All I'm saying is that if they do set a team up in London is HAS to be called the Redcoats. They'd be the instant bad guys of the league (which England loves to be in sports) and they'd have an instant rivalry with the Patriots.
@@shinigamiryan5837 Right? Like all I'm saying is that if you want English fans to really rally around a team then make them the bad guy. Just look at English soccer fans if you dont believe me.
Im english and as cool as this would be it wont ever happen, the red coats massacred a lot of people, specifically in south africa also the english and european public will keep hating american football until it changes its name, rugby and american football are both games created from football, but to europeans, american football is the ripoff thats why it wont take off
The NBA is planning to potentially put an expansion in Mexico City. That would work for the NFL as well. I'm for international expansion in all pro sports, with that being said I agree that we should start with the Americas first. To use an analogy the NFL is like an expanding city, it would be better to expand on the nearest land and not a spot with thousands of miles of ocean between them.
@@codfishish199 it doesn’t make much money though, the government pays to keep it alive and is why they didn’t play throughout Covid, An NFL team in Toronto could do as well as the blue jays and raptors, also finding an owner isn’t hard as they could propose this to MLSE who owns the Raptors and the maple leafs
Expansion to Canada and Mexico would be way more realistic. But if they wanted to add a conference in the EU, then most likely every team would be in England. Germany also loves the NFL and would be a second country as an option. Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Netherlands, and Denmark are also options, but most other countries in the EU don't have big NFL fans.
1. expansion would almost never happen in canada per conflict with the cfl 2. expansion would almost NEVER happen in mexico 3. the nfl has been planning european expansion for years 4. germany has more nfl fans (and more avid nfl fans) than the uk 5. a london franchise has been in discussion since circa 2018 6. during the nfl europa days EVERY TEAM was located in germany because the uk spain and nederlands franchises were insolvent (though the claymores and monarchs were at least decently popular) and 7. germany is the only nation in europe which has proven capacity to FULLY support a big league franchise 8. especially the city of frankfurt which LOVES american football for some reason 9. germany spearheads an existing european american football league (the EFL) which has grown rapidly in recent years 10. england has almost nothing of that caliber
Canada wouldn't be worth it, it's not really a new broadcast market and is already highly NFL saturated. People who want to watch the NFL in Canada are all already doing so. They don't care about attendance since that is small fry. London would be more profitable since it would open up new broadcast deals and value to an 'unsaturated' market. (Over 10 million people live in London) It would also be the beach-head in trying to develop more interest and even teams elsewhere in Europe. It might not be viable to have a team on it's own in London but in any plan for a European division London is an obvious choice, particularly since the owner of Tottenham Hotspur, Daniel Levy, made sure to design the new stadium in such a way that it could easily operate as an NFL stadium with a retractable pitch and giant NFL-grade locker rooms. The retractable pitch means that it can hosts Tottenham matches and NFL games with a days notice and without the NFL games adding wear and tear to the pitch. ruclips.net/video/o9kDe1eOn64/видео.html Finding stadiums will be the big problem for the NFL here. The NFL is really set on every game being a big high event in a large well-equipped stadium, they won't accept playing in smaller venues but will the larger ones either want or be able to accommodate their schedule?. Building their own one seems like a really big risk. (And likely quite difficult with it almost certainly being well away from the city centre of whatever city they're operating in)
Im a Londoner who goes to every London game and at least 1 in Philly every season. I don’t think a franchise or division here would work here. Most fans are genuine fans but its dominated by Americans, American expats, Germans and Dutch. Not to mention it feels like 50% of the seats are given to celebrities and social media influencers to promote it. Half time show is forced and i dont think we can sell out wembley every Sunday after a few weeks. I say keep this going as an annual treat for us, lose the celebrities and the pageantry. 8 games is plenty for any city. Fix the season ticket problem for real fans
I think it could work, definitely NOT a division though. There are some tough logistical issues, but the NFL has handled worse before. Also, there are 7 MILLION (not just american) fans in the UK, which is more than a a good amount of NFL teams. If i think the nfl is expanding. I think its going to probably be in america and south america though. (Im also an eagles fan btw)
100% this. The novelty will die off, people won’t be willing to give up time watching their “soccer” teams or rugby etc to take on American Football. In the uk you just don’t really grow up with a passion for American football, it’s not played in schools or the parks, you rarely see attire in stores unless it’s like a raiders hat that people don’t even know what it really is. You have to acquire and interest in the sport. For me I got into it because I have American relatives, I’ve watched the Super Bowl every year for 15+ years, I can’t really sit through regular games because it just doesn’t keep you glued like soccer does. That’s another issue for the European market. We have this new ELF league in Europe, unfortunately with no Uk team right now, they should monitor how this does, and potentially form a post season tour + tournament were ELF teams take on CFL and NFL teams etc for an American football version of the Club World Cup. Of course you’d expect the nfl teams to steam roll it but it’d be fun nevertheless.
The trouble is, the NFL doesn’t have the appeal to really have a division over here in Europe. It’s fanbase is in the minority in Europe. Sure, they may sell out Wembley when they have games over here but they are off off events. American football isn’t a global sport in comparison to soccer. If a European division was set up it probably won’t last long.
Great video! As a Brit who has gradually got more into the NFL over the last 4 years I would love to see an NFL Europe team. Instead of picking a team at random to support we can support a home team. The world is a lot more globalised than years past. NFL highlights on RUclips for instance really do engage the fans! Over here as the "afternoon" kicks off don't finish until gone 12:30 on a Monday morning and prime time games just do not exist. The two things I think the NFL can learn from Europe sports are 1. Local rivals, when Man u and Man city or Arsenal Tottenham play it takes over the city. The teams hate each other! If there were to be a shake up of divisions let's put the jets and giants together, rams, chargers together. Get them to play twice a year and let the city rivalry blossom. Not just historical rivalry as we have those as well (Man U, Liverpool. Or Arsenal Man u for example) but location rivalry regardless of how well the teams are playing is always a big game! 2. in the last week's of the season the bottom of the league is almost more entertaining than the top. With the risk of getting relegated to a lower division teams will do anything to stay up. Not sure how the NFL could achieve this with set divisions. Unless you just split the 34 teams in 2. Get rid of divisions and just play people in your league (1 or 2). And then you have the top 8 teams from league 1 fighting for a playoff bracket, top 3 teams from league 2 fighting for a promotion place and everyone else at the bottom end of league 1 fighting to not to get relegated. The draft order would have to be worked on, but that would be interesting. It means that every game matters, and at the end of the season there are very little dead rubbers
love to see a brit that’s an nfl fan 🙌🏽. But as an american I don’t think the second point is the best of recommendations, as the teams are playing for the top picks in the draft. I like the first point tho and I’ve always wanted them to do that
1. Actually that’s probably the push to have a NFL division in Europe. They’re filled with the biggest rivalries and are heavily geographically based. If London proves to be successful to football I can see them having 2 different NFL teams in London. Based on rivalries I could see their being another team in Manchester and those 2-3 teams being in the same division. 2. No clue how it works. In the NBA/MLB/NHL they have a dart lottery for the top pick so that teams wouldn’t intentionally try to lose to get it. It doesn’t hurt rivalries (except ego). I know some bears fans who wouldn’t mind being 2-15 as long as the 2 wins were against the packers.
As an American that loves your version of football, picking your side is a lovely rite of passage that you shouldn't deny yourself. It's a fun process. You get established fans vying for your support, you get to learn about all the teams, and even a bit of geography. You also find yourself tied to the place. For example, I chose Portsmouth FC (when they were still fan-owned) and now I'm quite enamored with England's south coast. I would HATE to see a couple of American premier league clubs. They would just be in NY and LA anyway - two of America's worst cities 🤮. I LOVE that I got to choose Pompey through a long process instead of being born into a team like I was with other sports teams here.
In the states there used to be this type of rivalry, at least in the bay. The San Francisco 49ers and (then) Oakland raiders used to have games. But the games were wayyy to violent. Eventually we just stopped having regular seasonal games together after there were shootings at these games
As a european, I dont think this will be happening in the near future. They will slowly build up audiences in europe with these one off games, set up partnerships with bars, betting places, build out some basic permanent infrastructure as ways to introduce people to the sport, support some youth leagues, a LOT of adverisementa, and THEN, in i’d say 10-15 years, a european division. Even then I think it’ll be very german dominated, which does make me sad as an eastern european, but germans love their NFL snd ELF more than anyone else.
As a new NFL fan from Greece it would be awesome to be expanded in Europe. It would make NFL even more popular and accessible to us, Europeans. Can't wait to see this becoming real!
What an awesome and interesting video. Is am from Cologne(Germany), the city of the football (soccer) club you took the clips from and I would love to have a division here in Europe and I think it will actually work out this time. Just by looking at all the London games and now this year the Munich game took it on a complete different level, they sold out 72.000 tickets in a couple of seconds, over 1.5 million people wanted to buy a ticket. The hype about football is big here, but just like Rodger Godell said, the biggest problem is making competitive teams. If you look at the ELF it’s not competitive at all, but I think the NFL will figure something out and I’ll hope I can go to an away game to the US in couple of years with my European team. Btw I hope it will be my hometown team the Cologne centurions :)
that was SOOO promising to see the passion in Germany. Wish i went to that game as well. Already planning a trip for next season! I appreciate the long form response here
@@Max-Films to be honest the GFL isn’t relevant and competitive at all and I don’t know much about that Leguage! The ELF is more promising but still no comparison either the NFL. The ELF starts to bring more and more fans to the local teams, the Leguage home game average is still at 4.000 but growing. But both Leguages are no match to the NFL. Europe needs some big Investors behind a team and bring some American stars oversees and build a team around them. All of them could join, but it will only be the name and the logo that joins, the team, the staff, the facility has to change!
Terrible idea. Mexico/Canada expansion makes sense, but I’d think there would have to be a whole other conference of at least 8 teams in Europe to make it work well. NFC, AFC, EFC.
Nice vid! Very keen UK Bengals fan here. 4 well placed and marketed teams would do very well in Europe. It would involve a lot of challenges for every corner of the NFL overall as a business, but it is the next logical step. It’s a matter of when, not if. In terms of the culture, it will build around it with its own local traditions like different parts of the US does. The game in Munich looked absolutely amazing, and if London had a franchise with everyone backing it, it would find is character & soul very quickly.
The whole issue to me is the timing and travel. It's going to be fully unfair for the teams who need to play 11 games with a 6+ hour time difference. Along with that, broadcasting SNF or MNF or even the 4pm games for European teams are going to be middle of the night. It's not really possible for anyone.
I think that's why he wants a division, that way you can gain TV rights money in new territories (Or rather more lucrative deals) with a local division playing at appropriate times for local audiences. (Given the direction of the time difference the European games would be during waking hours for American audiences) Then you can have interest from the new audiences in the playoffs even if you don't adjust the times for US only games for them.
@@tobyjohnson9136 I agree that's the best approach, but what happens when the London Wooden teeth play the 49ers in SF? That's what I think is the biggest difficulty. 8 hour time difference is gonna cause a headache for that. They're gonna need to add a permanent morning slot to make sure that games aren't all night time or midnight in the UK
Having NFL teams in Europe will be like two Philadelphia teams playing each other just drunks cursing at each other and fighting, we need a fam fight cam.
I highly doubt we see full time NFL teams in Europe any time soon. More games maybe, full time franchises I don’t think so. Who is going to want to sign with London and pay the taxes and basically get doubly screwed or Germany and deal with their high cots of living. I doubt very much many players are going to want to go full time in Europe.
Instead of just AFC and NFC, have the playoffs also comprise of an NFL European Conference and the #1 or top 2 from the CFL. Schedule it so that the European teams play mostly each other during the regular season for logistical reasons (which would hopefully develop stronger local rivalries and feed off existing European rivalries), and the CFL keeps its autonomy with the distinct Canadian rules, playoffs and schedule.
the only problem is that nobody is going to want to be traded from an American team to a European team. it's already bad enough if they get traded from the 49ers to the Patriots or something.
it would be cool if they made a whole European league and they can't trade players to America then each "league" had a superbowl and the winner of each superbowl goes to the super duper bowl where it's the best team from America and the best team from Europe.
yeah definetly not. it would need to be like basketball where the international leagues are closely related to the NFL and sometimes play exhibition games in the preseason
Ask the average European NFL fan and they’ll tell you they don’t want a European team, we go the London games to see the US teams we have supported for years !! A new European expansion team holds no appeal to us !!
I think an underrated issue is that any franchise located in the European Union would have to comply to EU laws and regulations. You would need a specialized lawyer to really dig into this but I think lot of the practices of the NFL are pretty illegal in the EU. And labour law and regulations are completely different in any European country in comparison with the US. And make no mistakes, the EU will go after them hard if they think the NFL is not compliant.
I would think the season gets extended if this happens to 19 weeks but 2 bye weeks hopefully. This could help with the Thursday night problem and long travel games for Europe matches. Help not solve but it would be interesting
I think you should have mentioned the current european football league located primarily in germany and surrounding countries (the european league of football, not to be confused with the other europe leagues you mentioned).
The European division wouldn’t be able to acquire any free agents. Making players move to Europe is not attractive to FA. The teams would be really bad.
I love watching the game but I think part of the success of the London series is because it's a chance for UK fans to experience it live and for ex-pat US fans to watch their team abroad. The passion is there and UK fans love the game but it works right now as it is. This feels like a cash grab. (However I do love the idea floated below of the London Red Coats!)
What your video is missing is an understanding of European sports culture. In USA we view sports as like a Vegas show, legally it is this way too. NFL and American pro sports is entirely top down. European sports culture is club based, it is completely grassroots. Think of these clubs as our country clubs but not for the elite, pretty much every village and community has one (or more). NFL is so far removed from it's fans, unlike in europe. NFL has room to grow as a spectical, but the sport generally does not. This is because of the price of entry and tradition. You can't replicate the passion club soccer in the NFL because ticket prices are extremely high, rich people don't bring atmosphere. Most Americans frame of reference to European soccer is the Premier League of England. But funny enough, the premier league often has worse atmosphere than the NFL. This is due to classism, history (Hillsborough), and... ticket prices. England's top league is the most American in my opinion. Stadium atmosphere in Germany, Italy, Serbia, Turkey is far far superior to that of England... and the United States. This is because the sport is grassroots and prices are lower, i.e. more accessible, to working class people and the clubs represent a very niche part of their community. European sports are based around clubs, which are wholly independent of eachother and not owned by the league. American pro sports are Franchises, like McDonald's, they are operated by their owner, but in reality owned by the league. This is why the NFL is so insanely profitable. A few years ago a few of the elite soccer teams tried to form a "Super League" i.e. the NFLization of European club soccer. In which these few select teams tried to create their own league, without promotion-relegation and keeping 100% of the profits. There were literal riots in the streets. I don't think more than one NFL franchise, if that even, could make it in Europe long term. Right now only the upper middle and upper classes attend NFL games in Europe, prices are high, and these people can afford the tickets and a weekend in London (really really expensive (normally, the Pound is at a low right now)). When teams play in London you have the whole world attend, not really local people. My friends in Germany go to the games in London, they can afford it. The people live adjacent to Tottenham Stadium? Not so much. Europeans are passionate about soccer because "its soccer" or just because "they're European", it's deeper than that. The degree of separation from the clubs and the communities is tiny compared to NFL's billionaire owners and the cities they relocate their franchises around a massive country
If they go international, I pray that it isn’t in Europe because the logistics behind that, would be a nightmare. Home and away games would be a nightmare for both teams when you account jet lag
I’m surprised they would do this before going to Canada. I’m more surprised that they don’t expand in the states first. There are plenty of cities here who still want a team and enough of them would make enough money for an expansion team to be worth the venture. Kind of sad in a way, as someone without a team in my city I feel slighted.
Logistically and from a tax standpoint, with the Jock tax and Europe’s high tax rate, not to mention value if the dollar compared to the pound will make this unlikely.
Met the man behind the curtain today at my job as a bartender and i gotta say he's just as nice as you would think he'd be in person. Proud he's from the burgh.
There is an obsession with expansion in Europe, but what is the only country in the world with a decent league outside the USA with stadiums and fans? The answer is very easy Canada (the CFL), which is also a USA neighbor. I don't really understand but for me the most logical thing is a North American summer league between Canada (CFL) and a USA merger of (XFL and USFL) . Europe could have their own league and for NFL more than 32 teams are so much teams . if the NHL could do it, why is it so difficult ?
As a NFL fan from the UK I don’t think it would work having a team here as we fans have already chosen established teams (mine are the Jets) so I don’t think they would get a hardcore following and would seem abit gimmicky in my opinion
The betting culture aspect you showed wasn't accurate. Those physical betting stores are only really used by those betting on horse races, some betting shops are the only places to watch some events. Typically fans bet via mobile apps and there's a dozens of betting companies that only operate via app.
My idea is to bring back some of the NFLE Teams , that did really well, for instance, The England Monarchs, Frankfurt Galaxy, Rhein Fire, Hamburg Sea Devils, Berlin Thunder, and the Cologne Centurions , to make up the NFL Europe Division, to make a 40 Team NFL. The NFL needs to play World wide Football and what better way, than to have NFL Teams playing in the European area. The Football Fans would go to the NFL Football Games, if it was Their Own Team.
The biggest Issue I see, is the time, a full NFL game can take 3 hours, which is in stark contrast to a Soccer game that takes half that time. The NFL would need a way to make the games shorter
NFL team in europe is not a good idea and i'm from europe. I see it as an american game . I don't think i would change my fandom and cheer for London team instead of Vikings.
I don't really support a European team. I mean, I am German, but the ELF we have since 2021 is way more competitive then European teams would be against the American ones
hey man I love the video. I think they should put a team in Paris, Germany(idk what city), Madrid, and London. I think a team representing each country would work well and bring in fans from the area and increase interest in the sport.
Great video Frank. I'm a Patriots fan and a "season" ticket holder for the international series games in London and have gone to almost every game since 2011. What I think makes the London games a success is it is a destination event, fans travel at great expense from all over the UK and Europe to attend the games. Would that business model work with 8 or 9 home games? I'm not sure, I certainly don't think they could sell out Wembley with 85k seats that many times a year, but that's why the NFL partnered with Tottenham Hotspur and the 60k capacity there is much more realistic (and has the advantage of being designed with NFL in mind such as dedicated locker rooms and better sightlines). Would I stop supporting the Patriots to follow a London team? That question I really don't know yet.
That's always been my doubt... I'm a Giants fan. Went to a few Wembley and it is a great way for fans to get their NFL fix but every team is represented in the stands. English fans are known for their loyalty, just look at the Championship attendance figures. But I would never give up supporting the Giants just because a Lomdon team has popped up and I imagine most of the UK based fans are the same.
Players would absolutely hate that. Flying that far with the time changes and the tight schedule is awful. Especially having to fly that far that often. The nfl already has an issue with travel. This would make it 100x worse
Interesting video. I don’t think a franchise will work in the UK.. at the moment the NFL games are a novelty, so you’ll get a lot of tourists etc would you be expecting to see 90k every home game? Also competing for eyes/fans with the EPL on game days might be a reality check/shock. I play in a fantasy league and watch the NFL on tv but haven’t bothered to go to a game, here in London because if I want to get the “real” experience , I’d make an effort to go to the USA. The current experience is “USA lite” which is ok..
I think if the NFL should put ONE team on the UK, to avoid that issue. An an american the sport is a lot more fun when you have a local team to root for, so I think that won’t be an issue.
I think it’d make more sense to have an international division. Perhaps teams in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal, one in Mexico City, one in London and one in Germany. Would make more sense and less travel.
Honestly, it’d be better if Europe just had their own league. An NFL team isn’t gonna sell 60k tickets every Sunday in London. Europe probably could sustain their own league in smaller arenas. Edit: it’d make more sense expanding to other American cities like Portland, Boisie, Alabama, places where people actually love football and would die hard support a team.
Honestly I think the NFL should do what hockey does when they add a new team and thats give the Probably 10 firsts 15 2nds, 20 3rds and then proceed on the draft as normal what they should also do is add competent Gm's, coaches, and slowly integrate more highly skilled europeans on the team that way it still is more of a home-grown euro team while still being competitive
The logistics would be difficult but if the nfl is able to get a another agreement with Tottenham Hotspur’s then they will have a stadium (the Tottenham Hotspur’s stadium is a dual purpose stadium for football(soccer) and the NFL which has a retractable soccer pitch to reveal a NFL field. It would then probably mean the teams in America would have to fund all the costs for going to England all though the nfl could continue to fund the trip. While the logistics of getting teams to England would be difficult I think the logistics of the England team going to America would be harder since they would most likely play all 8 games in a row. So the England team would need to set up a home base in America for training and other purposes the easiest way to have this would be if a NFL team is willing to share their facilities but the next easiest way to use the facilities of a college team and the hardest/most expensive way is if the England built their own facilities in America and after the team have a home base in America the logistics would be similar of any other team playing a away game It’s would be difficult but it certainly isn’t impossible although the players would probably be the best payed players in the league since most of them would likely be American. But problems can be ironed out so a franchise in England would certainly be possible england is the most likely country in Europe to get a franchise first and then other European countries would come after if it even is on the table since I am only aware of the NFL wanting a franchise in England at the moment and I haven’t heard of the nfl wanting a franchise in other European countries like Germany for example although Germany is the most likely place for a second European team
Not anytime soon Starting a new team in London would initially create a spark and some fan support ( remember NFLs fans in London have their favourite teams already and wouldn’t automatically switch to the local team just like that ) to sustain interest they would have to compete and win difficult for an expansion team that is 3000 miles away from the rest of the league London has about 20 stadiums that can seat 20000 plus with 5 that can hold over 60000 you start losing and the interest wanes they will end playing in the smallest of these You need also local boys to be part of it , yeah there might be a few Rugby players who could change code but transition is hard if you don’t have local interest then it’s just a team of American players playing an american sport again if you are winning maybe okay but getting pancaked every week it not going to work It’s been tried before in other sports Super Rugby in the southern hemisphere had teams on 3 continents and it never worked that well , teams went on tour to play their away games in batches to limit the travel burden so you had weeks on end where your team was on the road attendance in the games drifted away
As a Canadian, I can speak for the country saying not a whole lotta people enjoy or watch the CFL. We eat up the NFL market way more than CFL because it’s obviously the most prominent league. I feel like a Canadian expansion is more ideal, logistically way easier and Canadians would go absolutely nuts to have a couple local teams.
So will the European universities start playing American football so we have more players in the draft? Let's b honest there's not enough talent to populate the current nfl, imo!
@jeo8998 yeah lots of quality NFL caliber starting players. That's why they're sitting at home and not on a team. I'll Grant u there's some players out there worth grabbing but not 22 starters for 4 teams.
I play American football in Europe (yes it exists) and there’s many teams that have been here for many years, the community is there and I’m sure that starting in Europe won’t be hard
Why expand into Europe? It already takes so much time and effort and money to just travel across the US. Why not just merge the CFL with NFL, and maybe add a Mexican division. I doubt a European team would wanna travel like 30000 km in a month.
The first ever original American Football in Europe, was founded in 1978, the Frankfurt Löwen (Lions), the Düsseldorf Panther followed few weeks later. On their first matchup there was about 3000 spectators, without really commercials and the most spectators have no idea of "American Football" at this time. So both Teams found the Football "Bundesliga" who became later the German Football League. The Original six teams are the Frankfurt Löwen (Lions), the Düsseldorf Panther, Ansbach Grizzlies, Bremerhaven Seahawks, Berlin Bears (Who became Berlin Adler(Eagles) later and also the Munich Cowboys. The Frankfurt Lions disappeared in 1984 without any further information, so the Düsseldorf Panthers are the oldest Football Team in Europe. With the Munich Cowboys the Panthers plays in the GFL, all other teams plays in lower divisions. The german Football Organisation AFVD is the Main Organisation (like USA Football) and also organize the GFL, GFL Bowl, and the national team and also some events like GFL Bowl, and more. Then there was the NFL with the WLAF/NFL Europe between 1991 and 2007 and in 2022 the European League of Football (ELF) starting their first ever season. The ELF get a licence from the NFL to use the Names of former NFL Europe Teams so in 2021 the Frankfurt Galaxy, Cologne Centurions, Hamburg Sea Devils, Berlin Thunder, Barcelona Dragons uses the old names, only the "Leipzig Kings" and the Wroclaw Panthers was new branded Teams. In 2022 the Rhein Fire was back on Field, also the Stuttgart Surge joins, also to teams from Austria, the Tyrol Raiders and the Vienna Vikings join the League. Also Teams like the Munich Ravens, Fehervar ENthroners, Prague Lions, Milano Seaman, Paris Musketeers, Madrid Bravos came in to this League. Right before the 2022 Championship Game the League also welcomes the Nordic Storm from Kopenhagen/Malmö. This league is growing and also shown on different European TV Channels, and so some Teams get bigger stadiums then the local Teams who plays in there Local Organisations. The local organisations are same like in other european Sports. The Players plays for fun, there are no professionals, go to university to study, or going to work from 9 to 5 like everybody. The ELF try to use a franchise System to create more powerfull teams. That also results that 2 Teams are allready leave to league and are shutdown: the Istanbul Rams and the Leipzig Kings are History now. Some teams get trouble to find a stadium to play regular. Like the Hamburg Sea Devils who played in 2024 only 1 Game in Hamburg. There searching a Stadium who fills their requirements. Same Situation is now happend in Berlin who the Homestadium of the Berlin Thunder get rebuild, so the thunder are in a need for a new homebase for the next years. For Fans the League became more powerfull the the local leagues, and the ELF is live on TV, (Example: GFL is only online via Streaming). But also there is a big difference in the League between the powerfull teams (Rhein Fire, Stuttgart Surge, Vienna Vikings, Prague Musketeers ) and the Teams on the lower levels: Prague Lions, Fehervar Enthroners, Milano Seaman, Barcelona Dragons: The Teams playing in Front of maybe 500 - 1500 Spectators, the Rhein Fire plays in a bigger Stadium in Duisburg (A soccer Stadium for 31000 Spectators) so the Fire get more Money from the Fans, who also was a part at the former NFL Europe) so the got 10000+ Customers on the most games . Only 1 Game was about 8500 Spectators, as the bis stadium get a new roof so the Fire was moving to a smaller stadium. The Frankfurt Galaxy, who became the first ever Champion of ELF got ther all time high spectators against the RheinFire as the played the game outside Frankfurt in a bigger arena in the neighbour City. Also the most teams are Trying to go to bigger stadiums: Munich -> Nürnberg, Stuttgart -> Hoffenheim. Frankfurt -> Offenbach, Hamburg -> Bremen/Hannover. So Football is also growing in Europe. Most Players are non professionells, only Import Players (From US, other European countries (French Players in Austria, Germans in Spain) or outside Europe/from Asia, Mexico, etc) will get an Appartement, maybe a car, some money( for their time with the teams)
Wonderful, most people can't pay for gas to get to work, the store, or day care, or even dream of affording to take a family to a football game. but now the NFL id going to fly their million dollar athletes to Europe thus again raising the ticket prices, cable tv subscriptions, and NFL trinkets and junk even higher. Go ahead guys =, price yourselves out of the American market and learn to speak Arabic and build closed stadiums in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar.
As a Dutch NFL fan, I don't believe an European division will be successful. Right now people travel all over Europe to attend the European games, but will they when instead of 4 there are 34 games in Europe? I don't think so, the sport is not big enough yet to have a successful franchise IMO
The biggest thing they will have to overcome is jet lag and low energy levels for the teams in Europe. I think that’s a significant concern, and also the teams that will need to travel there. You are going to either need to extend the season or spread out the jet lag among teams as evenly as possible
or you make it that the europe teams first play all their away games, than their home games and if a team plays a europe team twice they just stay here for a week
It would be so cool if we could make a deal with the Canadian Football League to give them some American teams and give the NFL some Canadian teams. The NBA, MLB and, obviously, NHL all have at least one Canadian team and it would be mutually beneficial for both markets and organizations.
If they expand I think it will be: London, Berlin, Dublin, Paris, Rome, Toronto, Mexico City, and Austin. NFC: West: LAR, SF, AZ, SEA, Austin North: MN, GB, DET, CHI, Toronto Mountain: LAC, LV, KC, DEN, Mexico City South: TB, NO, ATL, CAR, TEN AFC: Central: BAL, CIN, CLE, PIT, IND East: DAL, NYG, PHI, WAS, JAX Colonial: MIA, BUF, NE, NYJ, HOU Europa: London, Berlin, Rome, Dublin, Paris There could be a lot of improvements, this is just an idea.
Good start, but switch Mountain NFC to AFC (AFC heritage teams) with East AFC to NFC (NFC heritage teams), and put a team in Vancouver in the NFC west instead of Austin, Also switch JAX and HOU, so JAX and MIA are in the same division, and DAL and HOU are in the same division. NFC: West: LAR, SF, AZ, SEA, Vancouver North: MN, GB, DET, CHI, Toronto East: DAL, NYG, PHI, WAS, HOU South: TB, NO, ATL, CAR, TEN AFC: Central: BAL, CIN, CLE, PIT, IND Mountain: LAC, LV, KC, DEN, Mexico City Colonial: MIA, BUF, NE, NYJ, JAX Europa: London, Berlin, Rome, Dublin, Paris
Me again! The sections that didn’t return to their seats at the start of the 2nd half are the rich seats. They get a three course dinner and drinks so don’t really care about the game. No proper fan sits in those seats, they’re kept for sponsors, guests and out of touch rich people.
We had a rugby team over here who had to fly across the Atlantic for half their games or thereabouts, I and folded due to logistical and lack of money issues. I know players who said going to Toronto for a home game for the Wolfpack was a major, major disadvantage given they were in the uK one week, then Canada then back to the UK. In 2020, the club went under due to lack of money and logistical issues. That's a cautionary tale for any NFL team wanting to set up shop in London or anywhere in the UK. One or two games a year? No problem. Now imagine having to fly across the Atlantic, then adjust to a 5 to 8 hour time difference, then play, then fly back home to London. Logistically, it's too complicated. The NFL should just bring back NFL Europe and do that instead
The only reason Europe sells out is because theres a NFL game there only 4 times a year if that. I doubt Europe is gonna sell out 17 weeks for the next decade This is also gonna cause issues with soccer teams in the areas of Europe Travel is gonna be outrageous Taxes will be dubbed as NFL players would have to pay European taxes for even PLAYING. A game there (they pay taxes per state they play each game in). I think its jaded due to the fact that Europe doesn’t have its own teams so the numbers are spiking. What should happen is the NFL start their own league in Europe. And what would be cool is the winner of Europe’s super bowl plays winner of American super bowl. But to add teams from across the pond to play on the regular is foolish and roger G would regret that decision
my main concern would be the conference alignment. firstly, the conferences would completely fail because of them being called 'national' and 'american', of which the european franchises couldnt fit into. to change either of those would be erasing the AFL & super bowl culture. also, whichever conference is assigned the european teams would have 5 divisions, completely breaking the WC and playoff pictures. it would be unfair to the other teams of the conference if they had a 1/20 chance to make the playoffs while the other conference has a 1/16 chance. if an equal setting could be applied, a team would need to be added for each DIVISION (or make 2 whole divisions, both making the same amount of teams). MAYBE they could bring back the central divisions, but we would have to do some serious division realignment and end so many iconic rivalries.
Give the teams proxy locations to play for a certain number of weeks a year (preferably close to some nice expensive hotels) , and make the remaining games in the European team's cities. I guarantee you if this is marketed correctly a NFC Europe and AFC Europe would bring something special to the gridiron. This way, with proxy (host city) locations for a few weeks at least , I think that'd be a good transition. Reduce transit costs, and also keeps the players in a way where they can find consistency in routine. Hell, make one of the cities San Diego. I'm sure the future London Royals AND the abandoned mission town will thank the league.
The best way to do this would be to add 8 teams in total, 1 extra team per division. The current 17 game schedule is 6 games (home + away) against same division rivals, 4 games from an AFC division, and 4 games from an NFC division. That's 14 games, with 3 random ones thrown in. Just convert 2 of those 3 games into another home+away couplet from a new Division rival. This is just me laying out a fantasy scenario ignoring actual logistics, but I'd like to place a team into Toronto, Canada London, England Frankfurt, Germany Mexico City, Mexico Tokyo/Osaka, Japan And then there's 3 that could go in the Midwest and Hawaii
Should become 40 team league. European Division with London, Paris, Germany, and Dublin. Then a division for Canada plus Mexico City. The cities being Toronto, Vancouver, and either Calgary or Montreal.
American football teams are have in each country like Germany, Spain , Italy, Canada, UK, China, Mexico, South Korea, Australia, Netherlands, Iceland and the Philippines (just the newest American football teams)
At these European games how much are tickets selling for? How much merchandise are they selling? How much advertising $$$ are they bringing in? How are concessions sales? Is this actually a profitable venture?
All I'm saying is that if they do set a team up in London is HAS to be called the Redcoats. They'd be the instant bad guys of the league (which England loves to be in sports) and they'd have an instant rivalry with the Patriots.
I hate that as a New Englander, that'd be brilliant.
@@shinigamiryan5837 Right? Like all I'm saying is that if you want English fans to really rally around a team then make them the bad guy. Just look at English soccer fans if you dont believe me.
Im english and as cool as this would be it wont ever happen, the red coats massacred a lot of people, specifically in south africa also the english and european public will keep hating american football until it changes its name, rugby and american football are both games created from football, but to europeans, american football is the ripoff thats why it wont take off
@@Gallalad1 its not that they love to be or do, theyre just really fucking toxic and bratty
I'm with this take
Need an expansion to Canada, players would be more willing to play in Canada than in Europe and the travel is not bad
CFL is actively blocking them.
They don’t want to kill the CFL
The NBA is planning to potentially put an expansion in Mexico City. That would work for the NFL as well. I'm for international expansion in all pro sports, with that being said I agree that we should start with the Americas first. To use an analogy the NFL is like an expanding city, it would be better to expand on the nearest land and not a spot with thousands of miles of ocean between them.
The problem is Canada has their own league
@@codfishish199 it doesn’t make much money though, the government pays to keep it alive and is why they didn’t play throughout Covid, An NFL team in Toronto could do as well as the blue jays and raptors, also finding an owner isn’t hard as they could propose this to MLSE who owns the Raptors and the maple leafs
Expansion to Canada and Mexico would be way more realistic. But if they wanted to add a conference in the EU, then most likely every team would be in England. Germany also loves the NFL and would be a second country as an option. Scotland, Ireland, Wales, Netherlands, and Denmark are also options, but most other countries in the EU don't have big NFL fans.
1. expansion would almost never happen in canada per conflict with the cfl
2. expansion would almost NEVER happen in mexico
3. the nfl has been planning european expansion for years
4. germany has more nfl fans (and more avid nfl fans) than the uk
5. a london franchise has been in discussion since circa 2018
6. during the nfl europa days EVERY TEAM was located in germany because the uk spain and nederlands franchises were insolvent (though the claymores and monarchs were at least decently popular)
and 7. germany is the only nation in europe which has proven capacity to FULLY support a big league franchise
8. especially the city of frankfurt which LOVES american football for some reason
9. germany spearheads an existing european american football league (the EFL) which has grown rapidly in recent years
10. england has almost nothing of that caliber
You know if it happens I can see two teams in London and two teams in Germany.
Canada wouldn't be worth it, it's not really a new broadcast market and is already highly NFL saturated. People who want to watch the NFL in Canada are all already doing so. They don't care about attendance since that is small fry.
London would be more profitable since it would open up new broadcast deals and value to an 'unsaturated' market. (Over 10 million people live in London) It would also be the beach-head in trying to develop more interest and even teams elsewhere in Europe.
It might not be viable to have a team on it's own in London but in any plan for a European division London is an obvious choice, particularly since the owner of Tottenham Hotspur, Daniel Levy, made sure to design the new stadium in such a way that it could easily operate as an NFL stadium with a retractable pitch and giant NFL-grade locker rooms. The retractable pitch means that it can hosts Tottenham matches and NFL games with a days notice and without the NFL games adding wear and tear to the pitch.
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Finding stadiums will be the big problem for the NFL here. The NFL is really set on every game being a big high event in a large well-equipped stadium, they won't accept playing in smaller venues but will the larger ones either want or be able to accommodate their schedule?. Building their own one seems like a really big risk. (And likely quite difficult with it almost certainly being well away from the city centre of whatever city they're operating in)
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wasn't there a USFL team in Barcelona? the Dragons? or was that some other random league that opened and folded over the years?
Im a Londoner who goes to every London game and at least 1 in Philly every season. I don’t think a franchise or division here would work here. Most fans are genuine fans but its dominated by Americans, American expats, Germans and Dutch. Not to mention it feels like 50% of the seats are given to celebrities and social media influencers to promote it. Half time show is forced and i dont think we can sell out wembley every Sunday after a few weeks. I say keep this going as an annual treat for us, lose the celebrities and the pageantry. 8 games is plenty for any city. Fix the season ticket problem for real fans
I think it could work, definitely NOT a division though. There are some tough logistical issues, but the NFL has handled worse before. Also, there are 7 MILLION (not just american) fans in the UK, which is more than a a good amount of NFL teams. If i think the nfl is expanding. I think its going to probably be in america and south america though. (Im also an eagles fan btw)
100% this. The novelty will die off, people won’t be willing to give up time watching their “soccer” teams or rugby etc to take on American Football. In the uk you just don’t really grow up with a passion for American football, it’s not played in schools or the parks, you rarely see attire in stores unless it’s like a raiders hat that people don’t even know what it really is.
You have to acquire and interest in the sport. For me I got into it because I have American relatives, I’ve watched the Super Bowl every year for 15+ years, I can’t really sit through regular games because it just doesn’t keep you glued like soccer does. That’s another issue for the European market.
We have this new ELF league in Europe, unfortunately with no Uk team right now, they should monitor how this does, and potentially form a post season tour + tournament were ELF teams take on CFL and NFL teams etc for an American football version of the Club World Cup. Of course you’d expect the nfl teams to steam roll it but it’d be fun nevertheless.
The trouble is, the NFL doesn’t have the appeal to really have a division over here in Europe. It’s fanbase is in the minority in Europe. Sure, they may sell out Wembley when they have games over here but they are off off events. American football isn’t a global sport in comparison to soccer. If a European division was set up it probably won’t last long.
Great video! As a Brit who has gradually got more into the NFL over the last 4 years I would love to see an NFL Europe team. Instead of picking a team at random to support we can support a home team.
The world is a lot more globalised than years past. NFL highlights on RUclips for instance really do engage the fans! Over here as the "afternoon" kicks off don't finish until gone 12:30 on a Monday morning and prime time games just do not exist.
The two things I think the NFL can learn from Europe sports are
1. Local rivals, when Man u and Man city or Arsenal Tottenham play it takes over the city. The teams hate each other! If there were to be a shake up of divisions let's put the jets and giants together, rams, chargers together. Get them to play twice a year and let the city rivalry blossom. Not just historical rivalry as we have those as well (Man U, Liverpool. Or Arsenal Man u for example) but location rivalry regardless of how well the teams are playing is always a big game!
2. in the last week's of the season the bottom of the league is almost more entertaining than the top. With the risk of getting relegated to a lower division teams will do anything to stay up. Not sure how the NFL could achieve this with set divisions. Unless you just split the 34 teams in 2. Get rid of divisions and just play people in your league (1 or 2). And then you have the top 8 teams from league 1 fighting for a playoff bracket, top 3 teams from league 2 fighting for a promotion place and everyone else at the bottom end of league 1 fighting to not to get relegated. The draft order would have to be worked on, but that would be interesting. It means that every game matters, and at the end of the season there are very little dead rubbers
love to see a brit that’s an nfl fan 🙌🏽. But as an american I don’t think the second point is the best of recommendations, as the teams are playing for the top picks in the draft. I like the first point tho and I’ve always wanted them to do that
1. Actually that’s probably the push to have a NFL division in Europe. They’re filled with the biggest rivalries and are heavily geographically based. If London proves to be successful to football I can see them having 2 different NFL teams in London. Based on rivalries I could see their being another team in Manchester and those 2-3 teams being in the same division.
2. No clue how it works. In the NBA/MLB/NHL they have a dart lottery for the top pick so that teams wouldn’t intentionally try to lose to get it. It doesn’t hurt rivalries (except ego). I know some bears fans who wouldn’t mind being 2-15 as long as the 2 wins were against the packers.
As an American that loves your version of football, picking your side is a lovely rite of passage that you shouldn't deny yourself. It's a fun process. You get established fans vying for your support, you get to learn about all the teams, and even a bit of geography. You also find yourself tied to the place. For example, I chose Portsmouth FC (when they were still fan-owned) and now I'm quite enamored with England's south coast. I would HATE to see a couple of American premier league clubs. They would just be in NY and LA anyway - two of America's worst cities 🤮. I LOVE that I got to choose Pompey through a long process instead of being born into a team like I was with other sports teams here.
In the states there used to be this type of rivalry, at least in the bay. The San Francisco 49ers and (then) Oakland raiders used to have games. But the games were wayyy to violent. Eventually we just stopped having regular seasonal games together after there were shootings at these games
They should not have a team in the National key word Football League. Start your own EFL
The ELF is really promising. I'm a Rhein Fire fan, the games are amazing. The level is nowhere near the NFL, but it is growing rapidly
As a european, I dont think this will be happening in the near future. They will slowly build up audiences in europe with these one off games, set up partnerships with bars, betting places, build out some basic permanent infrastructure as ways to introduce people to the sport, support some youth leagues, a LOT of adverisementa, and THEN, in i’d say 10-15 years, a european division. Even then I think it’ll be very german dominated, which does make me sad as an eastern european, but germans love their NFL snd ELF more than anyone else.
I say add 8 teams, one division purely comprised of European teams, and one division with 2 Mexican and 2 Canadian teams!
As a new NFL fan from Greece it would be awesome to be expanded in Europe. It would make NFL even more popular and accessible to us, Europeans. Can't wait to see this becoming real!
Athens Spartans?
@@BaconHairFish bro imagine west coast teams travelling to Athens to play 💀
@@BaconHairFishthat would be the most badass football team
@@BaconHairFish Sick team name btw!
Im not the only greek fan yeee
What an awesome and interesting video. Is am from Cologne(Germany), the city of the football (soccer) club you took the clips from and I would love to have a division here in Europe and I think it will actually work out this time. Just by looking at all the London games and now this year the Munich game took it on a complete different level, they sold out 72.000 tickets in a couple of seconds, over 1.5 million people wanted to buy a ticket. The hype about football is big here, but just like Rodger Godell said, the biggest problem is making competitive teams. If you look at the ELF it’s not competitive at all, but I think the NFL will figure something out and I’ll hope I can go to an away game to the US in couple of years with my European team. Btw I hope it will be my hometown team the Cologne centurions :)
that was SOOO promising to see the passion in Germany. Wish i went to that game as well. Already planning a trip for next season! I appreciate the long form response here
how prevalent is the GFL and ELF in Germany? Do you think ELF teams would join the NFL?
@@Max-Films to be honest the GFL isn’t relevant and competitive at all and I don’t know much about that Leguage! The ELF is more promising but still no comparison either the NFL. The ELF starts to bring more and more fans to the local teams, the Leguage home game average is still at 4.000 but growing. But both Leguages are no match to the NFL. Europe needs some big Investors behind a team and bring some American stars oversees and build a team around them. All of them could join, but it will only be the name and the logo that joins, the team, the staff, the facility has to change!
Koln centurians
Can't wait to see four people show up to the London vs Jaguars game
Imagine you wake up one day and find out you got traded to Croatia
💀
They need to change the way transfers work in the nfl then.
That would actually be a compliment as Croatia is one of the greatest sporting nations in the world & one of the most beautiful ones
better than being in america
Terrible idea. Mexico/Canada expansion makes sense, but I’d think there would have to be a whole other conference of at least 8 teams in Europe to make it work well. NFC, AFC, EFC.
The editing on this video is so good! You had so much information and detail, it almost felt like a documentary.
Nice vid! Very keen UK Bengals fan here. 4 well placed and marketed teams would do very well in Europe. It would involve a lot of challenges for every corner of the NFL overall as a business, but it is the next logical step. It’s a matter of when, not if.
In terms of the culture, it will build around it with its own local traditions like different parts of the US does. The game in Munich looked absolutely amazing, and if London had a franchise with everyone backing it, it would find is character & soul very quickly.
The whole issue to me is the timing and travel. It's going to be fully unfair for the teams who need to play 11 games with a 6+ hour time difference. Along with that, broadcasting SNF or MNF or even the 4pm games for European teams are going to be middle of the night. It's not really possible for anyone.
formula 1 tackles these logistics problems really well, I wouldn’t be surprised if the NFL discusses with them how to figure it all out
You are looking at this backwards. Europe has twice the population of America. That's free money. You make it work
@@therealallpro yeah but Football is also twice if not triple times more popular in the US.
I think that's why he wants a division, that way you can gain TV rights money in new territories (Or rather more lucrative deals) with a local division playing at appropriate times for local audiences. (Given the direction of the time difference the European games would be during waking hours for American audiences) Then you can have interest from the new audiences in the playoffs even if you don't adjust the times for US only games for them.
@@tobyjohnson9136 I agree that's the best approach, but what happens when the London Wooden teeth play the 49ers in SF? That's what I think is the biggest difficulty. 8 hour time difference is gonna cause a headache for that. They're gonna need to add a permanent morning slot to make sure that games aren't all night time or midnight in the UK
Having NFL teams in Europe will be like two Philadelphia teams playing each other just drunks cursing at each other and fighting, we need a fam fight cam.
Your video was incredible man!!!
I highly doubt we see full time NFL teams in Europe any time soon. More games maybe, full time franchises I don’t think so. Who is going to want to sign with London and pay the taxes and basically get doubly screwed or Germany and deal with their high cots of living. I doubt very much many players are going to want to go full time in Europe.
Yes, let's have 4 expansion teams when there's not enough good coaches and quarterbacks to go around for 32 teams. Great idea!
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Instead of just AFC and NFC, have the playoffs also comprise of an NFL European Conference and the #1 or top 2 from the CFL. Schedule it so that the European teams play mostly each other during the regular season for logistical reasons (which would hopefully develop stronger local rivalries and feed off existing European rivalries), and the CFL keeps its autonomy with the distinct Canadian rules, playoffs and schedule.
the only problem is that nobody is going to want to be traded from an American team to a European team. it's already bad enough if they get traded from the 49ers to the Patriots or something.
it would be cool if they made a whole European league and they can't trade players to America then each "league" had a superbowl and the winner of each superbowl goes to the super duper bowl where it's the best team from America and the best team from Europe.
even though America would destroy them 💀
yeah definetly not. it would need to be like basketball where the international leagues are closely related to the NFL and sometimes play exhibition games in the preseason
Ask the average European NFL fan and they’ll tell you they don’t want a European team, we go the London games to see the US teams we have supported for years !! A new European expansion team holds no appeal to us !!
I think an underrated issue is that any franchise located in the European Union would have to comply to EU laws and regulations. You would need a specialized lawyer to really dig into this but I think lot of the practices of the NFL are pretty illegal in the EU. And labour law and regulations are completely different in any European country in comparison with the US. And make no mistakes, the EU will go after them hard if they think the NFL is not compliant.
I would think the season gets extended if this happens to 19 weeks but 2 bye weeks hopefully. This could help with the Thursday night problem and long travel games for Europe matches. Help not solve but it would be interesting
I think you should have mentioned the current european football league located primarily in germany and surrounding countries (the european league of football, not to be confused with the other europe leagues you mentioned).
I agree, this would have made for a nice chapter
The European division wouldn’t be able to acquire any free agents. Making players move to Europe is not attractive to FA. The teams would be really bad.
Definitely improved video quality in terms of editing and the info delivered!
we put a ton of work into this one!
@@FrankMichaelSmith you can tell just off the intro
I love watching the game but I think part of the success of the London series is because it's a chance for UK fans to experience it live and for ex-pat US fans to watch their team abroad. The passion is there and UK fans love the game but it works right now as it is. This feels like a cash grab. (However I do love the idea floated below of the London Red Coats!)
london to NY is about as far as CA to NY. u dont see people asking if cali boys dont want to go to NY
Seate london about 10 hours
What your video is missing is an understanding of European sports culture. In USA we view sports as like a Vegas show, legally it is this way too. NFL and American pro sports is entirely top down. European sports culture is club based, it is completely grassroots. Think of these clubs as our country clubs but not for the elite, pretty much every village and community has one (or more). NFL is so far removed from it's fans, unlike in europe. NFL has room to grow as a spectical, but the sport generally does not. This is because of the price of entry and tradition. You can't replicate the passion club soccer in the NFL because ticket prices are extremely high, rich people don't bring atmosphere. Most Americans frame of reference to European soccer is the Premier League of England. But funny enough, the premier league often has worse atmosphere than the NFL. This is due to classism, history (Hillsborough), and... ticket prices. England's top league is the most American in my opinion. Stadium atmosphere in Germany, Italy, Serbia, Turkey is far far superior to that of England... and the United States. This is because the sport is grassroots and prices are lower, i.e. more accessible, to working class people and the clubs represent a very niche part of their community.
European sports are based around clubs, which are wholly independent of eachother and not owned by the league. American pro sports are Franchises, like McDonald's, they are operated by their owner, but in reality owned by the league. This is why the NFL is so insanely profitable.
A few years ago a few of the elite soccer teams tried to form a "Super League" i.e. the NFLization of European club soccer. In which these few select teams tried to create their own league, without promotion-relegation and keeping 100% of the profits. There were literal riots in the streets.
I don't think more than one NFL franchise, if that even, could make it in Europe long term. Right now only the upper middle and upper classes attend NFL games in Europe, prices are high, and these people can afford the tickets and a weekend in London (really really expensive (normally, the Pound is at a low right now)). When teams play in London you have the whole world attend, not really local people. My friends in Germany go to the games in London, they can afford it. The people live adjacent to Tottenham Stadium? Not so much.
Europeans are passionate about soccer because "its soccer" or just because "they're European", it's deeper than that. The degree of separation from the clubs and the communities is tiny compared to NFL's billionaire owners and the cities they relocate their franchises around a massive country
And those fail in comparison of college football in the states. And those games become super emotional.
@@henryjw15 exactly it's a level more grounded to its local community
If they go international, I pray that it isn’t in Europe because the logistics behind that, would be a nightmare. Home and away games would be a nightmare for both teams when you account jet lag
I’m surprised they would do this before going to Canada. I’m more surprised that they don’t expand in the states first. There are plenty of cities here who still want a team and enough of them would make enough money for an expansion team to be worth the venture. Kind of sad in a way, as someone without a team in my city I feel slighted.
Canada would never work because of the CFL.
Logistically and from a tax standpoint, with the Jock tax and Europe’s high tax rate, not to mention value if the dollar compared to the pound will make this unlikely.
Its really easy to sell out one game a year...to have an entire franchise...and an entire 4 teams? When londons the only really tested market?
Met the man behind the curtain today at my job as a bartender and i gotta say he's just as nice as you would think he'd be in person. Proud he's from the burgh.
There is an obsession with expansion in Europe, but what is the only country in the world with a decent league outside the USA with stadiums and fans? The answer is very easy Canada (the CFL), which is also a USA neighbor. I don't really understand but for me the most logical thing is a North American summer league between Canada (CFL) and a USA merger of (XFL and USFL) . Europe could have their own league and for NFL more than 32 teams are so much teams . if the NHL could do it, why is it so difficult ?
As a NFL fan from the UK I don’t think it would work having a team here as we fans have already chosen established teams (mine are the Jets) so I don’t think they would get a hardcore following and would seem abit gimmicky in my opinion
May I ask, why the Jets?
@@yourdreams2440 I like an underdog and want to pick a team that was winning when I first started watching also I like New York as city
@@kierandudson44 Could have went with the G-men too? 😃
@@kierandudson44when you started watching?
I don't know if it is a good idea. they're getting fans to go to games, but how much of it is just due to the novelty?
Not much amymore
The betting culture aspect you showed wasn't accurate. Those physical betting stores are only really used by those betting on horse races, some betting shops are the only places to watch some events. Typically fans bet via mobile apps and there's a dozens of betting companies that only operate via app.
My idea is to bring back some of the NFLE Teams , that did really well, for instance, The England Monarchs, Frankfurt Galaxy, Rhein Fire, Hamburg Sea Devils, Berlin Thunder, and the Cologne Centurions , to make up the NFL Europe Division, to make a 40 Team NFL. The NFL needs to play World wide Football and what better way, than to have NFL Teams playing in the European area. The Football Fans would go to the NFL Football Games, if it was Their Own Team.
Travel wouldn't be a problem if the NFL decides to schedule the teams bye week after their European games.
The biggest Issue I see, is the time, a full NFL game can take 3 hours, which is in stark contrast to a Soccer game that takes half that time. The NFL would need a way to make the games shorter
Too many teams already. Nothing but Goodell's greed.
NFL team in europe is not a good idea and i'm from europe. I see it as an american game . I don't think i would change my fandom and cheer for London team instead of Vikings.
I don't really support a European team. I mean, I am German, but the ELF we have since 2021 is way more competitive then European teams would be against the American ones
hey man I love the video. I think they should put a team in Paris, Germany(idk what city), Madrid, and London. I think a team representing each country would work well and bring in fans from the area and increase interest in the sport.
THEY SHOULD NAME THE SPANISH TEAM THE SPANISH INQUISITION OMGG
Barcelona Dragons 🐉
Great video Frank. I'm a Patriots fan and a "season" ticket holder for the international series games in London and have gone to almost every game since 2011. What I think makes the London games a success is it is a destination event, fans travel at great expense from all over the UK and Europe to attend the games. Would that business model work with 8 or 9 home games? I'm not sure, I certainly don't think they could sell out Wembley with 85k seats that many times a year, but that's why the NFL partnered with Tottenham Hotspur and the 60k capacity there is much more realistic (and has the advantage of being designed with NFL in mind such as dedicated locker rooms and better sightlines). Would I stop supporting the Patriots to follow a London team? That question I really don't know yet.
That's always been my doubt... I'm a Giants fan. Went to a few Wembley and it is a great way for fans to get their NFL fix but every team is represented in the stands. English fans are known for their loyalty, just look at the Championship attendance figures. But I would never give up supporting the Giants just because a Lomdon team has popped up and I imagine most of the UK based fans are the same.
Players would absolutely hate that. Flying that far with the time changes and the tight schedule is awful. Especially having to fly that far that often. The nfl already has an issue with travel. This would make it 100x worse
I think they also need to add scholarships for Universities here. To attract student athletes for drafting in Europe.
Fr Fr they do need it also and make college Football big in England
Interesting video. I don’t think a franchise will work in the UK.. at the moment the NFL games are a novelty, so you’ll get a lot of tourists etc would you be expecting to see 90k every home game? Also competing for eyes/fans with the EPL on game days might be a reality check/shock.
I play in a fantasy league and watch the NFL on tv but haven’t bothered to go to a game, here in London because if I want to get the “real” experience , I’d make an effort to go to the USA. The current experience is “USA lite” which is ok..
I think if the NFL should put ONE team on the UK, to avoid that issue. An an american the sport is a lot more fun when you have a local team to root for, so I think that won’t be an issue.
Um, Canada makes way more sense for an expansion and already have a basis with the CFL.
Different rules
I think it’d make more sense to have an international division. Perhaps teams in Vancouver, Toronto and Montreal, one in Mexico City, one in London and one in Germany. Would make more sense and less travel.
Honestly, it’d be better if Europe just had their own league. An NFL team isn’t gonna sell 60k tickets every Sunday in London. Europe probably could sustain their own league in smaller arenas.
Edit: it’d make more sense expanding to other American cities like Portland, Boisie, Alabama, places where people actually love football and would die hard support a team.
Well….. there is the European league of Football. Which top league in Europe.
Honestly I think the NFL should do what hockey does when they add a new team and thats give the Probably 10 firsts 15 2nds, 20 3rds and then proceed on the draft as normal what they should also do is add competent Gm's, coaches, and slowly integrate more highly skilled europeans on the team that way it still is more of a home-grown euro team while still being competitive
NFL teams in Europe would be cool. The logistics, player satisfaction, and competitiveness would be the biggest problems however.
The logistics would be difficult but if the nfl is able to get a another agreement with Tottenham Hotspur’s then they will have a stadium (the Tottenham Hotspur’s stadium is a dual purpose stadium for football(soccer) and the NFL which has a retractable soccer pitch to reveal a NFL field. It would then probably mean the teams in America would have to fund all the costs for going to England all though the nfl could continue to fund the trip. While the logistics of getting teams to England would be difficult I think the logistics of the England team going to America would be harder since they would most likely play all 8 games in a row. So the England team would need to set up a home base in America for training and other purposes the easiest way to have this would be if a NFL team is willing to share their facilities but the next easiest way to use the facilities of a college team and the hardest/most expensive way is if the England built their own facilities in America and after the team have a home base in America the logistics would be similar of any other team playing a away game It’s would be difficult but it certainly isn’t impossible although the players would probably be the best payed players in the league since most of them would likely be American. But problems can be ironed out so a franchise in England would certainly be possible england is the most likely country in Europe to get a franchise first and then other European countries would come after if it even is on the table since I am only aware of the NFL wanting a franchise in England at the moment and I haven’t heard of the nfl wanting a franchise in other European countries like Germany for example although Germany is the most likely place for a second European team
The NFL talked about launching a sister league called the European Football League (EFL) back in 1974.
We have the European League of Football (ELF) We dont need that.
Maybe people laugh at ass, but European sports fans generally think American Football is pretty cool
Not anytime soon
Starting a new team in London would initially create a spark and some fan support ( remember NFLs fans in London have their favourite teams already and wouldn’t automatically switch to the local team just like that ) to sustain interest they would have to compete and win difficult for an expansion team that is 3000 miles away from the rest of the league
London has about 20 stadiums that can seat 20000 plus with 5 that can hold over 60000 you start losing and the interest wanes they will end playing in the smallest of these
You need also local boys to be part of it , yeah there might be a few Rugby players who could change code but transition is hard if you don’t have local interest then it’s just a team of American players playing an american sport again if you are winning maybe okay but getting pancaked every week it not going to work
It’s been tried before in other sports Super Rugby in the southern hemisphere had teams on 3 continents and it never worked that well , teams went on tour to play their away games in batches to limit the travel burden so you had weeks on end where your team was on the road attendance in the games drifted away
Frank, I watch a lot of your short form content and have for some time but let me just say this is next level stuff. Amazing man!
As a Canadian, I can speak for the country saying not a whole lotta people enjoy or watch the CFL. We eat up the NFL market way more than CFL because it’s obviously the most prominent league. I feel like a Canadian expansion is more ideal, logistically way easier and Canadians would go absolutely nuts to have a couple local teams.
I think they should put a team in Montréal, big market and it’s not near another NFL team.
So will the European universities start playing American football so we have more players in the draft? Let's b honest there's not enough talent to populate the current nfl, imo!
There is lots of undrafted players like ekler or Pacheco would have been top picks meaning more money for them
@jeo8998 yeah lots of quality NFL caliber starting players. That's why they're sitting at home and not on a team. I'll Grant u there's some players out there worth grabbing but not 22 starters for 4 teams.
If the NFL expands before Seattle gets a basketball team again i’d be shocked
I play American football in Europe (yes it exists) and there’s many teams that have been here for many years, the community is there and I’m sure that starting in Europe won’t be hard
This reminds me of a Johnny Harris vid, keep it up bro!
Johnny is a huge inspiration. I take that as a serious compliment
football will become huge in the US much before American football gets big in Europe. and that's a fact. even more so with 2026 in 3 years
Why expand into Europe? It already takes so much time and effort and money to just travel across the US. Why not just merge the CFL with NFL, and maybe add a Mexican division. I doubt a European team would wanna travel like 30000 km in a month.
It's not any longer to travel NY to Munich than NY to LA. West coast teams could play a road game on the east coast before playing in Europe.
Him: soccer 25x more popular
Also him: NFL is the most popular sports league in the world
The first ever original American Football in Europe, was founded in 1978, the Frankfurt Löwen (Lions), the Düsseldorf Panther followed few weeks later. On their first matchup there was about 3000 spectators, without really commercials and the most spectators have no idea of "American Football" at this time. So both Teams found the Football "Bundesliga" who became later the German Football League. The Original six teams are the Frankfurt Löwen (Lions), the Düsseldorf Panther, Ansbach Grizzlies, Bremerhaven Seahawks, Berlin Bears (Who became Berlin Adler(Eagles) later and also the Munich Cowboys. The Frankfurt Lions disappeared in 1984 without any further information, so the Düsseldorf Panthers are the oldest Football Team in Europe. With the Munich Cowboys the Panthers plays in the GFL, all other teams plays in lower divisions. The german Football Organisation AFVD is the Main Organisation (like USA Football) and also organize the GFL, GFL Bowl, and the national team and also some events like GFL Bowl, and more. Then there was the NFL with the WLAF/NFL Europe between 1991 and 2007 and in 2022 the European League of Football (ELF) starting their first ever season. The ELF get a licence from the NFL to use the Names of former NFL Europe Teams so in 2021 the Frankfurt Galaxy, Cologne Centurions, Hamburg Sea Devils, Berlin Thunder, Barcelona Dragons uses the old names, only the "Leipzig Kings" and the Wroclaw Panthers was new branded Teams. In 2022 the Rhein Fire was back on Field, also the Stuttgart Surge joins, also to teams from Austria, the Tyrol Raiders and the Vienna Vikings join the League. Also Teams like the Munich Ravens, Fehervar ENthroners, Prague Lions, Milano Seaman, Paris Musketeers, Madrid Bravos came in to this League. Right before the 2022 Championship Game the League also welcomes the Nordic Storm from Kopenhagen/Malmö. This league is growing and also shown on different European TV Channels, and so some Teams get bigger stadiums then the local Teams who plays in there Local Organisations. The local organisations are same like in other european Sports. The Players plays for fun, there are no professionals, go to university to study, or going to work from 9 to 5 like everybody. The ELF try to use a franchise System to create more powerfull teams. That also results that 2 Teams are allready leave to league and are shutdown: the Istanbul Rams and the Leipzig Kings are History now. Some teams get trouble to find a stadium to play regular. Like the Hamburg Sea Devils who played in 2024 only 1 Game in Hamburg. There searching a Stadium who fills their requirements. Same Situation is now happend in Berlin who the Homestadium of the Berlin Thunder get rebuild, so the thunder are in a need for a new homebase for the next years. For Fans the League became more powerfull the the local leagues, and the ELF is live on TV, (Example: GFL is only online via Streaming). But also there is a big difference in the League between the powerfull teams (Rhein Fire, Stuttgart Surge, Vienna Vikings, Prague Musketeers ) and the Teams on the lower levels: Prague Lions, Fehervar Enthroners, Milano Seaman, Barcelona Dragons: The Teams playing in Front of maybe 500 - 1500 Spectators, the Rhein Fire plays in a bigger Stadium in Duisburg (A soccer Stadium for 31000 Spectators) so the Fire get more Money from the Fans, who also was a part at the former NFL Europe) so the got 10000+ Customers on the most games . Only 1 Game was about 8500 Spectators, as the bis stadium get a new roof so the Fire was moving to a smaller stadium. The Frankfurt Galaxy, who became the first ever Champion of ELF got ther all time high spectators against the RheinFire as the played the game outside Frankfurt in a bigger arena in the neighbour City. Also the most teams are Trying to go to bigger stadiums: Munich -> Nürnberg, Stuttgart -> Hoffenheim. Frankfurt -> Offenbach, Hamburg -> Bremen/Hannover. So Football is also growing in Europe. Most Players are non professionells, only Import Players (From US, other European countries (French Players in Austria, Germans in Spain) or outside Europe/from Asia, Mexico, etc) will get an Appartement, maybe a car, some money( for their time with the teams)
Wonderful, most people can't pay for gas to get to work, the store, or day care, or even dream of affording to take a family to a football game. but now the NFL id going to fly their million dollar athletes to Europe thus again raising the ticket prices, cable tv subscriptions, and NFL trinkets and junk even higher. Go ahead guys =, price yourselves out of the American market and learn to speak Arabic and build closed stadiums in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Qatar.
As a Dutch NFL fan, I don't believe an European division will be successful. Right now people travel all over Europe to attend the European games, but will they when instead of 4 there are 34 games in Europe? I don't think so, the sport is not big enough yet to have a successful franchise IMO
Travel, taxes, and differing federal laws would really complicate things
Time zones as well
The fact that NFL Europe was basically the G league of football didnt help either
Great Video! Would love to see a NFL European Division!
I’m all for experimenting. Has the potential to be really fun
@Why?????? Lol not really unfair because any team could make up their own language which is what they do with the code name playcalls.
@Why?????? not really, what’s gonna happen is a team won’t be “only german” they will be americans who play american football living in germany.
@Why?????? others teams aren’t supposed to know the plays, also, watch film and learn formations like grown men that play football do?
@Why?????? I think that only being able to pick German players would be a disadvantage
The biggest thing they will have to overcome is jet lag and low energy levels for the teams in Europe. I think that’s a significant concern, and also the teams that will need to travel there. You are going to either need to extend the season or spread out the jet lag among teams as evenly as possible
or you make it that the europe teams first play all their away games, than their home games and if a team plays a europe team twice they just stay here for a week
Here are my thoughts...
8 new teams,
NFC/AFC Travel league
NFC
London, France, Germany, and Spain
AFC
Montreal, Toronto, Mexico, and Hawaii
It would be so cool if we could make a deal with the Canadian Football League to give them some American teams and give the NFL some Canadian teams. The NBA, MLB and, obviously, NHL all have at least one Canadian team and it would be mutually beneficial for both markets and organizations.
If they were to add 4 teams I’d rather them add Toronto, Birmingham, Omaha/St Louis, and maybe London.
Also relocate Chargers to somewhere
send the Chargers back to San Diego, they have no fans in LA and rent the stadium from the Rams
London redcoats, frankfurt galaxy, Barcelona conquistadors, dublin clover leaves
Montreal, Toronto, Mexico City, San Antonio makes more sense
If they expand I think it will be:
London, Berlin, Dublin, Paris, Rome, Toronto, Mexico City, and Austin.
NFC:
West: LAR, SF, AZ, SEA, Austin
North: MN, GB, DET, CHI, Toronto
Mountain: LAC, LV, KC, DEN, Mexico City
South: TB, NO, ATL, CAR, TEN
AFC:
Central: BAL, CIN, CLE, PIT, IND
East: DAL, NYG, PHI, WAS, JAX
Colonial: MIA, BUF, NE, NYJ, HOU
Europa: London, Berlin, Rome, Dublin, Paris
There could be a lot of improvements, this is just an idea.
Good start, but switch Mountain NFC to AFC (AFC heritage teams) with East AFC to NFC (NFC heritage teams), and put a team in Vancouver in the NFC west instead of Austin, Also switch JAX and HOU, so JAX and MIA are in the same division, and DAL and HOU are in the same division.
NFC:
West: LAR, SF, AZ, SEA, Vancouver
North: MN, GB, DET, CHI, Toronto
East: DAL, NYG, PHI, WAS, HOU
South: TB, NO, ATL, CAR, TEN
AFC:
Central: BAL, CIN, CLE, PIT, IND
Mountain: LAC, LV, KC, DEN, Mexico City
Colonial: MIA, BUF, NE, NYJ, JAX
Europa: London, Berlin, Rome, Dublin, Paris
Can we please get the Raiders to the NFC PLEASE 🙏 with the record we consistently have we can make playoffs every year
Me again! The sections that didn’t return to their seats at the start of the 2nd half are the rich seats. They get a three course dinner and drinks so don’t really care about the game. No proper fan sits in those seats, they’re kept for sponsors, guests and out of touch rich people.
I don't know if there is a more inefficient way of saying anything you just said lmao
Shout out to the guy with the Kapernick 🙌
We had a rugby team over here who had to fly across the Atlantic for half their games or thereabouts, I and folded due to logistical and lack of money issues. I know players who said going to Toronto for a home game for the Wolfpack was a major, major disadvantage given they were in the uK one week, then Canada then back to the UK. In 2020, the club went under due to lack of money and logistical issues.
That's a cautionary tale for any NFL team wanting to set up shop in London or anywhere in the UK. One or two games a year? No problem. Now imagine having to fly across the Atlantic, then adjust to a 5 to 8 hour time difference, then play, then fly back home to London. Logistically, it's too complicated. The NFL should just bring back NFL Europe and do that instead
The only reason Europe sells out is because theres a NFL game there only 4 times a year if that. I doubt Europe is gonna sell out 17 weeks for the next decade
This is also gonna cause issues with soccer teams in the areas of Europe
Travel is gonna be outrageous
Taxes will be dubbed as NFL players would have to pay European taxes for even PLAYING. A game there (they pay taxes per state they play each game in).
I think its jaded due to the fact that Europe doesn’t have its own teams so the numbers are spiking. What should happen is the NFL start their own league in Europe. And what would be cool is the winner of Europe’s super bowl plays winner of American super bowl.
But to add teams from across the pond to play on the regular is foolish and roger G would regret that decision
Yo do your Calculations no team doesn't even play 17 Home games instead they play 8 to 9 Home Games and Stuff is different
@@afbismedia2221 im talkin about if Europe has multiple teams not just for the UK. But that further proves why it wont work. Good point 💪🏽
my main concern would be the conference alignment. firstly, the conferences would completely fail because of them being called 'national' and 'american', of which the european franchises couldnt fit into. to change either of those would be erasing the AFL & super bowl culture.
also, whichever conference is assigned the european teams would have 5 divisions, completely breaking the WC and playoff pictures. it would be unfair to the other teams of the conference if they had a 1/20 chance to make the playoffs while the other conference has a 1/16 chance. if an equal setting could be applied, a team would need to be added for each DIVISION (or make 2 whole divisions, both making the same amount of teams). MAYBE they could bring back the central divisions, but we would have to do some serious division realignment and end so many iconic rivalries.
Europe before Canada would criminal...
It’s such a good idea, European fans would be a refreshing change to the NFL, and I think fan culture in Europe would actually improve US culture.
What? 😂😂😂😂😂
@@mannidennis1031 *us fan culture
Give the teams proxy locations to play for a certain number of weeks a year (preferably close to some nice expensive hotels) , and make the remaining games in the European team's cities. I guarantee you if this is marketed correctly a NFC Europe and AFC Europe would bring something special to the gridiron. This way, with proxy (host city) locations for a few weeks at least , I think that'd be a good transition. Reduce transit costs, and also keeps the players in a way where they can find consistency in routine.
Hell, make one of the cities San Diego. I'm sure the future London Royals AND the abandoned mission town will thank the league.
I think a lot of players from Rugby Backgrounds could make the Move to NFL if they make a division
It would be difficult. At the highest level the skills and physical demands are quite different.
Yeah not many players transition, I think Hamish Watson was the only exception and he was a kicker.
The best way to do this would be to add 8 teams in total, 1 extra team per division.
The current 17 game schedule is
6 games (home + away) against same division rivals, 4 games from an AFC division, and 4 games from an NFC division. That's 14 games, with 3 random ones thrown in. Just convert 2 of those 3 games into another home+away couplet from a new Division rival.
This is just me laying out a fantasy scenario ignoring actual logistics, but I'd like to place a team into
Toronto, Canada
London, England
Frankfurt, Germany
Mexico City, Mexico
Tokyo/Osaka, Japan
And then there's 3 that could go in the Midwest and Hawaii
This would be the greatest thing to ever happen in tbe history of NFL
Should become 40 team league. European Division with London, Paris, Germany, and Dublin. Then a division for Canada plus Mexico City. The cities being Toronto, Vancouver, and either Calgary or Montreal.
I’ve been a season ticket holder for the London games since 2013. I’m ready 🎉
American football teams are have in each country like Germany, Spain , Italy, Canada, UK, China, Mexico, South Korea, Australia, Netherlands, Iceland and the Philippines (just the newest American football teams)
The first NFL game I saw live was in London. It was packed. And not only with Americans...
At these European games how much are tickets selling for? How much merchandise are they selling? How much advertising $$$ are they bringing in? How are concessions sales? Is this actually a profitable venture?
Its seeens so