Kind of crummy that the loot changes so drastically based on level etc. It was always exciting to find an auger or chainsaw day 1 off a lumberjack or garage storage
Thank you, Been trying to see what do all the different loot related stats and buffs do for quite a while now. I appreciate the time you took to hand analyze it. You deserve much more recognition.
I'm currently playing in a server with a few friends. I was pretty new and went all into lucky looter. When a veteran friend and I were raiding a shotgun messiah factory he was absolutely raving about how I was finding schematics, mods and weapons in the trash alone. Made me feel good
Wow...that was a TON of hard work. I know because I've done my own testing. A big thanks and appreciation for what you've done. Quality reference content for the community!
Well, that's the best testing of this i have seen. I had been REALLY wanting to know if using looting bonuses affected books. No more wasting eye kandy on a crack a book for me!
Yeah nothing more obnoxious than looting like 50 book loots and getting paper from like 40 of them. Good to know that eyecandy wont really help there. I was so fricking upset when that happened. I mean, I dont expect it to be even 50% books and schematics, but come on!
Subbed. Hope to see more like this. Honestly the lower levels of Lucky Looter could be tweaked for early game stuff. Like changing from a percentage of loot bonus to finding loot in containers you wouldn't normally find them in. Like specific books in cupboards, or toolboxes. Maybe you could find ammo you use often in piles of garbage. Stuff that would change the early game into something that helps you into the mid game before you have access to a bunch of dukes. I get that we already have a book series to help with this sort of thing, but it would be a nice QoL change for you to drop a point into LL and start finding more value in overlooked containers.
Increadible that you spend the time and effort into doing this. I believe everyone out there who plays 7D for real will be grateful for this break-down of the looting system. Thanks again.
this is the content i look for and never find. you have yourself a thumbs up and a new subscriber! i really like how you were able to give all that info and keep the video short. so many youtubers want to make lesser content take half an hour to watch and while i am trying to skim past the BS i often miss what i clicked on the video to see.
For noobs: Yes, it is worth it but not on your first few days. Get your other perks up that help you progress into getting to iron/minibike first, set up a base and then when you start getting into higher levels (20-30+) try lucky looter! That's from my experience. It's all about getting that auger :)
Wow. Amazing video! Honestly this changes everything. I would rather have a purple wrench than a gray ratchet... Same can be Said about all tiers... I actually kind of noticed this. On my perception builds, I would often find higher tier, lower quality items. Problem: unless you have the stamina/mods/perks, mining with a gray steel tool is less effective than mining with a purple iron tool... So i almost never got a purple item, as i would have a higher tier item instead. Honestly, that is a handicap, as a purple shotgun with 4 mods is better than the orange auto shotgun i was getting instead... Great video.
Wow man love all the effort you put in. I've been thinking of testing it once too. But you did it way better than I could've done. Earned the sub. I always rush LL to 3. Then some easy 1 point stuff, and after that right to LL 5. Usually got it maxed around level 15. Always thought it had a great impact. Might try next wipe in A20 without LL till about GS60-70. And focus on completely different things early on. Thanks for the math! PS: love the hotbar :P
Holly crap, man! Wow, what an awesome job! Been looking for this for a while, not sure if I should invest in Lucky Looter perk. Thank you so much for clearing this out for me, best of luck to you and your chanell, definitely got yourself a new sub!
I came to the same conclusion after many hours of play. Leave it at level 3 until game stage 55 then grind it hard with glasses and eye kandy on some nice POI's the smaller Shotgun Messiahs POI's for example. The overall progression in the game is excellent with 64 hordes. You should do an analysis of loot bag drops on horde night. It seems that direct kills have a better chance of loot drops, than counter measure kills, or molotovs, or let's say that each kill device must have some impact on loot drops from horde night z's. My empathy for the time and frustration it must have taken to go through all of this analysis.
hey! i just started replaying the game and i was on youtube for new tips and tricks. Started searching for the YT recommendation and was just finding suuuper old videos. Then i decided to search by date of upload, and i found you! 15 subs 20 views and the best explanation i found yet! all i gotta say is keep going! i encourage you greatly! now your at 16 subs :)
@@GunsNerdsandSteel i also referred you to my team of friends. you'll surely have a couple of new subscribers soon! keep making tips & tricks videos like this one! :)
Your video reminds me of how I got started watching Vedui42. He would perform some testing in some of his sandbox worlds, but I do not recall him going into such depth. You laid out your initial setup. You explained your process. You analysed your results. It is the perfect application of the scientific method. In some ways, you did what I was hoping he would do by overlaying graphs after the fact during his post production. Anecdotally, JaWoodle has noticed some of the same things during his different series, but he never went to this extreme with the verification. I was mulling this over today, when I watched a new episode by JaWoodle. Is there a database available with a breakdown of all the blocks that are used in the construction and the layout of a POI? Now, I am not saying that we need to know whether something is wooden, concrete, or metal. What I am suggesting is something like the number of pallets of cobble stone, cement mix, and stone; the number of 'potentially' lootable bookshelves, cabinets, and garbage piles; the number and variety of different types of loot chest. Since I cannot play the game, it would be difficult for me to perform this type of analysis. (My laptop cannot support even the lowest graphic settings.) I might take it further by 'slicing' the building apart and photographing it from above. I would remove the roof and every floor, one at a time, until the basement or underground bunker is reached. Depending on the number of POIs that are currently available in vanilla (I would exclude mods for the moment), it would take a long time to do. I might need to subscribe to this channel, if the rest of the content is up to this level of detail. Well done.
Thank you for taking the time to write this, I have a couple of other videos that are similar in essence to this one, most notably the horde night explained and the bartering system tutorial. I'm not sure if it's possible to quantify the number of materials per POI but I will look into this. If you check out some of my other videos and I end up earning your subscription, do let me know 👍
Very methodical analysis. Most of game mechanics analyses i watch on you tube are lacking, and/or stating something like"rain is wet" . Not this one. I hope you will make more of them.
I don't think you tested buried supplies (buried treasure quest), etc. Maybe you can test some of this again with eye kandy, +5 goggles and maximum lucky looter for maximum luck? The faster looting is nice with a few points in lucky looter, if anything. It's unfortunate luck is virtually useless at early and even mid game. Good video. It needed to be done. Been wondering about this for awhile now. Thanks.
@@chrishubbard64 Not sure what "that" is. Which skill? Treasure Hunter only increases the abundance/quantity of the loot. For the extra luck, we could just extrapolate out because it's essentially a multiplier of gamestage. But there were a couple of things I was curious about he didn't seem to test in this video. There's the buried supplies from jobs you get from a trader, and there's buried treasure from treasure maps.
I think this game is really generous with loot and items, if you add up everything - Lucky Looting skill, the video already gave us inside into this! -Eye Candy (Food), Can be bought at the vending machines and also buffes for like 4 min. the looting stat. -Looting goggles, at max rate give you a +5% loot bonus! -Lucky Looting Book series, you find more dukes,medicin,ammo,resources, etc and the 8th extra ability is that enemys have a higher chance of dropping a loot bag. When I play the game I instantly from start on lvl. Lucky Looting to max. and then I do other skills.
Subscribed when I understood how hardcore geeky you are. That was an insane amount of work... that I hope you keep up with in a20 (due in about a week). Thank you for your service!
The biggest difference that I perceive Lucky Looter is doing is not what I find but where I find it. Without any points in it I'm hard to find schematics in other places than bookshelves, high quality boxes and bags, etc. But with 2-3 points in Lucky Looter I start finding them in trashcans and other low quality places.
The faster looting is interesting, but the bonus from lucky looter is abysmally bad. Take it for faster looting only. Use looting goggles and eye candy because they don't cost points, but if you're taking lucky looter for 'better' loot, you're wasting points. If you want better stuff, like REALLY better stuff, books, guns, armor, turrets, ammo, crucibles, etc. take Better Barter. With Better Barter (plus the double-secret-stash trick using nerdy glasses at BB3+), and some cleverness in how you sell items, you'll have infinite dukes and gear FAR beyond your GS.
Thank you for going through all this. It confirms what I suspected--it has practically no difference at early levels. The lucky goggles/eye kandy are worth it to use, but the skill points are better spent elsewhere.
I beleive this all kinda changed with A20 and the "loot stage" that was added, but iunno if it has done so again, or been tweaked for A21, so I did a quick test myself by backing up my save file prior to opening an air drop, since air drop loots can be relatively predictable (based on bundle type). GIven that most bundles (farm, book, mods) would likely be less helpful of reaching any conclusion due to their content, I cycled through until I got the machine gun bundle to drop with Lucky Looter 0, 1 and 2. (I only had 2 points to spent available at the time) with the contents of each pretty much being the same (1 mag bundle, 1 machine gun bundle, 80 ammo, either some food or water,) except for the following: At LL0 (loot stage 28) - the Pipe Machine Gun was Tier 3. At LL1 (loot stage 30) - n/a At LL2 (loot stage 31) - the Pipe Machine Gun was Tier 5, the food was slightly higher tier. Unfortunately, out of the 100 or so attempts, I never got the machine gun bundle to drop on LL1. I am not sure whether this somehow boosted the preference for other bundles (since I did see a lot more of specific tool drops at LL1) or whether I was just (ironically) unlucky - and I do not have the kind of patience required to keep going indefinately until the machine gun bundle would finally drop. However, I did notice that for the other drops which included weapon, or tools the quality of those also increased, so chances are the LL1 machine gun would have been a Teir 4. I also checked the armor bundle drop, but there was no change between Lucky Looter ranks, they were alwasy tier 3. It would be interesting to see the results of a much larger scale test, with all 5 tiers.
I do 3 into lucky looter right away and than leave my spawn town on day 1 for a different one and I seem to find the schematics for the work benches right away . Maybe just fluke
So short answer is yes, get it whenever and then it will passivelly help you in the background. Then forget it with the elixir if you want the points back.
Before you could get better quality without the loot speed, loot speed always felt like a waste of points, its no surprise they force you to waste points now. Fun pimps started with a great idea and slowly turned it into a great game, then they started ruining it with bullet sponges and inconsistent skill trees.
That’s cause they copy every thing they are playing atm. Started out as Minecraft, then they came into their own which was the best time, then they switched to doing things fallout has done. You see why they take forever now, they don’t have a roadmap anymore. They insist on revamping their damn system every alpha.
I'll hesitate to say lucky looter is less valuable early game, but only on the grounds of getting those points locked in early, when level ups are a dime a dozen and you can spare a couple points, cause you're gonna get a couple more an hour down the road. Burning my first 4 points from the intro quests and doing that? maybe not, cause other perks are more immediately useful. As I'm leveling up more and getting guns and ammo? yeah, for sure, cause now I have a pistol and a shotgun and can more easily go on a loot run where those looter perks are immediately useful. Either way, fantastic analysis.
Yeah this seems to more or less match up with other channels researching this. There are really only two or three points where you might notice a benefit, and thats when it boosts you to the next tier and at end game when it gets you higher quality end game loot. So its briefly useful for those in between tiers levels then useful again after you are max tier and want better quality loot. I guess I wont bother spending points on it till I have most of the important stuff already covered. Maybe even take it into account when its time to use fergittin elixir to readjust my point distribution. After all, the points you take to make leveling up easier might not always be the points you want end game. As an example, you might not want the points to unlock vehicle schematics if you already have all of them built and in storage. Or maybe you didnt want to put points into making hunting easier now that you have so much food its overflowing the storage crate. Or maybe you decided that maxxing out pack mule wasnt such a good idea after all. :p
here is something ive noticed in my games 1. LL will at higher game lvl increase your chance to find improved lvl 6 gear. i.e. extra points in armor durability melee damage block damage etc etc.
Interesting. You altered your speech pattern to be faster or edited it together quicker with less gaps of air in between phrases. There is such a difference in storytelling comparing this to your modern videos. You've come quite a far way in the last year my man! Love the videos, always find something new about the game when I watch.
Wow this was eye opening and very thorough! I wish I'd found this video sooner cause I instinctively maxed out lucky looter as a beginner 😅 Thanks for making this video
good video. i was kinda planning to make test of lucky looter candy by backing up my save and looting same box with and without using that candy. never did that, perhaps i just care not enough. in overall i don't think, that lucky looter is important perk. at early game stage there is mutch more important perks to get and at higher game stage it is not important anymore - you allready have everything :)
There is another point that speaks for lucky looter that is kinda hidden. If you play in a group, you can successfully argue that you need to be one to open important loot sources due to your skill. This is good if you 1) Want to get better loot for yourself (Shame on you) and if you 2) Are good with logistics and know what to pick and what to leave, as well as looking for specific stuff for your friends. Tho it puts you into the situation that you always kinda have to come with them if they go for quests ect. Lucky Looter and high int skills goes well for those reasons.
Seems like if you have a large enough group playing together, having a Lucky Looter early-mid game might not be bad just due to sheer volume of things they can open. All they would need to do is drop some boxes in a 'safe' no respawn point or off whatever soon to respawn point then while everyone else is cleaning the place, they just faceroll through looting everything, store it in the 'safe' boxes and then people can help ferry the loot home when all is said and done. On the same note, said person could also take pack mule perks early game for quicker transport of loot until pocket mods are up to snuff. Id assume (as iv never played with a group or large group) that getting a few respec pots wouldnt be too big to drop the pack points (though those are under strength compared to the perception for looter)
Thanks for all the hard work. Seems like the perk is worth only really for faster looting or to get to the next tier, an effect of perhaps dubious value since when you only just reach a tier, the quality of items are garbage. The lack of impact early game is really important since that's when you're hurting for skillpoints most. Cheers for the epic deep dive.
By far the best loot analysis video for 7 days I have ever seen. Looking forward to you spending another 12 hours in Alpha 20. Get it out early and plug it on reddit and you'll get a ton of subs.
This was really interesting to see. Awesome work! You put a lot of work into this. It seems Lucky Looter is a poor choice for low game stage players atm.
Considering the skill is % based, it really is a no brainer that it isn't worth while until higher game stage. The real question is since it sees the most effective use at later gamestage is it worth it even then? At higher game stage you are higher level which means it takes longer to level up to get those points. Also at late game, if you are looting (in terms of what lucky looter effects) then chances are you are really just looking for quality 6 items with good stats, because it isn't hard to just craft the quality 5 ones a few times to get good stat rolls. So I think the real question is, how much of and effect does it have on getting more quality 6 items versus anything else? Especially when you consider that eye kandy already acts essentially like a temporary lvl 2 lucky looter.
Hopefully the loot system will be less linear in A20. They should add a small chance to get a "lucky find" that gives you an item of the next item tier. The "lucky find" could be upgraded with the lucky looter perk to make it more worth spending points in the early game.
I always sunk my first points into it. And always got level three shotguns and plenty of ammo. Never had to craft a bow and arrow or use melee past the second day.
GREAT!! video, do you know if its still valid data in A20? Also, how does loot work in COOP? is the contents determined when the lootable object is spawned in? Or is it when it is opened and contents revealed? meaning the player with the highest GS should do all the looting?
@@GunsNerdsandSteel I did as much as Im absorbing all your knowleage about the game movie after movie! Really thank you for your content :3 PS.: Vanguard Base is sick! :D
Thanks for the awesome analasys. Very underwhelming results. Its like, grind first have fun very much later... but by then its already endgame and no point to loot gear which you can already craft yourself.
Yea, early game LL is more useful for loot speed than actually for loot quality or amount. I only toss a point in here an there if I have nothing else I feel really pushed to get atm. I do prefer the lucky goggles to the other glasses types tho.
A very good analysis, however you might want to test another 12 hours and console yourself repair kits to repair all items before selling them. I think you will be amazed at the results. After game stage 45, IMHO, repair kits become FTW!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel that was my limited experience. Mid game repair kits became the cheapest Dukes booster. I seem to get a lot more higher tier but barely functional items. The resale was very low unless I repaired
@@grimmliberty7447 Not sure you're aware but adding mods to armour and weapon/tools can dramatically increase value as well on top of repairing - even wrenches can be modded from the hotbar
Well this will affect my most recent playthrough. I usually spec hard into strength, then start spreading out my points between fortitude and perception, then go hard into agility.... I think this time I'll skip perception.
See I can vouch for the game being abit random. Certain times I immediately dump my first 3 perk points into lucky looter and perception. Sometimes I'll get an auger on like day 4 with a bike chassis schem and a workbench schem. Other times I won't dump points into it at all and go strictly melee damage and I'll still get late game schems like the rachet or a pump shotgun. I guess it all depends on how generous the RNG is feeling that day
lucky looter isnt a big + for weapons and some tools, but it will get u more likely or more easy to find a wrench,hammer so u can craft a workbench really early
The best use i have for lucky looter is just for that chance at an early pistol you can find in the toilets as the pistols are usefull at all stages of the game
The more important part of Lucky Looter to me is looting speed. A 20% speed bonus opening containers per level is worth it to me all on its own. I notice *NOBODY* ever comments on this in any analysis of Lucky Looter.
I'd say Lucky Looter is worth it if you get a blueprint for repair kits early on. Repair kits are generally cheap to make and when used on those low quality rare items, the items can go for several hundred to over a thousand in ducats.
@@GunsNerdsandSteel : Repairing is a good way and quick way to get perk books, recipes, schematic, etc without all the grinding going out into the field. Just buy from the various traders including their hidden stash.
Many thanks for so much work. I always wanted to know that. I played 7DtD a lot and only the rewards from the trader quest are good (i think you can get lv 6 weapons as a reward but i am not 100 % sure :). I highly recommend to put perks into that To loot a level 6 weapon you must have a lot of luck. But i dont like that a good lv 5 weapon can make more damage then a bad level 6. I was also disappointed about the weapons you can buy at the trader and the perks about that. Have a nice time and greetings from germany (sorry for my english :) Wizzard Rincewind
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Ah that makes a lot more sense
Very handy information to know for vanilla!
Darkness Falls has a couple of Lucky Looter type skills, so surely more would have to be better :)
but thats only for solo player??
Dawg i think your loot was scuffed because you were max lucky looter and looting hardend crates on day 1
Kind of crummy that the loot changes so drastically based on level etc. It was always exciting to find an auger or chainsaw day 1 off a lumberjack or garage storage
Thank you,
Been trying to see what do all the different loot related stats and buffs do for quite a while now.
I appreciate the time you took to hand analyze it.
You deserve much more recognition.
Glad I could help
*did\ bf
I'm currently playing in a server with a few friends. I was pretty new and went all into lucky looter. When a veteran friend and I were raiding a shotgun messiah factory he was absolutely raving about how I was finding schematics, mods and weapons in the trash alone. Made me feel good
The friend I play with never loots Vehicles (afraid of the Alarm bringing a Horde) or Trash. I open it all.
This is very educational. Not many youtuber done this type of analysis.
Thanks! More to come :)
Agreed great work here. This is the video that got me to subscribe
Wow...that was a TON of hard work. I know because I've done my own testing. A big thanks and appreciation for what you've done. Quality reference content for the community!
Well, that's the best testing of this i have seen. I had been REALLY wanting to know if using looting bonuses affected books. No more wasting eye kandy on a crack a book for me!
Yeah nothing more obnoxious than looting like 50 book loots and getting paper from like 40 of them. Good to know that eyecandy wont really help there. I was so fricking upset when that happened. I mean, I dont expect it to be even 50% books and schematics, but come on!
Subbed. Hope to see more like this. Honestly the lower levels of Lucky Looter could be tweaked for early game stuff. Like changing from a percentage of loot bonus to finding loot in containers you wouldn't normally find them in. Like specific books in cupboards, or toolboxes. Maybe you could find ammo you use often in piles of garbage. Stuff that would change the early game into something that helps you into the mid game before you have access to a bunch of dukes. I get that we already have a book series to help with this sort of thing, but it would be a nice QoL change for you to drop a point into LL and start finding more value in overlooked containers.
Agreed, it could use some tweaking for early game.viability
After looking at some graphs I'd say to go for 5 points around character level 50 and you'd likely be into stage 4 10-20 levels quicker
Great work mate. Been hoping someone would do this. Cheers for putting the hard yards in.
No problem 👍
in my experience: always worth it, I found myself getting more ammo, food, meds and mats from loot sources than without
Increadible that you spend the time and effort into doing this. I believe everyone out there who plays 7D for real will be grateful for this break-down of the looting system. Thanks again.
My pleasure!
Wow man! This was a thorough analysis 👍 I am impressed 😊 I can now confidently say that overall it is not worth to skill into lucky looter 😂
I always used to take a point in lucky looter on day one until I did this
Man, for this video you should earn automatu sub and like, thanks you for your effort
this is the content i look for and never find. you have yourself a thumbs up and a new subscriber! i really like how you were able to give all that info and keep the video short. so many youtubers want to make lesser content take half an hour to watch and while i am trying to skim past the BS i often miss what i clicked on the video to see.
Down and dirty, that's my style!
I see you're a trader Jen man as well. *tips hat*
a man of culture
Extremely valuable insight. Glad you did all the leg work for us. Love your videos bro.
That was a genuinely interesting and excellent video, more people should watch this. :o)
Glad you enjoyed it!
For noobs: Yes, it is worth it but not on your first few days. Get your other perks up that help you progress into getting to iron/minibike first, set up a base and then when you start getting into higher levels (20-30+) try lucky looter!
That's from my experience. It's all about getting that auger :)
Wow. Amazing video!
Honestly this changes everything.
I would rather have a purple wrench than a gray ratchet...
Same can be Said about all tiers...
I actually kind of noticed this.
On my perception builds, I would often find higher tier, lower quality items. Problem: unless you have the stamina/mods/perks, mining with a gray steel tool is less effective than mining with a purple iron tool...
So i almost never got a purple item, as i would have a higher tier item instead. Honestly, that is a handicap, as a purple shotgun with 4 mods is better than the orange auto shotgun i was getting instead...
Great video.
Yes great examples here! In my opinion it's great to spec into LL for the late game but it's probably not going to help much in the early to mid game
Wow man love all the effort you put in. I've been thinking of testing it once too. But you did it way better than I could've done.
Earned the sub.
I always rush LL to 3. Then some easy 1 point stuff, and after that right to LL 5. Usually got it maxed around level 15. Always thought it had a great impact. Might try next wipe in A20 without LL till about GS60-70. And focus on completely different things early on. Thanks for the math!
PS: love the hotbar :P
Holly crap, man! Wow, what an awesome job! Been looking for this for a while, not sure if I should invest in Lucky Looter perk. Thank you so much for clearing this out for me, best of luck to you and your chanell, definitely got yourself a new sub!
I came to the same conclusion after many hours of play. Leave it at level 3 until game stage 55 then grind it hard with glasses and eye kandy on some nice POI's
the smaller Shotgun Messiahs POI's for example. The overall progression in the game is excellent with 64 hordes. You should do an analysis of loot bag drops on horde night.
It seems that direct kills have a better chance of loot drops, than counter measure kills, or molotovs, or let's say that each kill device must have some impact on loot drops
from horde night z's. My empathy for the time and frustration it must have taken to go through all of this analysis.
hey! i just started replaying the game and i was on youtube for new tips and tricks.
Started searching for the YT recommendation and was just finding suuuper old videos.
Then i decided to search by date of upload, and i found you! 15 subs 20 views and the best explanation i found yet!
all i gotta say is keep going! i encourage you greatly! now your at 16 subs :)
Thank for taking the time to write this, I'm glad I could help and feedback definitely keeps me motivated!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel i also referred you to my team of friends. you'll surely have a couple of new subscribers soon! keep making tips & tricks videos like this one! :)
Your video reminds me of how I got started watching Vedui42. He would perform some testing in some of his sandbox worlds, but I do not recall him going into such depth. You laid out your initial setup. You explained your process. You analysed your results. It is the perfect application of the scientific method. In some ways, you did what I was hoping he would do by overlaying graphs after the fact during his post production.
Anecdotally, JaWoodle has noticed some of the same things during his different series, but he never went to this extreme with the verification.
I was mulling this over today, when I watched a new episode by JaWoodle. Is there a database available with a breakdown of all the blocks that are used in the construction and the layout of a POI? Now, I am not saying that we need to know whether something is wooden, concrete, or metal. What I am suggesting is something like the number of pallets of cobble stone, cement mix, and stone; the number of 'potentially' lootable bookshelves, cabinets, and garbage piles; the number and variety of different types of loot chest. Since I cannot play the game, it would be difficult for me to perform this type of analysis. (My laptop cannot support even the lowest graphic settings.)
I might take it further by 'slicing' the building apart and photographing it from above. I would remove the roof and every floor, one at a time, until the basement or underground bunker is reached. Depending on the number of POIs that are currently available in vanilla (I would exclude mods for the moment), it would take a long time to do.
I might need to subscribe to this channel, if the rest of the content is up to this level of detail. Well done.
Thank you for taking the time to write this, I have a couple of other videos that are similar in essence to this one, most notably the horde night explained and the bartering system tutorial. I'm not sure if it's possible to quantify the number of materials per POI but I will look into this.
If you check out some of my other videos and I end up earning your subscription, do let me know 👍
Very methodical analysis. Most of game mechanics analyses i watch on you tube are lacking, and/or stating something like"rain is wet" . Not this one. I hope you will make more of them.
More content is in the works!
hm... excellent! That's some very good information and analysis. Appreciate the time it took to conduct the experiment as well. Thanks!
Lots of trial and error but also pretty fun!
Finally a creator who "DOESN`T" scream the entire time. Well made, new sub and like.
Man thanks for this! I used to always push LL first to 5 after some 1-hit wonders. Now I know exactly how it works and when to start focusing in it.
thanks to this video i have a fundamental understanding of how looting in this game works
I'll be sure to make an updated vid if anything changes post alpha 20
This is great work. We need more content like this. No one takes the time to do these kinda test. Subscribed!
More to come!
I don't think you tested buried supplies (buried treasure quest), etc. Maybe you can test some of this again with eye kandy, +5 goggles and maximum lucky looter for maximum luck?
The faster looting is nice with a few points in lucky looter, if anything. It's unfortunate luck is virtually useless at early and even mid game.
Good video. It needed to be done. Been wondering about this for awhile now. Thanks.
I mean, there is already a skill that grants bonuses to that, so it might be odd if lucky looter stacked.
@@chrishubbard64 Not sure what "that" is. Which skill? Treasure Hunter only increases the abundance/quantity of the loot.
For the extra luck, we could just extrapolate out because it's essentially a multiplier of gamestage. But there were a couple of things I was curious about he didn't seem to test in this video. There's the buried supplies from jobs you get from a trader, and there's buried treasure from treasure maps.
Watched a few of your vids and finally subscribed. You definitely deserve more subscribers because your content is great. Keep it up man!
Take my upvote for the time put into this and saving us time ;p
I think this game is really generous with loot and items, if you add up everything
- Lucky Looting skill, the video already gave us inside into this!
-Eye Candy (Food), Can be bought at the vending machines and also buffes for like 4 min. the looting stat.
-Looting goggles, at max rate give you a +5% loot bonus!
-Lucky Looting Book series, you find more dukes,medicin,ammo,resources, etc and the 8th extra ability is that enemys
have a higher chance of dropping a loot bag.
When I play the game I instantly from start on lvl. Lucky Looting to max. and then I do other skills.
Just an FYI but I have and updated looting video for Alpha 20
Subscribed when I understood how hardcore geeky you are. That was an insane amount of work... that I hope you keep up with in a20 (due in about a week). Thank you for your service!
Thanks, much appreciated 🍻
Great video man. 10/10 felt like watching a peer review article on lucky looter lol
I appreciate that!
The biggest difference that I perceive Lucky Looter is doing is not what I find but where I find it. Without any points in it I'm hard to find schematics in other places than bookshelves, high quality boxes and bags, etc. But with 2-3 points in Lucky Looter I start finding them in trashcans and other low quality places.
this is ultra nerdy and i like it
The faster looting is interesting, but the bonus from lucky looter is abysmally bad. Take it for faster looting only.
Use looting goggles and eye candy because they don't cost points, but if you're taking lucky looter for 'better' loot, you're wasting points.
If you want better stuff, like REALLY better stuff, books, guns, armor, turrets, ammo, crucibles, etc. take Better Barter.
With Better Barter (plus the double-secret-stash trick using nerdy glasses at BB3+), and some cleverness in how you sell items, you'll have infinite dukes and gear FAR beyond your GS.
Thank you for going through all this. It confirms what I suspected--it has practically no difference at early levels. The lucky goggles/eye kandy are worth it to use, but the skill points are better spent elsewhere.
My advice will always be to go into better barter, but that may be subject to change in Alpha 20
I beleive this all kinda changed with A20 and the "loot stage" that was added, but iunno if it has done so again, or been tweaked for A21, so I did a quick test myself by backing up my save file prior to opening an air drop, since air drop loots can be relatively predictable (based on bundle type).
GIven that most bundles (farm, book, mods) would likely be less helpful of reaching any conclusion due to their content, I cycled through until I got the machine gun bundle to drop with Lucky Looter 0, 1 and 2. (I only had 2 points to spent available at the time) with the contents of each pretty much being the same (1 mag bundle, 1 machine gun bundle, 80 ammo, either some food or water,) except for the following:
At LL0 (loot stage 28) - the Pipe Machine Gun was Tier 3.
At LL1 (loot stage 30) - n/a
At LL2 (loot stage 31) - the Pipe Machine Gun was Tier 5, the food was slightly higher tier.
Unfortunately, out of the 100 or so attempts, I never got the machine gun bundle to drop on LL1. I am not sure whether this somehow boosted the preference for other bundles (since I did see a lot more of specific tool drops at LL1) or whether I was just (ironically) unlucky - and I do not have the kind of patience required to keep going indefinately until the machine gun bundle would finally drop.
However, I did notice that for the other drops which included weapon, or tools the quality of those also increased, so chances are the LL1 machine gun would have been a Teir 4. I also checked the armor bundle drop, but there was no change between Lucky Looter ranks, they were alwasy tier 3.
It would be interesting to see the results of a much larger scale test, with all 5 tiers.
I do 3 into lucky looter right away and than leave my spawn town on day 1 for a different one and I seem to find the schematics for the work benches right away . Maybe just fluke
Another great video. Still confused but I just do what you said and put points in mid to end game.
So short answer is yes, get it whenever and then it will passivelly help you in the background. Then forget it with the elixir if you want the points back.
Before you could get better quality without the loot speed, loot speed always felt like a waste of points, its no surprise they force you to waste points now.
Fun pimps started with a great idea and slowly turned it into a great game, then they started ruining it with bullet sponges and inconsistent skill trees.
That’s cause they copy every thing they are playing atm. Started out as Minecraft, then they came into their own which was the best time, then they switched to doing things fallout has done. You see why they take forever now, they don’t have a roadmap anymore. They insist on revamping their damn system every alpha.
@@k.t.1641 remember the 7x7 craft menu
I liked the way the recipes actually looked like the item but for sure it did not need a crafting grid
Excellent analysis and scientific approach, very well done!
Thank you kindly!
This is an amazing amount of effort. Keep it up!
Thanks, will do!
I'll hesitate to say lucky looter is less valuable early game, but only on the grounds of getting those points locked in early, when level ups are a dime a dozen and you can spare a couple points, cause you're gonna get a couple more an hour down the road. Burning my first 4 points from the intro quests and doing that? maybe not, cause other perks are more immediately useful. As I'm leveling up more and getting guns and ammo? yeah, for sure, cause now I have a pistol and a shotgun and can more easily go on a loot run where those looter perks are immediately useful. Either way, fantastic analysis.
such a high quality analysis. Props to you. Subbed
Thanks and welcome!
Super thorough. Well done, bro!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Very very interesting video, great job :) ! I love your mindset !
Thanks! 🍻
Yeah this seems to more or less match up with other channels researching this. There are really only two or three points where you might notice a benefit, and thats when it boosts you to the next tier and at end game when it gets you higher quality end game loot. So its briefly useful for those in between tiers levels then useful again after you are max tier and want better quality loot. I guess I wont bother spending points on it till I have most of the important stuff already covered. Maybe even take it into account when its time to use fergittin elixir to readjust my point distribution. After all, the points you take to make leveling up easier might not always be the points you want end game. As an example, you might not want the points to unlock vehicle schematics if you already have all of them built and in storage. Or maybe you didnt want to put points into making hunting easier now that you have so much food its overflowing the storage crate. Or maybe you decided that maxxing out pack mule wasnt such a good idea after all. :p
here is something ive noticed in my games
1. LL will at higher game lvl increase your chance to find improved lvl 6 gear. i.e. extra points in armor durability melee damage block damage etc etc.
Interesting, I'll see if I can observe the same thing!
Interesting. You altered your speech pattern to be faster or edited it together quicker with less gaps of air in between phrases. There is such a difference in storytelling comparing this to your modern videos. You've come quite a far way in the last year my man! Love the videos, always find something new about the game when I watch.
Wow this was eye opening and very thorough! I wish I'd found this video sooner cause I instinctively maxed out lucky looter as a beginner 😅 Thanks for making this video
Glad I could help!
Great video! love the length you went to in order to fully test this out on the game! Can't wait to see more :)
More to come!
I see your rocking sean's beard.
@@GunsNerdsandSteel Nice I hope so :) It would be interesting to see if the same applies to other statistics in game :P
@@swskitso I'm not sure who Sean is :P
good video. i was kinda planning to make test of lucky looter candy by backing up my save and looting same box with and without using that candy. never did that, perhaps i just care not enough. in overall i don't think, that lucky looter is important perk. at early game stage there is mutch more important perks to get and at higher game stage it is not important anymore - you allready have everything :)
There is another point that speaks for lucky looter that is kinda hidden.
If you play in a group, you can successfully argue that you need to be one to open important loot sources due to your skill.
This is good if you 1) Want to get better loot for yourself (Shame on you) and if you 2) Are good with logistics and know what to pick and what to leave, as well as looking for specific stuff for your friends.
Tho it puts you into the situation that you always kinda have to come with them if they go for quests ect.
Lucky Looter and high int skills goes well for those reasons.
Seems like if you have a large enough group playing together, having a Lucky Looter early-mid game might not be bad just due to sheer volume of things they can open. All they would need to do is drop some boxes in a 'safe' no respawn point or off whatever soon to respawn point then while everyone else is cleaning the place, they just faceroll through looting everything, store it in the 'safe' boxes and then people can help ferry the loot home when all is said and done.
On the same note, said person could also take pack mule perks early game for quicker transport of loot until pocket mods are up to snuff. Id assume (as iv never played with a group or large group) that getting a few respec pots wouldnt be too big to drop the pack points (though those are under strength compared to the perception for looter)
If I were in an organized group, one person would be designated for better barter and the other lucky looter
That was some dedication!! xD
Great video and information, thanks for all the time and effort you put into this for us!
This video is next up on the remake schedule 😂
Thanks for all the hard work. Seems like the perk is worth only really for faster looting or to get to the next tier, an effect of perhaps dubious value since when you only just reach a tier, the quality of items are garbage. The lack of impact early game is really important since that's when you're hurting for skillpoints most. Cheers for the epic deep dive.
I agree 100%
By far the best loot analysis video for 7 days I have ever seen. Looking forward to you spending another 12 hours in Alpha 20. Get it out early and plug it on reddit and you'll get a ton of subs.
I've run into issues posting videos on reddit before where the automod deletes my posts, so I gave up. Any idea how to get that to work?
looting is the way to ALL the brass you need for bullets :D just sell everything!
well, sounds like you need to invest in Better Barter ;)
Subbed for the Effort. Damn, play on playa
This was really interesting to see. Awesome work! You put a lot of work into this. It seems Lucky Looter is a poor choice for low game stage players atm.
Glad you enjoyed it!
*Sees the video, gets dissapointed a bit*
Oh well...
*messes with the xml files and pump those rookie numbers up*
alrighty!!!!
Thanks for this analysis... great job also nice explanation! 😌
Phenomenal quality video, i'm a little late to the party but you earned my like and sub lol
Nice, quite a compliment because this was my 11th video I ever made and I had like less than 50 subs when I made it 😂
Math is hard😲😲😲😲 great job it's all so wacky R&J
Yeah it can be so random at times!
Thanks for putting in the work to bring us this info 👍
Great video and analysis you get my sub thanks. If possible can you make a video on guides to level up and how to improve gamestage early.
I'll see what I can come up with!
That really was awesome work!
Mmmm data. Love me some objective analysis, specially when applied to some of my favorite games.
Considering the skill is % based, it really is a no brainer that it isn't worth while until higher game stage. The real question is since it sees the most effective use at later gamestage is it worth it even then?
At higher game stage you are higher level which means it takes longer to level up to get those points. Also at late game, if you are looting (in terms of what lucky looter effects) then chances are you are really just looking for quality 6 items with good stats, because it isn't hard to just craft the quality 5 ones a few times to get good stat rolls. So I think the real question is, how much of and effect does it have on getting more quality 6 items versus anything else?
Especially when you consider that eye kandy already acts essentially like a temporary lvl 2 lucky looter.
Hopefully the loot system will be less linear in A20. They should add a small chance to get a "lucky find" that gives you an item of the next item tier. The "lucky find" could be upgraded with the lucky looter perk to make it more worth spending points in the early game.
I agree, nothing worse than risking life and limb on day three to get to some good loot only to find tier 2-3 wooden bows.
I always sunk my first points into it. And always got level three shotguns and plenty of ammo. Never had to craft a bow and arrow or use melee past the second day.
You have to be level 12 before you can find a quality three double barrel, so that's a pretty good first day...
Get every lucky looter up to lvl3, along with the loot goggles, I always find green late game items on the first 14 days.
GREAT!! video, do you know if its still valid data in A20?
Also, how does loot work in COOP?
is the contents determined when the lootable object is spawned in?
Or is it when it is opened and contents revealed? meaning the player with the highest GS should do all the looting?
Wow. You took a lot of time on this. Kudos
Material worth of subbing! Nice work :)
Nice, glad you like it!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel I did as much as Im absorbing all your knowleage about the game movie after movie! Really thank you for your content :3
PS.: Vanguard Base is sick! :D
gotta say thanks for the hard work on this!!!
You bet!
Thanks for the awesome analasys. Very underwhelming results. Its like, grind first have fun very much later... but by then its already endgame and no point to loot gear which you can already craft yourself.
Well said!
Yea, early game LL is more useful for loot speed than actually for loot quality or amount. I only toss a point in here an there if I have nothing else I feel really pushed to get atm. I do prefer the lucky goggles to the other glasses types tho.
A very good analysis, however you might want to test another 12 hours and console yourself repair kits to repair all items before selling them. I think you will be amazed at the results.
After game stage 45, IMHO, repair kits become FTW!
Great tip, this might change the $ value pretty dramatically
@@GunsNerdsandSteel that was my limited experience. Mid game repair kits became the cheapest Dukes booster. I seem to get a lot more higher tier but barely functional items. The resale was very low unless I repaired
@@grimmliberty7447 Not sure you're aware but adding mods to armour and weapon/tools can dramatically increase value as well on top of repairing - even wrenches can be modded from the hotbar
Very clear, nice video.
Glad you liked it
Very well done!
Glad you liked it!
This is an excellent analysis! Thank you.
Well this will affect my most recent playthrough. I usually spec hard into strength, then start spreading out my points between fortitude and perception, then go hard into agility.... I think this time I'll skip perception.
See I can vouch for the game being abit random. Certain times I immediately dump my first 3 perk points into lucky looter and perception. Sometimes I'll get an auger on like day 4 with a bike chassis schem and a workbench schem. Other times I won't dump points into it at all and go strictly melee damage and I'll still get late game schems like the rachet or a pump shotgun. I guess it all depends on how generous the RNG is feeling that day
cool, thanks :)
very thorough and systemical 👍
Very well done. Hats off to you sir
Thanks for such a great breakdown!
excellent analysis for any type of video.
Glad you liked it
How does lucky looter affect the quantity of raw resources? like finding polymer or brass?
lucky looter isnt a big + for weapons and some tools, but it will get u more likely or more easy to find a wrench,hammer so u can craft a workbench really early
The best use i have for lucky looter is just for that chance at an early pistol you can find in the toilets as the pistols are usefull at all stages of the game
You’re a legend
The more important part of Lucky Looter to me is looting speed. A 20% speed bonus opening containers per level is worth it to me all on its own. I notice *NOBODY* ever comments on this in any analysis of Lucky Looter.
I commented on it 🥺
@@GunsNerdsandSteel My apologies then, I must have missed it.
I'd say Lucky Looter is worth it if you get a blueprint for repair kits early on. Repair kits are generally cheap to make and when used on those low quality rare items, the items can go for several hundred to over a thousand in ducats.
Repair kits do not require a blueprint, at least on PC version. But yes, repairs can really increase your sell price, good point!
@@GunsNerdsandSteel : Repairing is a good way and quick way to get perk books, recipes, schematic, etc without all the grinding going out into the field. Just buy from the various traders including their hidden stash.
Many thanks for so much work. I always wanted to know that.
I played 7DtD a lot and only the rewards from the trader quest are good (i think you can get lv 6 weapons as a reward but i am not 100 % sure :). I highly recommend to put perks into that
To loot a level 6 weapon you must have a lot of luck. But i dont like that a good lv 5 weapon can make more damage then a bad level 6.
I was also disappointed about the weapons you can buy at the trader and the perks about that.
Have a nice time and greetings from germany (sorry for my english :)
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