@@Bewefau Thank you, I'm very aware of this movie. However, this was a “Hollywood” production, and not based on reality. Wargaming and AI. What would occur using current-day technologies? It would be fascinating to witness a wargame simulation utilizing two or three equivalent AI systems with all relevant data made available to them. I'm thinking along the lines of two to three (or even more?) different yet equally powerful AI systems, given read-only access to the WWW, a one-year settling time to acquire and process all relevant and accessible data, and then provide a date, or short window of time, for a declaration of hostilities. 1. Assign one AI to each nuclear power, or nation directly involved in the hostilities (i.e. America, China, Russia, Great Britain, Israel, etc.). 2. As an additional charter, require that they determine a winning solution that minimizes civilian casualties. 3. Further, allow the differing AI’s to choose, and even form alliances, or negotiate. Which system would win, and what would that end scenario look like? They could do several; one with nuclear weapons, one without, or even use biological deterrence. It would be very interesting I think, and I'd be willing to bet many first-world military powers are already doing this.
B-2 + 10 on stealth rolls F-35 + 4 dexterity rolls + 4 damage A-10 + 5 on Constitution rolls Chinook + 3 on strength rolls and carrying capacity D20 dice for wargaming. Can I come play ???
China Hypersonic carrier killer cruise missile +100 on die roll Hypersonic and 1000s of cruise long range precision missiles land attack missiles +100 Logistics advantage +200 Industrial Production capacity and potential +500 Morale and motivation military personal of defender of motherland vs expeditionary army fighting war on the other side of world +200 A clear strategy to win vs no reasonable strategic objective of USA +1000 - prevent Taiwan independence vs ??
At the end of the game he employed the Wizard spell, which doubled the loss to the Chinese to 10, 000. I have the same edition of the D&D game they were playing.
Totally unrealistic, run with dungeons and dragons dice 😂. Get an AI program to do it now. Besides it’s a war which will never happen, China will just blockade Taiwan and it’ll run out of fuel in months. US and NATO don’t even have troops in Ukraine. They’re not going to fight China. It’ll just be sanctions.
All these people in comments must have never read up on the accuracy of wargames in determining future events. They did the same simulation styles for Vietnam war and then the results happened in real life.
@@user-od4yl3rf4n They lost for a number of reasons, the military wargames simulations just showed the plausible outcomes. But they kept on going despite the predictions made by the wargames.
@@tonymedina922 You must’ve missed the *”I* talk to” after the “every person” part, be literate next time. Also, it’d be better to reference someone who pays attention.
Be sure the invoice to the Pentagram for paperboard, wooden chips and dices "wargame" was for at a minimum modest $300 million. Then the "consultant to play was another $600 million because they are "experts".
@@imsusanov2287 To say China didn't help Russia is like saying USA did not help Ukraine as no US troops or F35 bombed Russia. Back to your video game. Sorry to interrupt.
The conclusion in the end is completely nonsense. They need to have someone who understands the Chinese to participate. Losing 10000 men meaning that the Chinese will be humiliated is a joke.
China will attack with millions of men. Not thousands. Their population size is huge 4 times that of US. They will overwhelm Taiwan and Japan. This war is already lost.
They also forgot that russia and china has bases in south america. And the space tech , cyber tech which can drop bombs on american countries.This guy is wack-o he doesn't understand the tech right now. America relies on space GPS to target its enermies. US never had to face a Russia or China before which is superior to them in outer space. Instead they hit 3rd world countries and bully them around, even with afgan, iran and vietnam, beat them with bamboo sticks and pitch forks. Get real us, you are not as tough as you think you are anymore.
How do you think computer simed war games are run......it's all based on probability of outcome....or let me put it basic terms you'll understand. Math.
Duh, it's just a war game club for neocons. If you're a black homie in da hood, you don't get paid for doing this. If you're a white professional bullshxxer in DC, you get paid six digits to play games like this.
By studying the country and their war tactics, military base locations, personnel and equipment present, fleets, and also studying how the us fights wars, the fleet and personnel present in that area and by knowing how each country fights you would try to simulate that in the board, using each countries tactics and the ships and stuff they have being used as a playing piece
Mr Ammar you must be a smart man, why don’t you create a military simulator that can host millions of invidual moveable pieces that can be controlled by humans or players. Then accurately recreate every single tank/aircraft/boat that can even remotely be used for military operations and predict the future! I’m sure you could do it! After all we are better than a simple board game!
No, not really. They just needed to roll two 7s in a row and the Chinese would have been able to fight off the American forces. They couldn't do that. They lost fair and square. This just proves America will win the war .
A board game is actually a good way to think about this. Rolling a dice and getting random combinations would be realistic in the sense that a war can go ANY way. If you keep getting unlucky with the dice rolls, then you gotta make due with what ya got. You won't always have a fleet of destroyers at your disposal. 3 3 24
@@cartrack730 and 30% of their total trade is with China. So China is going to take over its own shipping lanes, in seas that the US long ago agreed (in 1971) to recognize as Chinese, and blockade trade with Australia. I'm sure this logic is as good as the logic that Iraqis would welcome American infidel overlords with pork chops and six packs.
russians would nuke america. chinese have a no first use policy on nukes. Meaning this war could actually happen with both the USA and China agreeing not to use nuclear weapons.
At this point in civilization... Maybe war should be nattled by probability and statistics along with at furthest VR battles to preserve military troop bodies. I think we have advanced as a civilization to the point conventional battles just wont work eventually. Just high cost and lost lives for very little reward.
Even if they got 2 of them, which is a huge ask. They will be trying to deal with another 5-7 of them a few days afterwards. This time with a vastly depleted missile force #checkmate
"iacta alea est" (the die is cast) ~ Julius Caesar "Jedenfalls bin ich überzeugt, daß der Kriegsgott nicht würfelt." ("I, at any rate, am convinced that the wargod does not throw dice" ~ Albert Einstein
@@FrederickTheGrt China would be a fool to send Nukes, they only hurt themselves. There will be a US nuclear sub somewhere in the ocean far away that will launch missiles and remove Beijing in a matter of minutes. Nobody is going to win. They know this, they have allot to lose unlike Russia.
its now sept 2023. War sure looks different from this simulation. Russia ships destroyed by several thousand dollar drone.. War has changed china is the mass producer of drone . The Russia jets don't play a major role in todays world its these hypersonic missles , drones, artillery targetted by satelites. The us abrams and german tanks are not doing too good. China now has a 7 nano chip and has almost caught up with the US tech. This simulation works for old warfare but its a new normal and those factors were not introduced in this simulation
Lmao, this was soo bad of prediction. You really think they are only gonna kill 10k in a first strike. First strike would encompass every us vessel they are aware of not just the 2 that are close.
Would you have preferred a online dice roller? Dice work on %chance of an outcome. What would you use to equate to the randomness in war? Sometimes theres an equipment failure, sometimes user error, sometimes morale can lead to forces performing better than usual, maybe weather affects the outcome of a fight between 2 opposing military units. Rts games are not as reliable as a dice based game because they don’t account for the randomness of real war. Dice are unbiased and can have a positive or negative outcome, the wake island battle in ww2 saw 4 us fighters vs 40 and those 4 fighters somehow shot down 21 which goes entirely against any predictable outcome
I would love to see a wargame simulation utilizing two AI systems with all relevant data made available to them. 🧐
Watch the movie War game.
@@Bewefau Thank you, I'm very aware of this movie. However, this was a “Hollywood” production, and not based on reality.
Wargaming and AI. What would occur using current-day technologies?
It would be fascinating to witness a wargame simulation utilizing two or three equivalent AI systems with all relevant data made available to them.
I'm thinking along the lines of two to three (or even more?) different yet equally powerful AI systems, given read-only access to the WWW, a one-year settling time to acquire and process all relevant and accessible data, and then provide a date, or short window of time, for a declaration of hostilities.
1. Assign one AI to each nuclear power, or nation directly involved in the hostilities (i.e. America, China, Russia, Great Britain, Israel, etc.).
2. As an additional charter, require that they determine a winning solution that minimizes civilian casualties.
3. Further, allow the differing AI’s to choose, and even form alliances, or negotiate.
Which system would win, and what would that end scenario look like? They could do several; one with nuclear weapons, one without, or even use biological deterrence. It would be very interesting I think, and I'd be willing to bet many first-world military powers are already doing this.
@@w0mblemania Agreed. The term GIGO (garbage in garbage out) still applies in this day and age.
Have you seen the video of the ai being told to remove the beans from the image of toast? thats probably how wrll the ai would do
@@ilikechicken5524 can you please send the link?
Psychopaths and sociopaths rule this world.
Primarily in the west - particularly in DC and City of London.
the audio mixing on this video is SO SCUFFED
It’s Dolby Atmos 😂
when they gonna release the board game?
😂😂😂😂😂
It’s just a reskinned game of Risk
@@ZetaMoolah except when a neocon with a PhD is playing it, suddenly it's worth a $100k report paid by the US taxpayer.
no it's not risk is a commercial stupid simple boardgame, these are more complex and complicated realistic simulations.@@ZetaMoolah
they aren't it is a professional wargame not a commercial wargame.
B-2 + 10 on stealth rolls
F-35 + 4 dexterity rolls + 4 damage
A-10 + 5 on Constitution rolls
Chinook + 3 on strength rolls and carrying capacity
D20 dice for wargaming.
Can I come play ???
China
Hypersonic carrier killer cruise missile +100 on die roll
Hypersonic and 1000s of cruise long range precision missiles land attack missiles +100
Logistics advantage +200
Industrial Production capacity and potential +500
Morale and motivation military personal of defender of motherland vs expeditionary army fighting war on the other side of world +200
A clear strategy to win vs no reasonable strategic objective of USA +1000 - prevent Taiwan independence vs ??
At the end of the game he employed the Wizard spell, which doubled the loss to the Chinese to 10, 000. I have the same edition of the D&D game they were playing.
😂😂😂😂
You mean the European theater Ukraine version?
Totally biased simulation
Those 3 week death tolls, in their board game, are what occurs in the first hour of reality.
Millions will die and before it's all said and done. Billions
Totally unrealistic, run with dungeons and dragons dice 😂. Get an AI program to do it now. Besides it’s a war which will never happen, China will just blockade Taiwan and it’ll run out of fuel in months. US and NATO don’t even have troops in Ukraine. They’re not going to fight China. It’ll just be sanctions.
ok
This was really enjoyable for my right ear.
All these people in comments must have never read up on the accuracy of wargames in determining future events. They did the same simulation styles for Vietnam war and then the results happened in real life.
Thats why they lost in Vietnam?
@@user-od4yl3rf4nyes.
@@user-od4yl3rf4n They lost for a number of reasons, the military wargames simulations just showed the plausible outcomes. But they kept on going despite the predictions made by the wargames.
@@Cole-T
the usa didnt really lose they gave up becausee of the anger of the plublic.
@@Dwight_ Cope
They could make some good money selling that wargame. My playgroup would try it at least once.
This is not an “if,” but “when” this war will happen
Yea it’s coming, and not in the hypothetical sense. Every person I talk to says they feel it’s coming.
if no one wants war, then amerikkkans should just gtfo of asia
@@extremeencounter7458 every person??? I just asked my wife and she had no clue what I was talking about.
@@tonymedina922 You must’ve missed the *”I* talk to” after the “every person” part, be literate next time. Also, it’d be better to reference someone who pays attention.
Only if you roll a double six, otherwise it's not happening.
They can cook up any report for a modest consult fee.
Be sure the invoice to the Pentagram for paperboard, wooden chips and dices "wargame" was for at a minimum modest $300 million. Then the "consultant to play was another $600 million because they are "experts".
What system are they using? And where can I get it
I feel like the US military recruiting zero competent recruits (and kicking good people out) is weighting our dice a little bit.
They're begging those who were kicked out for no vaccines to return. Ha ha ha!
Let these old people go to their war and let the younger people live their life
US,Australia,Japan & Philippine 😮
China alone?
Russia,North Korea,Iran 😊
Nuclear heads?
US, UK, Australia, Japan, France, Germany
Vs
China
Since China didnt helped Russia against Nato supported Ukraine
I doubt Russia will support China against taiwan
@@imsusanov2287 To say China didn't help Russia is like saying USA did not help Ukraine as no US troops or F35 bombed Russia. Back to your video game. Sorry to interrupt.
2:15 - Given the history of America's typical "proportionate response" after getting hit with sneak attacks, this math checks out.
Except they won't be "retaliating" against goat hearders this time.
They only know because they plan it themselves and then take credit. Not really difficult to predict when you are on the know how.
I honestly wanna play this game we're can i get it?
The conclusion in the end is completely nonsense. They need to have someone who understands the Chinese to participate. Losing 10000 men meaning that the Chinese will be humiliated is a joke.
💯 true.
China will attack with millions of men. Not thousands. Their population size is huge 4 times that of US. They will overwhelm Taiwan and Japan. This war is already lost.
They also forgot that russia and china has bases in south america. And the space tech , cyber tech which can drop bombs on american countries.This guy is wack-o he doesn't understand the tech right now. America relies on space GPS to target its enermies. US never had to face a Russia or China before which is superior to them in outer space. Instead they hit 3rd world countries and bully them around, even with afgan, iran and vietnam, beat them with bamboo sticks and pitch forks. Get real us, you are not as tough as you think you are anymore.
Agreed
frankly speaking, china would indeed feel humiliated, but that would not be the end of the war.
Playing dungeons and dragons then calling it a simulation 😂
You would be suprised how accurate D&D Navy addition can be.
How do you think computer simed war games are run......it's all based on probability of outcome....or let me put it basic terms you'll understand. Math.
These guys are smarter than you and serve their country better than you
They also said Ukraine would win against Russia.
That’s really sociopathic
Well that’s the Pink Pale mans nature.
who mixed the audio for this LOL
Looks precisely like the war board game of the Imperial Japan right before attacking Pearl Harbor.
Oh wow could you link to it?
Who screwed up the audio?
Didn't know you can establish a 'Centre of Strategic Studies' by inventing a board game.
Duh, it's just a war game club for neocons.
If you're a black homie in da hood, you don't get paid for doing this. If you're a white professional bullshxxer in DC, you get paid six digits to play games like this.
By studying the country and their war tactics, military base locations, personnel and equipment present, fleets, and also studying how the us fights wars, the fleet and personnel present in that area and by knowing how each country fights you would try to simulate that in the board, using each countries tactics and the ships and stuff they have being used as a playing piece
Mr Ammar you must be a smart man, why don’t you create a military simulator that can host millions of invidual moveable pieces that can be controlled by humans or players. Then accurately recreate every single tank/aircraft/boat that can even remotely be used for military operations and predict the future!
I’m sure you could do it! After all we are better than a simple board game!
CSIS has been around since the early 60s. They didn't invent that board game. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about.
TAIWAN Men must step up
Like Ukraine has ,,,📢
this was too simplistic.
No, not really. They just needed to roll two 7s in a row and the Chinese would have been able to fight off the American forces. They couldn't do that. They lost fair and square. This just proves America will win the war .
"A war game" you said.…..enjoy your fiction victory well not back to reality facts...
Google translate did no justice for you here
You know, it's always amazes me that you can simulate how a war would play out with a board game, all the way back to 19th century.
So two US carriers rush to Guam to die?
RIght, like ??? It doesn't even say how they are destroyed/damaged, DF-21 from onshore launchers? A chinese sub? Chinese vessels?
A board game is actually a good way to think about this.
Rolling a dice and getting random combinations would be realistic in the sense that a war can go ANY way.
If you keep getting unlucky with the dice rolls, then you gotta make due with what ya got. You won't always have a fleet of destroyers at your disposal. 3 3 24
"All we do is win......win....win"
The Hollywood movie never ends just keep the sequels rolling.
This NEEDED TO BE LONGER LOL
And twice as dramatic on those rolls of irrelevancy 😂
That’s in all accordance that we all play nice and play according to the game
Too bad these games aren't available to the public
This is why I’m staying away from the military.
Woulda been good if u could hear his voice over the background music
An Excel spreadsheet and some dice? Who knew military strategy was so complex?!!!
as a wargamer ... thats just Tuesday to me lol
Unironicaly seems like a fun board game, pls tell me they sell it so i can play it with freinds.
I can maybe understand Japan and Philipines to join the war? But Australia?? I mean wtf...they are so far away... whats their reason to send soldiers?
They rely on 100% trade. Shipping lanes would be taken over. They would starve just as Japan would.
we are not far away from the south china sea, it’s our backyard
@@cartrack730 and 30% of their total trade is with China. So China is going to take over its own shipping lanes, in seas that the US long ago agreed (in 1971) to recognize as Chinese, and blockade trade with Australia. I'm sure this logic is as good as the logic that Iraqis would welcome American infidel overlords with pork chops and six packs.
Usa tells its bitches to fight, they will fight. U need a reason?😂
Australia is part of Oceania
Ive always heard of them playing wargames, but never pictured them on a board rolling dice lol. Not sure what i was expecting
Department of defense board game purchased from the half off shelf at your local Walmart store
I would love to be in that room :)
They did this in the backroom of a comic book shop. The shop was hosting it.
All you have to do is play Civ 6, get to the endgame, and realize war is pointless.
*in fine print: for entertainment purposes only*
I hear they get together on weekends and play dungeon and dragons....
Even the general said war will start in 2 years
What's this groups past prediction on USA vs Russia. That should be the first methodological question asked before taking anything they say seriously.
russians would nuke america. chinese have a no first use policy on nukes. Meaning this war could actually happen with both the USA and China agreeing not to use nuclear weapons.
The government out here playing real life d&d
Real life is not determined by rolling a D20 like in Dungeons & Dragons !!!!
Really wish I could have that board game...
The "instagram influencers from Taipei" supply must be safeguarded at any cost.
You need better sound engineers. The quality of this videos audio is horrible.
I would be kicked for playing this again and again.
I wanna buy this boardgame
bars and nobles has the D and D addition.
Roles a 1
:I'd like to personally welcome our chinese overlords.
At this point in civilization... Maybe war should be nattled by probability and statistics along with at furthest VR battles to preserve military troop bodies. I think we have advanced as a civilization to the point conventional battles just wont work eventually. Just high cost and lost lives for very little reward.
Rolling dice and get the outcome ?
those numbers 1-20 on 5 dices, are not random, coz the results always the same.
bro I want this game
Are they trying to dictate how war likes to happens
Hope they on good money , how did they know bout COVID then
We all stood by as china took hong Kong this is why they feel they can take more
😂 you have got to be kidding me if this is how they truly stimulate war then I'm moving to china and taking My chances there
Wargame has been used all the way back to 19th century, what are you talking about ?
It will get serious when they start playing BINGO.
😅
Now do US vs US in a Civil War.
0:29 yup...-😇✌
They should get Matt Mercer to DM
I wanna learn how to play this.
Axis and allies on steroids.
Yeah they just predicted it all right not like they knew it was gonna be used as a weapon
They playing Risk
Remember pearl harbor
Literally another Vietnam
China is not sinking our carriers. Their top speed is classified for a reason
they can go super sonic?
Even if they got 2 of them, which is a huge ask. They will be trying to deal with another 5-7 of them a few days afterwards. This time with a vastly depleted missile force #checkmate
how many missile will it take to sink an US aircraft carrier?@@aaron1029791
Give ma a brick you guy/gals are literally roiling a dice and call it a study/simulation! Are we suppose to take these findings seriously!
Why do you want a brick?
oh what you want an actual war to happen so we can see the results?
@@cooldude-mi9wz No I want people to realized that this is propaganda to push a political agenda. Namely we need more weapons from the arms industry.
@@cartrack730 😂😂😂
"iacta alea est" (the die is cast) ~ Julius Caesar
"Jedenfalls bin ich überzeugt, daß der Kriegsgott nicht würfelt." ("I, at any rate, am convinced that the wargod does not throw dice" ~ Albert Einstein
Hubris 😢
I want to play this game.
As much as i respect the group. These figures are way too low in some areas and way to high in others. I think they missed key sections of the war
Here we go！ The board game week！ here goes the 200 years of history. 😂
So far it's China 2, USA 0 - Korea and Vietnam!
play with DICE? ......................OMG
I think we need a base in Japan.
US has several bases in Japan already
So dictators be no more. Viva cristo rey 👑 freedom
Chinese play mahjong
…. Rolling dice….
How did they predict the coronavirus unless it was they who released it? They just shot themselves in the foot.
Stop noticing
It was in a simulation report by George Soro's lol 2013 I think.
Japan and australia should stop being alied with a warmmonger.
what about nukes ? Could they use them ?
Yes but that’s later in the war
War happens for awhile before that one goes down.
The game doesn't have nukes, so nukes won't be used in real life. The game has spells, so Wizard spells can be employed.
@@FrederickTheGrt China would be a fool to send Nukes, they only hurt themselves. There will be a US nuclear sub somewhere in the ocean far away that will launch missiles and remove Beijing in a matter of minutes. Nobody is going to win. They know this, they have allot to lose unlike Russia.
No such thing as nukes
What kind of 🎲 is that ?i want it tattoos in my right 💪
Wtf what if you roll a 1
roll again, duh! That's how they predicted victory in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, Yemen...
its now sept 2023. War sure looks different from this simulation. Russia ships destroyed by several thousand dollar drone.. War has changed china is the mass producer of drone . The Russia jets don't play a major role in todays world its these hypersonic missles , drones, artillery targetted by satelites. The us abrams and german tanks are not doing too good. China now has a 7 nano chip and has almost caught up with the US tech. This simulation works for old warfare but its a new normal and those factors were not introduced in this simulation
Lmao, this was soo bad of prediction. You really think they are only gonna kill 10k in a first strike. First strike would encompass every us vessel they are aware of not just the 2 that are close.
You lost me when you rolled dice or a game piece 😂🇩🇪🇺🇸🙃👍
dice simulates the randomness of battles
Would you have preferred a online dice roller?
Dice work on %chance of an outcome.
What would you use to equate to the randomness in war? Sometimes theres an equipment failure, sometimes user error, sometimes morale can lead to forces performing better than usual, maybe weather affects the outcome of a fight between 2 opposing military units.
Rts games are not as reliable as a dice based game because they don’t account for the randomness of real war.
Dice are unbiased and can have a positive or negative outcome, the wake island battle in ww2 saw 4 us fighters vs 40 and those 4 fighters somehow shot down 21 which goes entirely against any predictable outcome
This is a bored game not real war so all of it is false
Axis and allies 2026. Lets go
☮☮☮
Poo Bear has zero chance of winning vs most of the world!!!
According to the pentagon China already has much better weapons and higher technology than us USA,game over for us and for orange guy and sleepy Joe.
A Ukraine the poorest country in Europe Ukraine using basic limited donated older weapons from a handful of nations