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League of Legends' Eternals are garbage and you shouldn't buy them
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I hate making videos like this.
To paraphrase about 95% of people on twitter: "imagine paying for achievements, lol".
At this point, players of league will buy anything for their favorite champ... I'm very guilty of this
"People buy games and then pay not to play them already. Why the fuck not pay to have our achievements shown?"
~League Logic 2020
And then those same people will pay for achivements as soon as they come out. And so will anyone in the comments and the person who made this video will too. Just wait and see noone will care in 2-3 months they will all buy their eternals and forget they were ever complaining. This isn't the first time people complain and then buy stuff anyways.
The old client tracked stuff like this. Maybe not so much in detail, but still.
Csgo has done it for years... So has tf2 nobody has really complained about it or it hasnt hit the mainstream like this. Im a fan of stat track skins and I prob will like eternals
I remember Twitch' quote:
"SHINY? Not for long..."
Thank god I'm not the only one that's seen that nothing has improved from the first iteration. I saw a tracker on Brand's free eternal that said "Epic monsters killed" and I immediately knew it was going to be just as bad as it was before, if not worse.
Riot teasing jungle Brand
i mean realistically at least riot made base stats blue essence buyable. that said all the slightly interesting parts are behind rp wall. so in a sense yes this return from the drawing board os practically the same but it’s still bad practice
"ok so we saw ur feedback and after 7 months, we changed fucking jack shit except make the shitty ones purchasable with BE and the interesting ones can now track bigger numbers xd"
@@541megaboy5 you just predicted the future, brand jungle is confirmed
This is called using your platform for good. TB Skyen does it again, the madman.
Riot: "We heard that a lot of these Eternals aren't unique enough to the specific champions!"
[three months later]
Riot: "so anyways every champion with a shielding ability has an Eternal that shows how much damage they blocked with the shield, that's it, that's all there is to it, yes that's literally already tracked in post-game stats, give us money now thank you"
I _hate_ that these are monetized, and I've hated it since they were announced. And the fact that the only way to unlock them without monetization is through RNG via Essence Capsules, which we have no way of knowing for sure will in any way be accessible outside of ranked split rewards, is even _more_ godawful. Nothing has changed. They're acting like we're all supposed to have just magically forgotten what Eternals were like when they were first announced, as if we don't still have bountiful evidence to reference?
I haven't spent a penny on Riot ever since the lawsuit was announced, and they still won't see a penny so long as they're coddling Scott Gelb's ass in the goddamn workplace. And I will continue to rail against them for the years of harassment and abuse that were swept under the rug, and the blackballing, and the executive safeguarding, and the increasingly-predatory monetization practices. And I will continue to be grateful for the work of the people in the creative teams, and the balance teams, and all the people at the bottom rungs of the ladder trying to do their job and make the game good enough that we'll be able to tolerate the things they're being forced to do by the executive branch. But I will sure as shit lambaste the corporate side for veering harder and harder into exploiting their players's wallets at every opportunity.
U lost my support when u thanked the balance team lol
i bet those programmer who made this system for three months are going to be fired, because the shareholders will think that they failed to achieve what eternal should, poor programmer. All of their efforts go into dumpster.
Riot Games: "Wanna have achievement? Pay!"
T B Skyen: "Riot..."
Riot Games: "What is it Skyen?"
T B Skyen: "Not you. Player base! RIOT!"
Anyway, I agree. It is time to shame Riot for Eternals.
It gets so much worse when he points out they're going after children
Adrian Bolling Going after Children’s money is standard procedure for bad game practices. Children are so much more susceptible to social pressures, and addicting flashing lights.
Red Tally this happened a while ago with those kids content creators promoting a gambling website
Targetting children as a consumer is not uncommon and that goes for every industry. Targetting children has always been a large part of gaining a profit and it works exactly for the reason that Red Tally is pointing out and it is absolutely disgusting.
I just dont understand why they would monitize this? like just make other things around eternals payable but dont block fun achievements behind a paywall
That's capitalism, bay-bee.
true, I just wish they had invested the money and the time they wasted on making "Eternals" on something that the community actually wants, like a visual rework, a skin, improve the report system, the client, Idk, ANYTHING rather than this, that literally NOT A SINGLE SOUL was asking for.
Tencent.
Valve did a very similar thing with Dota 2 pay a subscription fee to have the game track stats, hero picks/counters, hero mastery and earn cosmetics for it. I think maybe they are just following the market?
@@valenroman5642 This is probably cheaper and easier than any of those things, and even if not, it opens up a whole new avenue of monetization. Check out Philosophy Tube's video on Materialism if you want to understand how video games companies/corporations/powerful individuals and institutions in general justify the shit they get up to.
I actually would be fine with eternals if all of them could be bought with blue essence at a reasonable price, like, 1k each maximum, then you could reasonably farm then for all of your champion pool without spending money, but as far as I heard there are going to be "better" eternals for RP only
This!
Eternals being purchaseable with BE would have still sucked, but it wouldn't have felt like they were trying to rip you off. But this way? They offer some cheap discount Eternals for BE that no one wants anyway.
i feel like people missed the part where u can get the "better" eternals for free aswell via capsules
@@HHYatoXL ppl just dont feel like reading into it they hear "pay for this" and go apeshit
@@altermann1991 best way to 'earn' eternals would have just been playing the corresponding champions, maybe even getting to at least mastery 5 to start unlocking them would give newer players something to strive for. This would be the only way I consider a viable reason for not just having eternals be just 'there' for everyone on implementation.
@@HHYatoXL Capsules, which will probably be random and give the lesser ones among those 'better' eternals, just like the skin shard system. This will also reduce the amount of champ shards new players get from said capsules as the % chance will be spread thinner among all the possible things you can get.
Eternals sound a lot like Tahm Kench, expect it's not just a story this time.
My strange unusual burning riven chroma that gives her sepheroths wing and a flaming sword when I kill 8 dragons and 23 players and gives me a special recall animation
Bruh you got the burning flames riven that's like 600 keys
Or as we call it on tf2, 9 quintillion ref
I feel like someone could make a bootleg 3rd party version to make eternals meaningless.
It used to exist, the site was called elophant and had achievements for a lot of things. Sadly thats gone now
I mean, using overwolf you could even integrate it into the game - someone do that please.
@@EinManU Overwolf is terrible though
@@Marpfie why is it bad?
My friend has like 2.5 million mastery points on zyra at mastery 7. That already tells me that she has a really good understanding of her champion. I dont need to know that shes hit _ champions with her e. That shes hit _ amount of people at once with her ult. Its unnecessary. XD
You don't need a eternals to prove you can do something, just spam Ctrl 3 over your victims dead body
+ it's probably only gonna track from the moment that he buys eternals, which doesn't say anything about what happened before
It's actually super fun to have things like that tracked tho. However meaningless some of them will be, it's still more meaningfull than the champion mastery especially once you look at both stats at the same time. And it gets even better if you look at achievements that actually take skill. Like hitting every single xerath ult or getting 4+ enemies in your morg/malph ult. The system is great guys, just the monetization is crap.
what's her ign
Thing is, you're actually wrong there. Someone can have 2.5 million mastery points and have mastery 7 and still be shit at their champion. I've seen something similar happen personally. For one, mastery points and mastery aren't relative to a player's objective level of skill just to how many games they played and how many S' they may have gotten in their games. S ranking however are relative to how players are doing in the role so that zyra player for example could have played top late zyra (which no one played) and just not hard feed and would get an S, after that they could just spam play her to the 2.5 million points.
Those S rankings are based on some of the very stats that eternals will be showing, that show you successful uses of the champion's kit. It's still not 100% conclusive to the player's overall skill but it's more context. There was a time when it wasn't the stats these eternals will show that determined what mastery rating you got. Instead it was almost purely on KDA so KDA players got the most S rankings, even if they were hardly contributing to the game.
Mastery was just as unnecessary as these eternals and you only don't think so because mastery has become the stick by which you measure things and the same will become true for eternals after being made official and being spread.
I love how this is the first recommended after the eternal announcement
“Only when the last tree has been cut down, the last fish been caught, and the last stream poisoned, will we realize we cannot eat money.”
Nice Aurora lyrics
*sees Coronavirus coming* oh .... so this is how we die :(
cringe
Oh, they are gonna monetize the bugs, garbage mystery bags, and slightly less poisonous water.
Remember the stats they show you at the end of the season? Like how much pentakills, damage and champs you banned. Imagine paying for that lol. ITS THE SAME THING.
I mean they get rid of the "my year on review" in order to introduce this shit of a system.
lol. An Official Riot Partner (I suppose is official because it is always used in "this or that" and linked in champions pages for stats and builds) offers "Years in review" if you subscribe a premium account.
Me looking the title: yeah... never really planning on doing that...
But its good you talked about it skyen
Edit: thank you for the likes :D
Oh it's TF2's Strange counters again.
Server clearing strange star guardian urgot: 20069 kills, 999 ult executes
@@nekorisakirisame1323 I'd pay for TF2 Domination sounds when you achieve an Eternal milestone.
@popocot popocot That argument is pretty flawed, eternals can be gotten for free too through buying with blue essence and you also get them from level ups.
thing is, tf2's economy and how steam works meant that in theory you could get stuff for free provided you just sold off what you had
Thanks for speaking out for us devs
Upvote this yo
Its stil an optional purchase, if you dont like it dont buy it.
Thats how capitalism works and why its effective for both consumers and businesses.
You get to tell them 'NO THANKS!' and they lose their investment.
@@fgdsfgsdfgdsfgdfgsdfgsdfgs8679
That's true, but people who want them are going to buy them, and LOTs of people will buy them. Look at what happened with Loot Boxes. Everybody complained about them, yet they sold like candy. It was bad for gaming, bad for players, bad for pretty much everyone besides the studio.
Just because something CAN be made available for purchase doesn't mean it should be.
@@alya2510 Well loot boxes are very much gambling or trigger the same excitement impulses as gambling. With eternals you do actually know what you are getting, there is no luck or element of winning more than you put in, involved. Therefore it will not appeal to those with weaknesses to risk averse addictions.
If people know what they are, and some people still choose to actually buy them? doesnt that mean these are something some people actually want?
I think i mentioned i play one champ, so for me this would not be a big outlay. I think i saw these are less than one thousand RP for a full set, and you can get some with BP too. So yeah i think they are dumb, but my only fear is they would affect gameplay since people would be doing 'tricks' to farm up eternals possibly.
It depends how they are designed.
I cant imagine they would be successful, but i dont think there is any moral boundary being transgressed here. This is no different from buying a skin or emote, you either want to buy the thing or you dont. Market dictates...
As a side note, it would be more interesting if they were tied to unlocking skins/emotes/borders/chromas, that way your money would go toward something which usually you would pay for.
Just an idea....
Lol it will kinda be funny if community ends up shaming everyone who buys this and then instead of that sense of pride people expected to get when they flash their improved masteries everyone just starts laughing at them for spending money on eternals
I already laugh at people that buy prestige skins, so I'm gonna be in that shaming boat for sure
@@ExSuPiO1 i never buy skins only get from shard level up things
@@ExSuPiO1 hey, some of them are cool, and they don't cost that much anymore
@@kirbytrax8326 Ngl I do feel like skins have become more money grab over the years, that's why I personally haven't spent any money on the game since 2016 or 2017.
But prestige skins are just a laughable edition. They alter a skin you already had to pay for to become golden maybe more glamour-y and they overprice them so heavily AND you have to pay for every single new prestige skin anew. And I also don't think the little goodies you get along the skin justify the price at all.
I gotta say btw, Prestige Aatrox is probably my favorite looking prestige skin, but yeah it's kinda my thought, prestige skins are mostly just really lazy money grabs. But people just see SHINY and buy smh
ExSuPiO1
“They alter a skin you already had”
No, they don’t. You don’t need the base one to get the prestige. I don’t have regular true damage Qiyana.
Prestige skins are relatively the least overpayed skins(considering epic or more skins because they don’t release lower quality skins anymore). You get a prestige skin for 10 dollars more than the regular epic skin and you also get 15/20 dollars worth of rewards that I stated in my previous comment.
I do think they are cash grabs but not for the reason you mention.
My only problem with them is being just yellows chromas. They should be prestigious but for now the only skins that can be considered that are Qiyana’s and Senna’s.
Anyway, eternals are trash.
"Pay us, or it didn't happen."
Lmao
Everyone laughed at the horse armor... but look at us now horse armor and all kinds of microtransactions are everywhere even in single player games
The thing is that microtransactions cost comparatively very little to create so it doesn't take that much for them to break even and they almost always make a profit eventually (assuming the game isn't dead and there are still players playing it)
Even if it fails it might still stick around.... but maybe I am just too cynical and pessimistic.... hopefully I am wrong and it will fail and be buried and forgotten
I think cosmetics are different tho. I mean I hope it will be different. There is still hope in the player base.
8:05 Holy shit Skyen sounds exacly like my low self-esteem demon when he's trying to convince me to not socialize and that's scary
What's the point of having a strange kill counter if it can't be called "Saxton Hale's own X"?
>:c
That fact that the gaming industry grew so massive ever sense I first discovered gaming as a whole kind a makes me repect the people that worked on their favorite games, what I'm worried is those people up there looking down as like wallets with legs. Has the gaming industry gone from delivering quality and fun to their loyal follower to companies just eating and destroying each other and their fan base just to max out on profits? *Where did we go so wrong?*
"Where did we go so wrong?"
_Capitalism has entered the chat room_
I dunno man, I still think releases like Hollow Knight were absolutely WAY beyond the value charged for the game, and frankly, if moving to indie titles serves to give me the most enjoyment, so be it.
The gaming industry has always been a capitalist warzone. It didn't just "go wrong", it's been a slow spiral down ever since companies first realised you could charge more money after the initial purchase. I believe EA was patient 0.
But what do you expect? Not all of these companies are gonna be run with passion in their hearts. Business is business, I can love a company for making the right choice as much as I want but it's a dog eat dog world in business. Also, League is a free to play game so this doesn't even apply. No one is forcing anyone to buy eternals, they're a bad way of implimenting an achivement system but it's nothing to get all existential about.
Most companies first concern is profit, most of them see you as wallets with legs, some are just better at hiding it than others. Don't be fooled into thinking a company cares about you, they almost always don't. An individual within that company may feel fond of the playerbase but that's not the company itself caring about you.
Tencent.
>reads title
My thoughts exactly.
im glad you mentioned the workers, so many times they get harrassed for just doing their job when they dont have a say in it
It's an absolute travesty that two of the starter series eternals, WHICH YOU STILL HAVE TO PAY FOR, are Takedowns and Structures Destroyed.
Takedowns and Structures Destroyed were originally tracked globally on an account as part of the old achievements system before it was removed. I don't remember when or why they were removed, but they existed FOR FREE back in the old days. Now we have to pay out the ass for them. Ridiculous.
And the achievements aren’t even that good, tbh. What they could maybe do is monetise “skins” for the Eternals, but leave the actual Eternals free.
I mean, it’s a way to monetise Eternals that isn’t as harmful. Everybody still gets all the Eternals (for free), but the people who want them can have them styled like Project, or K/DA, or whatever. This makes them more like the shiny Pokemon cards: they all have the same “stats”, but some of them are shiny.
That's a pretty good idea tbh.
I love project theme so I would have even bought that...
I would kill for dark star theme eternals if they did this.
didnt we already have achievements on the old client??
We did, but they decided that they would rather have more money than a proper game
There was an achievements tab, but it was never used.
it was simple and kept track of how many multikills, assist, and highest killing spree etc.
i kinda liked it. miss the old client.
@@Valigarmanda that acheivement syetem is still in the current client bro, go to any profile and u'll find it the farthest to the left in the menu tabs ( the one with "match history" and stuff )
Thank you for bringing this up. Totally agree - this should not become a normal thing, people must talk about it otherwise we'll get new lootboxes in a different skin poisoning the game industry
These are nothing like lootboxes though. They're a one time buy. I don't think we should just "let" the gaming industry start charging for god damn stat tracking but these don't resemble lootboxes whatsoever. The main issue with lootboxes is the random chance, meaning no guarantee of getting what you want. At least with these you know exactly what you're getting, shitty or not.
Yes, I understand. I meant that if we allow this one slide it might become widespread thing just like it was with lootboxes
That wasn't taken with a grain of salt, Skyen had he whole salt holder lol
Was not planning to buy them, only the "basic" version that you can get for BE, because I have too much extra BE so why not lmao
They also, ofcourse, made bundles that unlock every Eternal on all current and new champions XD
Same
@@Georgiana216 lol thanks xd
Can we talk about the music choice for this video? Absolutely top notch! All the sound cues felt perfect and made the whole experience that much more impact-full. Good video as always.
I'm curious, do you think the way Valve handles this situation in, for example, CSGO with some weapon skins having trackers that track how many kills you have with them, or in DotA2 where you can forge these trackers into certain armor slots, is better or still garbage?
The dota 2 is better for the simple fact that dota plus comes with a lot of helpfull stuf. Could be way better but still. Sounds,20 trackers per character, quests, some( not enough) sets, ingame guides, etc etc etc. definetly better than singular stat counter for one hero
On dota it's a premium feature of a premium pass environment. On the worse side dota has other "addiction" problems, like roulettes (including not being able to buy the trackers directly but only through rerolls) and random skins from chests but I don't think anyone gives a shit anymore
Thing is the , the csgo tracker proves actually nothing , like you have 20000 kills on your ak , so what, you also have 8000 hours so that doesn't prove skill.
But think about the intimidation factors and how easily players get tilted in lol.Picture this : your already jumpy teammate sees the enemy lee sin with some insane stats and lvl 7 mastery. Just by looking at those stats he shits himself every time he sees him by mistake ..he dies once to him ,,ff pls this guy is too good."
I know it sounds absurd but i can easily see it happening if a guy with impressive enough stats shows up in a game
I don't know, it won't go back in time and pull my "achievements". So I'm a little put off anyway. I wouldn't mind if they cost BE only. But if it was a way for them to gauge interest, to have new hired people to do it, they should only be like 50¢ a piece or something
I also want an option to disable the notification of the eternals when the enemy kills you. Don't know if it's still the same but the first time they announced it, it showed enemy's eternal info when he kills you. I don't want to take part of any side of this system.
Agreed, it's really gonna be demoralising. At least the kill info right now is just kind of informative... knowing and seeing every single time you get killed by that guys whose got this and that statistic sucks.
This must be the result of 200 years of cumulative experience. Amazing.
12:54 I was expecting the Marx overlay to cut in at some point around here.
Imagine selling achievements for showing improvement in a competitive game, where improvement is supposed to be the consistent end goal.
9:51 pretty much what happened with Battle Passes, which is actually "yes indeed you did play this much time on this video game, hand us da money if you want it to matter"
This is why I appreciate you in this community, you’re determined to convey your point and I can feel without even being to see your face
I don't think they're really that bad. Same as skins. They're optional and obtainable for free with luck, but not necessary.
Came here to hear the pros and cons of eternals left with the reciting of the communist manifesto
Skyen: Starts to talk about how boycutting doesn't work and we should shame Riot
Music: [Boss theme activated]
9:51 "That shit is gonna spread all across the gaming industry and you gonna have this in every single goddamn videogame"
It's already like this, Riot didn't invent it.
Almost a year later a noticeable effect that I've noticed is that some people think they're good because of these eternals. It's created this ego boosted environment that revolves around "I did this thing x amount of times so I must be good!" I hate it. Just cause you've done this one move so many times doesn't mean anything if it doesn't benefit the game or team. There's a severe lack of focus and a shift in mentality. Instead of improving game health/listening to player feedback, riot is on autopilot focusing more on monetization it's so annoying.
2010 "Imagine what games will be like in 10 years!"
2020 "Paid Achievements"
Thank you especially for calling out the argument I hate more than almost any other- the "this doesn't bother me so it shouldn't bother anyone" fallacy. This is one that _really_ pisses me off, because it's entirely grounded in rampant egocentrism ("Only what I think matters") and because it's most frequently used by lazy corporate defenders who casually waste money like piss.
Also, I didn't realise how young you are, Skyren. I assumed you were about the same age as I am, but if the Pokemon CCG came out when you were still only 8-10 then you're _considerably_ younger than me.
The CCG was out when I was younger than that, but it didn't become a big fad until later. I think Pogs were the big thing before them for a little while.
I would not mind anything at all if all ethernals were all blue essence, make it cost a ton of BE so people still want to use RP if they can. And I hope it tracks them even if you don't have the eternal, it doesn't show but at least track it.
As someone who plays a lot of champs outside of where they are meta IE I was one of the highest win-rate taric jungle players for years I'd love for riot to recognize that and then use that so I can show other people. Just mastery makes people think I'm a support main but I can't support to save people's lives literally. I run taric and Braum as bruisers. It'd be nice to have people recognize that I've been able to make those amazing plays, especially since if I try and queue as those weird champs people assume I'm a troll when I'm actually someone who worked their ass off to make my favorite champs work in my favorite role.
Skeyn uses Kindred’s music in the background to talk about something, make it sound scary.
I need to use Kindred’s music to talk about conspiracies. 😆
This isn't Kindred's music? :o. Or at least not the login.
Yea no this isn't kindred's theme in the background
@@kinmakin2180 listen when he start saing why Riot did this.
Since you don't mentioned it... isn't this basically exactly what Apex Legends has? (I'm not trying to say it's ok because of that, just that this isn't the 'start' of it)
I'm not familiar with Apex Legends systems so I can't comment.
@@TBSkyen ooooh ok!
Apex allows you to put the stats onto your profile, these trackers are found in lootboxes or bought with in game currency. The stats are tracked regardless and you can choose to display them.
I've not really been keeping an eye on this stuff, and it was nice to hear someone's opinion on the matter, especially one I can relate to on such a deep level.
Thanks for your input TB. While it was not a fun video for you, it was informative to me and I appreciate getting to know your viewpoint.
Also a bit fun to hear another Dane talking about Pokémon cards on the school playground. That was deeply relatable too.
the shitty thing is, that they most probably already have this tracking system from the beginning, because THEY need this data for ballancing and other stuff. and now they just came up with the idea to make some of this info available to you, for money. so you dont pay for that to be tracked. you pay for that to be visible.
You’re right, it’s aimed at charging the younger audience... I have played since Beta, and I would say that in the first 6 years when I was age 14-20, I must have spent over £1000 on this free game on all kinds of crap. Now, I’m 24, I don’t care about skins and haven’t bought ANY RP for over 3 years, but younger me would STILL be spending money. It’s just highly disturbing that Riot continue to charge for loot boxes and for things like this when it has been shown to be damaging for younger audiences.
i literally rolled my eyes when Riot first announced eternals
@sadeee that's still not a positive thing tho
Can we just note that the League of Legends news no longer has comments? Hmmm...
League players: Eternals sucks, i'ts an obvious cash grab that just counts things you do anyway.
Tf2 players with the strange weapon system: first time?
Having purchased the Night and Dawn battle pass to experience it, it wasn't worth it. With the high price and minimal content offered, I'm never going to buy another one unless they hard core overhaul it or hard core reduce the price.
I imagine Eternals will be much of the same; charging maximum price for minimal content.
Thanks Tencent.
I really wish Riot would’ve just made these unlock for a champ at lvl 5 Mastery and made them upgrade or grow at 6 and 7. Or they could’ve even locked them behind a level 8 or 9. But monetization, probably not the right call.
Riot b like you gotta buy stat tracking
Yeah, _League of Legends_ isn't the game is used to be. Perhaps more accurately, Riot has been going down this road for quite some time. I could make a whole list of things they slowly changed in an effort to monetize things further. Chromas, Keys & Chests, Missions, RP Sales, Skin Sales, etc. all slowly wore down my willingness to give them money. Eventually there were so many little annoying things that I stopped playing. Skin Sales used to be clearly advertised in the launcher, new skins would be discounted at launch, there used to be sales for 'double bonus RP' (making it the best time to stock up on lots of RP), Chests used to be rewards for 'performing well' with a specific champion, and more. Slowly they started changing these systems that incentivized players to play the game (an important thing for a multiplayer game) into systems that tried to get the most money out of players. Things like the removal of IP in favor of an infinite leveling system designed to tease players with random loot in hopes that they'd pay money to use that loot are kind of key points in the history of _League._
Sure it's a free to play game, but while early on I enjoyed giving them money, the more they started begging for money and asking for it everywhere, the less I felt inclined to. Finally it got to the point where they released a Solar Eclipse Leona, a Legendary Skin and they had the audacity to do a palette swap in the form of Lunar Eclipse and try to sell it for full price (changed to half price if you bought both). At that point I decided the future of the games monetization was just going to continue going down hill and what little goodwill I had for Riot was used up. Playing had become a chore and if I wanted the full benefit of playing, I'd have to be giving them money for passes and tickets. I don't think I continued playing much longer after that and I'm not terribly surprised they're adding more monetization features designed to make players feel like they're missing out if they don't give them money.
(edit)
... at the end of this video, I got an ad for _League of Legends,_ the irony.
Double bonus rp is still a thing in LAN and LAS servers.
TB Skyen: This wasn't a fun video to make.
Me: TB Skyen rant videos are what I live for.
I feel like I've just taken a Consumer Psychology course. Great content.
I totally agree! Actually I don't even care about the champion experience stuff, you know...the winged flag that shows that you are lvl 4-5-6-7 of experience on a champ. That also requires a lot of BE or shards to activate which is BS if you ask me. Another way to encourage us to spend some kind of currency for displaying something that you already achieved by putting in hours, energy and time. Probably the champ experience flag was the precursor for the etenrals, to see if people are dumb enough to spend something so others can see their "shiny pokemon" that they've already trained so hard.
When i saw this is too was outraged. Im happy someone are standing up to them. Derudover havde jeg aldrig gættet du var dansker! Din accent er vildt flot!
You are not right about Steam/Valve. Dota 2 has gems that can be socketed in your items to stat track ,CS:GO does aswell and they both cost money. RIOT is not the only company that does it.
This is the video people should be sharing. If only someone with some kind of pull on Riot's website could update that share link to this video instead of the official one.
Also, uh... loot boxes didn't start, or even get popular among companies, with the release Overwatch, there, chief.
It's a little bit like Trophies on the Playstation.
It's nice to have them and furthermore there will be players that spent more time in the games to get them.
In League, spending more time in the game also means you are more likely to watch the esport stuff, you are more likely to buy skins and champions etc. Stuff that riot already relies an to generate money.
There will be enough players that spent almost 45 bucks to get those achievements, but on the other hand if they are free or maybe cost like 5 bucks, more people would spend more time in league, generating even more money.
Thank you for calling out Riot for doing something this greedy
@@Argon598 Every other game that has achievements lets you unlock them for free. Why should someone pay for a feature that you never have to pay for in any other game?
As a programmer and aspiring game designer, speak the truth. We just want to create a product that provides for customers and is entertaining. It's always corporate, management, higher ups, whatever you want to call them. THEY decide the predatory marketing shit. We just try to make a nice product that people will enjoy and have no say in any of that
You bring up Steam in this, and i think Dota's version of this should be mentioned. It's a Subscription that's 4$ a month to access a system that gives you points after leveling up a character or completing bounties in game, you get points, and then can either roll for these or buy them for a bit more, with a refund on ones that you already got. It should also be noted that these points are usable towards the Trackers OR Skins, and they're not character independent, so you can grab points off of easy bounties on other characters and then put them into your main(s).
I think people missed the part where u can get the champion specific eternals via eternals capsule which u can earn just by completing milestones in eternals. But im not defending riot either putting a pay wall for achievements is still pretty scummy.
I love how dramatic yet true this thing is. This works for skins aswell but at least it's something they've done for you, not something you actually " Passively " did. And " You did the thing, pay us and we show you did the thing. Here's the thing " had me weak
I feel like this is if the mastery system was only available by paying like if u want to show that you are lv 5,6,7 on a champ the obly way is to buy it with rp. Now what if eternals were obtainable trough crafting and chests tho? 🤔
DOTA 2 has something similar too, I think they're called inscribed gems on there. There are some that are also free, that you can use for your fave hero and track the stats that way.
Remember the achievements tab in the first launcher ? Yeah the one that existed but was never made fully accesible and was a blank placer holder, well that was better than this thing.
"boycotts won't work because gamer boycotts never work"
Not to say it would work 100%, but it did work with ward skins though, so there is a precedent in this very same game... (for those out of the loop, riot wanted to make ward skins temporary as something you rent. The whole community opposed and now they're permanent).
I dislike the eternals too. But the same thing is in Apex Legends. The only reason why I'm frustrated about it is because you can not obtain the champ exclusives ones with Blue Essence. I want them to have that option no matter how much you have to grind for it. Every thing that is being monetized other than skins should have the option to be purchased with Blue Essence. Or even Orange Essence. Just a free way to obtain as long as you sink in the time for it.
EDIT: Stat Trackers also exist in CS:GO and TF2.
Dota 2 has done this "Stat-tracking" for a price as well. Dota Plus is a monthly subscription and it only tracks the cool things you do while your paying them to do it. Looks like League wants in.
My real issue with Eternals is that players may be too focused on progressing their Eternals, and end up throwing games. Like with Lee, going 1 for 1 in a situation where it's a bad trade, but Lee gets progress on the Bells Rung Eternal. Or pointlessly suiciding to bicycle kick an enemy. With Syndra where you have to use a 5 orb ult, the enemy is low and you could easily just kill them with a 3 or 4 orb ult, but you are greeding for the 5 for the Eternal and the opponent flashes away or something. Or with Katarina the Eternal where you need to kill people with your ult, but you can kill your opponent without wasting your ult, yet you end up using it anyway just for the Eternal.
There are so many Eternals that make the player do a play that's not optimal, and that's what bothers me the most.
Let's sing a very known song called "It just works"
We should give Riot the Blizzard treatment
Imagine being a company as successful as Riot and being so greedy that you make people pay for achievements.
I think to make it kinda worth the money is to put actual rewards every time you get to certain point on those achievements like 50/100/150 and so on
even if the reward is random like sometimes you get skins, sometimes just BE or champion shard, at least you actually got something useful than just an achievement display
I've gave up on giving money to Riot Games for a few years now despite enjoying all their games BECAUSE they do shit like this! I'd like to support them but with little care for the community and actual players. I rather spend my money elsewhere.
Thanks for the warning and information! It means a lot to me to see somebody doin something about it! Keep op the good work!
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The biggest slap in the face was they released a pass that unlocks every basic achievement for more than 5000RP, then declared that was more than reasonable by saying it was a 90% discount
I wish I got achievements that would pop up "Hey! You did the thing in the game!"
so this is just like dota plus?
but dota plus is a subscription where you can see the records of your stats like pudge's "hook kills, dismember kills, etc. and on every heroes you've played since you subscribed and you can also collect shards from the missions and buy a Dota plus skins "cannot be bought on market with money" you can only get it via dota plus mision points you will also get a guide while picking like which hero is good and bad for your team mates and against enemies's picks and many more
i think the price of 1 month sub is around 4$
sorry for my english
Already happened in dota, it’s called dotaplus but honestly I don’t mind it because they give in game assistance. It’s a monthly thing but it gives enough benefits to the point that no one minds.
Riot games made a series of little legends that are very.... "oriental" like. Right before releasing their TFT game on Mobile....
When they know the biggest mobile consumer of games is China...
I'm not surprised by these guys doing shit like this. Annual Multi Billion dollar company just can't suck up enough cash. They should have done this system for free as a thank you to all of the fans who have given Riot games BILLIONS of dollars. Fucking scunts.
For fuckin sake how they will live and feed their family with a free to play game? Tft makes money with the mini legends. Lol
@@stefanopaolini6117 how will a company with 4000 employees ever feed themselves!?!??! They only make multi billion dollars every year!
Doesn't change the fact that Riot is a money vaccume. We give them BILLIONS of dollars and they still shake us down for more.
have fun being a pay puppet.
Riot got negative feedback for having to pay RP to get eternals so they decided to change it, they changed it alright so that basic eternals are the same for every champ is for BE but can only get unique eternals for RP. Riot promised we would be able to get both for BE but then goes back on what they said to try and make more money for no reason. A company who made millions from a free game already has come out on top and doesnt need anymore money. Achievements for playing a champ should be able to be earned through playing the game and spending BE, players who dont want to wait can spend RP. We should be getting what we were promised and have the opportunity to spend BE or RP on all eternals.
There is an online game that did something similar but did it better. Dungeons and dragons online.
They made a monster manual which is tracking the number, what subraces or special monsters of a type you killed
example: dragons.
What this did though was to also after fighting enough of them start showing you hidden stats of the monsters and lore for them.
Finally what they did was to give the first of the seven pages for free, which contained all the most common monsters.
Yes it was paid content on a free game but in my opinion worthed to actually pay for it if you felt like it way more
Their marketing targets are one-tricks and tryhards. Aside from personal favorites and just being able to show off, seriously, who else is focused on these? It's vying for validation.
love reking lvl 300 noobs with most expensive skins and no skill, now i can destroy noobs paying for achivments and skins but still no skill, ow what joy
You said right things!!! It's like llaying with minds, making us unlock stats when some of them you can actualy track down yourself.
If it was kinda good.. but no 6 stats to pop out for sweet $$$ you spent on your favorite champion. If they let you customize stuff in it. Not just "Here you have fancy things that you do in matches.. BUT here is prize tag"
Buffs for champion who got skin recently
Unpopular champions are staying weak
"PRESTIGE" chromas
And now Eternals aka prized achievements or "PRESTIGE" stats
It all goes down hill..
At least art made by Riot Games is still on good level. Music, lore and champions YES they start to be simple but they add something to the game. Too bad they keep changing and adding stuff to this alwaysbreakingclient.
We can hope that they will finally listen and react to their community reaction.
Tbh, I was a bit stupid with this, I saw the picture of eternals and assumed it would unlock a whole bunch of characters. Also, I only just started playing, so I feel like I wasted a whole load of blue essence which I would've spent on other characters.
Remember when Bethesda tried to monetize mods? Yeah let's just try to shame Riot the same way we did back then