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When I can I will. I enjoy you guys in all nrb and wrestle talk stuff. But I know someone who you guys mean a lot more to. And on their behalf and because of how it has improved their life I don't know if anyone will see this. But thank you. Sometimes when you are going through the worst of times having an escape which fits you personally is a literal life saver. You lot are lifesavers. I love you all for that.
If Dom has a million fans, then I'm one of them.
If Dom has one fan, then I'm THAT ONE.
If Dom has no fans, that means I'm dead.
Well he has at least two fans. Every time he’s in a video I always end up cheering for him. He’s just too charming
If Dom has a million fans, then I'm one of them.
If Dom has one fan, then I'm THAT ONE.
If Dom has no fans, that means I'm dead.
You are the drunk.
@@fredsuper6792 He has at least three fans
Four fans. He can now play golf.
Laurie just petting a cat at 1:55:24 while all the other players freak out is proof he has finally found a way to win BOTC
The thing Ben forgets is that Holly didn't need to talk to Adam to get a bluff, she has a built-in one via being an Evil Twin.
I literally went down to the comments on my second watch and saw this as soon as Ben said you need to talk to your minions. What crazy timing.
she didn't know what type of demon adam is or what type of minion ken is and that could cost them the game, because she wasn't sure if the new demon is dom or ken, or ken pit-hagged himself into the demon, or dom is on the good team and this became a game of twins without a demon
instead of joking with blair entire the game she should at least have talked to adam or ken ONCE
also if adam didn't drag ken aside right before nomination, he had no idea about dom being the new demon and sure as hell would curse dom one more time
nevertheless the evil team deserved the win because the other team couldn't even figure out what demon and minion is in play untill the very last day, and the main reason for that is also holly's initial vortax bluff. so unlike info sharing, she did a good job on creating a controled confusion
@@hamed2800 I'm specifically referring to Ben claiming she needs to talk to Adam to learn what bluffs were available for her to use, but she doesn't need to do that at all. She also doesn't have a power useful to the rest of the evil team on a day by day basis, so checking in isn't as necessary as other minions. But I agree that she should have gotten in touch on day 2 or 3 at the latest to touch base and get a lay of the land. She just didn't need the Bluffs.
@@hamed2800 The thing is that it was difficult for her to talk to anyone else without casting suspicion on them, which is also why Blair didn't really get to talk to anyone else one on one the whole game.
Blair/Holly being good/evil twins and just deciding to be friends is wholesome af.
Twitch meta
It did feel like an actual sibling dynamic. I loved when Blair brought out her ukulele, so sweet.
@@nanyubusnis9397 I strongly disagree with that final paragraph. Obviously "Blair was socially manipulating Holly" is completely valid - it is a social manipulation game and I think it was very smart of Blair to play that way. However your comment on her being "bitter and petty" goes beyond the game and comments on her character as a person which is incredibly unfair. I don't know what comment you're making at 2:16:52 but to me at least that just looks like someone who lost a game, and is maybe frustrated that they couldn't affect the game that much - being the twin.
I do think the twins had a sweet dynamic, that of competitive siblings perhaps.
Much love to all at NRB - you're truly so much fun to hang out with
Except blair was totally mean to holly from the start
Yikes to everyone says Blair was being mean to holy because she was keeping holy from spreading miss information to the good team. That's just literally a smart play, she can't convince anyone shes good at least keep stuff from getting more mixed up
Ken: Let's roll the dice
Meanwhile, far away, Isaac felt a disturbance in the force
Ken and Isaac as the twins would be hilarious
@@tessasmith1477 They would just keep nominating each other. WILDCARD!
Ken: officially the the most dangerous witch ever…
…for the evil team…😅
Adam totally deserved that win. Calling shots, figuring out people's roles and most importantly making people doubt their info and at times manipulating that info against other players so convincingly that it genuinely felt like he was trying to solve the game as good. Brilliant!!
Hardly, if good doesn't win 100% of the time it is mostly down to them not evil. In this case Dan could've gotten the artists ability to confirm which of the twins were evil and which was good, also confirming no vortox in play and all that on day 2. Without that they could have easily concluded that Holly was the evil twin with her only nomination and then the town cryer dying, which Dan could've become to get better information than the mathematician. x:x
@@nihkhdtigerson1599 Dan could have figured out that Luke would probably be killed, and selected town crier that night.
After this game Sully is on 13/18 wins (72.2%). Adam is on 11/17 (64.7%). Holly coming up the outside on 3/3 (100%)
Two things:
1. So good to see Laurie back in the seat as co-storyteller. He's got such strategic, slightly sadistic instincts that are put to great use in this role.
2. Dom legion unite!
For the Dom Legion!
We are the Dom Legion ✋
Dom legion go! There are dozens of us! DOZENS!!
I pledge allegiance to the Dom Legion!
Oh Adam you don't know about the legion of Dom!
Dan and Adam look like alternate universe versions of the same person. You guys have to make them good and evil twins some time.
Dan is like the perfect combination between Adam and Jon XD
@@JackArcherX yeah I think he looks like Jon as well but if he was a very stylish multiverse variant
I reckon this was the best we’ve ever seen Adam play. I especially liked him spoon-feeding Doms info that locked the game up *chefs kiss
Agreed. I love how he got in a quick "watch out for a witches curse" or words to that effect during nominations to quickly put it out there for Dom not to nominate having had that little chat with Ken. Not sure if Dom picked up on it amongst the chatter (perfectly placed and hidden in plain sight for Adam to throw it out there) and seemed more like he was gonna stay stum regardless, but it was a good touch, and yeah, Adam was excellent and deserved to win.
For him to go off very suspiciously with Ken TWICE and play it like he did was masterful.
Ken was a verrrrry good accomplice in those last rounds/days too.
Adam's infogathering was also perfect for Dom to be able to bluff dreamer easily. He didn't need to in the end, but if he had been put on the block I'm sure he could have bluffed very convincingly
@@SickRedApple Dom seemed to think he had nothing to bluff with as dreamer, but adam litterally told him what everyones clases were.
Dom saying “You never know what’s hanging over you in this game” while cursed by the witch after being turned into the demon is hilarious.
Imagine how fun it’ll be seeing Daddy Ben putting down the crown of storyteller for one episode and becoming a player. It doesn’t need to happen a lot, but at least once would be spectacular.
I actually asked this before, he said there were plans but couldn't get anyone in to be ST.
I suggested they ask Edd (also from TPI)
@@247marquis hopefully because it’ll be something beautiful to see him as either good or evil.
Maybe they could get Carly to storytell? 🤷♂️
@@247marquis I think Dakota would be another reasonable possibility since she's already appeared on the channel and also frequently storytells on the TPI stream (as well as other streams too).
Ben has played before on the BotC youtube channel, I recommend the "You'll be what character I'll tell you to be" or "Big Brain Plays" player perspectives
Something I forgot to say. Adam played really well with getting too powerful town roles killed... and not being blamed for it either. Nice
The fact that he even stated he'd guessed the role and was the only other person saying such should have clued them in easily enough. I do wonder what brains they have for this game when evil out themselves early on like this. x:x
I’m def one of Doms fans. Always root for his evil or evil-like demeanor!
Yeah Dom is really entertaining. Also a very good Clocktower player - almost Sully level 😜
Count me in the Dom fanclub.
I'm also part of the DOMinators! (DOMinatrices?)
Gotta have a name for your fans Dom! :D
Team Dom!
There are dozens of us! *Dozens!*
That was a great episode of Gaslighting My Friends to the Point of Madness for Fun and Profit! Adam was in top form for most of the game, I honestly forgot at times that he was evil.
The Holly v. Blair dynamic is so heartwarming. Proves you can be on opposite teams, still play the game to win and yet still have fun.
No point in arguing, they both know who is who. Arguing in the town queue want change anything. Might as well have fun
@@Aeon08897 Or you can go the Luke route, where you just try to gaslight the good twin (Oli) into submission when you're alone together. Too bad that Daddy Ben had to stop that, that night, to make sure nobody's believing false rules XD (which is good, just too bad for Luke's plan lol)
I felt bad for them though. In the Luke v Oli game, plenty of people wanted to talk to either of the twins to sus them out, sharing info with them to see if they were helpful or not. Blair and Holly were just shunned the entire game.
@@SickRedAppleYep, which allowed evil to win even when outing themselves. It amazes me how often they dismiss 1st night or day information as unimportant when it sinch the game late on. x:x
Thumbs up for the LEGION of Dom Fans!
We. Are. Legion.
dom has really become a favorite for me in the last month or so, also, i desperately need a game with both ken and issac, imagine the pure chaos
I second this
And sit Jon between them. "Ken's my demon." "No, Isaacs my demon"
Ken was absolutely team chaos honoary member. Isacc would be proud of his Witch kamikaze plays.
Savant information was beyond premium this game:
"The demon is No Dashii or Fang Gu"
"Your neighbor is poisoned or evil"
"The demon is Fang Gu"
That, combined with Clockmaker 2 and Town Crier on Twin, made the game so difficult for evil. Amazing confusion sowed by Adam and Holly.
It really was Good's throw on this one. Pete could have tied it all up with the third night's info. Adam was lucky that Pete chose him as his only confidant and had bad social reads on him the whole game, which is of course why Ben made the info so premium. Not that Adam was unconvincing, but that was still lucky. Pete still whiffed pretty hard and definitely should have at least tried talking to Dan. Luke's horrible "theory" fully neutralized town crier immediately, though Holly did finish killing the only info with the double-bluff speculation. And Blair just basically gave up as good twin and let Holly steer the ship so much that Luke even got confused about who had given the correct Vortox info at the end.
Holly and Adam did play a very good game, and Adam's timing on the Dom kill was what actually won the game. But the most important good roles all screwed up royally. Including Sully, who according to him only bluffed to Dan and expected that to cover him. Just a mess all 'round for good. Kinda wish it was a clean sweep for Evil for how badly they played.
At least 1 player got false info [No Dashii] OR The outsider count has been modified [Fang Gu & Holly was lying]
Adam heard a lie + 1 of my living neighbours is poisoned [Sully=No Dashii] OR 1 of my living neighbours is evil [Adam=evil & Holly was lying[ (OR good Adam had lied about hearing a lie & Luke was evil).
Then Dan found out 0 people had been poisoned. Since he wasn't sat next to Sully, his information must've been true, proving Sully innocent.
This meant it was a Fang Gu game, and Holly was lying. (It hadn't been proven if Adam was evil, OR good Adam had lied about hearing a lie & Luke was evil.)
If Tilly was a clockmaker, this would mean:
- Either evil twin Holly was sat 2 steps from Fang Gu Adam, and the Fang Gu turned outsider was either Ken or Dom
(- Or minion Luke was sat 2 steps from Fang Gu Ken
- Or Fang Gu Luke was sat 2 steps from minion Ken, and the Fang Gu turned outsider was Dom.)
It doesn't feel like he tried to work each day's information out like that instead keeping it all separate from each other until he died. They seem to get lost in their own character too much in order to work out the actual game until it's too late. The imp person one shows that easily enough. x:x
It took them so long to realize the genius of "at least one player recieved false information"
Tilly slow blinking for over 2 hours is hilarious
I kind of got the impression she wasn't having the best time, given how little she spoke. I hope I'm mistaken about that, though.
@@Phagocytosis I think this might have been her first game so she seemed lost and also being told in your first game that you're the most expendable player has gotta suck lol
Can we just get a stream of Laurie holding the cat purring?
Before the game even starts Luke guessing Holly's alliance in his example....I love when things like this happen.
Oh man, if Blair wasn't my favorite before, her pulling out the ukelele to play god damn megalovania has cemented her place as the best NRB member in my head
Dom, if you see this, just know my wife and I are both happily part of your legion of fans.
I know Holly said she didn’t know who the demon jumped to but she cleverly deduced it from Adam’s vote. By withdrawing her hand from voting for Ken she made a big brain play to make Blair think there was no need to nominate Dom!!! Well done.
- Day 1 savant info is explicitly impossible in either a Vortox or Vigor game. Once they killed Sully, Pete should have been 1000% sus of both Holly and Adam, because their information requires a Nodashi to have poisoned both.
- Day 1, when the two artist questions were revealed, Dom knows 100% Holly is the evil one. He cannot have the role he has in a Vortox or Nodashi game.
- Why did Dom get away with never claiming his own role to anyone lol
For day 1 savant: Both could have been true, because the information his role gave him has to be false and that information is that exactly one of those statements is correct.
@@WitherBossEntity Except it would be impossible for both to be true because the first ONLY can be true if it's a Vortox or Nodashii, and the second ONLY can be true if it's a Fang-Gu.
@WitherBossEntity vortox ALWAYS gives false info. So if it was vortox he'd always get 2 false phrases
I never understand why good never team up together to work things out structurally instead they throw around drunk and poison to further muddy the water and get fully confused. x:x
I was kind of surprised that Ken's last defense didn't put them off. It was so flimsy, and maybe it's just because I know the truth, but to me it seemed _obviously flimsy on purpose._ Which is a huge red flag on the last chance to kill the demon.
They tend to fall for that kind of stuff a lot on the last day. Literally every time someone flubs a defense with a goofy mistake, the entire town gets into a "Yeah, we got him!" mood and they're shocked to find out they were fooled.
Absolutely no one was even trying to point out that whichever one of the evil twins was evil was content enough with Ken being lynched that they didn't even try and nominate anyone else. And hell, even Ken himself didn't nominate anyone himself!!! Only a minion does this on the deciding day.
I think its because of the evil twin. I can see them thinking Ken's the demon, but he doesn't care anymore if he dies, he thinks he'll win from the evil twin. Its kinda bullshit, but then again, it was tense, and sometimes your brain comes up with bullshit when its pressured
Listening to Ben be like "Well one of the minions is gonna be left hanging" when Holly is evil twinning made me laugh so hard 🤣
(No hate to Ben, it's just funny)
Pretty sure he was saying that for the world where Adam jumps onto Dom, especially since they were trying to hide the outsider as much as they could.
After playing, (and losing) BOTC w/ THE DADDY BEN Last Night, I never been more excited for more NRB Clocktower
Adam played so damn well there; he collected so much information, spread so much doubt about everyone's information, and turned the good team against each other masterfully, all while avoiding suspicion and passed the mantle on to Dom in a beautiful maneuver. He was the true artist in this game, he wove lies like a master weaver into a tapestry of doubt and confusion that never pointed at the new demon.
Too bad he sucks at being good. His reads are dog shit but he's a master manipulator.
If any of the good players had their head screwed on it would've been obvious especially when he outed himself right in the square. x:x
I love the addition of Tilly! But also Ken is a NATURAL at BotC! He’s so quick-witted and hilarious. It’s still also great seeing how good Sully has become at this game after his first few blunders haha.
Ken and Isaac would be so much chaotic fun.
@@emisor9272 I think Isaac is chaos for chaos’ sake. Ken, especially now months later, understands the nuances of the game a lot better than Isaac. He’s also incredible at reading people.
I think that was twice that someone brought up "it could have been a Fang Gu switch" in relation to Adam's death and then immediately dismissed it because they're convinced that the demon must be causing misinformation based solely on information from Adam and the person they already decided was the evil twin.
Honestly I think the best thing for Dan would have been to take the artist ability on night 2, and to just ask the 2+2 question. They wasted so much damn time fretting about a vortox. Plus he may well have prevented Sully and Pete's deaths since they wouldn't need to execute.
My thoughts exactly and even got told by the storytellers to do that. It would have solved the vortex riddle at the same time, 2 bird's an all that. 2nd option would have been to take Luke's role once he knows he's dead as evil would be free nominating thinking they have got rid of that problem. x:x
Dom's Legion of Fans: There are dozens of us! DOZENS!
Feels like Laurie is pushing for a “Horny for Noms” t-shirt. I’m all for it. Works for BOTC fans and foodies
“…bludgeoned by blocks from where Jenny is from” is an incredible line by Laurie 😂 It made me laugh so much! And only Adam reacted to it, I guess everyone else was just so stressed it went over their heads! Great game!
Daddy Ben: Here's three pieces of info that tells you that your neighbor is a Fang Gu and he jumped to an outsider.
Pete: I have no idea what any of this means.
Yeah, so frustrating… also Ben telling Dan he made a great job… well no, since he ever only doubted his only info.
@@arthursimsa9005 I love the NRB crew however three players had all the info that would've solved this day 3 especially with Adam's slip-up but none of them jumped on it. Luke was really close.
@@Kuchiri who?
@@Kuchiri They had a clockmaker 2 which based on the position of the twins had to be either Ken or Adam. Plus Pete's day 1 savant info eliminated vortox as a potential demon.
@@Kuchiri They've scared themselves into thinking their information is always wrong. They're so afraid of being mislead that their info is practically worthless.
Dom Legion unite!
Fang-tastic game! Adam played a blinder manipulating the worlds in town there, and Holly and Ken doing their best to look extremely suspicious successfully drew the heat and focus away from Dom!
So when will we get the full video of Blair doing a Megalovania cover on the ukulele? ;p
IT'S FINALLY HERE! Everyone, help support NRB with their Kickstarter, we're nearing the first stretch goal. It's going to be wild!
Blair playing Megalovania on the ukelele is something i never knew i needed in my life.
omg, thank you. I was trying to remember why I knew that riff. Of COURSE it was Megalovania!
DAMN the amount of misinformation and different theories evil managed to spread this game was just amazing, and the bit where Adam and Pete were theorizing to eachother this episode of BotC was so amazing to watch! Great job to the NRB cast as well as daddy ben
My physical copy of Blood on the Clocktower arrived yesterday... Running my first game on Thursday 🤞
The game looks insane! Really great quality! Everything you'd need to play! Hoping to get my friends as addicted to this game as NRB have done for myself
49:07 Good point from Ben there regarding the bluffs, EXCEPT... Holly already has her bluff. In this case, Adam and Ken can share the Oracle and Dreamer with no worry about mucking up the Juggler bluff.
I could be mistaken but I imagine he said that bearing in mind that Adam might jump to Dom at some point with Dom requiring a different bluff, since 1. Claiming outsider would go directly against the world Adam and Holly were selling and 2. Would look suspicious in the late game as an outed outsider in a fang gu game.
More likely he meant they now can't use the juggler bluff to make fake juggles and spread more misinformation
I am one of the "some Dom fans", King Dom and Balloonist Dom's character acting were amazing lol
Adam’s so rude! Dom, you’ve got fans - I’m one and I appreciate your little chat for us
Oh Luke, I do expect more from you buddy😂 also having Blair think she won just to see her face as she found out she lost was just great
Adam just ran around the town saying whatever he wanted and NOBODY questioned!
Oboi, I just got done watching every single (including pateron) one of these! And you bring more!
Edit: Dan Layton being in this one means we are one step closer to Tomska showing up, a level of chaos I desperately want.
Me too! Literally just finished the patreon live game.
That was a really fun watch. Was on tenterhooks on day 3's nominations!
The evil team - particularly Adam - played fantastically. There was just the right amount of possible explanations thrown in there to muddy the waters without it being obvious that was what they were doing.
I am so desperately begging them to please remember that the Fangu exists. The number of times they said Vortox and Nodashi... and did not say Fangu one fucking time.
If I wasn't already bald I would have ripped my hair out
Pete trusting Adam is heart breaking. LMAO
I’m a member of the Dom fans! He’s bloody amazing!
When the town crier was killed at night (to protect the evil twin), it suggested that the evil team was worried about the townfolk getting reliable information, and thus strongly suggested the evil team knew there was no Vortox way back then before they could assess how well hyping fear of a Vortox would work. The townfolk blew it by not betting on that, especially Blair not pushing her 2+2=4 answer HARD all the way through -- especially considering that the probability of a Vortox is one out of many demons. The good team basically let a false equivalency (as if the probability of not a Vortox is equal to the probability of a Vortox , the latter of which being what the evil twin would have had to push to negate the good twin claiming not a Vortox) slide. At one point early on (39:02), Holly even said "In my head, it's a fifty percent chance of a Vortox game", which the good team should have seen as utter BS.
Ah, Sully. Such a gorgeous person.
The human equivalent of a one-year-old puppy, it doesn't matter what's happening, it's just cool to be involved and having fun regardless of the outcome.
Normally I live for the chaos of townsfolk receiving misleading information... but this is a great example of how a game with all good information can still be beautifully unraveled by an experienced evil team sowing doubt. Stellar plays, absolutely well done!
I don't understand half the things that happen in this game nor the strategies involved, at this point I watch these for the personalities. So there's a compliment in there for you guys. Amazing what you do here.
I love Ken he's like an evil genius that just wants to watch the world burn knowing full well that includes him
49:45
although to be fair, with an evil twin in play you really only need two bluffs because the evil twin is hard locked into bluffing as whatever their good twin is.
so it really doesn't matter that he didn't tell holly about juggler being a bluff, because she could never do that anyway. he did talk to the only other minion
so honestly I'm not really sure what they're talking about here
Why not? Because if you bluff then people don't know what the good twin does, no??
It’s because Dom needs a bluff once he’s been converted, since if he claims outsider people will know what’s going on.
Pete improved noticeably between the previous game and this game.
I think Tilly is going to be good at this game once she's confident enough in this setting to speak up. You could see her working out what was going on, and there were a few times when I suspected she'd nailed it, but didn't say anything and got a little swept up by the narrative. Tilly, in the future, if you think he's good and you're onto something and you don't want to say it, you can run something by Sully. Sully is very good at separating testimony from speculation.
Ken is a chaos elemental, and I am here for it. I want to see at least one galaxy brain town plan from Ken.
I really like the sects and violets game of having to find out which demon is in the game. It’s such an interesting dynamic with so many pieces of information pointing to multiple demons. I love the world creation for good and evil.
Legion of Dom Stans checking in - "There are dozens of us... DOZENS!!"
Had the absolute joy of discovering the series over this past month, work my way through them from earliest to latest, and absolutely love all of them, never seen a set of characters on RUclips that I want to be friends with more, love this series and all of the people involved
All glory to Dom's Legion!
“Let’s roll the dice” ah, Ken and Isaac are truly cut from the same cloth, that cloth being chaos.
The first convo with Adam and Dom is just *chef’s kiss*
Blair and holly are so wholesome, I wanna see this band happen IRL! Also Adam!! I am a huge fan of Dom!
I tip my hat to you mr. Blampied; you had a blinder of a game for evil and holly/Blair as twins was so wholesome and beautiful
I’m absolutely your fan, Dom:D Very good player since your first BOTC games, and very charismatic!
Ohhh, Pete missed out on being the mvp back there... first night he could have ruled out Vortox with his first clue.... "At least one person got wrong information" could not have been a lie on a Vortox game...
Let's go Domheads, Dombots or Dombies! Idfk what you call it but I'm a fan. Awesome play by the evil team!
I'm loving the option Dombies
Holly putting her hand down at the end, just *chef's kiss*.
Ken is as much as of a wild card as Isaac in this game lol love it
Ken’s final day play reminds me of Issac’s in the third game where he was the poisoner and Carley was the Imp. He obviously feigned innocence which made the town vote him and ignore the demon.
I have never seen sully so salty about dying
How did no one pick up on holly after the first nomination.
She said if Another minion nominates, not if a minion nominates.....how did no one get that??
Can I just say, you guys had the chance to canonically make Adam and Dan twins. Missed opportunity...
Two new BOTC games and a new episode of Are You Evil? There goes my Saturday. 😊
Where is the 2nd one?
@@haydenfraser3782 Patreon. They dropped them both at the same time.
Yea they were both great i have to check out the Are You Evil still.
Thank you! I never checked patreon
There was a guaranteed win that night you were discussing that no one mentioned. If Ken had figured who was going to die, a self-curse would have sent it to final 3 with demon and twins. obviously that's hard to spot in the moment but it was an option
Witch curse is not an execution, so it doesn't end the day.
The fact that no matter which Twin people think is the evil twin the Clock Maker info would still point to a bad guy is such a crazy piece of information!
Pete once again working the game out pretty well....... Just to trust Adam again. Why???
If Adam is evil he's really succinct in his assertions because he knows the game at play .... when he's good he socially reads terribly and throws accusations all over the place but acts like each one is definitive - never trust Adam.
Love you Blamps x
Having watched all the games (the NRB youtube 1s at least) i think that's a great assessment.
Always great to watch Adam in these games.
Ben already noted it, but chef's kiss to how Holly played the Ken vote.
I love how the ending Part is just Holly doubting herself, because noones gonna trust her again and meanwhile Blair just plays her little guitar xD (could be a ukulele idk xd)
Gotta love newbie Dan being the one to realize that using the Artist to Vortox check is a punt
Well it does work.
But you have to trust the artist
In this case he could have gone Artist. Then you have 3 Artist checks and it has to be 2:1. So you can figure out which Artist twin is lying, thus getting the evil twin. After that, 2 jumps to Adam... The game could have gone the other way
@@skip2k845 100%. It would've been a better play because instead he got correct info and assumed it was wrong, as is a No Rolls Barred tradition. At least a Vortox couldn't screw up the artist play. (Although knowing how these games go, he maybe would still assume he was poisoned)
This was such fun and entertaining episode!! I wouldn’t say this was a well played game for the bad team as much as I’d say this was a very poorly played game by the good team lol. Neither Adam or Ken ever spoke to Holly once and by the time it would have been helpful it was already too late to attempt. Ken made a good call on the first night to witch Dom but then just wasted his power every other night. Blair, knowing her info was correct, overlooked/ignored the clockmaker’s info and never had any sus on Adam and even sided with him against Sully, who was just chilling lol. Pete just served himself to Adam on a silver plater. Dan made smart moves all game only to doubt himself when it mattered the most (delivering his info). Dom was Dom, always a good boi (till he wasn’t 😈). And Luke just stumbled out the gate lmao. I’d say the MVP was Holly. Even though the overacting was mad sus from an audience perspective, none of the players caught it and even constantly sided with her attempts at spinning narratives and basically had to play blind the last portion of the game. Adam was on his A game, but it would have been his A+ game had he not decided to keep Holly in the dark. Really like this series. Very good time 👌👌
Talking to on outted twin while alive when they have no new info is sus though
Woot, time for some Clocktower chaos! I hope this video gets people excited and pushes the Kickstarter past the stretch goal, really hoping for those two more episodes!
I was screaming at my screen for Blair to nominate Dom in that last round of voting. Vortox had finally been ruled out by the savant (I'd say too late but I wouldn't have figured that out probably), plus they had corroborating information from Dan, so given the conflicting information from the twins Blair is then confirmed good, in addition of course to Blair knowing she's good. If Blair nominates first it's a 50/50 since she knows Holly is her evil twin, and it should be known to the good players at this point that Holly is the evil twin as well, but Blair doesn't nominate Dom does, pushes on Ken and crucially says he's still sus of Blair, vote passes with 4 votes with her evil twin switching to no before it passes. That should be everything Blair needed on that final day to nail Dom to the cross, or at least try. Then Ken's obvious lies during the final chat and both of them being "revealed" as good roles that neither had information to justify as Sully pushed should have shown both as evil as well, and evil has the incentive to nominate someone who 1) isn't a twin and 2) isn't the demon. Dom nor Ken couldn't be trusted for a nomination no matter what, it HAD to be a twin.
I think Dom making that nomination is actually a misstep that should have made Blair turn on him immediately, and if not what he said while doing it should have been the push.
It's entirely possible but I think with the information given at that point, they didn't nail down which demon it was and Blair was buying the worldview that it was the one that poison's it's neighbors (Supported by Savant information as well) which makes the clock-maker information useless.
I agree Ken didn't put up a solid defense at the end at all and it looked like it made a lot of people hesitant but the stress and adrenaline looked like it was making the information a little harder to protest.
I don't think this loss is on Blair too much and she drew a pretty unlucky hand being made useless by the evil twin, so she was trying to process a games worth of information in basically 1-2 meetings. I think the real solution was in Pete and Dan linking up to share information, but Adam got to both of them first. Once Adam started controlling the narrative (despite being suspected of being a Vigor Mortis minion kill), the good team lost and tbh got kinda steam rolled.
Man, being evil twin artist could be so much more fun than it often is. Day 1, openly declare the situation, argue that the Vortex question isn't useful because it would just lead to the twins arguing all game. Instead, ask the group to create 2 different questions for the artists to ask so the group can determine the liar over time. The evil team has more info, so evil twin can steer the group to pick a question where they are always right more often then good players and the evil team can work to make the good twin look like a liar. Bam, goes from twins being a role with no clear advantage to giving the evil team vote advantage while making the evil twin look trustworthy enough to guide the party down the wrong path.
58:14 Just realized that Ben's opening statement to the Savant basically PROVED there wasn't a Vortox. Since in a Vortox game the Savant MUST get two pieces of false info, unless there were NO first night information gathering roles (Clockmaker would be the role here, and somewhat unlikely to be used as a evil bluff, because of its expendability), that statement would not be allowed in a Vortox game, since all info would be wrong, and that would be a true statement. Good thing to remember for story tellers!
Haven't watched yet, but VERY glad you posted a new episode before the Kickstarter ended, this should help get over the last hurdle I think
We can only hope
i found this channel like 2 weeks ago and have absolutely loved binging this series, hope you keep 'em coming!
Ken and dom played the last vote absolutely perfectly. A well deserved win for the evil team
I think the fact that Dom nominated and what he said during the nomination was actually a pretty clear misstep, in Blair's position at that point I'd like to think it's pretty clear she has to counter nominate Dom. After vortox had been taken off the table she's confirmed good by 2 other players, which of course she knows aren't evil because they're confirming her good narrative. If she lets someone else nominate there's a 50/50 shot they're the demon is making that nomination and the one about to take the hit is obviously lying (he might as well have said it's me I'm the demon), and the one making the nomination is still denying she's the good twin while doing it. If Dom still openly thinks Blair is bad after confirmation she isn't, even if he were good he's telegraphing a vote against her on the next day. Everything in those last moments screamed push it back on Dom. (plus there was Adam's slip and his vote for Ken which was also ignored)
Holly couldn't make it because it would force Blair to counter, but if a significant portion of the ghost vote ignored the info confirming Blair it might have passed, Ken can't make it because he has no valid options except for himself which of course wouldn't pass. I think one of the twins should have had to be the final push for ghosts to join in, the last day and the day that could have come after were both referendums on which artist was real.
I'd say evil was pretty well backed into a corner at the end and both sides misplayed on that last vote given the actual info available to the players.
I am so addicted to this series. And i'm loving it.
the entire evil team played such a great game wow
Tilly made the BOTC crew! hell yeah
This one was so frustrating to watch, because Adam's aggressively obvious last ditch effort to throw tons of never-before-mentioned suspicion on Ken should've been immediately picked up on by some of the players. I think by that point, a lot of them seemed very checked out. Sully and Tilly had given up really trying to puzzle it out, and were just waiting to go with the group.
Also, if Dan had just gone with his first instinct and verified the Artist information, they could've easily identified Holly as the Evil Twin and built a lot of their information from there. It was such a smart play since it would help with both the Vortox situation AND the Twin situation, but he passed it up in favor of a much weaker play that ultimately came so late in the game that he didn't focus his time on sitting down with Pete and trying to puzzle out whether his info was reliable or not.
so excited to see Daniel J Layton on this series!! I've loved Dan's channel for many many years, and have been having a BotC hyperfixation the past month, and to see the two intertwine like this is wonderful !!!
Has anyone else noticed that Pete seems to accidentally screw over a fellow good player almost every game :D