Jed Bartlett Shows Us How to Respond To Scott Renfroe
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2009
- President Jed Bartlett shows us just exactly how we should respond to state Senator Scott Renfroe when he quote Leviticus to bash gay people and deny them their rights.
If only we had more politicians like this
Any politician like this would be appreciated!
In this building, when the President stands, nobody seats!
Pwned!
why can't your leaders be as bold as this!!!
8 members of the tight-ass club disliked this video....
I feel like they really missed a trick in this scene... because she was eating the CRAB CAKES!
BRAVO! Never get enough of this scene!
One of my favorite scenes from one of my favorite shows. Thanks for posting this! I miss The West Wing.
This is an excellent video!
LIKE A BOSS!
LOVE IT... my responses all the time... GLAD to see it in a TV Show... that's unfortunately how many US Americans get educated. At least it's happening.
Bartlett and David Palmer from 24...the best TV Presidents of all time!!!
What a beautifully acted scene. Martin Sheen is incredible, but so is the woman playing the Dr. It's not easy to play such a dislikable character - you have to suppress the very human urge of wanting to be liked and convey that through the character. She stays true and reaction at the end of the scene is very well done.
Beautiful
Like a US President!
.......The words....are not coming to me. So i will just applaud this great man.
dang. They cut it off before Sam steals her crab puff!
A perfect response. :D
Damn! i love this video - i never been faced with someone like her before, But ifi ever was i just wish i knew all the quotes, chapters and verse that Bartlett knows to shut someone like her up.
Excuse me. I AM a christian and I HAVE read the bible, as translated from latin texts as well as The new king James version. These quotes are correct. I don't have room for a huge example, but lets talk football:
-"Leviticus 11:7-8 And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you. Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you."
One of the best TV series ever, one of the best scenes.
It's a series called The West Wing.
What do you suppose the membership dues are for the "Ignorant Tight Ass Club"?
I wish there was a love button on this video instead of just a like button.
Just because a book of words says to do something does not mean it gives you the excuse or just cause to do it. I have read those passages and as I have said before elsewhere, it is a book of past events that should not be repeated and should be used as a lesson showing where we have been and should not go again.
Its from one of the first six episodes from season two.
Well that is certainly true, and there are some black people such as Ward Connolley who disagree that affirmative action is necessary. But it is undeniable that today's western society is better than biblical times, people are no longer stoned to death, in most countries capital punishment doesn't exist.
While some would argue that passing laws to guarantee women rights is redundant because they'll be mortified to learn there was any doubt, it is still necessary for laws that can be enforced.
I want to memorize this response
Whenever someone starts a sentence with the words "well in the bible it says" I walk away. Because there is no way to beat someone in an argument who doesn't follow the same rules as everyone else.
My favorite President of all time ;)
Just one note here:
At the end......................................
when Bartlett says "Toby, that's how I beat him"
He was referring to the contest he had against Elliott Roush for Vermont State Legislature. In this episode there is a reference to Elliott Roush running for school board in a local Vermont town.
Where is this from? I wanna watch more!
The West Wing is an American television serial drama created by Aaron Sorkin that was originally broadcast on NBC from September 22, 1999, to May 14, 2006. The series is set in the West Wing of the White House, where the Oval Office and offices of presidential senior staff are located, during the fictional Democratic administration of Josiah Bartlet (played by Martin Sheen).
Tell you Mommy that's a nice tattoo.
Would anyone know which episode and season this is from?
He said "That's how I beat him." Likely referring to a past poli8tical campaign.
Instead of praying, give food to the hungry, use science to cure the ill, give the homeless places to sleep and the less fortunate the opportunities they need to be able to help themselves. As for war, until Homo sapiens can no longer be greedy, war will never end. And I understand your statement. I just think why pray when you can do actually do something. I did not mean to offend.
Why do our senators all hide behind religion, when they do not life their lives by the same rules?
"Jesus came to earth, and the old rules were replaced..hence the New Testemant" - - - - - Not according to Jesus. He said, many times, that he hasn't come to replace the contents of what we now call the Old TestAmEnt. - - Why didn't you know that?
The West Wing
Isn't this from the first episode?
I was thinking more in terms of women not being thought of as second class citizens, or being able to choose who to marry rather than be traded for a dowry of livestock. I was thinking of a society in which homosexuality is not a crime, regardless of however much Rick Santorum (closet gay) would like it to be.
Except knowledge
What episode is this from?
This is acting, the actress did a wonderful job...takes two.
Dittos Alex!
Fucking brilliant!
technically, we don't know what happens when we dead, except we dead. so we automatically assume they's nothing afterlife. but the question is raised when it comes to near death experience, because a lot of them happens when the patient already is dead....
That seems to be stretching my point a bit far.
I think society is almost definitely better today than in biblical times.
The Crusades and Witch Burning come to mind !
NDE's are easily explained. As you die the synapses in your brain die as well. Just like hard drugs, you see things and are hallucinating. As a drug taker, and one who has had 3 NDE's, their similarity is uncanny.
It is a book that offers the reader a chance to differentiate between right and wrong in which both can be found within the pages. You the reader are responsible for how you use and interpret the information and put it to work in current times. You can't just throw a one liner out there to discredit the bible. You must take the entire context of the passages surrounding the verse and then use your own mind to draw conclusions on its relevance in current affairs.
...has led to problems with overpopulation. We've become better at keeping ourselves fed, but that has led to problems with obesity and heart disease.
Democracy is seen by most as the "best" form of government, and I personally agree, but objectively speaking it has lots of problems that monarchies don't. Not the least of which is having to get hundreds of people to agree with something instead of just letting a single person decide everything, which is easier and more efficient.
Many of...TBC
@Centuari Were they alive today. Were they alive today. No doubt they were scholars of their time, but, and I really can't stress this enough, society is different now. Quite different. Very different as a matter of fact.
Yup, that is a purely rational explanation. Although when I had my NDE experience I saw nothing. I do wonder if they play out according to what you believe. As an atheist I believe I just become part of the cosmos again so maybe I saw nothing because of that. I did actually technically die twice and neither time did I have any "visions" but I count them as one because it happened in the same accident.
@David171985
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...with. If you're humble, it means accepting that you can be wrong in your moral interpretations. If you're also a loving person, then you should be willing to allow people the freedom to make the mistakes they believe are correct, and, as long as an actor sort of agrees with how the script represents morality, it seems morally acceptable to work on that production. After all, a range of reasonable views leads to discussion, which can lead to improvement on what we have.
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Not sure what point you're trying to make. I do agree that everything he said was in fact 100% correct. He offered only one liners pulled from chapters in different books of the bible that when read in their entirety, show the reasoning of the times in which they were written and enforced. None of it offers and rhyme or reason to behave in such a way now.
I wish there was an "I REALLY FUCKING LOVE" button on youtube!
That is essentially the whole point... that we shouldn't be following a 3,000 year old book to discover our morality.
exactly which ones did he override and where does he list the them. The ones we got rid of are the ones that we don't want to follow; what we can and can't touch or eat, religiously sanctioned murder and slavery and prostitution. However, we are happy glad to continue the discrimination of others through the Old Testament laws. Within the same chapter as the Homosexuality quote it also condemns body augmentation, mainly tattoos. I don't hear too many people yelling about those anymore.
What show is this?
I want to see the rest of it! dont.. stop..
And I am sure it is evident that I am not overly popular in the Christian crowd.
...our "improvements" to society don't come about because society "advances." They simply come about because the systems in place don't fit the world we live in anymore. But that doesn't mean the new systems are "better"; it just means that things have "changed." Would it be fair to say that first person shooters are better than platformers just because more people enjoy first person shooters?
To anticipate a counterpoint, I'm not saying I want to turn back the clock, nor am I saying that...TBC
No but there was a similar exchange between the President and a different ultra christian person.
Minimum wage is ultimately a good thing, it should be raised to something someone can actually live on, but it is a good thing.
Rather than pray the gay away, how about praying for cancer patients, praying for the homeless and less fortunate, praying for the end of disease, hunger and war?
What everyone needs to remember is this....The Bible was written by men. And men put in the rules they thought should be followed. The bible has also have thousands upon thousands of translations...How the sentence starts and how it ends, after numerous translations, is two different things. You only have to look at instruction manuals that have been translated into Vietnamese (or such like) and some where along the way has been translated back into English!
Every single person who has ever used the bible to justify homophobia, racism or sexism should be made to give complete, well reasoned answers to questions like these - and to own up to it when they can't.
yea, but still, some people have experience "hovering" above they beds seeing what happened although they were technically dead :/
I love how people hide behind the Bible, using it push their agenda while ignoring all the other rules in Leviticus that we have no problem with.
Did you know that according to the Bible an eagle is an unclean animal, and yet it's the symbol of our nation.
While chatting about gays etc. ...... has there been a new pope voted for?
Season 2, Episode 25
What I meant by taken out of context is that he is only drawing focus to less than one liners rather than the whole of the passage which I am aware is partially limited for time. Like I've said before, the bible is the closest thing we have to a history book that shows cause and effect in our past and does not give anyone the right to actually act out it's claims against humans. Can you imagine where we would be if people did everything they read in books?
@David171985
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I can never understand how the vocal American right, who claim to represent a religion of humility and love, are so certain that God is going to cast people down into eternal suffering, not because they've hurt people, but because they're 'wrong'.
All his points were to demonstrate that religious people who use some scripture to hold them self higher than others do so hypocritically.. they ignore a plethora of other scripture because it si not "in fashion" today... and in some cases we have laws of the land prohibiting what the Bible clearly states as appropriate... like selling a daughter into slavery. Whether he is or is not so in debt as to be Biblical justified is MOOT.
Yaaaas, bitch! Yaas
I hate to say this--because it's going to unintentionally earn me some enemies--but that's actually a subjective measure as well. There are some--including women--who believe that many actions taken in the name of making women "equal" have undermined their attempts to be seen that way and even demeaned them. (See clips with Ainsley in them)
EXAMPLE: The minimum wage went up when women entered the labor force which pushed up prices. Not bad that they can get jobs, but it comes with downsides.
Quite the contrary, it serves this purpose overly well if you take it as a book of example showing both our virtues and our transgressions and stop using it as a tool to oppress and judge others which it explicitly forbids though I know many Christians choose to cherry pick and use it to point the finger at everyone but themselves.
@jdwhi387 I have no problem with someone calling homosexuality abnormal, simply because unlike most people I have no issue with the exact meaning of the word abnormal which simply means that it doesnt comform to the norm, cause the norm is simply what the majority does. The word abnormal for some reason is considered bad, while the word itself implies no such thing, nor the opposite. Frankly I am quite happy being abnormal, it makes me... well... more unique :)
Reading your comment about how it's "obvious" from reading the Bible that "it was written by God" left me speechless. I mean, I feel like we're supposed to tiptoe around people's religion b/c it's seen as off limits for criticism, and that is very frustrating. I'll merely say this.. it's quite disturbing how this type of thinking would be considered a severe psychiatric illness (brainwashed, delusional and irrational thinking) were it not masquerading as "faith."
Will this ever come to an end?
Because Bartlet is a Practicing Catholic, is the reason I can admire this scene so much. Even he has the forethought of when He separates his religion and Political sides! Separation of Church vs State is very strong with this one !
I read the bible 4 times, everything stated here was 100% accurate in all the different versions I read, does that make you feel better?
No you can't.
Actually, It's a pretty easy thing to do. Most movie actors find it easy to follow the script when instead of being the question and answer session, or interview, as it is portrayed to be, it is nothing more than the blathering of a screen writer's imagination. The respondent is given no time to respond, and the outcome is what the writer wished it to be. That is the normal outcome of fantasy land. In a world where people are permitted to respond and allowed to think this scenario is stupid
any response from her concerning the validity of "Bible" quotes were mute because of the direct statements.. Even Bartlet has stated he is a "New Testament" guy. I found the speech very refreshing in that Way to many religious people are never taken to task Hard enough ! Your Go Bartlet !
Jesus actually states that he wasn't there too change the rules, Matthew 5:18-19 RSV, Luke 16:17 NAB, Matthew 5:17 NAB. There are more examples but I believe those are pretty clear.
And you would perhaps be singing his praises just as long as he was a Libertarian and you had some sort of control over the liberties that he/she was stomping upon, i.e. your liberties only. Screw everyone else…
Large chunks of your original constitution are irrelevant today, such as black people equallying 3/5s of a human or the second amendment. As with the Bible, it has some good points but large chunks are irrelevant. A sort of line item veto should be taken to it.
I did not contradict anything you said and rather only second your claim. I then concluded that the verses he used are partial in scope.
Woah. The Illusive Man is- wait, wait, wait. I've got a thing for this:
"Ahh yes...The Bible. The supposed book that tells us a Jewish zombie died for the sins of mankind and left no recognizable proof, other than a poorly written and many times translated book that the willfully unintelligent take to heart. We've dismissed that claim."
Except the point maid for anti-gay comments and etc was based on the old testiment... You can't pick and choose which rules to follow from the old testemant. Either you say "hey, these are outdated and shouldn't take them 100% seriously" or you take ALL of them at face value,
Unless Burnsey235's point was that you should also ignore "Doctor Jacob's" point as well, in which case I missed that.
It is possible I am just misunderstood. I do not see things the same as many. I would consider myself an open minded Christian as I do believe Christ walked the earth and I do follow his teachings. I however do not follow the hatred spawned by men who seek to use the book as a tool of power over others. I use it to guide my own life. At the same time I suppose if people are ignorant enough to allow others to control them with a book then maybe they deserve what they get?
Everything stated refuting the Bible comes from the Bible.
I was just having fun dude. this guy could be a Republican for all I care. I was just saying that this guy was higher than the normal BOSS level of awesomeness.
@abc1000001 Um, Martin Sheen is an actor paid to portray a fictional character on TV. He says the words written by the scriptwriters. His personal theological beliefs have absolutely nothing to with the West Wing. He also played a murderer in the movie Badlands. He did so without having to kill a single person. I repeat, he's an actor. He is acting.
@abc1000001 uhhhh.... Martin Sheen is a devout Catholic..... Just Sayin
...I want to impede science or anything else of that nature. Subjectively speaking, I mostly LIKE the changes we've made and hope we continue the path we're on. But it's important to remember that subjectivity is opinion, not fact. So long as we have our opinions, there will be those who have the OPPOSITE opinions, and keeping an open mind means we can't just dismiss them as based on "mental retardation" or ignorance. That demonstrates bias and CLOSED-mindedness, which is not healthy or fair.
Cannot place a link... so how about doing a search on Wikipedia "The Bible and Slavery"
What you refer to is one form "Debt Slavery"
BTW... for all LGBT+ and community ALLIES... I own and moderate LinkedIn's largest professional networking group with nearing 19,000 members globally. I cannot post a link here.. but if on LinkedIn just search for groups using LGBT, GLBT or any of the spelled out words and you'll find it.
IQ is a horrible way to identify intelligence. just saying. also how would you account for the pyramids being built, the great structures built in mexico, and the romans who built amazing monumental buildings. I'm pretty sure they were just as smart as we are today.
@TheAUDIOARCADE Do you even have a point to make, or is this just a personal rant? I admit to having done both, and this looks like the latter.
@abc1000001 How about this? His beliefs are none of your business.