The Best Sony Picture Profile | SLOG3 vs S-Cinetone
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- Опубликовано: 3 апр 2022
- Today we are diving into Sony's special S-Cinetone profile to see if it's something that I personally would use on projects.
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Had to jump on and comment real quick cause I’ve been in a rabbit hole of Sony color for the last 4 hours and your video just pulled me out of it. So clear and concise. Thank you bruv.
Really appreciate it! Glad you found it helpful!
I’m in that exact rabbit hole lol
just came across this knowing nothing about picture profiles for cameras. super easy to understand video about cinetine and slog and fantastic way to explaining what instances to use each profile in. love it.
Really enjoying your chill but very practical videos. Keep up the good work.
Appreciate it!
The Color Space Transform effect in Davinci Resolve's color tab makes it easy to grade S-Log3 without a LUT. I'm looking forward to shooting in that profile when my FX30 gets here.
you mean it will transform to r709 sir?
@@zann.image.official yep.
Great comparison video, subbed👍
appreciate it!
Good thoughts Thomas 👍🏻 I love both picture profils with my FX6 but the most time I use slog 3 👌 best cinematic greetings from germany
Thank you! Both are solid but slog3 is often times a better choice!
Great video. In Davinci, what should I configure when applying CST (or color management) for s-cinetone?
Such a good video Thomas! Love this. Do you have a video on how to expose right on slog3?
Appreciate it! Not yet but I will be making one soon!
Here's the lineup:
How I setup FX3
FX3 Review
How I Expose SLOG3
so it'll be here in 3-4 weeks!
nice review. i was asking me what is the really fuction of this cinetone,
because the FX30 has and the A7IV no.
and, i'm deciding which one it's the best.
все по делу, спасибо ) thanx, now all is clear!
Thomas great video. Any slog3 you recommend ? Thank you
For someone like me just landed in the videomaking game, the s-cinetone could be a game changer picture profile. But I’d love to see a full explanation of how you grade your footage. Ever thought about releasing a filmmaking online class?
S cinetone will be great for you! Expose what looks good and you’ll be set!
Oh forsure I will, my new color grading video will be out in a few weeks. And for the online class, I’m sure sometime down the road I will!
Great tip I’m new to Sony camera just bought the FX30. New friend here
Good day, please tell me the zebra function, you use on which value in s-Cinetone ?
Hey! Great video. I have the a7iv but find my images to be too warm. What white balance setting do you use?
Thank you! Hmm I’ve heard the sensor is a bit different than the a7siii / fx3 in terms of color (slightly)
I stick to kelvin- I used to use AWB but it kept shifting, so I like having it set to kelvin depending on the scene
Great video bro
Appreciate it!
Thanks!
Appreciate the support!
Eye opening thank you
course!
S-Cinetone with a mist filter I think would look quite nice ^_^
definitely!
very comprehensive video!!can i match the 2 profiles?also in slog 3 which is the exposure value?+1,+1.7 or stay with the waveform to be in the middle?
Thank you! Matching could work, they just look different ya know? Cinetone feels more crunched and sharper slog3 feels smoother and softer
For exposure im making a vid soon about this! You can’t always just the MM values, expose to what looks good!
@@thomas.kovacik thank u!!
I just tried S Log (have been using S Cinetone) and used the SLog Lut based in Final Cut and the inside footage is really noisy. Tried another lut and looked better but still noisy when compared to S Cinetone which has no noise?
I just got the Sony A6700 and trying to learn to shoot log and I’m having that noise problem. It’s so frustrating, when I just turn off log and shoot normally and it looks way sharper. Did you ever learn how to fix the noise issue with log?
That's really good and I'm switching to Slog3 from S-Cinetone on my A7sIII - do you have a video with any Slog exposure tips? I read that it's not necessary to overexpose any more?
thank you!
it’s all scripted and ready to film
no more over exposing! i eye it nowadays and make sure it looks natural and good haha
@@thomas.kovacik ah great - I can't wait for this - so used to S-cinetone that Slog3 is taking some getting used to!
When using S cinetone, would you suggest Auto WB or set the WB based on the weather/environment?
I have a niche use and thinking S cinetome with more saturation punch would be a massive benefit for me
I would try setting the WB as close to perfect as possible
I avoid AWB bc some minor things can shift the WB heavily
I use the Kelvin scale, and adjust according to the scene
Most often I'm around 5500-6500k, I dont change it for every shot but rather every lighting "setup"
If I'm out in the sun-5500-5800, if I'm shooting in the shade- 5800-6500 and so on
Yeah s cinetone with some saturation + grain + de-sharpening would look nice!
@@thomas.kovacik great response, thanks bro, appreciated
I’m comparing s cinetone and slog3 on my a7iv and I’m noticing how flat s cinetone is and especially how unsaturated it is compared to pp off.
Your clips said no grade and they don’t seem so desaturated to me. Should I just add saturation in the pp settings or what ? Like I think the s cinetone image on my a7iv is too unsaturated to be delivered without editing, and it doesn’t look like iPhone hdr footage like you suggested.
I reset the picture profile in case I had changed it
I would add saturation in post if you think there's not enough saturation
PP off will give you a very normal looking image, so naturally it'll have more contrast / saturation than slog3 or scinetone
And yeah I didn't adjust anything in this video, it was SOOC for scinetone
Would you say its mandatory to have an ND filter when shooting s-log 3? Im just now getting into cameras and this has been the clearest vid on picture profiles
Yeah I’d argue that it’s necessary to use in any video workflow! Spend the money and get good ones- nisi makes great variable filters, but fixed NDs will be the best for image quality retention
hi thomas
I would ask ;
what if I set the iso range between from 100 to as much as possible ? when auto iso sets upper 2000 in low light can't I get solutions properly ? or what happens?
I would always default to base iso for a balanced dynamic range - shift iso around when you want to favor shadows / highlight dynamic range
@@thomas.kovacik thank you Thomas so much 🙃
Thanks for the great video. Do you think then that shooting S-Cine in 10bit makes sense or it is a waste and if not grading stick to 8bit S-Cine?
Thanks! I’d still shoot 10bit for it, def not a waste
Incredible!
thank ya!
Perfect video!! Thank u so much😀
how are you getting such good shots with literally no noise?! what's pissing me off is that I shot in the same exact place as you which was bolsa chica/Huntington Beach and a lot of my footage either has noise, or isn't as sharp, vivid, and clean as yours. I am desperate for help please.
Finally! Someone who is trying to help rather than just push people into S-Log3. As a new video maker I can see from your presentation that I need to be in S-Cinetone profile for my hobbyist needs with my a7IV. I have a question: I understand there are LUTs for different purposes, so I want to shoot in S-Cinetone, then apply a simple LUT in DaVinci Resolve that pops it toward cinematic styling. EG, MotionVFX and other providers offer LUT packages that I think don't require your footage to be shot in Log. So, you don't have to be in Log to use these more generic LUTs, is that correct? You can apply LUTs in post to S-Cinetone for more style? Thanks for sharing this very helpful video.
appreciate it! cinetone is a great option forsure
You can definitely apply a lut and tone it back, most LUTs are designed to be applied after a 709 conversion
Since cinetone is a bit stylized vs a normal 709 look, you may have difficulty with some luts
I plan on making some creative luts specific for cinetone!
@@thomas.kovacik can you also make a tutorial color grading applying a lut on pp11 using DaVinci resolve?
I have an a7s3 and my main complaint about slog3 is how impractical the iso range is. If I want anything above 640, I need to jump to 12800, which causes a significant colour shift and makes skin tones look unnatural. It’s fine for event shooting, but not for commercial work. I’m curious if cinetone is better for those situations where you need iso 2000-6400? If not, canon cameras seem to be more practical for most shooting situations. No one seems to be talking about this.
I actually found the opposite! I can throw on a 3/6 stop ND with 12800 since it's soooo sensitive, you just need to adjust how you expose a bit and try to nail it to be perfect in camera (not overexposing or under exposing)
It feels natural to me since I came from the pocket 6k and it had base ISO ranges, and it was recommended to stay at 400 / 3200, but I often ran it at 1250 since it was cleaner
You do add sharpening and lose DR with cinetone, but yeah having the base of 100 / 2000 is much nicer I suppose
I have the c70 as well, and I always stay at the base of 800, I'll go up to 3200 if needed but its more noisy than 12800 on my fx3
You can forsure up your ISO in slog3, it'll just be cleaner with the best DR at the base
can you please make a video how to grade s-cinetone? I would be interested seeing what happens when you bring the highlights down in s-cinetone. Can you try to make s-cinetone look like slog3?
Definitely! That’s a great idea, I’ll add it to the list! In about 3 weeks I’ll be releasing my “how I grade slog3 video” so a bit after I‘ll make that video, that would be interesting to see
Great, can‘t wait to see it! 😃👌
@@thomas.kovacik have u released this video yet??? couldnt find it on your channel....
what about using these on a a6700?, for s-cinetone ISO 100-2000 also?, for slog3?, regards
not too sure, I know they're different
can't find info on google but it could be similar to fx30- 800/2500 in slog3
Scinetone looks like 125 and 400
One thing I noticed with SLOG-3 is that I get heaps of noise in the shadows, even at base ISO. Do you know why this may be? A7RV camera.
hmm that sensor is higher res than the fx3, so that may play a part
I know slog3 likes to be over exposed a tiny bit if anything (giving shadows a bit more level to then bring down). I've shot silhouettes without noise in shadows though
Hey man what cam/lenses did u use for those landscape shots?
hey! everything was shot with the fx3 unless specified
for lenses i have the sigma 24-70 and contax zeiss primes, most of it was shot on the sigma 24-70 i believe
I agree that S-LOG3 can be really good when properly colour-graded.
But, from my recorded interviews which have no dynamic range to recover, or so to say, I find that HLG3 is much better and sharper. Using 90mm macro to get a closer look at objects or using 35mm to only show hand instructions on handling experiments have more clarity and again with better sharpness.
So, for the time being, I use S-LOG3 outdoors when the dynamic range is important or during events with different light dimmings. But for a well-lit interview or handling experiments, I'll choose HLG3.
Hey wonder that,Do you apply sharpness to Slog3 footage in post? Cause in slog3, it is -7 in default
Never! I used to always add sharpness to everything but I stopped a few months ago. And yeah I leave it at default too!
@@thomas.kovacik thanks alot🙂🙏🏻
@@giligilichia course!
Why i get the flat picture profile when im shooting in S cinetone?
Could be a lot of variables, what lenses / filters are you using? Are you shooting in flat light? How are you exposing? Are the settings for cinetone correct?
What settings do you use for S-Log3 on your Sony FX 3?
I keep the log settings to the default! I use sgammut3.cine, use base iso, expose naturally and use good ND filters!
I also shoot in 4k 10bit 422, XAVC-SI
Very helpful video! Thank you. What Rec 709 Lut are you using?
appreciate it! i make my own 709 luts for each log curve i use- i have em on my website for sale if you’re interested!
@@thomas.kovacik oh that’s awesome, I’ll check it out. Just tried using S-Log 3 for the first time on my A7IV and can’t for the life of me make my red shirt look red instead of orange 😅
You can also get the official Sony slog 3 rec 709 lut directly from their website free.
yep! you definitely can
Would I be wrong if I corrected and said that base ISO on the A7IV is 125 and 500?
Not sure! Sony has some inconsistencies across their lineup so these base values differ between cameras and of course gammas
I think this was filmed with the fx3 before the major updates so it could’ve changed the cinetone values too- I know the low base iso changed to 800 from 640 in cine ei
What a mess haha
How come PP8 is no longer on FX3 does anyone know please? What is the equivalent profile?
With the FX3’s new updates they added cine ei to match the fx6 and 9
It’s still slog3 so use flexible iso, or cine ei and choose the gamma through there
I’ll be making a video on cine ei sometime soon
Ahh thank you so much!! Just tried it and didn't think it was working as playback still looks normal but once on my computer its def flat/washed out video! Can you change settings to playback in log please?@@thomas.kovacik
Does your sony slog3 / rec709 LUT work in Final Cut Pro?
Should! As long as you can import luts
@@thomas.kovacik Just bought the SLog3 LUT. At first, I thought $40 was expensive, but once I applied it in Final Cut Pro, my mind was blown! Hands down, it's the best LUT for beginners to work with. I was dreading color grading and color correction (about which I know nothing), and after trying countless other SLog LUTS including the Paul Leeming ones that just did not work, I thought either Sony SLog sucks or I suck at this! Turns out your LUT was all I needed to get great results out of the Sony FX30 at the click of a button! $40 is actually under-priced for the quality and user-friendliness of this LUT.
do you use LUTs on your s cinetone footage?
I don't! I only shoot slog3 too
Nice
Bro what’s up with the rip Ernesto
Scared me for a sec 😭
What are your thoughts on using technical & creative LUTs directly on your camera?
I dont like burning stuff in camera, adding luts in post doesn't take much time so I always go that route! Sometimes client requests scinetone so I'm cool with that
S log 3 does great in low right?
Yep!
Does the a7iv have cine 4?
Not sure! I think it should
Yes, cine 4 is available in a7iv
Cool picture profile but got no new camera just stay with my 7aiii
Yeah it’s rad but you can forsure make nice images with that camera!
4.43 you are soo cute :)
People who say s-log 3 is hard to grade just may not know how to grade
haha yeah, i think also people don’t really know how to expose stuff well- they rely on “settings” others tell them
getting it close to 100% in camera is huge
@@thomas.kovacik I totally agree 100%
basically s log 3 is for the pros lol and cine is for the wannabes. haha. s log 3 is hard af to work with, having your iso only in 640 0r 12800 your f stop 2 as your frame rate. and any more adjustments just have to be with a ND filter. so long story short, for most of us that shoot run and gun work s log 3 is not ideal. p11 is. but for those that got the time, lights, and patience to adjust every single shot, slog 3 is the way to go. as far as color grading is pretty hard as well for a ll the newbies. add the slog to 709 lut to get that main color and then just add other luts on top, ajust accordantly. thats it.
haha not really! I just shot a project all in cinetone bc client wanted an easier workflow
For slog3 if you lock shutter / iso you have aperture and ND to play with. I wouldn't be afraid to stop down a bit to help out, but also ND filters are just a normal part of filmmaking. 1-6 stops should be plenty
I shoot run n gun all the time outdoors in slog3 and it's pretty much the same thing as cinetone - they both have different base ISOs which does get weird. 100 and 2000 for cinetone was weird to get used to compared to 640/800 and 12800 hah
I'll make some beginner grading tutorials for slog3, as long as you get it right in camera it should be straightforward!
@@thomas.kovacik I been shooting scinetone wrong this whole time lmao today I been messing with slog 3 settings and footage and I finally got it, in how to expose and grade but it is a thing to get use too, I personally hate bd filters but like u said it’s part shooting, specially if you love shooting in aperture 1.4 1.2 . So now my problem is how horrible and ugly my 50 dollar Amazon ND filter is hahaha I have an event tonight I’m a try and shoot it a log 3 and see how that turns out lol.
does nobody know about color space transform in resolve please dont throw on a lut for rec 709 transfer lmao