He was perfect in this role. In his typical style, he was loving, but firm and exact. Sorkin's choice of Malden as the priest for this particular episode, given its gravity was brilliant.
@@billboyle5456 I can't believe Mr. Malden was 88 here ... early 70s, maybe, but not late 80s. In many ways, looking back, he reminded me of a maternal Great Aunt whom U met, sadly, the one and only time when she turned 100. I swear, to this day, she acted like a lady in her mid-late 70s, but no more. A sparkling, dry, whit, and clearly had all her marbles. Although I was in my 30s, she made feel like a comparative teenager, such was the vast extent of her memories. Only at 103 did she develop dementia, and passed away at an remarkable 106. If only Mr. Malden lived as long ... ... and this scence was an apt bookend to a remarkable career, using the same Bible he had in 'On The Waterfront' ... the kindly, humble, compassionate priest, but with a rock-like interior that brooked no excuses. Although I'm by no means Catholic, he reminds me not just of Pope Francis, but a Bishop, whom, despite overseeing one of the largest diocese in America, was blunt about what should happen in the horrific part his Church played in the ongoing Child Sexual Abuse scandal. He was utterly scathing, and finished with --- to paraphrase --- "We (the Catholic Church), and especially the dioceses in America, all deserve to be sued for every single cent we have. It is the very _least_ that happen, even though all that money will never, ever, undo the damage done. But having the entire Church sued into literal bankruptcy is the _least_ we deserve ...", which I think went on to say "especially in the light of Christ's own words of Matthew ch18 vv6 ..." ...
@Andrew Arbuckle - I'm record for my appreciation of Martin Sheen, and the roles he chose. And, your comment gives me a chance to salute Karl Malden. Une of the great character actors in cinema history.
that time he wasnt the president, and he wasnt just a priest. as others have said. the priest didnt stand up when the president was on his feet. And the fact that he addressed the president as just a kid from his parrish. the dynamic seems like for that brief time he was his father in a religious way.
Yep, because he seized to be a president meeting with a priest. He was now a simple man professing his sins to Christ. He also can no longer separate himself from the office of president.
Only Aaron Sorkin could close an episode with the Catholic President of the United States giving confession to the music of "Hashkiveinu"--a Jewish Prayer about lying down in peace at night and rising the following day. Absolute on-screen poetry.
Well as a Christian who has known and befriended many Jews and Rabbi's I would simply venture this. "We have a lot more in common than we have different." That goes for many of the religions in the world. Maybe if we all realized that this world might be a better place.
It was more that the "Hashkiveinu" should be a continuous reminder true christanity and jewism have the same roots and like the Scene where Toby Ziegler was in the temple it is the SAME GOD who asks the People to stop killing each other.
@@Richman-iw4tv in the USA folk say "Christian" because there are so many Protestant denominations. We Catholics say "Catholic," or more specifically "Roman Catholic"--to differentiate from the Eastern Rites, which are still united under the Universal Church and the Holy Father, the Pope. Folk say "Christian," but they never say "Anglican," "Baptist," "Presbyterian," "Methodist," "Mormon," or anything else. When I hear "Christian," I think: "They hate Catholics and have no clue what Christ was about."
So much in this scene. Right before this clip Father Tom asks Bartlet if he should call him Jed or Mr President and Bartlet says, "Mr President. It's not vanity, it helps me separate myself from the office." Their discussion touches on the power of the president, to be able to just call the Pope when he needs to, how he represents the People." But, at the end, he addresses Bartlet as "Jed". He is again the "boy from my parish," now a just another man, asking for God's forgiveness. Im not even a believer but this is beautiful writing.
Was just watching a West Wing roundtable on RUclips, and Richard Schiff mentioned that he was there when they shot this, and Karl Malden had a small, rather well-worn bible with him to do the scene, he asked Malden where he got the prop and he said it was the same bible he'd used in "On the Waterfront." Just one of the many reasons I love this show so much.
As brilliant as the President Bartlett character was in TWW, one of the most brilliant aspects of this show is when he is shown to be weak, outsmarted and defeated. Remarkable television.
The idea is that he was human, and this was one of those moments where his humanity came out in force. It was a moment where his duty towards the office and his humanity were at odds, and he sacrificed a part of his ow humanity...to uphold his oath and duty as president.
It's one of the best parts about Jed Bartlett's character. He isn't perfect, he does mistakes, he says and does things he regrets later. Jed Bartlett might be a fictitious character, an ideal of what the writers want a President to be, but at the end of the day even the best men are still just men.
Religion survives because of community and fear of death. There's nothing you or I can do about it, so we may as well relax and accept those who practice it.
tg72211 Depends on what you exactly mean with accepting them. Sure lets not create discriminating laws or something stupid as that. And what people do in the privacy of their homes do not really effect anyone 9/10 times. But i am sure as hell going to call them out when they try and push non nonsensical ideas based on fairy tales for grown ups.
+tg72211 How do you feel about having half the US school system taken over by right-wing religious bigots? Who deny science and try to rewrite history? Because half the textbooks sold to the public schools are now selected and approved by right-wing Christian groups who have taken over the school boards in key states (like Texas). It's easy to say "relax and accept," but that must also mean you are okay with the ideas being pushed on school children who are too young and naive to know they're being fed propaganda. You may not be able to stop religion, but you can do something about religious proselytizers.
No, it doesn't mean that. I didn't say relax and accept fairy tales as textbook substitutes. I said accept the people. They also need to accept us, which means no ten commandments outside the courthouse, and the kids are taught evolution. What I'm talking about is people who can't even watch a TV show, probably the most left-wing show to get a mass following, without whining about how other people think.
A similar quote is spoken by Kahless in TNG "Rightful Heir": "Long ago, a storm was heading toward the city of Quin'lat. The people sought protection within the walls. All except one man who remained outside. I went to him and asked what he was doing. I am not afraid, he said. I will not hide my face behind stone and mortar. I will stand before the wind and make it respect me. I honoured his choice and went inside. The next day, the storm came and the man was killed. The wind does not respect a fool. Do not stand before the wind, Gowron."
@@gspendlove The world of sci-fi gives us so many lessons for situations like this. I've been thinking about the Terminator a great deal since the pandemic hit. "Listen, and understand. That coronavirus is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you are dead."
@@superslash7254 ....unless you wear one. If people weren't wearing them, it wouldn't be 700,000 dead in this country. It would be more like 5,000,000.
It’s not required to kneel while during confession. It can be something as simple as sitting in the chair next to the priest. Martin Sheen made an actor choice to show Reverence and submission and the plea for forgiveness. Absolute brilliant
While it is not required today to kneel during confession, both Sheen & Jed Bartlett are of an age in which kneeling in a confessional was the norm. So, Sheen kneeling was being true to what would have been Jed Bartlett’s actual experience of growing up in the Roman Catholic church.
@@dorothygale1104 i like that! i guess i just showed my millennial-ness ;) i remember as a kid kneeling in the confessional behind the screen but in my adulthood i've done more of the the sit-down face to face. (i find it more intimate and makes me more remorseful)... now i'm gonna end up going down a rabbit hole about pre-Vatican-II traditions! merry Christmas!
@@robertpadillosandiego2821 Just to be clear, I wasn’t trying to diminish your observation, which I hadn’t thought of before I read your comment. Being of an older vintage, I assumed Bartlett/Sheen knelt for confession because that was what they grew up doing. But kneeling out of reverence and submission and out of the custom they grew up with are not mutually exclusive. Whether kneeling was in the script or an actor’s choice, it was powerful that that act represented both takes.
I'm a lot younger than Sheen and I still kneel while confessing. It is to show God that I humble myself before His presence. I could care less what the modern church allows. I still do it and will do it until age or illness prevents me from doing so. As for face to face, I still prefer the traditional confessional with the screen and sliding door or curtain. The priest only serves as the vessel through which we confess to God. Its based on the power Jesus gave to the apostles. "Whos sins you forgive shall be forgiven. Those you retain shall be retained." The anonymity of the confessional for me helps me to feel closer to God and to confess my sins better and to be more remorseful. Remember, we confess to God, not to the priest as the man.
This episode got me permanently hooked on this show. The dialogue and the brilliance of the casting of Karl Malden made me realize how special this show is
*'Parables' tend to obfuscate any true answer and in the instance of a drowned man asking 'Why did you let me die?' he should have asked "Why do You allow the suffering and ailments of all that lives on Earth?"* *"Since I am now dead and cannot reveal anything...TELL ME WHY LIVING CREATURES MUST SUFFER GRIEF AND LOSS AND TORMENT AND THEN DIE AS A 'FINAL REWARD"*
And also ask "why is it a person who lives a good life and helps others but does not believe in you goes to help but a person who led an evil life and harmed others and repents before they die gets into heaven?"
I don't think we will ever see a television show like this again in our lifetimes such beauty, I fall in love with this show more and more with each viewing
@@Millie226 ... and, unfortunately, we are all the lesser for it ... But ratings are ratings, and, unfortunately, the days of cerebral television, which really made you stop, and think about the very possibility of decency, civility, and dignity, especially in poltics, has lost out in favour of 'light entertainment', where --- and this is a massive assumption on my part --- what television executives think their audiences want is mindless entertainment to remove themselves often dreary, nine-to-five, working lives which are, quite likely, making people ill, physically, mentally, and psychologically; so no wonder programs that effectively dulls that pain are so popular ...
@nigelft To be honest Always Sunny is a great satire on the current state of affairs. They act like fools but are only slightly exaggerate our narcissism , arrogance, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc. I'm not saying it's West Wing, but it's a lot smarter than people give it credit for. Behind the laughs, it's cutting.
The subtle shifts in tone and body language at the end of this scene were fantastic. From the entire man by the river story to the incredible line "he sent you a priest a rabbi and a quaker...what do you want from him" he's acting as a wise teacher giving an important lesson. The shift to a more angry tone in the delivery of "do you want me to hear your confession" shows that he is a scolding mentor who is upset with his pupil. Specifically showing him pull out the holy symbols of his station as a priest communicates that in the final moments of the scene he was acting as a different person separated from his personal feelings performing his duty. So much can be communicated through so little
@@VolrinSeth It's a parable. It's not a story to be found in the non-fiction section. It's simply a life lesson that can be taken non-religiously as "Hey, the universe is trying to tell you something. Think about your life choices."
@@jerodast because it depicts god as either capricious or an idiot. An Omniscient (all-knowing), omnipotent (all-powerful) and omnibenevolent (all-good) God would know how to save the Man by the River. He would know how deep the man's blind faith is and would know that the helicopter would not save him. And sends the helicopter anyway. Why? To tease and gaslight the man with a snarky remark when he dies? You think the man would have drowned had god sent the helicopter when the flood waters was up to his head?
What a powerful powerful moment. No words were spoken about the note. You could tell by his very mood, the music, and the way he acted, what happened, proving one again that Sorkin is one of the greatest TV writers ever. This, along with the Brother's in Arms music at the end of "Two Cathedrals", and the airport scene in "In the Shadow of Two Gunmen" are why I love this show so much.
Many of you may not know Karl Malden, who is playing the priest. He was one of America's great actors, most nobably in the film "On the Waterfront" with Marlon Brando in 1954. You should see it and recognize that the integrity and respect of this character was from Malden himself, as was evident in many of his films. The depth of both these actors in this scene reflect their souls in their performance here and in their private lives as well. I wish we had more actors that this was true.
Karl Malden was wonderful in the 1961 movie "Parrish" with Claudette Colbert and Troy Donahue. He played a ruthless tycoon in Connecticut's shade tobacco industry, a character almost impossible to like. Then when Claudette Colbert's refined character accepted his proposal of marriage, you began to see how he was the catalyst for new beginnings in the Connecticut River Valley. "Parrish" was Claudette Colbert's last movie.
@@retroguy9494 Absolutely ... in fact, if one bookends this with his performance in 'On The Waterfront' --- which is apposite, as the Bible he produced in this scene, was the exact same one he had in that film --- one could say it was a fitting end to an incredible career, that, imho, perfectly encapsulated whom Mr. Malden was, not just as an actor, but his humanity, and dignity, as well ... a rare moment of casting choice in which, I, personally, literally cannot think of anyone else playing that rôle ...
This was the final television appearance by Karl Malden prior to his death in 2009. As always, he gave his best performance as his final exit from show business, just as he gave his best in all of his roles. In this scene, I did not see Martin Sheen and Karl Malden; I truly saw an anguished President Bartlett seeking solace from Father Thomas Cavanaugh. Great performances by both of them. RIP Mr Malden, my favourite actor! Another Hollywood legend is now amongst the stars. You are missed dearly, but you are alive on both the silver screen and the small screen.
This one hits me so hard deep in my heart. I have loved both of these actors all of my life. And in this scene they show the power and artistry of their craft. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you very much.
Carl Malden at his best, his swan song... What a powerful scene! HE sent you a priest, a rabi and a quaker... What else do you want from HIM??? Powerful stuff indeed
The darkness surrounding President Bartlets face when he’s handed the note, I don’t know if it was intentional or not but it’s so cinematically poignant. Malden and Sheen knocked this one out of the park.
Went to catholic school as a child. I remember Sister Kane telling us this exact parable. I understood it as a child then, but 20+ years later.. I understand it as a man. I've lived enough life to know, you are only given so many chances in life to do the right thing and stay on the right path. I write this now, tears in my eyes, knowing how lucky I've been in life. Thank you Sister.
One of so, so many brilliantly written and acted scenes in this incredible show. Sorkin at his absolute best. Every time I watch this scene, it hits me hard. What we know to be "right" juxtaposed with what is practically "right" or "one needs to do." Sometimes one has to make decisions that we know, going in, that we'll regret forever. It's, obviously, a more heightened version of what most of us will experience in our lives. But, the premise is familiar to us all.
To this day I'm not sure which scene from season one was more powerful... this, or the finale. It's that good. Also, the song at the end is "Hashkiveinu" by Max Helfman for anyone that's curious.
My two favorite things from the scene is the powerful use of the music and after Bartlet gets the note and the priest whose name I can't remember says instead of "Mr.Preisdent" says "Jed" it A small and discreet way to humble the president and show that no man is above God
RetroGuy76 That's because he wasn't talking to the president of the united states but to one of his parishioners. The presidential office doesn't need absolution but his catholic parishioner did.
A good scene, and good comments too (for a change!) I’d add that Sheen’s change from being Mr President to becoming Jed is subtle and meaningful. Also, the way Father Tom (Carl Maldon) prepares himself to receive Confession reinforces his priestly Office, ready to hear from his humble parishioner Jed. Nicely done.
These kinds of scenes always make me so sad. I used to think it was because the character's in them were going through rough times, and that music... Now that I'm older, I realize the reason these scenes make me sad is because these are points at which humanity fails oh so miserably, and we are being duped to feel bad for the wrong reasons.
This scene hits me in two ways: It is another brilliantly written scene by Sorkin and perfectly acted by Sheen and Malden. On a personal front Karl Malden resembles my late Father-in-Law who used to tell stories exactly the same way Karl does here. He would bend over and look you in the eye and use his finger to emphasize certain points. This episode is one of many that always brings tears to my eyes. One thing that bothered me was Jed saying he wanted to be called "Mr. President" out of respect for the office but he did not return the consideration to the Priest who he should have called "Father" out of the same respect.
Up until the note about the execution came, Bartlet was discussing matters pertaining to his office as President. In that capacity even close friends always call the President by his title -- that's the protocol. But when Malden's character saw that Jed Bartlet the man needed spiritual comfort, he switched to first name.
It was also Jed's way of putting a bit of separation between himself (and personal sense of the guilt) and the decision he was making. When it came to life or death decisions such as this one or military decisions he wanted to think of himself as the President making the decision, not Jed Bartlet.
I understand your replies about the protocol of speaking to the President. My point was that he should have returned the courtesy and referred to the Priest as Father. That is what Catholics do until we are asked by the priest to call him by name.
@@tomsampson8084 I think you make a great point. I’ve always wondered that myself as Jed is always rather formal in the oval, using title and courtesy rather than informality
Anyone else notice how Bartlett doesn't call him "Father" but the Priest calls Bartlett "Mr. President"? Bartlett's character at the outset refuses (defensiveness?) to call his Priest "Father" and demands to call him by his first name ("Tom.") But the Priest refuses to surrender his authority ("You're just a kid from my parish, but now you're calling the Pope.") but also refuses to stoop to Bartlett's level. Until the very end, when he calls him "Jed" but it's not a taunt at that point... And Bartlett then calls him "Father." Amazing. As a clergyman, I have always loved this scene.
Simply one of the best acted scenes in television history. I am not a Catholic, nor am I even Christian, and I BELIEVED these two men on screen. The religious overtones are true to the characters. Toby's Rabbi and the President's Priest brought great wisdom to this debate and yet the decision was right because we live in a democracy. I do not know when the last person who sat in the Oval Office acted like that. My favorite episode of the series.
@@Kathdath Yes, REAGAN! As in 'The Gipper.' As in 'the great communicator.' As in the guy who won the second biggest landslide in history in '84. Only Nixon got more votes in '72.
Perhaps you should try a different Christian denomination. The southern Baptist church was founded as a way to justify slavery. Now it functions to hate other groups. No wonder you turned atheist.
I love this lesson. People always search for a sign when there is either plenty in plain sight or there are none. It is up to us to make the choice. People argue that God is cruel to deny us good actions. If God bailed us out of everything then we would never understand the consequences and we would never have free will because our path would be chosen for us. We have the choice to commit acts of good or bad regardless of his interference. I love Stargate SG1 because they create a literal approach to enlightenment from Buddhism in the form of ascension. You become pure energy with great power on a galactic scale. Only rule is not to interfere in the lower planes. Perhaps God exists and he does not interfere anymore because he learned his lesson. If we chose to kill every bad guy or reverse every bad moment in history then we would never learn of the consequences of our actions. For those who believe or do not, that is the best way to understand the role of God on the basis that he does exist.
Or perhaps the God concept is so far beyond men that they need, desperately, to reduce it and Him to a guy that makes mistakes, rather than accepting that they weren’t there when He created Leviathan … and that He’s always had the right to judge them. Jed understands.
In a rare broadcast TV series that had more than any series' fair share of great or near-great episodes, TTSD has got to rank in the Top Ten, maybe the Top Five, and it's one of the few I consider perfect.
I've been watching this again because the one we have now is... I wish we had someone like him in the oval office now. For those who are still attending churches amid this pandemic; saying "God will protect me, I won't get the virus." pls don't be the man who drowns. God has sent you many warnings & advice. Listen to him.
I keep America in my thoughts, because of who you have in power I am very worried for you. Of all times, this is one where a true leader with compassion and integrity is deeply needed. Stay safe. Love from Italy.
Karl Malden plays the young Catholic priest struggling against the stubbornness of good people refusing to do good in "On The Waterfront". In that film he makes a few mistakes and doesn't always take the most effective rhetorical line. He struggles to remove the wool from the eyes of his flock. Malden essentially reprises his role in this film, but with the wisdom of an extra 46 years, every word now lands a deliberate punch. He hits Bartlett right where he needs to to wake him up, and he does it in one conversation.
I'm not a religious man, though I spent my whole academic life in Catholic schools and have studied the Bible cover to cover as a philosophical text. At best, I'm an agnostic. Mostly because of how inadequately adapted we all seem to be to any one faith. But I deeply appreciate this kind of thoughtfulness in any faith. And it's profoundly sad that our current White House occupant, Trump, surely lacks anything close to this kind of depth, gravity, or intelligence. Yep, Jed was a TV president. I know. But we've had leaders in the White House who were leaders who cared, who considered, who wanted to do more than just win adulation from a throng or power from the elites. Obama was a thoughtful man. Clinton, at some level, despite his scheming side. Reagan may have been too, at least in the earlier years. Carter, absolutely. Nixon could have been, if not for his paranoia. Johnson, yes, despite his crassness. Kennedy, at least to some degree, though imperfectly. Eisenhower definitely. Truman too. Both the Roosevelts, Wilson, Lincoln, Jefferson, and Adams. Trump is a stain on history and a big one. But if we survive him, there could be better leaders ahead.
I can only hope and pray.. yes pray.. that there will be enabled to be leaders ahead.. I'll settle for good.. decent.. doesn't have to be remarkable.. just sympathetic.. natural empathy.. true compassion.. ability to admit when they're wrong and ask forgiveness.. to someone.. anyone who matters to them.
What are you talking about? The episode ended with Jed just about to confess. They didn't actually show it. Its up to us to believe he confessed to allowing a murder to happen.
@@retroguy9494 They shouldn't have shown it. But the form, the lead in, the way the actor playing the priest used the correct prayers, all done well. Confession itself I would hope would never actually be shown.
Powerful scene. A strong lesson taught by many pastors of different faiths using a variety of scenarios. The people who refuse to take the vaccine because they don't believe the science and that God will take care of them, missed the point that it WAS God responsible for the science and the vaccine.
@@christianwestling2019 Uhuh. God also gave the man by the river natural buoyancy but he still drowned. Why are some people so afraid of the idea that God might want people to innovate with the science of the world he created for us, and use it to help each other?
Another testament to The West Wing’s strength was that Jed Bartlett, while a supremely decent character and leader, was also written as having feet of clay. He had a temper, could be arrogant and, as Toby in particular got on him about, could falter on what he knew was right if it was politically unpopular. A lesser show would have made him super-human, but TWW makes a Jed a more complex and relatable character
TWW was so great, in large part, because it had B- and C-stories that were just as compelling as the A-stories. There's a "Virtual Season 8" floating around fanficdom which illustrates just how good this template was; 18 episodes long, some 2- and 3-part stories, and runners that traverse the entire season. I read it once a year or so.
There is great power and sentiment in this particular script. Since the time of Rome, leaders and citizens search for the truth, for the truth shall set you free. However some cannot even believe the truth when it slaps them in their face. Real good script writing here.
Aaron Sorkin is one of the best screenwriters of our time. Here and in The Newsroom starring Jeff Daniels, about a cable news station. His writing is crisp, moving, inspiring and often rapid-fire. But he aims to demonstrate the humanity that distinguishes us and the times when we can rise above expediency and pragmatism. We need that more than ever.
Malden was 88 years old here. His last acting performance on screen. Looked great, and acting was great as always.
He was perfect in this role. In his typical style, he was loving, but firm and exact. Sorkin's choice of Malden as the priest for this particular episode, given its gravity was brilliant.
What an amazingly powerful last acting scene for him😊
@@billboyle5456
I can't believe Mr. Malden was 88 here ... early 70s, maybe, but not late 80s. In many ways, looking back, he reminded me of a maternal Great Aunt whom U met, sadly, the one and only time when she turned 100. I swear, to this day, she acted like a lady in her mid-late 70s, but no more. A sparkling, dry, whit, and clearly had all her marbles. Although I was in my 30s, she made feel like a comparative teenager, such was the vast extent of her memories. Only at 103 did she develop dementia, and passed away at an remarkable 106. If only Mr. Malden lived as long ...
... and this scence was an apt bookend to a remarkable career, using the same Bible he had in 'On The Waterfront' ... the kindly, humble, compassionate priest, but with a rock-like interior that brooked no excuses. Although I'm by no means Catholic, he reminds me not just of Pope Francis, but a Bishop, whom, despite overseeing one of the largest diocese in America, was blunt about what should happen in the horrific part his Church played in the ongoing Child Sexual Abuse scandal. He was utterly scathing, and finished with --- to paraphrase --- "We (the Catholic Church), and especially the dioceses in America, all deserve to be sued for every single cent we have. It is the very _least_ that happen, even though all that money will never, ever, undo the damage done. But having the entire Church sued into literal bankruptcy is the _least_ we deserve ...", which I think went on to say "especially in the light of Christ's own words of Matthew ch18 vv6 ..." ...
My favorite West Wing scene.
Thanks for that info.
"Jed, would you like me to hear your confession" - "yes, please". I wish they still made TV like this. Absolute brilliance by both actors.
Very elegant way to let President Bartlett that he is responsible. He is not off the hook - he had a job in the church's eyes, and he failed.
"Bless me father . . .for I have sinned . . . " (that's the most important part)
And in front of the Oval Office desk. The most powerful man in the world brought to his knees to beg for forgiveness.
@Andrew Arbuckle - I'm record for my appreciation of Martin Sheen, and the roles he chose. And, your comment gives me a chance to salute Karl Malden. Une of the great character actors in cinema history.
Two of the best.
The Switch from "Mr. President, not to mention his son..." to "Jed, would you like me to hear your confession" will get me every single time.
that time he wasnt the president, and he wasnt just a priest.
as others have said. the priest didnt stand up when the president was on his feet. And the fact that he addressed the president as just a kid from his parrish. the dynamic seems like for that brief time he was his father in a religious way.
talking to the man, not the office
This is one of the very few times Bartlett stands and someone else remains seated, such a powerful scene.
didnt catch that. thank you
Yep, because he seized to be a president meeting with a priest. He was now a simple man professing his sins to Christ. He also can no longer separate himself from the office of president.
Only Aaron Sorkin could close an episode with the Catholic President of the United States giving confession to the music of "Hashkiveinu"--a Jewish Prayer about lying down in peace at night and rising the following day. Absolute on-screen poetry.
Well as a Christian who has known and befriended many Jews and Rabbi's I would simply venture this. "We have a lot more in common than we have different." That goes for many of the religions in the world. Maybe if we all realized that this world might be a better place.
It was more that the "Hashkiveinu" should be a continuous reminder true christanity and jewism have the same roots and like the Scene where Toby Ziegler was in the temple it is the SAME GOD who asks the People to stop killing each other.
That comment. How many persons noticed that? BRAVO!!! REALLY, MATE.
B.R.A.V.O.
@@Richman-iw4tv in the USA folk say "Christian" because there are so many Protestant denominations.
We Catholics say "Catholic," or more specifically "Roman Catholic"--to differentiate from the Eastern Rites, which are still united under the Universal Church and the Holy Father, the Pope.
Folk say "Christian," but they never say "Anglican," "Baptist," "Presbyterian," "Methodist," "Mormon," or anything else.
When I hear "Christian," I think: "They hate Catholics and have no clue what Christ was about."
The music was always so familiar but I never put that together, thank you! Magnificent writing.
So much in this scene. Right before this clip Father Tom asks Bartlet if he should call him Jed or Mr President and Bartlet says, "Mr President. It's not vanity, it helps me separate myself from the office."
Their discussion touches on the power of the president, to be able to just call the Pope when he needs to, how he represents the People."
But, at the end, he addresses Bartlet as "Jed". He is again the "boy from my parish," now a just another man, asking for God's forgiveness.
Im not even a believer but this is beautiful writing.
The pope is not a believer either.
@@GaryM67-71 Uhm, he really is...
@@BOLANAREDE321 He serves Satan. Chief liar and deceiver. He has less than 12 years. So do you.
@@GaryM67-71 Merry Christmas & Happy New Year!
@@dorothygale1104 Christmas is pagan, new year is in the Spring under God's calendar.
"He sent you a priest, a rabbi, and a quaker... NOT to mention his son Jesus Christ. What you want from him?"
I only just noticed that he knew that he'd talked to Joey and that she was a Quaker. How did he know that?
@@kevinedie4119 TWW had some serious continuity lapses, the Priest knowing about the Quaker is one of them, that being said it is a great show.
@@kevinedie4119 Guy had been sitting in a waiting room for a few hours, he would have heard every bit of gossip around.
Was just watching a West Wing roundtable on RUclips, and Richard Schiff mentioned that he was there when they shot this, and Karl Malden had a small, rather well-worn bible with him to do the scene, he asked Malden where he got the prop and he said it was the same bible he'd used in "On the Waterfront."
Just one of the many reasons I love this show so much.
Wow, that's interesting trivia. "On the Waterfront" is one of my favorite movies of all time. I'm also impressed they got Karl Malden on this TV show.
@@bixfrisbee2623 Great actors are drawn to roles with great writing!
As brilliant as the President Bartlett character was in TWW, one of the most brilliant aspects of this show is when he is shown to be weak, outsmarted and defeated. Remarkable television.
The idea is that he was human, and this was one of those moments where his humanity came out in force.
It was a moment where his duty towards the office and his humanity were at odds, and he sacrificed a part of his ow humanity...to uphold his oath and duty as president.
It is a nice reminder that even the wisest men make mistakes. Nobody should be held above all others.
It's one of the best parts about Jed Bartlett's character. He isn't perfect, he does mistakes, he says and does things he regrets later. Jed Bartlett might be a fictitious character, an ideal of what the writers want a President to be, but at the end of the day even the best men are still just men.
Can we forget the religious debating for a few minutes and just appreciate the brilliance of this scene.
Nope. That is how religion survives. When we just ignore its illogical practice because x reason.
Religion survives because of community and fear of death. There's nothing you or I can do about it, so we may as well relax and accept those who practice it.
tg72211 Depends on what you exactly mean with accepting them. Sure lets not create discriminating laws or something stupid as that. And what people do in the privacy of their homes do not really effect anyone 9/10 times. But i am sure as hell going to call them out when they try and push non nonsensical ideas based on fairy tales for grown ups.
+tg72211
How do you feel about having half the US school system taken over by right-wing religious bigots? Who deny science and try to rewrite history? Because half the textbooks sold to the public schools are now selected and approved by right-wing Christian groups who have taken over the school boards in key states (like Texas).
It's easy to say "relax and accept," but that must also mean you are okay with the ideas being pushed on school children who are too young and naive to know they're being fed propaganda.
You may not be able to stop religion, but you can do something about religious proselytizers.
No, it doesn't mean that. I didn't say relax and accept fairy tales as textbook substitutes. I said accept the people. They also need to accept us, which means no ten commandments outside the courthouse, and the kids are taught evolution. What I'm talking about is people who can't even watch a TV show, probably the most left-wing show to get a mass following, without whining about how other people think.
One of the greatest scenes in the history of television.
Karl Malden's last credited acting role.
No other kind of television has ever been able to flood my eyes more than this series.
@FlintF - And the series gave both tears of sadness, and tears of joy & laughter.
When people call The West Wing the greatest show in the history of television, this scene is a big reason why
There were so many great scenes in this show. It was the greatest ever.
This was one of the most powerful episodes of the series.
man from ohio west wing
One of only 3 people who called him dead in the oval office
Jed
iandhr1 Which episode is it?
Rob Schmidt who else?
A similar quote is spoken by Kahless in TNG "Rightful Heir": "Long ago, a storm was heading toward the city of Quin'lat. The people sought protection within the walls. All except one man who remained outside. I went to him and asked what he was doing. I am not afraid, he said. I will not hide my face behind stone and mortar. I will stand before the wind and make it respect me. I honoured his choice and went inside. The next day, the storm came and the man was killed. The wind does not respect a fool. Do not stand before the wind, Gowron."
I'm going to steal that for the anti-mask people.
@@gspendlove The world of sci-fi gives us so many lessons for situations like this. I've been thinking about the Terminator a great deal since the pandemic hit.
"Listen, and understand. That coronavirus is out there. It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop. Ever. Until you are dead."
@@gspendlove And now after two full years we have indisputable evidence that masks did not work.
@@superslash7254 ....unless you wear one. If people weren't wearing them, it wouldn't be 700,000 dead in this country. It would be more like 5,000,000.
"What was his name?"- Gowron
It’s not required to kneel while during confession. It can be something as simple as sitting in the chair next to the priest. Martin Sheen made an actor choice to show Reverence and submission and the plea for forgiveness. Absolute brilliant
While it is not required today to kneel during confession, both Sheen & Jed Bartlett are of an age in which kneeling in a confessional was the norm. So, Sheen kneeling was being true to what would have been Jed Bartlett’s actual experience of growing up in the Roman Catholic church.
@@dorothygale1104 i like that! i guess i just showed my millennial-ness ;) i remember as a kid kneeling in the confessional behind the screen but in my adulthood i've done more of the the sit-down face to face. (i find it more intimate and makes me more remorseful)... now i'm gonna end up going down a rabbit hole about pre-Vatican-II traditions! merry Christmas!
@@robertpadillosandiego2821 Just to be clear, I wasn’t trying to diminish your observation, which I hadn’t thought of before I read your comment. Being of an older vintage, I assumed Bartlett/Sheen knelt for confession because that was what they grew up doing. But kneeling out of reverence and submission and out of the custom they grew up with are not mutually exclusive. Whether kneeling was in the script or an actor’s choice, it was powerful that that act represented both takes.
I'm a lot younger than Sheen and I still kneel while confessing. It is to show God that I humble myself before His presence. I could care less what the modern church allows. I still do it and will do it until age or illness prevents me from doing so. As for face to face, I still prefer the traditional confessional with the screen and sliding door or curtain. The priest only serves as the vessel through which we confess to God. Its based on the power Jesus gave to the apostles. "Whos sins you forgive shall be forgiven. Those you retain shall be retained." The anonymity of the confessional for me helps me to feel closer to God and to confess my sins better and to be more remorseful. Remember, we confess to God, not to the priest as the man.
@@dorothygale1104 I love a RUclips response where someone is able to respond in a rational and articulate manner to make their point.
This episode got me permanently hooked on this show. The dialogue and the brilliance of the casting of Karl Malden made me realize how special this show is
Even if you’re not religious, you’ve got to admit that’s a damn good parable.
*'Parables' tend to obfuscate any true answer and in the instance of a drowned man asking 'Why did you let me die?' he should have asked "Why do You allow the suffering and ailments of all that lives on Earth?"*
*"Since I am now dead and cannot reveal anything...TELL ME WHY LIVING CREATURES MUST SUFFER GRIEF AND LOSS AND TORMENT AND THEN DIE AS A 'FINAL REWARD"*
And also ask "why is it a person who lives a good life and helps others but does not believe in you goes to help but a person who led an evil life and harmed others and repents before they die gets into heaven?"
We do, but it's not exactly directed at us, is it.
Because I'm not religious I would never be in the self-limiting position of the man by the river. Religion poisons everything.
"I was just planning to destroy your home with that flood. And for some reason my plans aren't infallible."
I don't think we will ever see a television show like this again in our lifetimes such beauty, I fall in love with this show more and more with each viewing
No we won’t, they have all been replaced with The Kartrashians, Love and Hip Hop, and the Fake Housewives!
@@Millie226
... and, unfortunately, we are all the lesser for it ...
But ratings are ratings, and, unfortunately, the days of cerebral television, which really made you stop, and think about the very possibility of decency, civility, and dignity, especially in poltics, has lost out in favour of 'light entertainment', where --- and this is a massive assumption on my part --- what television executives think their audiences want is mindless entertainment to remove themselves often dreary, nine-to-five, working lives which are, quite likely, making people ill, physically, mentally, and psychologically; so no wonder programs that effectively dulls that pain are so popular ...
@nigelft To be honest Always Sunny is a great satire on the current state of affairs. They act like fools but are only slightly exaggerate our narcissism , arrogance, racism, xenophobia, homophobia, etc.
I'm not saying it's West Wing, but it's a lot smarter than people give it credit for. Behind the laughs, it's cutting.
The subtle shifts in tone and body language at the end of this scene were fantastic. From the entire man by the river story to the incredible line "he sent you a priest a rabbi and a quaker...what do you want from him" he's acting as a wise teacher giving an important lesson. The shift to a more angry tone in the delivery of "do you want me to hear your confession" shows that he is a scolding mentor who is upset with his pupil. Specifically showing him pull out the holy symbols of his station as a priest communicates that in the final moments of the scene he was acting as a different person separated from his personal feelings performing his duty. So much can be communicated through so little
At 1:29 Malden responds to the comment by Bartlett with the smallest of facial gesture. So skillful.
"What the hell are you doing here?" is a master study in delivering an emotional wallop with a single line.
The version of the story that I know has God saying, "I sent you a radio report, a man in a rowboat, and a helicopter. What more do you want?"
It's a silly apocryphal story that falls apart the moment you consider it rationally.
@@VolrinSeth It's a parable. It's not a story to be found in the non-fiction section. It's simply a life lesson that can be taken non-religiously as "Hey, the universe is trying to tell you something. Think about your life choices."
@@VolrinSeth Apart from the fact that it is of course a parable that isn't meant to be a literal report of actual events, how does it fall apart?
@@jerodast because it depicts god as either capricious or an idiot.
An Omniscient (all-knowing), omnipotent (all-powerful) and omnibenevolent (all-good) God would know how to save the Man by the River. He would know how deep the man's blind faith is and would know that the helicopter would not save him. And sends the helicopter anyway. Why?
To tease and gaslight the man with a snarky remark when he dies?
You think the man would have drowned had god sent the helicopter when the flood waters was up to his head?
What a powerful powerful moment. No words were spoken about the note. You could tell by his very mood, the music, and the way he acted, what happened, proving one again that Sorkin is one of the greatest TV writers ever. This, along with the Brother's in Arms music at the end of "Two Cathedrals", and the airport scene in "In the Shadow of Two Gunmen" are why I love this show so much.
One of the few programs that really made me sit and think about the subjects in each episode. So powerful.
Over the history of this television series, there were so many incredible scenes. This was one.
The finest final performance from a GREAT HOLLYWOOD LEGEND, KARL MALDEN! REST IN PEACE!
Possibly my favorite 5 minutes of network television right there. First rate acting, excellent direction, powerful dialog.
Many of you may not know Karl Malden, who is playing the priest. He was one of America's great actors, most nobably in the film "On the Waterfront" with Marlon Brando in 1954. You should see it and recognize that the integrity and respect of this character was from Malden himself, as was evident in many of his films. The depth of both these actors in this scene reflect their souls in their performance here and in their private lives as well. I wish we had more actors that this was true.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Malden
We don't seem to have as many actors of his caliber around these days. Plus movies have changed too
Karl Malden was wonderful in the 1961 movie "Parrish" with Claudette Colbert and Troy Donahue. He played a ruthless tycoon in Connecticut's shade tobacco industry, a character almost impossible to like. Then when Claudette Colbert's refined character accepted his proposal of marriage, you began to see how he was the catalyst for new beginnings in the Connecticut River Valley. "Parrish" was Claudette Colbert's last movie.
His last appearance.
And because of him... I still use American Express Traveler's Cheques and never leave home without them... even though they're not issued anymore!!!
First time I saw this I thought "I once heard Ronnie Corbett tell this as a joke". Strange how context can really change the tone of a story
Thats the hallmark of really good stories, one can tell them in many ways
This scene is so powerful... Wish they still made TV like this.
Audrey Tucker Aaron Sorkin does.
+eliptical02 The many who gave up on the Newsroom very quickly would disagree :P
+antourte1 yea i wish that they kept going with the Newsroom, but even that doesn't compare to the West Wing imo
If this was Karl Malden's farewell performance, it was pretty damn good.
Outstanding if you ask me. In his style, a mix of love with firmness, he made the perfect priest for such an issue.
@@retroguy9494
Absolutely ... in fact, if one bookends this with his performance in 'On The Waterfront' --- which is apposite, as the Bible he produced in this scene, was the exact same one he had in that film --- one could say it was a fitting end to an incredible career, that, imho, perfectly encapsulated whom Mr. Malden was, not just as an actor, but his humanity, and dignity, as well ... a rare moment of casting choice in which, I, personally, literally cannot think of anyone else playing that rôle ...
@@nigelft Yes indeed. I wholeheartedly agree! ✔
This scene and the music building alongside, is timeless.
This was the final television appearance by Karl Malden prior to his death in 2009. As always, he gave his best performance as his final exit from show business, just as he gave his best in all of his roles. In this scene, I did not see Martin Sheen and Karl Malden; I truly saw an anguished President Bartlett seeking solace from Father Thomas Cavanaugh. Great performances by both of them. RIP Mr Malden, my favourite actor! Another Hollywood legend is now amongst the stars. You are missed dearly, but you are alive on both the silver screen and the small screen.
This one hits me so hard deep in my heart. I have loved both of these actors all of my life. And in this scene they show the power and artistry of their craft. Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you very much.
Two brilliant actors plying their craft is a wonder to behold.
Two superb actors in an equally superb scene.
Carl Malden at his best, his swan song... What a powerful scene! HE sent you a priest, a rabi and a quaker... What else do you want from HIM??? Powerful stuff indeed
Karl with a K...lol...I believe this was his last appearance as an actor...RIP!!!
The darkness surrounding President Bartlets face when he’s handed the note, I don’t know if it was intentional or not but it’s so cinematically poignant. Malden and Sheen knocked this one out of the park.
It's Sorkin. Nothing is a coincidence.
Lighting and shadows are the other two characters in The West Wing.
The lighting has always been brilliant, it was on purpose.
Went to catholic school as a child. I remember Sister Kane telling us this exact parable. I understood it as a child then, but 20+ years later.. I understand it as a man. I've lived enough life to know, you are only given so many chances in life to do the right thing and stay on the right path. I write this now, tears in my eyes, knowing how lucky I've been in life. Thank you Sister.
"" you are only given so many chances in life"" --- wow, indeed. Something to always keep in mind
It does not get better than this.
One of my favourite series, episodes, and stories. Wish I had the time to tell that little parable to some religious friends of mine.
One of so, so many brilliantly written and acted scenes in this incredible show. Sorkin at his absolute best. Every time I watch this scene, it hits me hard. What we know to be "right" juxtaposed with what is practically "right" or "one needs to do." Sometimes one has to make decisions that we know, going in, that we'll regret forever. It's, obviously, a more heightened version of what most of us will experience in our lives. But, the premise is familiar to us all.
Just making me cry because of the sheer brilliance of this scene!
"Bless me father for I have sinned . . . ." probably the most powerful words spoken
To this day I'm not sure which scene from season one was more powerful... this, or the finale. It's that good. Also, the song at the end is "Hashkiveinu" by Max Helfman for anyone that's curious.
Sidenote: The prayer book that Karl Malden is using in this scene is the same that he used as Father Barry in "On the Waterfront."
Wow, nice catch!
Did not know the priest was played by Karl Malden.
Yes, I referenced that film above. I have admired Malden throughout his career, especially for his role in "On The Waterfront".
@@donalde.kingjr.3545 he is truly underrated
@M.C. Squared - Weirdly, I recognized Karl Malden's voice, but not his face. And, On The Waterfront is 1 of the top 25 movies of all time.
My two favorite things from the scene is the powerful use of the music and after Bartlet gets the note and the priest whose name I can't remember says instead of "Mr.Preisdent" says "Jed" it A small and discreet way to humble the president and show that no man is above God
Agreed completely. "Mr President" is titular - the role.
Mr President doesn't need confession. But Jed Bartlet does. Powerfully done.
The priest is played by the actor, Carl Malden. A terrific actor from years ago. Check him out in the Johnny Piersol story.
RetroGuy76 That's because he wasn't talking to the president of the united states but to one of his parishioners. The presidential office doesn't need absolution but his catholic parishioner did.
A good scene, and good comments too (for a change!) I’d add that Sheen’s change from being Mr President to becoming Jed is subtle and meaningful. Also, the way Father Tom (Carl Maldon) prepares himself to receive Confession reinforces his priestly Office, ready to hear from his humble parishioner Jed. Nicely done.
He knows Jed and Abby before Jed's political career. So he asked if he can call Jed, Jed or Mr. President because of that.
I find myself coming back to this video every time I feel defeated. Beautiful scene.
We have chosen a man very, ... very far from Jed Bartlett. We need more than Karl Malden hearing our confession.
Frankly neither party has offered a man remotely close to Jed Bartlett in a very, very long time.
We need a Jed Bartlett
I voted for Ron Paul ... twice!
I am not a religious man but this was so powerful
Never gets old. Simply best TV series ever
I absolutely agree.
These kinds of scenes always make me so sad. I used to think it was because the character's in them were going through rough times, and that music... Now that I'm older, I realize the reason these scenes make me sad is because these are points at which humanity fails oh so miserably, and we are being duped to feel bad for the wrong reasons.
Karl Malden. One of the most under appreciated actors of the 20th Century.
One of my all time favorite scenes.
Karl Malden as the priest. awesome cast selection. So much art to read out of this scene.
This scene hits me in two ways: It is another brilliantly written scene by Sorkin and perfectly acted by Sheen and Malden. On a personal front Karl Malden resembles my late Father-in-Law who used to tell stories exactly the same way Karl does here. He would bend over and look you in the eye and use his finger to emphasize certain points. This episode is one of many that always brings tears to my eyes.
One thing that bothered me was Jed saying he wanted to be called "Mr. President" out of respect for the office but he did not return the consideration to the Priest who he should have called "Father" out of the same respect.
Up until the note about the execution came, Bartlet was discussing matters pertaining to his office as President. In that capacity even close friends always call the President by his title -- that's the protocol. But when Malden's character saw that Jed Bartlet the man needed spiritual comfort, he switched to first name.
It was also Jed's way of putting a bit of separation between himself (and personal sense of the guilt) and the decision he was making. When it came to life or death decisions such as this one or military decisions he wanted to think of himself as the President making the decision, not Jed Bartlet.
I understand your replies about the protocol of speaking to the President. My point was that he should have returned the courtesy and referred to the Priest as Father. That is what Catholics do until we are asked by the priest to call him by name.
@@tomsampson8084 I think you make a great point. I’ve always wondered that myself as Jed is always rather formal in the oval, using title and courtesy rather than informality
Malden is wonderful in his last role.
The best telling of that modern parable I know.
Anyone else notice how Bartlett doesn't call him "Father" but the Priest calls Bartlett "Mr. President"? Bartlett's character at the outset refuses (defensiveness?) to call his Priest "Father" and demands to call him by his first name ("Tom.") But the Priest refuses to surrender his authority ("You're just a kid from my parish, but now you're calling the Pope.") but also refuses to stoop to Bartlett's level. Until the very end, when he calls him "Jed" but it's not a taunt at that point... And Bartlett then calls him "Father."
Amazing. As a clergyman, I have always loved this scene.
Simply one of the best acted scenes in television history. I am not a Catholic, nor am I even Christian, and I BELIEVED these two men on screen. The religious overtones are true to the characters. Toby's Rabbi and the President's Priest brought great wisdom to this debate and yet the decision was right because we live in a democracy. I do not know when the last person who sat in the Oval Office acted like that. My favorite episode of the series.
The last person in the oval office to act like that? Ronald Reagan.
@@retroguy9494 Reagan?
@@Kathdath Yes, REAGAN! As in
'The Gipper.' As in 'the great communicator.' As in the guy who won the second biggest landslide in history in '84. Only Nixon got more votes in '72.
The dialogue of this show is exquisite--smart, meaningful, engaging.
First time I ever saw this I was a southern baptist. Now I'm atheist. I get the same chills now I got then. West Wing was and is riveting television.
Perhaps you should try a different Christian denomination. The southern Baptist church was founded as a way to justify slavery. Now it functions to hate other groups. No wonder you turned atheist.
Leave the World Behind brought me here, one of the few good things in the movie.
when Haskiveinu begins...oh my 😥 and the agony in that simple "yes please" 😔
I love this lesson. People always search for a sign when there is either plenty in plain sight or there are none. It is up to us to make the choice. People argue that God is cruel to deny us good actions. If God bailed us out of everything then we would never understand the consequences and we would never have free will because our path would be chosen for us. We have the choice to commit acts of good or bad regardless of his interference. I love Stargate SG1 because they create a literal approach to enlightenment from Buddhism in the form of ascension. You become pure energy with great power on a galactic scale. Only rule is not to interfere in the lower planes. Perhaps God exists and he does not interfere anymore because he learned his lesson. If we chose to kill every bad guy or reverse every bad moment in history then we would never learn of the consequences of our actions. For those who believe or do not, that is the best way to understand the role of God on the basis that he does exist.
Or perhaps the God concept is so far beyond men that they need, desperately, to reduce it and Him to a guy that makes mistakes, rather than accepting that they weren’t there when He created Leviathan … and that He’s always had the right to judge them. Jed understands.
I love this show so much
Quite possibly my favorite scene from the whole series....
That little bible Mr. Malden takes out and the end is the same one that he used in ON THE WATERFRONT.
Nice touch. And thanks for mentioning his name because now I don't have to look it up.
Great touch with the music at the end.
Beautiful scene that still brings emotions now
What a powerful scene. I’ve never watched The West Wing (before my tv time), but I just might find a platform to watch it
please watch!
Jordan W.H. well I do have more than enough time to do so
It just moved from Netflix to HBOMax where you can stream the whole series.
You absolutely should. It is the best tv show ever.
In a rare broadcast TV series that had more than any series' fair share of great or near-great episodes, TTSD has got to rank in the Top Ten, maybe the Top Five, and it's one of the few I consider perfect.
Amazing. Now I have to see On the Waterfront once more…
I've been watching this again because the one we have now is...
I wish we had someone like him in the oval office now.
For those who are still attending churches amid this pandemic; saying "God will protect me, I won't get the virus." pls don't be the man who drowns. God has sent you many warnings & advice. Listen to him.
I keep America in my thoughts, because of who you have in power I am very worried for you. Of all times, this is one where a true leader with compassion and integrity is deeply needed. Stay safe. Love from Italy.
@@lindaliriel the one we have now is better than the covert narcissist who previously held the office.
@@richcook2007 I pity you, you poor delusional creature.
@@richcook2007 This comment hasn't aged so well a week later, has it?
@@mc76 oh I think its aged extremely well.
Karl Malden ROCKED this episode!
I still remember his endorsement of American Express Traveler's Checks. "What will you do, WHAT WILL YOU DO?"
Malden was a truly great actor-they were lucky to get him for this episode-and-supported by good writing he made the episode great
Karl Malden plays the young Catholic priest struggling against the stubbornness of good people refusing to do good in "On The Waterfront". In that film he makes a few mistakes and doesn't always take the most effective rhetorical line. He struggles to remove the wool from the eyes of his flock. Malden essentially reprises his role in this film, but with the wisdom of an extra 46 years, every word now lands a deliberate punch. He hits Bartlett right where he needs to to wake him up, and he does it in one conversation.
Goosebumps! A president of the United States admitting he’s sinned! This is powerful in many a ways.
You do understand this is fiction, right?
That's okay; we've got a fictional character in the White House right now.
The acting in this scene is just amazing. Sad no shows like this anylonger.
This is the best in writing, showing the eternal conflicts.
I'm not a religious man, though I spent my whole academic life in Catholic schools and have studied the Bible cover to cover as a philosophical text. At best, I'm an agnostic. Mostly because of how inadequately adapted we all seem to be to any one faith. But I deeply appreciate this kind of thoughtfulness in any faith. And it's profoundly sad that our current White House occupant, Trump, surely lacks anything close to this kind of depth, gravity, or intelligence. Yep, Jed was a TV president. I know. But we've had leaders in the White House who were leaders who cared, who considered, who wanted to do more than just win adulation from a throng or power from the elites. Obama was a thoughtful man. Clinton, at some level, despite his scheming side. Reagan may have been too, at least in the earlier years. Carter, absolutely. Nixon could have been, if not for his paranoia. Johnson, yes, despite his crassness. Kennedy, at least to some degree, though imperfectly. Eisenhower definitely. Truman too. Both the Roosevelts, Wilson, Lincoln, Jefferson, and Adams. Trump is a stain on history and a big one. But if we survive him, there could be better leaders ahead.
I can only hope and pray.. yes pray.. that there will be enabled to be leaders ahead.. I'll settle for good.. decent.. doesn't have to be remarkable.. just sympathetic.. natural empathy.. true compassion.. ability to admit when they're wrong and ask forgiveness.. to someone.. anyone who matters to them.
Thank you sir. I stand with you and respect you.
Beautifully stated!
At this point that's beginning to feel like a big "if"...
In a forum usually full of toxicity and immaturity, this is one of the best RUclips comments I've ever read.
This was a beautiful scene
*'Religion' and 'Patriotism'...the two greatest refuges for scoundrels and hucksters*
Credit that they showed the sacrament of reconciliation properly.
What are you talking about? The episode ended with Jed just about to confess. They didn't actually show it. Its up to us to believe he confessed to allowing a murder to happen.
@@retroguy9494 They shouldn't have shown it. But the form, the lead in, the way the actor playing the priest used the correct prayers, all done well.
Confession itself I would hope would never actually be shown.
@@BOLANAREDE321 Well, yes, that I agree with. The only issue I have is Jed going down on one knee. When permissible, I always get down on BOTH knees.
@@retroguy9494 I usually sit.
Powerful scene. A strong lesson taught by many pastors of different faiths using a variety of scenarios. The people who refuse to take the vaccine because they don't believe the science and that God will take care of them, missed the point that it WAS God responsible for the science and the vaccine.
@Phelan Not to mention that, to the faithful, god is also responsible for the virus.
As per 2021 usual, there's always the vaxx fundamentalist.
God gave me natural antibodies after having, thanks but I'll pass on the experimental drug.
@Phelan Why? Google natural antibodies one gets after having covid. Much stronger than vaccines that need constant booster shots.
Brilliant reply. So very true.
@@christianwestling2019 Uhuh. God also gave the man by the river natural buoyancy but he still drowned. Why are some people so afraid of the idea that God might want people to innovate with the science of the world he created for us, and use it to help each other?
Remember people. Don't wait on a miracle. Be the change you desire now.
Leave the World Behind brought me here
I am also here for this reason
Another testament to The West Wing’s strength was that Jed Bartlett, while a supremely decent character and leader, was also written as having feet of clay. He had a temper, could be arrogant and, as Toby in particular got on him about, could falter on what he knew was right if it was politically unpopular. A lesser show would have made him super-human, but TWW makes a Jed a more complex and relatable character
That was an amazing scene.
I love the way he calls him Jed at the end there. It's Mr. President up to that point. The show had so many good touches like that.
I respect that he told truth to power.
This is one of the most complex scenes in television with so many demands and loyalties.
Great performance by Karl Malden
TWW was so great, in large part, because it had B- and C-stories that were just as compelling as the A-stories.
There's a "Virtual Season 8" floating around fanficdom which illustrates just how good this template was; 18 episodes long, some 2- and 3-part stories, and runners that traverse the entire season.
I read it once a year or so.
A true testament that Earthly power kneels at the feet of Heavenly power.
Just heavenly power never does something.
We can kneel or we can despise, never comes the heaven down, for good, or demise
The incredible Carl Malden... Genius!
I found this scene absolutely riveting and moving.
One of the best scenes in TV history
Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds the blood of man by man shall his blood be shed"
Quoting fiction i see. Lol what a joke
What an amazing show - haven't watched it in decades.... hey moral leadership,.... Whaddya know??
Streets Of San Fran was one of the best damned cop shows of all time.
There is great power and sentiment in this particular script. Since the time of Rome, leaders and citizens search for the truth, for the truth shall set you free. However some cannot even believe the truth when it slaps them in their face. Real good script writing here.
Aaron Sorkin is one of the best screenwriters of our time. Here and in The Newsroom starring Jeff Daniels, about a cable news station. His writing is crisp, moving, inspiring and often rapid-fire. But he aims to demonstrate the humanity that distinguishes us and the times when we can rise above expediency and pragmatism. We need that more than ever.
This scene gives me chills.