Why a Wing Board and a Kite is Awesome for the Lightest Winds
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- Опубликовано: 22 авг 2024
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One thing to add...this is terrific for sketchy land-locked lakes with "zero to hero" wind. Why? Because no matter what, either a random rotor or mega-lull brings my Peak4 kite down, and then it is difficult (at least for me) to gather it and sort it out and relaunch it from the deep water when using a normal kiteboarding hydrofoil board (since the board won't float me and dealing with an 11m kite and its bridals when floating alongside it is a mess ). Using a nice big wingboarding board allows one to just sit on the board, gather up the kite and either paddle to shore or re-set the kite and re-launch it. GAME CHANGER. And Mr, Tucker is dead-on; he mentions how with a normal kiteboarding hydrofoil board you need the kite to give you a huge burst of power to roll up onto the board (especially when you weigh 220lb like me!)....using a wingboarding board eliminates the water-start phase and high-power from the kite requirement, so HELLO LIGHTWIND DAYS !
What volume board and front wing do you use? I am also a 220 dude and thinking to buy wing foil for light wind days. Thanks.
I use the Fanatic Sky Air , can't remember the exact size but I think mine is the 5'8" model, which is 120L. It is MORE than enough volume, zero sinking. @@mindaugastrumpaitis6330
I can’t concur more! Been doing this for years! Easy to stay nearly totally dry often as well. I recommend the peak 4 kites. Can’t wait for your next video - winging on your kite foil board!
Thanks for the recommendation, Joe-I'll definitely have a go with a Peak next time. 🤙🏽 Good winds to you, my friend. -Aaron
I used to think that using a large wingsurfing foil on my kitefoiling board would dramatically push my low wind boundaries but your approach of using a regualer kitesurfing foil an larger board sounds even more logical. Thanks for the idea, I'll make sure to try it out :)
Hey there! 🤙🏽 Glad to hear that you're interested in trying out this approach. It's always fun to experiment and see what works best for you. Good winds, my friend. -Aaron
I think my favorite part is learning some new kite nomenclature like “flup it up and “jelly fishies”😂! Mixing it up is a cool idea. I’ve just begun to attempt kite foiling on a Liquid Force POD with a 1250 foil and got a 2021 Cabrinha 9m 1 strut Contra which is fun to fly in a light breeze. I pray for decent winds here in Tampa, its just been abysmal. I keep jumping on my 17m kite. Send wind!
Ha! 🤙🏽 Yeah, Tucker's shred vocabulary can be quite entertaining indeed. Kitefoiling is definitely a skill in itself, and quite the session saver once you get the hang of it. I totally understand the feeling when there’s not enough wind to fly-it can be super frustrating. Good winds to you, my friend. -Aaron
So stoked to try this, was already loving my Peak4s with my kite setup before I started winging. Would have thought the big foil / small board was the way to go, but now I see the logic in the big board / small foil.
That's awesome that you've been having such good results with your Peak4s. 🤙🏽 We're excited to hear what you think of the big board and small foil setup. Good winds to you, Allen. -Aaron
Thanks for the video! I kite with TT boards and was looking into wing foil crossover. Never seen anyone try it, so thanks for the proof ;)
You are so welcome!
Great video been thinking about this for a while. Used to kite 10 years ago and wing now. Have held back because I find kite gear so dam expensive now and my fun winging low end keeps getting lower and lower as I progress. But I see this a great option for the future.
Thank you for sharing your experience, my friend. 🤙🏽 Good winds to you. -Aaron
More videos please, with footage from the beach 😊
I have been searching for info for some time on this practice. Thanks a lot!
You're very welcome, my friend. 🤙🏽 Thank YOU for sharing the stoke with us. Good winds! -Aaron
You a genius my friend. Thanks
Thank you, my friend. 🤙🏽 Glad to hear that this has helped you to learn and progress! -Aaron
Thank you Tucker! You are the best of the best! .......Exactly what I was looking for. I am an intermediate Wingfoiler and looking for a solution here in Qatar for 5-8 knots. I started practicing Kite control on land and desperately wanted to skip the twin-tip stage and move to the foil. Everybody here in Qatar told me just a waist of time and a mess once you crash the kite and don't even try it. Knie starting on a larger board and parking the kite at 12 while doing this....I love it and and will post a video if I succeed. One Question: Would you recommend a floaty or a sinker board? 105 L or 60 L for my 75 KG? 🤩
As a new rider, I'd go for the 105L for maximum ease of use and rebound if you drop or hit a lull. -Tucker
Great topic. It's a pity you don't have a video shot from the beach (not PoV) so we can see better how it performs,
Thanks for the suggestion. 🤙🏽 We'll definitely keep it in mind for future videos. Good winds to you, my friend. -Aaron
@@MACkiteboarding I would love to see that also!
One thing I think is important to consider is the ability to relaunch. An inflatable kite is heavier but will not turn into a sea anchor if it lands in the water. Also, I can’t deal with the complicated bridle system of a foil kite in the tall grass where I launch. I assume a low aspect kite is easier to relaunch based on windier conditions but I have never pushed the low end. Should I give it a shot on my FX or is that just too heavy?
For sure give it a shot on your FX. I'd guess you can probably get down to 9kn roughly before it gets too heavy and difficult to fly. Sadly, kites don't really re-launch in under 8kn so it's not much of a consideration. Dual skin ram air kites can get pretty heavy if they get logged with water but if you wrap up quick and secure them after rolling it's not too bad. The single skin are super easy since they don't hold water and pack down really small. I actually prefer those over an LEI for swimming in. Nice to have that larger board when swimming in a kite. LOL -Tucker
One thing not to do, is to try doing this with a seat harness. You will end up damaging your board every time you try to climb back on.
If the wind 10knots or lower, I ride my AXIS 1120 foil (BIG!!!) with a skim board (super wide) and either a 14m Peak4 or a 17m Cloud (both on 32m lines). Neither kite really hunts the edge of wind window, so it works pretty well with such a slow foil. The cloud is easy to gybe, the peak takes way more concentration.
I have tried my 51L slingshot skywalker and 75L fanatic wing boards and they both work fine. But at 105kg, these are still serious sinkers. I tried a 125L and it was a complete pain getting and controlling everything in a on-shore location. I went back to the fat early planning skimboard.
Downside of the skim board in such low winds is occassionally you are going to have to swim in. Side stroke is your friend.
use a rope type speader bar maybe ?
Thank you for sharing your experience, my friend. 🤙🏽 Good winds to you. -Aaron
I purchase a Mystic Stealth Spreader Bar - Surf Rope just for that purpose. No worries about damaging your board with this. MACKiteboarding has them.
nice,waiting next post
Thank you for sharing the stoke with us, my friend! 🤙🏽 Good winds to you. -Aaron
Good idea. Can you recommend a setup for those super extra light wind days (4kts +/-) ? Hyperlink or Peak? What size? Foil size?
David, I'm going to assume you are a "normal" 170-180lbs. 11m Peak or 10.5m Hybrid, 60-90L board (whatever you are comfortable with), Faster foil 700-1500cm. It's pretty flexible but works best with a super light kite and fast foil. - Tucker
Great video! Currently trying to add a wing board to my kite foiling and wondering if there’s any tips anyone can share for how to get on the board without banging my harness hook into the board. Using a mystic stealth freeride loop harness and a KT drifter F 56L board. Thanks!
I'd suggest converting your stealth harness to the rope slider connection. -Tucker
@@MACkiteboardingI was thinking that. Just wasn’t sure if it was necessary or if there was a better route to go with a wing harness
I don't need any wingboard to go low end. as long as my kite flies I can use my 140cm normal kitefoil board.
Right on-thanks for sharing your opinion, my friend. 🤙🏽 Good winds! -Aaron
I started foiling (kite) for the reason of “i can do it in light winds”. Never really worked too well. Got many stressful too-long swims with my kites, etc. I rather use a huge wing and foil, or even go dockstarting instead of taking out kites for these conditions 🙄
Thank you for sharing the stoke with us, my friend! 🤙🏽 Yeah, it can be frustrating at times, since we're always risking a long swim home. Good winds to you. -Aaron
I hesitate between Peak 4 8m for more maneuverability ans Peak4 11 for more power 🤔
For sure, I tend to go 8m for more fun flying, turning, ect... but I do grab that 11m once it gets below about 8kn -Tucker
thank you for the tips,i wonder if you can put the kites that you recommend in the description,thank you again
He mentioned
Flysurfer Peak 4 - a single-skin kite that flies in the lightest wind and is cheap, but is not relaunchable
Flysurfer Soul 2 - twin-skin kite that is stable and water relaunchable.
Ozone Chrono & Hyperlink - Chrono is higher aspect twin-skin kite, Hyperlink is lower aspect twin-skin kite
There are a lot of other light weigh kites that will fly in low wind. Some of note are BRM Cloud, Duotone Mono, Gin Spirit or Gin Shaman.
@@kennyfarnsworth7633 The New Flysurfer Hybrid is good too
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Hi Tucker and thank you so much for sharing this invaluable information, as i have engineering background i always knew with the right equipment this is possible but i need a proof of concept and here we are, no more diving or downlooping for boardstart, that's just brilliant.
First could you please get someone else to video the whole process step by step that would be extremely helpful.
Secondly, equipment, am 70kg rider ( a little light for a man 🤣) wind sub 6 to 11 knots, i have two sets of slingshot hoverglide foil, a space skate 65 and infinity 76, the kite am looking at ozone hyperlink 13m and 70 to 100 litre board, is this a balanced setup for my weight and wind range?? if no what do you recommend changing please??
Many thanks once again for sharing this.
Glad you found it helpful!
Yes, that gear should work well. Hyperlink 13, Infinity 76 will be great. 70-100L is fine. Just pick a board you can easily knee balance on. In this video I'm using a 54L and I'm 90kg. I've done as large as 125L but the wider boards are less fun to ride with a kite. -Tucker
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Many thanks Tucker, appreciat it, will you be doing another more detailed video of the whole procedure?
For sure, maybe springtime
Very cool!
Thank you for sharing the stoke with us, my friend! 🤙🏽 Good winds to you. -Aaron
Once that kite drops on a long day, enjoy that swim in. I like the optimism, but it might be better to kick back on that day and read a book, or something.
That's where I'd disagree Canucck. Having a larger board makes the swim in a "breeze". Pun intended ;) Most decent fliers can keep a kite like this in the sky in almost no wind but you will swim on occasion. -Tucker
Anti-skunk methods are the most important to me. I Often take time driving somewhere so getting skunked feels like a complete waste of time.
Thank you for sharing your experience, my friend. 🤙🏽 Good winds to you. -Aaron
Inspiring video to get out in light winds. How to you get onto the board with a kite?
Thanks for asking, Drew. 🤙🏽 In most cases, we kneel on the wing board in the same way we would for a traditional wing start. Dive the kite for a little bit of power, then stand up and go. Good winds to you, my friend. -Aaron
A couple things it's hard work getting on a floaty board.
Second at 65kg on a normal kite foil board with a flysurfer 12m soul my bottom end is 4 knots.
Not bashing but the big guys can just increase the size of the kite 🤷.
Impressive @S2oooo My Soul kites won't stay aloft in less than 5kn unless I run upwind. LOL. At 90kg, I do love my Soul2 15m. -Tucker
@@MACkiteboarding yes in 4 knots the soul 1 doesn't sit there without looping 🤣.
Im now using the super cheap panch kites 15m a15 6 knots and great.
They have brought out a couple new versions Hawk and know a kestrel check them out super super cheap and do the job 😃
I have all the kite gear. What size wing board and wing do you recommend?
Whatever you are comfortable on. For most people 60-90L board and foils 700-1500cmsq work. For me 60-75L and a small high aspect around 750-900 work for best "performance". -Tucker
Hey Tucker, thanks for sharing this video. For days when it is too light to wingfoil, at 230lbs which fs Hybrid would you use? Rds from France
The 11.5m would be a good option. -Tucker
Thanks Tucker
Hey Tucker, got myself a FS Hybrid 11.5m and gave it a try the last 2 days. Not easy at first to get from knee position to stand up position but after one afternoon playing around, got it right. I ended up all by myself at some point, all the kitefoilers swimming around. Definitely the ultimate weapon for light wind (was on a Sabfoil 945 which is 1300cm2), will try with a smaller foil next time🎉
Can you use a blow up wing foil board to achieve the same results?
Absolutely, I've done it a few times - Tucker
Hi there! Can I use my AXIS 1060 foil to try it with the kite? Thanks
Good question, my friend. 🤙🏽 At 1800cm2, that may be a bit of a large wing to kite with, but give it a try and see how it goes. You'll probably want to slide the mast all the way back in your mast track for the most leverage. Good winds! -Aaron
@@MACkiteboarding Thank you very much Aaron!!!}}
Hi Tucker, super video and what I was thinking trying as after few year off kit doing windfoil and wingfoil I am looking to get bake on kite in addition of winging to deal with low tide and light wind. Will test it with my actual wing 5’8 for 98L. But instead of buying a new kite foil board I am thinking getting a sinker instead for low med wind with a kite and mid high with a wing. What do you think?
That's what I can doing here. This board is 54L which works well for me kiting, prone, and winging in winds over 18kn. I'd suggest riding something you are farmiliar with so if you jump down in size you might need to spend some time in the water finding that sweet spot. -Tucker
It's totally possible to ride an 8m wing in 6 knots. I saw a 140 pound french guy on youtube do it while he was smoking a Gitane cigarette and reading some Proust!
Thanks for commenting, man. 🤙🏽
Check the new Flysurfer Hybrid 🤙
Yes, the hybrid is amazing for this style of riding. -Tucker
Hi Tucker! Thanks for the video. What size of Flysurfer hybrid would you suggest for 7-12 knots of wind / 55 liters wing board / 1550 front wing (or smaller) / 63 kilos rider weight (experienced kitesurfer and wingfoiler). PS. I think itt would be intersting also to try with short lines (8-10 meters) Thank you ! Luca 😀 @@MACkiteboarding