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“So, in World War II, when the Americans were coming to Japan, there were instances where the Japanese people would throw themselves off of cliffs because they didn't want to risk dying at the hands of the Americans. For the past 1 hour, 10 minutes, and 11 seconds that's what my brain cells have been doing.”
-Wolf
What efap?
@@patrickbliss9264 Not so great debate
I miss wolf 🐺 😢. o7.
@@2ndlegend125Me too but he wasn't happy. I hope him leaving EFAP and not feeling as constrained has given him more days where he can laugh instead of suffer. I wouldn't want him to come back if it hurt his mental health as much as I'd enjoy seeing him return.
I LITERALLY just listened to that debate last night, holy fuck.
Rian Johnson strikes me as the type of guy that finishes writing a page of his script, and then smiles, puts four fingers over his mouth while giggling to himself, and then twiddles his fingers going "ooh hooohooo don't mind if I do" before continuing typing, same as when he's picking out donuts from a box.
I could actually see this visual in my mind. You are 100% correct. XD
Think you're on the money.
But it's yum yums not donuts in the box. Ryan is pleasantly surprised at his expectations being subverted. This is despite the fact that he was the one who replaced the donuts with yum yums 1 hour before.
@@Bruuf_ He's playing 1D chess
“Delightfully devilish, Rian!”
Rian makes very effective metaphors, just not the ones he intends
1. The character smashing the puzzle box to bits basically illustrates Rian's contempt for the mystery genre
2. Burning the Mona Lisa out of spite shows how he handles established IPs and genres: by decimating them as completely as he can and making smores over the smoldering embers
3. The movie itself illustrates his lack of caring in his audience's enjoyment of his work
For those who want a more satisfying and more well-executed mystery story, here's a couple:
-An Agatha Christie novel
-Sherlock Holmes
-Clue (the film)
-Hoodwinked!
-That one episode of Jimmy Neutron where the squirrel is the culprit
Why’d you spoil the Jimmy Neutron one
@@bruhfvdf3145 oops
Ooh, Hoodwinked is a really good choice. That film is gold and a classic in my family.
Also Midsomer Murders
And Columbo
For Sherlock Holmes, to be more specific, read the books or watch the Guy Ritchie films; don't watch the BBC Sherlock TV series if you're looking for a good mystery.
Okay... so I have something to say about Gas Explosions, since I survived one myself.
Why do I need to say something? Well...
In summary of my experience...
10 years ago in the oil fields of Eastern Utah I was working a truck with a "Fire Box" (box with lots of pipe for fluids to get heated from burners on its floor).
I go to light a pilot light so I can safely light it... not knowing that someone before me left the pilot on unlit and filling it with propane.
Two things saved my life.
1, the box had a big open top for most of the explosion to be directed towards the sky.
2, I was wearing a hard hat and safety glasses.
Yet I still took a 10 foot long fire pulse strait to the face when my lighter approached the Gas filled box.
So, what happens in a substantially smaller version of an explosion like that shown in Glass Onion?
First, a loud pop that made it hard to hear for maybe 6 seconds.
Second, knocked on my A$$.
Third, (most terrifying) 30 agonizing seconds of "Flash Blindnes". I didn't see anything but bright fog. Praying to God that I wasn't blind.
Once I overcame that, I looked into my Sideview mirror. I sustained major burns on my face. My eyebrows and eyelashes where gone. My facial hair was half gone and I was still disoriented for several minutes afterwards.
So, all them being able to focus, move and see all while not losing any hair or sustaining any burns is such Glorious BS.
I understand that movies don't have to be accurate and other movies do this as well. It just especially urks me when there's so much silliness that is ment to not be a joke.
Damn, glad you weren't seriously hurt m8.
Thanks for sharing. I've never suffered a gas burn and hope I never will. It was very out of character for blanc to risk so many lives to one.
Jesus Christ, man. That's intense.
The joke sea mine explosion from Hot Fuzz is smaller and more survivable than the glass onion explosion yet they are at least more injured and disoriented afterwards... AND IT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE DUMB! THATS THE JOKE! Hot Fuzz was more realistic in a over the top joke than this movies supposed actual plot.
You know I'm not trying to make light of your situation and that does sound like one hell of an experienced however I don't think Ryan put that kind of complexity or thought into this movie I think they all just survive because Ryan's a shit writer but nice to hear that you're still alive mate
I like how, because the writers clearly disagreed with them, Duke's politics are more fleshed out than Claire's, who is an actual politician whose work is _critical_ to the plot.
I know I’m late but extremely good point
Duee.....conservative bad!!!!!
We all know Reeean is the kind of guy who can't actually form an argument. He can only make (bad) jokes about it. He's not someone to be taken seriously.
WRITER. please, say it with me: _writer._ singular. there were no credited "writers" to this, uh, screenplay - there was just the one.
the same solely-credited writer that brought us Forced Lightning and The Holdo Maneuver (not called those things in the film, of course, only so-named and made iconically shit upon post-release review) also brought us _this_ delightful bit of forced and grossly narcissistic / grossly gross bit of hypo-criticism:
"This rich people shit is _weird."_
said with disdain by our disgruntled hero played by Daniel Craig who, along with its in-famed writer/director and producer figure somehow scored a combined payment of _100 million American Dollars_ to make more of this stank, lavish trash for Netflix.
nothing better in the world than getting scripts scorning weirdo rich people from a man paid well over $33 million to do it.
My dad was enjoying the film knowing it was stupid, he was entertained by the characters despite the numerous flaws.
When the Mona Lisa was burned he pulled a complete 180, he now despises the film and specifically Helen for that.
People would literally crucify her for doing that, it is not a triumphant moment at all
I doubt they would want to chop the wood for the crucifixion.
same experience for my family, pretty much. we were engaged until he gave her the crystal thing and we were like "ahh so that's what they're doing. okay, we're done, no more mysteries to solve."
You know, I didn't even really register the massive cultural vandalism when they destroyed the Mona Lisa. I was already so checked out from how terrible of a "whodunit" it was that you could have had a full-on "adult" scene at the climax (heh), and I wouldn't have even noticed.
If Rian really wanted the Mona Lisa to burn, he should've had Miles be the one to cause the fire; have it that he inadvertently caused its destruction in his arrogance at the moment he thought his victory was assured. Having it that the protagonist burns the Mona Lisa and is seen by the film as a hero because of it because the fire was only possible due to the Klear is just stupid.
The French would launch the Charles DeGalle to bomb the entire estate in revenge.
**Helen shoots the Mona Lisa** "Why would Miles do this?"
Exactly. And she's only saved by there apparently being no security cameras to record what happened, and the group suddenly flipping on Miles.
She doesn’t say Miles shot the Mona Lisa, she said it was his dangerous fuel that blew up the Mona Lisa. Thus, it’ll never be usable on the public market
@@teddyharvester there are no security cameras because a) Miles is overconfident, that’s why he sent the staff home and b) they probably would’ve been destroyed in that explosion anyway.
The group turns on Miles at the end because they realize if he’s going down, so will they, unless they testify against him. It’s not them choosing the good moral choice, it’s them still looking out for themselves
@@violetlavi2207 if this happened in real life people would come up with conspiracy theories that big oil sabotaged this new clean fuel
And of the group testify that this crazy woman blew up the whole place and destroyed everything (aka the truth), they still save their asses
@@violetlavi2207 so why are they turning on him when there is no proof of anything he did when it literally all got burned down?
Here's a small essay that proves why the "bulletproof journal" scene is even worse than what Drinker said:
First, a real life situation where something similar to the scene *did* actually happen. October 14, 1912, Milwaukee Wisconsin. President Theodore Roosevelt is walking on to the stage to give a speech he prepared. In the audience however was John Flammang Schrank, a man suffering from delusions is working to avenge the death of William McKinley, whomst he believes is ordering him from beyond the grave to avenge him by killing Roosevelt. As Roosevelt is walking to the stage, John rushes forward and fires a shot from his .38 special revolver at close range, striking Roosevelt in the chest. However, Roosevelt had in his coat pocket his pure steel eyeglass case, and inside it was his 50 page speech folded over once (equalling to 100 pages thick). This slowed the bullet down enough so that it wouldn't hit anything vital, as it remained lodged in his chest muscle, close to his lung. Roosevelt knew he was not in any mortal danger, as him being both an acid hunter and anatomist he concluded that due to him not coughing up blood that he was ultimately fine (he was correct). He then lightly scolded his assailant, calling him a "poor creature" and than gave his 84 minute speech, and only afterwards sought medical attention.
Now let's compare an actual historical fact to the movie that's supposed to be set in reality.
That specific handgun Duke owns is the Yugo 57m Tokarev. It shoots 7.62x25mm, a cartridge that is both more powerful than a .38 special and is specifically designed to *pierce body armor.* Regardless is the journal had steel plating it wouldn't matter because it is literally designed to shoot through that material (as well as various others). The only possible way for it to even *potentially* be stopped by a journal is if it's a hollow point variant, due to hollow points being designed to be used on soft targets and cause a mushrooming effect when it hits rather than a solid slug that goes as deep as possible. However Ryan Johnson shoots himself in the foot (pun intended) because he shows a close up shot of the bullet in the journal, and it confirms it is *not* a hollow point.
Remember, Teddy Roosevelt was both shit with a weaker round *and* had a much thicker form of protection to save him and yet the bullet still actually went *into* his body, yet despite this Andi gets away without a scratch.
So in short, this couldve worked had rian talked to someone knowlegabke on guns for 5 minuted
Ronald Knox: "All supernatural and preternatural causes must be ruled out, of course.
"No stereotypical suspects who the author and/or the audience have bigoted prejudices against are allowed.
"No accident must ever help the detective, nor can he have an unaccountable hunch that proves to be correct.
"The detective must not light on any clues which are not immediately presented for the audience.
"The accomplice of the detective (the Watson) must announce all their thoughts. They must be only just slightly less intelligent than the average viewer."
"Twins, and doubles in general, must never appear unless the audience has been dually prepared for them.
*"Thou shalt not cheat the reader.'*
Ruin Johnson: "Imma pretend I didn't hear any of that."
You are assuming that RJ gives a damn about fair play in a mystery story.
We will never see the likes of Agatha Christie if the most prominent mysteries of our time are things like Knives Out and Glass Onion.
Rian does this often. "It's a glass onion, don't think about it", or "let's not melt our brains thinking about time travel". He tells us honestly that we shouldn't think deeply about things because he doesn't either.
Easiest way to deflect all criticism
I'm fine with making stupid, surface level movies. Just don't pretend it's brilliant or clever when the thing isn't really smart. People praising these things unnecessarily and getting butthurt when the thing turns out to have a lot of problems, that's the issue.
"I'm shit at story problems, so just don't think too much. Also, pay me millions." -RJ. It's like a house painter saying "I suck at painting, and I only do one coat, so don't sweat it if you can still see the old color peeking through. That'll be $6000."
Rian is so obsessed to "subvert expectation", he pretty much ignore common sense (and physic) to make the story feels more dramatic (time travel shenanigan, warp kamikaze, this movie)
Which is another reason why he tell audience to not think too much, it would "ruin" the narrative.
@@hafirenggayuda Maybe if he keeps subverting the subversion, he will eventually flip it enough times to accidentally make a good movie. I mean, it could actually happen.
The Mona Lisa is totally an analogy for Star Wars. Like Helen, Rian destroyed it out of spite.
"I agree 100%."
-Abraham Lincoln
Who’s Helen?
@@jackmrsich3178 she's the black chick with blonde hair who was roasting everyone a few minutes after they got to the Glass Onion
Truly funny
But you see, Rian had to destroy it in order to prove that it was unsafe.
"I'm going to steal the Statue of Liberty! Mwahaha, I'm cartoonishly evil!"
"I'm going to scribble my name on the Gutenburg Bible! Mwahaha, I'm cartoonishly evil!"
"I'm going to burn the Mona Lisa! And I'm played as the good guy of my story!"
"I can remember what you do after you do it." **legs disappear**
"That's how we're gonna win. Not fighting what we hate; saving what we love." **explosions in the background**
"You are a good nurse." **medicates by intuition**
"Oh, she was clever enough not to fear Miles." **dies**
Is that first one from Looper?
Jesus Christ.
And there are more yet to come
Bu...but...Verisimilitude!!! Glass Onion!!!
Tbh, I used a bad example from Looper. The time travel rules make enough sense. A funnier example would have been when gangsters shoot Joe's wife even though it's apparently impossible to get away with murder in the future.
@@_bisclavret The time travel in Looper still doesn't actually make sense because we see older versions of characters lose limbs in real time where as if you cut off someone's limb off in the past they'd never have that limb in the future, they wouldn't suddenly remember they have no limbs, they would simply not have them and for instance would be caught and unable to get away from their enemies in the first place rather than them running away and suddenly falling after losing their legs.
Same with how the main plot goes, the main character killing himself causes a paradox, as not only would the whole plot not happen but then he also wouldn't have made that choice because the plot wouldn't have happened, and none of the other characters would even remember him if he did do that since he wouldn't have kicked off the plot, time paradoxes are the ultimate error in a time travel story.
SPOILERS FOR BOTH KNIVES OUT FILMS:
The bad guy of the first movie: The attractive, wealthy white guy
The bad guy of the second movie: The attractive, wealthy white guy
Bit of a pattern there, eh Rian? Gee, it'll be a true mystery who'll be the bad guy of the third Knives Out-film!
That's a trope that goes back to the 90s and possibly further.
It's envy, it's no coincidence that every high school movie has the jocks as the bad guys because the writer/writer insert protagonist is still huffing copium due to not being the popular kid who gets the good-looking girl in their own life. They're stuck in the past ignoring their own advice about killing the past all the while.
@@Cartoonman154 But Rian Johnson was the first person who did it according to modern film critics. Knives Out was revolutionary because no one has ever deconstructed the mystery genre before.
Also, the protagonist for both is a lower class worker + Woman + POC
Also guarantee you that in this next movie said rich white guy will have a joke to the effect of “what, you guys think it was me because I’m a rich white guy?” And it will still turn out to be him
When someone has an allergic reaction that is fatal, there are usually obvious signs. You know swelling in the face and neck. Blanc is so terrible at his job he doesn't even give the glass a sniff where the very distinct smell of pineapple would be. Then he could mention that it smelled like pineapple out loud. Where someone but probably his girlfriend might mention that he's allergic to pineapple. Then it would be obvious that he was actually the target of the poisoning. Making the top suspect very effing obvious.
Forget giving the glass a sniff, he didn't even bother LOOKING at it.
And seriously, if you have a deadly allergy you would be carrying an Epi Pen with you everywhere. That's just standard process
I'm "allergic" to Pineapples. It's actually called "intolerance", and does not cause anaphylaxis (swelling, respiratory/pulmonary failure), ingesting pineapple causes nausea & vomiting.
@@Ceyx000 Many intolerance can proceed into a full allergy. It does occur for Pineapple, but is very rare. It can go all the way to anaphylaxis, but is usually just rash and swelling. However, you cannot have that with a character that had no swelling around his face, at all... So he probably died of bad scriptitis.
@@tevenpowell8023 I saw someone on Twitter pointing out how Duke carried his gun everywhere for his own protection, but not an Epi Pen, which is what he really needed to not die, and they praised that narrative choice like Rian was making some kind of deep commentary on real life gun nuts. But I genuinely do not think it even occurred to Rian that any person so allergic to something would always have an Epi Pen nearby.
Also, I find it weird that Duke's girlfriend, Whiskey, did not immediately assume that, if he wasn't choking, he was having a severe reaction to pineapple. I can't remember if the film ever mentioned if she knew about his allergy or not, but surely she would have. And she for sure would've mentioned it to the room as Duke was dying. God, these characters just get worse and worse the more you examine what they should know and should be doing.
@@sandwichdelta Dude, they've all been friends for like 10 years.
Literally EVERYONE in the room except Blanc knows he's allergic, and none of them said anything.
Seriously, when Miles says that their glasses were switched nobody asked him "Well, what were you drinking?" Because knowing about his allergies, that would obviously be the first thing they'd ask.
I want to see the scene where the French government has to hold a press conference to announce to the world that the Mona Lisa was destroyed because they needed to rent it out to some billionaire due to being broke because of the pandemic.
Lmao it’s why it’s my head canon that French government assassinate everyone involved to cover it up.
They'd probably have to say they're going to use the insurance money to buy the 2nd Mona Lisa painted by Leonardo Da Vinci: the Isleworth Mona Lisa. That painting would become the new most expensive painting in the world since it's the last Mona Lisa.
Nation wide sacre bleu there
TIMESTAMPS
0:00 Random Peeling
1:24 Ryan Johnson’s History
6:30 Glass Onion
8:14 Guest Opinions
17:19 The Drinker’s Tweet
24:12 Looking Through The Glass Onion
35:39 The Puzzle Box
46:48 The World’s Greatest Detective
52:24 Reunion
53:56 Ethan Hawke’s Covid Cure
59:12 Another Clue For You All
59:56 The Walrus Was Paul
1:02:38 The Cast Iron Shore
1:07:24 Another Clue For You All
1:08:00 The Keys
1:11:08 Detective In The House
1:20:23 Another Clue for You All
1:21:50 Detective In the House
1:23:07 Bent-Backed Tulip
1:24:08 The Fax Machine
1:29:17 The Disruptors
1:38:09 Fixing A Hole
1:41:08 The Fool
1:42:52 Glasses, Drinks & Hot Sauce
1:46:07 Lady Madonna
1:54:35 The Super Energy
2:02:17 The Game
2:04:30 Listen To Me
2:23:35 The Napkin
2:26:00 Phones & Guns
2:30:52 The Other Half
2:33:57 Everything Flows
2:35:49 Nothing Is Real
3:00:20 When The Lights Go Out
3:06:52 Another Place
3:12:54 As Close As Can Be
3:47:04 Long Long Time Ago
3:50:40 The Case
3:55:08 The Napkin
3:59:30 Conveniences
4:02:54 Wise Decisions
4:09:05 The Twin & The Chick
4:11:45 The Senator & the Scientist
4:17:57 Mauler’s Hear-drops List
4:21:07 The Senator, The Duke & The Twin
4:22:20 The Detective, The Twin & The Serena
4:25:54 Hiding
4:28:18 Another Clue For You All
4:32:28 Espionage
4:35:25 The Envelope
4:40:32 The Kevlar Journal
4:44:21 The Motivation
4:46:58 The Plan & The Hot Sauce
4:56:00 Stupidity Unleashed
5:27:14 Burn Baby Burn
5:32:54 Helen Smash
5:38:30 Hindenburg
5:41:52 Somehow Palpatine Returned
5:45:27 Killing Lisa
5:54:55 Changing Side & Underestimating The Police
6:06:25 The Ending
6:09:30 The Last Shot
6:12:07 Looking Through The Glass Onion
6:15:55 Final Considerations
6:25:41 Replies To Drinker’s Tweet
6:29:54 Metal’s Wish
You need a timestamp for the streams original ending 😆.
How the hell you do this in like 10 minutes? 👀
@@denzelcooper3153 Subscribe & Ring the bell to Mauler
@@jeggsonvohees2201 yes I do
Doing Gods work 🙏
Scientist Guy: "But Miles, this new energy type explodes!"
*DOES NOBODY IN THE ROOM KNOW HOW GASOLINE WORKS?!*
Miles started huffing glue after that 5 hour "debate"
Even if the pipes leak hydrogen...why wouldn't the electric generator be outside so the hydrogen could vent harmlessly into the air? Why would you need "pipes" that contain combustible gas to be indoors to power the lights?
@@Edax_Royeaux how dare you imply rian johnson may not be the most knowledgable on these matters
Would not be surprised in the slightest if it’s just Hollywood’s way of discrediting Hydrogen as an actual clean and renewable fuel source so that all the energy companies that have focused their investments into “renewable” wind, solar, and lithium batteries don’t have any competition.
Rian Johnson has never seen what happens when a lithium battery gets damaged
Glass Onion reminds me of Heavy Rain, specifically in how it outright lies to the player in order to trick them. The most egregious one is that one of the playable characters is actually the murderer but the game goes out of its way to not make him look like the murderer. You can even hear the characters' thoughts while you play as them and when you play as the murderer all his thoughts sound like someone who is looking for the killer and would NOT be something said by the guy doing the killings. The twist comes off as absolutely asinine because you can tell the dude isn't really set up as the killer before the reveal. David Cage wanted his big twist reveal but had to lie to the audience through the story and even game mechanics to try to make it work. It's the absolute wrong way to write a story.
The craziest thing to come out of this movie are the Rian Johnson defenders endorsing burning the Mona Lisa for memes.
And these same dorks are now championing the fan theory that it was a fake Mona Lisa that the Louvre gave to him because they knew Miles was so stupid lol. They'll lap this shit up even though it undoes the "point" of the movie, as they've been saying. Goes to show, anything Rian serves them, they'll think it's amazing. He is their Miles Bron, ironically.
It's not so crazy if you look at it through the lens of the 2020 riots. Scads of people trying to "avenge" the death of a black person by burning and looting and destroying--usually spurred on or orchestrated by some wealthy white people, who just tut-tutted and said the ordinary working Joe had the loss of his livelihood and culture coming.
Hmm, I wonder why Rian wants us not to think about any potential deeper meaning here.
@@spenser9908 are you a mongo
@@testcase6997 Do you think this movie is well written?
@@spenser9908 answer me mongo
Having the actual Mona Lisa in a random billionaire's home is just never-endingly stupid. This is not some random Picasso: as suggested by Rags, the Mona Lisa is beyond value, it is literally one of these items that no man in their right mind would sell to anyone. If the French State needs money it has many options like raising taxes, exports, international contracts, etc. the last thing a country that is very attached to its cultural and artistic assets would do is LEND AN INESTIMABLE MASTERPIECE TO A PRIVATE COLLECTOR ON A GREEK ISLAND IN THE SEA WHERE THERE IS A RISK THE BOAT MIGHT SINK OR OTHERWISE DAMAGE THE PAINTING IN TRANSPORT. Also, good luck trying to insure what is beyond appraisal, not to mention painting a target on your back should it be stolen by a criminal (it happened to the Mona Lisa once in the past) or destroyed.
Someone trying to steal the Mona Lisa from the island sounds like a much better premise for a film
Rian Johnson reminds me of the Bob Burgers episode where Linda does dinner theater where it starts with narrating a murder mystery where she states she’s not the murderer, but at the end reveals it her all along then the audience called the twist out as a lie
Holy shit I thought the exact same.
There, got rid of that pesky 69 for you...xD
That’s funny, I was literally just watching the episode where she goes to the murder mystery book signing and correctly guesses the murderer because the car back fires and that’s scary. And I said to my wife “hey, that’s just like glass onion”.
You guys missed her greatest crime. If Clear actually is a cheap, clean, powerful, easily renewed source of energy that is close to being ready for widespread use, then she is quashing an incredible boon to mankind out of SPITE.
Bbut if you pump it into your house, and then blow it up, it blows up.
Non lethally but still it makes big poof.
It actually pushes the stereotype that black people can only destroy things and never build
To be ever so slightly fair to the movie, I think the idea behind the problem with Klear wasn't so much that it was outright bad so much as the Klear wasn't ready yet and Miles tried to put it into market years before it was actually ready by not putting it through proper testing first.
This would be treated as a huge conspiracy, a billionaire is about to launch a super clean energy and his house burns down with the mona lisa?
People would speculate it was intentionally done by oil companies to destroy it
Klear
I love how they had Miles for killing Duke (prints on the glass + pineapple juice + cause of death) but then she destroys the evidence by burning Duke's body to a crisp so they cant even get Miles on that anymore.
Even worse: the movie just completely forgets about the gun. Miles stole the gun without wearing gloves, his fingerprints are all over it, and there's the jacket with a bullet hole and the notebook with a bullet in it; that's hard proof of attempted murder if they find the gun, but no one even bothers to look for it, and the jacket is destroyed in the fire.
Own a sword for manor defence, since that's what the Magna Carta intended. Four heathens break into my cottage. "What in the Lord's name?" As I grab my aventail bascinet and windlass arbalest. Punch a bolt through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Throw a pot of naft at the second man and miss entirely since it's a hand thrown grenade in the dark and burns down the neighbour's harvest causing them to starve in the winter. I have to resort to the pot of boiling oil at the top of the hay loft "Deus Lo Vult!" The boiling oil completely drenches two men and cause them to scream in agony and writhe on the ground, racked with incomprehensible pain. The screams of pain frightens horses in nearby stables. Draw sword and charge the last terrified infidel. He bleeds out with no one to assist him since this is Feudal Europe and nobody gives a shit. Just as the Magna Carta intended.
Very Solomon Kane, a golf clap for thee
"He owns a sword? Must have a tiny dick."
God bless you sir, God bless you
@@SirReginaldThe2rd Dankeschön.
Verily! Every English man's home is his castle.
I feel sad for Drinker... He tried to explain stupidity to a crowd of stupid people.
I refuse to believe such a mundane tweet over a niche film got over 20 million views and 300k likes, not even celebrities and politicians get pull like that. Elon fix the fucking bots, bro.
Being Intelligent among a Crowd of fools is eternal torture
@Hostmann Socrates That actually fits perfectly.
@Hostmann Socrates even in bad films or games a good line is a good line. It's perfectly in character, adds depth and is true as well It's really good.
Honestly it's good to see
Also his comment section is on fire right now.
If they weren't expecting Blanc to be there....why would they have a bracelet and a room waiting for him??
Because miles is dumb
Because everyone in the world is stupid except Rian Johnson. Rian Johnson is the world's smartest man. He should win the Novel Prize. He's the male Jennifer Lawrence. There!😂🤷
"I prefer analogue, which is why I only use fax machines instead of phones. Also, instead of keys, I have these biorhythmic wristband monitors that open your rooms and use haptic features to guide you to them."
It's not that Miles is stupid, it's that his traits are a slapdash bit of forced characterization necessary for the plot.
And if Klear causes pipes to leak hydrogen...why wouldn't the electric generator be outside so the hydrogen could vent harmlessly into the outside air? Why would you need "pipes" that contain combustible gas to be indoors to power the lights?
@@Edax_Royeaux
That's the genius of Klear it doesn't burn the hydrogen as fuel, it actually flows through the pipes turning mini turbines in every appliances which generates electricity. That way there's no emnissions either.
@@Umcarasemvideo Why would you build generators in every appliance? That you would mean needing to custom design every appliance with generators and adding weight and bulk to every appliance too. Why wouldn't you just build an electric generator that produces all of the electric needs of the household and have the generator outside so that any gas leaks cannot build up?
@@Edax_Royeaux
Because Miles is an idiot and Rian in his infinite genius made him really dumb.
@@Umcarasemvideo Even if he was an idiot, any company would struggle to make 300 custom appliances for his mansion. Are they really going to attach a generator to every damn light bulb? The way Rian imagines Hydrogen power to be is just colossally dumb.
The movie would've simply been better if the napkin was never lost, Andi was screwed over by Miles because "lol the napkin isn't proof of anything other than you were taking notes" and she being humiliated in court and then she is invited to the island and she comes anyways. Blanc is invited by Miles as a gag for his murder mystery party because he's a billionaire that can pay Blanc enough money to come. Miles gets killed at his own murder mystery party and we figure out who done it. You can even still have Miles be a moron, but instead of him being in charge of everything, he's just the charismatic face for the company and one of the friends is actually the one who pulls the strings and Andi being cut out was their idea, not Miles. There you go, a good murder mystery movie.
But that wouldn't subvert expectation and will make the bad guy look sympathetic, Rian don't want that.
When do we get the triumphant mixed morals moment?
but the bad guy still has to be white ....
It was the random dude in the background!
And then you can still have the twist of his murder not having anything to do with the buisness stuff.
Just some personal murder motive.
The movie/mystery that's a better fit for the whole definition of "a glass onion" would be Hot Fuzz - it's initially assumed as a complex real-estate scheme; however the real explanation is much simpler/dumber, however the new reveal is just as satisfying for the audience, and fits within the existing characterization.
The difference is that Hot Fuzz is a brilliant mystery revolving around a dumb premise. Glass Onion is just a dumb mystery revolving around an even dumber premise.
Hot Fuzz was brilliant. One reason for that is that they spent eighteen months writing out the script, with the first draft taking eight months and the rest of the time spent redrafting and rewriting it, and it shows: there is an incredible attention to detail. How often these days is even so much as one month spent on the script?
@@matthewmuir8884 And they locked themselves in a hotel doing it; this wasn't some "walk around talking to Twitter friends and tossing a ball then maybe write for 40 minutes and call it a day" BS. Wright and Pegg were on no-internet minimal outside contact, double-checking each other's stuff and shooting things down left and right until only the good stuff was left. They were professionals and took it seriously in other words.
This is a great comparison
While Hot Fuzz real conspiracy more simple, it also more sinister and horrifying, I mean the group willing to kill children/ teens just because
Doesn't throwing the Coof into your film or tv show just date it immediately. The pandemic was awful, we all hated it, I'd rather my movies just not address it.
Rian is terminally current year, this is why before more than 3 characters have been introduced he brings up Elon Musk, NFTs, climate change, and yes the Coof. He is like a sentient social media account with TDS.
I can't be the only person who, after seeing Miles burn the napkin, immediately thought: "Oh, wait; the gun! If he kept the napkin, he probably kept the gun, and the gun plus the notebook with a bullet in it would be hard proof of attempted murder; they can at least get him arrested for that." But no; everyone in the movie, including the detective, just acts as if there's no longer any evidence of Miles' crimes.
It would've been amazing to see the police find the gun and ask Benoit why he didn't search for it as evidence.
I was going ballistic watching this movie when Helen threw her jacket with a bullet hole into the fire.
@@MrSwanee11 Right; the jacket. That would've been even further proof of Miles' attempted murder. Her throwing the jacket into the fire was just stupid.
There are soo many clues for the police, his and dukes fingerprints are on the glass, the gun, the phone, police can tell who fired a gun, the ballistics show that bullet was shot from that gun
Blank is a detective ffs
You weren't. When that idiot was going for the Mona Lisa, I was waiting for a gunshot to stop her.
Also, if you want your characters to survive, do not make the explosion that big. Simple.
The pressure wave would explode churn your insides into paste. The fire and the hole in the roof would take all the oxygen out, so your lungs would collapse, or you'd choke to death from the smoke. You'd go deaf and blind, your skin and hair would burn and peel off like old paint and plaster. You'd have glass and metal sticking out of you, and concrete dust in all your wounds. Also, jeans and plaid are one thing, especially if their tight enough, but these bitches are wearing gowns and shit. That is too much exposed skin and all your clothes should be ripped or burnt, whether you are alive or not.
Again, I am all for movie logic. I'm not saying every explosion should be realistic. I'm just saying don't have an explosion this massive if you need your characters to survive. I don't know why creatively solving a problem has been swapped for "fuck this shit, I'm gonna write what I want and if you don't like it you're the idiot hater who hates art for a living."
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Always a pleasure to see our boy E;R on here 🥂
@Urban Development to be fair he’s a sex offender and a danger to kids.
@Urban Development Oh you’re playing dumb. Nice. We’ll see how this goes for you.
@Urban Development Playing stupid won’t change anything ya know right? Have the balls to read the conversation and don’t act like a mongo.
@@testcase6997 why are you so hateful towards the Mongolian people?
@Urban Development you should check him out. His air bender and star wars reviews are phenomenal m
Also, if Duke was such a big streamer/influencer, it is very likely that he doesn't live with his mom, rather, his mom lives with him. He probably moved her in with him to take care of her, so the slap and ridicule is out of sync with the reality of the story.
That's immediately what I assumed. Considering the size of the house. And that you can see that it's mostly his stuff lying around
@@tevenpowell8023 And he has google alerts in his phone for all of his friends. Also the first to try to go see Andi. Duke was kind of a nice guy.
@@TheGavrael The only time I felt for someone in this movie was after Duke died.
It was in the scene where whiskey is crying to Helen afterwards, and she muttered "What am I supposed to tell his Mom?"
Because yeah, a mother just lost her son. And outside of this one line, nobody seems to care
Does his mom make nuggies for him, I wonder.
I think the reality kind of does sync, in a darker way.
He is helping her, and she abuses him any time where he exerts authority. The sad part is that this is seen as a joke and not a parasitic relationship.
This whole film is like when Linda puts together a murder mystery dinner in Bob’s Burgers and starts the show with the hint of “I am not the murderer” and “there’s a twist ending”. The twist is that, she lied and is the murderer.
Nobody can convince me that Rian did not think this was the smartest movie
But he said it was dumb on purpose. So, he wins when it’s dumb, or he wins when it’s smart. He can’t lose. I picture him thinking something like: “my dumbness will show them how smart I am”. Genius right there. It’s honestly the equivalent of an employee saying “I suck at my job” then when they do a bad job, the boss says “you’re bad at your job, but you said you were bad at your job, so you’re actually great! You deserve a promotion”. If you change the context it’s blatant how idiotic it is
He probably believes himself to be the next Da Vinci or something.
@@庫倫亞利克Or he's like the Charlatan from the story The Emperor’s New Clothes with the people in Hollywood and influencers as the Emperor while everyone who thought this movie was amazing are the courtesans who know there’s no clothes but pretend there is to avoid being thought of as uncultured or stupid.😊
This movie effectively ends with another Kanto Bytian destroy the stuff of the rich and be damned the collateral destruction that ultimately harms everybody but the rich. Cool story bro
Who?
I can see why Film Twitter will die on a hill defending this film.
Nah. Miles will get ZERO insurance payout and he'll be forced to clean up all that mess by himself because he's stinky
@@samwallaceart288 yeah, because that's totally how rich people world works. Not the same thing and not at the same level of cultural damage, but keep in mind that just shortly after this movie released, Ezra friggin Miller who did breaking and entering, theft, multiple instances of video-documented violence against women, an alleged kidnapping and setting up a cult... Got off with most charges dropped, probation and a slap on the wrist level fine. And WB are still thinking of working with they/them.
It's just different when rich people do crime.
I can only guess that maybe Rian in his fictional story made a more just version of the world where Miles actually faces consequences other than being known as the guy who burned the Mona Lisa.
Even though it's actually the twin sister that did it to spite him because just exposing him as the killer wasn't enough...
@@samwallaceart288 I think there is an argument for Miles not getting an insurance payout, actually. First, it's implied he broke the insurance terms on the Mona Lisa since the protective case could be opened for him to look at. So if there's an investigation that discovers that, I don't think he'd get paid. He'd also likely be sued by the Louvre or whatever entity owns the Mona Lisa. Second, he may not get an insurance payout if it wasn't disclosed that his entire home was powered by an experimental energy source. Insurance companies will do whatever they can to get out of paying out on a policy, but those are pretty reasonable.
Fun fact: Fringu was the only person who stayed under the 30 seconds for the summarised thoughts at the start, and he nearly managed to stay under the initial suggestion of 10 seconds, hell maybe he did, I timed him at 11,76, and I could’ve gotten it a few seconds off.
Also Mauler took the longest
Of course. He is The Long, after all.
"This is a fun fact."
-Aragorn
In character, for he is the Longman.
@@Kernwadi “this is autism” -tism bagglsworth
Why wasn't Andi's journal, which she wrote in everyday since she was a child, better or at least as good as a paper napkin, as trial evidence for company ownership? Indeed why was it never referenced for this purpose in the film at all?
Very good question. Also, why was it so small/thin? How much information could it possibly hold? I know someone that journals their life regularly and has since they were a kid. Their collection of their daily happenings is, well... massive.
I'm no law man, but I don't see how the journals would prove anything in way of company ownership in court. Which means that they would have at least as much legal weight as a napkin that someone took notes on of what someone else was describing to them, maybe, possibly. But, journals would likely have had WAY more detailed information about that day and the concept proposed. And all of the following days. Basically, what we can probably assume is that the journals were a live ongoing account of everything that happened in the building of this company, as well as what was happening behind the scenes personally. It's all hearsay, but they sound incredibly more valuable than an unsigned napkin... that she somehow lost and later found.
It's just... all so stupid. And somehow that's the defense that makes it smart. I think I'm having an aneurysm.
@@alexhayden219 I imagined her journals to take up a few feet of shelf space, but now that you mentioned it, they do only seem to mention it in the singular. As though that slim volume is it complete.
When this was streamed there was no fade in or out. MauLer said "we can stop" and then the stream immediately ended. I was so used to the end segments where people say what they're doing that it took me so off guard I had to laugh. Good stream.
The stream had crashed, supposedly.
@@tobeornottobe5611 If so, incredible timing
I was in the chat for that; it was anarchy
I feel like that Mona Lisa scene is the equivalent of the WW2 baddies or Soviets having lavish public celebrations burning books, paintings, etc to demoralize and demonize opposition... And what's weird is Rian is clearly on the side clapping as his characters gleefully toss art onto the bonfire.
Rian wrote this with in a way where we, as an audience, are supposed to feel a cultural relic being burned is a triumphant moment because a guy that liked it who was also a bastard is personally destroyed.
I don't care about your feelings
I'm with E;R, Miles inviting Andy is baloney.
He destroyed the women, stole everything from her; would you invite an aggrieved former employee to spend the weekend with a group of people she despises.
That would be an unpleasant experience for everyone involved; it's a *stupid* thing to do.
I don’t love it, but they do address it in the movie if I recall. I think Blanc asks one of them who she is, or why she is there, and they reply with something like “he invites her every year but this is the first time she has actually shown up”. This solves the “out of place invite” but it creates a new problem. This is the one time she shows up, and “coincidentally” so does the worlds greatest detective. This should be a huge red flag for Miles obviously, but also everyone else there. They all have something to hide, and something they are worried about. So they should all be on guard 1000%. Miles should have kicked him out, the rest of them should have tried to get him kicked out, or at the very least, not done anything out in the open where he might hear or see. “But they are all idiots” so it’s fine I guess (sarcasm)
@@NickYoung22 Also, Miles killed the real Andi. Why invite someone you murdered? The fifth invite shouldn´t exist. The movie already breaks in the first couple of minutes, it´s insane.
It's even worse than that. Remember: Miles killed her. Why he would send a invitation to her?
@@memester7334 "Why invite someone you murdered" - I'm with Rags on this one. It's an Alibi. It doesn't even need to be believable to the rest of the gang, or the sister. It just needs to be something you can bring up if you're ever in court. "Oh I didn't know she was dead. I even invited her to my party."
This movie has tons of problems, and Nicholas brought up several with the invite, but the idea he sent an invite to a dead woman isn't a problem. It's obviously to make it look like he doesn't know she's dead.
@@MrFluffyWolf there are plenty of real world examples where setting up an alibi actually helped to incriminate a murderer, though. Personally, if I had some relatively public bad blood with the person I murdered, I wouldn't extend the invitation.
made a similar comment in the unlisted version, but I really like the 2 Robert Downey Jr Sherlock Holmes films and a decent part of it is because of the way they obscure information through the use of shots and perspective
Whenever Sherlock is having a moment or picking up on information to discover something, we see it through his perspective and are more likely to notice things that he looks at and more likely to think something that is important if he focuses on it for longer than the other items
A good example of this would be the opera scene. Before they begin pursuit, Sherlock is examining his current surroundings looking for clues that would lead to where the bomb is. In that scene, he (and therefore also us) notice a newspaper, along with some other items, however they are quickly glossed over in favor of some other items (can’t remember them it’s been a while since I’ve seen the film). Based off the other items and clues on hand he concludes that the bomb must be at theatre, where he quickly rushes to. However upon fighting his way through he realizes that he was wrong; the bomb was sent to the hotel. We then get a flash back of the items that Sherlock quickly glanced over, including the newspaper, and 2 people that he ran into near the hotel previously. The reason why the twist is good is because the items in both the scenes are the same, however which ones are focused on is different; they don’t magically appear in the flashback scene despite not being present in the previous scene. Also it helps establish moriarity, the main villain, as competent and threatening since he is able to outwit Sherlock and also call his own skill into question.
TLDR: using the power of perspective and shots helps a twist or reveal be infinitely more believe able and satisfying as opposed to changing what happens in the scene
Great breakdown!
The channel "Pillar of Garbage" is trying to argue against Critical Drinker in defense of Glass Onion. Could be interesting to cover, potentially.
You got your wish
@@katanabluejay
True that! Delightful to see justice enacted upon those that slander.
Honestly, Klear even if it could only be used in specialised reactors would be world shattering. A fuel that you can extract from seawater? If that doesn't cost too much that basically changes the world.
Miles basically solved the energy crisis forever. Do you know how hard is it to store energy? Klear is an unintentional a metaphor for nuclear energy. Climate activists keep pushing for unreliable energy sources like solar and wind (which often create toxic waste) and protest against nuclear energy. There is also that eco terrorist that threw soup at the Van Gogh painting to raise awareness of climate change.
Also, I live in the Mediterranean, and it doesn't work like oceans or like seas in America apparently do, cause we don't have tides, it's too small a sea to have 'em, so the police and boat-ambulance or whatever should have been able to arrive no problem. And if they weren't able cause of tempests or whatever they'd go via helicopter
I think even if the tides were significant, the police have access to beachable rib boats, they can get there anytime of day without a dock.
@@MediumRareOpinions You are absolutely right!
You're assuming Rian knows anything on Earth that happens outside Hollywood.
The problem with this movie is it's impossible to know what was intentionally stupid and what is actually stupid. Here's a pro tip about stupid characters: the choices they make are logical within their understanding of how the world works and you have to adequately EXPLAIN their logic of how their world works so that we, the audience, understands why someone made a stupid choice. The problem with Miles is it's an impossible leap of faith to say he's stupid, he started from nothing and became a billionaire. Even IF he was intellectually stupid he must have been a social genius getting everyone to do what he wants them to do. I also want to add it's problematic and ableist to imply that saying wrong words makes someone stupid and if anything implies Miles may have a learning disability (that's awfully unwoke of you Rian to make fun of someone's ability to talk or ability to remember certain things) but I suppose since Miles is a billionaire despite his mental handicap we're allowed to berate him.
In a mystery film character writing, plausibility and attention to detail are the most important parts, Glass Onion fails on all three points. The mystery of this movie only came from the film's WILLFUL obfuscation of information. This movie is not watchable more than once once you realize how stupid it is.
I think it’d be very funny were you to
In Kaiji manga, while the characters do stupid things and mistakes, theres always a rational explanation for it (Paranoia, overthinking, or emotional stress). It makes the story tense while kinda predictable in the end.
In this movie, the characters have to be made very dumb without reason so the story can work. While the story became "unpredictable", it have no suspense
when you watch it to laugh at people who think it's super cle er and meta, it can be enjoyed in its stupidity of stupidity... like pro wrestling but pro wrestling is still a remarkable demonstration of skill while being stupid
Yeah. It's basically the same as "but he's craaaaazy, he'll do whatever the plot needs him to do." Each person's insanity works in a specified direction, outside of which they might seem perfectly normal, amiable, and reasonable. The same should apply to stupidity.
It reminds me a bit of Harley Quinn versus Jinx. They're the same basic type of character, but Jinx (in Arcane, at least) is very detailed and understandable and tragic in her psychosis. Harley is usually someone that just does whatever the writer wants her to do at any given moment because ShE's CrAaAzY!!!1!
There's nothing deep about Miles's stupidity. It's incredibly inconsistent and nonsensical. So is the stupidity of every other character.
So duke is deathly allergic to pineapple....to the point where a drop will kill him in seconds......and he doesn't travel with an EpiPen???
Yep, nonsense.
Was it just me thinking it was going to be that someone put the klear in his glass because it looks like an ice cube to poison him?
I was waiting for his body to detonate on the table since Rian seems to enjoy grotesque out of place body horror.
The dude was more concerned about having a pistol next to his junk when swimming than an epi pen , they probably had an epi pen there but it's in his room cause he would expect his friends to not fucking poison him lol this is a guy who will use his girlfriend like a prostitute then try to blackmail a guy in the middle of the party , he is dumb
Duke don't dance with medicine
He is anti-epinephrin and likes boobs.
Regarding the reaction to Drinker's tweet: the idea that it's foolish for someone to analyze a mystery film in the way that mystery films are analyzed is missing the point of a self-styled mystery film is 100% gaslighting nonsense. A genre film is not a pop song.
The “twin sister” plot element is on the same level as “the memory store” in terms of massive plot convenience.
I feel the "twin surprise" work better if Helen actually not a twin, but do extensive surgery to make her look like Andi. While it sounds dumb, it makes more sense than everyone there don't know Andi have a twin.
In it's defense, there *are* good ways to do the hidden twin plot. This is not one of them.
On the topic of police getting to the island. I watched a coalition of local police, sheriff departments from three counties, and a few bass boats with side scanning sonar pressed into service from a fishing tournament scour the lake looking for the body of a drunk who wasn't quite as good of a swimmer as the thought he was the night before. This was within 8 hours of when he jumped into the lake. If the police want to get on an island an underwater dock is not going to stop them.
Especially in greece, where they have a lot of water and islands
It's crazy how Matrix Resurrection, She-Hulk, and this movie have the same defense of, "Well, they were self-aware of their bad quality, so it most be brilliant." Like, lampshading your own shitty writing might be the most overplayed and lazy trope in recent years.
Indeed. Shining a spotlight on your own bad writing is not a justification for said bad writing; all it does is draw attention to said bad writing.
Lampshading, like anything in writing, can be done well and done poorly, and a lot of stuff recently has been examples of lampshading done poorly.
@@matthewmuir8884 Shining a spotlight on your own bad writing is not a justification for said bad writing; all it does is create a legion of fans to defend your work by saying we're missing the point.
I can see why it's overplayed.
Depend on how it displayed. She-Hulk is really bad offender because situation and the actress delivery are made to mock the fan, more contempt than self deprecation, an arrogant display of writing. Like "Oh my, even the character complain about the story, your complain not matter"
(Haven't seen Matrix nor Glass Onion yet, no plan to)
@@hafirenggayuda True, but even self-deprecation examples can fall flat, since, at its worst, it's basically telling the audience, "I am an insecure enough writer that I thought I might get mocked if I didn't acknowledge that I was using this trope".
Personally, I think the best examples of lampshading are the ones that are done in order to call out a trope for comedy before the story then immediately _defies_ that trope. For example, in Spirit Tracks, Zelda tells Link that he needs to save Hyrule and then says, "You have a very important mission ahead of you. I shall wait for you here. That's what we princesses have always done; from what I understand, it's kind-of a family tradition", lampshading that the Princess Zeldas in Zelda games are normally on the sidelines, only for someone to immediately point out to her: "Why don't you accompany him?" and that's exactly what happens: the rest of the game has Link and Zelda work together.
@@matthewmuir8884 as for me, I think a good example is like the first Max Payne, an easter egg where he found out he's in a video game and graphic novel. Medium awareness and making fun of themselves, but contained and not overdoing the joke.
And then there's Stanley Parable, which is good narrative game buuuut some of the narration are tiring. Kinda hit and miss. Sometimes I found the narrator amusing, other times I want to strangle him to stop talking
My dad loves the old Hercule Poirot movies, and he enjoys pausing the movies to list off everything he knows to see if he can figure out who the killer is. And he often gets it right.
With this movie, he did the same, and at the end, he was like, "That didn't make sense."
It subverts for subversions sake. Just like another film he made. From near the beginning i could tell none of the invitees were the killer, so I assumed the billionaire guy was. Which was true, but we dont even learn about the murder central to the story until 3/4 of the way through which makes any intrigue up to that point meaningless. So many say it needs a rewatch to understand but no, it really doesnt, it lou of being subtle it just simply gives you wrong info or right info woth the wrong context. Real boring for me at least.
@@ancientflames I assumed the subversion would be the random friend introduced and vanished in the span of five seconds after arriving on the island. That this was going to be a complex murder mystery, with the twist being that the random couch-surfer friend killed someone and revealed it accidentally and obviously, making the entire friendship-destroying search pointless.
Your father just wasn't dumb enough to get it. For shame.
Your dad seems like a good guy. I pray he’s got plenty of good murder mysteries to watch for now on.
So the movie's morals are fuck rich people when Rian Johnson has a net worth of 150 million dollars?
AOC, Bernie Sanders and countless other say the same.
I am sure there are many actors that say it.......
Of course none of them mean it.
Just like TLJ (casino arc) and KO.
I say RJ hate the rich people, but loves their money
It's a pretty common human trait (being this self-unaware).
Mostly I see it in alcoholics rolling around in their own filth while spewing bile and obscenities at "disgusting drunkards". Of course they get indignant and go full denial if you point out the hypocrisy.
It's more "fuck people _richer than me"_
Based on how the antagonist acts I'm assuming he's meant to be compared to Elon Musk, someone with billions to their name rather than millions.
Comparatively speaking it's like a story where someone with a few thousand dollars manages to 'stick it to' the big wig with millions.
Like all Hollywood duch bags, he thinks hes poor.
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It's funny. Johnson clearly wanted a movie where the most likely suspect is revealed to be the victim, meanwhile the self professed victim is revealed to be the killer, he just created a character in Helen who doesn't seem remotely like a villain until the finale. Kinda ruins the effect.
It's been the exact same formula with both of his Knives Out movies: where most Whodunnit mysteries establish an even pool of suspects and narrows it down, he establishes an even pool of disposable characters, introduces two characters with extra emphasis on them, and it's obvious that one is the culprit and the other isn't.
In the first movie: the rich family that's there at the beginning is the pool of disposable characters, leaving only the nurse and Chris Evans' character. It can't be the nurse because the audience is shown her role in the victim's death and it's obvious because of the movie's huge remaining runtime that there has to be more than what we saw, so that just leaves Chris Evans' character by process of elimination using only the plainly visible hand of the author and not anything the characters could use to solve the mystery.
The film to me has zero tension because we all know that the colored character can never be the real murderer.
In regards to the viscosity issue in knives out, I watched the movie for the first time with my sister, and in the very beginning she was confused at how a nurse could even make the mistake of mixing those medicines up as the viscosity is so different that it would be obvious what was in your hands.
This has to be the most Rian Johnson movie by far--an absolute refusal of reverence to everything, *especially* art and culture. And for what? To *surprise* us?
Well, you certainly got me. I had no *idea* someone could devote *this* much energy to what amounts to childish spite.
Our boy Ryan sure does likes to destroy what people love doesn't he? He neutered Star wars with the whole "kill the past" shtick, now he's cathartically having his creations destroy one of the most important and beloved pieces of art of all time.
He's even destroying things that fans of the first Knives Out movie loved; I kid you not. When the first one released, easily the most popular fan theory was that Benoit's accent was fake and that he'd use a different accent in each film. After this film, Rian admitted in an interview that he originally was going to do exactly that, but he decided against it; claiming that the accent in the first movie had become too "iconic". …Leaving aside the ridiculous idea that anything in these films is "iconic"; he clearly decided against it because fans theorized it.
Does he not realize that, if he goes so far as to upset his own fans, there will be no one left?
@@matthewmuir8884 being disappointing is the only thing that lets him coom anymore.
@@matthewmuir8884 I notice the trend for "subverting expectation" can be simplified as: not giving fans what they like/want. Worse is, they (not just Rian) think its a smart thing to do
@@matthewmuir8884 don't worry. they aren't intelligent enough to care. Because they were told "That's just stupid."
A lot of people are saying Miles is supposed to be a parody of Elon Musk, and while I wouldn't be surprised if that was what Rian was going for, I really don't understand the comparison. The parallels between Elon and Miles are:
1. Rich white man
2. That's it
I guess if that was what he was going for, we can just add "Elon Musk" to the long list of things Rian apparently doesn't understand.
While it's not a 1 to 1 comparison, the ideas are the same. Rich white man is evil because he won't give everything he earned to the oppressed people who did nothing but waste resources and time.
I think it's also because they both own tech company who invent new things and do eccentric things to draw attention, a bit narcist
I mean the parallels were pretty blatant. Musk is basically Miles irl. Elon piggybacked off of the ideas of others and wants everyone to pretend he isn’t some guy who’s family was already rich. He didn’t “invent electric cars” like some people wrongfully believe, he didn’t found Tesla, he sucks at running twitter and he is consistently wrong about shit he pretends to know about. Elon Musk wouldn’t be a billionaire without the brilliant engineers that are actually responsible for any positive developments at his companies. Even if you don’t think it’s a parody of a Musk himself, it is absolutely a parody of his public perception. It is completely disingenuous to pretend that Musk and Miles aren’t incredibly similar.
Ryan, along side the many things, doesn’t understand how fuel works. He basically says that our main antagonist’s fuel source is bad because it’s hydrogen based and sights the Hindenburg as a reason that’s bad. Except the Hindenburg used hydrogen as a lifting gas not as fuel which is why it was bad. As a source of fuel hydrogen being flammable isn’t a bad thing because most fuel is flammable. The real issue is hydrogen doesn’t burn efficiently enough for us to justify using it for fuel. If clear makes hydrogen a viable as fuel then the issue isn’t a matter of it being combustible it’s that whatever system they’re using clear in doesn’t have sufficient safe guards in place. If that’s the case then the real idiot is the dead sister because she lost her whole business because she tried to tank a company because their renewable energy source is flammable like all fuel.
Scooby-Doo did the Glass Onion concept better
There is a episode where the creepy guy was actually the villian, but Freddy refused to believe it because it was too obvious
Heck, even Knives Out inavertently delivered that concept better without spelling it out to the viewer. Who was the bad guy in Knives Out? Did you think it was the guy that had the LOUDEST VERBAL ARGUMENT WITH THE VICTIM??? Well... actually, you would be right. That was the bad guy in Knives Out.
Hot Fuzz did it better... Simple murder, simple reason, characters blew the situation up to something more than it was.
Indeed. Hot Fuzz was brilliant. One reason for that is that the writers for that film spent just as much time proofreading and rewriting the script as they did writing the first draft. I don't know if there are any writers remaining today who submit something other than the first draft.
You see, Rian's plan is to release bad movies so that one day in the future, he'll subvert our expectations by making a good movie.
The real subversion will be when the producers have guards remove him from the premises.
And then his current fans will downplay the quality of that movie, saying that people only like it because it was "what they wanted" - and we'll be like, "yes, indeed, we wanted a good movie", and then they'll be like, "wow, you just admitted you're a bunch of racists"
We're living in a simulation inside a glass onion made of Klear.
I can't remember the last time I have seen a director be this pathetically spiteful towards not only movie goers but anything that people say are beloved. Every decision in the Last Jedi only exists because he wants to tear SW down and spit on it. He purposely make directing decisions that destroy fan theories because he doesn't want you to predict where his story goes, not because of good writing and again it's spiteful. You have people like Tom Cruise who do what they do because they're passionate about the craft and they legitimately want the audience to have a good time and will love you back you for supporting them, but Ryan is the polar opposite and he hates all of us.
The first whodunit where you can solve the mystery without even watching the movie.
Cast :
Diverse female character
Diverse male character
One white dude
Gues who the killer is 😊
*Second.
The first was "Knives Out."
Dude you'd hate me if I told you how i figured it out😂😂.
I went to watch it with my brother, and 15 mins in I was like I know the fucking story (I wasn't sure but like 95% sure that this would be the basics).
1. The opening of the movie pretty much showed how heavily politicised it is, then it was merely using the woke logic.
2. Eco friendly senator (not guilty), black guy (not guilty/possible victim), blonde (idiot), Benoit (obviously innocent), Andy (black, oppressed and wronged, obviously primary victim), Duke (radical right winger, sissy to his mom, idiot - Deserves to die, so one of the victims as often there are additional deaths to hide the killer in murder mysteries)
Miles - Rich, Throws guitar and ostentatious entry (obviously supposed to be pretentious with no real intelligence), pushed victim girl out of her company..... obviously the killer.
The best part was when for the next 5 minutes I led my brother towards this with clue..and watched all the excitement drown from his face😂
*Edit - The only part that bugged me was, Andy shouldn't be dying because she's female and black, so she needs to defeat the rich evil guy. She can't lose to him. That was the 5% that bugged me...when she was shot and Benoit said she ain't going anywhere I was like yeah....she isn't dead yet😂😂😂.
One point you guys didn't mention. Andy is presumably named Cassandra because Miles didn't heed her warnings about the magic rock. Is Helen named that because Miles's house represents Troy, and she destroyed it, even though Helen didn't personally burn down Troy?
If that's what Rian meant, she should have been named after one of the attackers like Ulysses, because of the Trojan Horse aspect of her plot.
43:00 In terms of demonstrating character, does it make sense that Helen the sister smash the box open? Ought she to have the same vitriol against Miles when she doesn't know he killed Andy?
1:07:10 If Miles loves analogue so much why does he use haptic feedback bracelets instead of keys
1:24:20 'Is that a telephonic facsimile contraption?' -Benoit Blanc
1:45:10 Perhaps Benoit carries the hot sauce in order to pull a Drake on any unsavoury ladies he encounters.
1:47:30 If the Mona Lisa weren't absurdly involved in the plot, it could be a good gag.
If a guest said something like 'That's a copy, right?' and Miles said 'Yes, definitely…', or if this were a campier film like Batman & Robin, it might simply be in the background of the Bat-cave.
2:05:00 A 'B' in the topiary? The brand name of the crossbow? These are clues the Riddler would set up, they aren't clues in a murder mystery.
2:39:30 Isn't Banksy a graffiti artist? What does that have to do with docks?
'The police boats' being unable to arrive is fine because really, most people don't know what a helicopter is.' -Just Write, probably.
3:26:25 Blanc may not be a bodyguard, but he could at least bring a gun and advise her to do the same.
3::32:00 Miles ought to know whether he and Andy were publicly chummy, which would determine whether sending the box was a smart move. If they weren't, it would be a conspicuous pretence that she was still alive.
3:44:20 'To my future biographers.' Wow, your sister was really conceited.
3:46:30 So Andy saw potential in them but Miles did all the legwork to make it happen? So Andy wrote on a napkin but Miles built the company?
3:55:00 If Andy wrote that napkin, she has the intellectual property of what is written on that napkin, absolutely. That doesn't mean spit regarding ownership of the company.
3:59:50 When Blanc says he is bad at dumb things, does he just call his failures dumb things?
4:02:00 Res Judicata applies, which is like double jeopardy. Andy would have to file an appeal with the presumption in favour of the verdict, i.e. Miles, and the court would have to bend over backwards to admit this new evidence.
4:09:00 If Miles has evidence of Andy saying she wants to burn it all down, acting against the company's interests, he ought to be able to have her removed from the partnership anyways.
4:14:00 If the Klear is moved in *gas* form in *gas* pipes how would the hydrogen *gas* leak from the *gas* pipes.
If the Klear produces hydrogen when it combusts the hydrogen should just combust at the same time inside the generator. How is this fuel more dangerous than propane or butane or natural gas?
4:32:30 Helen marks down on her card that Duke has motive after seeing his girlfriend with Miles, but isn't she looking for motive to kill Andy, not kill Miles?
4:38:20 The napkin is so important the killer wouldn't leave it at home, but it's not so precious that he would keep it on his person, the way Helen is carrying her journal.
5:48:00 This ending is a joke. Helen is like those protesters that throw cans of paint all over precious works of art. Afaik, most people condemn them, not the paint cans.
If she gets the others to lie and shift the blame to Miles, it would be a grave injustice in-universe. She is a monster.
It doesn't matter. Rian can drop in an infinite amount of faux symbolism and it still would've just be "sounding deep" instead of actual depth.
People commented that the fact that he named one of the evil white men "Walt" in the first film is a secret jab at Walt Disney, to which I said, who cares.
Helen is a disgrace that launched a thousand shills.
Thank you for the further breakdown of this movie with very good points.
The Prestige did a significantly better job at doing the "obvious answer is the best answer" gambit than Glass Onion did, and the Prestige didnt have to lie to its viewers in order to get there.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. The Prestige is one of my favourite movies and it does this soooo much better and smarter.
Hot Fuzz did so as well. All the motives for the murders and the potential suspects were right there, plain as day for the audience to see.
Prestige is garbage
Loved that Ryan Johnson level subversive ending to an EFAP when it happened live also I love how the guy whose all about analog and owners a fax machine but no cell phone owns a Porsche 918 Spyder and gave everyone digital wristbands that operates off of haptic feedback.
Oh gods twas not expecting this. 😂 As someone who enjoyed Knives Out, I couldn't begin to explain my disappointment with Glass Onion. I'm almost scared to rewatch Knives Out, I think the spell is broken
Coincidences, dumb luck, conveniences, I don't think storytelling is his speciality.
My family watched Knives Out before Glass Onion. The drop-off is real. Knives Out still has flaws, but they're the same flaws you'd remember. You won't be super disappointed, though you might see it in a new light.
@@trygveplaustrum4634 interesting. Yes I'm definitely gonna have to give it a watch. It's easily going to be a new Thanksgiving classic in my family, next to Kill Bill for some reason 🤣. But I'm not sure if I'll be able to enjoy it as much.
@@BbNaB I see the light and it burnssss
@@GrecianWarlock If I might add a caveat. In Knives Out, I regarded the political talk as very blunt but fairly realistic. I could imagine a similar conversation played out in real life. When watching the absurd, blatant political talk of Glass Onion, I don't think Rian intended it that way originally.
Modern Hollywood litterally killed the murder mystery genre. Once you know that diverse charcater and women can't be the killer, everyone becomes Benoit Blanc. Try, it works everytime !
Dread it, run from it, Johnson still arrives.
Regarding Andi dying and the media not getting the story, that’s absurd. Kobe died and the world knew before his wife did. Michael Jackson died and TMZ had that story right away. A source in the police department would’ve run to TMZ with the story.
Especially when she just lost a massive suit over a multi billion dollar empire and is still in the public light
I feel that Rian Johnson is under the impression that he has written a character that is at the level of Sherlock Holmes without understanding even the most basics of inductive and deductive reasoning, and writing scripts in which any evidence that could allow the audience to engage in such critical thought is literally impossible.
Helen has her hair dyed blonde in her first scene which takes place before meeting Blanc.Masterpiece my ass
It's unforgivable how much the writer cheats with the audience's perception, lies to them, or even straight up gaslights them.
I can't believe so many people are just fine with this style of writing. Worse, some of them think it's genius that the writer just gets to make stuff up mid-story...
The moment Blanc completely missed Duke's pistol missing, I called bullshit on the entire film. Blanc was established in the first film as the guy who can notice a tiny bloodstain on a shoe of a suspect. Yet now his observational power is briefly turned off just so for the plot to happen. Bull-fucking-shit! Rian Johnson doesn't even remember the traits he established for his protagonist.
Bit of a nitpick, but Miles likes analog technology, yet he has his guests find and unlock their rooms with haptic feedback watches? Sounds a bit advanced, tech wise
Rian Johnson clearly does not understand technology or what terminology actual means analog, haptic, or crypto actual means.
"i like analog. by the way, this advance wristband will be the only key to your room and only compatible with the specific person. also also, check out my security system for my Mona Lisa."
Dude the fact they justify the obvious stupid stuff by saying it's because the guys so stupid is one of the worst things I've seen in a mystery movie
OK. So they try to say that he's stupid, but the way that he killed Andi and set it up as a suicide was a really smart plan? And it completely worked, the authorities ruled it suicide?
@@tevenpowell8023 it’s kinda like how you’re an idiot but you can figure out how to type.
@@testcase6997 Thank you. You've really proven a point. I have now completely changed my outlook on this movie, and it's all thanks to this insightful comment
@@tevenpowell8023 I don’t know why you’re talking. Do you know what’s going to happen? :)
@@tevenpowell8023 Just doing it at all when he has the most motive to do so is idiotic IN HIS ONE OF A KIND VEHICLE- but otherwise yeah. He's not completely incompetant evidently to be a billionaire but it's the obvious stuff that character just doesn't think about.
OH MY GOD he even steals the idea to use his lighter only after another character asks "why didn't you just burn it?" That's funny.
He probably googled "best ways to commit suicide" and weny with the top result.
"that's not a twist, you lied."- customer at bobs burgers
I'm happy to see E;R getting comfortable on EFAP, considering his first outing had him saying like 5 words
The Leto “it’s Morbin juice!” caused me to shoot hot coffee out of my nose, you’ll be hearing from my solicitors!!
Underrated Mootal comment
Rian has achieved what I thought was impossible. He’s convinced people that intentionally making low quality movies is good.
The defense of Glass Onion is that it’s low quality and that makes it good.
But if it’s good then it’s not low quality.
“The movie is intentionally dumb, that’s what makes it clever.”
It’s contradictory. Intentionally aiming low requires no skill or talent. There’s no value in it.
this is gonna become the new "12 hours reacting to Jenny Nicholson's joker video" meme watch, it's gonna be the thumbnail for this video next to that tweet with the urban dictionary definition of a glass onion 😂
Some guy, Pillar of Garbage(aptly named for his takes) made a video recently calling Critical Drinker's video on Glass Onion "out". Thought it'd be something you guys would want to check out.
I’ve been coming back to this video for months. As an aspiring writer, I use it as a freakin’ textbook. The EFAP crew has essentially created what is, “The Ultimate Guide To How NOT To Write A Movie.”
You don't invite someone to a super exclusive murder mystery party on an exclusive island after absolutely destroying their lives. It is not a logical decision, characterization aside.
“Mauler is killing Art”
Rian: Hold my hot sauce
Imagine not being based unlisted version haver and listening to this inferior version which is a whole second shorter.
Pathetic.
So here's something to point out that people on twitter missed and proved how stupid they are. So the Glass Onion song is supposed to make fun of people who look deeper into a subject when it doesn't need to be. i.e. Looking for satanic summoning in certain songs. Now what this means is that what you get, in this case song, is what it is. That is the point of Glass Onion. Now the movie Glass Onion is stupid at face value. The song/story is just dumb and simple. There is nothing worth looking deeper into. For twitter to say that Glass Onion movie isn't supposed be dug deeper is to openly admit that the face value of the movie is dumb, stupid and valueless. That last thing you ever want to admit of a product that is supposed to be well made is to admit in it's lack of value. Twitter again admit to something and don't realize they do.
Listening to EFAP talk about this movie feels like how Adam Sandler movies are made. Adam Sandler basically uses studio money to invite his friends to go to a fancy vacation spot, spend a few hours a day filming, and then spend the rest of the day partying. Why would these expensive actors continue to sign on to Rian Johnson films? They don't seem to be passion projects or actual jobs like comic book movies. They don't seem to be directed all that much and are allowed to do whatever, but being paid to go on a vacation? Sounds like a good deal.
One good thing I would say about Glass Onion and Knives Out (don't think it applies to TLJ and I am not that familiar with the rest of RJ's work) is that the actors seem to have a lot of fun doing these movies. Not sure about the rest of the team but I can imagine the set being quite lively and light-hearted.
Might be miserable if you realize how shitty the script is, but I can definitely see them all goof around during filming and even go out for dinner after and have a laugh about how silly what they did and said that day.
Thing is, Adam Sandler always delivers. He promises a wholesome family movie in an exotic location, and that's exactly what he gives the audience.
Poor Doomer. His friends are discussing films and he’s stuck inside grinding his ass off playing games for the past 30 years.
Dude don't turn the comments section into an argument it's not an argument
@@nicholasscott5905 why not? It's the purpose of a comments section
@@Tex300 besause this isn't a debate
@@nicholasscott5905 Arlo lol
Doomer hangs around in Sitch&Adam chat.
If everyone has their room keys in their wristbands, how was helen able to go through everyone's rooms before the blackout?
on the topic of fictional detectives playing clue, Monk.
I distinctly remember the episode where they played Clue with Monk and as soon as they started he correctly guessed the killer.
When asked how he worked it out he says he didn't but he remembered the order the cards were in last time they played and he was watching the child shuffle the cards this time.
Anyways I thought that was a neat meta-joke about Monk's process and this movie sucks
If Ryan Johnson wants to keep subverting expectations, eventually he’ll have make something adequate.
Rian is the male version of the She-Hulk writer. He utterly hates his audience and delights in pissing them off. He's a true nihilist.
That Mona Lisa tackle was the “I don’t want to get canceled” tackle
Not only would Duke not have reacted the way they had him, normally, but he was also pretty drunk as well. So a tipsy/drunk Duke figured it all out instantly.......
One of the major problems with this movie is that none of the side characters are interesting enough to warrant suspicion.
At the outset, it's obviously either Andi or Miles. They're the only two that matter to the story; all the others are dumb caricatures.
I was hoping for Andi, but obviously Rian's too incompetent (sorry, "subversive") to make that twist.
Indeed. It was a similar problem as the first movie: it was either the nurse or Chris Evans' character because they were the only ones with any particular emphasis placed on them, and it was obvious upfront that it wasn't the nurse because we see her role early on, so it had to be Chris Evans' character.
The point of a Whodunnit story is to start with an even pool of suspects and gradually narrow it down, but Rian has the pool narrowed down to 1 or 2 only thirty minutes into each movie.
With modern Hollywood, it's always the straight white man. In glass onion, there was only one among the suspects, so the movie felt very long once you've noticed...
It was great to see DasBoSchitt on a topical podcast again... it had been quite a while...