Fender 1966 Super Reverb vs Reissue | Can you hear the difference? | Thomann
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- Simon from Guitar Point brought an original 1966 Fender Super Reverb and we compared it to the 65 Super Reverb Reissue. Can you hear a difference? Which one do you like better? Let us know in the comments!
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Interesting bits and pieces:
0:04 1966 Super Reverb | Playing Strat bridge pickup
0:20 Reissue Super Reverb | Playing Strat bridge pickup
0:36 Introduction
1:04 '66 Super Reverb | Talking Speakers
1:50 '66 Super Reverb | Playing Strat neck pickup
2:14 Reissue Super Reverb | Playing Strat neck pickup
2:38 Talking amp sounds
3:50 Trying to sound match the amps
6:20 Talking vintage amp mojo & differences to modern amps
6:58 Guitar Volume 2 to 10
7:06 '66 Super Reberb | Guitar Volume 2 to 10
7:55 Reissue Super Reverb | Guitar Volume 2 to 10
8:43 Outro & Goodbye
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Hey guys, Kris here! First of all, check out Guitar Point for some really tasty vintage gear. Thanks for visiting us Simon!
Second, this was not a dead serious, scientific comparison, more an interesting eye opener to see if these reissues are in the same ballpark as old Fenders.
Important note: we were not using any effect pedals in the video. The pedal you see is a high-end true-bypass switcher, nothing more.
Enjoy and let us know what you hear. 👍🏻
Interesting demonstration thanks guys. Unexpectedly, I preferred the new reissue. The reissue sounds like it has a little more thicker tone, perhaps a touch more midrange at the same settings.
Reissue sounds great but that 66 is "better" for me. A much more detailed warm tone to my ears :-)
Most definitely and I'm not even going by this video I've done my own comparison. The reissue will never have the authenticity and character of an original blackface.
If it's around the same price definitely vintage, but once you get the speakers broken in it'll sound the same
Builderphill it would better, never the same. No damn way! Can’t compare to handwired circuitry, the old blue molded caps, better, less efficient speakers. Solid pine cabinet and so on and so forth.
@@Texasbluestunes well it won't be exactly the same, but it's not worth paying a high premium for
I agree. And the Originals are way more 3D sounding then the RI.
I'll guarantee that most opinions expressed here are from people who've never owned an old one, let alone played one that's set up properly. Electronic components don't 'wear in', they wear out. I've never been without at least one blackface Super Reverb over the last 30years. They always sound better with fresh, new, good quality caps (leave the blue ones alone!), NOS tubes and speakers that have been reconed or replaced when needed. Weber makes Alnico speakers that are easily as good as the CTS. There's no magic about those Schumacher transformers either. They are terrific but many modern ones (Magnetic Components from NJ) are as good or better. Sure, all of it adds up but a pine cab and that thin floating baffle vibrating together for 50+ years has a big effect.
C. P. There’s clearly a difference with the vintage having a more open subtle warm saturation (really glorious), and the reissue being a bit more stilted and lacking that killer slightly lofi sound that is so soft and dreamy sounds. But it’s not like the reissue doesn’t have a great sound, it’s just it’s own thing. The super reverb is something I’ve wanted for ages. Im wondering how much of that vintage mojo I can bring to the reissue with complimentary tone tweaking solutions
@@mantashaft In my opinion, the solid pine cabinet is really important. It almost gives a reverb effect. Next thing is the power tubes. The SR has a pronounced mid scoop and one tube, the vintage GE 6L6GC, is the only one to get. It's got a nice mid bump missing from most other 6L6 tubes that fattens up the sound. They last for years too. Other tubes especially vintage RCA blackplate 6L6GC emphasise the scoop and makes it harder to find a 'slot' in a band mix. The SR is possibly the most fiddly black panel amp to adjust tonally, but the rewards are there.
The 64' handwired reverbs and the handwired tweeds actually nail the tones of the reissues with the right speakers in them. Fender's reissues are excellent. Hell, Joe Bonamassa put his name on one.
Agreed
I recently re-bought a SR but opted for a RI. I had an original BF version in the 70's. I would have preferred an original 60's BF like you guys have here but my gawd, ppl... these amps are now 60 years old!! I honestly didn't think Leo intended us to be playing them 60+ years hence. The new-to-me SRRI is with my tech for a look-over and to replace the rectifier tube which apparently got damaged in shipping.
I would have much preferred a hand-wired version and several makers, Marsh Amps in Florida for one, does hand-wired versions. They run the same $$'s as a mint original but has all-new "inards"... not 60 yo ones!! I went for the PCB RI and that's that. There are LOTS of RISR reviews here on YT and their owners LOVE them!! Good enough for me. Oh BTW, I recently bought a fully hand-wired Suhr Hombre 1-12 combo. Based on a 50-60's Deluxe, it kicks ass!! If you might need/desire one of the best 1-12 combos currently available, check one out. You'll be impressed, guaranteed. 😀😀
Amps are like fine wine. Let it mature and it will give back soooo much. I love the '66, it sounds great. It had 54 years (my age by the way) to sound like that. The reissue also sounds good but, in time, will shine on its own. I like them both.
Old one sounds like the new one but with a blanket thrown over it. Definitely prefer the new.
An eq pedal could make either sound close to the other. You can get a nice used reissue now for $1,000. If you're really wild you can send your reissue to someone who mods them to hand-wired, and you can go with any variety of speakers. With an old one, you probably wouldn't want to mess with it.
I'd take a reissue and mod it. No one is going to bank significant money on old-amp appreciation. It's not easy finding one that isn't ripped and worn too.
On every demonstration there is reverb on in the 66 clips vs a dry signal for the reissue clips. What’s going on here?
Yes, makes it impossible to determine the true difference between amps.
I know eh. Hilarious. And everyone is like 'so much 3d mojo on the original'. Lol of course theres a nice verb adding harmonics and space.
Interesting! I have a 1967 BF Super Reverb that sounds a good bit different than both of these. Where both here sounded sort of dark and muffled, as if the amps had a blanket over them, my SR has loads of top end and shimmer. While these sounded great, to my ear, they sounded very round and compressed compared to my amp that can be borderline piercing without taming the highs a little bit.
I agree, not the best example. I think something was off in the recording. Neither one makes me want to go out and get a Super Reverb, or a Strat.
I have a bone stock 67 w/ the CTS Alnico’s. I would say it sounds quite different from this demo as well
I printed the image of the two fenders and I perception that the reverb knob of reissue was less open than original!
66 sounds incredible. Reissue a little thin but workable.
When the potentiometers from both amps are set the same, the settings are different. The reason is that the 66 potentiometers have a different ratio compared to the reissue.
It chaps my freaking arse that these demos are so unscientific in the way they never control for different variables. Or another pet peeve, when they do a demo of a Super Reverb but they only play it through a humbucker guitar. It's like, WTF? I've even seen a builder of boutique clones do this. It's like he actually doesn't _want_ to sell his own amps. If I actually had the equipment and resources to do it, I'd devote a whole channel to simply getting the _RIGHT_ kinds of comparisons/demos that people are starving for.
Reissue hands down for me, the old one has some fizz and click going on.
Nah man. the reissues are modern junk
The 66 has a clearer, warmer sound
@@BITESIZEJONES dumbest thing I've ever heard. Junk?
These two amps have a name and some basic circuitry in common, but that’s where it ends. Just the speakers are completely different. The factory Jensens and the CTS alnicos are very different sounding speakers. Also, a close mic’ed amp with no stereo separation always sounds super harsh. No offence to those who put this video together, it’s clearly a great effort, but both amps sounded terrible to me in this video. I have a ‘64 SR and I’m quite familiar with them, and I have never come across one that didn’t sound phenomenal when dialed in nicely. Even the re-issues usually sound great.
totally different. Reissue is nice clean but with a bit of dirt like in the intro the vintage sounded cooler imo
I think the reissue sound fine. Will it be as reliable? Only time will tell. Keep in mind, what you hear in this video is a recording. I didn’t think the purpose of this was to determine what to change on the reissue to make it sound the same as the original. I am not convinced I would hear the difference in a recording between solid pine and plywood. They may play differently but from a casual observer, I don’t think I can. Thanks for posting!
I prefer the sound of the vintage one! Both amps sounds nice on my speakers. I currently own a pretty early 68 super and it has the mojo. I’ve played a lot of reissues and I like them a lot but I bought a vintage one for a reason.
If those things are set at the same settings, they sound like completely different amps. People in comments are suggesting subtle differences? What? I just think something is wrong. I have a Mustang 2 and a Bassman Tweed and the thing is, I have gone so many times to the Mustang Surf preset when recording. Also, if you look over the new solid-state Twin Reverbs, they do many tests where folks can't tell the difference. I guess what I am trying to say is if you mess with the re-pop, I would guarantee you can get whatever sound you want.
I personally think the old one sounds better, however the Reissue can be adjusted to sound very close to the old one. I do like the sound of the origionals, even though each one of them sounds slightly different from the others. Components, speakers, etc. Just like a 426 HEMI sounds different and better than the New HEMI's. I do miss "the old days..." Excellent post. Thanks.
P.S. I just ordered the '65 reissue from sweetwater. It'll be here in 3 days. The full volume on the RI sounded better than the '66.
Switch the grilles on those he would have liked the other one better. Its all in your head. Pretentious bs. Both sounded great.
Does they have the same tubes ? Nos tubes like mullards, telefunken,... are more warm and detailed than chinese tubes. The new’s speaker need to be playing more
Philips JAN would be more than ok, and concentrate your efforts on V2, V6, output tubes and the rectifier. If Mullard or Telefunken then V1 and rectifier are the only positions where it wouldn't be a senseless waste of money. But RCA black plates do sound really nice in the power amp!
I've not tried a Super Reverb re-issue , but I have tried the RI Twin and it is has a very hard Mid range ( Harsh & cheap sounding !) compared to a real sixties Twin.
I had one as well and I agree, it has kind of a "artificial" sound to it or something, can't exactly wrap my head around it. I sold it and bought a Marshall DSL40 and I'm happy now!
Something cold and spikey about the 64 reissue Twin. A harsh middle/ top end. The Custom 68 Twin sounds much nicer and is much more versatile, as well as a better pedal platform.
Side by side you can really tell if you have the ear I just very recently picked up a very nice CS Troposphere 56 Strat and absolutely love it BUT have to say I have never had a new Strat I've been playing a 65 small headstock original for many years and I really had to change my mind set cause when I first picked it up it felt SO new 😂 but quickly realized how nice it was and needed to be played/broken in and I am extremely looking forward to doing that Plus have never ordered one online w/o playing first VERY happy and it's 6 lbs 11 Oz's and #11 made SUPER faded she'll pink Supposedly was the one on Fenders on line limited edition presentation 2020 Fantastic guitar
New one just for the reliability 👍🏽😀 great demo Sir 👏🏽👏🏽
The old one was made in 1966 and still plays, is that not reliable enough?!? I hear the reissues go through tubes faster than the originals.
My old hardwired amps have been far more reliable than the new printed circuit boards. I think every newer fender I had broke the connection where the tube socket connected to the pcb board.
@@liggettguitars3323 Try some NOS tubes
For years my rig consisted of a 1966 super Reverb and a 1965 Pro Reverb! With a crash of 2008 both of those beautiful amplifiers had to go along with several guitars which just sucks! Currently I'm playing through a Tone King Imperial Mark 1 and a Dr. Z Maz 18 Jr 2X10 and the tone is Heavenly! But I have to say I really do miss my two Fender Blackface amplifiers and will never be able to replace them at the price they're going for these days.
No pedals would give a better A/B comparison. Here in the USA we play, many of us, with out pedals on a Fender. Marshall, VOX...pedals!
José Benito Martínez Jr. hey there, we were not using any FX pedals. The pedal I was using is a true-bypass switcher to go from amp one to amp two. That’s it. 👍🏻
//cheers, Kris
@@ThomannsGuitarsBasses Okay...my bad. Great post! Keep them coming"! Greetings from Hollywood California.
@ Greeting José! Thanks man!
//Kris
I think the new line of fender amps sound incredible unfortunately there are some serious design flaws within after those are addressed by a good tech the amps are on par sonically with the sixties era
Mine had CTS alnicos.
Sure miss it
1/2023: Any idea why fender chose the '65 Super Reverb to be the Reissue year rather than any other year that the super reverb was manufactured? No one addresses this question. Thanks
Take out the bright cap on the reissue and that’ll warm it up more like the original.
The original has a bright cap too
Lars Thomsen but it’s a different variable. It’s a lot smoother than these new reissues. Promise you brother. I’ve done these mods to my deluxe and it sounds better than an original deluxe. Put in an eminence Alessandro 12”, cut the bright cap, replace the crappy groove tubes with some JJ’s and bias it correctly, replace the rectifier with a JJ GZ34 rectifier tube and you’re in business. I would rather turn up the treble knob to get brightness and gain rather than relying on a fizzy thin sounding bright cap.
@@aaronbrooks3913 Probably right. Never did a comparison on the schematics. I've had plenty of old Fender amps to know, that if not maintained to 100% and setup right, they sound so-so. No one would consider to put a cheap new Jensen or chinese tubes in an original BFSR either. So those changes and some playing in would definitely help.
Lars Thomsen oh yea man. I’ve compared against a 1966 black face deluxe reverb and actually liked the breakup of my new modded one. And my newer modded one took pedals better when set clean. That is probably due to not having the bright cap.
It doesn't even sound like you've set the reverb the same?
Robert Glen Old spring reverbs sound different. Over time the springs loosen up and give it that airy vintage mojo.
Trying to figure out how can you make the best sounding amp on Earth to sound like a 75$ harley benton amp.
the reissue gives more treble and bass make it sound warmer and the original one still bright! ill take the vintage ofcourse
Why is that? I would take the vintage too even though I love the sounds of the RI
//Andy
Thing to ask, is ... which one will last and which one isn't going to?
Who has heard that old 1966 amp when it was new? Well I did. Any new Fender from early sixtieth sounded rough, Harsh, lots of bite . Also a big difference in speakers. We are hear comparing apples with lemons. I do not know if the reissue is a PCB or not.
The 66 SR had maybe a bit more harmonic complexity in the mid/hi's On that first little bit anyways Now have to say NASA did a study on time/usage and how it effects electronic circuitry They said it adds a natural compression of some sort which is understandable as far as the tone tells us
Thanks Paul! I have to look for that NASA study. That's a very interesting subject. Cheers //Kris
Just curious as to what the innards look like in that re-issue. Fender spared no expense ... err, I mean, most of their reissues are just junk inside. And the '66 is FAR more reliable and will last for three lifetimes ... I've had a '64 since it was brand new in March of that year, as well as a '66, so I have a little experience with them ...
The reissues are PCB based a lot of the PCb Based Fender are made with unproven and sometimes lesser quality parts I have a 1969 Super Reverb that has only had the Filter Caps replaced I clean the tube sockets and replaced the Tubes when needed and it was Extremely Quiet No Noise.All the New Fender amps that I have tested have had Noise Issues .
I love fender amps but not a big fan of strats + fender amps. I’m not a SRV guy
That guitar needs a set up
the 66 sounds like it is not completely clean , has a little growl to it .
That's a night and day difference. Wow.
Original 66 sounds depper in bass range and is better in general i think. The reissue has a spectre located more in middle range and is not bad, maybe this reissue will sound better in 30 years ;) But for sure i will take the original 66 for now
From 3:50 to 6:50 what was the amp volume on the Vintage Super? You said the RI was 8.
The original 66 Sounds just awesome!!! Am personally a huge fan of the Twin Reverb myself but this amp was also amazing. A good future video would be to do a comparison of all the blackface Fender Amps from 65 and 66 just for the tonal differences. The guitar looks pretty amazing as well.
Ich weiß nicht, Leute - durch die trockene Mikroabnahme des Amps kommt über das RUclipsvideo nicht viel an, was zu Begeisterungsstürmen führt. Könnte auch ne digitale Büchse sein.
It would have been helpful to show the decible display while playing...
Hey Stephan, you're right. We had to consider other things too while editing and our good old buddy, the db meter didn't get the well deserved attention. ha ha! I can tell you, that we were way over realistic stage volumes, pretty much all throughout the video. Somewhere between 112 and 117 db.
We will try to pay more attention to the db meter whilst editing in the future.
//cheers, Kris
This is silly When the 66 Super Reverb was brand new it would have sounded different, certainly stiffer and less supple. In other words it would have sounded like the new reissue. Play the reissue for a couple of thousand hours and let the speakers break in and Mr MoJo 1966 will be just another old used amp albeit a fine one.
No, the old amps used hand wired circuits with quality components, instead of cheap circuit boards used on the modern reissues.
Nice speech
New ones sound darker, less chimy, Breathes less. I don't know if it's because of the speakers.
RI sounds good but no where near as good and 3D as the older ones. Something you have to play in person. My 67 SR with speaker upgrade and SS rectifier upgrade easily smokes the RI it's got way more soul.
I am very confused..Fender Super Reverbs??...are you trolling me?
66 hands down....
The reissue sounds good but can't touch the TONE of the original!
where can we get the dBA-meter?
Clean tone: reissue
Cranked: 66
But to be sure, you have to:
-Play them into the same cab
-play them with the same tubes and bias
Oh come on guys have you ever bought a new speaker and found that it sounds brittle until it has hours of use and also the cabinet beds in just like an acoustic guitar so this is a moot point as far as I am concerned. This comparison can only be appreciated after the new amp has many hours under its belt so no good to me. Also the new amp will blossom after many hours of playing but the old amp will die long before the new amp so it’s a false economy that you are demonstrating and what person in the audience can tell the difference in a band situation!!
It took an entire 31 seconds lol the OG wins! What’s next
Put some decent sized strings on that guitar!! Those things sound like floppy rubber bands. Sorry. Second guitar I ever had, was a 1964 Stratocaster. First, was a 1954 Stratocaster ... First amp, was a 1964 Super Reverb, brand new.
Its very easy to get the tone of the 66 if you know what to do. Just get rid of the cheap transformer and replace the tubes for good ones... thatll get you 70% there
And break the speaker in properly.
@@TimMer1981 yup or use actual old cts speakers
Nice video. Man those old Supers can't be beat. The new ones just don't have that (whatever that may be)
Pardon my intrusion. But it seems to me that players should be strongly addressing Fender to make them like they used to, while keeping the price inside the universe; rather than compare/contrasting the sound of old technology that lasts, versus new technology that won't.
I feel sorry for the reissue
Is the reissue hand wired?
No. If it were, it would cost a thousand more...at least.
This isn’t a true comparison. You should swap speakers from the 1966 to the new Super Reverb, & vice versa. Speakers MEAN A LOT TO SOUND!!!
Depends....what were the original speakers in the BOSS RADIO years 1966? Jensen USA made! I agree the speakers do mean a lot but the circuitry of the reissue has a bit to play. Circuit board vs Handwired etc...!
3 Card Monty We were not trying to compare parts of these combos, but the whole units. You can of course modify your reissue amp with vintage speakers, tubes, etc. but that’s a whole different story. Thanks for your comment!
//cheers, Kris
There's a difference between 60 year-old speakers and brand new speakers...just sayin.
The cabinet on the new one needs to grow old only 15 years more and BINGO. Unfair comparison, also plywood Fender cabinets sounds great when is geting older too. And then the speakers..bla bla
66
Reissue for me!
U guys are great awesome gear but u need to get down to basics.Check out brushy one string (chicken in the corn)jam on boys...
These "reissue" amps that Fender keeps making are just a ghost of the real thing. Yeh, they might sound good. But how long will they last? And how glad will your amp tech be to see you coming, with one of those things? Players need to be demanding that Fender build handwired amps in the US that don't require a second mortgage on your house. Fender should be ashamed of themselves, but of course they aren't because they are too busy enjoying the money they make from this junk. THAT, from a player of 59 years, and owner of a '64 and a '66 Super Reverb; a '67 Showman, a '76 Twin and a '62 Bandmaster. Oh yeh, a '77 Deluxe Reverb that sounds incredible ...
Such comparisons are just click-bait and bare non-sense. A 50 years old amp has aged in all aspects, especially the speakers and electronic parts (condensers, resistors). The same applies to guitars where the magnets are losing strength. Additionally the production consistency was lousy 50 years ago. So the only conclusion you can draw from such comparisons is that the old amps sound different (most probably each of those due to different ageing). The talk about the "mojo" appears just as delusional.
Lol condensers? I believe you bought a refrigerator instead of an amp man 😂✌🏼.
More presence in the black face
Original model sounds better. Reissue not so good
No comparison.
Sorry ...but I can't get past that guitar! Not good. That set up (or lack thereof) is heinous! The notes can't even ring out.
The old amp sounds farty, kind of mushy
There is no contest. I’m going to seek an old one. It makes the reissue sound like garbage!!
Reissues are fine amps... But this 65 reissue sounds terrible. It sounds like a blanket is over it. No highs no chime... just low end n mids no clarity whatsoever. I know the 66 sounds better in general sense considering an original PTP vs PCB reissue but it's not THAT much better. This is just night and day.
Could be the mic placement. Am not impressed of either of the amps.
The 66 sounds like it needs work, kind of farty
The new one sucks
66 👍 - reissue 👎🏼
Silly not listen through the same speakers to do an AB test...... easy to do.