You're entitled to feel that way as a fan and your argument is well reasoned and based on results. However context matters, and in a QB driven league, what realistic opportunities has he had? The draft system does not reward winning. Make a similar video about Greg Popovich, whom we all know is a great coach, but had to lose to get Wembanyama. If you bring up Shanahan as a successful Comp, a man on the brink of bottling one of the most talented rosters I've ever seen, then forgive me for saying there's something wrong with this picture.
I’m from Pittsburgh so I alway try to support your sh*t but the grass isn’t always greener man. Tomlin is by no means perfect or some wiz kid drawing up x/o in his bedroom but 95% of NFL fans would kill for coach Tomlin and consistency.
The fact of the matter is that Tomlin should have been fired after the Jacksonville loss. Not making the Super Bowl with that team because you couldn’t get your players focused was an absolute joke. He is unwilling to adapt and thinks we are still in the 2009 NFL. One of the most mediocre coaches ever escaping being fired due to high end talent
You’re right. Not winning a SB with that team should’ve been a durable offense. I couldn’t believe that Jacksonville game. I knew right then that he was a coach that can’t get it done on the big stage.
@@ausonia2149 that card is overplayed and has nothing to do with why he is a terrible coach. They can replace him with ANYONE who is qualified. Nice try though.
@@chinchintabete Exactly. Most people aren't ready for that conversation yet, or a discussion about who is responsible for making it taboo to talk about in the first place, or all the other things that particular tribe is responsible for.
Dude won a ring with Bill Cowher's guys and hes been the absolute definition of mediocrity since then. The only difference between Tomlin and Marvin Lewis was the super bowl caliber roster Tomlin inherited.
Steelers went from White Mike Tomlin to the ACTUAL Mike Tomlin. Cowher was just as bad, and his ring is about as legitimate as a ring pop I can buy from Walmart, seeing as Super Bowl 40 was incredibly fixed. Steelers fans don’t wanna hear that Tomlin and Cowher are one in the same.
Belicheck recently said on a podcast that he loved playing the Tomlin Steelers cause he knew what to expect. Nothing ever changed. And then he chuckled.
As much of a fan of Tomlin I am, and not of Bradshaw, I still think it's fucked up that Terry had to apologize for his opinion on Tomlin's coaching. We all know why he had to apologize.
A few of my favorite Tomlin stats: -Tomlin has been outscored 73-0 in the first quarter of his last 6 playoff games. -Tomlin had a HOF QB from 2011-2021 and managed to win 3 measly playoff games - against Matt Moore, Alex Smith, and AJ McCarron. -Since 2011 Jim Harbaugh has more playoff wins than Tomlin, and he coached in college for 9 years.
I had a hockey coach like him in highschool. He knew all the parents of the highly talented club team players that went to our school and got them to join the hockey varsity team. 0 disciplinary actions, gave them all the playing time over kids that wanted to be there, let those kids egos ruin any kind of culture the team could have had, and they always lost the games that mattered.
Having a winning record and getting destroyed in the 1st round of the playoffs year after year is worse than tanking a couple of seasons and actually rebuilding your team. We won't win another playoff game until tomlin is gone and definitely not a Super Bowl.
Let's not mentioned how many players brought in from Free Agency that played worse under him Joe Haden Larry Ogynjobi Myles Jack Patrick Queen Levi Wallace Patrick Peterson Donte Monkrief Eric Ebron Mitch Trubisky Keanu Neal Kwon Alexander Allen Robinson Van Jefferson Or the list of the guys who broke out after leaving Pittsburgh James Conner Nate Washington Kevin Dotson Emmanuel Sanders Mike Hilton Javon Hargrave Josh Dobbs Robert Spillane
Ugh - that's an ugly list! Doesn't develop players, so if they're lucky they go elsewhere. Awesome. Doesn't develop coaches, so they're pretty much done after leaving the Tomlin country club. No HC's and no OC or DC's. Mid players coached by mid coaches producing mid results. Yay. And the idea that the roster doesn't reflect his idea of how to play football is laughable. So he's always going to be the limiting factor unless another Ben shows up.
I was born and raised in WPA and am a lifelong Steelers fan, and the only thing this video gets wrong is in putting the bad drafts completely on Tomlin. Although I’m sure he has had a lot of input he’s never been the GM. The person ultimately responsible for that was Kevin Colbert until last season. But beyond that the piece is on the money. Tomlin hires mediocre to terrible assistants for the most part, and his player development history, frankly, is far below the line. He consistently says he refuses to “live in his fears” yet he consistently does that week in and week out. He may have been a good hire for a veteran team with its own established identity, but not for the current state of the franchise.
@@christopherharrison2987 Yeah just look at our drafts after Omar Khan came around. Last years rookies looked good, and so far, this years class looks good too. As a Tomlin believer though, these are extremely valid points, just a little overblown in the video.
As a Patriots fan, I even saw Bill belichick change his philosophy while also keeping some of his nuance and detail / attention to the game. Bill belichick was truly on point
@@shinski8114I think they're talking more about the later part of the 2000's and 2010's when Bill realized that the NFL was shifting more towards a passing league, and decided to make Tom Brady more of the star of the show instead of the running game and defense.
If Tomlin was on any other team, he’d have been fired by now, or at least on a blazing hot seat. But because of the Steelers strong defensive culture and their head coach culture, he’s got one of the safest jobs in the league. Steelers fans don’t want to hear it, but going 8-8, 9-7, and 9-8 every season, is praised mediocrity.
You beat Tomlin by not giving a shit who he is. Shanahan and Sirianis coaching trees are a combined 9-0 and the closest games were concussion Tua and Zach Wilson. Tomlin also has a worse record against non division AFC teams than the Jets since 2021.
Shanahan can’t win a SB. As far asking coaching tree, DeMeco Ryans lucked out by walking into a team that had a lottery pick and drafted CJ Stroud. Robert Saleh just got fired. Mike McDaniel is a clown of a coach, who cannot win without Tua. FYI, Mike Tomlin has a 57% win rate without Ben Roethlisberger since 2007.
I’m 53 years old. Born and raised in Western Pa. (Steelers country) Excellent video. Couldn’t agree more. As you said, it gives me no pleasure in saying it, but facts are facts.
What is your point? Tomlin is not solely responsible for the draft. And TJ Watt and his own work ethic and just physicality is what makes him great it has absolutely nothing to do with Mike tomlin. If you put TJ Watt on the Chiefs he'd have 4 Super Bowl rings. Because they would not have lost the one.
@@Galilelo_Telescopeit honestly doesn't matter. Because Mike Tomlin is not solely responsible for who we draft. He's only a third of the say. Right now it's between Mike tomlin, Omar Khan and the rooneys. And a few other people whose opinions matter. But Mike Tomlin can't just draft whoever the hell he wants.
Absurd that this video ignored that when explicitly going through those picks. Unbelievably poor research (or much more likely, blatantly poisoning the well).
Stoolers fan here, I've been saying this about Tomlin since 2017. Everyone said I was nuts until last season when it flipped. These last three games solidified it for me, Tomlin can't get it done when it matters now.
@@cheekybumbum9738 Playing any 3 football games in 10 days is crazy awful scheduling, but even worse when it is Philly, Baltimore, and KC in 10 days. There is absolutely no way a middling team survives that gauntlet, regardless of one’s opinion on the team’s coach. Even great teams like the Bills or Lions would want no part of that from a scheduling perspective.
@ While you have a point, Steelers got blown out badly in each of those games, against teams that had the same type of schedule (Ravens, Chiefs). Bengals game was ROUGH too.
@@cheekybumbum9738 They had the same number of games but not the same quality of opponent all *edit 10 days, unless I’m mistaken. Don’t get me wrong, while I think the now 4 game skid has a rational explanation I’m still upset by what I had to watch.
It’s honestly crazy because as a Steelers fan, I’m trying to think of one thing Tomlin does well in game, and I can’t think of a single thing. He rode Cowher’s team to 3 Super Bowls. He rode Roethlisberger’s prime to consistent mediocrity. & now he’s riding TJ Watt’s insane ability to impact a game defensively, keeping games close for a consistent bottom 5 offense to win close games. That’s all it is to his career. He’s a great man, a big hype guy, great with the media and has a hell of a personality. He understands Steelers culture but it has really fallen off because he can’t implement it in the whole team. It’s unbelievable he still has an NFL job. Steelers should of fired him and went after Jim Harbaugh. He would of been a great fit in Pittsburgh, outside of the fact that his brother coaches in the division
@@Bigchet1223 the older i get, the more i realize that people who repeatedly say cliches, like it’s there identity, are con artists full of shit. They just understand human nature, and articulate it in a confident way that motivates people
@UserName-ts3sp is he even that with guys like women respecter Big Ben, beat my wife James Harrison, and now Cam Sutton. Like all these guys have received deals after their crimes. Hell worse off for Harrison and Sutton who had career worsts on the Bengals and Lions respectively and still brought back after their crimes. He also called raiding and vandalizing Lev bells locker "a team building excerise" in 2018. Dudes a sleez who let's cancer control the locker room.
I’ve always wondered why people were so high on Mike. I get his past achievements but I felt like he run his course with the team a few years ago. Sometimes you gotta take 1 step back to go 2 steps forward however the Stealers are walking on a treadmill, constantly walking but going nowhere and that’s the issue.
@HolymanChurch he won a super bowl with cowhers players. Once cowhers players were all gone the team stopped winning big games. Since the Steelers lost sb 45 they really haven't done much. Alot of mediocrity. Yes they make the playoffs sometimes. Nothing but post season failure since.
The national media doesn't watch Tomlin continue to make the same mistakes game after game, year after year. I want to like Tomlin, but he should've been fired years ago.
Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl two years after taking over a Super Bowl wing roster for Jimmy Johnson. It’s hard to find a football fan anywhere that would say Switzer won a ring without adding that it was with Jimmy Johnson’s team. But Tomlin won a ring two years after taking over a Super Bowl winning roster and it’s very, very bad to let anyone hear you say that Tomlin won a ring with Bill Cowher’s team. Very, very bad. Do not say that
Harsh, but true. I love Tomlin, been coach literally my whole life. But Pittsburgh is stuck in the past, and until that changes I think their limit is a Divisional Round exit at most. I think we as Steeler fans need to expect more and better. TJ Watt should not be a player with zero playoff wins
i love how you people are just so certain that the steelers are destined to lose lemme tell you something bud you cannot predict the future i know i know SHOCKER but i hate when people are just like ''yeah steelers will NEVER win anything until they fire tomlin'' like anything can happen maybe this is why the nfl feels so rigged cause constantly i see people shooting down any prospect of a lesser team beating a better team like its impossible and hasnt happened before
He's Jeff Fisher 2.0 - and I don't mean that as a compliment. Boring football. Safe uninspired mediocre coaching - praised for years of not terrible records but accomplishing nothing with HOF players - and he's really started buying into his own awesomeness. If the Standard was any respectable standard, he'd fire himself.
Another benchmark is Marty Schottenheimer. Boring, predictable grind out regular season wins and get smoked in the playoffs. Coach Cliche is only one playoff one and done behind him now for the all-time lead.
As someone who grew up in a Pittsburgh Steelers supporting household in the 2000s, I've always loved em, especially the late 2000s/early 2010s, mainly because of their defense. In recent years with so many of my favorite players coming and going from the steelers roster, along with me growing up and not being blind to the mediocrity that Tomlin causes, I now know that me nor my parents(well at least me and my dad) like Tomlin and never did. We liked the team of the Pittsburgh Steelers snd the joy they brought us every year. The Rooney's need to learn that Tomlin is the issue and always was. Whenever times got tough, if Tomlin let Big Ben call his own plays, it almost ALWAYS worked out. Like you said Frank. The championship in 08' wasn't Tomlin's team. It was Cowher's team. 2010 was also a good amount of Cowher's team too. But in 2010, it was also the test to see if Tomlin could use the weapons that he had that year, in which he failed. I've always been a die-hard Steelers fan, and I've said it before and I'm gonna say it again. Let. Tomlin. Go.
Something that almost never gets brought up that has always been one of the major points of criticism for every other coach is how their players behave on and off the field. Diontae Johnson doesnt try, AB only did what he wanted to, George Pickens doesnt care to block, on the field his players look like they couldnt care less and off the field their even worse. Everyone know about AB and his antics but are we gonna ignore Le'Veon Bell and his weed addiction Big Ben and his rape charges Anthony Chickillo assulting and choking his girlfriend only to be brought back less than a month later. All of these player were not only allowed to play for the steelers but make millions and millions of dollars. The steelers culture under Tomlin has allowed for criminals to do as the please simply because they can play ball. Matt Arizia was dropped after rape charges were brought against him Darren Waller was dropped by the ravens after he tested postive for weed, Cameron Sutton was released after domestic violence charges were brought against him. With a few frustrating exceptions (mostly qb related) every team releases players when they are charged with a crime. Not the Steelers though, that would jepordize Tomlin's winning record.
Mike Tomlin isn't a football coach, he's a manager, or like an Athletic Director of the team. Several NFL coaches are in this role. The more successful coaches are Game Day & Scheme Xs and Os Head Coaches & manage the team: Andy Reid, Bill Belichick. Deion, at the college level, is a great manager of the Colorado Buffaloes. He is a manager, recruiter, promoter, motiviator, leader, and can teach technique at the CB position, but not a Game Day Xs and Os coach. Jimmy Johnson, when he was an NFL Head Coach of the Cowboys, is an example of what Deion Sanders does at the college level. At the end of the day, despite what type of coach they are, it comes down to regular season wins and losses, post-season wins, and championships.
Man this NEEDED to be said!!! I feel like you looked inside my head and made an amazing video. Don’t sweat the haters…they’ll say that Steelers fans are just “ungrateful” and “don’t know how good they have it.” If the “standard” is 9-8 and a first round exit/not making the playoffs, as a Steelers fan I want no part of that. You hit it right on the nail with the clock management and the lack of coaching tree. Phenomenal video
bill belichick's patriots fell apart once brady left, but tomlin's steelers are still putting together decent seasons post-roethlisberger. that's not to say belichick isn't a great coach or that tomlin is better than him (he isn't), but being a super bowl contender just a few years after losing a hof qb seems like an unreasonable expectation for any coach. if the steelers are no better when the end of tomlins extension rolls around maybe there's a conversation to be had, but until then i think tomlin absolutely deserves his spot.
that is almost entirely because of TJ watt. JJ did the same thing on the texans when they were trash too. TJ CARRIES this team and it’s actually unreal. 1-11 without him. i love my steelers. and i love TJ and all the great players we have, but we HAVE to get the defense out of a base 3-4 look (cause it fucking sucks) and get the offense humming again. if that happens we could be contenders again one day soon. not playoff contenders, super bowl contenders
The Tampa bay buccaneers went from Brady to baker and won a playoff game that year now they look like Super Bowl contenders in bakers second year there and people hate Todd Bowles there’s no reason Mike Tomlin should be getting this amount of love for being mid year in and year out
@@dandruff3069by that logic, you’d rather be ok and not great than elite and bottom? that’s pure mediocrity, probably sums up a good amount of Steelers fans
@@dandruff3069 not if going below .500 results in actual player development (instead of trotting out the same mediocre veterans every week) and a decent draft position once in a while. Remember that the worst record of the last 25 years (6-10 in 2003) resulted in drafting Big Ben.
Him and John Harbaugh are long past their exploration dates. Steelers need to change while Harbaugh is holding the Ravens back through his poor game decisions at times.
@@BassKat169 The funniest part of this is I can hear people screaming that Harbaugh has Lamar Jackson so it’s an unfair comparison. Those people also tend to hate it when you say Cowher won a lot of playoff games without a great QB and Tomlin had Big Ben for 14 seasons
As a fellow Steelers fan we are lucky to have Tomlin. Without him we wouldn’t even be close to relevant we are spoiled to have a coach who even gets us to where we go. We should’ve rebuilt years ago but he keeps winning with subpar roster and some of the worst QB play in the league. He’s not just a good coach he is a great motivator and the players are behind him. He knows how to lead a team without Tomlin the Steelers look like fools. Also I’ve been a 5card draw regular for a while and it’s been great really good stuff with Solo Survivor as well!
He let Matt Canada stay around way too long. The first game he was gone and for the rest of the season the offense became much more productive despite not installing a new offense. That’s on Tomlin
You can’t say Tomlin has had a significant hand in building every team on that field for the last decade and a half/he keeps us relevant but then doesn’t harbor any of the lack of playoff success or underachievement for the last decade. You can’t have it both ways. Tomlin has helped assemble these rosters. He selected these QBs. He kept Canada. He’s the one who neglected the Oline for years, thus neutering the running game. He’s the guy who allowed Bill Belichick to run circles around him in every meaningful game for years, costing us multiple trips to the SB. It amazes me how blindly loyal people are to this guy. As a Steelers fan, I want more than “non-losing seasons”. If we have to lose for a bit to get back on top - so be it. Every team does it. Sick and tired of treading water and accepting mediocrity.
It is insanely suspect and bizarre that a guy (who many consider to be a top coach) who’s been coaching the same squad for 18 years has a nonexistent coaching tree. Im pretty sure there’s not a single other example of a long tenured successful coach with no coaching tree. And only 3 playoff wins in the last 13 years is wild as hell too. Especially when a majority of it was with prime Ben. And we had arguably the best WR and RB in football for a few years with AB and Le’Veon. I do give Mike credit for no losing seasons. Winning games isn’t easy in the NFL. But I think Mike’s a slightly above average coach. To quote him, it’s a results based league. And he pretty much is exactly what he’s most known for. Being slightly better than average and leading 9-8 teams to first round playoff exits against better coaches. I genuinely would love to see him prove me wrong this year. I really hope we aren’t a 12-5 team with a first round exit. But I gotta see it to believe it.
A good coach does what Tomlin's done. Make the playoffs every couple years, of course have an even or winning record every year. A great coach win those playoffs game, finds a way to beat NE in 2016, maybe wins another SB.
It baffles me the number of people in the comments praising Tomlin after watching this. Tomlin is a smooth and charismatic leader, but that doesn’t mean he’s a great football coach. I’ve been a Steelers fan my whole life and I think it’s time for a breakup with Tomlin. He’s reached his ceiling as a HC, but the floor is pretty high as well. As long as he’s the HC Pittsburgh will be good, just never good enough.
Couldn’t have said it better. I have respect for Tomlin, but the way the media has overblown his status as a coach is mind boggling. We haven’t won anything is so long, and I still don’t think we will get any closer this year. I was optimistic in the summer about this season, but since then that excitement has faded. If Tomlin is going to have a losing season, this is the season. We are going to see what he is truly made of that second half of the schedule. It also sucks seeing all this defensive talent go to waste as well, I mean TJ not having a single playoff win is depressing. Either try to win a Super Bowl, or reset. Steeler Nation is tired of mediocrity 😤
@@FrankMichaelSmith yeah, probably. If we start having some post season success, I could see things get a little better in the eyes of the fans though (myself included). Also, I can’t remember if you touched on this in the vid, but do you think the “he won with Cowher’s team” claim is also a valid point?
Tomlin is a great example DEI hire. Not qualified for the job but gets it anyway. Every year it seems Tomlin seems to run into a stretch of games the team loses.
Before this video started after watching the short I almost commented that it really just sounds like Tomlin is the locker rooms hype man. Funny af to hear Bradshaw say the same shit 🤣
Its really unfortunate. So many people also make this a racism move (?????????) and saying that any criticism towards him is an attack on his race and not his coaching. Its truly fucking pathetic that such a mid tier COACH gets so much praise. If I was a steelers fan I wouldve wanted this guy gone after 2018, when that whole leveon bell holdout thing happened and he LITERALLY could not control his team to save his life. Go watch UrinatingTree’s “Days of our Steelers.” He literally does NOTHING.
Nail on the head. Tomlin is no hall of famer. He won a Super Bowl and went to another with another mans team, and in the 13 years has gone absolutely nowhere. This is the Steelers. Not the Browns or Lions. We aren't shooting for "Winning Seasons." We're shooting for Super Bowls or at least deep playoff runs. He is Mediocre Mike.
I would settle for being competitive with the top teams in the conference, honestly. You can't win every year, but it truly feels like we don't even belong on the field with any of the top teams in the NFL.
Very dishonest to call this video hate. He's complimentary of Tomlin throughout, but just makes a fact based case that he's not as good as perceived, and backs it up with data and argument. To call that hate is to say we aren't allowed to honestly criticize anyone, and that's dishonest and unreasonable
They were under 500 missed the playoffs last year with Cowher. You can't blame Tomlin for the losses but take away credit for his success. You lose credibility when you do that. No need to destroy the man. I want him replaced too but he's class act.
@the_Sage71 Wrong. Cowhers last season was 2006 and their record was 8-8. .500 record is not a losing season. If it applies for Tomlin it applies for Cowher. You lose credability when you try to do that. Tomlin had an ideal situation. Inherit a future hall of fame quarterback in his prime for the first 11 years of his career 2007-2017.
@@the_Sage71coach t also kept all of Cowhers coordinators and staff. Since Mike T has started choosing his own he's done nothing but hire garbage coordinators.
@@the_Sage71 they were .500 which is a non-losing season and therefore was great. But Cowher recognized that 8-8 was so bad that he retired. Shame Tomlin can’t see the same writing on the same wall.
I live in Pittsburgh. I am a Steelers fan. You can spout of whatever nonsense you want BUT, the Steelers are never bad under Tomlin. You fail to mention that MANY teams in the NFL are insanely bad. Laughably bad. I couldn't imagine being a fan of a team that always sucks. What would be the point of going to games and following the team? The reality is, if Tomlin were to be fired or resign, SO MANY TEAMS WOULD THROW INSANE AMOUNTS OF MONEY AT HIM. You fail to consider the reality of the NFL. Poverty teams stay poverty. Replacing coaches left and right with no results. Do you even watch the NFL? You need a superhuman at quarterback and a top 5 supporting cast to even have a chance to win a superbowl. Sure you might get a Nick Foles moment every now and then but what happened to that guy? Oh yeah he was never that good and faded away. If you were actually correct, which you are not, who would the Steelers even hire as coach? Have you seen the coaching market? The biggest coaching hire is a gimmick OC that got smoked by mid tier defense that also happened to stumble upon a generational talent at QB. If everything was as simple or obvious as you make it seem...you would be running an NFL team.
Stopped listening @1:52 In what world is McCarthy better than Tomlin? Or Peyton? Path to greatness? There is no evidence either Shanahan or McVey will last that long.
Mike Tomlin is average during the regular season and a disaster in the playoffs. His best years were immediately post Cowher for a reason. He inherited a good stock of players and staff but has since shown little skill in choosing assistants. Terry Bradshaw nailed it with his take on Tomlin as a great cheerleader.
So here we go. As A browns fan that lived less than 2 hours from Pittsburgh for 20+ years I have seen my fair share of the Steelers. What is being said and shown here is true. Steeler fans buy into the man Tomlin claims he is. They love his perceived no nonsense demeanor. He gives you the idea he is 100% the guy to motivate the right guys to go back to a superbowl. He’s never had a meltdown, he’s been consistent. The problem for the Steelers is consistency. Everyone goes crazy about him not losing a season, but he really ain’t winning em either! I haven’t heard of any coach that says”8-7-1 sounds quite alright to me!” The next video recommended is about hue Jackson, who was fired after 1 8-8 season. How many equivalent season has Tomlin had? The claim is that Tomlin this great of men. But what about Antonio brown, Bell, exactly what’s stated in this video. When these issues come up, he shuts down and gives some generic answer. Fact of the matter is, when you give Tomlin a loaded roster, he can motivate those guys far. But it’s hard to get a solid roster when you’re picking in the middle because you haven’t had a good season in almost 10 years. When the browns were somewhat good(in spite of themselves) I didn’t worry about the Steelers, because they’ve been what they’ve been for years now. It seems steeler fans are completely comfortable being average, and if by some miracle the browns pull their heads out of their butts and turn themselves around, I sure do hope Tomlin is there when it happens, cause I won’t be sweating them Steelers
@alekbeaver4088 not all of us are content with being mediocre. The national media pumps this guy up. The woke Rich Eisens. I always get weird looks when I tell fans of other teams that I don't like Tomlin. I get "we'll take him!". I say you can have him. Or they say I like the way he talks! That's the only thing he knows how to do. Guy has been a head coach 17 years and still can't manage the clock or when to and when not to challenge. What got me was last week he didn't blitz 39 year old Flacco. A guy he's faced 22 times..He's clueless.
half the forums online are calling for tomlin's head after every loss wtf u mean the fanbase is content with being average? You kidding? Steeler fans like defense. Thats why we love the steelers. True you cannot win it all with only defense anymore and tomlin knows this but not everyone has a top 5 pick for a QB every year now do we? Yall have had a top 10 pick for what 20 years and still cant do nothing im content with not being the browns
tomlin is a poor excuse for a coach, he wasn’t qualified to coach high school football when he was hired. He does not belong in canton, he destroyed the legacy of the Steelers, full of old repeated rhetoric, he is an embarrassment.
I’m a born and raised Steelers fan. Been watching Tomlin since we hired him in 07’. I commend him for being a vocal coach and he’s usually okay with the media too. The good things pretty much end there for me. Obviously we don’t know completely what happens behind closed doors but Tomlin has an abhorrent track record with player management. The amount of stupid reasons we’ve lost players over the years is just crazy. Not to mention he’s always been awful with clock management. My biggest personal complaint would have to be when we almost never change our defensive look coming out into the second half of games. That’s why we can never sustain a lead or comeback
Yeah everyone crowns Andy Reid as the best coach of all time now, even though he was kicked outta Philly and never really did shit with the eagles. Patrick Mahomes has made his career.
The Jags game wasn't really close either, Steelers scored a meaningless TD at the very end otherwise it would've been another two score loss. It is bizarre to see how the media treats Tomlin vs someone like Mike McCarthy, they both have 1 SB win and nearly identical regular season records.
I’m a lifelong Steelers fan; please spread this video far and wide and get this true message out there. Many of us have been saying this for years. I hate to say this but I think part of the reason the media is hesitant to criticize him is bc they don’t wanna bury a black coach and all the baggage that comes with that. For awhile there the NFL got down to one or two black head coaches, and the liberal media couldn’t dare rip the last one left; he was the great beacon for what black coaches could be. Nobody had the guts to stand up and say that this beacon isn’t even that good
Focus on the now and not the past. The last playoff win for the Steelers was in 2016. That’s not good enough. Belichek had 4x the accomplishments and still got booted because he was underperforming. Face reality, tomlin has been overrated as of late. “No losing seasons” isn’t that great when you are just perpetually mediocre instead of winning.
Yall haven’t done anything since when? If you’re comfortable with what is, at 9-8 and sometimes being good enough first round loss in the wildcard, then sure, absolutely. Just know as a browns fan I’m glad that yall have Tomlin too! He’s cheeks
Won that Super Bowl with cowers players/OC&DC, currently has a 8-10 (losing) playoff record, hasn’t won a playoff game in 7 years, and has only recorded a playoff win in only 4 different season despite being HC for 18 years. How could you possibly defend this???
One of the most overrated coaches, outside of the Super Bowl win and 2nd superbowl appearance he’s just the black Jason Garrett the way he always ends up going 8-8 or 9-8
I love this video. Me and my family who are all die hard Steelers fans have been non stop ranting about our Tomlin for years. I never understood why he’s loved. He’s mediocre all the time and rode a bill cowher golden team that a toddler could take to the Super Bowl. After Cowhers guys left he’s been barely even winning. Most of our games are won by 7 points or less. If we slapped his record for the last 10 years onto any other coaches they’d be fired multiple times over.
@@FrankMichaelSmithbro your just trying to be different. Every point you made can be easily disagreed on. Not his team. He still kept them around for 3+ years, that’s not easy. People keep saying he never had a losing season. Just because it keeps being said doesn’t mean it’s any less valid. No one just stumbles into a 17 year long head coaching career. Winning a Super Bowl your roster or not i still difficult. You used to pride yourself on being a Steelers fan, and the fact that you can’t be happy with consistent winning shows you are just a spoiled fan looking for any reason to kick one of the best coaches in the nfl to the curb
@@Fallman10 brother do yk football that man is super overrated its not even a debate 10 plus years of him not doing anything ruining drafts also being a LOSER when it matters what are you even talking about 😂 ( respectfully of course )
What has the equated to though ? Stop lowering the bar cause you are biased, he hasn’t done ANYTHING since 2010 he needs to go, his message is stale and doesn’t resonate anymore, he will NEVER win another playoff game
as a steeler fan that kinda likes tomlin still. all of these critiques are spot on really. but what confuses me is how he manages to get away with it? like is it literally because he’s never had a record below .500 and he’s won a super bowl and two lamar hunt trophies? that’s it? i agree with the beginning that if you get rid of the two super bowl berths entirely he’d probably be on the hot seat but how tf is he STILL getting away with it? EDIT: after week 5 of the 2024 season Loss to the cowgirls: yeah fucking fire tomlin
The idea that nobody criticizied Tomlin is ridiculous. Steeler fans adamantly trashed the hire immediately. They refused to give him credit for winning the and appearing in another SB. They claimed Ben was carrying him even though he has a winning record without Ben. He never got credit for getting HOF performances out of certifiable knuckleheads. If you are what your record says you are then his record is great. This last steeler team was at 8.5 by Vegas and got to 10 wins.
If Barry Switzer doesn't get credit for winning a SB in his 2nd year as HC after taking over for Jimmy Johnson, then why should Mike Tomlin? As soon as more and more players from Cowher's 05 team started to retire, Tomlin had less and less playoff success. From 2007-2010, Tomlin is 5-3 in the playoffs. From 2011-2024, Tomlin is now 3-8 in the playoffs. Tomlin's hire and legacy are solely because of that SB win, had he went 0-2 in the SB, he wouldn't have lasted this long with the Steelers. Also, look at all the talented players he's had and still can't win a SB with. Tomlin can be both a great HOF coach while also being an incredibly, overrated coach.
One thing I have to disagree with is at the 13:07 mark. This previous AFC and NFC championship games were filled with teams with a great defense and a great run offense. The only one who wasn't was the Lions who are still not bad on defense. The Chiefs won a Superbowl the "old fashion" way and no one talks about it. They ran the ball and played great defense. Yes Mahommes is Mahommes and turned it on come playoff time but still it was the defense and running game that got them the ring.
Stopped watching when you put Payton on the list as Very Good. Rode Brees to a SB 15 years ago, never returned, riddled with the scandal of Bounty Gate. Just no.
Great video. Took guts to say what many fans believe. As a lifelong Steelers fan, it's so agonizing to hear people say "but he has winning seasons". Listen to the man who won 4 Super Bowls. Terry never should've apologized for telling the truth.
Regarding Tomlin's coaching tree, Bruce Arians was Tomlin's OC and went on to be a superbowl winning head coach. Todd haley was Tomlin's OC and went on to be an OC for the Browns. Brian Flores was Tomlin's lbs coach and went on to be the current DC of the vikings. The current OC and DC of the Steelers are former head coaches. Tomlin has had 5 OCs (one future HOFer) and 3 DCs (one HOFer). You can critique Tomlin's playoff record without lying about his staff.
Arians was hired by Cowher in 2003, and then promoted to OC in 2007 (the same year Tomlin arrived) after Ken Whisenhunt left. Todd Haley lasted 1 season with the Browns and then couldn't get a job anywhere else in the NFL. Brian Flores was the HC of the Dolphins before he was the LB coach with the Steelers for 1 year. He was with the Patriots from 2004 to 2018. He is part of Belichick's tree, not Tomlin's. The current DC of the Steelers (Teryl Austin) has never been a head coach. You can critique this video without lying about Tomlin's staff.
As a Steelers fan and Tomlin supporter, who would we even replace him with? Who would do a better job? I think we are a bottom half team in terms of talent. The notion that we can’t develop is overblown. And Tomlin is a good coach. So who would you get that would be better?
The Steelers would be able to a number of coaches. They've only had 3 HCs in 40 years. That means the position is stable, the fan base is large, the Rooney's are well thought of as owners. The current roster isn't all that bad.... The offense just needs a QB, a couple decent O-linemen, and another decent WR. Other than that, the team is solid
Man..... As a die hard Steelers fan, this was hard to hear. I have heard the grumblings of other Steelers fans hating on Tomlin and I must say at first I didn't give it much credit. I just kept justifying mediocre seasons and playoff loses as one off years or the results of a couple aspects of the team not doing well. But I am firmly off the Tomlin bandwagon now. Even when they won 11 straight games to start the season a few years ago, they didn't look good. I really hope this year is different, I hope they get a decent offense put together (we know most likely the defense will be decent). I really hope they play consistently good football. Thats been the most frustrating thing to watch is just how inconsistent they play from week to week. Some weeks they look absolutely terrible, some weeks they look "OKAY", and every once in a while they look good
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Facts are facts. Can't argue with this video. Respect for making it 😎🤙
You're entitled to feel that way as a fan and your argument is well reasoned and based on results. However context matters, and in a QB driven league, what realistic opportunities has he had? The draft system does not reward winning. Make a similar video about Greg Popovich, whom we all know is a great coach, but had to lose to get Wembanyama. If you bring up Shanahan as a successful Comp, a man on the brink of bottling one of the most talented rosters I've ever seen, then forgive me for saying there's something wrong with this picture.
I’m from Pittsburgh so I alway try to support your sh*t but the grass isn’t always greener man.
Tomlin is by no means perfect or some wiz kid drawing up x/o in his bedroom but 95% of NFL fans would kill for coach Tomlin and consistency.
Is it a scam?
Why are you deleting all the comments that support Tomlin???
Here after the Steelers were down 21-0 and ended up losing 28 - 14 😂
The fact of the matter is that Tomlin should have been fired after the Jacksonville loss. Not making the Super Bowl with that team because you couldn’t get your players focused was an absolute joke. He is unwilling to adapt and thinks we are still in the 2009 NFL. One of the most mediocre coaches ever escaping being fired due to high end talent
You’re right. Not winning a SB with that team should’ve been a durable offense. I couldn’t believe that Jacksonville game. I knew right then that he was a coach that can’t get it done on the big stage.
I’m a season ticket holder since the 80’s. That’s the last game I have ever been to. Refuse to go to another one until he’s gone.
@@mikepgh6529 how about you say the real reason you wont go
@@ausonia2149 that card is overplayed and has nothing to do with why he is a terrible coach. They can replace him with ANYONE who is qualified. Nice try though.
If cowher stayed another 5 yrs with been in his prime he would have another 3 rings
In America, your not allowed to state the obvious but that don't mean people don't know the obvious. Everybody in the world knows whats going on here.
Bingo. He's riding on his race
Especially on the organization that pushed through the Rooney Rule.
Yup!
And along with race comes the uncomfortable IQ discussion
@@chinchintabete Exactly. Most people aren't ready for that conversation yet, or a discussion about who is responsible for making it taboo to talk about in the first place, or all the other things that particular tribe is responsible for.
TJ Watt just turned 30 and hasn't sniffed a playoff victory, let alone a Super Bowl.
I feel bad for cam too
I think you mean hasn’t sniffed Super Bowl let alone a playoff game
That's troubling.
Yeah that's a problem
Should of left long time ago.
Dude won a ring with Bill Cowher's guys and hes been the absolute definition of mediocrity since then. The only difference between Tomlin and Marvin Lewis was the super bowl caliber roster Tomlin inherited.
Steelers went from White Mike Tomlin to the ACTUAL Mike Tomlin. Cowher was just as bad, and his ring is about as legitimate as a ring pop I can buy from Walmart, seeing as Super Bowl 40 was incredibly fixed. Steelers fans don’t wanna hear that Tomlin and Cowher are one in the same.
Belicheck recently said on a podcast that he loved playing the Tomlin Steelers cause he knew what to expect. Nothing ever changed. And then he chuckled.
Bill knew Tomlin was a cheerleader and outclassed him every time
This wasnt a diss to Mike Tomlins play style this was to say hey no matter who Mike has he is coming out fighting.
😂😂😂
As much of a fan of Tomlin I am, and not of Bradshaw, I still think it's fucked up that Terry had to apologize for his opinion on Tomlin's coaching. We all know why he had to apologize.
Don't even say it's race, lol
@@FreshPrincex4 it is race. When has anyone ever had to apologize for criticizing a coach?
I’ll say it… race. He was a Rooney Rule hire by the Rooney’s.
@@I_Skeeve_Liberals No he wasn’t lmao
@@duantae what I said was fact. Google it.
A few of my favorite Tomlin stats:
-Tomlin has been outscored 73-0 in the first quarter of his last 6 playoff games.
-Tomlin had a HOF QB from 2011-2021 and managed to win 3 measly playoff games - against Matt Moore, Alex Smith, and AJ McCarron.
-Since 2011 Jim Harbaugh has more playoff wins than Tomlin, and he coached in college for 9 years.
Also, Tomlin hasn’t won a playoff game since 2017. Obama was still in office.
I had a hockey coach like him in highschool. He knew all the parents of the highly talented club team players that went to our school and got them to join the hockey varsity team. 0 disciplinary actions, gave them all the playing time over kids that wanted to be there, let those kids egos ruin any kind of culture the team could have had, and they always lost the games that mattered.
tomlin starts undrafted rookies over drafted guys all the time wtf u talking about
That describes him perfectly
Having a winning record and getting destroyed in the 1st round of the playoffs year after year is worse than tanking a couple of seasons and actually rebuilding your team. We won't win another playoff game until tomlin is gone and definitely not a Super Bowl.
Exactly
I don't remember making this post, are you me?
Tomlin wants to get #7 for Steelers. 6 Super Bowl wins was Steelers bragging rights until New England joined them a few years ago.
Let's not mentioned how many players brought in from Free Agency that played worse under him
Joe Haden
Larry Ogynjobi
Myles Jack
Patrick Queen
Levi Wallace
Patrick Peterson
Donte Monkrief
Eric Ebron
Mitch Trubisky
Keanu Neal
Kwon Alexander
Allen Robinson
Van Jefferson
Or the list of the guys who broke out after leaving Pittsburgh
James Conner
Nate Washington
Kevin Dotson
Emmanuel Sanders
Mike Hilton
Javon Hargrave
Josh Dobbs
Robert Spillane
This comment needs way more upvotes.
Ugh - that's an ugly list! Doesn't develop players, so if they're lucky they go elsewhere. Awesome. Doesn't develop coaches, so they're pretty much done after leaving the Tomlin country club. No HC's and no OC or DC's. Mid players coached by mid coaches producing mid results. Yay. And the idea that the roster doesn't reflect his idea of how to play football is laughable. So he's always going to be the limiting factor unless another Ben shows up.
I was born and raised in WPA and am a lifelong Steelers fan, and the only thing this video gets wrong is in putting the bad drafts completely on Tomlin. Although I’m sure he has had a lot of input he’s never been the GM. The person ultimately responsible for that was Kevin Colbert until last season.
But beyond that the piece is on the money. Tomlin hires mediocre to terrible assistants for the most part, and his player development history, frankly, is far below the line.
He consistently says he refuses to “live in his fears” yet he consistently does that week in and week out.
He may have been a good hire for a veteran team with its own established identity, but not for the current state of the franchise.
@@christopherharrison2987 Yeah just look at our drafts after Omar Khan came around. Last years rookies looked good, and so far, this years class looks good too. As a Tomlin believer though, these are extremely valid points, just a little overblown in the video.
Kevin Colbert was the one who really set this team back over the past 10 years.
He had his chance to forge his own identity, and failed miserably.
@@williamchristopherallen9327 Why do you believe in Coach Mediocrity?
@@geebee6010 The complete lack of foresight in dealing with an aging Ben and O-line helped make us what we are today.
As a Patriots fan, I even saw Bill belichick change his philosophy while also keeping some of his nuance and detail / attention to the game. Bill belichick was truly on point
right the same bill bellichek that had 4 wins last year?
@@shinski8114 yes. Coaches all succumb to time. Tomlin should be next but Pitt won't do it
@@shinski8114I think they're talking more about the later part of the 2000's and 2010's when Bill realized that the NFL was shifting more towards a passing league, and decided to make Tom Brady more of the star of the show instead of the running game and defense.
@@TheSchism-y7p HERE HOLD THIS L FOR ME
@@shinski8114 ?
Context? Bc you haven't said anything to refute the correct points I've been making
This aged like fine wine
Yes....
And all we came do is wHine because Rooney would never fire him especially since he was a Rooney Rule recipient.
If Tomlin was on any other team, he’d have been fired by now, or at least on a blazing hot seat. But because of the Steelers strong defensive culture and their head coach culture, he’s got one of the safest jobs in the league. Steelers fans don’t want to hear it, but going 8-8, 9-7, and 9-8 every season, is praised mediocrity.
The Standard is Substandard.
Some Steelers fans don't want to hear it. Some of us have been saying this for years.
@@Orxbanei said it before they hired him. Imagine if they hired Andy reid
I loved having coach Tomlin until 2019 and then I started noticing the mediocrity. He hasn't and will never change. We need to move on.
Only so much you can do with Kenny Pickett
He stinks @@AsianFreshy
Now that he doesn't have Ben Roethlisberger you can really see how mediocre he is.
@@dancollins8296 BS. Show a coach who's won with a horrible QB
@@dancollins8296 almost like it’s hard to win without a franchise QB. You clowns are ridiculous.
You beat Tomlin by not giving a shit who he is. Shanahan and Sirianis coaching trees are a combined 9-0 and the closest games were concussion Tua and Zach Wilson. Tomlin also has a worse record against non division AFC teams than the Jets since 2021.
Shanahan can't win a super bowl
Shanahan can’t win a SB. As far asking coaching tree, DeMeco Ryans lucked out by walking into a team that had a lottery pick and drafted CJ Stroud. Robert Saleh just got fired. Mike McDaniel is a clown of a coach, who cannot win without Tua. FYI, Mike Tomlin has a 57% win rate without Ben Roethlisberger since 2007.
@@03Man11 and Nick Sirrani’s days are numbered as well. He’s too busy going back and forth with fans in the stand instead of coaching a winning team.
I’m 53 years old. Born and raised in Western Pa. (Steelers country)
Excellent video. Couldn’t agree more.
As you said, it gives me no pleasure in saying it, but facts are facts.
Tomlin has done a great job this year, including coaching hires (Arthur Smith).
@@UnkownSoldier100delusional
@@skygage2499 Accurate until the last 3 weeks lol.
@@UnkownSoldier100he's mediocre. like always
TJ Watt was a 1st rounder and is the best defender in the NFL
I am so confused why he included James Conner and juju when going over that draft but left tj out.
He did
What is your point? Tomlin is not solely responsible for the draft. And TJ Watt and his own work ethic and just physicality is what makes him great it has absolutely nothing to do with Mike tomlin. If you put TJ Watt on the Chiefs he'd have 4 Super Bowl rings. Because they would not have lost the one.
@@Galilelo_Telescopeit honestly doesn't matter. Because Mike Tomlin is not solely responsible for who we draft. He's only a third of the say. Right now it's between Mike tomlin, Omar Khan and the rooneys. And a few other people whose opinions matter. But Mike Tomlin can't just draft whoever the hell he wants.
Absurd that this video ignored that when explicitly going through those picks. Unbelievably poor research (or much more likely, blatantly poisoning the well).
Stoolers fan here, I've been saying this about Tomlin since 2017. Everyone said I was nuts until last season when it flipped. These last three games solidified it for me, Tomlin can't get it done when it matters now.
@@cheekybumbum9738 Playing any 3 football games in 10 days is crazy awful scheduling, but even worse when it is Philly, Baltimore, and KC in 10 days. There is absolutely no way a middling team survives that gauntlet, regardless of one’s opinion on the team’s coach. Even great teams like the Bills or Lions would want no part of that from a scheduling perspective.
@ While you have a point, Steelers got blown out badly in each of those games, against teams that had the same type of schedule (Ravens, Chiefs). Bengals game was ROUGH too.
@@cheekybumbum9738 They had the same number of games but not the same quality of opponent all *edit 10 days, unless I’m mistaken. Don’t get me wrong, while I think the now 4 game skid has a rational explanation I’m still upset by what I had to watch.
Using a RUclips short to promote a video is an idea that more should implement
The Steelers just got smacked by 3 actual Super Bowl contenders in a row. All he cares about is his non losing season streak and nothing more.
And now 4 losses
The Standard is the Standard
It’s honestly crazy because as a Steelers fan, I’m trying to think of one thing Tomlin does well in game, and I can’t think of a single thing. He rode Cowher’s team to 3 Super Bowls. He rode Roethlisberger’s prime to consistent mediocrity. & now he’s riding TJ Watt’s insane ability to impact a game defensively, keeping games close for a consistent bottom 5 offense to win close games. That’s all it is to his career. He’s a great man, a big hype guy, great with the media and has a hell of a personality. He understands Steelers culture but it has really fallen off because he can’t implement it in the whole team. It’s unbelievable he still has an NFL job. Steelers should of fired him and went after Jim Harbaugh. He would of been a great fit in Pittsburgh, outside of the fact that his brother coaches in the division
@@montanamanculich1834 he knows how to say cliches.
He's a stand-up person at least. Problem is, that doesn't matter much when you can't win playoff games.
@@Bigchet1223 the older i get, the more i realize that people who repeatedly say cliches, like it’s there identity, are con artists full of shit. They just understand human nature, and articulate it in a confident way that motivates people
@@montanamanculich1834 he's a good cheerleader?
@UserName-ts3sp is he even that with guys like women respecter Big Ben, beat my wife James Harrison, and now Cam Sutton. Like all these guys have received deals after their crimes. Hell worse off for Harrison and Sutton who had career worsts on the Bengals and Lions respectively and still brought back after their crimes.
He also called raiding and vandalizing Lev bells locker "a team building excerise" in 2018. Dudes a sleez who let's cancer control the locker room.
I’ve always wondered why people were so high on Mike. I get his past achievements but I felt like he run his course with the team a few years ago.
Sometimes you gotta take 1 step back to go 2 steps forward however the Stealers are walking on a treadmill, constantly walking but going nowhere and that’s the issue.
@HolymanChurch have only been back to the afc championship game once since 2010. No playoff wins since 2016.
Because the media props him up for obvious reasons
@HolymanChurch he won a super bowl with cowhers players. Once cowhers players were all gone the team stopped winning big games. Since the Steelers lost sb 45 they really haven't done much. Alot of mediocrity. Yes they make the playoffs sometimes. Nothing but post season failure since.
@@Bigchet1223cause we were either facing the patriots or had no qb. People really don’t know ball fr
9-3
Here after their 4th straight first round exit
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The national media doesn't watch Tomlin continue to make the same mistakes game after game, year after year. I want to like Tomlin, but he should've been fired years ago.
He won with cowhers team. The bar is set high in Pittsburgh, and 8 seasons without a playoff win is not gonna cut it.
Barry Switzer won a Super Bowl two years after taking over a Super Bowl wing roster for Jimmy Johnson. It’s hard to find a football fan anywhere that would say Switzer won a ring without adding that it was with Jimmy Johnson’s team.
But Tomlin won a ring two years after taking over a Super Bowl winning roster and it’s very, very bad to let anyone hear you say that Tomlin won a ring with Bill Cowher’s team.
Very, very bad. Do not say that
Harsh, but true. I love Tomlin, been coach literally my whole life. But Pittsburgh is stuck in the past, and until that changes I think their limit is a Divisional Round exit at most.
I think we as Steeler fans need to expect more and better. TJ Watt should not be a player with zero playoff wins
I feel bad for TJ and Cam
Wild card*
Why do you love our mediocre coach?
@@Orxbanebecause he's not white
i love how you people are just so certain that the steelers are destined to lose lemme tell you something bud you cannot predict the future i know i know SHOCKER but i hate when people are just like ''yeah steelers will NEVER win anything until they fire tomlin'' like anything can happen maybe this is why the nfl feels so rigged cause constantly i see people shooting down any prospect of a lesser team beating a better team like its impossible and hasnt happened before
The Doc Rivers of the NFL
Finally somebody says it
But don’t pretend like Mike McCarthy isn’t worse. He’s in the same world as Tomlin.
he’s worse than tomlin… the only argument against it is that the packers beat the steelers in the sb, but overall, tomlin is much better
He's Jeff Fisher 2.0 - and I don't mean that as a compliment. Boring football. Safe uninspired mediocre coaching - praised for years of not terrible records but accomplishing nothing with HOF players - and he's really started buying into his own awesomeness. If the Standard was any respectable standard, he'd fire himself.
Another benchmark is Marty Schottenheimer. Boring, predictable grind out regular season wins and get smoked in the playoffs. Coach Cliche is only one playoff one and done behind him now for the all-time lead.
As someone who grew up in a Pittsburgh Steelers supporting household in the 2000s, I've always loved em, especially the late 2000s/early 2010s, mainly because of their defense. In recent years with so many of my favorite players coming and going from the steelers roster, along with me growing up and not being blind to the mediocrity that Tomlin causes, I now know that me nor my parents(well at least me and my dad) like Tomlin and never did. We liked the team of the Pittsburgh Steelers snd the joy they brought us every year. The Rooney's need to learn that Tomlin is the issue and always was.
Whenever times got tough, if Tomlin let Big Ben call his own plays, it almost ALWAYS worked out.
Like you said Frank. The championship in 08' wasn't Tomlin's team. It was Cowher's team. 2010 was also a good amount of Cowher's team too. But in 2010, it was also the test to see if Tomlin could use the weapons that he had that year, in which he failed.
I've always been a die-hard Steelers fan, and I've said it before and I'm gonna say it again.
Let. Tomlin. Go.
Something that almost never gets brought up that has always been one of the major points of criticism for every other coach is how their players behave on and off the field. Diontae Johnson doesnt try, AB only did what he wanted to, George Pickens doesnt care to block, on the field his players look like they couldnt care less and off the field their even worse. Everyone know about AB and his antics but are we gonna ignore Le'Veon Bell and his weed addiction Big Ben and his rape charges Anthony Chickillo assulting and choking his girlfriend only to be brought back less than a month later. All of these player were not only allowed to play for the steelers but make millions and millions of dollars. The steelers culture under Tomlin has allowed for criminals to do as the please simply because they can play ball. Matt Arizia was dropped after rape charges were brought against him Darren Waller was dropped by the ravens after he tested postive for weed, Cameron Sutton was released after domestic violence charges were brought against him. With a few frustrating exceptions (mostly qb related) every team releases players when they are charged with a crime. Not the Steelers though, that would jepordize Tomlin's winning record.
So......what is it that you want to happen?
It’s poisonous. He’s allowed it to infect the locker room year after year
we even signed cam sutton 🤦
I thought the rooneys used to be known for the opposite in decades past I do believe I could be wrong tho
Let’s stop beating around thebush here. The Rooney’s are woke liberals and tomlin is black.
steeler fan here. you nailed it
Mike Tomlin isn't a football coach, he's a manager, or like an Athletic Director of the team. Several NFL coaches are in this role. The more successful coaches are Game Day & Scheme Xs and Os Head Coaches & manage the team: Andy Reid, Bill Belichick.
Deion, at the college level, is a great manager of the Colorado Buffaloes. He is a manager, recruiter, promoter, motiviator, leader, and can teach technique at the CB position, but not a Game Day Xs and Os coach. Jimmy Johnson, when he was an NFL Head Coach of the Cowboys, is an example of what Deion Sanders does at the college level. At the end of the day, despite what type of coach they are, it comes down to regular season wins and losses, post-season wins, and championships.
Man this NEEDED to be said!!! I feel like you looked inside my head and made an amazing video. Don’t sweat the haters…they’ll say that Steelers fans are just “ungrateful” and “don’t know how good they have it.” If the “standard” is 9-8 and a first round exit/not making the playoffs, as a Steelers fan I want no part of that. You hit it right on the nail with the clock management and the lack of coaching tree. Phenomenal video
bill belichick's patriots fell apart once brady left, but tomlin's steelers are still putting together decent seasons post-roethlisberger. that's not to say belichick isn't a great coach or that tomlin is better than him (he isn't), but being a super bowl contender just a few years after losing a hof qb seems like an unreasonable expectation for any coach. if the steelers are no better when the end of tomlins extension rolls around maybe there's a conversation to be had, but until then i think tomlin absolutely deserves his spot.
yep he hasnt had a qb. if he can be criticized fairly for anything its his coordinator decisions. but he's a fantastic motivator
that is almost entirely because of TJ watt. JJ did the same thing on the texans when they were trash too. TJ CARRIES this team and it’s actually unreal. 1-11 without him. i love my steelers. and i love TJ and all the great players we have, but we HAVE to get the defense out of a base 3-4 look (cause it fucking sucks) and get the offense humming again. if that happens we could be contenders again one day soon. not playoff contenders, super bowl contenders
yeah the fact that Bill is the GOAT coach made me lose interest in this video LOL
@@jesseruiz5680 Who is? Other than Lombardi and Brown, nobody else is in the discussion.
The Tampa bay buccaneers went from Brady to baker and won a playoff game that year now they look like Super Bowl contenders in bakers second year there and people hate Todd Bowles there’s no reason Mike Tomlin should be getting this amount of love for being mid year in and year out
He’s not just a coach, he’s a tractor but instead of dragging fertilizer, he’s dragging his team to a winning record
A benchmark of just 9 wins year after year is effing depressing
@@HereWeGoShow less depressing then going below .500
@@dandruff3069and then fire him and hire Jeff Fisher by that logic
@@dandruff3069by that logic, you’d rather be ok and not great than elite and bottom? that’s pure mediocrity, probably sums up a good amount of Steelers fans
@@dandruff3069 not if going below .500 results in actual player development (instead of trotting out the same mediocre veterans every week) and a decent draft position once in a while.
Remember that the worst record of the last 25 years (6-10 in 2003) resulted in drafting Big Ben.
as a pats fan, i will be content with the steelers holding on mike tomlin forever
The Patriots have done the Rooney rule by hiring in-house
Awesome content! Props to Jim Traber and WWLS 98.1 for directing me to your channel. Keep up the great work!
DEI hire if there was ever one. Thanks, coach mediocre for 18 winning seasons.
Non-losing - 3 times at 8-8
Him and John Harbaugh are long past their exploration dates. Steelers need to change while Harbaugh is holding the Ravens back through his poor game decisions at times.
Harbaugh’s postseason record > Fraud Tomlin’s
Harbaugh has a way better playoff record than Tomlin. It’s not even close
@@BassKat169
The funniest part of this is I can hear people screaming that Harbaugh has Lamar Jackson so it’s an unfair comparison.
Those people also tend to hate it when you say Cowher won a lot of playoff games without a great QB and Tomlin had Big Ben for 14 seasons
As a fellow Steelers fan we are lucky to have Tomlin. Without him we wouldn’t even be close to relevant we are spoiled to have a coach who even gets us to where we go. We should’ve rebuilt years ago but he keeps winning with subpar roster and some of the worst QB play in the league. He’s not just a good coach he is a great motivator and the players are behind him. He knows how to lead a team without Tomlin the Steelers look like fools. Also I’ve been a 5card draw regular for a while and it’s been great really good stuff with Solo Survivor as well!
He let Matt Canada stay around way too long. The first game he was gone and for the rest of the season the offense became much more productive despite not installing a new offense. That’s on Tomlin
@Bruh-yy3zb hardly relevant now.
@@Bruh-yy3zb sneaking into the playoffs as the 7 seed and getting blown out in the first round every other year is hardly remaining relevant.
You can’t say Tomlin has had a significant hand in building every team on that field for the last decade and a half/he keeps us relevant but then doesn’t harbor any of the lack of playoff success or underachievement for the last decade. You can’t have it both ways. Tomlin has helped assemble these rosters. He selected these QBs. He kept Canada. He’s the one who neglected the Oline for years, thus neutering the running game. He’s the guy who allowed Bill Belichick to run circles around him in every meaningful game for years, costing us multiple trips to the SB. It amazes me how blindly loyal people are to this guy. As a Steelers fan, I want more than “non-losing seasons”. If we have to lose for a bit to get back on top - so be it. Every team does it. Sick and tired of treading water and accepting mediocrity.
Lucky? Let him go somewhere else and see if his streak continues.
It is insanely suspect and bizarre that a guy (who many consider to be a top coach) who’s been coaching the same squad for 18 years has a nonexistent coaching tree. Im pretty sure there’s not a single other example of a long tenured successful coach with no coaching tree. And only 3 playoff wins in the last 13 years is wild as hell too. Especially when a majority of it was with prime Ben. And we had arguably the best WR and RB in football for a few years with AB and Le’Veon.
I do give Mike credit for no losing seasons. Winning games isn’t easy in the NFL. But I think Mike’s a slightly above average coach. To quote him, it’s a results based league. And he pretty much is exactly what he’s most known for. Being slightly better than average and leading 9-8 teams to first round playoff exits against better coaches. I genuinely would love to see him prove me wrong this year. I really hope we aren’t a 12-5 team with a first round exit. But I gotta see it to believe it.
It’s no we you’re not the team
@ Im actually TJ Watt. So.
So basically, Mike Tomlin is a black Wade Phillips
A good coach does what Tomlin's done. Make the playoffs every couple years, of course have an even or winning record every year. A great coach win those playoffs game, finds a way to beat NE in 2016, maybe wins another SB.
The worst part is that the offense only looked good the last few years when Ben went no huddle
Everyone also gonna forget Tomlins successful period came when Bruce Arians was his offensive coordinator?
It baffles me the number of people in the comments praising Tomlin after watching this. Tomlin is a smooth and charismatic leader, but that doesn’t mean he’s a great football coach. I’ve been a Steelers fan my whole life and I think it’s time for a breakup with Tomlin. He’s reached his ceiling as a HC, but the floor is pretty high as well. As long as he’s the HC Pittsburgh will be good, just never good enough.
ur gunna regret that i promiss you.
@@shinski8114 hit me up when they make a Super Bowl, because it’s not gonna happen as long as Tomlin is the HC.
He's smooth and charismatic, like a con man, not a leader.
Cant wait to see this! you always have unique perspectives man talking about things in-depth that many others aren’t
Couldn’t have said it better. I have respect for Tomlin, but the way the media has overblown his status as a coach is mind boggling. We haven’t won anything is so long, and I still don’t think we will get any closer this year. I was optimistic in the summer about this season, but since then that excitement has faded.
If Tomlin is going to have a losing season, this is the season. We are going to see what he is truly made of that second half of the schedule. It also sucks seeing all this defensive talent go to waste as well, I mean TJ not having a single playoff win is depressing. Either try to win a Super Bowl, or reset. Steeler Nation is tired of mediocrity 😤
The saddest part is he’s going nowhere. He’ll probably get extended again
@@FrankMichaelSmith yeah, probably. If we start having some post season success, I could see things get a little better in the eyes of the fans though (myself included). Also, I can’t remember if you touched on this in the vid, but do you think the “he won with Cowher’s team” claim is also a valid point?
@@Dewski34he did talk about that. As part of the player development issue
@@Dewski34 I never agreed with that because Cowher himself had trouble getting to a SB with “Cowher’s players.”
@@FrankMichaelSmithI agree. Mark my words Steelers ain't winning superbowl till 2030.
Here we are four months later, and this video is aging very well….
As a Steelers fan from the Burgh, I agree with all the commentary in this video.
Mike Tomlinson gets out coached week in and week out by ANY offensive based coach he plays. The clock is up.
Tomlin is a great example DEI hire. Not qualified for the job but gets it anyway. Every year it seems Tomlin seems to run into a stretch of games the team loses.
The Kamala Harris of the NFL…….
Before this video started after watching the short I almost commented that it really just sounds like Tomlin is the locker rooms hype man. Funny af to hear Bradshaw say the same shit 🤣
Its really unfortunate. So many people also make this a racism move (?????????) and saying that any criticism towards him is an attack on his race and not his coaching. Its truly fucking pathetic that such a mid tier COACH gets so much praise. If I was a steelers fan I wouldve wanted this guy gone after 2018, when that whole leveon bell holdout thing happened and he LITERALLY could not control his team to save his life. Go watch UrinatingTree’s “Days of our Steelers.” He literally does NOTHING.
the king of 9-9
So real
You act like going .500 after facing Burrow and Lamar twice, with lousy quarterback play is ordinary.
@@Baldinosalvador no its a good feat but that alone shouldn't give you the level of glaze this man has
9-9 is impossible it's a 17 game +1 bye season
@@mazz22 9-8 in regular season and then 1st rounded lmao
KEEP TOMLIN , THE LOSING MUST CONTINUE 👍👍👍👍👍👍
I think the worst part is the dedication to the no losing seasons, it ensures that high end talent only ends up in Pit by chance
Nail on the head. Tomlin is no hall of famer. He won a Super Bowl and went to another with another mans team, and in the 13 years has gone absolutely nowhere.
This is the Steelers. Not the Browns or Lions. We aren't shooting for "Winning Seasons." We're shooting for Super Bowls or at least deep playoff runs.
He is Mediocre Mike.
I would settle for being competitive with the top teams in the conference, honestly. You can't win every year, but it truly feels like we don't even belong on the field with any of the top teams in the NFL.
I’m glad someone is AFRAID to say it.
Fella drank the whole bottle of hatorade on this one 😂😂😂
Or just spoke the truth. Has done nothing in 15 years. 3 playoffs against backup qbs. Mediocre isn't good enough.
Hatorade? Name one thing he said that wasn’t a fact.
Very dishonest to call this video hate. He's complimentary of Tomlin throughout, but just makes a fact based case that he's not as good as perceived, and backs it up with data and argument. To call that hate is to say we aren't allowed to honestly criticize anyone, and that's dishonest and unreasonable
Looks like you drunk the media Kool Aid on this one. Steelers fans know what he's saying is facts. Tomlin is overrated.
Mike tomlin is the G.O.A.T
Tomlin has the steelers looking like trash every year so I'm happy 😊 he was giving a SB team and hasn't done shit on his own
19/22 Steeler players in the superbowl win against the Cardinals were drafted by Cowher including Roethlisberger.
They were under 500 missed the playoffs last year with Cowher. You can't blame Tomlin for the losses but take away credit for his success.
You lose credibility when you do that. No need to destroy the man. I want him replaced too but he's class act.
@the_Sage71 Wrong. Cowhers last season was 2006 and their record was 8-8. .500 record is not a losing season. If it applies for Tomlin it applies for Cowher. You lose credability when you try to do that.
Tomlin had an ideal situation. Inherit a future hall of fame quarterback in his prime for the first 11 years of his career 2007-2017.
@@the_Sage71coach t also kept all of Cowhers coordinators and staff. Since Mike T has started choosing his own he's done nothing but hire garbage coordinators.
@@the_Sage71 they were .500 which is a non-losing season and therefore was great.
But Cowher recognized that 8-8 was so bad that he retired. Shame Tomlin can’t see the same writing on the same wall.
I live in Pittsburgh. I am a Steelers fan. You can spout of whatever nonsense you want BUT, the Steelers are never bad under Tomlin. You fail to mention that MANY teams in the NFL are insanely bad. Laughably bad. I couldn't imagine being a fan of a team that always sucks. What would be the point of going to games and following the team? The reality is, if Tomlin were to be fired or resign, SO MANY TEAMS WOULD THROW INSANE AMOUNTS OF MONEY AT HIM. You fail to consider the reality of the NFL. Poverty teams stay poverty. Replacing coaches left and right with no results. Do you even watch the NFL? You need a superhuman at quarterback and a top 5 supporting cast to even have a chance to win a superbowl. Sure you might get a Nick Foles moment every now and then but what happened to that guy? Oh yeah he was never that good and faded away. If you were actually correct, which you are not, who would the Steelers even hire as coach? Have you seen the coaching market? The biggest coaching hire is a gimmick OC that got smoked by mid tier defense that also happened to stumble upon a generational talent at QB. If everything was as simple or obvious as you make it seem...you would be running an NFL team.
Dude does Tomlin pay your mortgage or something
@@polish_american5736He sounds like that weird co-worker that everyone avoids.
Stopped listening @1:52
In what world is McCarthy better than Tomlin? Or Peyton?
Path to greatness? There is no evidence either Shanahan or McVey will last that long.
Head in the sand
Head in the sand
“Didn’t end well for Matt”. 😂😂😂
Steelers have never fired their head coach and they never will
But we didn't need to extend Tomlin.
Never say never.
Mike Tomlin is average during the regular season and a disaster in the playoffs. His best years were immediately post Cowher for a reason. He inherited a good stock of players and staff but has since shown little skill in choosing assistants. Terry Bradshaw nailed it with his take on Tomlin as a great cheerleader.
So here we go. As A browns fan that lived less than 2 hours from Pittsburgh for 20+ years I have seen my fair share of the Steelers. What is being said and shown here is true. Steeler fans buy into the man Tomlin claims he is. They love his perceived no nonsense demeanor. He gives you the idea he is 100% the guy to motivate the right guys to go back to a superbowl. He’s never had a meltdown, he’s been consistent. The problem for the Steelers is consistency. Everyone goes crazy about him not losing a season, but he really ain’t winning em either! I haven’t heard of any coach that says”8-7-1 sounds quite alright to me!” The next video recommended is about hue Jackson, who was fired after 1 8-8 season. How many equivalent season has Tomlin had? The claim is that Tomlin this great of men. But what about Antonio brown, Bell, exactly what’s stated in this video. When these issues come up, he shuts down and gives some generic answer. Fact of the matter is, when you give Tomlin a loaded roster, he can motivate those guys far. But it’s hard to get a solid roster when you’re picking in the middle because you haven’t had a good season in almost 10 years. When the browns were somewhat good(in spite of themselves) I didn’t worry about the Steelers, because they’ve been what they’ve been for years now. It seems steeler fans are completely comfortable being average, and if by some miracle the browns pull their heads out of their butts and turn themselves around, I sure do hope Tomlin is there when it happens, cause I won’t be sweating them Steelers
@alekbeaver4088 not all of us are content with being mediocre. The national media pumps this guy up. The woke Rich Eisens. I always get weird looks when I tell fans of other teams that I don't like Tomlin. I get "we'll take him!". I say you can have him. Or they say I like the way he talks! That's the only thing he knows how to do. Guy has been a head coach 17 years and still can't manage the clock or when to and when not to challenge. What got me was last week he didn't blitz 39 year old Flacco. A guy he's faced 22 times..He's clueless.
coming from a browns fan lmao thats insane dont ever talk about the steelers like you are above them ever again xD
half the forums online are calling for tomlin's head after every loss wtf u mean the fanbase is content with being average? You kidding? Steeler fans like defense. Thats why we love the steelers. True you cannot win it all with only defense anymore and tomlin knows this but not everyone has a top 5 pick for a QB every year now do we? Yall have had a top 10 pick for what 20 years and still cant do nothing im content with not being the browns
@@Bigchet1223yup and you are 100 percent right.
tomlin is a poor excuse for a coach, he wasn’t qualified to coach high school football when he was hired. He does not belong in canton, he destroyed the legacy of the Steelers, full of old repeated rhetoric, he is an embarrassment.
1:45 Kyle Shanahan is on the path to greatness? Buddy, he's on the path to infamy. When peddling in terminology, make sure to use the words correctly.
I’m a born and raised Steelers fan. Been watching Tomlin since we hired him in 07’. I commend him for being a vocal coach and he’s usually okay with the media too. The good things pretty much end there for me. Obviously we don’t know completely what happens behind closed doors but Tomlin has an abhorrent track record with player management. The amount of stupid reasons we’ve lost players over the years is just crazy. Not to mention he’s always been awful with clock management. My biggest personal complaint would have to be when we almost never change our defensive look coming out into the second half of games. That’s why we can never sustain a lead or comeback
How is Belichick the greatest coach of all time? He just had the greatest qb of all time and as soon as he was gone Belichick couldn’t do anything.
Yeah everyone crowns Andy Reid as the best coach of all time now, even though he was kicked outta Philly and never really did shit with the eagles. Patrick Mahomes has made his career.
and lets not forget his record with Cleveland.
✳️ next to "best coach of all time"
The Jags game wasn't really close either, Steelers scored a meaningless TD at the very end otherwise it would've been another two score loss. It is bizarre to see how the media treats Tomlin vs someone like Mike McCarthy, they both have 1 SB win and nearly identical regular season records.
I’m a lifelong Steelers fan; please spread this video far and wide and get this true message out there. Many of us have been saying this for years. I hate to say this but I think part of the reason the media is hesitant to criticize him is bc they don’t wanna bury a black coach and all the baggage that comes with that. For awhile there the NFL got down to one or two black head coaches, and the liberal media couldn’t dare rip the last one left; he was the great beacon for what black coaches could be. Nobody had the guts to stand up and say that this beacon isn’t even that good
Black beacons are never very good.
I have thought these same things for the last decade. It's nice that you put it all together like that.
1 Super Bowl
2 AFC Championships
7 Division Titles
No losing seasons.
Pretty damn good.(I see you crybabies in the comments keep it going ya whiners)
Joe Montana was pretty good too. Doesn't mean he should still be playing qb
Focus on the now and not the past. The last playoff win for the Steelers was in 2016. That’s not good enough. Belichek had 4x the accomplishments and still got booted because he was underperforming. Face reality, tomlin has been overrated as of late. “No losing seasons” isn’t that great when you are just perpetually mediocre instead of winning.
the difference is bill didn’t have winning seasons after Brady left not saying Tomlin is one of greatest
Yall haven’t done anything since when? If you’re comfortable with what is, at 9-8 and sometimes being good enough first round loss in the wildcard, then sure, absolutely. Just know as a browns fan I’m glad that yall have Tomlin too! He’s cheeks
Won that Super Bowl with cowers players/OC&DC, currently has a 8-10 (losing) playoff record, hasn’t won a playoff game in 7 years, and has only recorded a playoff win in only 4 different season despite being HC for 18 years.
How could you possibly defend this???
I’ve been saying this for years! Thank you for calling this bum out!
One of the most overrated coaches, outside of the Super Bowl win and 2nd superbowl appearance he’s just the black Jason Garrett the way he always ends up going 8-8 or 9-8
I love this video. Me and my family who are all die hard Steelers fans have been non stop ranting about our Tomlin for years. I never understood why he’s loved. He’s mediocre all the time and rode a bill cowher golden team that a toddler could take to the Super Bowl. After Cowhers guys left he’s been barely even winning. Most of our games are won by 7 points or less. If we slapped his record for the last 10 years onto any other coaches they’d be fired multiple times over.
He’s Jeff Fisher
except he's given a raise instead of being mocked then fired
@@FrankMichaelSmithbro your just trying to be different. Every point you made can be easily disagreed on. Not his team. He still kept them around for 3+ years, that’s not easy. People keep saying he never had a losing season. Just because it keeps being said doesn’t mean it’s any less valid. No one just stumbles into a 17 year long head coaching career. Winning a Super Bowl your roster or not i still difficult. You used to pride yourself on being a Steelers fan, and the fact that you can’t be happy with consistent winning shows you are just a spoiled fan looking for any reason to kick one of the best coaches in the nfl to the curb
@@Fallman10 brother do yk football that man is super overrated its not even a debate 10 plus years of him not doing anything ruining drafts also being a LOSER when it matters what are you even talking about 😂 ( respectfully of course )
@@jo_yb0y913”do you know football” “what are you even talking about”
Respectfully ofc. Cmon dawg if you gon be a douche at least own it
@@Fallman10 Tomlin did, he got hired by the Steelers.
Gotta love RUclips recommendations right now. 😂
If no losing seasons in 17 years in easy, how come none of the coaches you listed have done it?
What has the equated to though ? Stop lowering the bar cause you are biased, he hasn’t done ANYTHING since 2010 he needs to go, his message is stale and doesn’t resonate anymore, he will NEVER win another playoff game
Agreed. Been saying he was mid for a while now. And something felt very off about that Pivot interview
And still has a better record than Bill Belichek, who got fired by the way after no Brady, whenever you get thru.
lol. 1 ring and 8 playoff wins is better than 6 rings and 35 playoff wins?
Could not agree more, Tomlin has become the new Jason Garrett
as a steeler fan that kinda likes tomlin still. all of these critiques are spot on really. but what confuses me is how he manages to get away with it? like is it literally because he’s never had a record below .500 and he’s won a super bowl and two lamar hunt trophies? that’s it? i agree with the beginning that if you get rid of the two super bowl berths entirely he’d probably be on the hot seat but how tf is he STILL getting away with it?
EDIT: after week 5 of the 2024 season Loss to the cowgirls: yeah fucking fire tomlin
Because the Steelers don't fire head coaches, and they certainly don't fire black head coaches they hired after pushing through the Rooney Rule.
Tomlin has done a great job this year.
The idea that nobody criticizied Tomlin is ridiculous. Steeler fans adamantly trashed the hire immediately. They refused to give him credit for winning the and appearing in another SB. They claimed Ben was carrying him even though he has a winning record without Ben. He never got credit for getting HOF performances out of certifiable knuckleheads. If you are what your record says you are then his record is great. This last steeler team was at 8.5 by Vegas and got to 10 wins.
If Barry Switzer doesn't get credit for winning a SB in his 2nd year as HC after taking over for Jimmy Johnson, then why should Mike Tomlin? As soon as more and more players from Cowher's 05 team started to retire, Tomlin had less and less playoff success. From 2007-2010, Tomlin is 5-3 in the playoffs. From 2011-2024, Tomlin is now 3-8 in the playoffs. Tomlin's hire and legacy are solely because of that SB win, had he went 0-2 in the SB, he wouldn't have lasted this long with the Steelers. Also, look at all the talented players he's had and still can't win a SB with. Tomlin can be both a great HOF coach while also being an incredibly, overrated coach.
I live in Pittsburgh...Die Hard Steelers!! Tomlin did get a super bowl ring becuz of Cowher! But WHO can be better than Tomlin? Noone!🙌
One thing I have to disagree with is at the 13:07 mark. This previous AFC and NFC championship games were filled with teams with a great defense and a great run offense. The only one who wasn't was the Lions who are still not bad on defense. The Chiefs won a Superbowl the "old fashion" way and no one talks about it. They ran the ball and played great defense. Yes Mahommes is Mahommes and turned it on come playoff time but still it was the defense and running game that got them the ring.
Stopped watching when you put Payton on the list as Very Good. Rode Brees to a SB 15 years ago, never returned, riddled with the scandal of Bounty Gate. Just no.
He also was 1 referee cuck away from making Super Bowl 53. He extended Brees' career by simplifying the offense for him and making it more run heavy.
We will see how great he is with Denver and developing Bo Nix tbh.
Great video. Took guts to say what many fans believe. As a lifelong Steelers fan, it's so agonizing to hear people say "but he has winning seasons". Listen to the man who won 4 Super Bowls. Terry never should've apologized for telling the truth.
Regarding Tomlin's coaching tree, Bruce Arians was Tomlin's OC and went on to be a superbowl winning head coach. Todd haley was Tomlin's OC and went on to be an OC for the Browns. Brian Flores was Tomlin's lbs coach and went on to be the current DC of the vikings. The current OC and DC of the Steelers are former head coaches. Tomlin has had 5 OCs (one future HOFer) and 3 DCs (one HOFer). You can critique Tomlin's playoff record without lying about his staff.
Arians was hired by Cowher in 2003, and then promoted to OC in 2007 (the same year Tomlin arrived) after Ken Whisenhunt left. Todd Haley lasted 1 season with the Browns and then couldn't get a job anywhere else in the NFL. Brian Flores was the HC of the Dolphins before he was the LB coach with the Steelers for 1 year. He was with the Patriots from 2004 to 2018. He is part of Belichick's tree, not Tomlin's. The current DC of the Steelers (Teryl Austin) has never been a head coach. You can critique this video without lying about Tomlin's staff.
He didn't hire Arians or LeBeau
Haley came from Belechik just stop glazing for Tomlin.
He needs to go away or get fired.
Bruce Arians was better than Tomlin by miles !!!
As a Steelers fan and Tomlin supporter, who would we even replace him with? Who would do a better job? I think we are a bottom half team in terms of talent. The notion that we can’t develop is overblown. And Tomlin is a good coach. So who would you get that would be better?
That's what I've always said.
Lincoln Riley and hundreds of others
@@FrankMichaelSmith Can’t coach a defense to save his life, plus would never leave USC anyway.
The Steelers would be able to a number of coaches. They've only had 3 HCs in 40 years. That means the position is stable, the fan base is large, the Rooney's are well thought of as owners. The current roster isn't all that bad.... The offense just needs a QB, a couple decent O-linemen, and another decent WR. Other than that, the team is solid
@@FrankMichaelSmithOh you were cooking until you said Riley
Man..... As a die hard Steelers fan, this was hard to hear. I have heard the grumblings of other Steelers fans hating on Tomlin and I must say at first I didn't give it much credit. I just kept justifying mediocre seasons and playoff loses as one off years or the results of a couple aspects of the team not doing well. But I am firmly off the Tomlin bandwagon now. Even when they won 11 straight games to start the season a few years ago, they didn't look good. I really hope this year is different, I hope they get a decent offense put together (we know most likely the defense will be decent). I really hope they play consistently good football. Thats been the most frustrating thing to watch is just how inconsistent they play from week to week. Some weeks they look absolutely terrible, some weeks they look "OKAY", and every once in a while they look good