Happy Hour #5 - Knives Out (feat. MauLer, Rags and Metalcommander)
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- Опубликовано: 19 сен 2024
- Join MauLer, Rags, Metal and myself as we try (and fail!) to make sense of Rian Johnson's whodunnit, Knives Out.
Link to MauLer's channel: / themauleryt
Link to Rag's channel: / @rags
Link to Metalcommander's channel: / miezcommander
How to end this film in ten minutes:
Police: We would like to talk to you about your father's death.
Actor: Do you suspect foul play?
Police: We haven't ruled it out.
Actor: Okay. I will only answer questions in the presence of my lawyer, and I am certain he will object to having a civilian present during the interview. I am calling him now, and none of the family will answer any further questions. Please leave the premises immediately and only return with a warrant if and when you are given one.
Later: Coroner rules the death a suicide.
THE END. Directed by Rian Johnson.
I assume in any universe that involved police they don’t have cop shows. Because if our education system failed you and didn’t tell you about the right to have an attorney than Law and Order should have.
I’ll let it slide, I mean, it is a murder mystery, so its a genre thing. Though it would make sense to set the movie in like the 19th century or earlier. This wont work for RJ though because he can’t shit on modern whites within that framework.
@@zarlei6048 Letting it slide is accepting dead ends in a genre of solving improbable puzzles - where the writer has to be smarter than the work, smarter than the puzzles.
It is an acceptance that the writers of the genre are too stupid for their own story, and should not strive to be clever writers.
Speaking on Law and Order, sure they didn't have Law and Order TV shows 100 years ago, but there were not only plenty of novels, but the average person had the papers where these stories were also published (which would become collected and/or published in works known as pulp fiction magazines), and a socialite family as in the movie would be the ones to avidly read those, and by that they would learn from equivalent, if not the same, information as the TV show. Shit, the characters even own an empire of publishing murder mystery books, they should already know this stuff.
Making the characters ignorant does not work in this genre, just destroys it.
Even Kenneth Branagh understood the intelligence of the genre to a degree with his adaptations of the Poirot books (whether the movies were actually good and he succeeded is very up for debate, but he did try at least).
I do have to agree that he does have an agenda that acts as essentially the theme (which we all know that themes matter over story (I can't even right that seriously)) that setting it over 100 years ago would make it not viable (or at least a whole lot less viable).
@@zarlei6048 Wrong. A murder mystery that doesn’t want to keep up with modern technology should be set in a different time period or should be in a remote location like with Agatha Christie novels. Regular shows like CSI or House have more logic and than this garbage.
orrrrrrr if harland wanted it to be seen as a suicide.......tell Marla to take the syringe she used on him and flush it, then give him a fresh one and make it look like he stole her morphine and accidentally OD'd
On the nurse thing, I'm reminded of a line from Scrubs.
"Doug wanted me to give this patient 200,000mg of morphine. I thought I'd check with you before I killed the man."
I have worked with supervisors like that, not in medical situations.
It was 500,000 but yeah.
Something-something-this side of the political spectrum-something:
"All opinions are valid and proper dosage is subjective."
Medical science:
" *Kek* "
Why?
Knives Out could easily be a case study for Rian Johnson's formula:
--He loves his side plots too much. And he'll keep them even if they eat up the main plot.
--He'll waste good characters for a joke. Daniel Craig isn't the last of the gentleman sleuths, he's a caricature. (RJ did the same with Hux on The Last Jedi)
--Cannot have a protagonist who isn't 110% pure. Will force-feed you till you believe they are pure. (Rey, Rose Tico, Superman Leia)
--What is genre? Willing to sacrifice mystery for comedy, infuses needless drama and forces long dialogue-heavy arguments just to fit one joke or make a socio-political point.
(TLJ Cantobyte section)
Hm.
I don't really want to watch Brick or Looper or The Brothers Bloom (though the last is a comedy, from the looks of things, hard to say if it'd maintain his shortcomings).
But I am curious how this applies.
To be honest he looks like the guy who watched all Terrible Wirting Advice episodes and took the "advice" seriously.
@@troo_6656 In at least 1 interview, Rian said that he doesn't think a film he made is worthwhile if everyone praises it, and that he loves it when the movies he makes create an equal number of fans and haters.
nadrewod999
That’s a terrible outlook
To be fair, if you’re a *good* writer, you can mix genre.
In fact, it’s pretty much unavoidable if the scale of your project is big enough.
Example : political intrigue, comedy, romance, spy and detective stories, action adventure and drama, are all found within the prequels and, for most of the above, the OT.
But here’s the catch : you have to be a good writer.
Hence why pretty much everyone agree that RotS is, if not better at least on par with epIV or VI, whereas epVIII is widely hated and frequently considered the worst or second worst sequel.
"Blasters Out: A Star Wars Murder Mystery" by Rian Johnson
A murder is committed in a Tatooine cantina, and a diverse group of aliens try to figure out who killed gender-fluid bounty hunter Greedo. A diverse, brunette, white lady called Eve Boonta, who writes mystery stories, has the cantina immediately locked down and no one is allowed to leave, so she can figure out: 'who done it?'
The plot twists and turns and subverts expectations, including a 20 minute subplot where two minority characters try to find a clue in the laundromat next door, but in the end they don't find anything. It's also very funny, with awkward jokes shoved into dramatic moments, and slapstick and farts. At first, everyone had suspected it was the toxic white male deadbeat smuggler Han Solo who had killed Greedo, and in the end it's revealed that yes, he did it.
Best ORIGINAL Screenplay
but did he shoot first tho?
daystillnight Actually no... he did.
PURPLEY VIOLETY If you look very very very carefully, at 2x speed, with broken sunglasses, with a bright spot directed at the screen, it seems like Han actually shoots second.
Now take all of this out and just watch the movie normally, and you’ll see that in fact, Han shot second.
@@nathanjora7627 tell me you own one of the special editions without telling me you own one of the special editions
1:36:00 Odd that Ransom is so confident he's going to get off for aggravated assault, two counts of attempted murder, obstruction of justice, and arson.
Marta is a nurse. I'm an EMT and I can tell you there is zero way that morphine would have killed him because a) no one in the medical profession takes an opioid anywhere without the reversal drug Narcan, and b) opioid overdoses don't just kill you dead, it stops your breathing- if she had called for help, kept breathing for him and waited, that overdose could have been reversed and he would have been fine.
This movie lost me at that moment because it was so illogical I almost died.
There's also the fact that it wouldn't even have been an overdose. The bottles came in concentrations of 30/mL and 5/mL, ketorlac and morphine respectively. If she had given him a 100mg dosage of ketorlac, that would've amounted to 3.3mL. That's equal to 16.9mg of morphine. The normal medical dosage is between 20mg and 30mg. He would've been fine regardless.
Wasn't the twist that the actual murderer stole the Narcan from her bag?
Drinker: "It would be much easier if this took place somewhere isolated where the lone detective wouldn't be able to use police procedure to figure things out."
Me: "Like a train to the Orient? Or a boat on the Nile?"
Or an island with a storm preventing access? Or just an isolated island?
Or on a plane so the number of suspects is still limited?
Or have the killer be smart enough to not get instagibbed by the police?
Agreed, Agatha Christie is a bit better of a writer than those that made this.
OG Murder on the Orient Express is actually good. I chose to watch that version when they released the new one in theaters.
@@thorinhannahs4614 I love the original.
@@dodojesus4529 or in a hotel during a massive snowstorm where the roads are blocked
Can four critics shit on Rian Johnson for three-and-a-half hours straight?
"Hmm... it'll be tight, but I _think_ we can squeeze it all in."
they're not critics, they're fanboys...but, yeah, you can shit on him in ten minutes 😂😂
The film truly lost me when they said Martha can recognize fluids by their viscosity. I'm a Juveline diabetic and have been giving myself shots of 2-3 different medicines a day for over twelve years, and this has never been something I've experienced or heard of from a nurse. It is extremely easy to dose yourself with the wrong insulin/other medication if you don't carefully inspect and differentiate the bottles. Martha is just sloppy.
I understand it's a minor detail, in truth, but Rian's script relies so much on them telling you things that are on-the-face untrue and you willingly believing it.
Yeah I accidentally give myself my over-night insulin instead of my meal-time insulin once in a blue moon. I've been a juvenile diabetic for almost 10 years. If it were dark I could not differentiate between the two.
Yeah, all people make mistakes and it's alright. But when you're a narcissist like Rian who needs to constantly remind the audience how smart and clever he is, it makes for a bigger fail when you found the several dumb dialogue and idiotic plot points he constantly puts on his scripts.
Absolutely, my Dad’s been a diabetic for 30+ years. The amount of times he’s accidentally taken long acting instead of short acting insulin (or vice versa) isn’t very surprising.
@@beardedbjorn5520 My dad was a type 1 diabetic too (we likely have a Trait lol), and I remember us having to take him to the hospital multiple times because he mixed up the bottles in his middle/old age. The only explanation for Matha's supernatural ability to distinguish between medications in identical bottles is...well...supernatural!
@@DunkSouth Oh yeah man, I bet. Thankfully that gene skipped me man lol
The real twist should've been that Marta purposely gave the dude the over dose
That’s a bit of a tired trop and wouldn’t really work considering Martha’s personality.
A real but stupid twist would’ve been that nobody did it, it’s just that during packaging in the factory they used the wrong sticker.
@@nathanjora7627 if martha's personality was a fake to set up for the crime with some hints through out and maybe the lie throw up thing was a put on to give her credibility that could have been interesting
shotgunjackalQ ... Honestly if she was a fake, I don’t know how credible it would’ve been.
I mean, it seem to me even more contrived than her not lying. For how much time would she have needed to do that sort of thing, how and when did she learn to throw up on command, how much of a red flag would it have raised if she had tried making up this lie, etc.
Marta is definitely the villain of the movie. Daniel Craig got played. I thought it was obvious.
@@orgANGmo Daniel Craig seemed to already know.
Just watched Glass Onion and wanted to see what Drinker said about Knives Out. Found it hilarious that he literally said this could only work if it took place on a remote island where the cops could not get there because reasons. Kinda wondering if Ryan watched this before writing Glass Onion.
He just decided to remove cops, since they apparently didn't search the dead lady's apartment.
Man, it's odd how ~maybe~ RJ saw the critical response and ~maybe~ took some advice, but still managed to be an average chimp-at-a-typewriter.
~Maybe~ he's just kinda shite at writing stories, idk, I'm just some internet anon.
Careful what you wish for Drinker 😆
The drinker: "You Jackass"
Ryan Johnson: 🤨
The drinker: "Your one movie with any panache at all, and you stole the idea from me"
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She throws up when she lies. She cant stand it if someone else lies.
But she is totally fine destroying evidence. Because thats not lying?
It’s technically covering up the truth.
No.
YUSA, Ironic Moronic why?
@@PViolety
Covering up the truth, by pretending that the tapes were damaged outside of her control...
Which would be lying, right?
Clever Comment yeah
In a murder mystery I would think that the writing would be the _most important thing_
I would even say it's elementary, dear Howard.
you mean someone can do more than one draft of the script?
That's not what sherlock taught Hollywood!
@Dr. M. H. I'm willing to believe that Michael Bay would direct a better murder mystery than Ruin Johnson
Exactly. Mystery stories are all about the plotting and character motivations. If you don't have those elements down to a T, you don't have a story.
As a detective I always allow murder suspects to play important roles in my investigations and regularly handle/interfere with key evidence. I also sporadically speak like Foghorn Leghorn.
The VHS sequence reminds me a lot of how the vhs recorded security all went offline when Jefferey Epstein didn't kill himself.
Never forget, he didn't kill himself
Huh?
@@Dragonage2ftw Jeffrey Epstein didn't kill himself
@@samir6047 Of course he killed himself, he took a 6 inch noose dive off a bed and broke his neck in 3 places, whats suspicious about that?
VHS technology is quite susceptible to EMF interference.
Jeremy Jahns said it best. Rian Johnson isn't as clever as he thinks he is.
"Stupid people tend to over-value their abilities, because they are too stupid to realize that they don't have those abilities." - Internet legend Rich Evans, explaining the Dunning-Kruger Effect
Rian Johnson is the idiot's genius.
@@george4568 Sure, probably not. He isn't making Star Wars films though.
@@george4568 No, he's not clever. But has he really claimed to be though?
@@george4568
No no no. If you're trying to say that Mauler's not as smart as he thinks, just say so. "Clever" in the area of video critique would imply some sort of "aha!" or "gotcha!" behind it. Y'know what I mean?
Side note: I disagree entirely
Anyways, how did you manage to get all the way out here to this channel?
In the sequel, The Last Nurse, Martha tries to kill her mother when she senses that she might become greedy, fails, and becomes a reclusive, corrupt rich woman.
"So she asks Marta to help save the slaves and she's like 'nah'."
Naaah : she isn’t the US concepts of white (which is batshit insane, seriously what’s wrong with them :|), or a male, so that wouldn’t happen.
Funny, there is gonna be a sequel. However, it’s actually gonna be about Detective Blanc solving a whole new case….
I'm starting to think that post-modern deconstructionists like Rian Johnson don't actually understand how human being function, emotionally. They think "unlikable/horrible" is the "default" human and every so often there is a perfect female exemplar of virtue and goodness that makes all the "standard awful" people look terrible. And since he comes across as a total simp, I imagine that Rian is still in the phase of development (around mid-teenager) that nihilistically hates all people EXCEPT that one girl that he idolizes from afar, thinking she's "too good for this terrible world".
@Dr. M. H. He is absolutely the definition of a soy boy. I won't be surprised when there are #metoo accusations against him in a couple of years.
Brian Mardiney male feminist always turn out to be super rapey. Hillary in the street, Bill in the sheets.
I'm pretty sure Moviebob thinks the same way, without the "female" part, and the exemplar is him.
@@vadandrumist1670 Movieblob is a narcissist. It's faintly adorable that he thinks he can take on Razorfist.
Haha!!! That's so totally on the mark I wish I could like this comment a thousand times!! And what's so great is it's obviously apparent with most films these days that almost all the filmmakers think along these lines. Rian Johnson is simply among the worst of a species of human beings such as this.
Ace Ventura pet detective is a more believable sleuth than Craig.
Ace was successful.
Ace was actually a genius though, and a really good detective 😂
man.....jim could have made two more ace venturas and the world would be a better place
@@pedrobarnez5502 not if RJ directed.
@@pedrobarnez5502 the man has still totally got it. He was great in sonic
Well, I thought the film was the perfect metapher for Rian Jonson's work and person in general:
Trying to seem more clever than you are.
“Not as clever as you think you do”. So true
But isn't that exactly the problem Hollywood has? A lot of directors get movies because they're filling a niche: they support SJW, they're LGBT+-whatever or they are easily manipulated. Very few are there because of their talents, they aren't that smart and that's what pretty soon stands out. On top of that Hollywood is one giant echo-chamber, so they only hear praise, no matter how bad their product is and that makes them think they're the next Spielberg, Harlin or other great directors.
Like Neil Druckmann
But he gave us Looper 🥺🥺🥺..
@@sparkypack Looper? The movie that literally tells you not to think about it's plot? Sounds like Rian Johnson to me.
Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed Looper. But it is not a well made movie and has all the hallmarks of Rian's approach to writing screenplay. And it works fine as long as you don't touch things people care about. Or things that are supposed to be smart and actively encourage audience to think while watching, like whodunit murder mysteries.
Another way this movie ends in 10 seconds: "I've just accidentally overdosed you with morphine."OK, I'll call 911." -Fin.
Also 100mg of morphine isn't lethal in most people (generally it's 200mg), and on the IMDB Goofs page for the movie it's been pointed out that the bottle would have only been able to hold 50mg.
20 min later, "well thats odd"
@@jcohasset23 Not only that, 100mg of ketorlac wouldn't have been 100mg of morphine, because the concentration is different. She would've given him 16.9mg of morphine.
Wait, wait. They bring in Craig after days have passed and Marta still has blood on her shoe for him to notice? She never saw it on her shoes when she took them off?
Good point
She just thought it was ketchup..... you have to make up the story yourself in RJ films.
I am a man and I know when I get things on my shoes.
yo wtf
Better question, how did it get on her shoe?
rian johnson thinks he subverted expectations because the butler didn't do it
Based on everyone else seeming to like this movie, I expected a good movie. I’m here to say that my expectations have been subverted.
36:20 The AMOUNT of evidence she destroys in this movie in order to hide her "crime" is astounding... and no one charges her with anything at the end either...
Just because she isn't TECHNICALLY guilty of murder in the case... doesn't mean she isn't an accessory after the fact to ALL of it... especially since her silence led to more murders and she was helping the real murderer evade the police in a meh-speed chase...
Given the circumstances it's not unlikely the law enforcement would overlook it. Police do shit like that all the time for much less sympathetic cases
I think the basic structure of the movie is, well, fine:
- an apparent suicide in fact is a suicide, albeit used as a coverup
- viewers are shown the "solution" right away instead of it being a "big reveal"
- there's a final twist which recontextualizes everything
The problem is that Rian simply isn't a competent enough writer to make this work. His smartest character can only be as smart as Rian himself, so the only working solution is to make everyone else even dumber, and unfortunately everything falls apart right then and there. For example, if Harlan is so smart, why didn't he write a suicide note and then shoot himself with even more morphine, effectively covering up the original dosage, instead of concocting a ludicrous throat-slitting ruse, instantly made suspicious by the blood report? Oh, right, no theatrics, no movie, audience is dumb and will not notice anyways. :)
That has got to be an agatha christie plot. I swear its in one of her 222 books.
And its kinda in glenkill
Because he loves the idea of this being a ludicrous murder mistery. He lives for it and you can bet your ass that he Will die by it too. Seriously if this is too hard to understand for you, well... sorry
Yeah good point.. another dose and a suicide note would have effectively cleared Marta of wrongdoing
@@dodojesus4529 Well Rian did admit he took inspiration for those books.
This made me want to watch "clue" 1985 with Tim Curry now thats good shit 👍🏻
The different endings released at the same time was a brilliant idea during it's release.
@@pontiusporcius8430 just finished watching fantastic film, proper actors, proper writing 👍🏻
I'm going to go home and sleep with MY WIFE
@@bramlyb123 favorite line from that movie
You know that's right!
Oh, so this is movie meant to show off how many famous people Rian knows. Got it.
Next Rian will do a horror movie where he relies on jump scares, but they’ll all happen one second before or after you’d expect them. Subversion complete.
No, he'll make it not scary in any way at all and say:
"See, you expected this horror film to be scary but it's not! I'm such a genius! I subverted your expectations!"
@@1000000man1 Then it will get positive, raving reviews that make me scratch my head, just like Knives Out did.
Started listening to this last night but couldn't catch it all. Thank you for uploading it here so quickly. I can now listen in full whilst I work.
Me too, had to catch it in two sittings.
Rian Johnsons concept of subverting the murder mystery genre: The person who had the loudest fight with the victim and who everyone else knew had knowledge of what he had to lose was the murderer.
Well done I guess.... you subverted the general storytelling trope by basically telling the most common real world scenario. I don't care if he had an elaborate framing of the live-in nurse,to make it seem "original". Honestly, I don't get why people think Rian Johnson is clever, every movie i've seen of his he tries to throw convention to the wind while not compensating with great storytelling. He's quickly rising in my "Most Hated Directors" list, but he still has a way to unseat Ewe Boll and M. Night Shamylan for the top two spots, but don't count the kid out yet.
Why Shyamalan though ? Apart from putting out a some movies ranging from mediocre to atrocious (at least as far as public consensus is concerned, I don’t know if that’s actually the case), but he doesn’t seem to have the same insufferable personality as Boll and Johnson though :|
And contrary to either (or at least one) he actually put out at some good movies, so it’s not like his total contribution is worthless either :|
I’m not even trying to defend him, I’m just curious as to what your reasons are
@@nathanjora7627 The Sixth Sense was good, but Shamylan has this nasty habit of having a twist ending in basically every movie since then. Then he took a huge dump on the most beloved cartoon of my childhood.
Even though he may have a better personality than the other two, I still think he's a hack that only has Three Sixth Sense to his credit and arguably Split, though I think that one was good solely due to McAvoy.
Joel Dykman I don’t think that a film can be good only due to one actor, which I know because Christopher Lee starred in plenty of sh... bad movies (and no SW episode is in this list of bad movies), and Mark Hamil was in epVIII.
But even then, is it really sufficient to make it one of your most hated directors ? Why not JJ Abraham, or Ridley Scott, or... I don’t know, anyone else with an insufferable personality and a career or increasingly big artistic failures ?
@@nathanjora7627 I get what you're saying, but its just a matter of opinion for me. I think JJ is a fine TV director where his stylish aesthetics can compensate for his poor story structure, but suffers when he has to piece together something over 40 minutes long. Ridley Scott is sorta just hit and miss for me. Though I would add Micheal Bay to the bottom 5 due to his over reliance of explosions and the walking abortions which is the Transformers franchise.
I prefer to separate the art from the artist- provided the artist doesn't needlessly infuse his work with their personal politics. Rian is more guilty of this than either Ridley or JJ, but I can understand why you may hate those two more than Rian.
@@joeldykman7591 "I get what you're saying, but its just a matter of opinion for me."
Of course it is, I'm just surprised by your opinion ^^
I'm not trying to argue you're wrong, it just seemed weird to me :)
"Ridley Scott is sorta just hit and miss for me"
Missing a lot and hard these times, and being a jerk about it :I
"Though I would add Micheal Bay to the bottom 5 due to his over reliance of explosions and the walking abortions which is the Transformers franchise."
I don't know...
Story wise... Story wise it's been far too long since I saw any of them, but I'd be pretty surprised if the story didn't hold up at all.
Point being : sure, his movies are... Probably bad story wise, but it's such the epitome of "don't think, just enjoy the spectacle", that I'm not even sure it can be criticized as movies. It's more like feature length clips.
"prefer to separate the art from the artist"
In the sense that you don't categorize a movie as bad because his director is a jerk I suppose ?
"Rian is more guilty of this than either Ridley or JJ"
As far as *politics* is concerned, sure... As far as personal opinions are concerned, I'm not so sure about Ridley.
JJ just seem incompetent. It's hard to tell because there are so many people involved and so many things we don't know, but yeah, safest best seem to be that he is just morally harmless and craft wise incompetent. Or not enough competent.
Of course it's also really hard to evaluate because, duh, I'm not a film director, or producer, or writer, so there are plenty of basic behind the scenes I don't know.
"but I can understand why you may hate those two more than Rian."
... I think you meant "Shyamalan" ^^
I totally got how you can hate Rian more than either JJ or Scott, what I didn't get was how you could hate Shyamalan more than JJ or Ridley, or indeed Bay.
I feel like Rian Johnson is like a more successful Tommy Wiseau. He’s convinced that he is a great genius and that anyone not on board with his movies “doesn’t get it.” Except Tommy came around and acknowledges how silly his film was. Johnson will forever labor under a delusion.
People attack him like he killed their families, can you blame him?
@@LinkMarioSamus I can and I do blame him. He needs to know how to take criticism and rethink some of his writing philosophy. Yeah, some people went overboard, but there are plenty of people who have valid criticisms of him and how he writes characters.
Also how is it a delusion just because you don’t like his stuff?
I watched it last night with my girlfriend (she thought it was super clever and funny, I didn't). Funnily enough we had another point to add to the list of things that are stupid: Martha is told that she has to drive to a certain point on the road to be out of reach for the CCTV. Now, she does not remember if she can pull over before or after a certain landmark, so she pulls over before the landmark. Now, which one would be a safer bet of a place that is out of reach from the house's cameras? A place closer to the house (before landmark), or farther down the road (after landmark)... oh well I guess we have to agree that the character could not use her brain-cells to make this happen
😂 Damn, that was dumb. I'm actually glad I'm watching this, because I thought this movie was pretty smart. I still enjoy it, but it isn't nearly as good as I thought.
Your should recommend this stream to your girlfriend, and see if she still thinks this movie was still super clever and funny.
Holy fuck, seriously 2 IQ XDDDDD
Not if she doesn't know where the cameras are relative to the elephant. And if it's a secluded wooded area, the number of places you can pull off are probably limited.
Except did Martha even know the position of the cameras?
Humans around me in the real world are mentally lazy, so watching a movie that only works because the characters are incompetent and careless can happen.
As someone who works at Wal-Mart, I absolutely agree.
44:44 Drinker predicted the plot of Knives Out sequel.
The person who said that the politics in this film was nuanced was flat-out wrong.
But it certainly is realistic. There are people who talk like that, make major argumentative mistakes like that, in the real world.
The point was to stress that the side characters in the film were unlikeable, as many who bring up politics often are.
Every time I repeat Ryan "megabrain" Johnson in my head it's gets funnier and funnier each time.
I like Ryan Roundhead Johnson
There's so many things wrong with this movie, especially after 40 minutes in where it proceeds a series of side quest that reveal the unmysterious, disinteresting reveal. The movie loses me early on with the "can't tell a lie" and the toxicology would have been paramount to ruling it a suicide in the first place. The movie quickly shows it's hand that it's a leftist immigration argument on how she is pure and deserving and the family is not. Never do they address the moral failings of the father for raising idiot children and they treated Michael Shannon's character as bad for being a publishing assistant rather than a creator as if an author doesn't need both.
How exactly is toxicology report paramount. Did you perhaps notice the giant gaping hole in his neck and a bloodied knife next to the bed. His throat was cut with the blade. What do you think they were confused with how he died?
"Oh, whats that you say Watson, a barrel of blood squirting from his trachea on to the wall? Hmm....Must have been a heart attack."
@@Smhallways Because it is standard. The question would be "Why did he do this?" from there anyone would ask "Was he under the influence of some drug?" and from there they would test his blood, find nothing and declare it suicide within three days. End of the movie.
When "The Messege" is in the way of a good movie. Yep, happens all the time.
No one in the audience seems from the review to have cared about the characters in the story and the plotline depends upon coincidences and contrivances rather than having a plotline dependant upon the characteristics of the characters.
It seemed very irritating
The main pro argument i ve seen would be -this movie is fun. Uhh okay.
@@way-out most people don't obsess over every movie they watch tho. I am not often thinking of the minutae of Daniel Craig's performance in the same way Mooper would spend half an hour discussing two lines by Han Solo in TFA.
As much as I care about certain movies, I watched Knives Out because the trailers looked good and I heard a lot of good reviews... Not because I wanted to put my Long Hat on and analyse it
@@stelmaria-mx As a supplement to what you said I also don't overthink my movie viewing choices: I saw Rian Johnson was involved, remembered that I dislike the movies he has made, and decided not to watch Knives Out. Easy decision with minimal stress.
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I want higher praise than that if I am an executive with accounting data or a creative. "It was [ totally forgetable] fun. It was ok". I want a movie you buy another ticket for it and mmecuately rewatch it and admittedly that is rare. Film being a very collaberative medium there are many ways to mess up a good premise. Real fans have a dialogue quote and can say what they like. I liked it bit I can not specifically tell what I liked about it, uhh that is not real.
Re VHS tapes: as someone who got my broadcast communication degree at the heydey of videotape, I can verify, YES we did erase tapes with a magnet (though in my case that was more often for radio tapes), precisely BECAUSE we didn't want part of the prior recording blipping in. For security tapes, that would also apply for similar reasons. The industry was transitioning to VHS as the standard (with big machines moving them around inside cabinets), from using physically much larger tape formats like 2" -- the larger tapes held more information per fraction-of-a-second, and so looked and sounded much better than VHS. By the same token, I don't think we ever used 8 hour VHS tapes, although those did exist (I personally used them at the house). There were two reasons why, one of which will be harder to explain. Most cassettes had the same standard length of videotape, and whether it held 2 or 4 or 6 hours depended entirely on how fast the recorder pulled the tape through: at slower speeds, you could cram more data onto shorter lengths of tape. BUT doing this degraded the signal by compressing it into more of a smoosh, so for broadcast purposes you'd want the recorder (and thus the playback) moving as 2-hour speed so the signal would be spread out across more tape and thus would be more easily and fully detected. Consequently, most all players and recorders had three speed settings, the 6 hour being ELP (extra long play), 4 hours being LP, and 2 hours being Standard (or Short) Play, the fastest speed. If players only had three speeds, how could you could 8 hours? Only by putting more tape into the cassette (which means the SP also went longer than 2 hours proportionately), BUT cassettes couldn't be made larger, nor various size adjustments be made inside the cassettes to gain room (because that would throw off the relative speed of the spindles like how changing the underlying size of your car wheels requires re-synching your speedometer to compensate). The solution, which only a few cassette makers even bothered with, was to produce THINNER tape. Now more tape can be crammed into the cassette without requiring your recorder/player to change to new speeds to compensate.
The upshot is this: 8 hour VHS tapes were (and are) much more fragile. They age faster over time, and cannot be played as often (winding around the read/write head stresses the tape -- it doesn't record like a audio tape at all, which is why you can't physically splice videotape). This guy would be burning through already-rare 8 hour tapes as they broke in his (aging and increasingly crappy) machines, and of course breaking a tape in the machines also risks screwing up a machine beyond its ability to recover without some disassembly (or worse).
It's insane for someone as wealthy as Plummer's character to not have modern equipment, which is as cheap or cheaper than VHS equipment by this point, and far more reliable. But security would want regular not thinner tapes, to protect them from breaking; and running at 2 hour speed to get the most visible detail possible; cycling between machines as the hours pass. But the plot demanded this dumbass hokey setup, because recording (in ultra-high definition) many hours on solid-state chips would break the plot, so...!
Also, yes, fridge magnets will mess up your tape, but in random ways that simply recording over the tape would be better for. There are industrial electro-magnetic erasures for professional tape cleaning, three seconds and all the little bits of magnetic rust (basically) are realigned to neutral, boom done.
Yeah my mom had hundreds of movies recorded on VHS lol. We had 3 to 4 movies per VHS and we watched them all the time. I definitely wore out the tape on the Ninja Turtles and Cool World recordings
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one.
Very welcome
I don't know. I'd rather have a good movie.
Rian Johnson is the figurehead of modern Hollywood:
People who should not be anywhere near entertainment, who make all, or control all of entertainment.
As far as I know he's not J[THIS COMMENT HAS BEEN REDACTED FOR VIOLATING THE COMMUNITY GUIDELINES]
RJ didn't have a clue on the whodunit type genre. Its clear he tried to do a bit of Agatha christie / Columbo but ended up failing at both. Finding out 1hour in who the 'killer' was completely took me out the movie when the rest of the film is just a silly cat and mouse chase.
The family (an all star cast) actually started reasonably interesting (although unlikeable) but were completely wasted and shoved to the side for the 2nd half of the film.
Craigs character seemed like a bumbling idiot solving by coincidence rather than clever like Columbo where we go on a journey on his thinking on how he uncovers the murderer.
@Dr. M. H. There also exist [insert genre here] comedy
Marta is guilty of destroying evidence of a crime (AKA spoilation of evidence or tampering of evidence) can be prosecuted under US law.
Sure but it's not like law enforcement hasnt overlooked stuff like that given extenuating circumstances before
44:23 the drinker says how knives out could be improved and proceeds to literally describe Glass Onion.
As soon as they started to ‘casually’ discuss Mexican immigration in the middle of a whodunnit (which wasn’t much of a whodunnit if you understand current hollywood) - I switched it off....
No, you should’ve continued. It’s funny as hell. Toni Collette is all liberal angst about how badly the USA treats immigrants. And yet she stole $400,000 from her father. Typical limousine liberal hypocrisy.
@@davidtester3239 That was the point though wasn't it?
Dimitri
Yes, but it’s so heavy handed. I don’t care if a filmmaker takes political shots at either side, just do it with a little finesse.
She's a DACA DREAMER ok! They are perfect in every way ok and are in fact better than American Citizens!!!11
"Hugh/[You] did this" is "Save Martha" level cringe.
Can you believe there are still people that defend “save Martha”? They are few, but I still see them popping up from time to time.
That is a classic whodunit plot point. You just can't compare that to the line from BvS. For you it's cringe because you can't appreciate how Knives Out uses classic examples of murder mysteries.
Hugh, the Borg in Star Trek: TNG, gets his name with this same you/hugh thing. But on this show it is whimsical, not something on which part of the plot hinges.
@@MagpieDynamics I mean, I can see where they were going with that line. Was it a retarded line that could've been replaced with something more fitting? Yeah. But with the "Hugh" thing it's just idiotic.
Mitigated by the fact it was characters we expected to be dumb as opposed to a character with eighty plus years of source material defining him as smarter than that
Remember that stream when Drunkman and Longman actually feared this flick might be very very good? Yeah. Looks like its not.
I members. Then I remembered that Rian is a pretentious hack.
This is a really good flick, they just cant see past their self doubts and hate.
@@comosercortezenelmundo1926 Mate... you seem never managed to get through this stream. KO is corky and wannabe smart, if thats enough for you to call it really good, alright then. People here appreciate a tad more consistency in the scripts, dont get pissed.
@@beardedbjorn5520 You still remember what stream that was?
@@comosercortezenelmundo1926 wow really? Lmao they’re bringing in objective flaws but sure they’re hateful pricks lol.
I’m a murder mystery enthusiast, so I was so excited for Knives Out. I HATED it. It felt like Rian Johnson thinks his audience is stupid.
If you had seen Rian Johnson's prior work (Looper, TLJ, etc.), you would have been prepared for Rian's utterly-retarded scripts.
nadrewod999 ya, I didn’t see he was involved until after we rented it. I thought maybe TLJ was just a fluke and a horrible nightmare, and maybe he was a good director, but nope. He genuinely stinks on ice.
It worked on me the first time because I had no expectation., i was watching it with my family so I wasn't picking at the movie's, and I am extremely easy to entertain. Looking back on it it's contrived as fuck
Woke Murder Mystery. Hard Pass.
@@nadrewod999 true Looper was ass yet it has 90+ on metacritic.
So your saying he failed all around. He made a shity movie and failed to subvert expectations because we all expected it to be a shity movie. The worst part is people tryed to say it was as good as clue.
But Clue was funny...
@@dragonknightleader1 I agree 1.2 biiiiiiilion percent 😃
It is. Like by a lot. Now shut up
clue takes a post taco bell deuce on this
All time watching it I thought: "Gosford Park" did it better
Rian's subversion: you would not expect the obvious evil guy to actually be the bad guy, well guess what? It is. Ugh...
when Fran is explained to have said "Hugh did this", my mind was not in "oh thats clever", i thought "oh Rian named him Hugh for this exact reason"
Rian Johnson subverted our subverted expectation that he'll make a good film this time.
Its not even about subversion. Its Rian Johnson's formula. Looper's story holes are hidden behind performances od JGL and Bruce Willis. You wouldn't look at the screen if it wasn't them. Knives out is a similar deal. People watched it for Daniel Craig. He was the guy used as central in promotions. And that's funny because the movie is so crowded, no one has enough screentime.
It wasn’t an expectation
Cinderella's sisters grab the pretty bits off of her dress, some moviemakers grab bits from other movies in that way. It does not amount to a whole dress or movie.
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Ya know i didnt know who was responsible for it until the end credits, and when i saw rian johnson it was the strongest "now it makes sense" thought ive ever had.
Heh. Underrated comment
Wouldn't leaving your entire estate in the hands of an illegal immigrant potentially shine unwanted scrutiny on said illegal immigrant? Like wouldnt there be some amount of basic legal documentation that had to be signed to actually be granted the estate? And whats the odds that paperwork would have data that would lead to questioning citizenship, maybe in regards to tax purposes?
Marta isn't an illegal immigrant her mom is. Which raises more questions than it answers. Is Marta naturalized or was she born on US soil. Both would make her a US citizen. If she was naturalized then why can't her mom go throuth immigration process, It's far easier to do if you have family who are citizens. If Marta was born on US soil then who is her father was he a citizen because then Marta's Mom could have just married him and that would have given her citizenship.
@@seanmac1793 Anchor Babies only started getting citizenship in the 1980s. Prior to that, the 15th amendment was interpreted honestly by our Judges - as an amendment to give citizenship to freed slaves after the civil war. It sets specific guidelines that children of "foreigners and diplomats" don't have birthright citizenship. Illegal aliens by default are foreigners. If it reached the Supreme Court they would vote accordingly with their Conservative Majority
@@TomTomTom87 okay none of that has anything to do with the film and I didn't need your perspective on the 15th amendment and how it should be interpreted
@@seanmac1793 lol Reich wingers alwqts have to show their true colors bro
Just so you know, YT is recommending me Brie Larson's channel. Is this a revenge for all of us who went to check it out after Drinker's video?
Why would you do that?
@@TheNthMouse lapse of judgement, morbose curiosity, boredom, quarantine? 😂
On the subject of daft plans only working if absolutely everything goes according to plan: in the first ever episode of Jonathan Creek, Jonathan explained in detail how the supposed villain could have pulled off their plan, and it's brilliant. Then he points out that in real life it would never have worked because if even one tiny part of the plan didn't go as intended the whole thing would fall apart. Stories that rely on absurd contrivance are deeply unsatisfying (check out some of Isaac Asimov's mysteries) but those on the internet who have been defending both Knives Out and Glass Onion just don't seem to care.
I remember back when the Shills were out for this movie and some reviewer gushed at length how the 'donut scene' was destined to because a classic and often quoted movie line.
So I finally looked it up and... ummm... HUH?
Rian? Go away and make indi films for your inner circle of friends. You will be happy. They will be happy. We won't have to watch your stuff ever again. Win/Win/Win.
You know you don't have to watch his movie in the first place right? Why do you guys want to be unhappy?
@@SEWATEROLIUM could say the same thing about you mate....why are you defending the film instead of just enjoying it yourself? Why make yourself unhappy listening to criticisms?
I admit, that would subvert my expectations: I would not expect the primary premise of a whodunnit to be "everybody is an idiot".
First few minutes and all I can think is “you have to remember several faces! Multiple names!”
Except that you don't. In fact it's better if you don't.
I watched it and liked it but I always thought it was supposed to be an absurdist parody of the genre where everyone is an absolute idiot on purpose and the plot is absurdly contrived on purpose as well. Think about it - the murder victim died by accident, the attempted killer got caught by accident, the supposed hero that didn't kill the victim also did that on accident, the clues are found on accident, the clues are destroyed on accident... everything in this movie happens on accident. It is not really a murder mystery. It is an anti-murder mystery where nothing makes sense, the stereotypes are overexagerated and even the "you have a tell when you are lying" trope is blatantly mocked.
You are a man of logic and must not be taken seriously.
Except RJ and the actors all came out saying the opposite, that it was a serious murder mystery.
@@beardedbjorn5520 I am pretty sure the actors were camping it up on purpose in that movie especially Daniel Craig and Chris Evans. As for Rian Johnson - I guess Tommy Wiseau also said his movie was supposed to be serious. Every single thing in this movie screams parody to me and I don't think most people who like it think it is supposed to be serious. But who knows - perhaps they do as Interstellar was also a hit and I found that insufferably dumb.
So it’s kind of like the Last Jedi? Nothing there makes sense, everything happens by accident and contrivance and the characters are all idiots? Oh and comedy to the point that it’s anti-whatever it was originally supposed to be.
@@elveone Can't I say that tlj is just parody too?
It was nice to see so many people recommended Gosford Park. If interested in the genre, you’ll love it. (Bonus: It features a pre-GOT Charles Danse & pre-Harry Potter Michael Gambon, too.) It’s the movie Rian Johnson wishes he had the talent to make.
it’s screenplay actually won the Oscar too. I still think they felt bad for the cubby one and threw him a sympathy nom.
I like how this is basically EFAP featuring Drinker
Thank you!! I've been so irritated having to listen to people talk about how great this boring, trite thing was.
A good "who done it" should supply the viewer with all of the evidence needed to solve it themselves, but make it challenging. Knives out leaves out the pieces required to be able to put it all together yourself. The reveal might as well have been that aliens or a ghost did it.
this movie is making me mad now
While watching the movie I figured out that Ransom did it and how about 3/4ths of the way in.
That is true, however... I've seen countless "whodonit" series and films, and only a handfull of them (mostly older ones) abided by that rule.
@@ИванЕвдокимов-в4м the 2009, guy Ritchie, sherlock always comes to mind as modern example. They show you all the pieces. You have to make some leaps, but theres nothing completely hidden from the audience. They show the honey, the dead frog, the rain, the poison, the plant. The only thing shown after the reveal is the harness. I havent read all the stories, so i dunno if thats a credit to sir doyle, or guy ritchie.
@@jotun.616 No, I think this faux occult plot is original
Which is even more shocking, bc that was a borderline action movie
This movie is amazing...
according to crtics on rotten tomatoes.
Audiences like it too.
Darkness1984 He’s gonna counter argument your comment by saying “well people are sheep”, or “they don’t know what a good movie is”. At this point these Anti Rian Johnson nerd bros are predictable. I’d say don’t bother.
@@Drewbibski BuT RuIn JoHnSoN rApEd My ChIlDhOoD!
James S Sorry my friend. But you’re smoking absolute crack if you think audiences are more reliable than critics. Critics at least project fair film critique. A great chunk of critics observe films objectively and every craft of what makes a film. Specifically technically. Audiences rely fully on plot only, and they lack any type of subtlety with movies. 80% of audiences are casual movie goers, who barely spend a lick of hours to watch any original or arthouse type film. The domination of awful blockbusters destroying the box office shows. These are the same people who threw a tantrum over Suicide Squad’s rotten reviews (one of the WORST blockbusters ever made). And complained about critics and started a petition to ban rotten tomatoes. Even Godzilla King Of Monsters had a controversy backlash with critics. Or how bout the fact that excellent films like Uncut Gems, or Hereditary, have a lower audience score than Venom. Which is just laughable and speaks for itself. Sorry but a good 80% of audiences have no idea about what actually makes a movie good. Saying they’re more reliable than critics is like saying Armond White is the most reliable film critic out there.
James S I’m not surprised, considering you cater towards Armond White like reviews. I don’t think it makes me right in the slightest, but your arguments are just laughable. Just curious, do you crack your knuckles every time you finish typing your arguments?
So many people told me this movie was so good that when I finally saw it and didn't like it I was convinced I'd watched the wrong movie, like there were two Knives Out movies that came out at the same time and I got the wrong one.
The VCR overheats? Rian Johnson is such a hack
Goddam fraud
something, something, Dick the Birthday Boy 😡
This channel is win! Always like hearing thoughtful discussion whether I liked a movie or not or even seen it.
Very lucky for Daniel Craig that Marta was wearing white shoes instead of a material that would easily hide the blood stain
I have not seen the movie but I am a lifelong fan of Agatha Christie and it sounds to me like Rian Johnson thought he was as clever as her and failed horribly.
THANK YOU! I thought I was on crazy pills thinking this movie was trash while everyone else gives it high praise.
1:12:25 Could you imagine how awkward it would have been had Harlan decided to make it look as if he INTENTIONALLY overdosed on Morphine as his suicide and NOT slit his throat?
After about a half an hour of lying in repose not being dead, do you supposed he'd have caught on?
Don’t care if Rian Johnson makes the best movie ever made I will never watch another film that’s associated with him
I was thinking of watching Brick. He made it long before he wrecked Star Wars so would you say that’s okay?
@@Garrus1995 I thought Brick was ok, but oddly overrated by the few that still praise it today. I think it satisfied the nostalgia itch for a modern take on a 50s era noir film
I love Noir movies and Brick was basically a couple of Olson Welles movies mashed into one with a bit of China Town thrown in there and filmed modern day in a High School, it wasn’t very original and I do think it is rather over rated.
The thing is, his episodes in Breaking Bad are really fucking good.
I had to force myself to listen to the god-awful accent that they had Daniel Craig put on for this film.
I saw it on preview night in the cinema last year. I figured it out early on based purely off what Rian said on the press tour. When this one scene stood out to me I thought ‘surely he isn’t gonna be this predictable?’..... Turns out he was. The man is a broken record with a monumental chip on his shoulder, although he was very discreet about all that when he was on twitter... 🤔
The boy Thrombey wasn't even narratively justified with the one example Metal could think of. Because all his scene tells us is that Ransom was pissed at Harlan the night of the murder... which we'd seen two or three other times before, from the *other* family members' stories.
All Ransom had to do was call BS on his grandfather's suicide and demand a toxicology check. The rest of the family would have been completely on board with this decision after the will reading, which Ransom already knew the results of. Then after the results show no foul play, that would have been the end of that. Instead he wasted money on the best detective in the world and didn't think he would figure Ransom out.
Autopsy*
I don't get why Ransom would hire the best detective and not an average/decent detective.
Brian Johnson's genius is beyond our mortal ken, Drinker. Never before has so little achieved so much. Makes me embarrassed I used to fawn over the "greats" (pfft) like prime Spielberg, or Tarantino, or Alfonso Cuaron etc. Those foo' have been dining out on conventional skill on our dime. Revolution!!
I wish Brian Johnson had done Knives Out, or one of the Star Wars movies, instead of that Rian Johnson guy.
@@Idiotocin the soundtrack would have kicked ass...
The only Rian Johnson movie I thought was passable is “Brick”. I saw the twist in “Knives Out” coming from a mile away. I seriously found it a slog to get through.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who saw and liked Brick.
Brick was ok but the reviews of it were so overblown that it ended up subverting my expectations of how good it would be.
For a high school whodunit, American Vandal is better in every possible way.
It was filmed at the I high school I went to in San Clemente. Unfortunately Rian Johnsons went there too :(
So the houskeeper is such a good person that when she accidentally poisons someone she doesn't call 911 to save him from an overdose? Such a moral person. Just a saint.
I thought that too why would she get arrested
@@aidanaidan8662 A truly good person would be concerned in saving life. A bad person thinks about their own hide. I know Rian Johnson doesn't understand good people, so it's not surprising that he missed this in his characterization of her.
@@Seomus in my opinion art is only as good as its restraint which is why things such as the prequels, tlou2, death stranding, the room, and rian johnson the plot happens regardless of logic or characters because theres no one there to challenge and hold back the story
The man would have Narcan. It ends morphine effects
@@aidanaidan8662 That's very true. Constraint forces you to think and that forces you to be creative. It's why the New World was discovered in 1492 because the Turks taking Constantinople caused the Europeans to lose access to teh spices flowing down the Silk Road. They had to figure out sea routes to find their way to Southeast Asia. If that never happened, it would have drastically changed world history. because the Europeans wouldn't have had the need to be sea explorers.
Agatha Christie must be spinning in the grave from films like these.
It wants to be Murder on the Orient Express so badly. It is interesting enough in terms of premise and every character being distinguished. You think, okay, lets see... But then it wastes everything and settles for mediocre and predictable cheats because oh, we've crossed the two hour mark.
@@valentinegonsalves7322 Yeah, but Rian Johnson dosen't have the skill or the imagination to create even one of the worse book from Agatha Christie (I mean by quality) and something like Orient Express Murder is completly out of Johnson's reach.
@@troo_6656 That round head simpleton also better not butcher our belgian hero.
@@skorpion7132 Agreed
Even her least good books just blow this out the water times a hundred
I honestly enjoy someone pointing out legit flaws in a movie I thought was good.
Most of these aren't
Recast this entire movie with unknown actors and then let's hear people praise this movie or nominate it for an award. Without the "celebrities" reading the lines, it's an incredibly mundane, simple plot that replaces any substance it could have had with nothing more than pedestrian political propaganda...
Exactly. This movie is just a zoo of celebrity scum.
thats why casting is part of a film.because they bring something to the film,in every film.its not just them being celebs,its them being good actors saying good lines directed well
"He's an asshole." - The legendary Carrie Fisher, when asked about Rian Johnson.
Honestly, I really hate the politics in his movies, and the discussions surrounding them. And I say this as someone with Center-Left politics, who likes to engage in civil discussions about politics. Even still, I think TLJ is shit, and Knives Out is decidedly subpar. Rian Johnson is just a shit writer, that can't intelligently write politics into his stories. It's so incompetent that is feels like a Right-winger's incorrect assumptions about what a Left-winger believes.
@Marcus Fenix Sounds like you do have things against Left-wingers. This is exactly the shit I'm talking about, too... attacking a Straw Man and laughing about it. That doesn't help anyone, or make your side (whatever that is) look better.
Also, welcome to human cognition... people tend to believe whatever as long as it aligns with their beliefs. In general, it doesn't matter what one's beliefs are, that's just how the human mind operates. That's why people who care about being correct have to scrutinize their beliefs and assumptions _very_ carefully. Which can be hard for people trapped in an echo chamber or unknowingly being fed propaganda (for non-political examples: flat-earthers or anti-vaxxers).
When it kicks off what side will you be on?
She had access to evidence because the police did no investigating, because the coroner called it a suicide. The movie does not happen if Craig is not hired.
No responsible detective (police or independent) would allow a suspect to handle evidence
I guess I'll be the odd person out and admit that I liked _"Knives Out"._ I'm not claiming that it's a great detective film with a totally believable plot, but it's entertaining *enough* and I will admit the "surprise twist" worked for me. We have the confession of guilt, and then Daniel Craig says _"Yeah, that's all well and good, but ... who paid me?"._ My immediate reaction was _"Who cares who paid you? We have a confession, and a very believable confession!",_ but about 2 seconds later my thought was _"... but if course if _*_I_*_ were the detective, I would _*_absolutely_*_ want to know which character is paying me!"._
I agree it's not a great film, and the accent that Daniel's character has seems a bit off to my ears, but it's an adequate film. Let me put it this way: If you were forced to re-watch some Ryan Johnson film, which one would you pick? I am sure I'll rewatch this film a few times, while my brain recoils at even a fleeting thought of rewatching _"The Last Jedi"._ I realize that's a pretty low bar, but given what films hollywood has released in the last 10 years, this is a pretty good film. As a movie audience, that's where we are right now. IMO.
I borrowed it from the library, and I still felt ripped off.
I like this movie. Its fun and entertaining.
It's a bit pretentious but I had a really good time.
Tim Gras in what way is it pretentious?
Same. I still respect them and all, but I had a much different experience with the film. I knew all the spoilers before hand so that probably influenced what I thought.
@Darkness1984 - Poe's Law?
Hey Mates, just popping in from the future to say that Mauler absolutely called what the sequel was going to be. Also, looking forward to your reunion special where you discuss "Glass Onion" 👍
Drinker said that, not MauLer. 44:26
This movie got Rian Johnson his first Oscar nomination.
For Best Original Screenplay.
Yet more proof that the Oscars are full of shit
Idk, it wasn't my favorite from last year but it was better than Green book winning for screenplay.
Thank God Jojo Rabbit won. I can’t imagine Johnson had much of a shot.
Gus Mackenzie fuuuuck. Thank you. I know the Oscars pretty well and knew there were two categories for writing.
Christopher Marlowe I still need to see it
44:33 - What the drinker says here is why Poirot worked out so well in so many isolated scenarios like Orient Express and Death on the Nile
I've been dealing with the mental anguish of knowing that I paid money to see this loathsome debacle in the theater. Ironically, when my step-father asked if I wanted to go see it, I didn't bother to check "whodunnit" before I agreed. (Had I seen Rian's name beforehand, I would have insisted on Ford v Ferrari.) I spent the whole film telling myself, "There's no comically heavy-handed message here. It's just a mediocre story taking lots and lots of political potshots", right up until the nauseating last ten minutes. I sunk into a bit of depression realizing that agenda-laden trash like that is not only produced but lauded, and wept bitterly from the guilt of contributing my money to its box office numbers. Being able to follow along with this discussion has redeemed the experience to a small degree, while also compounding the trauma by making me relive the tragic.
shoot me.. take the movie at face value for its quirky characters.. i LIKED the movie.. just let it carry you along, and its thoroughly enjoyable.. yes,, it has gaffs when you go back to re-review it..
so yea.. some folks can overlook things and just GO FOR IT and enjoy the ride..
thats exactly how i took this flick.. a semi Tongue in Cheek whoDunit.. and just had fun with it..
Lol. They used knives out to teach how to make a tightly written plot in my uni film course
Hope you changed Uni's....!
On the scale of mildly woke to communist how bad is your university professor? lmfao
@@MundaneThingsBackwards he's pretty good tbh I like him. Usually does good lessons
You might wanna change Unis
I've always been a dude who considered that movies can be either enjoyable and/or good. A good movie doesn't necessarily have to be enjoyable and a movie you enjoyed doesn't automatically mean it's a good movie. When I watched this movie, I mildly enjoyed it. But does it necessarily mean that I consider it a good movie? No.
Drinker: "This could work if it was set on an island without police around and Blanc had to investigate everything himself."
Monkey's paw curls
What genre does Rian Johnson suit?
Black and white silent movies...when the fucking camera is off and no one is in the studio
I take it that rain Johnson didn’t do any research on law enforcement or even watch a tv show about law enforcement because toxicology is really common
1:19:00 Everyone completely baffled at how the movie broke important narrative information to make the dying housekeeper scene happen. The silence at 1:19:50 is awesome.
Realising that you guys hang out together is the best crossover this summer!