In 1992, because of growing nationalist tensions in the government, Czechoslovakia was peacefully dissolved by parliament. On 1 January 1993 it formally separated into two independent countries, the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic.
Your interpretation of czech and slovak history is absolutely wrong. Our split was probably the most peaceful split ever. Creation of Czechoslovakia was achievement of both Czechs and Slovaks (no Russia involved!). We have very similar languages and many families are mixed. The rivalry between us is friendly and relation of our countries is the best. There are 67 Slovaks who play in the Czech league (Slovaks might refuse to be drafted to CZ??? What???). Only statemant you got right was how both countries produce good players...
I appreciate the information, Jakub, but Brent was going by what we have been told over the past couple of years by people from both countries. There seems to be quite a bit of disagreement from our perspective on if there is any conflict now or not. We can only go by what people tell us, and we've heard both sides of it.
@@Post2Post As far as I can tell, your point of view is shared by negligible minority of my fellow citizens. I am Czech and I never met anyone who would hate Slovaks. I have several Slovaks in my class and we make fun of each other, but nothing serious. When I visit Slovakia, they treat me like I was one of them. I guess there are people from both nations who dislike each other but it does not reflect the reality of common people.
I'd actually love to visit both countires in person some day so I can see both cultures first hand and do lots of exploring. I've always been a fan of both countries and the players they produce to the NHL.
@@Post2Post you would see basically one nation with almost everything same. Something like if you been in uk and go to scotland. And We Speak almost same language...
i would say that NHL team in UK wont be profitable venture. Sweden, Finland, Czech, Switzerland yes, you need 2 teams in Germany(money) and probably St.Petersburg (subject to Putin approval , unless he decides to let one of the moscow teams in(Spartak, Dynamo or CSKA). Regarding Norway, Denmark or Italy, their hockey markets are not big enough yet. And fyi there is no bad blood between Czech&Slovaks whatsoever, we very friendly and many slovak players play in Czech and vice versa:)
I think you do not have a very good understanding of the U.K Ice Hockey market over all I honestly do not know whare you get this idea that the U.K could not support an N.H.L teams. I strongly feel we could support two N.H.L teams in the U.K one in the North & one in the East Midlands that is classified as The South geographically. People would travel vast distances U.K wise to watch games trust me.
@@alanfox691 I lived in London for 10 years and never knew anyone who would known ice hockey and there was none in London. Nothing in papers ever. I mean snooker and darts will get quite a few attention beside the obvious soccer, cricket, rugby, horse racing or dogs, but ice hockey in England? It wouldnt even make top 20 i believe and 95% UK doesnt know what ice hockey is period. Field hockey yeah maybe:)
@@robertnaus88 London is not the entire U.K Ice Hockey is more a game popular from the East Midlands upwards whare Basketball in more popular in the south of the U.K so staying in London you would not see to much in the Newspapers myb if you had travelled about a bit more in the U.K you might have seen more coverage of the sport It is covered in Newspapers in many other parts of the U.K. To be honest I do not see there being an N.H.L team in Europe in the next 30 to 35 years In any shape or form for many reasons.
@@Bruh-jr2ep no eihän niitten tartte pelata samaan aikaan. Ja kyllä sitä lätkä yleisöä löytyy Suomesta vaikka kuinka paljon. Omasta mielestä siinä ei ole mitään järkeä että Jokerit tai mikä tahansa joukkue vietäisiin änäriin koska ne saa niin paljon enemmän rahaa siitä jos ne tekee uuden joukkueen (sillä eihän sitä omistajaa kiinnosta mikään muu kuin raha).
On the UK idea both Manchester and London have arenas with 17000 seats in the form of the Manchester arena and the O2 arena. The original storm (Pre 2003 bankrupcey) hold the UK attendance record for ice hockey at the Manchester arena of 17245.
1 thing to point out when reading EIHL Arena capacities on Wiki is that they are usually stated for concerts with fans standing on the ice. Belfast is significantly less than 11,000. It's more like 8,700 in a Hockey configuration. Sheffield is actually the biggest in hockey configuration at over 9,000 *insert meme*. Also fun fact for Manchester, they still hold the record biggest attendance of 17,245 as the city has a major arena, it's just far too big for EIHL hockey.
I would personally leave the KHL and the countries in or likely to join in the future for the most part - I'd also assume they would try to expand in Asia instead as its an untapped market... I put more thought in this than I probably should have.. Helsinki, Finland / 1,488,000 / should speak for itself, only concern is sharing a KHL team (Jokerit) so possibly being located in the Suburbs a-la Islanders, or hop over to the NHL Stockholm, Sweden / 2,315,000 / speaks for itself as well, DIF could transfer over, but a new arena would be needed) Gothenburg, Sweden / 1,015,000 / Indians are a fairly iconic team which could carry over - the arena seats 12,000 which is tolerable. City is 2nd largest in Sweden and within 3 hours from Copenhagen and Oslo) Koln, Germany / 3,573,000 / rich hockey history in the area with 4 DEL teams in the area, Rhine-Ruhr is a very large metropolitan area, reasonable distance from BeNeLux) Berlin, Germany / 6,000,000 / should be self explanatory. The most popular team in the DEL, one of the founding teams, most decorated team and the arena seats 14,200 so it's ready to go Bern, Switzerland / 660,000 / this one is a stretch due to its population, but it has an arena with 17,000 and holds the most average spectators in the league. I really wanted to choose Davos but that made less and less sense the more I thought about it. Sheffield, England / 1,570,000 / It's no London but has one of the stronger fan bases in the EIHL and is pretty much in the heart of England. They are the most decorated team in the league. Prague, Czech Rep / 2,620,000 / Probably best to tap into that market before the KHL gets any more involved with Central Europe. Solid population and hockey history within the country. Some cities omitted: Oslo, Norway - I don't see there being as much potential for a few reasons; hockey isn't THAT big in Norway and most GET-ligaen teams play in the Oslo area which might dilute the entire league. Bergen is also a plausible location but unfortunately couldn't keep a GET team when they had one. Maybe if there were 12 cities to choose from, Oslo would make that list. Munich, Germany - I don't believe a team called Red Bull would work in the NHL and if it was a new team, it would over-saturate that area. Right know RBM is hot but it may be better suited for the DEL. Hamburg, Germany - This was another one I debated on. It has the population, it's located in between Berlin, Copenhagen and Frankfurt at nearly equal distances, another one that would work with 10 or 12 teams. Salzburg, Austria - similar to Munich, this market is an RB team and seems to rather be involved with DEL than KHL. Milan, Italy - not your first thought but its a large population centre in a decent hockey area - however KHL and Milan seen adamant that their team will join the KHL and it may be better suited there than another Arizona Coyotes situation. Paris, France - unfortunately despite its population is not a hockey hotbed. The other areas in France that have hockey teams are in much smaller markets London, England - similar situation as Paris - however they seem to be wanting a London based KHL team sometime soon. Other English cities - Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Nottingham are all possible markets and maybe with more than 8 cities one of these could be possible but some are too new and vulnerable to be considered. Belfast, Northern Ireland - Strongly considered this one due to its consistent attendance, history and untapped market but it may be too small and too much of an oddball - maybe if there were more teams it would have more potential.(edited) Glasgow/Edinburgh, Scotland - Probably makes more sense on paper to have a Scottish team but with Glasgow still being a newer team and not much support and Edinburgh losing its team, I can't see much trust in that market. Amsterdam, Netherlands - definitely has potential but hockey isn't as popular here. The population is right, the location is right - it there was a choice of 10 teams, this one might be in that running. Other Swiss cities - The only cities with a significant population are Zurich and Geneva and possibly Lausanne some of which are in talks with the KHL, while others are still needed to keep the NL going.
I don't see membership owned clubs joining the NHL. If NHL wants to expand they will need to create entire new franchises. I guess one possibility is that all the clubs in Stockholm join forces with venture capitalists and starts a NHL franchise. I don't think Gothenburg would make it in the NHL. The city is too poor. Think Pittsburgh only much smaller. How will they come up with the money required to run a NHL franchise? In all of Scandinavia I only see Stockholm and Helsinki as viable options, and Stockholm is the only city that is guaranteed to succeed.
I am from Cologne and a Big "Kölner Haie" Fan (The Cologne Team). In our City Hockey is Huge. The whole City love the Team. Also we have the best German Youth. (Draisaitl, Kahun, Bokk) Love this Channel, thinking about sending you a Jersey from here.
BSIVBV I agree that Cologne is a hockey city, however I dont think you have the best youth, since the „Jungadler Mannheim“ are consistently winning year by year (draisaitl and kahun also played for them)
They are building 2 new arenas to Finland. One in Helsinki (Helsinki Garden) capacity 14 000 and one in Tampere (Tampereen monitoimihalli) capacity 13 455. Helsinki Olympic Stadium can fit 36 000.
i actually made an european division in nhl 19 here are the teams Helsinki Fishermen Colors : blue, white and black. -Name based on the history with fishing in helsinki. -Colors based on the finnish flag + black to make it a little different from TB lightning and the leafs Tampere Lakers Colors : mint green, grey and red -name based on the City being connected to lake Näsijärvi. -Colors based on the citys coat of arms Stockholm Royals Colors : blue, white and yellow -name based on the royal family of the country -colors based on the swedish flag + white to mix things up a little Malmö Warriors Colors : red, white and yellow -name based just on malmöns being badass -colors based on nothing special Berlin City Colors : Black, red and white -name based on Berlin being a city and Me running out of imagination -colors based on the german flag with white instead of yellow Bern Hunters Colours : yellow & red -name based on the fact that the city was found while hunting if i remember correctly -colours based on the city colours Prague Proud Colors : Blue, white and red -name based on not finding anythin historic from prague that would fit as a team name -colors based on the czechs flag Manchester Guardians Colors : Blue & red -name based on the guardians of the royal family -colors based on the original british colors without white
@@justincoomarhockey2736 i don't have russian teams because if this crazy "european division" thing would happen, i'm 100% sure that russians wouldn't co-operate with the nhl..
I personally don't like how the NHL teams have a separate name along with the city name. It's cool if you are like 5 years old but come on, how cool is it to have a professional sports team called ducks?
Good shout about Manchester, we have the arena in Manchester where we have a 16000 arena. The Storm started out there and have the UK record crowd for a domestic game. It's one of the busiest arenas in the world, so finding space would be a problem.
Also in terms of using manchester arena, finding availability at the arena might be a stretch due to it being the 3rd busiest arena in the world already after the London O2 and Madison Square Garden
Great video once again. It's always nice to talk about what ifs and just have some fun. Nice to hear you would put a team in the UK, and not in London as well. If you dont live in London, it's a pain to travel to and it's really expensive to get there as well. Being a Manchester Storm myself, the current arena isn't very big at all, but the city has more than enough space to accommodate a sizable arena if the need arises. Hopefully we might get a one off NHL season game or Winter Classic type of affair come to the UK, and that way we will see if there is a market for the NHL in UK. Either way, I would certainly support it.
Omg I love these types of videos!. Here are my 10 teams. 1. Moscow 2. St. Petersburg 3. Helsinki 4. Stockholm 5. London 6. Berlin 7. Munich 8. Bern 9. Innsbruck 10. Prague 5 potential other cities 1. Bratislava 2. Riga 3. Minsk 4. Oslo 5. Glasgow
I think if the NHL would do this, they should create a whole conference there. Bc there are lot of city that can support an nhl team. with two divisions, switzerland could have two teams (zürich & bern), germany could have 2 or 3 teams, sweden could have 3 or 4 as well as finnland, maybe 1 or 2 in russia and then the rest all other countries with a hockey tradition could have one. latvia, belarus, czech republic, slowenia, slowakia, austria etc.
Did you know that Helsinki is getting a new arena known as Helsinki Garden. It will be HIFK's new arena and has a speculated capacity between 10 000 - 16 000. If it has a capacity of 16 000 it will be twice as big as their current arena (8000+), it's bigger than Hartwall Arena, it will be Finland's new biggest arena and will be bigger than NHL's smallest arena, which is Winnipeg's if i remember correctly.
Out of travel and visa reasons I would probably exclude both Russia and the UK (due to Brexit). Interesting thoughts, however, but Europe is used to having rivalry between the teams and countries so some cities just need to be included to build the interest in others. - Prague would do well with competition from Bratislava. - Stockholm and Helsinki would create a lot of rivalry as well. My list of cities would be (there would just need to be two divisions) North/East - Stockholm, Sweden - Helsinki, Finland - Copenhagen, Denmark - Riga, Latvia - Prague, Czech Republic - Bratislava/Vienna, Slovakia/Austria - Warsaw, Poland - Oslo, Norway South/West - Bern, Switzerland - Cologne, Germany - Paris, France - Amsterdam, Netherlands - Berlin, Germany - Milan, Italy - Ljubljana, Slovenia - Zagreb, Croatia This would sadly disrupt the national leagues immensely and would, therefore, be a terrible suggestion.
Great video! I've been to a Sparta-Slavia game in Prague and loved it -- terrific atmosphere. Swiss (Josi, Meier, Fiala) and Danish (Ehlers, Andersen, Eller) talent are rising, so I'd want to see teams in there for sure.
The Globe Arena in Stockholm is about to be renovated/upgraded with new tech & solutions and increased capacity from 13 000 to 15 000+ believe with a state of of the art underground practice area with two ice rinks. Starting in 2020 I believe. And they will demolish a legendary arena next to the Globe to build a state of the art arena then they plan to make the whole surrounding area like a big area ground/town where everything is connected with malls, restaurants, hotels and more efficient communic transportation to get masses of people off the ground quicker. I might be wrong on some details, but a big project is in the making along those lines regardless. Around year 2025-30 is when everything is to be finished if everything goes accurding to plan which I highly doubt with plans like these.
A Champions League for Hockey is more feasible I think. There is already an embryo of it in the European CHL: www.championshockeyleague.com/ I'd like to see that more than an extension of the NHL. Imagine seeing the four division winners (plus let say four runners-up) from the NHL taking on eight European champion teams. This would be separated into two campaigns one in the fall and one in the spring, totalling 4 weeks of games. That would be FUN! For teams in California and Central division the schedule would be having games on weekends at something like 9 or 10 am local time and subsequently for European teams playing really late games akin to 9 or 10pm. I would watch that for sure. East coast teams would have a more normal schedule with matinee games in Europe. The NHL would just crush it regardless of schedule but there might be upsets. I would also like to see games in Europe played on large ice and games in NA played on the smaller ice.
That's a fun idea! Just a few points (European perspective). 1) Question is whether Russia would be interested in joining the NHL, such a western brand. They came up with KHL as kind of a competition to NHL and creating an NHL team or two would very much weaken their KHL. 2) You have to look at the leagues, fan bases and player bases that already exist. Swedish, Finnish and Czech league are superior quality wise, German league is massive in terms of attendances and some of their teams are fairly competititive too. Switzerland would be a good market as well. I would say NHL could work in those countries but I doubt it for other places. Norway, Denmark, UK or Poland are light years behind the traditional markets that I mentioned above. But of course, if it happens in 20 years and the popularity of hockey in the UK grows exponentially, then why not :) You should understand that in the Czech Rep/Sweden/Finland and other traditional markets, ice hockey is as big if not bigger than soccer/football. 3) Btw you can take a look at the Champions Hockey League even though it's not so big (yet) and not all teams take it seriously, but hopefully it will grow.
The professional hockey leagues in those various countries might have an objection to the NHL coming in to any of their markets. The NFL has no rival to consider when they eventually put a team in London.
Keep in mind, though, that the NHL and the IIHF simply have no relationship. The NHL does not abide by IIHF rules or regulations. So, unlike the situation in most of international sport, the NHL is not accountable to some higher governing body. Other national leagues might not like it, but unless they could win some sort of civil suit that asserts that they have the exclusive right to operate a professional hockey league in their country, it would just be an objection.
If you know team Lev Praha (Lion Prague), you have to choose Prague. This team was participated in KHL. It existed only two years, but in the season 13/14 they were playing in the final and it was the most visited team or it has the most fans coming on it´s matches in KHL, but unfortunately they lost in the final a the team has broke up...
Based on the level of hockey: 2 teams in Russia, Sweden, Finland, and Czechia. Based on a bit more realism (yet not realistic) : 2 teams in Russia, 1 in Sweden, Finland, Czechia, Switzerland, Germany, and Slovakia. Currently, Norway's national team is ranked above Slovakia and France has more registered players than Germany or Slovakia but these countries just don't make it. Financially replacing the Slovakian team with another German or Swedish one would make more sense. UK is like a pub league or something.
Based primarily on existing attendances and financial factors, I'd say Bern (as already said, the only European club that is already at NHL attendance levels), Zürich, Berlin, Köln, Mannheim, Gothenburg, Stockholm, then London for the sheer market size and viable arena (and maybe a bit of hometown bias). Another factor I've figured in is that any market with an existing KHL team would most likely not get an NHL team.
Cologne would be the best choice in germany cause its more in the middle in germany than Berlin and theres a bigger hockey culture and its Draisaitls team
Very interreasting video! Europe has the CHL-tournament for the moment vith long distance between the teams i mean take Luleå in the northern sweden meet a uk team its a 3 hour flight down then a game in 3 hours then a 3 hours flight up again so they use to take the uk teams and germans teams in an away tour for about 1-2 weeks. The CHL (champions hockey league) is a european tournament expect russia. The 6 best teams from sweden ranked on the SHL league are in the CHL (i think finland has done the same, then theres teams from uk,slovakia,poland,czech republic and germany) Luleå finisd 7 in SHL last year and didnt play CHL this year but has a goal to play CHL in the future.
You forgetting Gothenburg as city in Sweden... They have one of biggest icehockeyfans with Frölunda Indians with their academy & they won CHL 2 times in row 16 & 17
NickS Blackhawks Talk yea you're right. I was hoping someone said something about that. Brent must be thinking of just seats because the bell centre has more but the united centre can fit more people because of standing room
It isn't considered the largest because it holds 22 248 with people standing. 19 717 is its seated capacity. The Bell Centre is the largest with 21 304 seated. Tampa and Detroit also have a larger seated capacity than Chicago.
QuebecOriginal but in terms of what arena can hold more the united centre wins so in my books it's the biggest in the NHL, even if it is including standing room
The Arena in Cologne might be really big, but the problem is that they are missing some fans. They only get like 13000 to 14000 spectators when they play against interesting opponents like berlin. But usually they have like 8000 to 10000 spectators. But if there would be this european division there might be more fans visiting the arena.
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Oh and the Orange/blue jersey there is not a Hockey team, it's Bollnäs Bandy in the sport Bandy, Which is a pretty big sport in scandinavia and russia :)
You need to add Tampere from Finland to consideration.. they are currently building huge arena there.. it's also i think 2nd, 3rd or 4th biggest city in Finland.
I'd go with Riga over Oslo, and give Malmo and Copenhagen one team to share over Germany, since they border each other (I believe I've heard the two cities are practically one). Otherwise I'd go with pretty much the same cities. The UK team is hard to choose (I'd go Edinburgh, but I can see the argument for Belfast for sure) and I'd argue Kladno or Pardubice over Prague, just for the bigger hockey connection (Jagr and Hasek's hometowns, respectively), but population and arena are both strong arguments for Prague. Really, you could fill 2 European divisions easily with how many excellent options there are.
Here’s Chris from 2022: With COVID and recent events in Ukraine, it makes even more sense to have the NHL within Europe, here would be my choices of regions: 1. Helsinki, Finland 2. Stockholm, Sweden 3. Øresund, Denmark-Sweden 4. Rhine-Westphalia, Germany 5. Berlin, Germany 6. Prague, Czechia 7. Bern, Switzerland 8. Manchester, UK
I personally believe London would be the best choice for a UK hockey team, not just due to the money it would bring in. But because they could name themselves the London Knights like the OHL team in Ontario.
1. Prague 2. Malmo 3. Manchester 4. Helsinki 5. Bern 6. Riga 7. Cologne 8. Oslo I would not take a team in Russia, Id leave the KHL (Russian based) teams alone!
Don't think you can have Oslo if you have Malmö, the cities are geographically quite close (for the population). However it might work if you have Stockholm instead, even though that Stockholm and Helsinki are just as close. It would not share the same issue as Malmö - Oslo as hockey is much bigger in Sweden/Finland than in Norway. Personally I would remove Manchester for a German city instead, maybe Berlin or Hamburg.
Transition. Euro League fights for the Stanley Cup, after the NHL has their finals. The problem is the playoffs. Going from 32 to 64 means another playoff round. It's tricky.
Actually, there is a large rivarly between Czech and Slovaks in ice hockey, but this rivarly is mostly presented only in olympic games and world championships. Normally, Czech players are playing in Slovakian league and Slovakian players are playing in Czech league. This would be not a problem as I (Slovakian) can see it. Rivarly was on the place, when Prague and Bratislava had their own KHL teams, man, there was amazing game there. But, team in Prague actually left KHL and now only KHL team from former Czechoslovakia is Bratislava, so have KHL and NHL so close would be amazing for our fans, there are really plenty of them even though together, we have only like 15-16 millions of people in here.
im just here to find out where the hell to move to from italy to be able to actually play hockey more than 1 hour a week, i cant even go to the rink during the week with a stick and puck, cause you cant bring a stick and puck when the rink is open for free skating, cause of all the people coming on dates and stuff
Regarding the Blue and Orange jersey in the back, Bollnäs is not a hockey team. They play something called Bandy :) Great show and i vote for Stockholm, Helsinki, Cologne, Manchester, Paris and Prague.
Hockey is currently not that big in Stockholm though, even though they've got the biggest arena. And the main two Stockholm teams doesn't even play in it, they play in a smaller one. Gothenburg is the biggest hockey city in Sweden currently
Interestig thoughts about German hockey . In Gemany, I think the intrest in Hockey isyear very small. There are some cities were hockey is number one sports like Mannheim, Iserlohn and Straubing but these are without an really good soccer team. Germanys U20 Eishockey Nationalteam battle hard at the Moment to come in the A Division next year.
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Average attendance in Berlin with a capacity of 15.000 is at around 11.500 visitors per game(76.6%). Comparing to Cologne with an average attendance of 9.500 at a capacity of 19.000(50%)... The numbers speak for themselves and they don't lie
Agree with the goat including the Champions league with local competitions with soccer (football). But you need to remember, those games are much more spread out than hockey is. I love the idea, just need to get the transportation and scheduling done first.
I’d say Helskinki, Gothenburg, Oslo, St. Petersburg, Prague, Cologne, Minsk, and Birmingham (Birmingham only because Manchester already has two huge premier league teams so it would be hard to compete with them for fans)
My list: 1. Stockholm 2. Helsinki 3. St. Petersbourgh 4. Prague 5. Bratislava 6. One Swiss team (Bern, Geneva, Zürich) 7. Berlin or Cologne 8. Riga Honourable mentions: Paris, Minsk, Malmö, Brno, Kobenhavn, Oslo,
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If they were to exoand to europe, they would probably have to do an entire third european conference, that way you could reduce travel to mostly europe for those teams and then one maybe two bigger roadtrips to NA.
The reason i don't think an NHL team in Sweden would work is the fact that fans here are so fiercely loyal to their teams, and that ticket prices for NHL teams are so high. Arizona has the cheapest avg. ticket price in the NHL at 72 dollars Djurgården that plays in Stockholm has an avg. ticket price of 25 dollars. So you would have to draw people away from teams they have supported most of their lifes and make them pay at least three times as much to watch a team they have no connection with.
Technically the KHL is the second biggest hockey league because it has the second moet Teams, but actually the swiss league has more average watchers per game and more money per team and per player.
Gothenburg would be the best choice for Sweden imo. If they get to keep Frölunda Indians as their name if they join they would definitely fill 17000 majority of the games.
There are discussions about scrapping Scandinavium and building a new arena anyway. Will probably be a few years before it actually happens but and I don´t know anything about the capacity of the new arena. In time of the hypothetical euro division a new arena will probably be built already.
I doubt Gothenburg is big enough. If private investors buy out Djurgården, AIK and Hammarby and build a modern arena they would make it. But Gothenburg isn’t big enough.
Manchester Regals Oslo Osebergs (Named after the Viking Longships) Stockholm Broadswords Helsinki Anvils Moscow Czars Copenhagen Wolves Prague Jagrs Bern Army Knives Though personally I'd put a full half the league there and have them and the NA branch not play eachother until the cup final
What if we had a champions league like they do in soccer. NHL Champs, KHL Champs, Swedish Elite Champs, Finish Champs, Swiss Champs, German champs play in little tournament to see who is the best hockey club in the world.
The Fozzy Bear There is a Champions Hockey League in europe, where the best teams of most european countries play each other, like in the champions league in soccer. But it is not really popular and has just very little spectator attendance.
@@thefozzybear it would make more sense to have the NHL team go to Europe and play because then only 1 team has a lot of travel plus it would add notoriety for the Tournament in Europe and help it grow
The problem I have is that I don’t see a whole country rallying around one cities team If it’s one team per country they should just be called say Finland or Great Britain
I'd love to see the NHL become more global. One of the appeals of Soccer for me is that it's played everywhere in the world, it's a truly global sport. The issue though is that, Hockey isn't cheap to play, so socio economics will always hold back the growth in certain parts of the world. That and it's most likely going to stay in the northern hemisphere for obvious reasons.
Just for your information :D hockey is really big in this part of Germany. There have been i think about 10 DEL clubs in a 100 km circle around cologne. Some of the oldest and most traditional clubs come from the area. btw. they arena in bern hasn't 17000 seats in it. it has a 17000 capacity but only a 7000 seated. it features the biggest terrace stand in european hockey though with a capacity of almost 10000. that would'nt work in the american market. the cologne capacity is also far lower if they install seats on their terrace stands (at least in cologne that would be possible as they sometimes do this for concerts). my point is basically that you cannot compare the european arenas to the american ones solely on their spectator capacity. we also have far fewer stalls installed behind the stands which would make it very difficult to offer the same entertainment or 'distractions' as our euro hockey purists would call it. so basjcally there is not a single arena in europe which has NHL standards
The problem with this is that most people in Sweden, Finland etc, do not want any team in an international new league. And not many people here in Europe would change team or have two favorite teams. And I also think that people would stop going to games in European leagues and only go to NHL games where they can watch much better hockey. The jetlag gotta be a problem in KHL. I mean if CSKA Moscow are playing Admiral Vladivostok, they have to travel half around the globe.
I agree with Helsinki, Stockholm, Moscow and Bern. For Germany, Munich would be an option as well. But in my opinion none of the other cities/countries could support an NHL team at NHL ticket prices - the cities are either too small (e.g. Belfast) or too poor (Most of Eastern Europe). You could probably fill arenas in Prague, Minsk etc. at local prices, but not at prices that are NHL level (100$+ per game).
@@BlackeyeLP Yes, you are probably right. But that wasn't the direction I was aiming for. I would doubt that in most European countries people would be willing to pay as much for Sports as they do in the US. My point was that people in Eastern European countries could not afford NHL prices, unrelated if they wanted to or not. For example, the average person in Belarus earns roughly 470 USD a month - no way someone who earns that could spend 50$ for sitting in the nosebleeds for a single game. In Germany, UK, Sweden, Finland etc. there are at least enough people who could afford it, but that doesn't mean they would be willing to pay that much.
@@Valokaari That are crazy prices. We already complained about the prices in Cologne and those were from 37€ to 99€ (normal seats) and up to 250€ for premium seating. That are prices Bayern München wants for Bundesliga matches... Normal prices in Cologne are from 15€ to 44€.
One thing to note, air travel is becoming more efficient, fuel-wise. There is nothing that they are doing with regards to the speed of it though. Airlines will save billions on fuel costs, but your trip from NA to EU will still take 9 hours unfortunately.
Well if NHL would expand to Europe, they would add a whole new division for European teams. So for the majority of the time, European teams would play against other European teams in the regular season. And then for the cross-division games, teams could make a trip for like 5-10 away games in a row, where American teams come to Europe to play against all teams during one trip and vice versa. That's how it already is, but just make it in a bigger scale.
How would you guys propose the teams would enter the league? Hypothetically if the KHL crumpled, I think the only way this could happen is the way the WHA teams came in. As in keep their current roster. An 8 team expansion draft although exciting would be insane. I don't think you could do 4 teams at a time either. Travel on the first 4 would be awful until the full division was in the league.
Czechs and slovaks dont have any hatred between eachother. You might have been thinking of croats and serbs.
In 1992, because of growing nationalist tensions in the government, Czechoslovakia was peacefully dissolved by parliament. On 1 January 1993 it formally separated into two independent countries, the Czech Republic and the Slovak Republic.
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@Jameson Kasen yea, been using flixzone} for since december myself :)
Your interpretation of czech and slovak history is absolutely wrong. Our split was probably the most peaceful split ever. Creation of Czechoslovakia was achievement of both Czechs and Slovaks (no Russia involved!). We have very similar languages and many families are mixed. The rivalry between us is friendly and relation of our countries is the best. There are 67 Slovaks who play in the Czech league (Slovaks might refuse to be drafted to CZ??? What???). Only statemant you got right was how both countries produce good players...
I appreciate the information, Jakub, but Brent was going by what we have been told over the past couple of years by people from both countries. There seems to be quite a bit of disagreement from our perspective on if there is any conflict now or not. We can only go by what people tell us, and we've heard both sides of it.
@@Post2Post As far as I can tell, your point of view is shared by negligible minority of my fellow citizens. I am Czech and I never met anyone who would hate Slovaks. I have several Slovaks in my class and we make fun of each other, but nothing serious. When I visit Slovakia, they treat me like I was one of them. I guess there are people from both nations who dislike each other but it does not reflect the reality of common people.
I'd actually love to visit both countires in person some day so I can see both cultures first hand and do lots of exploring. I've always been a fan of both countries and the players they produce to the NHL.
@@Post2Post you would see basically one nation with almost everything same. Something like if you been in uk and go to scotland. And We Speak almost same language...
i would say that NHL team in UK wont be profitable venture. Sweden, Finland, Czech, Switzerland yes, you need 2 teams in Germany(money) and probably St.Petersburg (subject to Putin approval , unless he decides to let one of the moscow teams in(Spartak, Dynamo or CSKA). Regarding Norway, Denmark or Italy, their hockey markets are not big enough yet. And fyi there is no bad blood between Czech&Slovaks whatsoever, we very friendly and many slovak players play in Czech and vice versa:)
Brent sounds like a bit of a blbec when he speaks about Czechs and Slovaks here.
@@smithryansmith 😂 😂 😂
I think you do not have a very good understanding of the U.K
Ice Hockey market over all I honestly do not know whare you get this idea that the U.K could not support an N.H.L teams.
I strongly feel we could support
two N.H.L teams in the U.K one in the North & one in the
East Midlands that is classified as The South geographically.
People would travel vast distances U.K wise to watch games trust me.
@@alanfox691 I lived in London for 10 years and never knew anyone who would known ice hockey and there was none in London. Nothing in papers ever. I mean snooker and darts will get quite a few attention beside the obvious soccer, cricket, rugby, horse racing or dogs, but ice hockey in England? It wouldnt even make top 20 i believe and 95% UK doesnt know what ice hockey is period. Field hockey yeah maybe:)
@@robertnaus88 London is not the entire U.K Ice Hockey is more a game popular from the
East Midlands upwards whare Basketball in more popular in the south of the U.K so staying in London you would not see to much in the Newspapers myb if you had travelled about a bit more in the U.K you might have seen more coverage of the sport It is covered in Newspapers in many other parts of the U.K.
To be honest I do not see there being an N.H.L team in Europe in the next 30 to 35 years In any shape or form for many reasons.
Dang this video really got me thinking about the future of hockey how far it may go!
They are building new arena to Tampere in Finland
Buskajuss1 YT Pälli jos joku menis nhl ällään niin se ois Jokerit äyssi
@@softpianomusic7773 Miten riittää yleisö Liigaan, KHL:ään ja änäriin? Kyllä se täytyy olla Jokerit joka siirtyy KHL:stä änäriin.
@@Bruh-jr2ep mitä?
@@softpianomusic7773 Niin, että miten riittää yleisöä Helsingissä katsomaan Jokerien, Hifk:n ja tulevan änärijoukkueen pelejä?
@@Bruh-jr2ep no eihän niitten tartte pelata samaan aikaan. Ja kyllä sitä lätkä yleisöä löytyy Suomesta vaikka kuinka paljon. Omasta mielestä siinä ei ole mitään järkeä että Jokerit tai mikä tahansa joukkue vietäisiin änäriin koska ne saa niin paljon enemmän rahaa siitä jos ne tekee uuden joukkueen (sillä eihän sitä omistajaa kiinnosta mikään muu kuin raha).
Hockey really isnt that big in malmö. I would say Gothenburg is a much better choice
Agree, and Stockholm isn't really right either, football is too big here. I was thinking Gothenburg as well.
Vem fan kollar på frölunda
@@lukaswahlman8041 uppebarligen många eftersom vi har överlägset bäst publiksnitt i shl 😅😂
Tror stockholm har bäst fans
De har nog tagit Malmö för arenans skull. Men jag håller med, i Malmö håller vi oss hellre till fotboll.
The orange jersey you had hang up there is actually from a team that plays bandy in Sweden. Bollnäs
Bollnäs has Done Something Right / almost like LULEÅ ? Even They play a different SPORT !
Jag är från bollnäs
@@sakuoksanen Nej Det är Jag inte ! I am living in Inland Finland !
@@sakuoksanen Many People know Bollnäs now - but Where IS IT ? How to follow BANDY / WWW what ? Do You Go to The Games ?
On the UK idea both Manchester and London have arenas with 17000 seats in the form of the Manchester arena and the O2 arena. The original storm (Pre 2003 bankrupcey) hold the UK attendance record for ice hockey at the Manchester arena of 17245.
idontknow631 Na Belfast they already have an amazing team with the like of former NHLer Jim vandermeer and Kyle Baun
@@zackmeaney2800 also Patrick dywer also plays for the giants
1 thing to point out when reading EIHL Arena capacities on Wiki is that they are usually stated for concerts with fans standing on the ice. Belfast is significantly less than 11,000. It's more like 8,700 in a Hockey configuration. Sheffield is actually the biggest in hockey configuration at over 9,000 *insert meme*.
Also fun fact for Manchester, they still hold the record biggest attendance of 17,245 as the city has a major arena, it's just far too big for EIHL hockey.
I would personally leave the KHL and the countries in or likely to join in the future for the most part - I'd also assume they would try to expand in Asia instead as its an untapped market... I put more thought in this than I probably should have..
Helsinki, Finland / 1,488,000 / should speak for itself, only concern is sharing a KHL team (Jokerit) so possibly being located in the Suburbs a-la Islanders, or hop over to the NHL
Stockholm, Sweden / 2,315,000 / speaks for itself as well, DIF could transfer over, but a new arena would be needed)
Gothenburg, Sweden / 1,015,000 / Indians are a fairly iconic team which could carry over - the arena seats 12,000 which is tolerable. City is 2nd largest in Sweden and within 3 hours from Copenhagen and Oslo)
Koln, Germany / 3,573,000 / rich hockey history in the area with 4 DEL teams in the area, Rhine-Ruhr is a very large metropolitan area, reasonable distance from BeNeLux)
Berlin, Germany / 6,000,000 / should be self explanatory. The most popular team in the DEL, one of the founding teams, most decorated team and the arena seats 14,200 so it's ready to go
Bern, Switzerland / 660,000 / this one is a stretch due to its population, but it has an arena with 17,000 and holds the most average spectators in the league. I really wanted to choose Davos but that made less and less sense the more I thought about it.
Sheffield, England / 1,570,000 / It's no London but has one of the stronger fan bases in the EIHL and is pretty much in the heart of England. They are the most decorated team in the league.
Prague, Czech Rep / 2,620,000 / Probably best to tap into that market before the KHL gets any more involved with Central Europe. Solid population and hockey history within the country.
Some cities omitted:
Oslo, Norway - I don't see there being as much potential for a few reasons; hockey isn't THAT big in Norway and most GET-ligaen teams play in the Oslo area which might dilute the entire league. Bergen is also a plausible location but unfortunately couldn't keep a GET team when they had one. Maybe if there were 12 cities to choose from, Oslo would make that list.
Munich, Germany - I don't believe a team called Red Bull would work in the NHL and if it was a new team, it would over-saturate that area. Right know RBM is hot but it may be better suited for the DEL.
Hamburg, Germany - This was another one I debated on. It has the population, it's located in between Berlin, Copenhagen and Frankfurt at nearly equal distances, another one that would work with 10 or 12 teams.
Salzburg, Austria - similar to Munich, this market is an RB team and seems to rather be involved with DEL than KHL.
Milan, Italy - not your first thought but its a large population centre in a decent hockey area - however KHL and Milan seen adamant that their team will join the KHL and it may be better suited there than another Arizona Coyotes situation.
Paris, France - unfortunately despite its population is not a hockey hotbed. The other areas in France that have hockey teams are in much smaller markets
London, England - similar situation as Paris - however they seem to be wanting a London based KHL team sometime soon.
Other English cities - Manchester, Liverpool, Leeds, Nottingham are all possible markets and maybe with more than 8 cities one of these could be possible but some are too new and vulnerable to be considered.
Belfast, Northern Ireland - Strongly considered this one due to its consistent attendance, history and untapped market but it may be too small and too much of an oddball - maybe if there were more teams it would have more potential.(edited)
Glasgow/Edinburgh, Scotland - Probably makes more sense on paper to have a Scottish team but with Glasgow still being a newer team and not much support and Edinburgh losing its team, I can't see much trust in that market.
Amsterdam, Netherlands - definitely has potential but hockey isn't as popular here. The population is right, the location is right - it there was a choice of 10 teams, this one might be in that running.
Other Swiss cities - The only cities with a significant population are Zurich and Geneva and possibly Lausanne some of which are in talks with the KHL, while others are still needed to keep the NL going.
I don't see membership owned clubs joining the NHL. If NHL wants to expand they will need to create entire new franchises. I guess one possibility is that all the clubs in Stockholm join forces with venture capitalists and starts a NHL franchise. I don't think Gothenburg would make it in the NHL. The city is too poor. Think Pittsburgh only much smaller. How will they come up with the money required to run a NHL franchise? In all of Scandinavia I only see Stockholm and Helsinki as viable options, and Stockholm is the only city that is guaranteed to succeed.
I am from Cologne and a Big "Kölner Haie" Fan (The Cologne Team). In our City Hockey is Huge. The whole City love the Team. Also we have the best German Youth. (Draisaitl, Kahun, Bokk)
Love this Channel, thinking about sending you a Jersey from here.
BSIVBV I agree that Cologne is a hockey city, however I dont think you have the best youth, since the „Jungadler Mannheim“ are consistently winning year by year (draisaitl and kahun also played for them)
Yes you are Right. I kinda lost The truth in my love for Cologne, sorry. ;)
@@bsivbv1268 nhl have your german
They are building 2 new arenas to Finland. One in Helsinki (Helsinki Garden) capacity 14 000 and one in Tampere (Tampereen monitoimihalli) capacity 13 455. Helsinki Olympic Stadium can fit 36 000.
They Have to rename The Tampereen Monitoimihalli & toimisto & kahvio / I like MANSE AREENA BETTER !
i actually made an european division in nhl 19 here are the teams
Helsinki Fishermen
Colors : blue, white and black.
-Name based on the history with fishing in helsinki.
-Colors based on the finnish flag + black to make it a little different from TB lightning and the leafs
Tampere Lakers
Colors : mint green, grey and red
-name based on the City being connected to lake Näsijärvi.
-Colors based on the citys coat of arms
Stockholm Royals
Colors : blue, white and yellow
-name based on the royal family of the country
-colors based on the swedish flag + white to mix things up a little
Malmö Warriors
Colors : red, white and yellow
-name based just on malmöns being badass
-colors based on nothing special
Berlin City
Colors : Black, red and white
-name based on Berlin being a city and Me running out of imagination
-colors based on the german flag with white instead of yellow
Bern Hunters
Colours : yellow & red
-name based on the fact that the city was found while hunting if i remember correctly
-colours based on the city colours
Prague Proud
Colors : Blue, white and red
-name based on not finding anythin historic from prague that would fit as a team name
-colors based on the czechs flag
Manchester Guardians
Colors : Blue & red
-name based on the guardians of the royal family
-colors based on the original british colors without white
Kick out Manchester and Malmo for st Petersburg And Moscow
@@justincoomarhockey2736 i don't have russian teams because if this crazy "european division" thing would happen, i'm 100% sure that russians wouldn't co-operate with the nhl..
Prague Proud sounds a bit of but Prague needs a team
I personally don't like how the NHL teams have a separate name along with the city name. It's cool if you are like 5 years old but come on, how cool is it to have a professional sports team called ducks?
@@torstenlandsson9757 Ducks IS Mickey Mouse Team ! Disney used to OWN THE TEAM / so thatswhy ! Did You know this History ?
Good shout about Manchester, we have the arena in Manchester where we have a 16000 arena. The Storm started out there and have the UK record crowd for a domestic game. It's one of the busiest arenas in the world, so finding space would be a problem.
Also in terms of using manchester arena, finding availability at the arena might be a stretch due to it being the 3rd busiest arena in the world already after the London O2 and Madison Square Garden
Yes. Great to the Steeldogs! Hope they do well in their cup final second leg in Peterborough tomorrow night. Also THIRD!
Great video once again. It's always nice to talk about what ifs and just have some fun.
Nice to hear you would put a team in the UK, and not in London as well. If you dont live in London, it's a pain to travel to and it's really expensive to get there as well. Being a Manchester Storm myself, the current arena isn't very big at all, but the city has more than enough space to accommodate a sizable arena if the need arises.
Hopefully we might get a one off NHL season game or Winter Classic type of affair come to the UK, and that way we will see if there is a market for the NHL in UK. Either way, I would certainly support it.
Omg I love these types of videos!. Here are my 10 teams.
1. Moscow
2. St. Petersburg
3. Helsinki
4. Stockholm
5. London
6. Berlin
7. Munich
8. Bern
9. Innsbruck
10. Prague
5 potential other cities
1. Bratislava
2. Riga
3. Minsk
4. Oslo
5. Glasgow
I think if the NHL would do this, they should create a whole conference there. Bc there are lot of city that can support an nhl team.
with two divisions, switzerland could have two teams (zürich & bern), germany could have 2 or 3 teams, sweden could have 3 or 4 as well as finnland, maybe 1 or 2 in russia and then the rest all other countries with a hockey tradition could have one. latvia, belarus, czech republic, slowenia, slowakia, austria etc.
That thumbnail is actually amazing
Did you know that Helsinki is getting a new arena known as Helsinki Garden. It will be HIFK's new arena and has a speculated capacity between 10 000 - 16 000. If it has a capacity of 16 000 it will be twice as big as their current arena (8000+), it's bigger than Hartwall Arena, it will be Finland's new biggest arena and will be bigger than NHL's smallest arena, which is Winnipeg's if i remember correctly.
Out of travel and visa reasons I would probably exclude both Russia and the UK (due to Brexit). Interesting thoughts, however, but Europe is used to having rivalry between the teams and countries so some cities just need to be included to build the interest in others.
- Prague would do well with competition from Bratislava.
- Stockholm and Helsinki would create a lot of rivalry as well.
My list of cities would be (there would just need to be two divisions)
North/East
- Stockholm, Sweden
- Helsinki, Finland
- Copenhagen, Denmark
- Riga, Latvia
- Prague, Czech Republic
- Bratislava/Vienna, Slovakia/Austria
- Warsaw, Poland
- Oslo, Norway
South/West
- Bern, Switzerland
- Cologne, Germany
- Paris, France
- Amsterdam, Netherlands
- Berlin, Germany
- Milan, Italy
- Ljubljana, Slovenia
- Zagreb, Croatia
This would sadly disrupt the national leagues immensely and would, therefore, be a terrible suggestion.
My list would be: Helsinki, Stockholm, Gothenburg, Berlin, Hamburg, Zürich, Riga, Prague and Minsk
Great video! I've been to a Sparta-Slavia game in Prague and loved it -- terrific atmosphere. Swiss (Josi, Meier, Fiala) and Danish (Ehlers, Andersen, Eller) talent are rising, so I'd want to see teams in there for sure.
'You know what? We should form our won country."
Thats exactly how it happened though.
The Globe Arena in Stockholm is about to be renovated/upgraded with new tech & solutions and increased capacity from 13 000 to 15 000+ believe with a state of of the art underground practice area with two ice rinks. Starting in 2020 I believe. And they will demolish a legendary arena next to the Globe to build a state of the art arena then they plan to make the whole surrounding area like a big area ground/town where everything is connected with malls, restaurants, hotels and more efficient communic transportation to get masses of people off the ground quicker.
I might be wrong on some details, but a big project is in the making along those lines regardless. Around year 2025-30 is when everything is to be finished if everything goes accurding to plan which I highly doubt with plans like these.
My top 8: Helsinki, Stockholm, St Petersburg, Cologne, Paris, Munich, Zurich, Prague
Helsinki, St.Petersburg and Köln yes the rest no
A Champions League for Hockey is more feasible I think. There is already an embryo of it in the European CHL: www.championshockeyleague.com/
I'd like to see that more than an extension of the NHL.
Imagine seeing the four division winners (plus let say four runners-up) from the NHL taking on eight European champion teams. This would be separated into two campaigns one in the fall and one in the spring, totalling 4 weeks of games.
That would be FUN!
For teams in California and Central division the schedule would be having games on weekends at something like 9 or 10 am local time and subsequently for European teams playing really late games akin to 9 or 10pm.
I would watch that for sure.
East coast teams would have a more normal schedule with matinee games in Europe. The NHL would just crush it regardless of schedule but there might be upsets. I would also like to see games in Europe played on large ice and games in NA played on the smaller ice.
That's a fun idea! Just a few points (European perspective).
1) Question is whether Russia would be interested in joining the NHL, such a western brand. They came up with KHL as kind of a competition to NHL and creating an NHL team or two would very much weaken their KHL.
2) You have to look at the leagues, fan bases and player bases that already exist. Swedish, Finnish and Czech league are superior quality wise, German league is massive in terms of attendances and some of their teams are fairly competititive too. Switzerland would be a good market as well. I would say NHL could work in those countries but I doubt it for other places. Norway, Denmark, UK or Poland are light years behind the traditional markets that I mentioned above. But of course, if it happens in 20 years and the popularity of hockey in the UK grows exponentially, then why not :) You should understand that in the Czech Rep/Sweden/Finland and other traditional markets, ice hockey is as big if not bigger than soccer/football.
3) Btw you can take a look at the Champions Hockey League even though it's not so big (yet) and not all teams take it seriously, but hopefully it will grow.
The professional hockey leagues in those various countries might have an objection to the NHL coming in to any of their markets.
The NFL has no rival to consider when they eventually put a team in London.
yep, especially KHL
Keep in mind, though, that the NHL and the IIHF simply have no relationship. The NHL does not abide by IIHF rules or regulations. So, unlike the situation in most of international sport, the NHL is not accountable to some higher governing body. Other national leagues might not like it, but unless they could win some sort of civil suit that asserts that they have the exclusive right to operate a professional hockey league in their country, it would just be an objection.
If you know team Lev Praha (Lion Prague), you have to choose Prague. This team was participated in KHL. It existed only two years, but in the season 13/14 they were playing in the final and it was the most visited team or it has the most fans coming on it´s matches in KHL, but unfortunately they lost in the final a the team has broke up...
Based on the level of hockey: 2 teams in Russia, Sweden, Finland, and Czechia. Based on a bit more realism (yet not realistic) : 2 teams in Russia, 1 in Sweden, Finland, Czechia, Switzerland, Germany, and Slovakia. Currently, Norway's national team is ranked above Slovakia and France has more registered players than Germany or Slovakia but these countries just don't make it. Financially replacing the Slovakian team with another German or Swedish one would make more sense. UK is like a pub league or something.
Based primarily on existing attendances and financial factors, I'd say Bern (as already said, the only European club that is already at NHL attendance levels), Zürich, Berlin, Köln, Mannheim, Gothenburg, Stockholm, then London for the sheer market size and viable arena (and maybe a bit of hometown bias). Another factor I've figured in is that any market with an existing KHL team would most likely not get an NHL team.
BERN IS The BEST KEPT SECRET / of European Ice Hockey !
Cologne would be the best choice in germany cause its more in the middle in germany than Berlin and theres a bigger hockey culture and its Draisaitls team
Cologne has a bigger hockey culture than berlin nice joke mate
@@sebastianbottger9620 they have the most followers on instagram from the DEL
Cologne is in the middle? Its far west 😂
Very interreasting video! Europe has the CHL-tournament for the moment vith long distance between the teams i mean take Luleå in the northern sweden meet a uk team its a 3 hour flight down then a game in 3 hours then a 3 hours flight up again so they use to take the uk teams and germans teams in an away tour for about 1-2 weeks. The CHL (champions hockey league) is a european tournament expect russia. The 6 best teams from sweden ranked on the SHL league are in the CHL (i think finland has done the same, then theres teams from uk,slovakia,poland,czech republic and germany) Luleå finisd 7 in SHL last year and didnt play CHL this year but has a goal to play CHL in the future.
@@Valokaari ohh thats gonna be thogh with the time difference
You forgetting Gothenburg as city in Sweden... They have one of biggest icehockeyfans with Frölunda Indians with their academy & they won CHL 2 times in row 16 & 17
The United Center is the largest stadium in the NHL it holds 22,000+
NickS Blackhawks Talk yea you're right. I was hoping someone said something about that. Brent must be thinking of just seats because the bell centre has more but the united centre can fit more people because of standing room
It isn't considered the largest because it holds 22 248 with people standing. 19 717 is its seated capacity. The Bell Centre is the largest with 21 304 seated. Tampa and Detroit also have a larger seated capacity than Chicago.
QuebecOriginal but in terms of what arena can hold more the united centre wins so in my books it's the biggest in the NHL, even if it is including standing room
The Arena in Cologne might be really big, but the problem is that they are missing some fans. They only get like 13000 to 14000 spectators when they play against interesting opponents like berlin. But usually they have like 8000 to 10000 spectators. But if there would be this european division there might be more fans visiting the arena.
Just subbed. 30 year Bruins fan here but looking to learn as much about the rest of the league as possible
Edit: Justin at hands-down Hockey brought me here
Ooh the Sheffield Steeldogs, I’m a Sheffield Steelers fan but I do enjoy watching them
Oh and the Orange/blue jersey there is not a Hockey team, it's Bollnäs Bandy in the sport Bandy, Which is a pretty big sport in scandinavia and russia :)
The intro is my home rink ice sheffield, im a huge steelers supporter
They are building new arena in tampere which is little bit bigger than Hartwall
Actually, the new arena in tampere will be smaller than hartwall arena, but i think that it's a bit more modern.
Belfast, Manchester, Berlin,Munich,Helsinki,Stockholm,Oslo,St. Peatersburg
You need to add Tampere from Finland to consideration.. they are currently building huge arena there.. it's also i think 2nd, 3rd or 4th biggest city in Finland.
I'd go with Riga over Oslo, and give Malmo and Copenhagen one team to share over Germany, since they border each other (I believe I've heard the two cities are practically one). Otherwise I'd go with pretty much the same cities. The UK team is hard to choose (I'd go Edinburgh, but I can see the argument for Belfast for sure) and I'd argue Kladno or Pardubice over Prague, just for the bigger hockey connection (Jagr and Hasek's hometowns, respectively), but population and arena are both strong arguments for Prague.
Really, you could fill 2 European divisions easily with how many excellent options there are.
The arena in Bern doesn‘t have 17,000 seats.... they just have 5,000 seats. The others are standing places.
Here’s Chris from 2022: With COVID and recent events in Ukraine, it makes even more sense to have the NHL within Europe, here would be my choices of regions:
1. Helsinki, Finland
2. Stockholm, Sweden
3. Øresund, Denmark-Sweden
4. Rhine-Westphalia, Germany
5. Berlin, Germany
6. Prague, Czechia
7. Bern, Switzerland
8. Manchester, UK
I personally believe London would be the best choice for a UK hockey team, not just due to the money it would bring in. But because they could name themselves the London Knights like the OHL team in Ontario.
Actually that bollnäs gif jersey (third from right) isn’t hockey jersey. Its bandy jersey 😍 its littlebit like hockey but on huge field
Many Dont know this game ! IT IS almost like Finnish Baseball / a game that IS Played by some Nations only !
1. Prague
2. Malmo
3. Manchester
4. Helsinki
5. Bern
6. Riga
7. Cologne
8. Oslo
I would not take a team in Russia, Id leave the KHL (Russian based) teams alone!
Prague have one of the worst teams in extraliga lol
@@h1llog919 It is not about the team, but about the city
Don't think you can have Oslo if you have Malmö, the cities are geographically quite close (for the population). However it might work if you have Stockholm instead, even though that Stockholm and Helsinki are just as close. It would not share the same issue as Malmö - Oslo as hockey is much bigger in Sweden/Finland than in Norway.
Personally I would remove Manchester for a German city instead, maybe Berlin or Hamburg.
then again there is a finnish team in KHL atm (I don't know much else about the KHL) so it would probably work taking a Russian city
It probably wouldn't be economically viable to have an NHL team in a country as poor as Latvia, especially since Arena Riga is so small.
The bell centre have more seats than the united center I believe, but I know that in Chicago they have a bigger capacity
Transition. Euro League fights for the Stanley Cup, after the NHL has their finals.
The problem is the playoffs. Going from 32 to 64 means another playoff round.
It's tricky.
Actually, there is a large rivarly between Czech and Slovaks in ice hockey, but this rivarly is mostly presented only in olympic games and world championships. Normally, Czech players are playing in Slovakian league and Slovakian players are playing in Czech league. This would be not a problem as I (Slovakian) can see it. Rivarly was on the place, when Prague and Bratislava had their own KHL teams, man, there was amazing game there. But, team in Prague actually left KHL and now only KHL team from former Czechoslovakia is Bratislava, so have KHL and NHL so close would be amazing for our fans, there are really plenty of them even though together, we have only like 15-16 millions of people in here.
Sheffield steelers, the most successful team in the UK play at a 13,600 venue. Sheffield is central between London and Scotland
Hockey in cologne (i live in cologne) is huge if the team plays good (currently
5 game win streak) because the soccer team is struggling
Rick Van der meulen effzeh plays Well atm tho
@@kobolll7188 In the second tier in Germany
I‘m 14, from Berne and thanks for mentioning. I always stay up to 1A.M to watch the Sabres💙💛
Sabres are Great ! #55 Ristolainen / Dahlin / Skinner / Pominville / Nylander / etc etc !
im just here to find out where the hell to move to from italy to be able to actually play hockey more than 1 hour a week, i cant even go to the rink during the week with a stick and puck, cause you cant bring a stick and puck when the rink is open for free skating, cause of all the people coming on dates and stuff
Regarding the Blue and Orange jersey in the back, Bollnäs is not a hockey team. They play something called Bandy :) Great show and i vote for Stockholm, Helsinki, Cologne, Manchester, Paris and Prague.
BOLLNÄS Did Something Right ! To get Their JERSEY on a SHOW LIKE THIS !
Hockey is currently not that big in Stockholm though, even though they've got the biggest arena. And the main two Stockholm teams doesn't even play in it, they play in a smaller one. Gothenburg is the biggest hockey city in Sweden currently
Glasgow would be good venue as we have the sse hydro arena as its capacity is a fair size
I would make a conference not a division just for travel. So you would have a East, West, and Europe conference.
The United Center in Chicago holds the most people, the Bell Center is second in the NHL. Awesome idea fellas!
Interestig thoughts about German hockey . In Gemany, I think the intrest in Hockey isyear very small. There are some cities were hockey is number one sports like Mannheim, Iserlohn and Straubing but these are without an really good soccer team. Germanys U20 Eishockey Nationalteam battle hard at the Moment to come in the A Division next year.
I attend a game at the Oz Arena in Prague. Great venue!
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Average attendance in Berlin with a capacity of 15.000 is at around 11.500 visitors per game(76.6%).
Comparing to Cologne with an average attendance of 9.500 at a capacity of 19.000(50%)...
The numbers speak for themselves and they don't lie
Agree with the goat including the Champions league with local competitions with soccer (football). But you need to remember, those games are much more spread out than hockey is. I love the idea, just need to get the transportation and scheduling done first.
I’d say Helskinki, Gothenburg, Oslo, St. Petersburg, Prague, Cologne, Minsk, and Birmingham (Birmingham only because Manchester already has two huge premier league teams so it would be hard to compete with them for fans)
This City IS Called Helsinki / Helsinkis IS in Finnish HELSINGIN ! Its Not a Drink / Even IT has The Gin !
My list:
1. Stockholm
2. Helsinki
3. St. Petersbourgh
4. Prague
5. Bratislava
6. One Swiss team (Bern, Geneva, Zürich)
7. Berlin or Cologne
8. Riga
Honourable mentions: Paris, Minsk, Malmö, Brno, Kobenhavn, Oslo,
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They are building new arena to Helsinki called Helsinki carden and they are going to have about 16 thousand seats.
If they were to exoand to europe, they would probably have to do an entire third european conference, that way you could reduce travel to mostly europe for those teams and then one maybe two bigger roadtrips to NA.
I believe Belfest are supposed to be hosting an NHL side in an exhibition match next year.
I don’t want this to happen but
Helsinki
Gothenburg
Zürich
Berlin
Cologne
St.Petersburg
Moscow
Prague
The reason i don't think an NHL team in Sweden would work is the fact that fans here are so fiercely loyal to their teams, and that ticket prices for NHL teams are so high. Arizona has the cheapest avg. ticket price in the NHL at 72 dollars Djurgården that plays in Stockholm has an avg. ticket price of 25 dollars. So you would have to draw people away from teams they have supported most of their lifes and make them pay at least three times as much to watch a team they have no connection with.
Technically the KHL is the second biggest hockey league because it has the second moet Teams, but actually the swiss league has more average watchers per game and more money per team and per player.
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Gothenburg would be the best choice for Sweden imo. If they get to keep Frölunda Indians as their name if they join they would definitely fill 17000 majority of the games.
Building a new arena like any other city in Sweden would have to do. Even Globen is not nearly big enough for NHL
There are discussions about scrapping Scandinavium and building a new arena anyway. Will probably be a few years before it actually happens but and I don´t know anything about the capacity of the new arena. In time of the hypothetical euro division a new arena will probably be built already.
I doubt Gothenburg is big enough. If private investors buy out Djurgården, AIK and Hammarby and build a modern arena they would make it. But Gothenburg isn’t big enough.
Manchester Regals
Oslo Osebergs (Named after the Viking Longships)
Stockholm Broadswords
Helsinki Anvils
Moscow Czars
Copenhagen Wolves
Prague Jagrs
Bern Army Knives
Though personally I'd put a full half the league there and have them and the NA branch not play eachother until the cup final
What if we had a champions league like they do in soccer. NHL Champs, KHL Champs, Swedish Elite Champs, Finish Champs, Swiss Champs, German champs play in little tournament to see who is the best hockey club in the world.
The Fozzy Bear There is a Champions Hockey League in europe, where the best teams of most european countries play each other, like in the champions league in soccer. But it is not really popular and has just very little spectator attendance.
@@nirutivan9811 Include NHL Champs and play it in North America.
@@thefozzybear it would make more sense to have the NHL team go to Europe and play because then only 1 team has a lot of travel plus it would add notoriety for the Tournament in Europe and help it grow
The problem I have is that I don’t see a whole country rallying around one cities team
If it’s one team per country they should just be called say Finland or Great Britain
I love hockey! ALOT! I Live in sweden and my favorite team is Frölunda Indians
Would it possible to make a European championship and have the best 4 play against the 4 best NHL teams?
No hockey fan culture in London. Nottingham, Sheffield and Belfast are the UK cities where hockey sells.
15:41 25 years from now it could be possible if air travel advances (Tesla) like traveling anywhere in the world in 1-2 hours.
Group A. Rome, Paris, Berlin, Athens and Edinburgh/Stockholm :) Sound awesome doesn't it? ;)
I'd love to see the NHL become more global. One of the appeals of Soccer for me is that it's played everywhere in the world, it's a truly global sport. The issue though is that, Hockey isn't cheap to play, so socio economics will always hold back the growth in certain parts of the world. That and it's most likely going to stay in the northern hemisphere for obvious reasons.
Well we can have a global Cup but independent of the NHL and the European Leagues. That's why the football Champions League is so popular.
Pragues arena is called the O2 arena
Yeah Neil my friend is the no.1 goal scorer for the mk lightning and has played 10 less games than the majority of the team
They should have Zagreb in the NHL. Imagine if they play the Final in June and then in 2 hours go to the great beaches in Dalmatia.
Just for your information :D hockey is really big in this part of Germany. There have been i think about 10 DEL clubs in a 100 km circle around cologne. Some of the oldest and most traditional clubs come from the area.
btw. they arena in bern hasn't 17000 seats in it. it has a 17000 capacity but only a 7000 seated. it features the biggest terrace stand in european hockey though with a capacity of almost 10000. that would'nt work in the american market. the cologne capacity is also far lower if they install seats on their terrace stands (at least in cologne that would be possible as they sometimes do this for concerts). my point is basically that you cannot compare the european arenas to the american ones solely on their spectator capacity. we also have far fewer stalls installed behind the stands which would make it very difficult to offer the same entertainment or 'distractions' as our euro hockey purists would call it. so basjcally there is not a single arena in europe which has NHL standards
The problem with this is that most people in Sweden, Finland etc, do not want any team in an international new league. And not many people here in Europe would change team or have two favorite teams. And I also think that people would stop going to games in European leagues and only go to NHL games where they can watch much better hockey.
The jetlag gotta be a problem in KHL. I mean if CSKA Moscow are playing Admiral Vladivostok, they have to travel half around the globe.
Are those Bollnäs and Skövde jerseys you have there?
1. Berlin
2. Helinski
3. Oslo
4. Frankfurt
5. Warsaw
6. Prague
7. London
8. Vienna
Alternates:
Minsk
Paris
Munich
I agree with Helsinki, Stockholm, Moscow and Bern. For Germany, Munich would be an option as well.
But in my opinion none of the other cities/countries could support an NHL team at NHL ticket prices - the cities are either too small (e.g. Belfast) or too poor (Most of Eastern Europe). You could probably fill arenas in Prague, Minsk etc. at local prices, but not at prices that are NHL level (100$+ per game).
Even in Germany you couldnt draw a big crowd if the prices are like the NHL prices. Germany is a difficult market in prices for sporting events.
@@BlackeyeLP Yes, you are probably right. But that wasn't the direction I was aiming for. I would doubt that in most European countries people would be willing to pay as much for Sports as they do in the US. My point was that people in Eastern European countries could not afford NHL prices, unrelated if they wanted to or not. For example, the average person in Belarus earns roughly 470 USD a month - no way someone who earns that could spend 50$ for sitting in the nosebleeds for a single game.
In Germany, UK, Sweden, Finland etc. there are at least enough people who could afford it, but that doesn't mean they would be willing to pay that much.
@@Valokaari That are crazy prices. We already complained about the prices in Cologne and those were from 37€ to 99€ (normal seats) and up to 250€ for premium seating. That are prices Bayern München wants for Bundesliga matches... Normal prices in Cologne are from 15€ to 44€.
What could be a profitable league is, is a subsidiary league similar to the nfl Europe that could biuld and develop nhl level players all over Europe
One thing to note, air travel is becoming more efficient, fuel-wise. There is nothing that they are doing with regards to the speed of it though. Airlines will save billions on fuel costs, but your trip from NA to EU will still take 9 hours unfortunately.
Well if NHL would expand to Europe, they would add a whole new division for European teams. So for the majority of the time, European teams would play against other European teams in the regular season. And then for the cross-division games, teams could make a trip for like 5-10 away games in a row, where American teams come to Europe to play against all teams during one trip and vice versa. That's how it already is, but just make it in a bigger scale.
How would you guys propose the teams would enter the league?
Hypothetically if the KHL crumpled, I think the only way this could happen is the way the WHA teams came in. As in keep their current roster. An 8 team expansion draft although exciting would be insane. I don't think you could do 4 teams at a time either. Travel on the first 4 would be awful until the full division was in the league.
Well now 4 years later khl crumpled
London, Paris, Berlin, Helsinki, Stockholm, St. Petersburg, and Moscow.
Y’all should do a 16 or possibly 32 team European Athletic Union or E Hockey U. With an international championship with the NHL
NHL will become much more fun because of fans instead of go _____ go or let's go _____
Im from Latvia and Dinamo Riga actually played against Coyotes and we won so it would be awesome to have a team in nhl
Did They Have Raanta / Domi / then ?