnerable. She’s lonely. There is simply so much depth to Faye’s character and Pineda did not capture it at all. That being said, Pineda’s character isn’t bad. She worked as best she could with the material she was given. If this was some other show, name it Spaceguy Rocksteady, and Pineda was playing some other character, name her Holly Halloween, I’d probably want to see more of her. But as it stands, this simply isn’t Faye, and what they delivered wasn’t worth the price of admission. Rebooters really need to stop disrespecting the fans when making this shit or else it’ll keep flopping.
If Faye has to pull a gun, it's only because her con has gone sideways. Faye would already be out the door and across town before you realized you've been had.
Listen to the song those of us uber-fans know at 1:00 and realize how *_it just doesn't fit_* It feels like you're only throwing us Memberberries, Cowboy Bebop, when I'd rather have actual love.
You described anime Faye perfectly, I wish the writers knew how deep she really is instead of giving us this shallow interpretation. They really didn't understand what made Bebop so great did they?
Netflix's idea of a strong female character is a female character that acts like a vulgar dude. Faye was a seductress, a Femme Fatale, a darn good pilot, an expert in escaping capture, and a damn good bounty hunter who melded unto criminal circles to get close to her target. Faye rarely ever needs to shoot anybody: fights and gunplay was all Spike. Faye was strong in all the areas where Spike wasn't. And why introduce Faye this early? The 1st episode served the purpose of establishing the world, the character's of Spike and Jet, a brief look at their relationship and occupation, showing their skillsets, and establishing the tone of the series. Taking away Fayes episode on the Casino takes away from Faye's introduction to her personality and skill set. Instead, they cram it all here in the first episode, which just overloads the views brain with information they don't quite need yet. I really had to push through after the 0:20 mark, because Faye's actress is annoying, vulgar, and way the he'll out there. She tops Netflix Radical Ed as being one of the worst actresses in this show. Honestly, just watch the original, because thus adaptation is an embarrassment.
Over twenty years ago, we get two episodes demonstrating what a bad ass Spike is, and in the third episode we see Faye easily outwit him and the gangsters who previously had her own the ropes. And she had far more personality than just being rude
@@TheJadedJames They also made Faye save Spike and Jet during the last episode of the Netflix adaptation and her one liner was so cringy. In the anime it was Faye who got kidnapped, but now in American entertainment it's considered bad to have a Male save a female, so they gotta make the female be empowered and the men incompetent.
@@thegreatachiever4651 It is weird because in the original just because Faye got kidnapped that one time didn’t really make her an invalid, she got in over her head as part of the dangerous job she works. How many times would Spike have probably died without his friends stepping in? The episode also basically had to just make a different female character get kidnapped for the same scenario to work. And of course, throughout most of the new series Julia is basically trapped in an abusive relationship with Vicious, but in the original version, she escaped him on her own
@@mo-sl4bj They were a bunch of man babies who complained her costume wasn’t sexually provocative enough. But I’ve seen the actual show now, and the costume isn’t the only change. This version of the Faye is lame
@@chief8268 I disagree. The only Faye was a charming, suave, femme fatale. This Faye is not. She's an f word spewing annoying woke feminist. Also costume's wrong and physique is wrong. Not to be pendantic about it.
I was hanging in there to see if they caught their vibe, I loved all the nods to the movie in the beginning. This scene, this actress playing Faye, caused me to turn it off and think about life. They had SUCH a badass female character written, seductive, cunning, manipulative, and in the sake of god only knows they try and turn her into this garbage…. Nah, I’ll rewatch the original for like the 200th time.
John Cho was the best thing in this. I don't mind him being older, it's always been a bit unrealistic how young Spike was in the original given how much life he's lived. Shame almost everything else sucked
@@meris8486 I mean 25 is enough time to experience what spike did in the anime. John is almost 50, even though he looks like a young adult in their late 30s, that’s still too old to play spike and embody the character into a live action format. Unless you don’t care about accuracy, it matters to a lot of people.
@@offtheshelfET I guess it the Ricky and Morty effect (or whatever you call using curse words to try to build character and be humorous) translated to live action.
i've never seen bebop i'm currently binge watching the live action and i do not like faye so far she's probably different in the anime but her character's terrible in the live action
Just gonna say it. The original Cowboy Bebop had no f words in it. Not a single one. There was some minor swearing gore and IMPLIED sexuality, mostly in Faye's sexy costumes. And it was classy. This.....this is utter crap.
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026 Let's agree to disagree. But you know what, dude? I respect your opinion. What's an underrated anime in your opinion? Outlaw Star?
@@steveandjeanniefrith236 Three off the top of my head. Nichijou is one, that unfortunate 2011 earthquake happening around the time of its airing really fucked it up. FMA from Chapter one to the final, is still one of the best manga's i've ever read. It definitely should be a contender. And finally season 1 of Asobi Asobase is still god tier.
01:46 instead of the beautiful side by side ship stare exchange over water and into space, she’s driving off in a shitbox slowly while spike points a gun at her.
I’m pretty sure this was supposed to be the scene where Asimov chokes Spike from behind and has him lying there staring as they drive off but your point still stands. This shit sucks
It is so weird watching Faye have a teenaged boy’s potty mouth where in the anime feigning classiness was her thing. She was a con artist, she was actually good at getting people to like her. The Faye Valentine of the anime would have tried to trick Spike into letting her take Katerina and it would have become a battle of wits
@@TheJadedJames And honestly that's what makes the original a much better and deeper character. It's not just "honk honk titty time" just because she's showing more skin. She's able to outthink you in a flash and leave you holding an empty bag before you know what hit you. That is a cool character, not some little sawed off chick with blue hair and a dumpster vocabulary.
They literally retrofit dialogue from the original show to make this version of Faye smug and dopey, instead of like ... you know ... smart. Like when she's negotiating her cut for helping with the eco terrorists. On Netflix, she's like "How about a 60/40 split, going my way of course" ... versus on original version where Jet says "60/40" and Faye is like "Fine. I get the 60!" Even in simple interactions like that, she's not only more humorous and likable, she felt like a hustler and not just a smug asshole that Spike and Jet would have just kicked off the ship
@@TheJadedJames The show is making me appreciate the anime that much more. Its been a while so I'm about to watch the original again to get the taste out of my mouth. I'm ready to carry that weight one more time.
@@Shadow-gm9ct maybe, but then I'd be criticizing her poor acting abilities either way. You can simp and blame the script all you want. Hypotheticals don't change anything
I think the only decent thing about this was John Cho’s acting. He’s actually a pretty good cast for Spike. But that’s it. The rest feels very off to me.
jet is a ten for his part. faye is bad and john cho i love as a actor but doesn't fit well. the fight choreographer was horrible. i couldn't stand watching another episode after that. everything was off in the fights. the talking. GREAT. i love jet and spike talking. but the fights... it hurts to watch.
@@SaguraXSousuke if it wasn't for the fights I'd love it too. I'm glad you like it tho. I really wanted to like it once I saw a clip of them being at a bar the bidei joke had me laughing.
I already know that I'll get down-voted to HECK for this, but *WHY* is it that _anytime_ Hollywood tries to write a "strong" female, they always make us obnoxious, abrasive, combative, JERKS?? Faye wasn't like this in the anime. She was feminine, seductive, snake-like, and used her appearance and her voice to sway others to her whims. *WHY* is being feminine seen as _"offensive?"_ Scratch that. It's only "offensive" to be feminine if you are _female._ If anyone else does it, it's considered "empowering."
@@mo-sl4bj: You used to be able to put thumbs down on RUclips and it would show underneath a person's comment. Sadly, I think they removed it just like they removed the dislikes because people are soft and easily get their feelings hurt.
They are the same people who bash "toxic masculinity," but then they try to imprint those same supposed traits into a "strong female" because they think that's what audiences like. Then they go SURPRISED PIKACHU when people don't respond well to it. Essentially, to me, their idea of a "strong female" is to make a glorified man who is in a woman's body.
@@nothingreallyrhymeswithora9377 unfortunately, in practice, many people like this sort of female character, apparently. Action movies had them being like this since early 2000s
Ugh, why pretend you'll get "down-voted to HECK" when you're just saying something that literally everyone else in the comments is saying?! Like, this isn't an unpopular opinion.
oh wow its so cool! i used to like faye because of her unique characteristics that set her apart from the other two members of the crew. and how those even went into how she did the job. but now shes just like the boys and can throw down with the rest of them and thats empowering! If only a bunch of people were standing there clapping and yelling 'yasss queen slayyyy' so we the audience know even more how cool and bad ass and awesome and as tough as the boys she is. Great job netflix you didnt turn this into sanitized empty swill at all!
I don’t understand why fight scenes in 2021 still continue to have so many jump cuts. There should be a rule That all fight scenes have to be one take from now on
Fight scenes with actors who have little to no martial arts training in real life need jump cuts so they don't hurt themselves or each other accidentally.
That's not Spike. Probably the director's fault. And the writers. Not Spike's way of talking or acting; just having his hand in his pockets and capturing his stance is likr 5% of it
Okay, John Cho does a good job, all things considered. And its nice to have Yoko Kanno around to do the music. Thats about all the positives I can give.
1:13 those are some of the worst movements I’ve seen in a fight even the roll feels lazy. I don’t need to explain why just look at the fights in Karate Kid and Shang-Chi
It’s so slow. It’s like they were still trying to get the performance down and practicing but didn’t realise it was actually being filmed. The anime the movements when there are fight scenes are fluid and flowing, and honestly to a certain extent could be replicated in live action with proper choreography and have solid speed to it. This is just….. very bad.
@@Joshua-fr1xp nope got nothing to do with that at all, while the movements in the anime are more fluid quite a few in cowboy bepop are based on jeet kune do the martial art Bruce Lee invented and definitely not out of the realm of implausibility to be done in reality and there has been many fight scenes in movies that reach an almost anime quality in terms of movement and how everything flows really smoothly. Every single movement in this clip could 100% be done a lot faster, a lot more fluid and easily be handled in a way where they don’t look so stiff and like they are still practicing.
@@TheKnight212 No, they couldn't. There isn't one live action film that comes remotely close to animated style fighting. You want something that isn't realistically possible. No human is fighting like a character that was hand drawn and shown through animated cinema. And by that I mean insanely fast and fluid movements/combative motions. It defies the laws of physics. The sooner you understand and accept that, the better. Goodnight.
This actress is definitely being saved by RUclips removing the dislikes. Nothing against her. But the showrunners definitely were WAY off the mark with the character. The actress was horribly cast.
In the anime, Spike kicks Asimov’s ass while he’s hyped up on super human combat drugs. No one is saying Faye isn’t a bad ass in her own right, and we’ve seen her get the better of Spike/Jet before. But there is no freaking away she should be able to last 10 seconds against Spike in close quarters combat. Absolutely no way
We live in the age of the “girl boss” where women have to be flawless and can put the mAlEs in their places. It’s insufferable and leads to shallow characters and shallow writing.
Ik the outfit wasn’t exactly the same but they did capture Faye’s original colors so I can live with that but it just seems with her acting she is trying to hard to be intimidating. Praise John Cho though he did a great job as Spike.
Honestly, I was initially kind of neutral to the outfit change. But now it feels awkward in its attempt to stray far but not too far from the cartoon. Faye possibly needed to redesign closer to Claire and Jill in the Resident Evil games. But the trick would be for NOT to come off as a borish tomboy, and to keep the femme fatale vibe because she’s supposed to be more Ada than Jill
It's clear they never even watched the show, and just had someone give them the cliff notes. Apart for looking nothing like Faye, she doesn't even act like her. This is Han Solo in the Bebop universe, not Faye Valentine.
Wow. I hope that Netflix ships out a vial of pain killers to everyone whose watch this "faithful" adaptation, because this scene alone was quite painful to watch.
The weird thing is this could've worked if the characters weren't supposed to be in _Cowboy Bebop._ If it had just been some other weird random sci-fi show this would all be jake. You'd barely have to change the costumes all that much either.
@@marvthemartian001ok so how i know she was a lesbian? well she had sex with the mechanic jet hired on episode 5 or 6 and she said that's the first time she ever had an orgasm after her cyro sleep the mechanic was a woman so i thought she might be a lesbian
Got to admit, I thought this was Asimov like the anime. Then it panned out and I knew this show was going to be a whole different kettle of fish . . . And I love it.
Were it not for the purple hair, I don't think the audience would have any reason to even assume this is Faye based on this introduction scene. She's nothing like Faye in appearance, speech, mannerisms, etc. Since when was Faye a martial artist? Since when was Faye a martial artist anywhere near skilled enough to hold her own against Spike of all people? Faye's biggest assets were always her charm and her cunning. When she got the better of the Bebop crew in the anime it was with her wits, not by trying to wrestle Spike to the ground. I don't even see a trace of that persona here.
Whedonspeak is all over Cowboy Bebop, especially whenever Faye Valentine talks. In particular, the scene when Faye is handcuffed to the Bebop’s toilet in its opening episode has that particular veneer of insincerity that is endemic to this style of dialogue, especially when it’s done badly. The characters aren’t talking to each other-they’re speaking in quips and asides, lines meant to make the audience laugh more than they’re meant to convey who these characters are. It isn’t that there aren’t occasions where characters should act detached or sarcastic in Cowboy Bebop. It’s just that when every character is this detached, all the time, it’s alienating. These characters aren’t being detached for a reason, but saying quippy things because it is the most clever or writerly way to say them. These are things you might put on a graphic T-shirt, not the way that fully defined characters react.
@@uncensored008 It is sad this has become Whedon’s legacy. Because if you look at something like Serenity or Avengers 1, they are scripts unmistakably written with his style of dialogue. But he is usually a lot better at walking a certain razor’s edge than a lot people imitating that style by desperately trying to inset wit they don’t have into what would be otherwise straightforward dialogue
damn i really wanted spike to chase them down in his swordship with road to the west by seatbelts playing like in the anime. the chaos and the calmness was the most beautiful dichotomy in the first episode. i was in awe. i really wish i had a pair of fresh eyes so i can watch cowboy bebop for the first time again.
Oh look, another film or show where a woman can fight a man to a draw despite the large difference between training and experience. Naturally, the man only counters and parries while the woman gets easy shots in on his balls. All with about a dozen shots between each movement because fight choreography is beyond modern filmmakers. Same shit. Different studio.
This was the moment the writers screw the series. First stupid decision. Now Faye is not a thief, she’s a bounty hunter too. Oh and she can fight a trained assassin in hand to hand combat. 🤦🏻♂️
The actress is a real piece of work in real life. She forced to studio to let her redesign the wardrobe and I'm sure she's the reason why Faye was allowed to say "fuck" every minute she's on screen....
They made her so toxic and woke. She could never fight spike and relied on her wits in the anime. This is not how you do anime to live action. I feel so bad for the actor who plays spike
Me and my sister watched the first three episodes last night (We were tearing it apart) and we noticed that there were a lot of shots where the camera was tilting I mean, the tilting was so distracting that we made a drinking game out of it
So her strong female character trait is cursing every few lines?
Bravo, Netflix
They made her ghetto asf doing that 💀 Faye in the anime is so much better
i mean, dont we all cuss like that ?
@@GothKaida No, we don't
@@jamessunderland834 well fucking shit 🤷🏽♂️ i don’t fucking know then lmao
@@GothKaida This remake thinks adding constant swearing and blood makes it more adult when really it does the opposite
Making Katerina some rich kid runaway undermines the whole point of her and Asimov stealing the redeye to sell it and escape to Mars.
She doesn't have her dad's money
It was obviously just an excuse to get Faye involved. But it makes Katerina deciding to go out in a blaze of glory a little weirder when she's no longer a poor girl that has just lost her last chance at a better life, and has no other options but death, prison, and her increasingly unstable boyfriend. When I know she's got some rich dad out there and that Spike would totally help her out because she's not his target ... the suicide loses a bit of its impact
@@TheJadedJames I'm not super keen on the added backstory as well, it removes some of the nuance the original had, but I feel like it's worth mentioning that Netflix Katarina didn't exactly have it easy considering her dad was abusive. Her anime counterpart is still superior in my opinion, after all being a poor woman trying and failing to build a better life hits harder, but to Netflix's credit, the message still stands here. Katarina is a woman who was born into an unforgiving environment, and despite her best efforts of rebuilding a new life and a stable family, she ultimately fails. I will say though, it did seem like a cheap way to get Faye involved.
@@TheJadedJames she doesn't have her dad's money
The episode made it very clear they want to run to Mars, dont bitch for the sake of bitching
Netflix, not every character is Deadpool.
Or is written by Josh Whedon
@@tylerjames805 Is he still popular? I thought people hated him now. Making The Nevers didn't help him either.
@@steveandjeanniefrith236 True, but he did help popularize this kind of writing.
@@uncensored008 True.
Faye was never this toxic
Bullshit! Faye conned her way on to the team despite Spike not wanting anything to do with her.
@@deathbykonami5487 I meant the way she talks
Death by konami Aaaand? How does that make Anime Faye toxic??
I'm sorry, but ot is you who's talking BS.
Faye "i'm ghetto,bitch!"
I don’t understand what is so hard about writing a bad-ass female character that’s actually already been written before. Faye should be gorgeous, witty, charming, and manipulative. Masculinity and femininity have nothing to do with it. This is just purely vulgar with for no reason at all. You have Ripley from Alien in live-action as one of the greatest bad-ass characters who happens to be a female, and you have the same with Faye in anime. Zero vulgarity in either of them. Saying “fuck” every two seconds with a shit-eating grin on your face might be cool to elementary schoolers, but not in the real world.
The big issue is that they introduced her too early. The whole casino scenario lets you see things from her perspective and puts you on her side. Spike and Faye develop a friendly rivalry which is key because of how close they become at the end of the series. But this version of Faye is just annoying
@@TheJadedJames Exactly. She appeared in episode 3 and 4 which showed her more of a con artist who went by different names and had a lot of debt. She just happened to believe Spike was the said person who was supposed to lose to her in poker but he wasn't and the two ended up having a friendship a long with Jet. It's really dumb how they brought her in episode 1 and changed even Katrina being afraid of her lover which she wasn't she really did love him and wanted to go to Mars but end since he was too addicted to enhanced drug which she killed him in their ship while she got gunned down by the police. The whole first episode set the mood of the series and spike being humble but laid back and lazy as well wise at the same time.
@@davidmarrero9608 It is even weirder because Faye doesn't appear in the second episode at all! Why throw her in here early only to not use her after that and I assume just go back to something more resembling her introduction in the original. Why not just stick to the way it was done before and not show Faye at all until there is time to do an entire story just about her?
They really did nerf spike...
@@wn6694 They nerfed Vicious more. This new version of Vicious is a travesty
Wow, the acting is so jarring cause John Cho is the only one who is actually decent in this scene.
I feel bad for John Cho because that man is acting his ****inh heart out. But like ... the most important person that is supposed to be there for him to play off of was fumbled
@@TheJadedJames It's so depressing that the only characters with remotely any chemistry in this abomination is Spike and Jet.
You're being hyperbolic
@@BuffaloBlack Oh yes, forgive me. Ein is fantastic with everybody and a superior actor.
@@TheJadedJames he's a great actor but a little too old to be Spike. The actor for Jet isn't bad either
Faye's personality is offputting af.
You'll be alright
@@righteousrawb7225but this show wont be lol
Fans: “Netflix, repeat after me: Strong. Female. Character.”
Netflix: strong female character
Fans: “now say it on your own”
Netflix: childish woman who swears every few sentences to show how tough she is
If you’ve seen the anime you know Faye’s epic introduction…
And if you do, it makes you beyond infuriated at this.
They massacred my girl and did her so dirty.
I kinda wish it was like the anime as the asimov episode really set the tone for the anime in it's storytelling and atmosphere
Problem is, we've seen the story with Asimov before, and it was done better in the original.
They took the unforgettable and shocking moment at the end, and changed it so it was overly dramatic, and drawn out. Not to mention boring, since we already know what happens.
@@DoBap_ They also stripped the two of meaning as to why they were on the run. The woman wanted to go to Mars, and they just make her a criminals daughter here.
@@sundowner4076...she wants to go mars in this adaptation of the episode too, it was literally their whole plan
This version of Faye is grating af and so far removed from the source material.
Wow Faye is insufferable in this. In the anime she was tough but in a feminine way. She was charming, seductive, manipulative, and smart. Essentially Ada Wong from Resident Evil. In this she just too in your face, profane and masculine. She lacks all the charm of the original.
How is that masculine
no way in hell that's masculine.
100% well said. Like, why is she acting like that? They “stuck to the resources and know the characters,” but why is Faye not acting like she does in the anime?
@@vig1lante I get what they're saying... Its not about how she looks or anything, its her demeanor. Nothing wrong with masculine women characters, but that's not Faye. Im not hating too hard, Ill prob enjoy it but somethings off with her. She doesn't have that same seductive feminine charm Faye had which she used to manipulate. And Faye was annoying and rude, but kind of in a whiney way. This Faye seems less superficially charming and more in-your-face , like they said
I don’t get what you mean by masculine but I agree with everything else. All her charm was lost
0:07
Even I could come up with a more Faye line for this scene, something like "quite the charmer, but haven't you heard of ladies first?"
or even have a call back to the role John Cho played in star trek as Mr Sulu, where she calls him tiny only to have him Judo Flip her and say dont call me tiny
Dude your line is actually 10x better than the original. I could actually hear that in Faye's voice too.
@@henrytomas hey just proves it wasnt written by fans who understand the characters and how they would react in a situation like that
'plus look at how spike handled that girl who had a pistol on him in the movie knocking on heavens door with the mop, spike here should be no problem with her lol
hell old real spike would probably easily Sideshow bob this b'itch lol
YESSS it doesn't seem that hard to me, the writers either didn't care to actually study the material or are just sucky writers.
faye didnt even belong in this scene in the first place. it ruined what the original anime set up with Katerina
are we all just gonna act like the person who posted this diddnt call spike "bebop"
Lmao!
Lol I love cowboy bebop, it’s that show about a cowboy named bebop 🤣😂🤣😂🤣
You officially made my day
There is literally nothing here that tells us we are in a Sci Fi setting or even on a different planet. If you told me this was a show about bounty hunters in Cuba or Latin America, I genuinely would have believed you
you havent seen the anime have you? thats the aesthetic of the anime, humans have discovered terraforming and space travel but everything still looks more or less like the modern era. this is exactly like the anime. i mean just look at spikes outfit from the anime, this aint some star wars shit.
Well watch the anime and you'll get a clue
@@RaimonTarou have YOU watched the anime? Yeah the setting for the anime wasn't 'star wars shit' but it at least had subtle elements that would remind you that the setting was in space, eg, in the first episode they're at a gas station for rocketships.
Mmy
So does this show. 🙄
@@Shadow-gm9ct
Tell me you never watched the anime without telling me you never watched the anime.
Wow. Just wow. When Daniella Pineda got casted and everyone gave her shit because her body type wasn’t like Faye’s I defended her since despite that difference she could still capture Faye’s essence. When they revealed the outfits I critiqued the outfits while still defending Pineda because an outfit isn’t the core trait of a performance; the anime outfit looks good, but seeing it live-action would just seem like a cosplay. Case in point, Jet and Spike’s Netflix outfits are near 1-to-1 recreations of the anime outfits, and they look like cosplays rather than real outfits. I defended Pineda through a lot of the shitstorm, but finally seeing her in action, fuck she sucks as Faye. Faye isn’t a quippy girlboss. She’s underhanded, manipulative, sarcastic, dry, clever, etc. Netflix Faye will rob you at gunpoint while making snide little comments. Anime Faye will lure you in with her sweet-nothings while she picks your pocket. If Anime Faye is outmatched, she will instigate a fight among the big guys and slip out the back while they’re distracted. She’s a scrapper, she’s a survivor. She’s vulnerable. She’s lonely. There is simply so much depth to Faye’s character and Pineda did not capture it at all.
That being said, Pineda’s character isn’t bad. She worked as best she could with the material she was given. If this was some other show, name it Spaceguy Rocksteady, and Pineda was playing some other character, name her Holly Halloween, I’d probably want to see more of her. But as it stands, this simply isn’t Faye, and what they delivered wasn’t worth the price of admission.
Rebooters really need to stop disrespecting the fans when making this shit or else it’ll keep flopping.
They reduced fey to the strong independent women archetype
If Faye has to pull a gun, it's only because her con has gone sideways.
Faye would already be out the door and across town before you realized you've been had.
She sucks as Faye, boring as hell. I think the better portrayed was Jet because Spike lacks of the original humour and attitude
Listen to the song those of us uber-fans know at 1:00 and realize how *_it just doesn't fit_*
It feels like you're only throwing us Memberberries, Cowboy Bebop, when I'd rather have actual love.
You described anime Faye perfectly, I wish the writers knew how deep she really is instead of giving us this shallow interpretation. They really didn't understand what made Bebop so great did they?
Netflix's idea of a strong female character is a female character that acts like a vulgar dude. Faye was a seductress, a Femme Fatale, a darn good pilot, an expert in escaping capture, and a damn good bounty hunter who melded unto criminal circles to get close to her target. Faye rarely ever needs to shoot anybody: fights and gunplay was all Spike. Faye was strong in all the areas where Spike wasn't.
And why introduce Faye this early? The 1st episode served the purpose of establishing the world, the character's of Spike and Jet, a brief look at their relationship and occupation, showing their skillsets, and establishing the tone of the series. Taking away Fayes episode on the Casino takes away from Faye's introduction to her personality and skill set. Instead, they cram it all here in the first episode, which just overloads the views brain with information they don't quite need yet.
I really had to push through after the 0:20 mark, because Faye's actress is annoying, vulgar, and way the he'll out there. She tops Netflix Radical Ed as being one of the worst actresses in this show. Honestly, just watch the original, because thus adaptation is an embarrassment.
Over twenty years ago, we get two episodes demonstrating what a bad ass Spike is, and in the third episode we see Faye easily outwit him and the gangsters who previously had her own the ropes. And she had far more personality than just being rude
@@TheJadedJames They also made Faye save Spike and Jet during the last episode of the Netflix adaptation and her one liner was so cringy.
In the anime it was Faye who got kidnapped, but now in American entertainment it's considered bad to have a Male save a female, so they gotta make the female be empowered and the men incompetent.
@@thegreatachiever4651 It is weird because in the original just because Faye got kidnapped that one time didn’t really make her an invalid, she got in over her head as part of the dangerous job she works. How many times would Spike have probably died without his friends stepping in? The episode also basically had to just make a different female character get kidnapped for the same scenario to work. And of course, throughout most of the new series Julia is basically trapped in an abusive relationship with Vicious, but in the original version, she escaped him on her own
@@TheJadedJames Yeah, this adaptation is so dumb.
@@mo-sl4bj They were a bunch of man babies who complained her costume wasn’t sexually provocative enough. But I’ve seen the actual show now, and the costume isn’t the only change. This version of the Faye is lame
God, this Faye is insufferable.
Faye is actually okay compare to Vicious and Julia...
@@chief8268 I disagree. The only Faye was a charming, suave, femme fatale. This Faye is not. She's an f word spewing annoying woke feminist. Also costume's wrong and physique is wrong. Not to be pendantic about it.
That's like comparing shit to a turd.
I was hanging in there to see if they caught their vibe, I loved all the nods to the movie in the beginning. This scene, this actress playing Faye, caused me to turn it off and think about life. They had SUCH a badass female character written, seductive, cunning, manipulative, and in the sake of god only knows they try and turn her into this garbage…. Nah, I’ll rewatch the original for like the 200th time.
This is the Live Action fans of this franchise deserve. Enjoy!
200 ? Those are rookie numbers we need to pump those numbers up
@@esketit1707 fuck the numbers
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026 Yes we get it you hate something that everyone else loves you’re so edgy and special and unique
@@tylerjames805 yes, keep seething, meng.
I like how Netflix's idea of "powerful woman" is just 'angry lesbian'
Call it what you will but jet was the only one that played his part somewhat accurate
Somewhat….from the little I watched I thought to myself how the hell could this Jet have been a cop?
the portrayal of ed was about as spot on as you could get but its just so cringe irl
Definitely the best of the 3
I'll call it you not being all that fuckin smart, and leave it at that
@@ThePartisan13 Anyone who watches Miranda sings have no right to shit on my intelligence
John's acting wasn't that bad, if only he were younger
The director is the problem men
It wasn't bad. He was given a trash script.
John Cho was the best thing in this. I don't mind him being older, it's always been a bit unrealistic how young Spike was in the original given how much life he's lived.
Shame almost everything else sucked
Tbf he didn’t watch the anime properly too.
@@meris8486 I mean 25 is enough time to experience what spike did in the anime. John is almost 50, even though he looks like a young adult in their late 30s, that’s still too old to play spike and embody the character into a live action format. Unless you don’t care about accuracy, it matters to a lot of people.
I can see why people are praising John Cho for Spike, but Faye's actress... I don't know if it's the directing or her, but it seems off.
There’s a lot more wrong with Faye than the actress. This is not even a remotely similar character.
@@offtheshelfET I guess it the Ricky and Morty effect (or whatever you call using curse words to try to build character and be humorous) translated to live action.
i've never seen bebop
i'm currently binge watching the live action and i do not like faye so far
she's probably different in the anime but her character's terrible in the live action
i like everyone else so far tho
@@offtheshelfET right lmao
Just gonna say it. The original Cowboy Bebop had no f words in it. Not a single one. There was some minor swearing gore and IMPLIED sexuality, mostly in Faye's sexy costumes. And it was classy. This.....this is utter crap.
The anime was overrated to hell and this hunk of shit is exactly what the franchises deserves.
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026 Fuck no. The anime is timeless. This show is just another piece of MODERN. WOKE. BULLSHIT.
@@steveandjeanniefrith236 Fuck yeah. Let it that overrated as fuck franchise burn and Netflix take a massive shit on it's corpse.
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026 Let's agree to disagree. But you know what, dude? I respect your opinion. What's an underrated anime in your opinion? Outlaw Star?
@@steveandjeanniefrith236 Three off the top of my head. Nichijou is one, that unfortunate 2011 earthquake happening around the time of its airing really fucked it up. FMA from Chapter one to the final, is still one of the best manga's i've ever read. It definitely should be a contender. And finally season 1 of Asobi Asobase is still god tier.
0:13 that forced "yyyyyeah". 😖
It's like she's trying to sound tough but just comes off as obnoxious instead.
01:46 instead of the beautiful side by side ship stare exchange over water and into space, she’s driving off in a shitbox slowly while spike points a gun at her.
I think anime was better
I’m pretty sure this was supposed to be the scene where Asimov chokes Spike from behind and has him lying there staring as they drive off but your point still stands. This shit sucks
That's not a "shitbox." I know you kids love your priuses and your Teslas, but that is what's commonly called American Muscle.
All the cussing really takes away the cool
It is so weird watching Faye have a teenaged boy’s potty mouth where in the anime feigning classiness was her thing. She was a con artist, she was actually good at getting people to like her. The Faye Valentine of the anime would have tried to trick Spike into letting her take Katerina and it would have become a battle of wits
@@TheJadedJames And honestly that's what makes the original a much better and deeper character. It's not just "honk honk titty time" just because she's showing more skin. She's able to outthink you in a flash and leave you holding an empty bag before you know what hit you. That is a cool character, not some little sawed off chick with blue hair and a dumpster vocabulary.
They literally retrofit dialogue from the original show to make this version of Faye smug and dopey, instead of like ... you know ... smart. Like when she's negotiating her cut for helping with the eco terrorists. On Netflix, she's like "How about a 60/40 split, going my way of course" ... versus on original version where Jet says "60/40" and Faye is like "Fine. I get the 60!" Even in simple interactions like that, she's not only more humorous and likable, she felt like a hustler and not just a smug asshole that Spike and Jet would have just kicked off the ship
@@TheJadedJames The show is making me appreciate the anime that much more. Its been a while so I'm about to watch the original again to get the taste out of my mouth. I'm ready to carry that weight one more time.
The fuck is a cuss
Lesson learned :
Ditch this live action and straight to the anime, the best way to enjoy Cowboy bebop.
Live action Faye is the most unengaging performance of this series. They should recast
Nor even a casting issue. Lice action Faye is just a bad character
Blame the director
@@mikeydluffy2718what about the writers and the actress
@@Shadow-gm9ct shitty script or not she's just not a great Faye
@@Shadow-gm9ct maybe, but then I'd be criticizing her poor acting abilities either way. You can simp and blame the script all you want. Hypotheticals don't change anything
I think the only decent thing about this was John Cho’s acting. He’s actually a pretty good cast for Spike. But that’s it. The rest feels very off to me.
Jet sounds like jet, makes me happy
The guy who plays as Jet is also good. I don't like the actress who plays Faye, she's so cringe.
jet is a ten for his part. faye is bad and john cho i love as a actor but doesn't fit well. the fight choreographer was horrible. i couldn't stand watching another episode after that. everything was off in the fights. the talking. GREAT. i love jet and spike talking. but the fights... it hurts to watch.
@@aionis562 Im only on ep 4
@@SaguraXSousuke if it wasn't for the fights I'd love it too. I'm glad you like it tho. I really wanted to like it once I saw a clip of them being at a bar the bidei joke had me laughing.
I already know that I'll get down-voted to HECK for this, but *WHY* is it that _anytime_ Hollywood tries to write a "strong" female, they always make us obnoxious, abrasive, combative, JERKS?? Faye wasn't like this in the anime. She was feminine, seductive, snake-like, and used her appearance and her voice to sway others to her whims. *WHY* is being feminine seen as _"offensive?"_
Scratch that. It's only "offensive" to be feminine if you are _female._ If anyone else does it, it's considered "empowering."
I get and I agree with what you are saying but wait, if men are acting feminine, it's considered empowering?
@@mo-sl4bj: You used to be able to put thumbs down on RUclips and it would show underneath a person's comment. Sadly, I think they removed it just like they removed the dislikes because people are soft and easily get their feelings hurt.
They are the same people who bash "toxic masculinity," but then they try to imprint those same supposed traits into a "strong female" because they think that's what audiences like. Then they go SURPRISED PIKACHU when people don't respond well to it. Essentially, to me, their idea of a "strong female" is to make a glorified man who is in a woman's body.
@@nothingreallyrhymeswithora9377 unfortunately, in practice, many people like this sort of female character, apparently. Action movies had them being like this since early 2000s
Ugh, why pretend you'll get "down-voted to HECK" when you're just saying something that literally everyone else in the comments is saying?!
Like, this isn't an unpopular opinion.
oh wow its so cool! i used to like faye because of her unique characteristics that set her apart from the other two members of the crew. and how those even went into how she did the job. but now shes just like the boys and can throw down with the rest of them and thats empowering! If only a bunch of people were standing there clapping and yelling 'yasss queen slayyyy' so we the audience know even more how cool and bad ass and awesome and as tough as the boys she is.
Great job netflix you didnt turn this into sanitized empty swill at all!
yasss queeeen slayyyyy, girlboss gaslight gatekeep ur way u don't need no man, you ARE the man now!!!😍😍😍
Couldn't have put it better myself.
@@mmymmy315 yooo 💀
U get yours girl!!! Empower!!! 🥰🥰🏳️🌈🌈
But always have a man with money to pay everything of course
Yup. And she shouldn't be able to even touch Spike here, FFS.
I don’t understand why fight scenes in 2021 still continue to have so many jump cuts. There should be a rule That all fight scenes have to be one take from now on
Fight scenes with actors who have little to no martial arts training in real life need jump cuts so they don't hurt themselves or each other accidentally.
@@Theomite then don't hire crappy actors
@@ivanvoronov3871 You mean crappy _fighters._
Whoa. I just realized John Cho was pulling his best Kevin Spacey impression in this scene. My word.
Like WHY TF do we keep giving Netflix so many chances?
That's not Spike. Probably the director's fault. And the writers. Not Spike's way of talking or acting; just having his hand in his pockets and capturing his stance is likr 5% of it
I took a shot for every time she cursed, I got drunk just from this scene alone
Okay, John Cho does a good job, all things considered. And its nice to have Yoko Kanno around to do the music.
Thats about all the positives I can give.
Daniella Pineda also has a good delivery of some bad to so so lines.
Nope everything in this show sucks don't defend itv
He's way too serious as Spike.
, but ya it might have been taken to far.
This is downright nasty and disrespectful to the original. 😂😂😂😂
Good. let them shit on the original.
@@above.average.gaming.natio3026 Bruh
@@AlphaDog26 ya
Tbh I think both of them are ok
@@lewa6984 nah
1:13 those are some of the worst movements I’ve seen in a fight even the roll feels lazy. I don’t need to explain why just look at the fights in Karate Kid and Shang-Chi
This feels more like a rehearsal for fight choreography then an actual fight. And since when was Faye a more competent fighter then Spike?
Wtf were they thinking
am I the only one who laugh when they randomly play Road to the West at 1:44 ? dunno but felt so abrupt guys!
It was all fine, until she pulled out the knife 🤣. It looks so awkward and stiff.
Bruh, the Power Rangers WHOOSHES whenever the knife moves even a little bit. Fox Kids Saturday Morning sound design.
It’s so slow. It’s like they were still trying to get the performance down and practicing but didn’t realise it was actually being filmed. The anime the movements when there are fight scenes are fluid and flowing, and honestly to a certain extent could be replicated in live action with proper choreography and have solid speed to it. This is just….. very bad.
@@TheKnight212 Probably because its anime, no real life human is gonna be as fluid as Animation.
@@Joshua-fr1xp nope got nothing to do with that at all, while the movements in the anime are more fluid quite a few in cowboy bepop are based on jeet kune do the martial art Bruce Lee invented and definitely not out of the realm of implausibility to be done in reality and there has been many fight scenes in movies that reach an almost anime quality in terms of movement and how everything flows really smoothly. Every single movement in this clip could 100% be done a lot faster, a lot more fluid and easily be handled in a way where they don’t look so stiff and like they are still practicing.
@@TheKnight212 No, they couldn't. There isn't one live action film that comes remotely close to animated style fighting. You want something that isn't realistically possible. No human is fighting like a character that was hand drawn and shown through animated cinema. And by that I mean insanely fast and fluid movements/combative motions. It defies the laws of physics. The sooner you understand and accept that, the better. Goodnight.
I’m not sure I’m a fan of this portrayal of Faye. Also spike would easily be able to take her. He’s nearly unbeatable in a fight.
Not unbeatable remember eds father
@@robertgarcia3645 and he nearly died to perriot
Yeah exactly like tf
Spike is most definitely not unbeatable in the anime.
@@mario167100 Yep. But still the idea of Faye holding her own against him in hand-to-hand combat is laughable.
Fans and Consumers: Netflix, do you want subscribers?
Netflix: Nah, we're good.
I don't remember Faye looking for Asimov too. She didn't appear until the casino episode in the original Cowboy Bebop.
It's horrible how someone could have watched Cowboy Bebop and thought they could "fix it" by turning it into this....
This is not how Faye is at all
This actress is definitely being saved by RUclips removing the dislikes. Nothing against her. But the showrunners definitely were WAY off the mark with the character. The actress was horribly cast.
You can still see them on mobile browsers. It's just around 250 dislikes and 230 likes
@@hipsterelephant2660 ouch
I hate the fight scenes. Honestly, Spike is supposed to be a Jeet Kune Do master. Why does he fight like he's moving at 4 frames a second?
The actual Faye from Cowboy Bebop would never, NEVER, let a woman, let alone PREGNANT, go back to her abusive father. No matter what the price.
Everyone’s talking about Faye’s personality, which I agree sucks, but can we talk about how Spike didn’t floor her in two seconds?
In the anime, Spike kicks Asimov’s ass while he’s hyped up on super human combat drugs. No one is saying Faye isn’t a bad ass in her own right, and we’ve seen her get the better of Spike/Jet before. But there is no freaking away she should be able to last 10 seconds against Spike in close quarters combat. Absolutely no way
@@TheJadedJames Exactly. I couldn’t have said it better myself.
We live in the age of the “girl boss” where women have to be flawless and can put the mAlEs in their places. It’s insufferable and leads to shallow characters and shallow writing.
Music?
Ik the outfit wasn’t exactly the same but they did capture Faye’s original colors so I can live with that but it just seems with her acting she is trying to hard to be intimidating. Praise John Cho though he did a great job as Spike.
Honestly, I was initially kind of neutral to the outfit change. But now it feels awkward in its attempt to stray far but not too far from the cartoon. Faye possibly needed to redesign closer to Claire and Jill in the Resident Evil games. But the trick would be for NOT to come off as a borish tomboy, and to keep the femme fatale vibe because she’s supposed to be more Ada than Jill
It's clear they never even watched the show, and just had someone give them the cliff notes. Apart for looking nothing like Faye, she doesn't even act like her. This is Han Solo in the Bebop universe, not Faye Valentine.
I'm sorry for the people have not seen the anime and have to watch this first
This will put them off the greatest anime ever
This is so awkward, feels more like a parody than a reboot.
Damn Spike. Your CQC has gotten sloppy.
You see that in the movies?
Wow. I hope that Netflix ships out a vial of pain killers to everyone whose watch this "faithful" adaptation, because this scene alone was quite painful to watch.
Holy slow motion fight
They try to make her as a serious femme fatale, but in the anime she's more like an easy going enchantress.
Am i the only one who thought it was kinda awkward how the soundtrack changed so suddenly when she locks eyes with spike as she drives away?
The weird thing is this could've worked if the characters weren't supposed to be in _Cowboy Bebop._ If it had just been some other weird random sci-fi show this would all be jake. You'd barely have to change the costumes all that much either.
Yo John was fucking smooth as Spike.
Everyone felt like supporting characters in a Supernatural episode.
so... faye's a lesbian for some reason? ok weird (not talking about this scene btw)
Where does it say she's lesbian?
you want spoilers?
@@marvthemartian001 cause as i said, it wasn't on this scene
@@xero9ravity150 yeah give me spoilers I really don't care about the show anyway
@@marvthemartian001ok so how i know she was a lesbian? well she had sex with the mechanic jet hired on episode 5 or 6 and she said that's the first time she ever had an orgasm after her cyro sleep
the mechanic was a woman so i thought she might be a lesbian
The way nostalgia critic feels about the 2016 ghostbusters movie is how I feel about this version of cowboy bebop
I'm guessing....kill it with fire?
Are they referring to Spike as "Bebop"? Did they even watch the anime? What am I saying, of course they didn't.
Got to admit, I thought this was Asimov like the anime. Then it panned out and I knew this show was going to be a whole different kettle of fish . . . And I love it.
0:10 - 0:13 That was the coolest camera shot of the episode.
And they put it in the trailer
Not really, it looked like a commercial more than film. All they did was move the camera and speed it up in post.
@Jason King i bet you think super bowl commercials are a masterpiece
The rest of them are okay or terrible (cringe).
So basically Amy Schumer style of acting. Vulgarity.
I still think John Cho was a strange choice for spike he’s in his 40s if I remember right but spike should be at least 25
John Cho is 51 and Spike is supposed to be 27
I don’t remember Faye cursing left and right in the anime
Were it not for the purple hair, I don't think the audience would have any reason to even assume this is Faye based on this introduction scene.
She's nothing like Faye in appearance, speech, mannerisms, etc. Since when was Faye a martial artist? Since when was Faye a martial artist anywhere near skilled enough to hold her own against Spike of all people?
Faye's biggest assets were always her charm and her cunning. When she got the better of the Bebop crew in the anime it was with her wits, not by trying to wrestle Spike to the ground.
I don't even see a trace of that persona here.
1:00 where to find this background music?
Whedonspeak is all over Cowboy Bebop, especially whenever Faye Valentine talks. In particular, the scene when Faye is handcuffed to the Bebop’s toilet in its opening episode has that particular veneer of insincerity that is endemic to this style of dialogue, especially when it’s done badly. The characters aren’t talking to each other-they’re speaking in quips and asides, lines meant to make the audience laugh more than they’re meant to convey who these characters are.
It isn’t that there aren’t occasions where characters should act detached or sarcastic in Cowboy Bebop. It’s just that when every character is this detached, all the time, it’s alienating. These characters aren’t being detached for a reason, but saying quippy things because it is the most clever or writerly way to say them. These are things you might put on a graphic T-shirt, not the way that fully defined characters react.
I hate Marvel for making Whedonspeak popular I miss sincere storytelling rather then just winks to the camera every 5 seconds
I called it Marvilizing but Whedonspeak is even better. They just keep shoehorning jokes where they don't belong.
@@uncensored008 It is sad this has become Whedon’s legacy. Because if you look at something like Serenity or Avengers 1, they are scripts unmistakably written with his style of dialogue. But he is usually a lot better at walking a certain razor’s edge than a lot people imitating that style by desperately trying to inset wit they don’t have into what would be otherwise straightforward dialogue
If you had watched more than just a few minutes of the first episode, you would see how wrong you are.
@@Ukaran I did. I made it half way through episode 3 before I gave up. The show is unwatchable. Welcome to the ouch, mother****er!
Having actually gone back and watched the original, I now see why people say this sucks
Spike: "Can I help you?"
Faye: "Yeah, you sunk my battleshit!!"
damn i really wanted spike to chase them down in his swordship with road to the west by seatbelts playing like in the anime. the chaos and the calmness was the most beautiful dichotomy in the first episode. i was in awe. i really wish i had a pair of fresh eyes so i can watch cowboy bebop for the first time again.
That’s not Faye. That’s not Spike.
I appreciate that the combat is readable but it feels so slow.
Why are the angles so bad?
Oh look, another film or show where a woman can fight a man to a draw despite the large difference between training and experience. Naturally, the man only counters and parries while the woman gets easy shots in on his balls. All with about a dozen shots between each movement because fight choreography is beyond modern filmmakers. Same shit. Different studio.
This was the moment the writers screw the series. First stupid decision. Now Faye is not a thief, she’s a bounty hunter too. Oh and she can fight a trained assassin in hand to hand combat. 🤦🏻♂️
Series looks nice
Remember when Hollywood could actually write Femme Fatales?
Strange, Japan never forgot how to.
Watched this scene turned it off. I don't know who ruined one the the best woman in anime but my goodness they need to stop.
Oooh that jiggle when the car pulls up...
Geez I thought the worst thing about Faye would be her outfit not her personality
The actress is a real piece of work in real life. She forced to studio to let her redesign the wardrobe and I'm sure she's the reason why Faye was allowed to say "fuck" every minute she's on screen....
Charles
Source: Your ass.
If that were the anime Faye would have never been able to put up that much of a fight I know she can fight but she’s not on Spike’s level
@0:04....there's not even a round in the chamber...the extractor is not even protruding out...it's flush to the slide.
They made her so toxic and woke. She could never fight spike and relied on her wits in the anime. This is not how you do anime to live action. I feel so bad for the actor who plays spike
1:00 is this an unreleased soundtrack?
Its weird watching the less murderous of the group try to murder spike
I really REALLY need to know who wrote this shit so I can stay far away from anything else they touch.
Yoko kanno's back!
Made a cover for the ending theme, The Real Folk Blues, on guitar
Camera angles are bad.
Me and my sister watched the first three episodes last night (We were tearing it apart) and we noticed that there were a lot of shots where the camera was tilting
I mean, the tilting was so distracting that we made a drinking game out of it
Why does the background music sound like it cam from My Singing Monsters?
Fayes a bit dykey and spikes too old to be rolling around. I think Jet was spot on though